you cant judge islam by knowing 10 or even 100 muslims they are way to many sects and beliefs and practices,some based on islam yet are more to do with culture. Read the entire book to know Islam. Reading a passage from the quran isnt good enough either, you got to read an entire chapter and sometimes a collection of chapters to find an asnwer. all religions basically tell you more or less the same thing so i agree with you there.and most of them are mentioned in the quran, Its a fun book readit
Can't argue with these religionists. They do not operate on reason. Just turn your head and walk away from them, don't waste your time on them. They can not be helped. Like this Koran guy, they clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
Scientific method tells you to be prepared to be wrong. If someone has a argument that proves you wrong or if there's other evidence, then you are expected to accept that in a certain way. - I have not yet met a religious person who listened to arguments I had deeply enough to come up with an answer other then "it says so in the book" be that christian (or versions of it, e.g. Witnesses of Jehova) or muslim. I didn't get to discuss with a jew yet...
@zaeyim my information is secondary? what the heck does that mean? The clips I used are the same thing as quoting texts. What I read out loud was my written response, what's wrong with that.
Your response to my video is nothing but an ad hominem attack. basically you watched my video and called me a dumb dumb head. If I am wrong, tell me how I'm wrong. Calling me names doesn't do anything but make you look like a child who doesn't have an argument. I proved my point.
@zaeyim it's "you're no intellect, you're a joke!" not "your". also an Ellipsis has three dots, not four. in fact there is even a shortcut for an Ellipsis: "…" it's alt + colon on the keyboard. I'm 6 feet tall and all information is secondary. The clips were biased because they came from a biased source.
@TheEarthAbides man, its funny what i was watching 10 months back! haha YOUTUBE takes you places, agreed my sentence structuring or grammar isn't very meritorious but heck its just youtube not my thesis so i couldnt care less...and dude, its really all love you know... your happy believing what you want and makes sense to you ! good for you! and im sorry for saying what i said..and you have the right to have an opinion, so thats fine! i dont think its anyones job to prove anybody right or wrong!
@zaeyim yo, no worries. mind you - to say "your happy believing what you want " makes it seem like i am the one with the unwarrented belief system when i am just pointing out the gaping holes in yours / the guy in the video. his video really was filled with nonsense which when looked at objectively is almost laughable. my position requires no belief, just discipline.
@TheEarthAbides my belief is not what this joker talks about, and why are you even wasting your time on this guy man, id suggest you start a vlog pick up this book called Quran and practice your reasoning logic or what ever your discipline dictates, and post em.
@zaeyim i had 3 muslim friends who "explained" islam to me, i also read several passages form that book. the more you learn about it from an objective standpoint the more is sounds like any other religion out there, that being enshrined myths. Islam lacks honest criticism my guess because it is punishable by death! That might have something to do with people like this guy thinking his religion is based on logic & is scientifically accurate. it fails like all the rest. i tried to point that out.
@TheEarthAbides and i hope this ends now! im not really a religion guy but i do believe in God and i think you might have read the spoils of war or a passage from it i dont know where your getting the punishable by death bit but its states in the quran that there is NO compulsion to religion. and if you want to have a discussion just come on some webchat itl be easier and i might be able to shed some light or vice versa.
@MuslimahUnity Ali is making a claim that the Quran is actually the true religion, and he is making this bold assertion based on his self-proclaimed scientific background. Now, my response is to point out that he isn't being very scientific at all, and since there is actually no scientific truth to his claim that the Quran is actually written by a supernatural being, then it isn't any better then any other religion out there.
I remember looking at this exact Ummah films web vid over a year ago and it pissed me off royally. Not because the guy claimed he believed in such and such religion, but that he would have the audacity to claim himself a scientist and make the statements that he did. The most basic part of any science background is the ability to do legitimate research on a subject, which this guy did none of to make such ridiculous claims.
@Lobotaru yea that's what bugged me too. the audacity to argue from authority, but then to go ahead and make huge errors like that - and go unchallenged was a little much. another guy guilty of this is some joker named "dr. zakir naik". unbelievable really.
I don't know whether he's lying or just stupid, but there are scientific errors abound in the Quran. Some that are so ridiculous it makes you question why people believe this book to be true. For instance mountains are pegs that keep the earth from shaking. The traditional flat Earth theory, contradictions on the origin of humans, and to me the most ridiculous Donkeys and Horses being created by God so Humans could ride them.
secondly, there are contradictions, when ever these are pointed out believers hide behind a common excuse which is, "that's not what it means in arabic" even when native arabic speakers point it out. what difference would it make if there were no contradictions anyway? you still have splintered groups of Islam, there isn't 1 cohesive Islam. also, this scientific accuracy is also a load of bull. they don't even make for impressive coincidences. think critically
I dont see this as a Rebuttle? I'm sorry but you didn't really answer many of the questions you posed. Human's are imperfect by nature, imperfect implies errors. So unless the human race has somehow upped a level and has become perfect without errors, there is no such thing as a well edited book. Perfection is beyond us and Is possessed by the Lord who is perfect and therefor his words perfect. The quran.
you mentioned that the Quran is perfect, but like I said, this is subjective. how should we measure the quran then?
well, it can only be read by someone who understands a particular type of arabic so that's not really perfect is it. the book is interpreted in many different ways - how many different sects of Islam are there, all of whom interpret it differently. it contains falsities, condones beating women, gays etc.
Since you've made a claim, provide your proof if you are truthful, post these verses that advocate misinformation, oppression, lies, bigotry and murder.
"Or, who originates creation, Then repeats it, And who gives you sustenance From heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god Besides Allah? Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye Are telling the truth!"
also, check any news website for further evidence.
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why do you keep giving me quotes, like as if quoting that book makes any difference to anyone outside of the indoctrination- if you are to look at any of your quotes subjectively, you will see that they don't make a lick of difference to anything or anyone.
here:
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
I don't see anything of such in these verses. Care to pick and choose any of the verses provided in the video to prove your point? or is someone else's misconceptions and lack of understanding the source of your hate for Islam?
take whatever you would like out of its context, i'll put it back in, and please, out of respect, don't copy and paste the summarized and changed texts provided in the video. i understand you are not learned and in a stage of ignorance when it comes to Islam
how did i assume (islam?) is similar to christianity?
it's patently more violent and dogmatic than christianity for starters.
but i'm having trouble following what you want from me. if you are talking about my video i think i did a good job of proving that guy either didn't know what he was talking about, or he was being conniving and misleading people on purpose.
i used a biblical quote to illustrate to you how useless quote mining is.
another claim with no proof, show me specifically how it is more violent than Christianity.. and please back your last claim up with a reference from the text or tell me ahead of time that all you want to do is seem smarter on the comments of your youtube video
why don't u get straight to the points and facts instead of arguing about my 'useless quote mining' that are apparently so irrelevant to this video which carries the tag "Islam"
In other words all I'm saying is present a reference or two from the Qur'anic text that you believe advocate this "misinformation, oppression, lies, bigotry and murder " and give solid reasons for your opinion and i'll give mine. thats all
no one cares about useless insults over youtube, get to the point
misinformation = take any one of the so called "scientific miracles" from the quran. they are either wrong, or they are bent to appear as if they are accurate.
oppression = no other religion is allowed to proliferate in an islamic state. women are treated like property, and homosexuality is against the law.
lies = see the miracles, also, jews were turned into pigs & monkeys
bigotry = anti jew, unbeliever, homosexual, women etc
murder = stoning women, killing non believers & gays.
professor Keith Moore, wrote a book on embryology used worldwide.. please show me in his interpretation of the Qur'an's reference to detailed embryology (as a non muslim) where misinformation has been used.
He is the former Chair of anatomy and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
this Keith Moore stuff has been debunked many times over. what does the opinion of one scientist matter? besides, did Keith convert to Islam? negative.
all that stuff about scientific miracles is nonsense, easily refutable.
i live in Toronto, believe me, no one cares about that guy.
Your Lord revealed to the bees: "BUILD dwellings in the mountains and the trees, and also in the structures which men erect. Then EAT from every kind of fruit and TRAVEL the paths of your Lord, which have been made easy for you to follow." From inside them comes a drink of varying colours, containing healing for mankind. There is certainly a Sign in that for people who reflect. (Qur'an, 16:68-69)
The Capital words are Verbs that are assigned to a female noun in Arabic. The Quran states as such because the Worker Bee in a Bee Family is a Female.
show me in the verse's history of interpretation where a religious scholar of ANY of Islam's school of thought has used misinformation to make it scientifically accurate.
what do you see when muslims stone women to death, perform honour killings, perform public executions of homosexuals, mutilate children's genitals, drive trucks over little boys arms, blow them selves up etc
what do you think when you see that?
a muslim lives and sleeps according to his interpretation of the quran. what good does it do to dig up quotes?
even if i was to paste a quote that advocated killing a women, you would just interpret it differently for the sake of argument - totally ignoring what happens in reality for hundreds of thousands of women in muslim states
it's better than completely avoiding to do so, and misunderstanding the theology of a billion people. Promoting hatred for their belief system and spreading misconceptions because of your limited understanding.
