jlhenney..it amazes me just how at odds you Indigo believers are. For people who all follow the same belief system you all seem to contradict eachother at every turn and what's more worrying you don't know what other 'believers' believe. Look through the various posts on here and the various web-sites about Indigos and you will see many places where we have seen that said. Good to see that you feel many of your Indigo believing associates are mad though.
Ok...I am an indigo person, and I want to ask you, where on earth has anybody ever seen somebody say that indigo children authority should not be questioned ??!?!
What kind of rubbish is that?
If anyone says that, they are mad and they do not know what indigo children are..Indigos, are beings who have a very strong connection to the higher dimensions to bring guidance at this time of great change..that is what they are..not the president or a god to be worshiped
@jlhenney I am also an indigo and I support this statement strongly. We do not want to be worshipped. We are loving souls happy to come here and play our role as guides into the new age.
That's shocking torchy. I too have noticed there's been no response to questions. I'm sorry but but to me is child abuse and should be stopped. It's ridiculous and upsetting to know that innocents minds are being manipulated by very troubled people. And the arrogance I've seen is appalling.
You know..I've been going through other films about Indigo children on here and I've had to stop because I can feel myself getting so angry. Kids doing readings, kids prophesizing, kids talking about death before they have even lived !! The more I watch the more I feel sickened by all of this. And, it is becoming very clear that no-one on here is capable of answering any of our questions.
Did you miss it timerty ? If so don't worry, we'll be getting a copy which will be put on here and on our web-site in full....am going to make sure people know about the very very negative side of the whole Indigo thing.
I'd be happy to be your PR person torchy and thank you. I really did enjoy the programme and found it well presented and informative. It's lovely to hear the comments elsewhere are supportive..you deserve it. I was commenting on another vid here of yours yesterday but can't find it. When you can would you mind diverting me to others please. I can sift through the others but going directly to them is always best. Take care from you very own PR xx :)
Why thank you idazine for the comment on the T.V show and all your other comments about us. The T.V show was meant to make people think and question and by the responses we've had on various forums etc we have done just that. We've still got a long way to go but we've made a good start. Am going to start calling you our P.R person if you're not careful..but your comments are sincerely appreciated..
Round of applause torchy..thoroughly enjoyed your discussion and logic. Hope to see more of you on TV warning people of the hidden dangers in the psychic world :)
Thanks torchy1970 I do admire your attitude and I'll gladly contribute to any of your videos as I feel you speak a lot of sense. To anyone out there who have felt like I do please contact the team at Esoteric. They were marvellous with me yesterday and dealt with my upset admirably. Torchy if I receive any more messages like that one I'll let you know asap. Thanks for everything and I'll be seeing you here and on others whenever you like :)
Thank you idazine..we are certainly going to keep up this debate and make sure we get our concerns out there in the public domain. If there is anything you wish to contribute you are more than welcome and no doubt we'll see a lot of you on these videos and hopefully when we put the video of the full t.v programme up. In the meantime please let us know if you get any more hateful messages xx
I wish you guys at Esoteric great success with your debates. I'm highly impressed with your approach and it needs to be said to protect innocent children from a potentially dangerous charade. I'm appalled at the attitudes of the Indigo followers and it most certainly doesn't help their "cause" whatsoever. I will happily contribute my opinions wherever necessary as a mum with first hand knowledge of Autism and ADHD. I do know what these disabilities can entail. Children need protecting from this.
Oh and also, please read out stuff on this..you'll notice that the fixation on "drugs" seems to be coming from the Indigo's and not us. We are happy to tak in terms of many therapies..we just ask that children with these problems get the help they need. In fact we all feel that drugs should ALWAYS be the last resort. It's just some people only see what they want to see...oh and still not jumping up and down in any sort of rage ;)
Please though everyone please bare in mind the non-extremists who themselves are concerned about this "element" within the movement and with whome we are currently having some very good debate. We mustn't judge all all the minority the likes of whome we are seeing at the moment. One more purpose was to show how some people within the movement seem unable to take on board any other views..luckily for us these types of posts prove our point.
LOL no, the purpose of this debate is to bring up some potential problems regarding the safety and well being of children with problems that people within the Indigo movement seem to deny exist, as will be clear to anyone properly reading our site and watching our response video will see. Of course the other purpose is to show how many extremists within this movement react with agression when challenged and how they avoid the subject by making remarks such as the one you just made
The purpose of this debate is to disprove the Indigo theory = the backgrounds of torchy, jaffaspud + esoteric is in MENTAL HEALTH AND PSYCHOLOGY their purpose to disprove existence of indigos advocating placing those who claim to be indigo on psychiatric medication - Question: whose agenda are they following? The indigo movement threatens their livelihoods. Hardly an open minded investigation - Cue the three stooges .....all for one and one for all! tardarr!
Oh and by the way, if you do watch it and want to commen just pop back here to do it. Didn't see the point in people commenting on it over there when it is so linked to this video. In a way it is just a way of doing a huge text response to what has been said about all of this so far. But, as you know, with youtube trying to do a big text response is impossible..it all gets mixed up.
The problem would be the practicalities and cost of doing such an experiment i.e getting everyone together and all that. It is something to think about though. The thing is aswell we aren't really questioning the Indigo belief itself..just because we don't believe doesn't mean we have the right to try to destroy another's belief. Have you watched my "response" video which kind of clarifies things ?
Ah but that would mean we'd all have to believe in psychic ability..and I know of many people who would never consider it a possibility enough to even give it a try. I'd be happy to use a psychic that the Indigo's were happy with to be honest..I'd put plenty of controls in place to make sure that no one could be recognised by him/her so really that wouldn't matter. If we chose someone there could be all sorts of allegations etc of fixing it. :)
If we all trained our psychic abilities we didn't need a psychic nor an Indigo test :-) I'm also aware that such a test won't be seen as scientific proof, but it could be an interesting experiment. We only need to find a psychic everyone agrees with. That will be the next impossible quest ;-)
Still I think that we could discover interesting stuff and perhaps some proof as well if we all keep an open mind.
For us it will be pseudoscience because there is no way to "test" someones claim that they can see auras..however there are people that believe certain psychics when they say that AND believe these people can see Indigo auras so I'd be happy to do this on the basis that while it is an experiment it is not totally scientific and doesn't actually prove anything 100% whatever the result..
I agree but, if they claim they can when they can't then this would be proven in the results. Of course the Indigo's might well use that as the reason it didn't work rather than it being anything to do with the indigo thing itself. Ideally we should ask Nancy Anne Tappe but of course she's admitted she lied. I guess we'd have to use someone that believed in Indigo and was trusted by the Indigo community. That way if the results are negative they can't complain about the "psychic"
Great idea for an experiment,only one flaw. we wouold have to prove firstly that the person who were supposedly able to read auras was able to do what they claim.
The medical community do not recognise auras,so this would all be a form of pseudo from the outset, :O(
I agree that the eduaction system is lacking in many ways, as is the medical system. But, that goes, in my opinion, for all cases not just where Indigo children are concerned so I totally agree with you. And yes society is changing but should children who supposidly have more "psychic" ability, even if this is the case, I think they should be allowed to be children first and foremost and learn about this stuff when they are older if they so wish. Just my opinion :)
Indeed it would comtesse. Not sure we could get 500 people together and it would depend on how many people would be willing to participate but we would be more than willing to carry out an experiment and make public the results whatever they might be :)
Anyway, here is one of my silly but excellent ideas. If you want to prove that Indigos exist do the following. Hire a psychic or aura reader that is able to SEE auras. Find a group of 500 people of all ages, some of them resonate totally with the Indigo phenomenon and others are die-hard skeptics. Then you'll see if there is any truth in the indigo aura claim. I think such a test would be cool :)
If you take the Indigo phenomenon literally then the Indigos are the ones who show the world what is dysfunctional and in need of change. They're behavior is dysfunctional, so what tells this about the way we relate to one another and to the way we treat our children?
That is one way to look at it. My own point of view: society is changing, humanity evolves and the children who are more psychic, have different outlooks and needs are a sign of the time we are living in.
There are some really good tips in Doreen Virtue's book, but I agree that it's not only the Indigo Children who need to change their diet. Same thing with the school system, we all need good education and equal chances. I actually think that the entire school system need a total reform and that everyone should benefit from the changes.
People who are seeing us as evil sceptics should look at our site and see what we are really about..I think they'd be surprised. And, for proof of our fairness they should listen to our interview with Gary Mannion on here. We don't neccessarily believe in what he does but we had some concerns which he discussed in the interview and we basically think fair enough. In posts I've evn ribbed the sceptics who are on about "stopping" him.
