I would strongly recommend to all the debate here on youtube Dr. Michael Brown and Harry Knox... Dr. Brown completely demolishes any basis for a bible-based apologetic of homosexual & unnatural affection behavior. It's so hard to imagine how these matters can be made clearer where God stands when the Apostle Paul clearly states: DO NOT BE DECEIVED (one might infer that he is clearly stating that there are those who WILL intentionally try to therefore DECEIVE you)
So if a person is born with a homosexual orientation… that means that they are gay by divine right? Well, then I guess people who are born with a homicidal orientation are murderers by divine right. So, where do we get off shunning murderers? They have gifts and talents for thinning the human race that certain religious groups just look down on. They’re made in the image and likeness of God just as they are. We need to stop arresting murderers and let them be the way God made them.
What you really mean is that anyone who disgrees with you isn't a TRUE Christian. That's the exact line of reasoning used by the Inquisition to justify torturing & burning Protestants at the stake, and by Protestants to justify tortring & killing Catholics. That's what the "good Christians" of Carthage, IL used to justify the murder of Joseph Smith.
That's exactly what our Founders opposed when they set up the seperation of church & state.
FYI - homosexuality is not in the Bible, not a sin!
You know what, When God say something then it's it. Who are you to change or twist what He said! There's many Gods but there's only one true God, He is the One what we know and heard about the Lord Jesus.
You can say all you need, do all you want, but know that God will bring all of your deed on your head and you will be cast into hell forever with no more time to end. You know indeed that we all going to die no escape.
The bible said: all homo-sexual, liars, sinners, etc will be cast into hell.
SATAN IS A LIAR--BEWARE OF HIS DEVICES;Satan wants to deceive as many as he can and take them down to HELL with him,you see Satan knows his end is near! We all have sin & this is why God knew we needed a Saviour! GOD MADE A WAY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL! Jesus paid the price for sin with the shedding of his blood on the Cross of Calvary,so we don't have to die in our sins & go to HELL,but we first must humbly come before him & repent of our sins,MAKE HIM YOUR LORD & SAVIOUR B4 IT'S 2 LATE!
@2013andwag And the two ministers that said beingHomo is a gifdt of God should be on TV?? what is wrong with you? you do not deserve ot make comments on this blog!!
If you truly want to know what the bible says about you should study it for yourself... starting with the story of Soddom (which a lot of "Christians" use to deny us Gay Christians). Seriously people, its time to really stop accepting what has been given to us over the pulpits and study the word for ourselves. You will see a little more clearly. And as for this host he's more intent on insulting people...
Are you kidding me???? Comparing Gay to Rape?!?! This guy is truly an idiot! It's amazing how people will say being gay is against the bible but it's been proven that 85% of declared Christians do not read it or study it.
1.The Bible is the Word of God on paper, Jesus is the Word of God in Flesh
Beyond that, while the Bible is NOT God, Jesus IS.
2.According those who KNEW them & the first 300 yrs of Christianity they were.
3.The Bible does not deny her & many other women's discipleship or that women were looked down on in that day. But there's a big difference between an Apostle & a Disciple. Jesus was reflecting the 12 Tribes in His Apostles, none of them were women.
You didn't watch the 3 part video. Did you? Cause the hold THE ORIGINAL BIBLE and not you. So everything you wrote is irrelevant since you haven't seeing the video.
IS A MUST SEE VIDEO
Again l strongly suggest you and all christians should watch it!
CHECK THIS 3 PART VIDEO OUT AND LEARN:
Biblical mysteries explained - Lost gospels part 1.mpg
1.on the Spiritual level, The 3 part video is not the standard of Truth. God & His Word are.
2. on the academic level the facts speak for themselves; If I want to know about a historical event I reference those who were there(the 1st century-Disciples) & consistancy(2,000 yrs of doctrine-c3,800 counting the Old Testament-) not those who weren't there(the 2nd century Gnostics) & their inconsistancies.
@NuLaifMusic then again we & the universe are jacked up as a result of what happened in Eden. Just because something is the way it is doesn't mean God intended it to be so.
@NuLaifMusic FOR ONE TO SAY,WE HAVE NO SIN,THE SIN REMAINS and Judgement Will come to that person. JESUS WAS SENT FROM GOD TO PAY THE PRICE OF ALL OUR SINS,but we,my friend,have to confess are sin and turn away from sin,we all have sin,but not all are sorry for sin,some love sin so much they refuse to give it up,thus spending ETERNITY in HELL,so SAD BUT TRUE. Are you willing to gamble your soul away? JESUS CHRIST is the way, the truth and the life. The Blood of Jesus, is for remission of Sin.
A lesbian had a Near Death Experience and she went to heaven and she asked why I'm not in Hell? They told her why would you go there you show and gave LOVE to everyone and that's all that matters, now is not your time so you most return... (She's now a Gay Christian)
And makes you think...
Do spirits have sex? NO!
So how important is sexuality, really.
He's main message was about LOVE.
Choose a soulmate & be faithful and show LOVE to EVERYONE! GBY!
That proves it wasn't heaven & that it wasn't God or His angels or His children who talked to her because;
A.NOBODY goes to heaven because they show or give love-since our love is not enough to meet God's standard of righteousness-
B.Jesus came to fulfill not destroy the Mosaic Law & the Prophets given by God; If He is THE fulfillment of God's promises then there is no room for ANYTHING that contradicts His promises(homosexuality or otherwise).
1."Do spirits have sex?"; If you're referring to gender yes because God is male & angels only appear as male in the Scripture.
2.If you're referring to copulation no because copulation isn't part of the Divine or angelic nature(but a temporary gift for humans to reflect an eternal principle; Intimacy with God-the Groom-& humanity-the Bride-). Thus, if God's pattern of 1 man 1 woman for 1 lifetime is not followed it contradicts His analogy.
@NuLaifMusic I'm not suggesting you accept my speculations, rather;
That Salvation is by Grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone as revealed via Scripture alone
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The fact that life after death experiences-Christian or otherwise- are on record to not immediately transport people to the afterlife, but-as often as not-to a very brief in between state(allowing for satan's deceit).
A.They're from the mid-late 2nd century onward written by people who therefore could not know Jesus
B.They present a Greco-Roman philosopher not consistant with the early 1st century Jewish Rabbi from Roman Judea of History & the Bible.
C.The "lost gospels'" authors were Gnostics; an offshoot of the Greco-Roman mystery religions from long before Christ's day who tried to shoehorn their way into JudeoChristianity.
Look up the word eunuch and if you think that a natural born eunuch isnt a gay person you are crazy!! And GOD said he has a place for them in heaven better than the names of sons and daughters!!! Christians today need to step back and take the bible for what the hebrew text meant, not the english text!! In translation the real words were lost!!! Jesus loves me this I know for the BIBLE tells me so!! Maybe you should quit cherry picking though it and you would see that to!!
Do any of you judgmental Christians eat shrimp cuz that's an abomination as well according to the bible is it not and in addition so are many other things that people do all the time so if your going to say gay people are going to hell so are women that where pants and people who are married to divorced spouses
1.The latest medical findings shellfish aren't healthy 'cause they're bottom feeders(garbage desposals). It's called a physical picture of a Spiritual principle.
2.The context is crossdressing not fashion trends.
3.Divorce & remarriage context; "Whoever divorces his wife except for marrital unfaithfulness". Logic dictates if your spouce abuses or neglects you it's the same as if they're cheating on you).
The Bible plainly states in the New Testament, in Jude 1:7...
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strangeflesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." The term "going after strange flesh" is explained to us in Proverbs 7:5 and Romans 1:26-27...
"That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words."
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
"Going after strange flesh" in the Bible is not necessarily homosexuality, as we are warned about the "strange" adulterous woman in Proverb 5:20; 7:5; but, the context of Jude 1:7 clearly implies homosexuality. "Going after strange flesh" means going after flesh "different" than what is rightfully ours to claim (our spouse's body -1st Corinthians 7:4). Notice that Jude mentions both "fornication" and "going after strange flesh."
Obviously, Sodom's sins were more than fornication, and certainly more than a "lack of hospitality." The "strange" flesh simply refers to that which is forbidden by God for us to have, it is flesh outside the bounds of God's laws; hence, the term "sexual deviance" (to deviate from what is acceptable to God).
The "filthy conversation" of the wicked, literally means, the "filthy manner of life" of the wicked. Hence, Sodom and Gomorrah were saturated with sexual deviance, filthy behavior, and every form of godlessness known to mankind. This today could be likened to Sayville, New York--a town so gay that it is commonly referred to as "Gayville," or of "Sin City" Las Vegas in Nevada and the rest of gays all over the world who practice sexual deviance...
What do you expect when they gays are with their lovers nowadays? Surely forbidden games is being applied. Do you actually expect us to believe that homosexuality wasn't being practiced in Sodom? Jude 1:7 plainly tells us that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sexual sins. We read in Genesis 13:13, "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." God said that the men of Sodom were sinners EXCEEDINGLY!
Surely a person does not need a degree in theology, to know that the word EXCEEDINGLY meant that these men of Sodom were rotten to the core. These weren't petty criminals. Genesis 19:4-9 tells us about two angels who were sent by God to deliver Lot, and his family, out of Sodom.
The angels came in the appearance of regular men. The homosexuals in the city of Sodom wanted to rape the two visitors.
In fact, Verse 4 tells us that ALL the men of Sodom were outside their door. It is obvious to anyone who believes the Word of God, that Sodom was predominantly homosexual, and these homosexuals were violent (as is often the case today). by David J. Stewart
Another gay teen committed suicide today 10/25/2011. Jamie Hubley. He was bullied because he was gay. Seems some so called Christians don't give a crap when a kid kills himself. Why do I say this, because of the crap Christian teaching that tell gays they are disordered, an abomination. 1st that is flat out wrong as being gay is not a sin, not in the Bible; 2nd its not Jesus like is it?