Here's another useless 'quote'
And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.
i'm sure it doesn't matter to you anyway, even if i did bother to copy paste verses of the quran that are interpreted to promote - lets say beating a woman, you would just twist the interpretation anyway. it would be a waste of time.
so what i do is see how muslims treat women in muslim countries.
what about terrorism. why do muslims blow themselves up. they believe that a martyr is rewarded by their god. obviously. no need to copy paste quotes.
And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.
peace
no point replying, you couldn't give references and sources to back your claims if your life depended on it . you're just out for trouble and spreading mischief, not knowledge
(10) And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. (11) Beware ! They indeed the mischief-makers. But they perceive not.
giving references is YOUR idea, not mine. i told you it's useless.
you will interpret them to your own end, just as the quran is interpreted by others for their own. we see millions of muslims behaving a particular way - such as suicide bombs, oppression of women, gays and other religions. sharia - the judicial arm of islam is brutal and violent.
you want me to get quotes. what's the point? seriously.
are you kidding? you won't provide any references at all? just talk all day
i've repeatedly told you, if you want bring forth the text within the Qur'an to support your claims. otherwise you're just judging the individual muslims
it's like me telling the world to condemn atheism because "TheEarthAbides" is arrogant on youtube
i'm ignoring that because every people, regardless of race or creed have committed acts against humanity. would you like me to get into Stalin, pol pot, and mao? how their secularism took the lives of millions?
you are committing the fallacy of "no true Scotsman"
you are judging the actions of millions of muslims and concluding that they are acting not muslim like.
what the heck does a true muslim act like then?
the quran is interpreted differently among muslims. but muslim states, for the most part and unified on certain actions. oppressing women, gays and mutilating anyone accused of theft for starters.
and even if i grant you your argument, that Islam is actually a peaceful, great religion that only wishes to peacefully coexist with everyone (which i don't believe at all) - but if i grated this, and i read those books and believed them...
it doesn't change reality. and the reality is, that Islam (the islamic state) oppresses, performs public executions for trivial things and seeks to have the world submit to the will of allah.
You'd gain my respect if you did, and I'd like to say I used to think the way you did when I was agnostic. but i found out it was a huge misunderstanding
which 'islamic state' are you referring to. Many muslims today believe there is none.
["Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)]
i don't want to get into what that stuff that you think is a scientific miracle is garbage. i haven't the time nor the energy. look into some arguments against it for yourself.
"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"
"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"
If you are truly sincere, I'd like to advise you to learn more about Islam first.. read the Qur'an from cover to cover and remember that this is a religion where one cannot depend on blind faith.
"...It is such that We clarify the revelations to a people who think. [10:24]" .. If you want I can msg you a couple links on Islam and reasoning, and apostates in Islam. No where in the Qur'an does it make it an obligation to murder those who leave Islam. Please message me when you get this..
do you agree that there is more to being a muslim than reading the quran? what about the hadiths? what about sharia? are these not part of it?
what happens when the majority of the country is muslim? does it not become an islamic state?
what happens to someone who looses their faith in an islamic state? what happens to freedom of speech, freedom of sexual orientation, for women to dress themselves, & freedom for other religions to proliferate?
To be a muslim one has to follow the Qur'an and the sunnah (tradition of the prophet). Islam is very different from Christianity because it seperates the word of God, word of the prophet, historians, and scholars. The hadiths are open to corruption, however the scholars have developed a system where each narration can be traced back to the individual who said it. A certain group of these individuals are considered authentic and others inauthentic or 'weak'. I've seen beautiful hadiths.. (cont'd)
Which is why I've pointed out earlier Muhammad Ali Al-Hashimi's book "The Ideal Muslim" where he describes a true Muslim in all aspects of life in the light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The criteria for determining whether the ahadith is authentic is whether or not the saying contradicts the Qur'an. Similarly, in order for one to understand Sharia law, one must first understand the Qur'an. In an Islamic state, minorities are protected and allowed to live within the society in exchange for tax.
"In an Islamic state, minorities are protected and allowed to live within the society in exchange for tax."
yea a jizya must be paid for protection. this is something you see the mafia do as well. if you happen to be a minority in an islamic state you must submit to Islam. they force you to either pay tax or get beaten, burned out or killed. you know this.
Muslims are obligated to pay Zakaat (Charity) according to their wealth. Jizya is only for MEN who have reached an age of puberty; It is not imposed on women and children. When I go abroad I have to get myself a Visa.. about getting beaten burned or killed, u've been watching too much hate videos my friend
(Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him; and that you be good to your parents. If one of them or both reach old age in your life, do not say to them a word of the faintest complaint or disrespect, nor shout at them; but address them in terms of honor. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say:' My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood. [17:23] )
"A man came to the Prophet (Peace be upon Him) and asked him: 'O Prophet of Allah! Who is the most deserving and worthy of my good company?' Allah's Prophet (Peace be upon Him) answered: "Your mother." The man asked: 'Who comes next after her?' He said: "Your mother." The man asked again: 'Who comes next after her?' He said: "Your mother." The man asked again: 'Who comes next after her?' He said: "Your father."
In an Islamic state, when someone loses their faith, depending on whether the leader rules righteously or not, it is still in the hands of the individual. Freedom of speech has been defended by westerners even if it is at the expense of offending and hurting many. What is your view on this? In a Muslim family, women are held high in honor with dignity. In Islamic societies, women generally do not like showing themselves to other men and becoming sex objects on television. What is your position?
Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, God will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path. [4:137]
the Qur'an mentions one who disbelieves; do you see death anywhere in the verse?
to this day Danish cartoonists are hunted by muslims. the muslims think they are justified in MURDER because they were "offended".
you sound like you are against the most sacred freedom in the west - freedom of speech. the freedom to voice your opinion. you would rather stop this than face criticism.
no where in the quran does it say it's ok to murder a cartoonist, but given the context, one can see how someone can come to that conclusion. jihad against those who insult the prophet...
to those who attempted to murder the men who drew the cartoons, I condemn their actions. 1.5 billion muslims in the world, what is expected? are we all learned scholars who don't get angry and always avoid going to extremes? it's not hard for a muslim to admit we have our black sheeps. What is your solution? mine would be don't insult a prophet that many love unless you want to start controversy
@DroppinTruth We want to start controversy, discuting, free speech, is sacred to us. Be offended is a blasfemous. We should kill all musslims who think on kill some of us because of our faith on free speech? If musslims fell this right, then maybe we should feel this righ too, and its jihad versus holly war.
Do they not reflect upon themselves? God did not create the heavens and the Earth and what is between them except by truth and an appointed term. But most of the people are in denial regarding their meeting with their Lord. [30:8]
...Say: Are those who know equal to those who do not know? Only those who possess understanding will remember. [39:9]
If they are told, "Follow what God has sent down," they say, "No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!" What if their fathers did not reason much and were not guided? The example of those who are unappreciative is like the one who repeats what he has heard of calls and shouts; deaf, dumb, and blind; they do not reason.
In the creation of heavens and Earth, and the alternation between night and day, are signs for those with understanding.
Those who remember God while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the Earth: Our Lord you did not create this without purpose...
[3:190-191]
sorry for posting so much.. there's more but i don't want to spam the page more than i already have.
"What is your solution? mine would be don't insult a prophet that many love unless you want to start controversy "
that's not the answer. you want to over ride freedom of speech because of a learned behaviour on the part of muslims.
the solution is for Islam to step into the new millennium. The world is now a village, and for someone to satire what is (to everyone else) an absurd idea is part of it. if a muslim is offended, then deal with it. people get offended, it's natural.
I actually said that exact phrase to a muslim guy - & i said Lord of the RIngs was well edited, what's your point- to which he replied, "there are no errors in the quran" which i said, yes there are, for example everything it says about embryology and sperm. he said "you have to read it in its original arabic". again i said bullshit, is it possible for an arab to understand modern science? (yes he replied) so why can you translate to arabic, but not the other way around?
Muhammad killed religious pluralism in the Arabian peninsula, at least in pre-Islamic Arabia, Jews and Christians were found in every strata of society, Mecca was open to everyone, however in post-Islam, Christians and Jews were driven out of the peninsula, paganism was destroyed, Mecca was barred for all non-Muslims. After conquering Arabia, they started invading other countries to spread their religion.
Another lie in your video is you are trying to state Muslims cannot co-exist with Christians and Jews and that we mistreat them and oppress them. This again is a relative minority. You do not claim in your video how in Oman (Yes, an ISLAMIC nation) has recently granted land and money for the building of 6 churches?
The Prophet did everything in his power to be peaceful with Jews and Christians trying to unite Arabs in Monotheism instead of Paganistic tribes but he was constantly rejected.
what do you mean "lie" like as if i am giving false information on purpose to trick people. believe me, i don't need to make anything up. i can quite honestly tell you that i NEVER lie.