To me I have to admit this is just someone jumping on the Indigo Money Making bandwagon. The problem is Indigo parents buy this stuff believing their child is different and needs different care and feeding. The child then feels different and are told they are different. These sorts of things are our concern..
It's like the book by Doreen Virtue "The care and feeing of an Indigo Child" for a start that it the type of title you expect to find about your hamster or gerbil. But secondly in it she talks about a healthy diet and brain food etc as if this is only true of Indigo children. Why differentiaite..surely ALL children should have this and there are numerous books out there for parents who want to bring up healthy kids. But again we see a book suggesting that indigo children are "different"
Are these comments myths ? Because on every web-site I've come across, and in every book I've read these are the things that are said. We are not saying all Indigos think like this but this is certainly how the majority think. We have said though that if we come across another side, people who believe in Indigo but think these things are going too far we will make that clear in the follow up programme. Will will not tarr all with the same brush if we have proof there is another side :)
Ok.. Indigo children are more advanced and should not be told off for anything they do or say because they are of a higher vibration. Children diognosed with autism or adhd are actually Indigo and therefore should not be medicated or given therapies etc but should be treated like Indigos and allowed to find their own way. Indigo children should be segregated from other children as they need to be around children "like them" and ideally they should be schooled at home or in special schools.
Sorry for the previous typos. There's never enough space to express yourself clearly in this tiny little YouTube textbox.
But anyway, I was just reflecting my thoughts, I don't feel the need to oppose anyone although I also don't agree with everyone.
And thanks for letting us know when we can expect the show. After the debate there will be plenty of new subjects to talk about. Let's say it keeps us busy and focused :)
There lies a danger in any myth and any label, myths CAN turn into cults and in misunderstandings. That's why it's important to questions those myths. Not to expose innocent children, but to get to the core of an issue and to understand what is really going on.
In every book about Indigos we can read that this need for clarity, openess and sincerity are the magical qualities of the Indigo child. Fun isn't it ;-)
So let's bust the myth, seek the truth and speak the truth. That's sooo Indigo :)
I think my last message disappeared somewhere in cyberspace.
But there aren't many people, certainly not "the Indigos", who see themselves as superior saviors that need to be worshipped. I rather see them as spiritually inspired.
And I see the New Age movement in the same light as the hippie movement. Indigos or the new children are part of that movement. They're not a cult, they don't follow a leader. They just want to make a change.
It will be at the end of this month. As soon as we have the date and time we'll post it. You are right this is more to do with how the children are raised, and our concerns are about that side of things. What people believe in is up to them but when parents refuse to accept their child has problems and therefore refuse any help for them or suggest they should go to special schools and be segregated from other children it raises concerns for us.
When exactly will this debate be broadcasted? So we at least know if it's worth all the quarreling and confusion.
I think where most of the skeptics disagree that this doesn't have much to do with the Indigo phenomenon at all. But with with the question: what is the proper way to raise a child and to help child when it is troubled in one way or another?
Meds or no meds, therapy or healing and makes a child a happy and healthy child? That are the real questions to be asked.
heathygrl, you are just going round in circles, torchy has answered you on many occasions and been honest with her answers, we are yet to see the same from you !!!!
I'm not going to "defend " myself against you anymore. We have stated clearly where we are coming from on this and where we have got our information from. And, having visited other forums etc we have found that despite what we are told, the ideas etc pretty much run through the Indigo community. You don't believe science has all the answers, fine, neither do we..but you refuse to admit that science has any answers even though there is solid prrof of some of those.
When it comes to the flat earth thing I was merely passing comment, saying that we sometimes get it wrong about science has said/done. Am I not allowed to mention now when something is said that isn't actually true ????? And the fact I said I only know because I myself got it wrong should show it was not meant vindictively !! I get the feeling it is you who wants to keep the fight going and do you realise how negative you are..to anyone that doesn't believe what you do ?
ok heathygrl getting really fed up of this now. I have explained many many times where are understanding of Indigos comes from i.e nearly all the sites we go on. For example saying that an indigo child cannot be told off because they are of a higher vibration and are superior to us etc. Re medication it is not that the parents refuse to medicate their kids it is the fact that they don't accept there is a problem and accept help and therapies etc.
Have tried a few times to post comments you watch all of a sudden they'll all come up and where I've tried a few times the comments will be duplicated all over the place.
Hi heathygrl and vagragurru333..apology accepted and all that :)
The sound will be fine on the t.v programme obviously. Most people can hear it fine though.
Can I just say heathygrl it is a misconception that scientists ever thought the world was flat. Science has never seen or reported it that way. I only know cause I used that example once and was jumped on for it, so I checked and they were right..
It was just an example to show that what scientists believe changes as they do more research. So don't think what they say now is written in stone. It may be disproved later.
I had time to ponder many things, and I realised I needed to be more honest with everyone. I have not fully revealed my intentions, aims, and motivation to you or to esotericonline.
I have decided that I must be fully honest in what I am doing here. Hopefully when you read my full admission either in the Indigo FB group, or in esotericonlines forum you will forgive me, and maybe see me as a friend again?
And don't worry about the anger I used to be terrible for it!
You are definitely my friend. I also apologize for judging and dismissing you earlier. That is my Karmic Lesson according to numerology. Its 6 -a major issue with commitment and responsibility to others. Thanks for the help on that one. :)
esotericonlineradio: I actually mean that any label can be used as a tool of self-discovery. But of course there's a difference between a 16 year old who reads about Indigos and wants to find out if he's an Indigo himself and a 5 year old that's exposed to the public by his family because he speaks 12 languages fluently.
Every idea, label or hype has its downsides, it depends what you DO with it. And I think it's good to question those things that aren't quite right.
VajraGuru333 wrote: All the main figures involved with that espoused Indigo data are busy distancing themselves from the subject.
That's something I didn't know, I'm curious why they are distancing themselves. I see the Indigo phenomenon as a label that comes handy when you are trying to figure out who you are and the kind of energies and ideas you resonate with.
Labels can be both empowering or disempowering. The Indigo label empowers people, and many of us need this empowerment.
So something that comes in handy is ok to affect the lives of thousands of children around the globe regardles at what cost,even if that handy thingc ould be completely wrong?
I totally agree with you. It has been handy for a lot of people to meet each other and chat which is great.
The flip side is that some people have taken it waaaay to seriously more so in America then UK. They even want segregated schools for the special kids!
The reason people are distancing themself is that Lee Carroll just realised a new book and in it Nancy Tappe admits says she could never see auras and that people made that up.
"I am keeping busy posting correction comments to peoples rubbish about 2012 on YouTube videos."
Statements like these make me think you feel your "truth" is much more true than others who disagree with you. I feel you are confusing your opinion with the truth. And I feel this is ego based.
This of course this is my own opinion and not the truth. I see myself in you as my world is my mirror. Blessed Be :)
I can see how that read like that, for the sake of clarity though it was not the case. I was not bashing their 2012 theories or beliefs I was correcting bad science and incorrect astronomy. Things that are certainly not just matters of opinion but solid facts.
"Things that are certainly not just matters of opinion but solid facts."
I believe science/knowledge is fluid. Depending on the world around us. For instance... I have "bipolar disorder". If I had this in some ancient cultures I might be labeled seer or oracle. Here and now the same symptoms get me locked up, shamed, and medicated.
A theory is only true until proven otherwise. The world is flat is an excellent example. At one time all respected scientist agreed, it is a solid fact that the earth is flat.
One thing you might do is go on there, tell them your knowledge without stating it as fact and see what they do with it. (Just an alternative. )
I'm just suggesting that instead of saying no and contradicting them, which may cause defensiveness, they may be more apt to hear what your saying. Especially about astronomy because not much of it is common knowledge like the moon orbits the earth.
Maybe we should talk about this in private cuz it's off topic and adding posts to the already hundreds :)
I think to be perfectly honest when the word went around all the Indigo groups that you had made a scathing program about indigos it was assumed you were evil mainstream sceptics.
Now that Indigos realise your actually involved in the new age, occult and esoteric realms yourself they are unsure how to proceed.
They expected you wanted a fight and obviously you don't. You are researchers wanting to get the facts straight.
You've been perfectly polite, even when they talked about your children
This isn't true of my experience. I appreciate you're trying to understand our position.
I got a message saying there is a group opposing an Indigo and they are attacking a 13 year old boy who is trying to defend Indigo and feeling very alone. And to please come and join the debate.
"Now that Indigos realise your actually involved in the new age, occult and esoteric realms yourself they are unsure how to proceed."
I don't care if you are Christian or New Age. You're mission seems to me to be to prove that Indigo is a fake, dangerous cult. Tell me if I got that wrong because I want to understand you?
I disagree with you, the Indigo movement is causing feelings of togetherness and love.