Really Christian history rife with blood, when will we learn?
Context yes, you know very well I have answered each and every one of your 'concerns' or disagreements in translation / interpretation of the big 7 verses.
Read my prior posts they answer all the questions you keep asking-really.
As I said I am done discussing this with you, as I feel - no, I know you are flat out wrong-someday you will know this as well I pray.
Now have you dealt with the fact I was born gay? Have you dealt with the fact I am married to my same sex partner?
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
It is amazing how the bible is fulfilling itself. Why is it so hard for homosexuals to beleive that what they are doing is wrong? I dont hate them nor fear them I actually feel sorry for them and pray that they come to the knowledge of the truth.
@pastorbobmack BECAUSE ITS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE U WRETCHED FUCK! U IGNORANT FUCK.. I CANT STaND PEOPLE LIKE U I JUST CANNOT U HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE HOW MUCH I HATE YOUR CIRCULAR LOGIC IT DRIVES ME FUCKING INSANE. SHUT THE FUCK UP-- YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!
The most important thing is that GOD clearly proves that being gay is okay, and that's all that counts. Ignorant men may flail around and stomp their feet in fury at the Lord's decision to create, love, and keep His gay children right here on His planet, as part of His divine plan, but it will never get them anywhere. Gay is okay according to the Lord. Why argue with Him?
Lets see John M. Jesus in his 30s, not married, unheard of back then (unless you look at the gospels that were kept out of the Bible) hangin with 12 boyfriends. What ya think sound gay? What about John saying Jesus loved him more (was he the jealous type-that is in the Bible). Sound gay? What if Jesus was gay,; would that make him less then he was / is? Would you reject him if he were gay? Would it change his teachings?
Just some thoughts. Oh ya John homosexuality is not in the Bible.
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, ur life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
@droptozro I do not lie that you, the nut in this vid is paid to lie, and does it well. Romas, if you knew the Bible you would know Paul was not talking about homosexuals, but about pagan sex acts usually performed in pagan temples to please their 'gods' including all kinds of sex acts including castrations and worse. You really need to read the Bible in context and sturdy some history. Man did you get this verse wrong, nothing there about homosexuality, not 1 word
There is nothing in the context to support a dime of what you said, you are of Romans 1--you suppress the truth in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS and you're on your way to hell with a wicked punishment for lying to others.
I've studied the history, go look into the Ante-Nicene church if you'd like, know it well and how the apostles taught.
Even verses 26-27 condemn your lies, it says their passions were vile and unnatural, full of lust---all of which are sin. Repent liar!
@droptozro I suppress the truth, open your eyes, read the Bible in context you will find what I say is truth. You may not want it to be but it is. Then you call me a liar-is that a judgement?
Im gay, Im Christian, God made me this way, can't pray it away its what God created. Really open your eyes.
I will untwist the crap Christian teaching like this vid every chance I get.
I pray one day you will walk into the light and see the truth of Holy Scripture.
Yes it's a judgment, I judge righteously as Jesus commanded---people make judgments every single day and we're commanded by Christ to judge righteously. Paul commanded that we judge--ESPECIALLY those who call themselves Christian and don't live it properly. Jesus and all the apostles were against hypocritical judgement.
You were not created that way--you've deceived yourself, even I had homosexual temptations growing up, I just did not fulfill them--you're not different (cont)
@droptozro you say you judge righteously, just how do you know God will look at it that way? And how do you know I or anyone doesn't live properly? Wow b careful God knows all, and looks to me like you are stepping over a line, I hope thats not true.
FYI everyone has temptations when growing up. Again you say I was not born gay-just how do you know that, its not in the book that u seem to put above Christ. Again I was born gay deal with it, and do not put a book above Christ.
@chicraig6421 (cont...different than anyone else according to Scripture(1 Cor 10:13).
You enjoy listening to Lady Gaga--who is a liar, a deceiver, and a wicked woman. I really pray she repents--wow what a win that would be for her to turn to God truly and be set free. She's going to have a horrid judgment also unless she does. You are listening to her sin.
You're not a Christian, stop fooling yourself. You blaspheme the Son of God by calling yourself that and not living it properly.
@droptozro yes I enjoy Lady Gaga and many other entertainers as well, I find her to be a hoot; and Im very old. I didnt know Lady Gaga was a preacher like the nut in this vid, yes I think she is nuts as well.
So stop fooling yourself, there is only 1 teacher you need to follow and thats Jesus, who said not 1 word about homosexuality did he?
u say Lady G will have a horrid judgement, I just don't know how you know what God will do with Lady Gaga. R U speaking for God?
And really, I can't count the number of other unbiblical things you said in your quote---I have no issue that God have a benevolent love for His creation, but there's only a few verses that even state that and multiple others that say we need to fear, obey, listen, repent, live and die for Him. Actually Jesus said His love was conditional(John 14:15, John 15:10).
I see all sorts of sin about you, your profile, your words, your favorites all show you condemned, not saved.
@droptozro Wow put down my profile did u see my train vids, still working on it.
Did I tell you I am married to my same sex partner, married in Davenport Iowa that great honey moon destination. Oh and married in a Christian (a ture Christian) Church, by a real live Christian preacher. Ya see, homosexuals are not an abomination, can't be God created us. I'v been with my partner for almost 17 years, gee longer than many marriages I know of. Ya see, we were born gay, the way God created us-really
You are living in sin and calling yourself a Christian, you have more than likely never known Jesus according to 1 John 3:1-10. Go read it.
I know people who've repented of homosexuality, and one man who ripped up his homosexual support sign in front of us and repented of his sin... amazing! You can too!
You need to realize your sin though, you've been exposed for what you are and I warned you in love. Please think about it! Your sexual lifestyle is not worth your soul!
@droptozro I am a Christian, and yes I sin everyone does, don't you? However, homosexuality is not a sin as I have discussed b4. I know people who were married, and could no longer live trying to change what God created them to be gay.
You need to realize I was born gay, it was not a choice, who would make that choice? You deal with that fact - gays are born that way- you will start to see the truth of Scripture. My lifestyle is no different then my straight friends. r u judging me / gays?
Yes I'm judging you, I'm warning you of what Jesus and the other apostles taught. You have made up false Jesus in your mind. I see all these words and nothing to show that you know Christ from the Bible.
No we don't all continue in sin, those who continue in sin do not know Jesus--they're liars(go read 1 John 2:1-10 and 1 John 3:1-10).
You're asking me to accept your experience over against what God has said, so I say a resounding "NO!" You need to submit to the true God.
@droptozro Let me warn you as you try to warn me - judging will not get you to Jesus - that is in the BIble; while the book is silent on homosexual orientation.
I am not asking you to except my experience over God I would not do that, however I am telling you God made me who I am and he does not make mistakes. I was gay from birth-deal with it.
No, we're allowed to judge. God will JUDGE the world, and it's not a sin to judge. We must judge righteously, go read all of Matthew 7:1-5 to get the full context. You're making judgments right now also, but yours are incorrect according to Scripture.
You were not born that way, you're deceived--go read 1 Cor 6:9-10.. it says clearly don't let anyone deceive you and you've allowed that. You will not inherit the Kingdom, your words versus Scripture--yours are false.
@droptozro We are allowed to judge - ok - I judge you to be flat out wrong homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible.
Careful with the judge stuff - people commit suicide because of crap Christian preacher and teachings. You push someone to inflict pain on themselves, you are as guilty as they are. Always ask yourself is this Jesus like. The guy in this vid is so far from Jesus like, hes more like satan like if you ask me-oh i just judged didnt I, but its ok u said so. really
You obviously do not believe the Bible nor are you reading any of the things I'm quoting are you? This is not opinion versus opinion, I don't just speak my own words. Until you actually address the passages I'm asking you to look at, this is useless. You have no grounds to judge anything, you're a bad tree and you're trying to tell me I'm in sin(even though you have no proof)---yet I see your fruit and you admit you're in sin, which means you need to repent.
@droptozro You obviously do not know now to read the Bible. What I say is not my opinion, it is Biblical fact that u either choose to ignore, or mis interpret, either way u r flat wrong and many Christians know this; hope 1day u will as well. Homosexuality is not a sin.
I am bad tree, actually I am a God made human, gay from birth u r wrong again. Do not twist my words, i said everyone sins, that includes u and me; unless u r Jesus? Stop the crap teaching, and repent, knowing gay is not a sin
1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
It says clearly, do not be deceived, you are... end of point. Tire dof this, I'm not still in my sins, you admit you are--which makes you a liar and of the devil.
You're a bad tree, bad fruit, you do not know Jesus as He said and John confirmed in 1st John 2:1-10 and 1 John 3:1-10. You're teaching others to disobey God, you're teaching others against the Scriptures and the true God, you've made up one in your mind to suit your desires and been idolatrous. I rebuke you in love so that you might hear this truth and be truly set free from your wickedness in Christ. Hear IT! It's a harsh warning, don't go to hell! Repent!
@droptozro You calling me a bad fruit - really I have been called much much worse than that - want to try and get the queer again. How Christian of you - not.
You are no Christian I would want to know, and something tells me Jesus might have the same problem.
Think about it, think about what you wrote.
Homosexual orientation is not a sin, its not in the Bible nothing to repent for.
I'm not looking to call you names, I'm called to examine your fruit and yours is wicked. I warn you because I love you and want you to repent. See Ezek 33, Paul employed this also in Acts with the Jews. True Christians love their professing brothers/sisters enough to tell them the truth, no matter how harsh you see it--I'm obeying Jesus by doing this, He said to rebuke and I do so that you might truly know Him. I truly fear for your judgment if you do not.