Just the fact that you pull out this Oman refrence should show you that for the majority of muslim nations, coexistence with equal right for all is almost non-existent. just listen to dr naik explain it for you.
You never lie? That is wonderful i am happy for you, but are you ever misinformed? I sure believe that. As for your obsession with Dr. Naik you clearly judge MUSLIMS and not ISLAM- let the faith stand by itself and see it not from any pre-concienved angles and you will see it in a much less distorted light.
In Islam Chrstians and Jews payed a tax (Muslims pay charity too) to be protected in Muslim countries- not only protected but respected and united, you let the minority speak for majority.
and by the way, if the prohpet really wanted to co-exist peacefully with the jews and christians he probably wouldn't have written the quran. that would have been the best way to go about it, instead he split the region into yet anther equally impossible belief system for everyone else to deal with. the whole thing makes no sense if peace was the goal.
Oh and by the way the prophet never "wrote" the Quran, he was illiterate. He recited the Quran. The prophet did not SPLIT the region, go read of Pre-Islamic Arabia, they used to bury their baby daughters alive in shame and the prophet forbade this in Islam and saved them. He united tribes into a nation, an Arabian empire of monotheism. He was kind even to his enemies who'd throw rubbish at him. He was known as Al Almin "The trusted" and was very fair to all and he hated injustice! Learn it.
yea i know he was illiterate, everyone was illiterate back then. But clearly he worked with a band of scribes, as I stated earlier.
By adding yet another branch to the aberhamic religion the region became that much more fragmented.
so before islam arabs would burry their baby daughters in shame. after islam they murder them in shame. you hear about honour killings every week. what's different?
he was kind to his enemies? where do you get this stuff from. he murdered thousands man!
Everyone was illiterate back then? Come on man that aint true, there were many scholars, scientists and philosophers and especially poets back in the day.
What does honour killings have to do with Islam exactly, show me the text that encourages honour killing? Many things "linked" to Islam aren't Islamic at all.
He was kind to his enemies up until persecution and oppresion came along but again he never initiated ANY wars upon anyone, him and the Muslims went through much antagonizing.
Obviously lot "everyone" « literally was illiterate, that goes without saying. but the VAST majority sure were.
if honour killings have nothing to do with Islam, why is it that you only see muslims doing it? why do they stone women to death? why do they behead women for a number of mundane "crimes". why do little children get maimed for petty crimes?
Dude that's the problem even i dont know why they do this crazy shit, the problem is the minority are representing the majority when it comes to Islam which isn't easy.
I think the problem is there are people who would twist religion into giving them the green light to commit such crimes. Most of these crimes are commited in the uncivilized, backwards and dangerous Arabian societies where there is political agenda, small sects or "parties" that rule the land, but it's definetely not islamic.
well can you admit then that within the quran are some surahs that can be interpreted by some to give them the idea that the non-believers or the infidels should either submit to Islam or have their heads removed from their bodies? in my video i showed how mistreated the christians are in Islamic egypt, you can see that the muslims in egypt get that idea from the same book you read right?
Well that is what comes with a lack of knowldge, people can interprate things as they like. To me upon studying the Quran i see it is rather clear and easy to understand. In the Quran there are numerous verses like "there is no compulsion on religion" and "to you be your way to me be mine". Surah Kafiroon. Heads removed from bodies? Only if you are defending yourself. Ppl are mistreated everyhwere- hear about pregnant hijab woman stabbed 18 times in german court from an Anti-Islamist?
Oh my hahahaha! I have seen this video before it is all to familiar. Sadly, i am well prepared. Yes, this video you sent me can be misinterpreted let me tell you why.
I can make a video exactly the same with all of the good verses in the Quran (and there are plenty). Yet these "satanic verses" are all repetative and all talk about hellfire - these verses have nothing to do with actions and how Muslims behave or treat people, this is strictly only Gods talk of hellfire- harsh in most faiths.
Yet the GOOD verses in the Quran i can point out are actually based on ACTIONS and how people must treat people with justice, love, kindness and tolerance. In my opinion this is MUCH more important in this life and in this world than the "painful doom" verses for the disbelievers.
The misinterpretation is right there, these verses all might as well be one and the same, but the beautiful verses of the Quran are abundant and different and improve relations between people and i can prove it.
the quran is full of good verses & bad ones. you can interpret them to do good, or bad. it could very well be that no two people on earth read the quran & get the exact same meaning from it.
you know what that means? it means the book doesn't do anything! it means people use it as they wish. it's like having an alphabet & using it to write whatever you want.
the point is, the quran, just like the bible is useless as a guide for moral teachings
... it's useless because it is (apparently) up to the reader to interpret the texts and to (apparently) gleam the positive message from the text and ignore the negative context. the holy books become nothing but vague and generalized metaphor's for behaviors in life. and what is the grand message then? what to be good? coudln't we have figured that out on our own? don't other religions teach that anyway? what is the difference if you believe in gods vs god if the subtext is BE GOOD?
I respect you bro i really do. I just wish there was even a hint of positivity Islam has shown you, it's not all bad news. The religion for me (which i have converted to myself) is a wonderful guide. The Quran is much more than a moral guide, it is such a reflective book, almost every chapter refers to nature, the beauty of the world, the complexity and even asks us to refer to our own selves. Proof of its influence is found in the Islamic Golden age, Islam helped shape the world for AGES.
The Quran is different than the Bible man. I guess every book has something to offer yes, but even from a non religious point of view the Quran is truely excellence in literature, it is the best piece of Arabic written, it is the guide for the language itself and with the Quran it means "the recital" hence the beauty is more in the listening to it, than the reading. The Quran flows in an amazing rhythm of rhyme flowing through with the context of its message, it is amazing and pure art.
You give in to the myth that the Prophet copied everything from the ancient Greeks. The problem with that theory is that if it WAS the case - the Greeks got very detailed when it came to embryology and the cosmos, so even though they got a few bits of information correct they had many,many grave errors in their statements.
Do you not find it odd that Mohammed filtered out basically all of the rubbish from the ancient Greeks and selected generally accurate segments only? Why is that?
"Do you not find it odd that Mohammed filtered out basically all of the rubbish from the ancient Greeks and selected generally accurate segments only? Why is that?"
here's the thing... he DIDN'T filter anything. the same errors the greeks were copied by mohammed and his band of scribes. it's quite easy to see this.
mohammed got his information in part from ancient greece, and in part from the bible. all of which are ridiculously false, including flat earth belief, moon chasing sun etc.
He didn't filter anything? Are you kidding me? The greeks (like hypocrates) made many many statements which were absolutely incorrect about many things. In the Quran there is no evidence so support flat earth belief, and it does not say the moon chases the sun (at least not literally) because the prophet mentions they both swim in their OWN orbit (and yes the sun does have its own orbit).
As for the Bible the Quran doesn't mention a worldwide flood and many other differences.
u srs?? that one about the msqin israel. muslims are beaten and discriminated in israel. that was a few people's views. does that mean all muslims feel that way??
the problem is that by islamic doctrine a muslim is not to fully integrate with any other culture. the other culture must either convert or submit to islam. this is true all over the world. just watch this clip, it comes all the way from australia where it's the same old story...
watch?v=tsiKVc028I0
so i'm not sure what you are trying to argue for, do you deny it? do you marginalize it? it's the truth, so what's your argument?
do u have a verse from the quran to back up ur point? the one where muslims cannot integrate with any other culture??
again u are putting all muslims by the views of some people. how do u kw that all muslims feel that way? i dont agree with that and i can asure u that the people that are converting to islam evryday dont either. btw im not trying to argue with u.
there is an argument because you don't agree with my video, where as i do.
i made my case in the video and backed it up in the video. obviously in islam the idea is that there is those who believe (muslims) and those who don't - and those who don't are either to convert to islam or submit to it as evident in the video i made. should i make another video showing you muslim "scholars" who say this? look up zakir naik for example, he says just that. people convert to every religion, so what.
How dishonest/ignorant you have to be to deny that Christians and Jews lived peacefully in the middle east for 1400 years? I'm sorry but those little clips you showed are not history. They are probably an instance of an instance of an instance of the history. And that's without going intro how accurately those clips represent any current situation. Non Muslims have been living peacefully in all Muslim countries for centuries and thts historically documented.
i love you you first start off with an Ad hominem. classic. so you honestly believe that islam is nothing but a religion of peace who believe in turning the other cheek and letting other live and practice their religion just the same as anyone else?
you are saying that historically muslims have been peaceful with non muslims? this is b.s.
hmm. I see. Do you want me to refute that entire web site in this comment section? I don't have that expertise anyway. I was trying to tell you this simple truth. For 1400 years Christians and Jews lived in the Muslim lands, where Muslims ruled. When the Christians were persecuting the Jews they took refuge in the Muslim lands. This is history my friend. If you deny this you simply do not know the history...period
that's neither here nor there. you are trying to refute me by saying that even though it may appear that muslims prosecute non muslims in the middle east NOW, it wasn't always the case HISTORICALLY. so i sent you the link from the 6 day war as a way to establish it's been this way since BEFORE Israel was given to the Jews.
you must concede that today - non muslims in muslim states ARE not living in "peace". you want to nit pick history but to what end my friend, what end?
why do you think you atheist that you are always trying to prove that islam is wrong, even though thousands of scientist revert to islam every year and millions come to islam on a yearly basis if islam was wrong, why are so many intellectual people coming to islam, secoundly this guy in the video was ummah films he is actually a comedian who was posing question as a atheist would do so, by the way Muhammad peace be upon him did not die when he asended to the heavens you are really ignorant !!!!!