Suicide, parents showing off their children, people believing they are superior, and parents creating schools for children struggling with the current public school system are human nature and not caused by The Indigo movement.
I guess us doing this video and the T.V show was always going to lead to some heated debate but as you say where is the art of conversation. I cannot explain heathygrl's behaviour but then to be honest I'm not going to waste my valuable time thinking about it.
Here's to some decent debate and discussion, at least some of the time :D
I'm off now but look forward to catching up with you soon VagraGuru :D
Only I can explain my behavior so I am glad that you didn't waste time trying to.
I lost my temper last night (at 4 am) because I was trying to have a conversation with you and Varja and was repeatedly blocked from posting because I was posting too fast. This is my first time blogging and am learning how.
I became personal, abusive and out of control. I regret many things I said. (I wish I had just gone to bed :( ) I apologize sincerely and ask for your forgiveness, both Torchy and Varjra.
I am a very emotional person. When I get angry (or feel any other emotion) it is intense and I try to flow with it as best I can while staying in control. You may come across this a lot debating with Indigos, as it is the most common trait.
I've trawled through the posts as YouTube did its usual and mixed it all up and I've put them in order. Kendra (esotericonlineradio) has seen the whole thing and agrees with us on the madness of the whole thing. I did point out to her that she obviously hadn't read your site to come to the assumption she had. Not sure where all those supposed quotes came from but as you say that was the only thing we pulled her up on, and even then we were polite.
She has not read my site otherwise she would know it is very sensible and has nothing about a Maya 2012 doomsday prophecy, quite the opposite I have an article explaining that no such thing exists.
I am not sure why she is angry with us. We did not have a go at her. The only thing we complained about was her making up that we said things that we never did.
Nobody is being high and mighty.
Whatever happened to the 'art' of conversation. When people just spoke in a friendly manner like.
The problem people have with the Maya Doomsday prophecy is they do not actually understand the two calendars that they used.
There are two calendars, one representing the inner self, the way we mankind are now and a time line of our existence of how we are now, and also an secondary calendar that represents the infinite cycle of life. The inner calendar simply shows an end of an era, the outer calendar shows very plainly life does go on.
Mankind no doubt will have to change its ways, rethink and so forth. The inner calendar the one everyone is terrified of, the supposed doomsday prophecy is just showing a change within mankinds existence, not the end of it. Hence the secondary outer calendar,
It is really quite simple when you have the whole picture rather than just seeing only what you want to...lol
Im looking forward to 2012, we need change and it is coming, and thankfully by the looks of it, we are going to get it ;O)
thank you. I did not know this information about the Maya Calendar. :) While I respected the Mayans knowledge I knew there must be some other explanation for "time ending" So as you teach me this I just "KNOW" it to be true. Until and if I come across other info that resonates more. This is what we mean by we just know. With Love Heather :)
But, in some cases what we are about is irrelevant..for some reason they don't want to listen to what we are really saying..you will also see much proof, in the latter stages, of someone seeing and reading what they want..in the way of quotes being brought up that never existed in the first place and other things that we certainly have never mentioned. I did wonder if heathygrl and me were talking about the same video and same responses.
At bthe end of the day some people have decided we are Indigo Hating Demons of Darkness and nothing we can say can change that because they don't want to see it. It's like they need to vent some anger or something and we have turned up just in time to be the focus for all that is pent up inside them. I am really happy discussing this subject with the people we have on our forum and with some on here and for the most part they see where we are coming from.
esotericonline I wouldn't waste your time. In one night we have gone from decent and friendly to raving banshee for no reason at all. It has been like talking to two different people. The posts have been messed up a bit but when I have time I will try to find them and copy and paste to you so you can see how bizzare it has all been. I'm sure vajraguru will agree with me. It has been one of the weirdest few hours I've ever had on here..and thats saying something..LOL
lol, you know whatI dontget Torchy,it is painfully obvious to nyone who visits Esoteric Online,watches our videos on other subjects that we as a group are actually well balanced,and infact respect the majority of beliefs out there. We do know our stuff on so many Esoteric/Spiritual Subjects. Why are people not asking themselves then,why would this group who have so much respect for other beliefs,even similar beliefs to the Indigo thing,have such a huge issue with the Indigo Movement.
I certainly would agree with torchy I have no idea why the indigos are acting like we have been punching them and swearing are heads off. It was just a calm relaxed chat about the indigo subject from our end.
I kept saying I have lots of Indigo friends but even that was not enough to keep things calm apparently.
Regarding the video how mediums see spirit. Ask yourself why a group that understands,appreciates and can describe accurately how mediums see spirit and other such subjects,why we are so against the Indigo Phenomena.
We appreciate and respect all beliefs as long as they hurt no one and the individuals who are choosing that belief system are adults!
Think about it,why would a group like Esoteric Online who obviously know there stuff when it comes to other Esoteric Subjects be so against something that on the surface would appear to simply be another spiritual belief system.
What part of the Indigo Phenomena are we actually speaking out against.
But.....If that belief system meant forceing chidlren into running around naked in teh moonlight and eating soil that had been touced by a ray of the moon,then I would have problems,Now can you see the issues we have with Indigos,especially the fanatics?
Oh and lastly..the reason I asked if you had read what vajra has actually said about 2012 is that he makes no mention of the sky falling in or anything like that. In fact he states he does not go for any of that doomsday stuff. His 2012 is merely about major changes in our solar system.
I will not ban you as much as you are irritating me..because if I did no doubt you'd go running back saying we banned you because we couldn't answer your questions. IF you ask a decent question (one that I haven't already answered 100times) or make a decent statment then I will respond. However while you are acting like a raving banshee I am going to ignore you, just as you have ignored ALL the comments I have put up regarding your behaviour.
I did and thats why I asked if you'd read it..as in properly. The only thing I can think is that when it was just us you were fine..but now you have to go all anti incase any of your Indigo friends appear. "I have been so good to you people"..yes you have, and we have been respectful in return. Hell even the odd bit of banter has gone between us.
Have you read his stuff on 2012 ? Eeeerm please find me the bit where we say about others agreeing with us then having to leave. Are you sure you aren't looking at another video and the posts and getting them mixed up, because this stuff is certainly not anything that we've said. All I can think is, the decent attitude earlier was an act and now we are seeing the real you. The posts have yet again been mixed up but I have now saved them.
You can believe what your reading after all aren't in a extremest cult. Stop acting so high and mighty. Errrrm I don't understand I have been so good to you people!
I see this is just a forum to diss a group and "save the children" When I'm gone you can say I agreed with you and had to leave like you have all the others. What a joke.
Vajra good luck with all that "the sky is fallin shit!" What happens in 2012 when the sky is still there? what are you going to do drink some purple cool aid?
"you belittle all of us Indigos"..we have many Indigos on our forum and on here who would give a very different opinion on that one. Talk about ignoring the bits that it suits you to ignore. Maybe a few too many home truths in what vajra and I have said..I don't know. What I do know is boy can your mood change like the weather.
heathgrl I have been saving these pages as I cannot believe what I am reading. You are such a double personality it is amazing and before you say it I am NOT meaning that in any mental health way Point out where I have said you are all child abusers..how often have I said we are concerned about the extremists but we know that that doesn't go for all indigos. I have been civil as it happens but you've quoted me as saying those words. Where exactly is that, or are you seeing what you want to see ?
You know whats getting me..you post a question and if I haven't responded within 5 minutes you are saying "anser my questions please or are you finding it hard to answer". I post to you with comments and a question and 20 minutes later I am still waiting for a response.
I am not asking you to answer me anything anymore. We don't abuse children. It is clear you see what you want to see and refuse to hear me. You belittle all of us Indigos and then say, "I am being civil." OK Torchy if that's civil I'm glad I don't know you in person.
Vajra has NOT said it is important to change the subject. He and I were talking about something (and clearly it was him and I) and you suggested we were somehow batting you back and for. Vajra was merely explaining why we were discussing it..why it was important for us.
What questions exactly are you asking me to answer ? If it is about the proof and our reasons for concerns about mistreatment of children then I have already answered 100 times.
Ok heathygrl I don't know what game you are playing but you know what, I've had enough of it. We have given proof and reasons for our concerns about the way in which children could be harmed. We have answered your question on this a number of times. I have even sent you a very polite message explaining this. You are just coming up with the same stuff time and time again. We have answered your other questions..such as about Catholisism yet you have not responded.
If your lookin for child abusers please stick to the general public!!!!!!!
Or give me some proof that because when an Indigo reads his child is superior that leads them to abuse their child!!!! You say we abuse children cuz we show them off on the internet. Whatever. (and torchy all my questions to you are now rhetorical.