@droptozro Again with name calling and not very good either - now Im wicked fruit. Really u can do better can't you? You say u love me u don't know me, God know me, and better than I know me. You say you are obeying Jesus really try Mica 6-8 and square that with your comments; it does not. I do truly know Jesus he has saved me; I have a feeling you think you know Jesus but do not. What u know is a book, you need to know Jesus. Ask him for guidance, he will help you as he helped me. God bless
@chicraig6421 You're deceived, you think you know Jesus---how do you KNOW that you know Him? I'm looking for an answer to this, because Scripture tells us this and you do not seem to want to submit to it.
So please, answer the question--this is your soul on the line, what is your evidence that you know Him since you're constantly contradicting the words He and His apostles taught?
@droptozro How do I know I know Jesus simple he saved me. How do you know you know Jesus?
I do not contradict His words, it is you and crap preacher like this vid that do that very well. I just try to tell the truth of Scripture. Scripture you seem to be blind to.
You use the word 'submit' exactly what do you mean by that.
"simple he saved me"---He did, from what? You're still in your sins, Jesus came to save us from our sins, if you're still in your sins you're not saved. Are you looking up ANY of the verses I reference you? You're still telling me to hold your experience over what was written in the Scriptures. (Matt 1:21, John 8:31-47). You're still a slave of sin and you will go to hell if you don't repent.
I've given you reference after reference of Jesus' words, you contradict Him.
@droptozro When you say I'm still in my sins (as are you), I agree we are all sinners. However if you are referring to homosexuality, its not a sin. You call me a slave of sin, well slavery is in the Bible, did u want to own me or just toss the 1st stone to kill me (but that again thats goes against the 10 does it not). I am very familiar with the Bible have 6 I read, and ya know what, put them side by side verse to verse and they do not say the same thing. me thinks it u that contradicts Him
The nut in vid knows this but lies - Homosexuality is seeming barred by Mosaic Law, much of which, such as divorce, was contested by Christ leaving parts of the Law He didn't mention in question. Paul seems to condemn it in 1 Cor. but it is in reference to prostitution. Neither this nor the pagan orgy he mentioned in Rom. is reflective of all homosexual relations any more than the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her tears or David and Bathsheba's affair is of all heterosexuals unions.
Is it also ironic that although sodomites and lesbians only makeup about 5% of the population, they account for over 50% of ALL Pedophilia? I think not. It is an un-natural lust, a mis-placed desire to be satisfied. Many stem from a lack of real fatherly love as a child, some from being molested, but they most certainly are not born that way. "Nature" reproduces itself. Anything UN Natural cannot reproduce itself. I pray that God reveal the truth of this deception so that you may be saved.
@bcuzbro Where pray tell did you get that stat on gays accounting for 50% of all pedophile? That is not the truth and you most likely know it, why lie? Then u go on to play shrink with lack of real fatherly love as a kid, or being molested. Really you need to read up some on that as u are wrong again. Then you say unnatural. Interesting how homosexuality is in all species on earth. Would u please quite spreading crap, including the Bible crap as Homosexuality is not a Sin. Get a grip.
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1Ki 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: [and] they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Homosexuality serves no purpose other than a dark lust. Homosexuality has proven to reduce life span by up to 30 years or more. Homosexuality has attached to it not only a variety of cancers that "normal" sexual appetites do not have, but as well an astronomical increase in psychological issues, suicide, alcoholism, drug use, and beyond all of the facts of that, it is most certainly NOT biblical. It is a damnable sin lest repented of. Check the Latin Vulgate, Greek and Hebrew. No "good" in gay.
@bcuzbro Are you a queer, or in the closet? U seem to know so much about homosexuality - let me quote you - Homosexuality serves no purpose other than a dark lust.Homosexuality has attached to it not only a variety of cancers that "normal" sexual appetites do not have, Check the Latin Vulgate, Greek and Hebrew. No "good" in gay.'
Jesus can help you, read the Bible in context you will see gay is not a sin, and God loves you, he created you as you are queer or not.
@chicraig6421 The god you serve is of demons and hell. You cannot be a man divided in mind and spirit. Queer is queer. Sodomites will have their place in hell lest they repent. It is that simple. How on earth can you possibly read the bible and determine that being a nasty sodomite is ok? Remember Sodom and Gomorah? Hello??? Natural relationships produce offspring, all you produce is nastiness. You keep praying to your God, because one thing I know beyond any doubt, God is not a God of chaos.
@bcuzbro Here you go judging again-really very Jesus like. Let me ask you how on Gods earth can you read the Bible, what Paul wrote in his letters & not know it was not about homosexual orientation? Sodom & Gomorrah not about gays look to Ezekiel 16:48 for he answer. I pray to God often, I will pray you see the truth re:gays. Homosexuality is a normal as water and air.
R U in the closet and troubled cuz you sound like it. Jesus will help you as he did me, pray with an open heart
@chicraig6421 Satan is an accuser of the brethren. The deception you have received is from God, that much is sure. He has given you over to your lusts and depravity. What earthly good comes from sodomites? Are you producing children to worship God? Is your lifestyle one that if everyone done it, it would bring glory to God and prolong life and happiness? I think we know the answer to that. I will not answer further, no need. It is foolishness to you and that is ok. I serve a mighty God!
Gay is NOT ok. If they bothered to ask Jesus instead of depending upon whatever makes them feel good in their burning lusts, perhaps they would see that they will be damned to hell lest they repent. How truly sad that they would twist and manipulate the Word of God, trusting in new translations making all sin ok. I guess, like Rob Bell thinks, everyone goes to heaven? Really??? Love REQUIRES Justice. God does NOT love everyone. Psalm 5:5,6 as a beginning. Duh!
@bcuzbro You are flat out wrong - gay is ok it is not a sin. You need to ask Jesus he will show you the truth. You say repent - if you are referring to homosexuality there is nothing to repent for, its not a sin. You say trusting in new translations, really, look at Bibles prior to 1929 and now to see how they have changed translations-really. Look at Christian history and tell me it has not changed over the years. Burn witches, slavery, interracial marriage, medical science. Learn the Bible
@chicraig6421 Sincerely, I will pray for you that God release you from the cloud of doubt you are in. Homosexuality is not natural, or normal. If it were normal, the sex between two men could produce something other than sickness and disease and tremendous pain, doubt and despair. Those who claim to be happy are only lying to themselves. The burning of witches, slavery and such is a straw man argument. It is foolish to use a tit for tat. What sickness and pain you bring to yourself. exodus
@bcuzbro Thank you I will pray for you as well, that God will show you the truth of Holy Scripture, that homosexual orientation is not a sin. FYI- homosexuality is very natural look at nature, its there; so how you make that claim is beyond me. The only pain I suffered as a gay male was in my younger years (Im old) when i was called names and beat upon because of who God made me. Do you really think I (back them) wanted to be gay-really. Im married (in Iowa) to a man, for over 16 years.
Who is this nut - how can one equate rape with homosexuals? Talk about lack of logic really. I would say if one talks like the nut in the vid you are not a Christian. Sir - homosexuality is not a sin, and how can you get off saying 'people hate God'? Realy. You get paid for this so I guess then its ok to prostitute one self for $ as thats what ur doing. Wow ur voice is to irritating, I'm having a hard time finishing the vid. I'll pray u see the light and stop the crap.
@EmetTalmudim6 Oh my you claim to know how God thinks, do you really think he thinks like u or me-really. WOW.
Since you brought up Hitler - did you know the Bible, the Christian Bible was use to support the Third Reich-Hitler. Part of our great Christian history. Now its the gays cuz we don't burn witches or own slaves in the USA anymore. Don't u ever wonder who will be next after the gays, as that crap shall pass like the rest of Christian crap teaching. Really read the Bible in context.
@chicraig6421 for me to properly answer your comment about Hitler & his use of the NT you'll have to answer my question about the unalienable equality & right to life, liberty & the pursuit of haoppiness of all people; or you won't get any answer I give from here on out.
@EmetTalmudim6 what is ur question. You quoted part of the USA Constitution, which yes I agree with and would (did) fight to defend. One further - there is separate of Church and State.
So you agree the Bible was used to support Hitler, and as I said, burning of witches, owning slaves, restrict medical science, and on and on. Now the Bible is used against gays, this will change as the above crap has, then the questions is who will be next, the Jews again, or maybe people with blue eyes?
@chicraig6421 that being the case, Are those principles any less true because there have been & are still people who have misused those principles (often justifying themselves & their actions behind said principles) to deny the benafits of those principles to others?
@chicraig6421 you never answered my question. For sake of clarity; the point is, & if you truly fully support the US Constitution & its' preamble, you realize, as I do, that just because some people misuse the principles of those documents while claiming to support & uphold them in no way makes them any less true.
It's the same with Hitler-a Gentile-using a JEWISH BOOK(the NT)distorted with Darwinian based Eugenics &
Neo-occultism; It doesn't make the NT any less true.
@chicraig6421 Bottom line; Misuse of a truth (in this case God's book delivered via the Jews hijacked by a Gentile who din't know God) renders it no less true.
"the Bible is silent on 'the gay=sin question'";
1.Not according to the LITERAL meaning, which I've already given you.
2.If Jesus came to Fulfill & Not destroy the Law or the prophets (His claim not mine) then there's no place for homosexuality in the believer's life.
@EmetTalmudim6 That tells me you have not read the Bible in context since homosexuality is not in the BIble. I have over and over talked about the '7' verses most often sited as gay=sin. Each verse taken in context with others tells the truth of Holy Scripture. The Bible is actually silent on homosexuality. So you can read it how ever you want, distort the Bible how ever you want, talk about prophets and all, and you would be flat out wrong. Sorry, gay is ok not a sin, not in the Bible.
@EmetTalmudim6 Like I said you need to read the Bilbe in contest, and I'll add ask Jesus for guidance when you do. You will see homosexuality is not in the Bible. You may want it to be because that is what you were are taught, but sorry to say homosexuality is not a sin, not in the Bible. Oh LITERAL or not, gay is OK
@EmetTalmudim6 Sorry you gave me what u think the literal meaning is, I tell you read in context for the correct Bible teaching.