"by the way Muhammad peace be upon him did not die when he asended to the heavens you are really ignorant !!!!!"
ok so you believe that a human being magically floated up into the sky to where exactly, behind a cloud? and you say i am the ignorant one. dont worry, im sure a converted scientist will agree with you, heaven is in the atmosphere.
Or thou have a house of gold; or thou ascend up into heaven, and even then we will put no faith in thine ascension till thou bring down for us a book that we can read. Say (O Muhammad): My Lord be Glorified! Am I aught save a mortal messenger ?
if i had a dollar for every muslim who brought that up, I would have, uh, at least like, 100 bucks or so-
it's the bullshit about "scientific miracles" in the quran. it somehow made a resurgence on the internet, like the creationist's watchmaker nonsense etc...
it all stems from this bullshit propaghanda footage of a handful of scientists from the early 80s who later recanted their statements and confessed they did so out of greed... check this out:
Ha ha ha I have seen enough of those nonsence drivels.Who decides those miracles or what ever they are scientific anyway?Quran itself indicates as well there is no miracles.If people can see the unexisting miracles like these,I call it miracle.I saw Keith Moore`s video and I tell you that guy shouldnt be called a scientist.
I`m sorry I pasted the link wrongly and I came cross with Zakir Naiq again.I was talking about his videos as nonsence drivels and many others ofcourse.ha ha
even if a bonafide scientist actually believed that the quran WAS the word of the one responsible for the universe, he would base this belief NOT on science, but on something else. it would be based on something outside of science, so to say that even ONE scientist converted, or believes is in consequential. but if you are implying that a scientist has a good bullshit detector, then his conversion means nothing more then a flaw in his bullshit sensor
"god says that in the book that this is the religion of truth "
so the book is from god because it says it's from god? isn't that self-referencing? what if you look at the book objectively and decide for yourself who wrote it.
I cant believe you`ve watched an entire video of him(ummahfilms or Ali Baba,whatever the name).Every time I try to watch one, I`m loosing my patience, before the first minutes end.I believe his scientific backround mean is the scientific reserches he`s been subjected to (pshcoteraphy on chimps etc)
I was a Muslim 10 years a go but when I investigated Islam without bias , I found out I was wrong, Now I'm an Atheist, because Islam is the worst way of life. Music, Free speech , human rights , women rights and a lot more is prohibited. they will kill you if you leave Islam, it is considered their religious duty to do so. Thank you for posting this video hope it will bring some light to those who are in the illusion of light. I'm Godless and Free.
Yea I did. Dr. Naik is either not as smart as his credentials would have you believe, or he really IS that smart and chooses to misinform his listeners.
Suggesting sitting down with this guy and discussing it "like MEN" implies that he had something unique to say, when in fact, pick any Muslim, or any believer and they would have virtually the exact same "evidence".
circular logic
intelligent designer
watchmaker analogy
i'm sure kalam's argument would surface
except i think with this guy he was actively lying about having a scientific background. either that or he dismisses his background when it's convienient to his beliefs
I can't say for sure that this guy is lying, if it's true that he has a scientific background and he practices scientific methodology then he would have to lie to himself in order to believe the B.S. he was pushing in his video.
or he doesn't have a scientific background and he lied about that-
or he's not lying at all, & he's doesn't know what the hell he's talking about
that idiot is a lier he didnt study islam and found it suitable for him
he was brought up to believe this
trust i was a muslim and his claims was givn to me in a regular basis for 17 years of education in saudi arabia even when i was studieng engineering in university!
you cant judge islam by knowing 10 or even 100 muslims they are way to many sects and beliefs and practices,some based on islam yet are more to do with culture. Read the entire book to know Islam. Reading a passage from the quran isnt good enough either, you got to read an entire chapter and sometimes a collection of chapters to find an asnwer. all religions basically tell you more or less the same thing so i agree with you there.and most of them are mentioned in the quran, Its a fun book readit
zaeyim 8 months ago
Can't argue with these religionists. They do not operate on reason. Just turn your head and walk away from them, don't waste your time on them. They can not be helped. Like this Koran guy, they clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
lunhil12 11 months ago
@lunhil12 yea, i wish i could. i just can't stand it when people assert things that aren't true and they should know better.
TheEarthAbides 8 months ago
Scientific method tells you to be prepared to be wrong. If someone has a argument that proves you wrong or if there's other evidence, then you are expected to accept that in a certain way. - I have not yet met a religious person who listened to arguments I had deeply enough to come up with an answer other then "it says so in the book" be that christian (or versions of it, e.g. Witnesses of Jehova) or muslim. I didn't get to discuss with a jew yet...
JulixHartley 1 year ago
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zaeyim 1 year ago
@zaeyim my information is secondary? what the heck does that mean? The clips I used are the same thing as quoting texts. What I read out loud was my written response, what's wrong with that.
Your response to my video is nothing but an ad hominem attack. basically you watched my video and called me a dumb dumb head. If I am wrong, tell me how I'm wrong. Calling me names doesn't do anything but make you look like a child who doesn't have an argument. I proved my point.
TheEarthAbides 1 year ago
@zaeyim it's "you're no intellect, you're a joke!" not "your". also an Ellipsis has three dots, not four. in fact there is even a shortcut for an Ellipsis: "…" it's alt + colon on the keyboard. I'm 6 feet tall and all information is secondary. The clips were biased because they came from a biased source.
TheEarthAbides 8 months ago
@TheEarthAbides man, its funny what i was watching 10 months back! haha YOUTUBE takes you places, agreed my sentence structuring or grammar isn't very meritorious but heck its just youtube not my thesis so i couldnt care less...and dude, its really all love you know... your happy believing what you want and makes sense to you ! good for you! and im sorry for saying what i said..and you have the right to have an opinion, so thats fine! i dont think its anyones job to prove anybody right or wrong!
zaeyim 8 months ago
@zaeyim yo, no worries. mind you - to say "your happy believing what you want " makes it seem like i am the one with the unwarrented belief system when i am just pointing out the gaping holes in yours / the guy in the video. his video really was filled with nonsense which when looked at objectively is almost laughable. my position requires no belief, just discipline.
TheEarthAbides 8 months ago
@TheEarthAbides my belief is not what this joker talks about, and why are you even wasting your time on this guy man, id suggest you start a vlog pick up this book called Quran and practice your reasoning logic or what ever your discipline dictates, and post em.
zaeyim 8 months ago
@zaeyim i had 3 muslim friends who "explained" islam to me, i also read several passages form that book. the more you learn about it from an objective standpoint the more is sounds like any other religion out there, that being enshrined myths. Islam lacks honest criticism my guess because it is punishable by death! That might have something to do with people like this guy thinking his religion is based on logic & is scientifically accurate. it fails like all the rest. i tried to point that out.
TheEarthAbides 8 months ago
@TheEarthAbides and i hope this ends now! im not really a religion guy but i do believe in God and i think you might have read the spoils of war or a passage from it i dont know where your getting the punishable by death bit but its states in the quran that there is NO compulsion to religion. and if you want to have a discussion just come on some webchat itl be easier and i might be able to shed some light or vice versa.
zaeyim 8 months ago
you guys are idiots. the guy is not forcing you to convert nor is he begging you.
scherry21 1 year ago
@scherry21 you started with an ad hominem attack, which is weak. also, my video is a rebuttal to the claims made in the original video.
do you have anything intelligent to add? or do you just want to call people names and completely miss the point in the process?
let me know-
TheEarthAbides 1 year ago
@MuslimahUnity Ali is making a claim that the Quran is actually the true religion, and he is making this bold assertion based on his self-proclaimed scientific background. Now, my response is to point out that he isn't being very scientific at all, and since there is actually no scientific truth to his claim that the Quran is actually written by a supernatural being, then it isn't any better then any other religion out there.
he made a truth claim, i refuted it. that's all.
TheEarthAbides 1 year ago
@MuslimahUnity elaborate
TheEarthAbides 1 year ago
I remember looking at this exact Ummah films web vid over a year ago and it pissed me off royally. Not because the guy claimed he believed in such and such religion, but that he would have the audacity to claim himself a scientist and make the statements that he did. The most basic part of any science background is the ability to do legitimate research on a subject, which this guy did none of to make such ridiculous claims.
Lobotaru 1 year ago
@Lobotaru yea that's what bugged me too. the audacity to argue from authority, but then to go ahead and make huge errors like that - and go unchallenged was a little much. another guy guilty of this is some joker named "dr. zakir naik". unbelievable really.