Even the 13 year old boy told you these are common misconceptions (Despite what the first 10 pages you run across say.) We all first came upon those in the beginning. But did you also notice the trate in the same lists of questioning everything and always searching for a better way? I'm it didn't take any of us long to throw the superior crap out the window!!!! And I have said THIS before!
My last post was to heathygrl. Vajra is merely stating an opinion on something he and I were talking about earlier and is not asking a question of any sort. This is in reply to Vajra..I look forward to reading any articles you write on this subject.
Again it depends on what you mean by abuse. But if by that you mean the mistreatemnt of children or actions that could cause them psychological problems in the future then yes. And remember it isn't just about the illnesses it is about the supposed segregation etc etc aswell.
My findings on the coming interstellar storms is much more worrying than what Indigos believe or not.
I would advise any intuitive to find a path toward enlightenment as quick as they can. If they call themselves an Indigo still once they fins a sensible path of self development that is up to them.
There is no spare time though for people to be held back by the lies of those that started all this. Children should be treated as beloved children, not as world saving, 12 strand, indigo aura kids.
"although making your child sing or do anything when they don't want to is wrong parents make that decision off their own backs, not because someone tells them to."
Why is that not true of Indigo parents? You googled and read 10 pages, see videos and hear we don't think some illnesses are illnesses and somehow conclude that is basis for abuse.
Frankly this subject is not nearly as important as 2012 things I write about so I hope no indigos think I spend my time scared of indigos or getting angry at them.
I am only here to share the findings of my research into the true origin of the subject.
What questions ? We are making statments yes but if you notice that is me and VajraGuru talking to eachother giving you time to respond to the answers and comments we make in regard to questions and comments you have made to us. If you notice when I respond to VajraGuru I put his name first to show it is him I am talking to.
I am specifically wound up about the two of you changing the subject all the time... You're now talking about genetic mutation!!!! Why can't we not discuss one topic at a time? You are specifically directing your questions at me right?
eermmm we are only posting in response to your questions and comments heathygrl. You are putting comments up that have no basis about things we supposidly are saying or suggesting and we are saying that you have got it wrong. You asked a question about catholisism and I replied. You asked a question of VajraGuru and he replied. I really am not sure what you are now so wound up about and I'm sure anyone else who reads this will be as confused as I am.
Do you want to hear my answers or not! I think you have forgotten what has been said in earlier posts and your view seems to be evolving as I explain.
Since I have been allowed again to post the two of you have asked me countless questions. All different issues. Give me a break here please. You two are bouncing me back and forth between you. I answer one person the other... without reading the previous posts says "who gave you that idea? Please don't be so defensive." I am getting angry now. And almost ready to wash my hands of the entire thing!!!
VajraGuru, this is true of course. If the "gebetic mutation" only happened at this time then what explains the belief that this has been around for generations. But, I guess little attention should be payed to anything she has said as the main reason she gave for knowing all of this was the seeing of auras. That it is said was the starting point of it all..so if that was untrue so must be what followed.
I also have to say that although making your child sing or do anything when they don't want to is wrong parents make that decision off their own backs, not because someone tells them to. Outside that their kids are normal brought up just like any other kids. Of course I can't say this for all children but the majority.
It is also important to understand that the type of 'new children' she has identified are apparently a genetic mutation she only saw from 1982.
So anyone that reads thinks they are one of those new children but was born before 1982 is 100% deluded. She believes it is a genetic abnormality that has mutated since 1982 and she never saw anyone like it before that.
"If I was young in this age of technology. Do you think My family would have stopped at the living room?"
I can't answer that heathygrl but I sincerly hope not if it was something you didn't want to do. What are you trying to prove..not sure what point you are trying to make here. And I agree Vajra, with people believing in the Indigo aura thing because of someone who now retracts her claims they have to ask questions.
"You sang in front of the family, these kids are forced to lecture the world. "
If I was young in this age of technology. Do you think My family would have stopped at the living room? I have bumped into countless parent putting all videos of their children online.
I believe they should make that decision themselves, when they are old enough to understand the whole religon thing and decide their "path" for themselves.
"Do you have the same issues with Cathlics taking their children to sunday school? "
Not in the same way. Since when have Catholics turned against medical advice..or said "children aren't disabled they are catholics". Since when do Catholics put their children on YouTube spounting words of "wisdom"..again I could go on. I do not agree with Catholic parents forcing their children to be confirmed etc however..
But we seem to be answering the same questions and being accused of the same things time and time again. I don't know where you are getting your ideas from, like Vajra being on some mission to close down sites..but I certainly haven't read or seen anything to even remotely suggest this.
heathygrl Vajra has made it clear he has no problem in general with the belief even though he doesn't believe in it himself. He has made it clear where his problem lies. And he certainly hasn't suggested tasking down any sites or any mission. Where are you getting all this from ????
Vajra "If this was genuinely based on something sensible I would honestly have no problem with it."
It is based on something sensible. You heard it all and didn't prescribe to it. Can you disagree with something and have no problem with it. can't you just leave it to others to believe in? If your mission is to take down the sites saying we are superior. Ok fine with me... but your missing the point of becoming enlightened.
Firstly I would suggest to not in any way whatsoever define your child as indigo/crystal, but to experience you with your child as one and equal as you.
And again when you mention the Indigo writers Vajra we have to emphasize the point that one of the main writers in this, the one that many Indigos hold strong as basis for their belief has now admitted she could never see auras at all. And yet people put the belief on their children and make them "performers" on the back of it.
Forcing a child to do anything that effects them emotionally in a negative way is mistreatment in my mind. As I have said I have never used the word "abuse" in this matter as it is so open to misenterpretation.
We are fine with people having the belief when it is not so extreme as to involve treating their children any differently to how other children are treated. We are fine as long as children are not pulled into it by default, letting them choose their beliefs when they are old enough to find their own paths. heathygrl but we can't make any of this any clearer. And, despite what you say your attitude is yet again becoming defensive. Look at your posts over the last few hrs and see for yourself.
I'm not sure what further proof you need about you abusing kids..although I defy you to find anywhere where I have used that particular wording. We are classing the mistreatment of children as denying them help they need for disabilities, to help them achieve their full potential. As VajraGuru so rightly says, just look on Google for examples of kids not being allowed to be kids. The list goes on but has been made clear many many times during this discussion.
So now you are only concerned for some children. And you don't mind at all if I am an indigo, try to tell as many people as I can about my wonderful beliefs and I don't have to show you the basis or proof of my beliefs? Is that right?
What I am saying about the book is that it, once again treats Indigo children as different as needing specialised care. Everything in that book is in all books about healthy eating but by aiming it specifically at the parents of indigo children she knows she is garaubteed sales. And we can find books over here about such things for about £3.00, cheaper if you go to second hand book shops which are always full of them. But, that is not the point. And I agree VajraGuru abuse can mean many things
"The care and feeding of Indigo children" goes for $11.16 USD I don't know where your from but here in Canada that's dirt cheap for a book. If you can find the same info for $5.50 do let me know, that's a great deal. True she is making money selling these books. So now it is wrong to sell a book for money? I am still waiting for proof that we abuse our children at a higher rate than the general public. (I don't take this personally. :) It's all good.
Just search indigo on youtube and you will see all the videos of people trying to force there kids to speak wisely to the world instead of just letting them be kids.
Indigo childen...star children...
New Age garbage!!!
COMPOUNDCOLLECTIVE 2 years ago 2
It does make me laugh that you seem to have placed the President alongside God in terms of importance though.
torchy1970 2 years ago 2
jlhenney..it amazes me just how at odds you Indigo believers are. For people who all follow the same belief system you all seem to contradict eachother at every turn and what's more worrying you don't know what other 'believers' believe. Look through the various posts on here and the various web-sites about Indigos and you will see many places where we have seen that said. Good to see that you feel many of your Indigo believing associates are mad though.
torchy1970 2 years ago 3
"Indigos, are beings who have a very strong connection to the higher dimensions"
"not the president or a god to be worshiped "
Well thank goodness for that, for a moment there I thought you were going to say they were actually human!
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
Ok...I am an indigo person, and I want to ask you, where on earth has anybody ever seen somebody say that indigo children authority should not be questioned ??!?!
What kind of rubbish is that?