Do you have a problem with that. Oh maybe if you read the Bible in context you would see homosexuality is not a sin and that would blow your mind or your Christian doctrine. Sorry if you Christian doctrine says gay=sin, or are an abomination or dis ordered. well your doctrine is wrong. God does not make mistakes and guess what God made gays. Deal with it.
@chicraig6421 all the other verses on the subject are the context; As I said, their consistent repidity determines interpretation. And the consistent repidity (consitency) of all the other verses is according to God homosexuality is a sin.
@EmetTalmudim6 Again you pick and choose, and don't read or want to read the Bible in context.
I pray someday you will see the truth of Holy Scripture. Until then do not go pervert Holy Scripture like the nut in the vid and spread crap Christianity.
Let me see what was it Jesus said about this all consuming topic - homosexuality, on ya Jesus said nothing. Did you ever read the gospel of Thomas, it was left out of the BIble?
1.ALL the verses on the subject (Not just what Jesus said); Vital Since ACCORDING TO JESUS He came to FULFILL not DESTROY the Law & the Prophets & since ALL the verses are Divinely Dictated, Inspired, & Preserved.
2.Given that Jesus's earthly ministry was directed at 1st century Orthodox Jews (who didn't practice such behavior) talking about homosexuality would be pretty pointless.
@EmetTalmudim6 Oh ya how silly of me there were no homosexuals 2000 + yrs ago its a new thing. Let see the actual word is new in the Bible as it never existed in any Bible prior to 1952, or the early 50s 52 may not be exact-but you can fact check that. Wasn't it in the early 1900 (again not sure exact date) when homosexual orientation entered the medical books. So you must be correct gays are a new thing, to ur point wonder why God started to create gays in the 1900s, I know he created me gay
1.What I said was Jesus preaching "Stop being homosexual" to 1st century Orthodox Jews is like a Medieval nobleman going to his retainers & saying "You know what we need that we don't have guys; we need a Feudal system!" A little pointless.
2.The lack of a linguistically clarifying Theological term prior to when it was needed is equally pointless (the principle is in the texts even if the transligual term isn't).
@EmetTalmudim6 So now you tell me 'prior to when it was needed' I guess you are speaking of the actual word homosexual in the Bible, is pointless. I think this is pointless as you will not read the Bible in context, oh no and only pick and choose. Maybe you really think the entire Bible is pointless, many do. It is pointless to post to you as you are blind. God made me gay from birth, God saved me, God gave me a same sex partner, we married in Gods Church in Iowa, by a Christian minister.
1.It's called translation equivelancy; the phrase may change from language to language, but the principle remains the same (Example; Hello, Hola, Nihao, Salam, Si'yo-The words are different the principle remains the same(Hello)-As regards the Bible; Thou shalt not Murder, You will not Murder, Do Not Murder, Don't Murder(the phraseology changes the principle remains).
2.The point of the Feudal analogy is it's preaching to the choir on an issue not being practiced by the choir.
@EmetTalmudim6 There you go again with excuses for your mis-understanding of the Bible and making excuses for mis-translations calling them equivalency. Really tell me then about the Greek word 'arsenokoitai', and how it was re-re-or mis-mis translated. Can't wait for this one. Dig deep as its really interesting if one looks at many scholars and goes back some.
FYI - I don't preach, just inform. Unlike the nut in this vid who twists and turns and yes I'll even say lies.
1.Then why did the literal Hebrew & Greek text I gave you before say otherwise?(& since the Text can't be wrong & you're not perfect what's that tell you?)
2.I was refering to my analogy as to why Jesus, a 1st century Orthodox Jew, didn't have to tell other
1st century Orthodox Jews not to be homosexual; because they weren't doing such things, thus it'd be a little pointless to tell them to stop what they weren't doing. If He'd been in Greece or Rome it'd be an issue.
@EmetTalmudim6 My my with the big words and the 1 & 2s really. Why did you not answer my question about a Greek word. Could it be it never ment homosexual as it was mis-translated it from the start? So ur entire rant is baseless. Could that be, I know that would make you flat out wrong, I think you would have a hard time with being wrong. so go check out the Greek word, its origin and translation changes as the Bible changed over time, or I know literal, but what version of the literal Bible
The Orthodox Study Bible (From the original Greek Text)
The New JPS Translation (From the original Hebrew Text)
Note; If I can be wrong about translating so can you. Also God would not allow His Word to be corrupted in such a way without KEEPING the truth in the forefront(IE the Received Text).
@EmetTalmudim6 Yes exactly, humans are fallible. His word has been corrupted, look at Christian history.
Bible used to support, Hitlers 3rd Reich, the Holocaust, crusades, inquisitions, slavery; the Bible used to oppose medial science, burn women as witches, used to support the Ku Klux Klan, I could go on but you get the idea Im sure. So when you say God would not allow, you are flat out wrong, we are all human and all sinners. Gay is not a sin. That word Greek was coined by Paul-check it out
@EmetTalmudim6 Gee I feel the same way about what you say ....Sorry the information & your arguments' consequences are inconveniant for your position.
I know it hard to be wrong like the guy in the vid, guy I mean nut.
We are back to the truth - homosexuality is not in the Bible its not a sin..the circle is complete
I would strongly recommend to all the debate here on youtube Dr. Michael Brown and Harry Knox... Dr. Brown completely demolishes any basis for a bible-based apologetic of homosexual & unnatural affection behavior. It's so hard to imagine how these matters can be made clearer where God stands when the Apostle Paul clearly states: DO NOT BE DECEIVED (one might infer that he is clearly stating that there are those who WILL intentionally try to therefore DECEIVE you)
shieldsff 2 weeks ago
So if a person is born with a homosexual orientation… that means that they are gay by divine right? Well, then I guess people who are born with a homicidal orientation are murderers by divine right. So, where do we get off shunning murderers? They have gifts and talents for thinning the human race that certain religious groups just look down on. They’re made in the image and likeness of God just as they are. We need to stop arresting murderers and let them be the way God made them.
serrocXIII 2 weeks ago
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What you really mean is that anyone who disgrees with you isn't a TRUE Christian. That's the exact line of reasoning used by the Inquisition to justify torturing & burning Protestants at the stake, and by Protestants to justify tortring & killing Catholics. That's what the "good Christians" of Carthage, IL used to justify the murder of Joseph Smith.
That's exactly what our Founders opposed when they set up the seperation of church & state.
FYI - homosexuality is not in the Bible, not a sin!
chicraig6421 1 month ago
You know what, When God say something then it's it. Who are you to change or twist what He said! There's many Gods but there's only one true God, He is the One what we know and heard about the Lord Jesus.
You can say all you need, do all you want, but know that God will bring all of your deed on your head and you will be cast into hell forever with no more time to end. You know indeed that we all going to die no escape.
The bible said: all homo-sexual, liars, sinners, etc will be cast into hell.
chefsami 1 month ago
where can i find this show?!!!!!!!!
3BALL4 1 month ago
@3BALL4 Family Net
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@3BALL4 Its on the NRB Network (Direct TV chanel 378)
serrocXIII 2 weeks ago
Being homosexual is a gift from God in so far as the homo-sexual stoically abstains from the cross he specifically was given to carry.
thermionic1234567 1 month ago
sorry there's no such thang as a gay christian
tyhubb804 1 month ago
sorry ililihy no such thang as a gay christian
tyhubb804 1 month ago
SATAN IS A LIAR--BEWARE OF HIS DEVICES;Satan wants to deceive as many as he can and take them down to HELL with him,you see Satan knows his end is near! We all have sin & this is why God knew we needed a Saviour! GOD MADE A WAY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO HELL! Jesus paid the price for sin with the shedding of his blood on the Cross of Calvary,so we don't have to die in our sins & go to HELL,but we first must humbly come before him & repent of our sins,MAKE HIM YOUR LORD & SAVIOUR B4 IT'S 2 LATE!
ilililhy1 1 month ago
this guy doesn't deserve to be on tv. if he isn't gonna share the love of god then get off my tv.
2013andwag 2 months ago
@2013andwag And the two ministers that said beingHomo is a gifdt of God should be on TV?? what is wrong with you? you do not deserve ot make comments on this blog!!
111ryanesau 1 month ago
@2013andwag Loving someone is telling them the truth. The truth sometimes hurts but that doesn't mean he doesn't love who he's speaking to.
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@EmetTalmudim6 oo i know. I just find christians should always try to be loving.
2013andwag 1 month ago
@2013andwag But not at the expense of truth which is truly unloving if anything is.
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
IT IS a very BIG gift from God, even if ignorant people like you cannot appreciate at all.
Videopolis2010 2 months ago
@Videopolis2010 God's Word says otherwise. Keep in mind the Author is PERFECT; Doesn't it stand to reason He knows what He's talking about?
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
rom 1:24-32
97nnamdi 2 months ago
If you truly want to know what the bible says about you should study it for yourself... starting with the story of Soddom (which a lot of "Christians" use to deny us Gay Christians). Seriously people, its time to really stop accepting what has been given to us over the pulpits and study the word for ourselves. You will see a little more clearly. And as for this host he's more intent on insulting people...
deLOCOSHOW 2 months ago
Are you kidding me???? Comparing Gay to Rape?!?! This guy is truly an idiot! It's amazing how people will say being gay is against the bible but it's been proven that 85% of declared Christians do not read it or study it.
deLOCOSHOW 2 months ago
@deLOCOSHOW The point is what God calls sin is sin(whether it be homosexuality or rape). Do you know why the Kingdom of God is called that?
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
Did this guy SERIOUSLY just compare being gay to being a rapist?! Shut up, dude.
ryanrhuemusic 2 months ago
@ryanrhuemusic & @pochi0926 see my post to delocoshow
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
What a JERK
pochi0926 2 months ago
The Bible;
1.Since the Bible is God's Word & since the author is Perfect that means His Word is infalible, therefore it is trustworthy.