TheEarthAbides 1 year ago
Yes everyone Allah who is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing can only speak one language and its not Japanese.
slicingwater 1 year ago
I don't know whether he's lying or just stupid, but there are scientific errors abound in the Quran. Some that are so ridiculous it makes you question why people believe this book to be true. For instance mountains are pegs that keep the earth from shaking. The traditional flat Earth theory, contradictions on the origin of humans, and to me the most ridiculous Donkeys and Horses being created by God so Humans could ride them.
slicingwater 1 year ago
#lol
kokopingo 1 year ago
watch the whole video for starters
secondly, there are contradictions, when ever these are pointed out believers hide behind a common excuse which is, "that's not what it means in arabic" even when native arabic speakers point it out. what difference would it make if there were no contradictions anyway? you still have splintered groups of Islam, there isn't 1 cohesive Islam. also, this scientific accuracy is also a load of bull. they don't even make for impressive coincidences. think critically
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I dont see this as a Rebuttle? I'm sorry but you didn't really answer many of the questions you posed. Human's are imperfect by nature, imperfect implies errors. So unless the human race has somehow upped a level and has become perfect without errors, there is no such thing as a well edited book. Perfection is beyond us and Is possessed by the Lord who is perfect and therefor his words perfect. The quran.
simantee 2 years ago
"perfect" is subjective.
what would be an example of something perfect?
you mentioned that the Quran is perfect, but like I said, this is subjective. how should we measure the quran then?
well, it can only be read by someone who understands a particular type of arabic so that's not really perfect is it. the book is interpreted in many different ways - how many different sects of Islam are there, all of whom interpret it differently. it contains falsities, condones beating women, gays etc.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
The Islamic guy is a liar. I wonder what his agenda is? Cash, Power or racism.
believerornot 2 years ago
no his agenda is Islam.
At it's core is a totalitarian political system. The world is either to convert or to submit to the will of allah.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
What is your agenda? Why is it for this short period of time do you feel you should speak out against any religion? cause it's unfair?
why does it matter if we're all going nowhere, with no purpose?
He hath created man from a drop of fluid, yet behold! he is an open opponent. [Qur'an 16:4]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
do you think that misinformation, oppression, lies, bigotry and murder should get a free pass - just as long as it comes in the form of religion?
what if religion blocks human advance, what if it hinders science, equality & the proliferation of freedom and human rights?
what did you hope to accomplish with that quote?
here is a quote that is of equal relevance,
"Mary had a little lamb, whose fleece was white as snow. Everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go" [Mary Had A Little Lamb]
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Since you've made a claim, provide your proof if you are truthful, post these verses that advocate misinformation, oppression, lies, bigotry and murder.
"Or, who originates creation, Then repeats it, And who gives you sustenance From heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god Besides Allah? Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye Are telling the truth!"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
how's this.
also, check any news website for further evidence.
/watch?v=WVH3vVVJag8
why do you keep giving me quotes, like as if quoting that book makes any difference to anyone outside of the indoctrination- if you are to look at any of your quotes subjectively, you will see that they don't make a lick of difference to anything or anyone.
here:
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
--John 3:17
now what? stop quoting.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I don't see anything of such in these verses. Care to pick and choose any of the verses provided in the video to prove your point? or is someone else's misconceptions and lack of understanding the source of your hate for Islam?
take whatever you would like out of its context, i'll put it back in, and please, out of respect, don't copy and paste the summarized and changed texts provided in the video. i understand you are not learned and in a stage of ignorance when it comes to Islam
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
At least learn our views before criticizing them and assuming it is similar to Christianity
/watch?v=tlaEPERULhc
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
how did i assume (islam?) is similar to christianity?
it's patently more violent and dogmatic than christianity for starters.
but i'm having trouble following what you want from me. if you are talking about my video i think i did a good job of proving that guy either didn't know what he was talking about, or he was being conniving and misleading people on purpose.
i used a biblical quote to illustrate to you how useless quote mining is.
why is it that only muslims are terrorists?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
another claim with no proof, show me specifically how it is more violent than Christianity.. and please back your last claim up with a reference from the text or tell me ahead of time that all you want to do is seem smarter on the comments of your youtube video
why don't u get straight to the points and facts instead of arguing about my 'useless quote mining' that are apparently so irrelevant to this video which carries the tag "Islam"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
In other words all I'm saying is present a reference or two from the Qur'anic text that you believe advocate this "misinformation, oppression, lies, bigotry and murder " and give solid reasons for your opinion and i'll give mine. thats all
no one cares about useless insults over youtube, get to the point
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
misinformation = take any one of the so called "scientific miracles" from the quran. they are either wrong, or they are bent to appear as if they are accurate.
oppression = no other religion is allowed to proliferate in an islamic state. women are treated like property, and homosexuality is against the law.
lies = see the miracles, also, jews were turned into pigs & monkeys
bigotry = anti jew, unbeliever, homosexual, women etc
murder = stoning women, killing non believers & gays.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
where are the references?
why are you making baseless claims, did u even read what I asked for? u can simply say "i don't have time" if you're lazy
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
as for the 'misinformation'
/watch?v=Tx434UE3SYw
professor Keith Moore, wrote a book on embryology used worldwide.. please show me in his interpretation of the Qur'an's reference to detailed embryology (as a non muslim) where misinformation has been used.
He is the former Chair of anatomy and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
this Keith Moore stuff has been debunked many times over. what does the opinion of one scientist matter? besides, did Keith convert to Islam? negative.
all that stuff about scientific miracles is nonsense, easily refutable.
i live in Toronto, believe me, no one cares about that guy.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
debunked? what exactly has been debunked?
that's why i made that "useless quote" to begin with: Bring forth your arguement if you are truthful
what are your claims without evidence to support them? falsehood
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
Your Lord revealed to the bees: "BUILD dwellings in the mountains and the trees, and also in the structures which men erect. Then EAT from every kind of fruit and TRAVEL the paths of your Lord, which have been made easy for you to follow." From inside them comes a drink of varying colours, containing healing for mankind. There is certainly a Sign in that for people who reflect. (Qur'an, 16:68-69)
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
The Capital words are Verbs that are assigned to a female noun in Arabic. The Quran states as such because the Worker Bee in a Bee Family is a Female.
show me in the verse's history of interpretation where a religious scholar of ANY of Islam's school of thought has used misinformation to make it scientifically accurate.
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
what's all this about Bees?
what do you see when muslims stone women to death, perform honour killings, perform public executions of homosexuals, mutilate children's genitals, drive trucks over little boys arms, blow them selves up etc
what do you think when you see that?
a muslim lives and sleeps according to his interpretation of the quran. what good does it do to dig up quotes?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
even if i was to paste a quote that advocated killing a women, you would just interpret it differently for the sake of argument - totally ignoring what happens in reality for hundreds of thousands of women in muslim states
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
it's better than completely avoiding to do so, and misunderstanding the theology of a billion people. Promoting hatred for their belief system and spreading misconceptions because of your limited understanding.
Here's another useless 'quote'
And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.
peace
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
i'm sure it doesn't matter to you anyway, even if i did bother to copy paste verses of the quran that are interpreted to promote - lets say beating a woman, you would just twist the interpretation anyway. it would be a waste of time.
so what i do is see how muslims treat women in muslim countries.
what about terrorism. why do muslims blow themselves up. they believe that a martyr is rewarded by their god. obviously. no need to copy paste quotes.
how do you explain that?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.
peace
no point replying, you couldn't give references and sources to back your claims if your life depended on it . you're just out for trouble and spreading mischief, not knowledge
(10) And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. (11) Beware ! They indeed the mischief-makers. But they perceive not.
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
giving references is YOUR idea, not mine. i told you it's useless.
you will interpret them to your own end, just as the quran is interpreted by others for their own. we see millions of muslims behaving a particular way - such as suicide bombs, oppression of women, gays and other religions. sharia - the judicial arm of islam is brutal and violent.
you want me to get quotes. what's the point? seriously.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
are you kidding? you won't provide any references at all? just talk all day
i've repeatedly told you, if you want bring forth the text within the Qur'an to support your claims. otherwise you're just judging the individual muslims
it's like me telling the world to condemn atheism because "TheEarthAbides" is arrogant on youtube
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
you want me to dig up verses, i'm talking about the actions of muslims worldwide.
you seem to be ignoring that for some reason.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
do you not agree that islamic states murder homosexuals?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
would you agree with incest?
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
i'm ignoring that because every people, regardless of race or creed have committed acts against humanity. would you like me to get into Stalin, pol pot, and mao? how their secularism took the lives of millions?