If anyone says that, they are mad and they do not know what indigo children are..Indigos, are beings who have a very strong connection to the higher dimensions to bring guidance at this time of great change..that is what they are..not the president or a god to be worshiped
jlhenney 2 years ago
@jlhenney I am also an indigo and I support this statement strongly. We do not want to be worshipped. We are loving souls happy to come here and play our role as guides into the new age.
cc0ldt 1 year ago
That's shocking torchy. I too have noticed there's been no response to questions. I'm sorry but but to me is child abuse and should be stopped. It's ridiculous and upsetting to know that innocents minds are being manipulated by very troubled people. And the arrogance I've seen is appalling.
idazine 2 years ago
You know..I've been going through other films about Indigo children on here and I've had to stop because I can feel myself getting so angry. Kids doing readings, kids prophesizing, kids talking about death before they have even lived !! The more I watch the more I feel sickened by all of this. And, it is becoming very clear that no-one on here is capable of answering any of our questions.
torchy1970 2 years ago
ah right...when we've got it on here I will let you know.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Hopefully before Christmas.
timerty 2 years ago
Did you miss it timerty ? If so don't worry, we'll be getting a copy which will be put on here and on our web-site in full....am going to make sure people know about the very very negative side of the whole Indigo thing.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I live in Singapore and can't get to watch British TV.
timerty 2 years ago
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torchy1970 2 years ago
Quick post an audio transcript of the show!
timerty 2 years ago
I'd be happy to be your PR person torchy and thank you. I really did enjoy the programme and found it well presented and informative. It's lovely to hear the comments elsewhere are supportive..you deserve it. I was commenting on another vid here of yours yesterday but can't find it. When you can would you mind diverting me to others please. I can sift through the others but going directly to them is always best. Take care from you very own PR xx :)
idazine 2 years ago
Why thank you idazine for the comment on the T.V show and all your other comments about us. The T.V show was meant to make people think and question and by the responses we've had on various forums etc we have done just that. We've still got a long way to go but we've made a good start. Am going to start calling you our P.R person if you're not careful..but your comments are sincerely appreciated..
anne
esoteric online radio
torchy1970 2 years ago
Round of applause torchy..thoroughly enjoyed your discussion and logic. Hope to see more of you on TV warning people of the hidden dangers in the psychic world :)
idazine 2 years ago
TONIGHT 7P.M SKY CHANNEL 200
:)
torchy1970 2 years ago
Thanks torchy1970 I do admire your attitude and I'll gladly contribute to any of your videos as I feel you speak a lot of sense. To anyone out there who have felt like I do please contact the team at Esoteric. They were marvellous with me yesterday and dealt with my upset admirably. Torchy if I receive any more messages like that one I'll let you know asap. Thanks for everything and I'll be seeing you here and on others whenever you like :)
idazine 2 years ago
Thank you idazine..we are certainly going to keep up this debate and make sure we get our concerns out there in the public domain. If there is anything you wish to contribute you are more than welcome and no doubt we'll see a lot of you on these videos and hopefully when we put the video of the full t.v programme up. In the meantime please let us know if you get any more hateful messages xx
torchy1970 2 years ago
I wish you guys at Esoteric great success with your debates. I'm highly impressed with your approach and it needs to be said to protect innocent children from a potentially dangerous charade. I'm appalled at the attitudes of the Indigo followers and it most certainly doesn't help their "cause" whatsoever. I will happily contribute my opinions wherever necessary as a mum with first hand knowledge of Autism and ADHD. I do know what these disabilities can entail. Children need protecting from this.
idazine 2 years ago
oh just before I go...
"cue the three stooges..all for one and one for all"
That was actually the three muskateers ;)
torchy1970 2 years ago
Anyway..I'm off to watch tele..there's finally something decent on !
torchy1970 2 years ago
Oh and also, please read out stuff on this..you'll notice that the fixation on "drugs" seems to be coming from the Indigo's and not us. We are happy to tak in terms of many therapies..we just ask that children with these problems get the help they need. In fact we all feel that drugs should ALWAYS be the last resort. It's just some people only see what they want to see...oh and still not jumping up and down in any sort of rage ;)
torchy1970 2 years ago
Please though everyone please bare in mind the non-extremists who themselves are concerned about this "element" within the movement and with whome we are currently having some very good debate. We mustn't judge all all the minority the likes of whome we are seeing at the moment. One more purpose was to show how some people within the movement seem unable to take on board any other views..luckily for us these types of posts prove our point.
torchy1970 2 years ago
LOL no, the purpose of this debate is to bring up some potential problems regarding the safety and well being of children with problems that people within the Indigo movement seem to deny exist, as will be clear to anyone properly reading our site and watching our response video will see. Of course the other purpose is to show how many extremists within this movement react with agression when challenged and how they avoid the subject by making remarks such as the one you just made
torchy1970 2 years ago
The purpose of this debate is to disprove the Indigo theory = the backgrounds of torchy, jaffaspud + esoteric is in MENTAL HEALTH AND PSYCHOLOGY their purpose to disprove existence of indigos advocating placing those who claim to be indigo on psychiatric medication - Question: whose agenda are they following? The indigo movement threatens their livelihoods. Hardly an open minded investigation - Cue the three stooges .....all for one and one for all! tardarr!
ascend2luv 2 years ago
Oh and by the way, if you do watch it and want to commen just pop back here to do it. Didn't see the point in people commenting on it over there when it is so linked to this video. In a way it is just a way of doing a huge text response to what has been said about all of this so far. But, as you know, with youtube trying to do a big text response is impossible..it all gets mixed up.
torchy1970 2 years ago
The problem would be the practicalities and cost of doing such an experiment i.e getting everyone together and all that. It is something to think about though. The thing is aswell we aren't really questioning the Indigo belief itself..just because we don't believe doesn't mean we have the right to try to destroy another's belief. Have you watched my "response" video which kind of clarifies things ?
torchy1970 2 years ago
Ah but that would mean we'd all have to believe in psychic ability..and I know of many people who would never consider it a possibility enough to even give it a try. I'd be happy to use a psychic that the Indigo's were happy with to be honest..I'd put plenty of controls in place to make sure that no one could be recognised by him/her so really that wouldn't matter. If we chose someone there could be all sorts of allegations etc of fixing it. :)
torchy1970 2 years ago
If we all trained our psychic abilities we didn't need a psychic nor an Indigo test :-) I'm also aware that such a test won't be seen as scientific proof, but it could be an interesting experiment. We only need to find a psychic everyone agrees with. That will be the next impossible quest ;-)
Still I think that we could discover interesting stuff and perhaps some proof as well if we all keep an open mind.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
For us it will be pseudoscience because there is no way to "test" someones claim that they can see auras..however there are people that believe certain psychics when they say that AND believe these people can see Indigo auras so I'd be happy to do this on the basis that while it is an experiment it is not totally scientific and doesn't actually prove anything 100% whatever the result..
torchy1970 2 years ago
I agree but, if they claim they can when they can't then this would be proven in the results. Of course the Indigo's might well use that as the reason it didn't work rather than it being anything to do with the indigo thing itself. Ideally we should ask Nancy Anne Tappe but of course she's admitted she lied. I guess we'd have to use someone that believed in Indigo and was trusted by the Indigo community. That way if the results are negative they can't complain about the "psychic"
torchy1970 2 years ago
Great idea for an experiment,only one flaw. we wouold have to prove firstly that the person who were supposedly able to read auras was able to do what they claim.
The medical community do not recognise auras,so this would all be a form of pseudo from the outset, :O(
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
I agree that the eduaction system is lacking in many ways, as is the medical system. But, that goes, in my opinion, for all cases not just where Indigo children are concerned so I totally agree with you. And yes society is changing but should children who supposidly have more "psychic" ability, even if this is the case, I think they should be allowed to be children first and foremost and learn about this stuff when they are older if they so wish. Just my opinion :)
torchy1970 2 years ago
Indeed it would comtesse. Not sure we could get 500 people together and it would depend on how many people would be willing to participate but we would be more than willing to carry out an experiment and make public the results whatever they might be :)
torchy1970 2 years ago
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torchy1970 2 years ago
Typos, typos, lol ;-)
Anyway, here is one of my silly but excellent ideas. If you want to prove that Indigos exist do the following. Hire a psychic or aura reader that is able to SEE auras. Find a group of 500 people of all ages, some of them resonate totally with the Indigo phenomenon and others are die-hard skeptics. Then you'll see if there is any truth in the indigo aura claim. I think such a test would be cool :)
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
If you take the Indigo phenomenon literally then the Indigos are the ones who show the world what is dysfunctional and in need of change. They're behavior is dysfunctional, so what tells this about the way we relate to one another and to the way we treat our children?
That is one way to look at it. My own point of view: society is changing, humanity evolves and the children who are more psychic, have different outlooks and needs are a sign of the time we are living in.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
There are some really good tips in Doreen Virtue's book, but I agree that it's not only the Indigo Children who need to change their diet. Same thing with the school system, we all need good education and equal chances. I actually think that the entire school system need a total reform and that everyone should benefit from the changes.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
People who are seeing us as evil sceptics should look at our site and see what we are really about..I think they'd be surprised. And, for proof of our fairness they should listen to our interview with Gary Mannion on here. We don't neccessarily believe in what he does but we had some concerns which he discussed in the interview and we basically think fair enough. In posts I've evn ribbed the sceptics who are on about "stopping" him.
torchy1970 2 years ago
To me I have to admit this is just someone jumping on the Indigo Money Making bandwagon. The problem is Indigo parents buy this stuff believing their child is different and needs different care and feeding. The child then feels different and are told they are different. These sorts of things are our concern..