2.Thank you, but I never reference the internet about something this important.
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
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MARCH 2010 UPDATE: "GAY" GENE FOUND!
Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE NOR A SIN, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 3 months ago
@NuLaifMusic
1.The Internet, now there's an informed opinion.
2.Creation is not & hense is less than what it was created to be.
3.The Creator (God) NOT the creation (science) is in charge; In the end what He says goes not what His creation (science) says.
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6
Should we belive in God, YES!
And The Bible? NO!
Cause wasn't written by the Apostles like we tought!
Did you know that Mary Magdaline was one of the apostles, and that the they didn't want her around cause she was a WOMAN?
We SHOULDN'T BELIVE IN THE BIBLE, it WASN'T written by the Apostles but from they're "FANS" and obviously homophobics.
CHECK THIS 3 PART VIDEO OUT AND LEARN:
Biblical mysteries explained - Lost gospels part 1.mpg
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
@NuLaifMusic Problem;
1.The Bible is the Word of God on paper, Jesus is the Word of God in Flesh
Beyond that, while the Bible is NOT God, Jesus IS.
2.According those who KNEW them & the first 300 yrs of Christianity they were.
3.The Bible does not deny her & many other women's discipleship or that women were looked down on in that day. But there's a big difference between an Apostle & a Disciple. Jesus was reflecting the 12 Tribes in His Apostles, none of them were women.
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
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@EmetTalmudim6
Let me guess...
You didn't watch the 3 part video. Did you? Cause the hold THE ORIGINAL BIBLE and not you. So everything you wrote is irrelevant since you haven't seeing the video.
IS A MUST SEE VIDEO
Again l strongly suggest you and all christians should watch it!
CHECK THIS 3 PART VIDEO OUT AND LEARN:
Biblical mysteries explained - Lost gospels part 1.mpg
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
@NuLaifMusic
1.on the Spiritual level, The 3 part video is not the standard of Truth. God & His Word are.
2. on the academic level the facts speak for themselves; If I want to know about a historical event I reference those who were there(the 1st century-Disciples) & consistancy(2,000 yrs of doctrine-c3,800 counting the Old Testament-) not those who weren't there(the 2nd century Gnostics) & their inconsistancies.
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@EmetTalmudim6
Watch this video and learn, It talks about an 18 MONTH OLD BABY boy wanting barbies and to be a girl.
Now what does an 18 MONTH OLD BABY knows about sexuality?
How can you tell a baby NOT to be gay, when a baby don't even know what GAY or STRAIGHT means?
You're born gay you DONT CHOOSE to be gay!
CHECK THIS VIDEO HERE ON YOUTUBE AND LEARN:
Biological Bases of Homosexuality (part 1)
NuLaifMusic 1 month ago
@NuLaifMusic then again we & the universe are jacked up as a result of what happened in Eden. Just because something is the way it is doesn't mean God intended it to be so.
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@EmetTalmudim6
MARCH 2010 UPDATE: "GAY" GENE FOUND!
Here's a video you should watch on YouTube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE OR A SIN, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 1 month ago
@NuLaifMusic FOR ONE TO SAY,WE HAVE NO SIN,THE SIN REMAINS and Judgement Will come to that person. JESUS WAS SENT FROM GOD TO PAY THE PRICE OF ALL OUR SINS,but we,my friend,have to confess are sin and turn away from sin,we all have sin,but not all are sorry for sin,some love sin so much they refuse to give it up,thus spending ETERNITY in HELL,so SAD BUT TRUE. Are you willing to gamble your soul away? JESUS CHRIST is the way, the truth and the life. The Blood of Jesus, is for remission of Sin.
ilililhy1 1 month ago
@ilililhy1 We're all sinners!
A lesbian had a Near Death Experience and she went to heaven and she asked why I'm not in Hell? They told her why would you go there you show and gave LOVE to everyone and that's all that matters, now is not your time so you most return... (She's now a Gay Christian)
And makes you think...
Do spirits have sex? NO!
So how important is sexuality, really.
He's main message was about LOVE.
Choose a soulmate & be faithful and show LOVE to EVERYONE! GBY!
NuLaifMusic 1 month ago
@NuLaifMusic Problem;
That proves it wasn't heaven & that it wasn't God or His angels or His children who talked to her because;
A.NOBODY goes to heaven because they show or give love-since our love is not enough to meet God's standard of righteousness-
B.Jesus came to fulfill not destroy the Mosaic Law & the Prophets given by God; If He is THE fulfillment of God's promises then there is no room for ANYTHING that contradicts His promises(homosexuality or otherwise).
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@NuLaifMusic Problem;
1."Do spirits have sex?"; If you're referring to gender yes because God is male & angels only appear as male in the Scripture.
2.If you're referring to copulation no because copulation isn't part of the Divine or angelic nature(but a temporary gift for humans to reflect an eternal principle; Intimacy with God-the Groom-& humanity-the Bride-). Thus, if God's pattern of 1 man 1 woman for 1 lifetime is not followed it contradicts His analogy.
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@EmetTalmudim6
Let me see...
I'm I going to belive a person that died and went to heaven
Or you that are just speculating....
Hmmmmm
I guess I go with the one with the true experience!
NuLaifMusic 1 month ago
@NuLaifMusic I'm not suggesting you accept my speculations, rather;
That Salvation is by Grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone as revealed via Scripture alone
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the Word of God
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2,000 yrs of Christian Orthodoxy
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c4,000 yrs of Jewish Orthodoxy
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The fact that life after death experiences-Christian or otherwise- are on record to not immediately transport people to the afterlife, but-as often as not-to a very brief in between state(allowing for satan's deceit).
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@EmetTalmudim6 See my most recent post to you.
EmetTalmudim6 1 month ago
@NuLaifMusic
4.The "lost gospels";
A.They're from the mid-late 2nd century onward written by people who therefore could not know Jesus
B.They present a Greco-Roman philosopher not consistant with the early 1st century Jewish Rabbi from Roman Judea of History & the Bible.
C.The "lost gospels'" authors were Gnostics; an offshoot of the Greco-Roman mystery religions from long before Christ's day who tried to shoehorn their way into JudeoChristianity.
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
@NuLaifMusic
To be homophobic one must hate or fear homosexuals;
A.God, while aposed to homosexuality(as with any sin), does not hate or fear homosexuals.
B.Christians, while aposed to homosexuality(as with any sin), do not hate or fear homosexuals.
C.Loving someone means telling them the truth(no matter how much it hurts). If God & I hated them we wouldn't care what they do or the consequences.
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
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EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
Look up the word eunuch and if you think that a natural born eunuch isnt a gay person you are crazy!! And GOD said he has a place for them in heaven better than the names of sons and daughters!!! Christians today need to step back and take the bible for what the hebrew text meant, not the english text!! In translation the real words were lost!!! Jesus loves me this I know for the BIBLE tells me so!! Maybe you should quit cherry picking though it and you would see that to!!
Louisiana26 3 months ago
what is his fixation on oprah?
princeofalbany 3 months ago
@princeofalbany that what she has to say about Jesus isn't consistant with what Jesus said about Himself(& all that goes along with that).
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
Do any of you judgmental Christians eat shrimp cuz that's an abomination as well according to the bible is it not and in addition so are many other things that people do all the time so if your going to say gay people are going to hell so are women that where pants and people who are married to divorced spouses
DracoVermitherax 3 months ago
@DracoVermitherax
1.The latest medical findings shellfish aren't healthy 'cause they're bottom feeders(garbage desposals). It's called a physical picture of a Spiritual principle.
2.The context is crossdressing not fashion trends.
3.Divorce & remarriage context; "Whoever divorces his wife except for marrital unfaithfulness". Logic dictates if your spouce abuses or neglects you it's the same as if they're cheating on you).
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
The Bible plainly states in the New Testament, in Jude 1:7...
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strangeflesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." The term "going after strange flesh" is explained to us in Proverbs 7:5 and Romans 1:26-27...
"That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words."
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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"Going after strange flesh" in the Bible is not necessarily homosexuality, as we are warned about the "strange" adulterous woman in Proverb 5:20; 7:5; but, the context of Jude 1:7 clearly implies homosexuality. "Going after strange flesh" means going after flesh "different" than what is rightfully ours to claim (our spouse's body -1st Corinthians 7:4). Notice that Jude mentions both "fornication" and "going after strange flesh."
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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Obviously, Sodom's sins were more than fornication, and certainly more than a "lack of hospitality." The "strange" flesh simply refers to that which is forbidden by God for us to have, it is flesh outside the bounds of God's laws; hence, the term "sexual deviance" (to deviate from what is acceptable to God).
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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The "filthy conversation" of the wicked, literally means, the "filthy manner of life" of the wicked. Hence, Sodom and Gomorrah were saturated with sexual deviance, filthy behavior, and every form of godlessness known to mankind. This today could be likened to Sayville, New York--a town so gay that it is commonly referred to as "Gayville," or of "Sin City" Las Vegas in Nevada and the rest of gays all over the world who practice sexual deviance...
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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What do you expect when they gays are with their lovers nowadays? Surely forbidden games is being applied. Do you actually expect us to believe that homosexuality wasn't being practiced in Sodom? Jude 1:7 plainly tells us that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sexual sins. We read in Genesis 13:13, "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." God said that the men of Sodom were sinners EXCEEDINGLY!
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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Surely a person does not need a degree in theology, to know that the word EXCEEDINGLY meant that these men of Sodom were rotten to the core. These weren't petty criminals. Genesis 19:4-9 tells us about two angels who were sent by God to deliver Lot, and his family, out of Sodom.
The angels came in the appearance of regular men. The homosexuals in the city of Sodom wanted to rape the two visitors.