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
you are committing the fallacy of "no true Scotsman"
you are judging the actions of millions of muslims and concluding that they are acting not muslim like.
what the heck does a true muslim act like then?
the quran is interpreted differently among muslims. but muslim states, for the most part and unified on certain actions. oppressing women, gays and mutilating anyone accused of theft for starters.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
there's a book called "The Ideal Muslim"
by Muhammad Ali Al-hashimi
read it and learn the other perspective
better yet read "Islamic Roots of Democratic Pluralism" by Ahmed Sachedina
and if you don't trust islamic scholars, read "a short history on islam" by karen armstrong
complete misunderstanding, a trait of the ignorant
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
i could read those books...
and even if i grant you your argument, that Islam is actually a peaceful, great religion that only wishes to peacefully coexist with everyone (which i don't believe at all) - but if i grated this, and i read those books and believed them...
it doesn't change reality. and the reality is, that Islam (the islamic state) oppresses, performs public executions for trivial things and seeks to have the world submit to the will of allah.
that's bad for humanity.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
You'd gain my respect if you did, and I'd like to say I used to think the way you did when I was agnostic. but i found out it was a huge misunderstanding
which 'islamic state' are you referring to. Many muslims today believe there is none.
["Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."
(51:47) and "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. " (21:33)
how can one bend this verse's interpretation to make it scientifically accurate?
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
i don't want to get into what that stuff that you think is a scientific miracle is garbage. i haven't the time nor the energy. look into some arguments against it for yourself.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I looked at this morning's news on bbc.
this article titled German Islamists convicted over bomb plot:
news(dot)bbc(dot)co(dot)uk(slash)2(slash)hi(slash)europe(slash)8549044(dot)stm
would you argue that Islam has nothing to do with it?
or would you argue that these muslims who believe they are acting in accordance with Islam are actually wrong in their thinking... ?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I would argue that those individuals are wrong. If you would argue that it is Islam, u must present your proof
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
you said:
"At it's core is a totalitarian political system. The world is either to convert or to submit to the will of allah. "
Bring your proof if you are truthful before you go on spreading mischief regarding the belief of over a billion people on this earth.
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
DroppinTruth,
After I read your first Quran Quote I thought... "why is this guy giving me quotes"...
then when i read the second one i thought, "hmm, this religion doesn't sound that bad"
then by the time i read your 10th quote I was ready to convert to Islam.
So just before I leave to go to the local mosque, I have one question for you...
would it be alright if I change my mind about Islam, say 6 months down the line, would it be alright if I leave the religion?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
If you are truly sincere, I'd like to advise you to learn more about Islam first.. read the Qur'an from cover to cover and remember that this is a religion where one cannot depend on blind faith.
"...It is such that We clarify the revelations to a people who think. [10:24]" .. If you want I can msg you a couple links on Islam and reasoning, and apostates in Islam. No where in the Qur'an does it make it an obligation to murder those who leave Islam. Please message me when you get this..
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
no msg.
what is the penalty for apostasy then?
do you agree that there is more to being a muslim than reading the quran? what about the hadiths? what about sharia? are these not part of it?
what happens when the majority of the country is muslim? does it not become an islamic state?
what happens to someone who looses their faith in an islamic state? what happens to freedom of speech, freedom of sexual orientation, for women to dress themselves, & freedom for other religions to proliferate?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
To be a muslim one has to follow the Qur'an and the sunnah (tradition of the prophet). Islam is very different from Christianity because it seperates the word of God, word of the prophet, historians, and scholars. The hadiths are open to corruption, however the scholars have developed a system where each narration can be traced back to the individual who said it. A certain group of these individuals are considered authentic and others inauthentic or 'weak'. I've seen beautiful hadiths.. (cont'd)
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
Which is why I've pointed out earlier Muhammad Ali Al-Hashimi's book "The Ideal Muslim" where he describes a true Muslim in all aspects of life in the light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The criteria for determining whether the ahadith is authentic is whether or not the saying contradicts the Qur'an. Similarly, in order for one to understand Sharia law, one must first understand the Qur'an. In an Islamic state, minorities are protected and allowed to live within the society in exchange for tax.
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"In an Islamic state, minorities are protected and allowed to live within the society in exchange for tax."
yea a jizya must be paid for protection. this is something you see the mafia do as well. if you happen to be a minority in an islamic state you must submit to Islam. they force you to either pay tax or get beaten, burned out or killed. you know this.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Muslims are obligated to pay Zakaat (Charity) according to their wealth. Jizya is only for MEN who have reached an age of puberty; It is not imposed on women and children. When I go abroad I have to get myself a Visa.. about getting beaten burned or killed, u've been watching too much hate videos my friend
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
just like every other democratic country in this world. It's amazing how one never mentions these beautiful hadiths..
for ex..
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
In the light of this Qur'anic verse:
(Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him; and that you be good to your parents. If one of them or both reach old age in your life, do not say to them a word of the faintest complaint or disrespect, nor shout at them; but address them in terms of honor. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say:' My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood. [17:23] )
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
This hadith is mentioned by multiple sources:
"A man came to the Prophet (Peace be upon Him) and asked him: 'O Prophet of Allah! Who is the most deserving and worthy of my good company?' Allah's Prophet (Peace be upon Him) answered: "Your mother." The man asked: 'Who comes next after her?' He said: "Your mother." The man asked again: 'Who comes next after her?' He said: "Your mother." The man asked again: 'Who comes next after her?' He said: "Your father."
[Bukhari and Muslim]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
In an Islamic state, when someone loses their faith, depending on whether the leader rules righteously or not, it is still in the hands of the individual. Freedom of speech has been defended by westerners even if it is at the expense of offending and hurting many. What is your view on this? In a Muslim family, women are held high in honor with dignity. In Islamic societies, women generally do not like showing themselves to other men and becoming sex objects on television. What is your position?
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, God will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path. [4:137]
the Qur'an mentions one who disbelieves; do you see death anywhere in the verse?
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
to this day Danish cartoonists are hunted by muslims. the muslims think they are justified in MURDER because they were "offended".
you sound like you are against the most sacred freedom in the west - freedom of speech. the freedom to voice your opinion. you would rather stop this than face criticism.
no where in the quran does it say it's ok to murder a cartoonist, but given the context, one can see how someone can come to that conclusion. jihad against those who insult the prophet...
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
to those who attempted to murder the men who drew the cartoons, I condemn their actions. 1.5 billion muslims in the world, what is expected? are we all learned scholars who don't get angry and always avoid going to extremes? it's not hard for a muslim to admit we have our black sheeps. What is your solution? mine would be don't insult a prophet that many love unless you want to start controversy
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@DroppinTruth We want to start controversy, discuting, free speech, is sacred to us. Be offended is a blasfemous. We should kill all musslims who think on kill some of us because of our faith on free speech? If musslims fell this right, then maybe we should feel this righ too, and its jihad versus holly war.
Vickron 1 year ago
also, in your video you asked the question "where in the Qur'an is reason and rationality displayed?"
Surely, the worst creatures in the sight of God are the deaf and dumb who do not reason. [8:22]
He has misled mountain loads of you: could you not, then, use your reason? [36:62]
If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess. [6:116]
...And conjecture/guesswork is no substitute for the truth. [53:28]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
And do not follow what you have no knowledge of; surely the hearing, the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that. [17:36]
"Will they not ponder over the Quran?" [4:82]
In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given knowledge... [29:49]
"Do you not then reflect?" [6:50]
With proofs and scriptures. And We sent down to you the Reminder to reveal to the people what was sent to them, and perhaps they will think. [16:44]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
Do they not reflect upon themselves? God did not create the heavens and the Earth and what is between them except by truth and an appointed term. But most of the people are in denial regarding their meeting with their Lord. [30:8]
...Say: Are those who know equal to those who do not know? Only those who possess understanding will remember. [39:9]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
If they are told, "Follow what God has sent down," they say, "No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!" What if their fathers did not reason much and were not guided? The example of those who are unappreciative is like the one who repeats what he has heard of calls and shouts; deaf, dumb, and blind; they do not reason.
[2:170-171]
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
@TheEarthAbides
In the creation of heavens and Earth, and the alternation between night and day, are signs for those with understanding.
Those who remember God while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the Earth: Our Lord you did not create this without purpose...
[3:190-191]
sorry for posting so much.. there's more but i don't want to spam the page more than i already have.
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
"What is your solution? mine would be don't insult a prophet that many love unless you want to start controversy "
that's not the answer. you want to over ride freedom of speech because of a learned behaviour on the part of muslims.
the solution is for Islam to step into the new millennium. The world is now a village, and for someone to satire what is (to everyone else) an absurd idea is part of it. if a muslim is offended, then deal with it. people get offended, it's natural.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
also, for the love of god please stop posting endless amounts of quranic quotes. what good is it doing?
go watch fitna, that movie is full of quranic quotes too.
stop copy pasting stuff and use your own head and form your own opinions.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
peace
DroppinTruth 2 years ago
We must realize we CREATE thoughts with our BRAIN. When delusions are accepted as reality, the brain is malfunctioning.
This man is infected with Islam-Psychosis. All religious people accept imaginary friends just like SCHIZOPHRENICS & TL Epileptics do.