;)
torchy1970 2 years ago
It's like the book by Doreen Virtue "The care and feeing of an Indigo Child" for a start that it the type of title you expect to find about your hamster or gerbil. But secondly in it she talks about a healthy diet and brain food etc as if this is only true of Indigo children. Why differentiaite..surely ALL children should have this and there are numerous books out there for parents who want to bring up healthy kids. But again we see a book suggesting that indigo children are "different"
torchy1970 2 years ago
And don't worry about typos...my posts are usually " typo city !! " .. I blame my keyboard :D
torchy1970 2 years ago
Are these comments myths ? Because on every web-site I've come across, and in every book I've read these are the things that are said. We are not saying all Indigos think like this but this is certainly how the majority think. We have said though that if we come across another side, people who believe in Indigo but think these things are going too far we will make that clear in the follow up programme. Will will not tarr all with the same brush if we have proof there is another side :)
torchy1970 2 years ago
Ok.. Indigo children are more advanced and should not be told off for anything they do or say because they are of a higher vibration. Children diognosed with autism or adhd are actually Indigo and therefore should not be medicated or given therapies etc but should be treated like Indigos and allowed to find their own way. Indigo children should be segregated from other children as they need to be around children "like them" and ideally they should be schooled at home or in special schools.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Sorry for the previous typos. There's never enough space to express yourself clearly in this tiny little YouTube textbox.
But anyway, I was just reflecting my thoughts, I don't feel the need to oppose anyone although I also don't agree with everyone.
And thanks for letting us know when we can expect the show. After the debate there will be plenty of new subjects to talk about. Let's say it keeps us busy and focused :)
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
There lies a danger in any myth and any label, myths CAN turn into cults and in misunderstandings. That's why it's important to questions those myths. Not to expose innocent children, but to get to the core of an issue and to understand what is really going on.
In every book about Indigos we can read that this need for clarity, openess and sincerity are the magical qualities of the Indigo child. Fun isn't it ;-)
So let's bust the myth, seek the truth and speak the truth. That's sooo Indigo :)
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
I think my last message disappeared somewhere in cyberspace.
But there aren't many people, certainly not "the Indigos", who see themselves as superior saviors that need to be worshipped. I rather see them as spiritually inspired.
And I see the New Age movement in the same light as the hippie movement. Indigos or the new children are part of that movement. They're not a cult, they don't follow a leader. They just want to make a change.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
Thank you comtesse for understanding where we are coming from and trying to out this into some sort of perspective.
torchy1970 2 years ago
It will be at the end of this month. As soon as we have the date and time we'll post it. You are right this is more to do with how the children are raised, and our concerns are about that side of things. What people believe in is up to them but when parents refuse to accept their child has problems and therefore refuse any help for them or suggest they should go to special schools and be segregated from other children it raises concerns for us.
torchy1970 2 years ago
When exactly will this debate be broadcasted? So we at least know if it's worth all the quarreling and confusion.
I think where most of the skeptics disagree that this doesn't have much to do with the Indigo phenomenon at all. But with with the question: what is the proper way to raise a child and to help child when it is troubled in one way or another?
Meds or no meds, therapy or healing and makes a child a happy and healthy child? That are the real questions to be asked.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
heathygrl, you are just going round in circles, torchy has answered you on many occasions and been honest with her answers, we are yet to see the same from you !!!!
jaffaspud 2 years ago
I'm not going to "defend " myself against you anymore. We have stated clearly where we are coming from on this and where we have got our information from. And, having visited other forums etc we have found that despite what we are told, the ideas etc pretty much run through the Indigo community. You don't believe science has all the answers, fine, neither do we..but you refuse to admit that science has any answers even though there is solid prrof of some of those.
torchy1970 2 years ago
When it comes to the flat earth thing I was merely passing comment, saying that we sometimes get it wrong about science has said/done. Am I not allowed to mention now when something is said that isn't actually true ????? And the fact I said I only know because I myself got it wrong should show it was not meant vindictively !! I get the feeling it is you who wants to keep the fight going and do you realise how negative you are..to anyone that doesn't believe what you do ?
torchy1970 2 years ago
ok heathygrl getting really fed up of this now. I have explained many many times where are understanding of Indigos comes from i.e nearly all the sites we go on. For example saying that an indigo child cannot be told off because they are of a higher vibration and are superior to us etc. Re medication it is not that the parents refuse to medicate their kids it is the fact that they don't accept there is a problem and accept help and therapies etc.
torchy1970 2 years ago
tuffguy it's good to see you on here, I thought you might have disappeared while I was away. Would have missed your charm immensly xxxxxx
torchy1970 2 years ago
Ok..this is weird all the ones I do saying "testing testing" (they're the ones I deleted) are coming up but others aren't.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Have tried a few times to post comments you watch all of a sudden they'll all come up and where I've tried a few times the comments will be duplicated all over the place.
torchy1970 2 years ago
yes youtube can do this at times, it's a pain in the behind
jaffaspud 2 years ago
Sorry having problems posting hence deleted posts etc. Normal service will be resumed soon....I hope :(
torchy1970 2 years ago
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torchy1970 2 years ago
Hi heathygrl and vagragurru333..apology accepted and all that :)
The sound will be fine on the t.v programme obviously. Most people can hear it fine though.
Can I just say heathygrl it is a misconception that scientists ever thought the world was flat. Science has never seen or reported it that way. I only know cause I used that example once and was jumped on for it, so I checked and they were right..
torchy1970 2 years ago
It was just an example to show that what scientists believe changes as they do more research. So don't think what they say now is written in stone. It may be disproved later.
heathygrl 2 years ago
I can't barely even understand what they are saying. The sound is too muffled
ShesThe1yup 2 years ago
good job its not worth listening to
Tuffguy666 2 years ago
Heathygyrl,
I had time to ponder many things, and I realised I needed to be more honest with everyone. I have not fully revealed my intentions, aims, and motivation to you or to esotericonline.
I have decided that I must be fully honest in what I am doing here. Hopefully when you read my full admission either in the Indigo FB group, or in esotericonlines forum you will forgive me, and maybe see me as a friend again?
And don't worry about the anger I used to be terrible for it!
Om Shanti
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
I read your full letter.
You are definitely my friend. I also apologize for judging and dismissing you earlier. That is my Karmic Lesson according to numerology. Its 6 -a major issue with commitment and responsibility to others. Thanks for the help on that one. :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
"people who's aura's are the colour indigo"... "have the level of consciousness that comes with that level of vibration"
this is how I understand it. :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
I agree completely.
heathygrl 2 years ago
Comtesse,
This is a really tricky subject to debate as for many people Indigo has been helpful or at least harmless.
However in many other cases it seems to have been harmful, or is potentially going to be.
My only thought is to get the truths out there and then its up to the individual how they respond, sound fair enough?
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
esotericonlineradio: I actually mean that any label can be used as a tool of self-discovery. But of course there's a difference between a 16 year old who reads about Indigos and wants to find out if he's an Indigo himself and a 5 year old that's exposed to the public by his family because he speaks 12 languages fluently.
Every idea, label or hype has its downsides, it depends what you DO with it. And I think it's good to question those things that aren't quite right.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
"a 5 year old that's exposed to the public by his family because he speaks 12 languages fluently."
I believe this is an Internet Issue and not a Indigo issue. :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
VajraGuru333 wrote: All the main figures involved with that espoused Indigo data are busy distancing themselves from the subject.
That's something I didn't know, I'm curious why they are distancing themselves. I see the Indigo phenomenon as a label that comes handy when you are trying to figure out who you are and the kind of energies and ideas you resonate with.
Labels can be both empowering or disempowering. The Indigo label empowers people, and many of us need this empowerment.
comtessehollandaise 2 years ago
Im sorry,something that comes in handy?
Just had to make sure I read that correctly.
So something that comes in handy is ok to affect the lives of thousands of children around the globe regardles at what cost,even if that handy thingc ould be completely wrong?
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
Comtesse
I totally agree with you. It has been handy for a lot of people to meet each other and chat which is great.
The flip side is that some people have taken it waaaay to seriously more so in America then UK. They even want segregated schools for the special kids!
The reason people are distancing themself is that Lee Carroll just realised a new book and in it Nancy Tappe admits says she could never see auras and that people made that up.
Hence people distancing themselves from fallout!
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
Hey esotericonline
Birth is always painful right...but I think most would agree the pain is worthwhile!