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
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In fact, Verse 4 tells us that ALL the men of Sodom were outside their door. It is obvious to anyone who believes the Word of God, that Sodom was predominantly homosexual, and these homosexuals were violent (as is often the case today). by David J. Stewart
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kammiechastyloverne 3 months ago
Another gay teen committed suicide today 10/25/2011. Jamie Hubley. He was bullied because he was gay. Seems some so called Christians don't give a crap when a kid kills himself. Why do I say this, because of the crap Christian teaching that tell gays they are disordered, an abomination. 1st that is flat out wrong as being gay is not a sin, not in the Bible; 2nd its not Jesus like is it?
Really Christian history rife with blood, when will we learn?
May God bless us all, we need it.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
Context yes, you know very well I have answered each and every one of your 'concerns' or disagreements in translation / interpretation of the big 7 verses.
Read my prior posts they answer all the questions you keep asking-really.
As I said I am done discussing this with you, as I feel - no, I know you are flat out wrong-someday you will know this as well I pray.
Now have you dealt with the fact I was born gay? Have you dealt with the fact I am married to my same sex partner?
chicraig6421 4 months ago
I dont love the sin-- I love a person, get it straight....something you should be adept to no?
TheVideoVector 4 months ago
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Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
It is amazing how the bible is fulfilling itself. Why is it so hard for homosexuals to beleive that what they are doing is wrong? I dont hate them nor fear them I actually feel sorry for them and pray that they come to the knowledge of the truth.
pastorbobmack 4 months ago 2
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TheVideoVector 4 months ago
The most important thing is that GOD clearly proves that being gay is okay, and that's all that counts. Ignorant men may flail around and stomp their feet in fury at the Lord's decision to create, love, and keep His gay children right here on His planet, as part of His divine plan, but it will never get them anywhere. Gay is okay according to the Lord. Why argue with Him?
MattFrame 4 months ago
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sandytinky 4 months ago
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Lets see John M. Jesus in his 30s, not married, unheard of back then (unless you look at the gospels that were kept out of the Bible) hangin with 12 boyfriends. What ya think sound gay? What about John saying Jesus loved him more (was he the jealous type-that is in the Bible). Sound gay? What if Jesus was gay,; would that make him less then he was / is? Would you reject him if he were gay? Would it change his teachings?
Just some thoughts. Oh ya John homosexuality is not in the Bible.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
"... living a frisky life..."
Seriously, he can't even say "sexually active"?
TheSinisterKitty 4 months ago
One can be gay, & Christian, there is no conflict. God made u & loves u just as u are. You are not an abomination Lev died with Christ on the cross. When my fellow Christians say u are disordered, ur life is not acceptable to God; know they are flat out wrong. God does not want you to change, he made you who you are. I know hate hurts, some Churches/preachers hurt; know they r flat out wrong. Gay is not a sin, not in the Bible. 4 help The Trevor Project is there - 866 4UTREVOR. God loves you
chicraig6421 4 months ago 2
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You're a liar and you're on your way to hell--go read Romans 1 all the way through, you're condemned. Repent!
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro I do not lie that you, the nut in this vid is paid to lie, and does it well. Romas, if you knew the Bible you would know Paul was not talking about homosexuals, but about pagan sex acts usually performed in pagan temples to please their 'gods' including all kinds of sex acts including castrations and worse. You really need to read the Bible in context and sturdy some history. Man did you get this verse wrong, nothing there about homosexuality, not 1 word
chicraig6421 4 months ago
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There is nothing in the context to support a dime of what you said, you are of Romans 1--you suppress the truth in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS and you're on your way to hell with a wicked punishment for lying to others.
I've studied the history, go look into the Ante-Nicene church if you'd like, know it well and how the apostles taught.
Even verses 26-27 condemn your lies, it says their passions were vile and unnatural, full of lust---all of which are sin. Repent liar!
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro I suppress the truth, open your eyes, read the Bible in context you will find what I say is truth. You may not want it to be but it is. Then you call me a liar-is that a judgement?
Im gay, Im Christian, God made me this way, can't pray it away its what God created. Really open your eyes.
I will untwist the crap Christian teaching like this vid every chance I get.
I pray one day you will walk into the light and see the truth of Holy Scripture.
God bless you.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421
Yes it's a judgment, I judge righteously as Jesus commanded---people make judgments every single day and we're commanded by Christ to judge righteously. Paul commanded that we judge--ESPECIALLY those who call themselves Christian and don't live it properly. Jesus and all the apostles were against hypocritical judgement.
You were not created that way--you've deceived yourself, even I had homosexual temptations growing up, I just did not fulfill them--you're not different (cont)
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro you say you judge righteously, just how do you know God will look at it that way? And how do you know I or anyone doesn't live properly? Wow b careful God knows all, and looks to me like you are stepping over a line, I hope thats not true.
FYI everyone has temptations when growing up. Again you say I was not born gay-just how do you know that, its not in the book that u seem to put above Christ. Again I was born gay deal with it, and do not put a book above Christ.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 (cont...different than anyone else according to Scripture(1 Cor 10:13).
You enjoy listening to Lady Gaga--who is a liar, a deceiver, and a wicked woman. I really pray she repents--wow what a win that would be for her to turn to God truly and be set free. She's going to have a horrid judgment also unless she does. You are listening to her sin.
You're not a Christian, stop fooling yourself. You blaspheme the Son of God by calling yourself that and not living it properly.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro yes I enjoy Lady Gaga and many other entertainers as well, I find her to be a hoot; and Im very old. I didnt know Lady Gaga was a preacher like the nut in this vid, yes I think she is nuts as well.
So stop fooling yourself, there is only 1 teacher you need to follow and thats Jesus, who said not 1 word about homosexuality did he?
u say Lady G will have a horrid judgement, I just don't know how you know what God will do with Lady Gaga. R U speaking for God?
chicraig6421 4 months ago
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And really, I can't count the number of other unbiblical things you said in your quote---I have no issue that God have a benevolent love for His creation, but there's only a few verses that even state that and multiple others that say we need to fear, obey, listen, repent, live and die for Him. Actually Jesus said His love was conditional(John 14:15, John 15:10).
I see all sorts of sin about you, your profile, your words, your favorites all show you condemned, not saved.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro Wow put down my profile did u see my train vids, still working on it.
Did I tell you I am married to my same sex partner, married in Davenport Iowa that great honey moon destination. Oh and married in a Christian (a ture Christian) Church, by a real live Christian preacher. Ya see, homosexuals are not an abomination, can't be God created us. I'v been with my partner for almost 17 years, gee longer than many marriages I know of. Ya see, we were born gay, the way God created us-really
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421
You are living in sin and calling yourself a Christian, you have more than likely never known Jesus according to 1 John 3:1-10. Go read it.
I know people who've repented of homosexuality, and one man who ripped up his homosexual support sign in front of us and repented of his sin... amazing! You can too!
You need to realize your sin though, you've been exposed for what you are and I warned you in love. Please think about it! Your sexual lifestyle is not worth your soul!
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro I am a Christian, and yes I sin everyone does, don't you? However, homosexuality is not a sin as I have discussed b4. I know people who were married, and could no longer live trying to change what God created them to be gay.
You need to realize I was born gay, it was not a choice, who would make that choice? You deal with that fact - gays are born that way- you will start to see the truth of Scripture. My lifestyle is no different then my straight friends. r u judging me / gays?
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421
Yes I'm judging you, I'm warning you of what Jesus and the other apostles taught. You have made up false Jesus in your mind. I see all these words and nothing to show that you know Christ from the Bible.
No we don't all continue in sin, those who continue in sin do not know Jesus--they're liars(go read 1 John 2:1-10 and 1 John 3:1-10).
You're asking me to accept your experience over against what God has said, so I say a resounding "NO!" You need to submit to the true God.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro Let me warn you as you try to warn me - judging will not get you to Jesus - that is in the BIble; while the book is silent on homosexual orientation.
I am not asking you to except my experience over God I would not do that, however I am telling you God made me who I am and he does not make mistakes. I was gay from birth-deal with it.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
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No, we're allowed to judge. God will JUDGE the world, and it's not a sin to judge. We must judge righteously, go read all of Matthew 7:1-5 to get the full context. You're making judgments right now also, but yours are incorrect according to Scripture.
You were not born that way, you're deceived--go read 1 Cor 6:9-10.. it says clearly don't let anyone deceive you and you've allowed that. You will not inherit the Kingdom, your words versus Scripture--yours are false.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro We are allowed to judge - ok - I judge you to be flat out wrong homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible.
Careful with the judge stuff - people commit suicide because of crap Christian preacher and teachings. You push someone to inflict pain on themselves, you are as guilty as they are. Always ask yourself is this Jesus like. The guy in this vid is so far from Jesus like, hes more like satan like if you ask me-oh i just judged didnt I, but its ok u said so. really
chicraig6421 4 months ago
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You obviously do not believe the Bible nor are you reading any of the things I'm quoting are you? This is not opinion versus opinion, I don't just speak my own words. Until you actually address the passages I'm asking you to look at, this is useless. You have no grounds to judge anything, you're a bad tree and you're trying to tell me I'm in sin(even though you have no proof)---yet I see your fruit and you admit you're in sin, which means you need to repent.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro You obviously do not know now to read the Bible. What I say is not my opinion, it is Biblical fact that u either choose to ignore, or mis interpret, either way u r flat wrong and many Christians know this; hope 1day u will as well. Homosexuality is not a sin.
I am bad tree, actually I am a God made human, gay from birth u r wrong again. Do not twist my words, i said everyone sins, that includes u and me; unless u r Jesus? Stop the crap teaching, and repent, knowing gay is not a sin
chicraig6421 4 months ago
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1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
It says clearly, do not be deceived, you are... end of point. Tire dof this, I'm not still in my sins, you admit you are--which makes you a liar and of the devil.
droptozro 4 months ago
@chicraig6421
You're a bad tree, bad fruit, you do not know Jesus as He said and John confirmed in 1st John 2:1-10 and 1 John 3:1-10. You're teaching others to disobey God, you're teaching others against the Scriptures and the true God, you've made up one in your mind to suit your desires and been idolatrous. I rebuke you in love so that you might hear this truth and be truly set free from your wickedness in Christ. Hear IT! It's a harsh warning, don't go to hell! Repent!