People infected with this delusions inducing disorder-Faith-psychosis see 2+2 equals to ANYTHING but 4
One can not discuss reason with schizophrenics or those infected with Faith-Psychosis.
calpurnpiso 2 years ago
Thanks Dude
I actually said that exact phrase to a muslim guy - & i said Lord of the RIngs was well edited, what's your point- to which he replied, "there are no errors in the quran" which i said, yes there are, for example everything it says about embryology and sperm. he said "you have to read it in its original arabic". again i said bullshit, is it possible for an arab to understand modern science? (yes he replied) so why can you translate to arabic, but not the other way around?
BULLSHIT
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
thanks for that response, i'll check out your channel for sure
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Muhammad killed religious pluralism in the Arabian peninsula, at least in pre-Islamic Arabia, Jews and Christians were found in every strata of society, Mecca was open to everyone, however in post-Islam, Christians and Jews were driven out of the peninsula, paganism was destroyed, Mecca was barred for all non-Muslims. After conquering Arabia, they started invading other countries to spread their religion.
a406a4 2 years ago
Another lie in your video is you are trying to state Muslims cannot co-exist with Christians and Jews and that we mistreat them and oppress them. This again is a relative minority. You do not claim in your video how in Oman (Yes, an ISLAMIC nation) has recently granted land and money for the building of 6 churches?
The Prophet did everything in his power to be peaceful with Jews and Christians trying to unite Arabs in Monotheism instead of Paganistic tribes but he was constantly rejected.
ramio1983 2 years ago
what do you mean "lie" like as if i am giving false information on purpose to trick people. believe me, i don't need to make anything up. i can quite honestly tell you that i NEVER lie.
Just the fact that you pull out this Oman refrence should show you that for the majority of muslim nations, coexistence with equal right for all is almost non-existent. just listen to dr naik explain it for you.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
You never lie? That is wonderful i am happy for you, but are you ever misinformed? I sure believe that. As for your obsession with Dr. Naik you clearly judge MUSLIMS and not ISLAM- let the faith stand by itself and see it not from any pre-concienved angles and you will see it in a much less distorted light.
In Islam Chrstians and Jews payed a tax (Muslims pay charity too) to be protected in Muslim countries- not only protected but respected and united, you let the minority speak for majority.
ramio1983 2 years ago
and by the way, if the prohpet really wanted to co-exist peacefully with the jews and christians he probably wouldn't have written the quran. that would have been the best way to go about it, instead he split the region into yet anther equally impossible belief system for everyone else to deal with. the whole thing makes no sense if peace was the goal.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Oh and by the way the prophet never "wrote" the Quran, he was illiterate. He recited the Quran. The prophet did not SPLIT the region, go read of Pre-Islamic Arabia, they used to bury their baby daughters alive in shame and the prophet forbade this in Islam and saved them. He united tribes into a nation, an Arabian empire of monotheism. He was kind even to his enemies who'd throw rubbish at him. He was known as Al Almin "The trusted" and was very fair to all and he hated injustice! Learn it.
ramio1983 2 years ago
yea i know he was illiterate, everyone was illiterate back then. But clearly he worked with a band of scribes, as I stated earlier.
By adding yet another branch to the aberhamic religion the region became that much more fragmented.
so before islam arabs would burry their baby daughters in shame. after islam they murder them in shame. you hear about honour killings every week. what's different?
he was kind to his enemies? where do you get this stuff from. he murdered thousands man!
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Everyone was illiterate back then? Come on man that aint true, there were many scholars, scientists and philosophers and especially poets back in the day.
What does honour killings have to do with Islam exactly, show me the text that encourages honour killing? Many things "linked" to Islam aren't Islamic at all.
He was kind to his enemies up until persecution and oppresion came along but again he never initiated ANY wars upon anyone, him and the Muslims went through much antagonizing.
ramio1983 2 years ago
Obviously lot "everyone" « literally was illiterate, that goes without saying. but the VAST majority sure were.
if honour killings have nothing to do with Islam, why is it that you only see muslims doing it? why do they stone women to death? why do they behead women for a number of mundane "crimes". why do little children get maimed for petty crimes?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Dude that's the problem even i dont know why they do this crazy shit, the problem is the minority are representing the majority when it comes to Islam which isn't easy.
I think the problem is there are people who would twist religion into giving them the green light to commit such crimes. Most of these crimes are commited in the uncivilized, backwards and dangerous Arabian societies where there is political agenda, small sects or "parties" that rule the land, but it's definetely not islamic.
ramio1983 2 years ago
ah nice.
well can you admit then that within the quran are some surahs that can be interpreted by some to give them the idea that the non-believers or the infidels should either submit to Islam or have their heads removed from their bodies? in my video i showed how mistreated the christians are in Islamic egypt, you can see that the muslims in egypt get that idea from the same book you read right?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Well that is what comes with a lack of knowldge, people can interprate things as they like. To me upon studying the Quran i see it is rather clear and easy to understand. In the Quran there are numerous verses like "there is no compulsion on religion" and "to you be your way to me be mine". Surah Kafiroon. Heads removed from bodies? Only if you are defending yourself. Ppl are mistreated everyhwere- hear about pregnant hijab woman stabbed 18 times in german court from an Anti-Islamist?
ramio1983 2 years ago
Tell me man, how can you misinterprate this?
watch?v=gKgK3wDQR9E
ramio1983 2 years ago
lol, tell me man, how can you misinterpret this?
watch?v=WVH3vVVJag8
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Oh my hahahaha! I have seen this video before it is all to familiar. Sadly, i am well prepared. Yes, this video you sent me can be misinterpreted let me tell you why.
I can make a video exactly the same with all of the good verses in the Quran (and there are plenty). Yet these "satanic verses" are all repetative and all talk about hellfire - these verses have nothing to do with actions and how Muslims behave or treat people, this is strictly only Gods talk of hellfire- harsh in most faiths.
ramio1983 2 years ago
Yet the GOOD verses in the Quran i can point out are actually based on ACTIONS and how people must treat people with justice, love, kindness and tolerance. In my opinion this is MUCH more important in this life and in this world than the "painful doom" verses for the disbelievers.
The misinterpretation is right there, these verses all might as well be one and the same, but the beautiful verses of the Quran are abundant and different and improve relations between people and i can prove it.
ramio1983 2 years ago
alright, so in other words
the quran is full of good verses & bad ones. you can interpret them to do good, or bad. it could very well be that no two people on earth read the quran & get the exact same meaning from it.
you know what that means? it means the book doesn't do anything! it means people use it as they wish. it's like having an alphabet & using it to write whatever you want.
the point is, the quran, just like the bible is useless as a guide for moral teachings
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
... it's useless because it is (apparently) up to the reader to interpret the texts and to (apparently) gleam the positive message from the text and ignore the negative context. the holy books become nothing but vague and generalized metaphor's for behaviors in life. and what is the grand message then? what to be good? coudln't we have figured that out on our own? don't other religions teach that anyway? what is the difference if you believe in gods vs god if the subtext is BE GOOD?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I respect you bro i really do. I just wish there was even a hint of positivity Islam has shown you, it's not all bad news. The religion for me (which i have converted to myself) is a wonderful guide. The Quran is much more than a moral guide, it is such a reflective book, almost every chapter refers to nature, the beauty of the world, the complexity and even asks us to refer to our own selves. Proof of its influence is found in the Islamic Golden age, Islam helped shape the world for AGES.
ramio1983 2 years ago
The Quran is different than the Bible man. I guess every book has something to offer yes, but even from a non religious point of view the Quran is truely excellence in literature, it is the best piece of Arabic written, it is the guide for the language itself and with the Quran it means "the recital" hence the beauty is more in the listening to it, than the reading. The Quran flows in an amazing rhythm of rhyme flowing through with the context of its message, it is amazing and pure art.
ramio1983 2 years ago
You give in to the myth that the Prophet copied everything from the ancient Greeks. The problem with that theory is that if it WAS the case - the Greeks got very detailed when it came to embryology and the cosmos, so even though they got a few bits of information correct they had many,many grave errors in their statements.
Do you not find it odd that Mohammed filtered out basically all of the rubbish from the ancient Greeks and selected generally accurate segments only? Why is that?
ramio1983 2 years ago
"Do you not find it odd that Mohammed filtered out basically all of the rubbish from the ancient Greeks and selected generally accurate segments only? Why is that?"
here's the thing... he DIDN'T filter anything. the same errors the greeks were copied by mohammed and his band of scribes. it's quite easy to see this.
mohammed got his information in part from ancient greece, and in part from the bible. all of which are ridiculously false, including flat earth belief, moon chasing sun etc.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
He didn't filter anything? Are you kidding me? The greeks (like hypocrates) made many many statements which were absolutely incorrect about many things. In the Quran there is no evidence so support flat earth belief, and it does not say the moon chases the sun (at least not literally) because the prophet mentions they both swim in their OWN orbit (and yes the sun does have its own orbit).