The coming couple of decades will test humanities metal, but so what?
Who wants a dumb life with no opportunity for rapid growth right?
As long as people are spiritually and psychologically ready then all is well no matter how tricky things get in my view.
Glad to hear you too look forward to the challenges offered by the cosmos!
Here's to creating a golden age!
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
(Here's to creating a golden age! )
With you on that one matey ;O)
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
I love you guys! :) :)
I for one and speaking as an Indigo...
we are all on the same page :) We are all ONE.
"As long as people are spiritually and psychologically ready then all is well no matter how tricky things get in my view."
Be assured everyone is ready. Everything is as it should be. This is bigger than us. It will happen regardless of our actions or inactions.
:)
heathygrl 2 years ago
torchy,
Have a nice day. I am keeping busy posting correction comments to peoples rubbish about 2012 on YouTube videos. My idea of a good start to the day.
lol
Chat later
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
"I am keeping busy posting correction comments to peoples rubbish about 2012 on YouTube videos."
Statements like these make me think you feel your "truth" is much more true than others who disagree with you. I feel you are confusing your opinion with the truth. And I feel this is ego based.
This of course this is my own opinion and not the truth. I see myself in you as my world is my mirror. Blessed Be :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
Heathygyrl,
I can see how that read like that, for the sake of clarity though it was not the case. I was not bashing their 2012 theories or beliefs I was correcting bad science and incorrect astronomy. Things that are certainly not just matters of opinion but solid facts.
Hope that clarifies! :-)
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
Vajra
"Things that are certainly not just matters of opinion but solid facts."
I believe science/knowledge is fluid. Depending on the world around us. For instance... I have "bipolar disorder". If I had this in some ancient cultures I might be labeled seer or oracle. Here and now the same symptoms get me locked up, shamed, and medicated.
heathygrl 2 years ago
heathygyrl,
I appreciate what your saying but I think we can agree that it would be dumb to say things like:
"The earth is a star"
"The world is flat"
"The moon is made of cheese"
I think correcting bad science in the 2012 subject is important otherwise the whole thing can be considered a joke by everyone, see what I mean?
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
and dumb to say:
"autism is a disease"
"the world is round"
A theory is only true until proven otherwise. The world is flat is an excellent example. At one time all respected scientist agreed, it is a solid fact that the earth is flat.
One thing you might do is go on there, tell them your knowledge without stating it as fact and see what they do with it. (Just an alternative. )
I do admire you for sharing your views. :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
Sorry I don't really understand what you mean.
If someone says, "the moon stands still."
I would say, "No, the moon orbits the Earth."
How else would we get toward scientific truths?
If we were having a spiritual debate rather than scientific, I might add that the moon, someone and myself do not exist in any fixed sense.
That is a totally different kind of conversation though.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
I'm just suggesting that instead of saying no and contradicting them, which may cause defensiveness, they may be more apt to hear what your saying. Especially about astronomy because not much of it is common knowledge like the moon orbits the earth.
Maybe we should talk about this in private cuz it's off topic and adding posts to the already hundreds :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
I think to be perfectly honest when the word went around all the Indigo groups that you had made a scathing program about indigos it was assumed you were evil mainstream sceptics.
Now that Indigos realise your actually involved in the new age, occult and esoteric realms yourself they are unsure how to proceed.
They expected you wanted a fight and obviously you don't. You are researchers wanting to get the facts straight.
You've been perfectly polite, even when they talked about your children
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
This isn't true of my experience. I appreciate you're trying to understand our position.
I got a message saying there is a group opposing an Indigo and they are attacking a 13 year old boy who is trying to defend Indigo and feeling very alone. And to please come and join the debate.
heathygrl 2 years ago
"Now that Indigos realise your actually involved in the new age, occult and esoteric realms yourself they are unsure how to proceed."
I don't care if you are Christian or New Age. You're mission seems to me to be to prove that Indigo is a fake, dangerous cult. Tell me if I got that wrong because I want to understand you?
I disagree with you, the Indigo movement is causing feelings of togetherness and love.
heathygrl 2 years ago
Suicide, parents showing off their children, people believing they are superior, and parents creating schools for children struggling with the current public school system are human nature and not caused by The Indigo movement.
heathygrl 2 years ago
I guess us doing this video and the T.V show was always going to lead to some heated debate but as you say where is the art of conversation. I cannot explain heathygrl's behaviour but then to be honest I'm not going to waste my valuable time thinking about it.
Here's to some decent debate and discussion, at least some of the time :D
I'm off now but look forward to catching up with you soon VagraGuru :D
torchy1970 2 years ago
Only I can explain my behavior so I am glad that you didn't waste time trying to.
I lost my temper last night (at 4 am) because I was trying to have a conversation with you and Varja and was repeatedly blocked from posting because I was posting too fast. This is my first time blogging and am learning how.
I became personal, abusive and out of control. I regret many things I said. (I wish I had just gone to bed :( ) I apologize sincerely and ask for your forgiveness, both Torchy and Varjra.
heathygrl 2 years ago
I am a very emotional person. When I get angry (or feel any other emotion) it is intense and I try to flow with it as best I can while staying in control. You may come across this a lot debating with Indigos, as it is the most common trait.
heathygrl 2 years ago
I've trawled through the posts as YouTube did its usual and mixed it all up and I've put them in order. Kendra (esotericonlineradio) has seen the whole thing and agrees with us on the madness of the whole thing. I did point out to her that she obviously hadn't read your site to come to the assumption she had. Not sure where all those supposed quotes came from but as you say that was the only thing we pulled her up on, and even then we were polite.
torchy1970 2 years ago
She has not read my site otherwise she would know it is very sensible and has nothing about a Maya 2012 doomsday prophecy, quite the opposite I have an article explaining that no such thing exists.
I am not sure why she is angry with us. We did not have a go at her. The only thing we complained about was her making up that we said things that we never did.
Nobody is being high and mighty.
Whatever happened to the 'art' of conversation. When people just spoke in a friendly manner like.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
The problem people have with the Maya Doomsday prophecy is they do not actually understand the two calendars that they used.
There are two calendars, one representing the inner self, the way we mankind are now and a time line of our existence of how we are now, and also an secondary calendar that represents the infinite cycle of life. The inner calendar simply shows an end of an era, the outer calendar shows very plainly life does go on.
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
Mankind no doubt will have to change its ways, rethink and so forth. The inner calendar the one everyone is terrified of, the supposed doomsday prophecy is just showing a change within mankinds existence, not the end of it. Hence the secondary outer calendar,
It is really quite simple when you have the whole picture rather than just seeing only what you want to...lol
Im looking forward to 2012, we need change and it is coming, and thankfully by the looks of it, we are going to get it ;O)
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
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heathygrl 2 years ago
It is our ego as human beings that believe we can effect the cosmos.
heathygrl 2 years ago
esotericonline
thank you. I did not know this information about the Maya Calendar. :) While I respected the Mayans knowledge I knew there must be some other explanation for "time ending" So as you teach me this I just "KNOW" it to be true. Until and if I come across other info that resonates more. This is what we mean by we just know. With Love Heather :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
I removed a post because it was in the wrong spot. :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
Have emailed you with an attachment ;)
torchy1970 2 years ago
But, in some cases what we are about is irrelevant..for some reason they don't want to listen to what we are really saying..you will also see much proof, in the latter stages, of someone seeing and reading what they want..in the way of quotes being brought up that never existed in the first place and other things that we certainly have never mentioned. I did wonder if heathygrl and me were talking about the same video and same responses.
torchy1970 2 years ago
At bthe end of the day some people have decided we are Indigo Hating Demons of Darkness and nothing we can say can change that because they don't want to see it. It's like they need to vent some anger or something and we have turned up just in time to be the focus for all that is pent up inside them. I am really happy discussing this subject with the people we have on our forum and with some on here and for the most part they see where we are coming from.
torchy1970 2 years ago
esotericonline I wouldn't waste your time. In one night we have gone from decent and friendly to raving banshee for no reason at all. It has been like talking to two different people. The posts have been messed up a bit but when I have time I will try to find them and copy and paste to you so you can see how bizzare it has all been. I'm sure vajraguru will agree with me. It has been one of the weirdest few hours I've ever had on here..and thats saying something..LOL
torchy1970 2 years ago
lol, you know whatI dontget Torchy,it is painfully obvious to nyone who visits Esoteric Online,watches our videos on other subjects that we as a group are actually well balanced,and infact respect the majority of beliefs out there. We do know our stuff on so many Esoteric/Spiritual Subjects. Why are people not asking themselves then,why would this group who have so much respect for other beliefs,even similar beliefs to the Indigo thing,have such a huge issue with the Indigo Movement.