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro You calling me a bad fruit - really I have been called much much worse than that - want to try and get the queer again. How Christian of you - not.
You are no Christian I would want to know, and something tells me Jesus might have the same problem.
Think about it, think about what you wrote.
Homosexual orientation is not a sin, its not in the Bible nothing to repent for.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
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I'm not looking to call you names, I'm called to examine your fruit and yours is wicked. I warn you because I love you and want you to repent. See Ezek 33, Paul employed this also in Acts with the Jews. True Christians love their professing brothers/sisters enough to tell them the truth, no matter how harsh you see it--I'm obeying Jesus by doing this, He said to rebuke and I do so that you might truly know Him. I truly fear for your judgment if you do not.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro Again with name calling and not very good either - now Im wicked fruit. Really u can do better can't you? You say u love me u don't know me, God know me, and better than I know me. You say you are obeying Jesus really try Mica 6-8 and square that with your comments; it does not. I do truly know Jesus he has saved me; I have a feeling you think you know Jesus but do not. What u know is a book, you need to know Jesus. Ask him for guidance, he will help you as he helped me. God bless
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 You're deceived, you think you know Jesus---how do you KNOW that you know Him? I'm looking for an answer to this, because Scripture tells us this and you do not seem to want to submit to it.
So please, answer the question--this is your soul on the line, what is your evidence that you know Him since you're constantly contradicting the words He and His apostles taught?
droptozro 4 months ago
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chicraig6421 4 months ago
@droptozro How do I know I know Jesus simple he saved me. How do you know you know Jesus?
I do not contradict His words, it is you and crap preacher like this vid that do that very well. I just try to tell the truth of Scripture. Scripture you seem to be blind to.
You use the word 'submit' exactly what do you mean by that.
God Bless us all
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421
"simple he saved me"---He did, from what? You're still in your sins, Jesus came to save us from our sins, if you're still in your sins you're not saved. Are you looking up ANY of the verses I reference you? You're still telling me to hold your experience over what was written in the Scriptures. (Matt 1:21, John 8:31-47). You're still a slave of sin and you will go to hell if you don't repent.
I've given you reference after reference of Jesus' words, you contradict Him.
droptozro 4 months ago
@droptozro When you say I'm still in my sins (as are you), I agree we are all sinners. However if you are referring to homosexuality, its not a sin. You call me a slave of sin, well slavery is in the Bible, did u want to own me or just toss the 1st stone to kill me (but that again thats goes against the 10 does it not). I am very familiar with the Bible have 6 I read, and ya know what, put them side by side verse to verse and they do not say the same thing. me thinks it u that contradicts Him
chicraig6421 4 months ago
The nut in vid knows this but lies - Homosexuality is seeming barred by Mosaic Law, much of which, such as divorce, was contested by Christ leaving parts of the Law He didn't mention in question. Paul seems to condemn it in 1 Cor. but it is in reference to prostitution. Neither this nor the pagan orgy he mentioned in Rom. is reflective of all homosexual relations any more than the prostitute who bathed Christ's feet with her tears or David and Bathsheba's affair is of all heterosexuals unions.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
Is it also ironic that although sodomites and lesbians only makeup about 5% of the population, they account for over 50% of ALL Pedophilia? I think not. It is an un-natural lust, a mis-placed desire to be satisfied. Many stem from a lack of real fatherly love as a child, some from being molested, but they most certainly are not born that way. "Nature" reproduces itself. Anything UN Natural cannot reproduce itself. I pray that God reveal the truth of this deception so that you may be saved.
bcuzbro 4 months ago
@bcuzbro Where pray tell did you get that stat on gays accounting for 50% of all pedophile? That is not the truth and you most likely know it, why lie? Then u go on to play shrink with lack of real fatherly love as a kid, or being molested. Really you need to read up some on that as u are wrong again. Then you say unnatural. Interesting how homosexuality is in all species on earth. Would u please quite spreading crap, including the Bible crap as Homosexuality is not a Sin. Get a grip.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
bcuzbro 4 months ago
1Ki 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: [and] they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. Gen 13:13 But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
bcuzbro 4 months ago
Homosexuality serves no purpose other than a dark lust. Homosexuality has proven to reduce life span by up to 30 years or more. Homosexuality has attached to it not only a variety of cancers that "normal" sexual appetites do not have, but as well an astronomical increase in psychological issues, suicide, alcoholism, drug use, and beyond all of the facts of that, it is most certainly NOT biblical. It is a damnable sin lest repented of. Check the Latin Vulgate, Greek and Hebrew. No "good" in gay.
bcuzbro 4 months ago
@bcuzbro Are you a queer, or in the closet? U seem to know so much about homosexuality - let me quote you - Homosexuality serves no purpose other than a dark lust.Homosexuality has attached to it not only a variety of cancers that "normal" sexual appetites do not have, Check the Latin Vulgate, Greek and Hebrew. No "good" in gay.'
Jesus can help you, read the Bible in context you will see gay is not a sin, and God loves you, he created you as you are queer or not.
God Bless you, I'll pray for u.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 The god you serve is of demons and hell. You cannot be a man divided in mind and spirit. Queer is queer. Sodomites will have their place in hell lest they repent. It is that simple. How on earth can you possibly read the bible and determine that being a nasty sodomite is ok? Remember Sodom and Gomorah? Hello??? Natural relationships produce offspring, all you produce is nastiness. You keep praying to your God, because one thing I know beyond any doubt, God is not a God of chaos.
bcuzbro 4 months ago
@bcuzbro Here you go judging again-really very Jesus like. Let me ask you how on Gods earth can you read the Bible, what Paul wrote in his letters & not know it was not about homosexual orientation? Sodom & Gomorrah not about gays look to Ezekiel 16:48 for he answer. I pray to God often, I will pray you see the truth re:gays. Homosexuality is a normal as water and air.
R U in the closet and troubled cuz you sound like it. Jesus will help you as he did me, pray with an open heart
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 Satan is an accuser of the brethren. The deception you have received is from God, that much is sure. He has given you over to your lusts and depravity. What earthly good comes from sodomites? Are you producing children to worship God? Is your lifestyle one that if everyone done it, it would bring glory to God and prolong life and happiness? I think we know the answer to that. I will not answer further, no need. It is foolishness to you and that is ok. I serve a mighty God!
bcuzbro 4 months ago
@bcuzbro Wow u seem to know so much about be being given over by God. Really just how do u know that?
I also love God, but Im not sure its the same one as you and I always thought there was only 1 true God.
You really need to ask Jesus for help when you read the Bible. You will learn there is nothing there about homosexual orientation being a sin.
Remind me what Jesus said about it please - oh ya not 1 word. Himmmmmmm
Really calling me a sodomite, not all gays have anal sex surprise.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
Gay is NOT ok. If they bothered to ask Jesus instead of depending upon whatever makes them feel good in their burning lusts, perhaps they would see that they will be damned to hell lest they repent. How truly sad that they would twist and manipulate the Word of God, trusting in new translations making all sin ok. I guess, like Rob Bell thinks, everyone goes to heaven? Really??? Love REQUIRES Justice. God does NOT love everyone. Psalm 5:5,6 as a beginning. Duh!
bcuzbro 4 months ago
@bcuzbro You are flat out wrong - gay is ok it is not a sin. You need to ask Jesus he will show you the truth. You say repent - if you are referring to homosexuality there is nothing to repent for, its not a sin. You say trusting in new translations, really, look at Bibles prior to 1929 and now to see how they have changed translations-really. Look at Christian history and tell me it has not changed over the years. Burn witches, slavery, interracial marriage, medical science. Learn the Bible
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 Sincerely, I will pray for you that God release you from the cloud of doubt you are in. Homosexuality is not natural, or normal. If it were normal, the sex between two men could produce something other than sickness and disease and tremendous pain, doubt and despair. Those who claim to be happy are only lying to themselves. The burning of witches, slavery and such is a straw man argument. It is foolish to use a tit for tat. What sickness and pain you bring to yourself. exodus
bcuzbro 4 months ago
@bcuzbro Thank you I will pray for you as well, that God will show you the truth of Holy Scripture, that homosexual orientation is not a sin. FYI- homosexuality is very natural look at nature, its there; so how you make that claim is beyond me. The only pain I suffered as a gay male was in my younger years (Im old) when i was called names and beat upon because of who God made me. Do you really think I (back them) wanted to be gay-really. Im married (in Iowa) to a man, for over 16 years.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
Who is this nut - how can one equate rape with homosexuals? Talk about lack of logic really. I would say if one talks like the nut in the vid you are not a Christian. Sir - homosexuality is not a sin, and how can you get off saying 'people hate God'? Realy. You get paid for this so I guess then its ok to prostitute one self for $ as thats what ur doing. Wow ur voice is to irritating, I'm having a hard time finishing the vid. I'll pray u see the light and stop the crap.
chicraig6421 5 months ago 5
@chicraig6421 2 questions;
1.Who is the absolutely worst most evil human being in history you can think of?
2.Who is the best most good human being in history you can think of?(minus Jesus who is God)
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Sorry I truly do not think in those terms - good / evil...nor will I play your game.
God loves you as he loves me and everyone. Oh and its ok to be gay not a sin, not in the Bible.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 "I truly do not think in those terms-good/evil-"
1.Too bad, God does, & His opinion is the only one that counts.
2.So you wouldn't consider Hitler, Pol Pot, Mousilini, Sadam Hussein etc. evil?