As for the Bible the Quran doesn't mention a worldwide flood and many other differences.
ramio1983 2 years ago
good vid. muslim guys an idiot!!!! what "scientific" background??
xamot27 2 years ago
yea that guy was presenting a pretty weak argument - i can only assume by saying "scientific background" he was attempting to argue from authority.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
u srs?? that one about the msqin israel. muslims are beaten and discriminated in israel. that was a few people's views. does that mean all muslims feel that way??
1raqixox 2 years ago
the problem is that by islamic doctrine a muslim is not to fully integrate with any other culture. the other culture must either convert or submit to islam. this is true all over the world. just watch this clip, it comes all the way from australia where it's the same old story...
watch?v=tsiKVc028I0
so i'm not sure what you are trying to argue for, do you deny it? do you marginalize it? it's the truth, so what's your argument?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
why does there have to be an argument??
do u have a verse from the quran to back up ur point? the one where muslims cannot integrate with any other culture??
again u are putting all muslims by the views of some people. how do u kw that all muslims feel that way? i dont agree with that and i can asure u that the people that are converting to islam evryday dont either. btw im not trying to argue with u.
1raqixox 2 years ago
there is an argument because you don't agree with my video, where as i do.
i made my case in the video and backed it up in the video. obviously in islam the idea is that there is those who believe (muslims) and those who don't - and those who don't are either to convert to islam or submit to it as evident in the video i made. should i make another video showing you muslim "scholars" who say this? look up zakir naik for example, he says just that. people convert to every religion, so what.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Islam... No, thanks. Nice video.
KoranicToilet 2 years ago
How dishonest/ignorant you have to be to deny that Christians and Jews lived peacefully in the middle east for 1400 years? I'm sorry but those little clips you showed are not history. They are probably an instance of an instance of an instance of the history. And that's without going intro how accurately those clips represent any current situation. Non Muslims have been living peacefully in all Muslim countries for centuries and thts historically documented.
saqib09 2 years ago
nonsense.
i love you you first start off with an Ad hominem. classic. so you honestly believe that islam is nothing but a religion of peace who believe in turning the other cheek and letting other live and practice their religion just the same as anyone else?
you are saying that historically muslims have been peaceful with non muslims? this is b.s.
look here for starters:
sixdaywar (dot) org/myths-and-facts (dot) asp
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
hmm. I see. Do you want me to refute that entire web site in this comment section? I don't have that expertise anyway. I was trying to tell you this simple truth. For 1400 years Christians and Jews lived in the Muslim lands, where Muslims ruled. When the Christians were persecuting the Jews they took refuge in the Muslim lands. This is history my friend. If you deny this you simply do not know the history...period
saqib09 2 years ago
that's neither here nor there. you are trying to refute me by saying that even though it may appear that muslims prosecute non muslims in the middle east NOW, it wasn't always the case HISTORICALLY. so i sent you the link from the 6 day war as a way to establish it's been this way since BEFORE Israel was given to the Jews.
you must concede that today - non muslims in muslim states ARE not living in "peace". you want to nit pick history but to what end my friend, what end?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I concede.
saqib09 2 years ago
why do you think you atheist that you are always trying to prove that islam is wrong, even though thousands of scientist revert to islam every year and millions come to islam on a yearly basis if islam was wrong, why are so many intellectual people coming to islam, secoundly this guy in the video was ummah films he is actually a comedian who was posing question as a atheist would do so, by the way Muhammad peace be upon him did not die when he asended to the heavens you are really ignorant !!!!!
MrAlmuazzin 2 years ago
why do you believers always try to assert that your book is the word of the creator of the universe!?
"even though thousands of scientists revert to islam every year" ...bullshit
who cares how many people convert, it doesnt mean anything. if you want to play the numbers game, Hinduism beats Islam. now what?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
"by the way Muhammad peace be upon him did not die when he asended to the heavens you are really ignorant !!!!!"
ok so you believe that a human being magically floated up into the sky to where exactly, behind a cloud? and you say i am the ignorant one. dont worry, im sure a converted scientist will agree with you, heaven is in the atmosphere.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Quran(17:93)
Or thou have a house of gold; or thou ascend up into heaven, and even then we will put no faith in thine ascension till thou bring down for us a book that we can read. Say (O Muhammad): My Lord be Glorified! Am I aught save a mortal messenger ?
AmdanAbla99 2 years ago
One more thing who are those scientists converted to islam (I dont remember any)?
AmdanAbla99 2 years ago
Amdan-
if i had a dollar for every muslim who brought that up, I would have, uh, at least like, 100 bucks or so-
it's the bullshit about "scientific miracles" in the quran. it somehow made a resurgence on the internet, like the creationist's watchmaker nonsense etc...
it all stems from this bullshit propaghanda footage of a handful of scientists from the early 80s who later recanted their statements and confessed they did so out of greed... check this out:
watch?v=y8A9DEeglXI
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Ha ha ha I have seen enough of those nonsence drivels.Who decides those miracles or what ever they are scientific anyway?Quran itself indicates as well there is no miracles.If people can see the unexisting miracles like these,I call it miracle.I saw Keith Moore`s video and I tell you that guy shouldnt be called a scientist.
AmdanAbla99 2 years ago
I`m sorry I pasted the link wrongly and I came cross with Zakir Naiq again.I was talking about his videos as nonsence drivels and many others ofcourse.ha ha
AmdanAbla99 2 years ago
don't get me started on "dr. zakir"
i want a background check on this man.
did he REALLY study medicine and science?
because, what the fuck!?
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
craziness. it's total propaganda
even if a bonafide scientist actually believed that the quran WAS the word of the one responsible for the universe, he would base this belief NOT on science, but on something else. it would be based on something outside of science, so to say that even ONE scientist converted, or believes is in consequential. but if you are implying that a scientist has a good bullshit detector, then his conversion means nothing more then a flaw in his bullshit sensor
cheers ;)
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
> inconsequential. i was auto corrected.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
all the other books except the quran is correct and god says that in the book that this is the religion of truth
MrAlmuazzin 2 years ago
"god says that in the book that this is the religion of truth "
so the book is from god because it says it's from god? isn't that self-referencing? what if you look at the book objectively and decide for yourself who wrote it.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
CapnOrdinary: watch?v=m64tVi_rrLo
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
watch?v=uQg6x-K82IA
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
Yea Hassan is the man. i'll give you another good video, check this one out too-
watch?v=y8A9DEeglXI
AND
watch?v=xKy122yIKik
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
yes ... philhellenes ... !!!
lol ... your SUBS are almost IDENTICAL to mine ...
just take a look ... ;)
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
nice ... subscribed ...
keep it up ... !!!
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago
yea i will. thanks ;)
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
I cant believe you`ve watched an entire video of him(ummahfilms or Ali Baba,whatever the name).Every time I try to watch one, I`m loosing my patience, before the first minutes end.I believe his scientific backround mean is the scientific reserches he`s been subjected to (pshcoteraphy on chimps etc)
AmdanAbla99 2 years ago
I was a Muslim 10 years a go but when I investigated Islam without bias , I found out I was wrong, Now I'm an Atheist, because Islam is the worst way of life. Music, Free speech , human rights , women rights and a lot more is prohibited. they will kill you if you leave Islam, it is considered their religious duty to do so. Thank you for posting this video hope it will bring some light to those who are in the illusion of light. I'm Godless and Free.
Persiancreed1 2 years ago 5
Go watch Dr. Zakir Naik videos on Quran and Science.
slaveofgod837 2 years ago
Yea I did. Dr. Naik is either not as smart as his credentials would have you believe, or he really IS that smart and chooses to misinform his listeners.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
If you graduate medical school without thinking evolution is a fact you're NOT a doctor.
Greywyn7 2 years ago
Suggesting sitting down with this guy and discussing it "like MEN" implies that he had something unique to say, when in fact, pick any Muslim, or any believer and they would have virtually the exact same "evidence".
circular logic
intelligent designer
watchmaker analogy
i'm sure kalam's argument would surface
except i think with this guy he was actively lying about having a scientific background. either that or he dismisses his background when it's convienient to his beliefs
thanks by the way
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
thanks for the complement pikacho-.
I can't say for sure that this guy is lying, if it's true that he has a scientific background and he practices scientific methodology then he would have to lie to himself in order to believe the B.S. he was pushing in his video.
or he doesn't have a scientific background and he lied about that-
or he's not lying at all, & he's doesn't know what the hell he's talking about
so are you a practicing muslim?
i gather that you studied engineering in saudi...
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
good job
that idiot is a lier he didnt study islam and found it suitable for him
he was brought up to believe this
trust i was a muslim and his claims was givn to me in a regular basis for 17 years of education in saudi arabia even when i was studieng engineering in university!
pickacho4ever 2 years ago
did he say?
"The gift of a slam"
Relativisticism 2 years ago
lol, well, i guess that means you watched it all! awesome.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
i sure do hope so
BloodAsAp 2 years ago
Subbed. :D
philhellenes 2 years ago
thank you my man.
TheEarthAbides 2 years ago
Mate find a better job...
and you are GAY looking
try hard next time
it didnt work this time
afghan303 2 years ago