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Oh my you claim to know how God thinks, do you really think he thinks like u or me-really. WOW.
Since you brought up Hitler - did you know the Bible, the Christian Bible was use to support the Third Reich-Hitler. Part of our great Christian history. Now its the gays cuz we don't burn witches or own slaves in the USA anymore. Don't u ever wonder who will be next after the gays, as that crap shall pass like the rest of Christian crap teaching. Really read the Bible in context.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 we would agree that all people are equal with the unalienable right to life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness, correct?
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 for me to properly answer your comment about Hitler & his use of the NT you'll have to answer my question about the unalienable equality & right to life, liberty & the pursuit of haoppiness of all people; or you won't get any answer I give from here on out.
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 what is ur question. You quoted part of the USA Constitution, which yes I agree with and would (did) fight to defend. One further - there is separate of Church and State.
So you agree the Bible was used to support Hitler, and as I said, burning of witches, owning slaves, restrict medical science, and on and on. Now the Bible is used against gays, this will change as the above crap has, then the questions is who will be next, the Jews again, or maybe people with blue eyes?
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 "What is your question";
Just curious if we'd agree that all people are unalienably equal with the right to life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness.
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 I fully support the USA Constitution, and the Preamble.
Does that answer ur question.
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 that being the case, Are those principles any less true because there have been & are still people who have misused those principles (often justifying themselves & their actions behind said principles) to deny the benafits of those principles to others?
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 What are u talking about?
chicraig6421 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 Please reread my last post carefully?
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 ?
EmetTalmudim6 4 months ago
@chicraig6421 you never answered my question. For sake of clarity; the point is, & if you truly fully support the US Constitution & its' preamble, you realize, as I do, that just because some people misuse the principles of those documents while claiming to support & uphold them in no way makes them any less true.
It's the same with Hitler-a Gentile-using a JEWISH BOOK(the NT)distorted with Darwinian based Eugenics &
Neo-occultism; It doesn't make the NT any less true.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 You truly have lost me.
There is a separation of Church and State in the USA.
And yes the Bible was used to support Hitler.
So Im lost here, as the is no question in separation of the USA Constitution and the Bible.
And yes both are mis-used. I agrue-correctuly- that the Bible is silent on 'the gay' = sin question.
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421 Bottom line; Misuse of a truth (in this case God's book delivered via the Jews hijacked by a Gentile who din't know God) renders it no less true.
"the Bible is silent on 'the gay=sin question'";
1.Not according to the LITERAL meaning, which I've already given you.
2.If Jesus came to Fulfill & Not destroy the Law or the prophets (His claim not mine) then there's no place for homosexuality in the believer's life.
What's that tell you?
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 That tells me you have not read the Bible in context since homosexuality is not in the BIble. I have over and over talked about the '7' verses most often sited as gay=sin. Each verse taken in context with others tells the truth of Holy Scripture. The Bible is actually silent on homosexuality. So you can read it how ever you want, distort the Bible how ever you want, talk about prophets and all, and you would be flat out wrong. Sorry, gay is ok not a sin, not in the Bible.
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421 What part of LITERAL MEANING & FULFILLED NOT DESTROYED don't you understand?
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 And what part of you have not read the Bible in context did u not understand?
Please stop ur crap Christianity teaching, no where in God's book does it say homosexuality is a sin.
Yes the Bible is silent on the gay=sin question - read the Bible its not there.
Now go and twist Holy Scripture and tell me how wrong I am.
i will pray for you.
God Bless.
chicraig6421 3 months ago
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1.but the principle is, even if the TECHNICHAL TERM isn't; As with The Trinity, Jesus' Deity, the Rapture (Catching Away) & Demons.
2.The point is I gave you the LITERAL MEANING of the text.
3.Consistent repidity determines context (IE Aside from the LITERAL MEANING the other verses on the subject determine interpretation).
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Like I said you need to read the Bilbe in contest, and I'll add ask Jesus for guidance when you do. You will see homosexuality is not in the Bible. You may want it to be because that is what you were are taught, but sorry to say homosexuality is not a sin, not in the Bible. Oh LITERAL or not, gay is OK
God Bless
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421
Again, I gave you the LITERAL MEANING (Ergo What God meant).
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Sorry you gave me what u think the literal meaning is, I tell you read in context for the correct Bible teaching.
Do you have a problem with that. Oh maybe if you read the Bible in context you would see homosexuality is not a sin and that would blow your mind or your Christian doctrine. Sorry if you Christian doctrine says gay=sin, or are an abomination or dis ordered. well your doctrine is wrong. God does not make mistakes and guess what God made gays. Deal with it.
chicraig6421 3 months ago
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EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@chicraig6421 considering I gave you it WORD FOR WORD, giving you what I think would be a little difficult to say the least.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Given that you only gave the 'pick and choose' verses and not the total context, I can see how you are being mis lead.
Homosexuality is not a sin, its not in the Bible.
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421 all the other verses on the subject are the context; As I said, their consistent repidity determines interpretation. And the consistent repidity (consitency) of all the other verses is according to God homosexuality is a sin.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Again you pick and choose, and don't read or want to read the Bible in context.
I pray someday you will see the truth of Holy Scripture. Until then do not go pervert Holy Scripture like the nut in the vid and spread crap Christianity.
Let me see what was it Jesus said about this all consuming topic - homosexuality, on ya Jesus said nothing. Did you ever read the gospel of Thomas, it was left out of the BIble?
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421
1.ALL the verses on the subject (Not just what Jesus said); Vital Since ACCORDING TO JESUS He came to FULFILL not DESTROY the Law & the Prophets & since ALL the verses are Divinely Dictated, Inspired, & Preserved.
2.Given that Jesus's earthly ministry was directed at 1st century Orthodox Jews (who didn't practice such behavior) talking about homosexuality would be pretty pointless.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Oh ya how silly of me there were no homosexuals 2000 + yrs ago its a new thing. Let see the actual word is new in the Bible as it never existed in any Bible prior to 1952, or the early 50s 52 may not be exact-but you can fact check that. Wasn't it in the early 1900 (again not sure exact date) when homosexual orientation entered the medical books. So you must be correct gays are a new thing, to ur point wonder why God started to create gays in the 1900s, I know he created me gay
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421
1.What I said was Jesus preaching "Stop being homosexual" to 1st century Orthodox Jews is like a Medieval nobleman going to his retainers & saying "You know what we need that we don't have guys; we need a Feudal system!" A little pointless.
2.The lack of a linguistically clarifying Theological term prior to when it was needed is equally pointless (the principle is in the texts even if the transligual term isn't).
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 So now you tell me 'prior to when it was needed' I guess you are speaking of the actual word homosexual in the Bible, is pointless. I think this is pointless as you will not read the Bible in context, oh no and only pick and choose. Maybe you really think the entire Bible is pointless, many do. It is pointless to post to you as you are blind. God made me gay from birth, God saved me, God gave me a same sex partner, we married in Gods Church in Iowa, by a Christian minister.
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421
1.It's called translation equivelancy; the phrase may change from language to language, but the principle remains the same (Example; Hello, Hola, Nihao, Salam, Si'yo-The words are different the principle remains the same(Hello)-As regards the Bible; Thou shalt not Murder, You will not Murder, Do Not Murder, Don't Murder(the phraseology changes the principle remains).
2.The point of the Feudal analogy is it's preaching to the choir on an issue not being practiced by the choir.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 There you go again with excuses for your mis-understanding of the Bible and making excuses for mis-translations calling them equivalency. Really tell me then about the Greek word 'arsenokoitai', and how it was re-re-or mis-mis translated. Can't wait for this one. Dig deep as its really interesting if one looks at many scholars and goes back some.
FYI - I don't preach, just inform. Unlike the nut in this vid who twists and turns and yes I'll even say lies.
Good day God Bless
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421
1.Then why did the literal Hebrew & Greek text I gave you before say otherwise?(& since the Text can't be wrong & you're not perfect what's that tell you?)
2.I was refering to my analogy as to why Jesus, a 1st century Orthodox Jew, didn't have to tell other
1st century Orthodox Jews not to be homosexual; because they weren't doing such things, thus it'd be a little pointless to tell them to stop what they weren't doing. If He'd been in Greece or Rome it'd be an issue.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 My my with the big words and the 1 & 2s really. Why did you not answer my question about a Greek word. Could it be it never ment homosexual as it was mis-translated it from the start? So ur entire rant is baseless. Could that be, I know that would make you flat out wrong, I think you would have a hard time with being wrong. so go check out the Greek word, its origin and translation changes as the Bible changed over time, or I know literal, but what version of the literal Bible
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421
The Orthodox Study Bible (From the original Greek Text)
The New JPS Translation (From the original Hebrew Text)
Note; If I can be wrong about translating so can you. Also God would not allow His Word to be corrupted in such a way without KEEPING the truth in the forefront(IE the Received Text).
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Yes exactly, humans are fallible. His word has been corrupted, look at Christian history.
Bible used to support, Hitlers 3rd Reich, the Holocaust, crusades, inquisitions, slavery; the Bible used to oppose medial science, burn women as witches, used to support the Ku Klux Klan, I could go on but you get the idea Im sure. So when you say God would not allow, you are flat out wrong, we are all human and all sinners. Gay is not a sin. That word Greek was coined by Paul-check it out
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421 Then the inavitable consequence is He is not God.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 u do love to talk in circles, do you get dizzy?
chicraig6421 3 months ago
@chicraig6421 Sorry the information & your arguments' consequences are inconveniant for your position.
EmetTalmudim6 3 months ago
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@EmetTalmudim6 Gee I feel the same way about what you say ....Sorry the information & your arguments' consequences are inconveniant for your position.
I know it hard to be wrong like the guy in the vid, guy I mean nut.
We are back to the truth - homosexuality is not in the Bible its not a sin..the circle is complete
God Love You and me
chicraig6421 3 months ago