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
esotericonline,
I certainly would agree with torchy I have no idea why the indigos are acting like we have been punching them and swearing are heads off. It was just a calm relaxed chat about the indigo subject from our end.
I kept saying I have lots of Indigo friends but even that was not enough to keep things calm apparently.
Now they think I am chicken little to boot.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
Regarding the video how mediums see spirit. Ask yourself why a group that understands,appreciates and can describe accurately how mediums see spirit and other such subjects,why we are so against the Indigo Phenomena.
We appreciate and respect all beliefs as long as they hurt no one and the individuals who are choosing that belief system are adults!
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
Think about it,why would a group like Esoteric Online who obviously know there stuff when it comes to other Esoteric Subjects be so against something that on the surface would appear to simply be another spiritual belief system.
What part of the Indigo Phenomena are we actually speaking out against.
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
But.....If that belief system meant forceing chidlren into running around naked in teh moonlight and eating soil that had been touced by a ray of the moon,then I would have problems,Now can you see the issues we have with Indigos,especially the fanatics?
esotericonlineradio 2 years ago
Oh and lastly..the reason I asked if you had read what vajra has actually said about 2012 is that he makes no mention of the sky falling in or anything like that. In fact he states he does not go for any of that doomsday stuff. His 2012 is merely about major changes in our solar system.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I will not ban you as much as you are irritating me..because if I did no doubt you'd go running back saying we banned you because we couldn't answer your questions. IF you ask a decent question (one that I haven't already answered 100times) or make a decent statment then I will respond. However while you are acting like a raving banshee I am going to ignore you, just as you have ignored ALL the comments I have put up regarding your behaviour.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I did and thats why I asked if you'd read it..as in properly. The only thing I can think is that when it was just us you were fine..but now you have to go all anti incase any of your Indigo friends appear. "I have been so good to you people"..yes you have, and we have been respectful in return. Hell even the odd bit of banter has gone between us.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Have you read his stuff on 2012 ? Eeeerm please find me the bit where we say about others agreeing with us then having to leave. Are you sure you aren't looking at another video and the posts and getting them mixed up, because this stuff is certainly not anything that we've said. All I can think is, the decent attitude earlier was an act and now we are seeing the real you. The posts have yet again been mixed up but I have now saved them.
torchy1970 2 years ago
You can believe what your reading after all aren't in a extremest cult. Stop acting so high and mighty. Errrrm I don't understand I have been so good to you people!
heathygrl 2 years ago
I see this is just a forum to diss a group and "save the children" When I'm gone you can say I agreed with you and had to leave like you have all the others. What a joke.
Vajra good luck with all that "the sky is fallin shit!" What happens in 2012 when the sky is still there? what are you going to do drink some purple cool aid?
heathygrl 2 years ago
"you belittle all of us Indigos"..we have many Indigos on our forum and on here who would give a very different opinion on that one. Talk about ignoring the bits that it suits you to ignore. Maybe a few too many home truths in what vajra and I have said..I don't know. What I do know is boy can your mood change like the weather.
torchy1970 2 years ago
heathgrl I have been saving these pages as I cannot believe what I am reading. You are such a double personality it is amazing and before you say it I am NOT meaning that in any mental health way Point out where I have said you are all child abusers..how often have I said we are concerned about the extremists but we know that that doesn't go for all indigos. I have been civil as it happens but you've quoted me as saying those words. Where exactly is that, or are you seeing what you want to see ?
torchy1970 2 years ago
You know whats getting me..you post a question and if I haven't responded within 5 minutes you are saying "anser my questions please or are you finding it hard to answer". I post to you with comments and a question and 20 minutes later I am still waiting for a response.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I am not asking you to answer me anything anymore. We don't abuse children. It is clear you see what you want to see and refuse to hear me. You belittle all of us Indigos and then say, "I am being civil." OK Torchy if that's civil I'm glad I don't know you in person.
heathygrl 2 years ago
Vajra has NOT said it is important to change the subject. He and I were talking about something (and clearly it was him and I) and you suggested we were somehow batting you back and for. Vajra was merely explaining why we were discussing it..why it was important for us.
What questions exactly are you asking me to answer ? If it is about the proof and our reasons for concerns about mistreatment of children then I have already answered 100 times.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Ok heathygrl I don't know what game you are playing but you know what, I've had enough of it. We have given proof and reasons for our concerns about the way in which children could be harmed. We have answered your question on this a number of times. I have even sent you a very polite message explaining this. You are just coming up with the same stuff time and time again. We have answered your other questions..such as about Catholisism yet you have not responded.
torchy1970 2 years ago
If your lookin for child abusers please stick to the general public!!!!!!!
Or give me some proof that because when an Indigo reads his child is superior that leads them to abuse their child!!!! You say we abuse children cuz we show them off on the internet. Whatever. (and torchy all my questions to you are now rhetorical.
heathygrl 2 years ago
What are common misconceptions ?
torchy1970 2 years ago
Try reading the end of the same post!!!!
heathygrl 2 years ago
All types of parents do these things!
Even the 13 year old boy told you these are common misconceptions (Despite what the first 10 pages you run across say.) We all first came upon those in the beginning. But did you also notice the trate in the same lists of questioning everything and always searching for a better way? I'm it didn't take any of us long to throw the superior crap out the window!!!! And I have said THIS before!
heathygrl 2 years ago
My last post was to heathygrl. Vajra is merely stating an opinion on something he and I were talking about earlier and is not asking a question of any sort. This is in reply to Vajra..I look forward to reading any articles you write on this subject.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Again it depends on what you mean by abuse. But if by that you mean the mistreatemnt of children or actions that could cause them psychological problems in the future then yes. And remember it isn't just about the illnesses it is about the supposed segregation etc etc aswell.
torchy1970 2 years ago
My findings on the coming interstellar storms is much more worrying than what Indigos believe or not.
I would advise any intuitive to find a path toward enlightenment as quick as they can. If they call themselves an Indigo still once they fins a sensible path of self development that is up to them.
There is no spare time though for people to be held back by the lies of those that started all this. Children should be treated as beloved children, not as world saving, 12 strand, indigo aura kids.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
"although making your child sing or do anything when they don't want to is wrong parents make that decision off their own backs, not because someone tells them to."
Why is that not true of Indigo parents? You googled and read 10 pages, see videos and hear we don't think some illnesses are illnesses and somehow conclude that is basis for abuse.
heathygrl 2 years ago
Frankly this subject is not nearly as important as 2012 things I write about so I hope no indigos think I spend my time scared of indigos or getting angry at them.
I am only here to share the findings of my research into the true origin of the subject.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
heathy,
The genetic mutation is the root of the whole indigo phenomena apparently, hence it is important to mention it.
Why be angry at us?
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
We'll talk about that another time... first answer my questions please or are you finding it hard to answer.
I don't know about you torchy but Varja is saying it's important to change the subject.
heathygrl 2 years ago
What questions ? We are making statments yes but if you notice that is me and VajraGuru talking to eachother giving you time to respond to the answers and comments we make in regard to questions and comments you have made to us. If you notice when I respond to VajraGuru I put his name first to show it is him I am talking to.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I am specifically wound up about the two of you changing the subject all the time... You're now talking about genetic mutation!!!! Why can't we not discuss one topic at a time? You are specifically directing your questions at me right?
heathygrl 2 years ago
No questions apart from the retorical ones that is.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Apart from the bit about Nancy Ann Tappe I haven't asked any questions..I have merely been answering yours.
torchy1970 2 years ago
If there are any Indigos watching and you have an answer to any of their questions. Please jump in :)
heathygrl 2 years ago
eermmm we are only posting in response to your questions and comments heathygrl. You are putting comments up that have no basis about things we supposidly are saying or suggesting and we are saying that you have got it wrong. You asked a question about catholisism and I replied. You asked a question of VajraGuru and he replied. I really am not sure what you are now so wound up about and I'm sure anyone else who reads this will be as confused as I am.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Do you want to hear my answers or not! I think you have forgotten what has been said in earlier posts and your view seems to be evolving as I explain.
heathygrl 2 years ago
Since I have been allowed again to post the two of you have asked me countless questions. All different issues. Give me a break here please. You two are bouncing me back and forth between you. I answer one person the other... without reading the previous posts says "who gave you that idea? Please don't be so defensive." I am getting angry now. And almost ready to wash my hands of the entire thing!!!
heathygrl 2 years ago
VajraGuru, this is true of course. If the "gebetic mutation" only happened at this time then what explains the belief that this has been around for generations. But, I guess little attention should be payed to anything she has said as the main reason she gave for knowing all of this was the seeing of auras. That it is said was the starting point of it all..so if that was untrue so must be what followed.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I also have to say that although making your child sing or do anything when they don't want to is wrong parents make that decision off their own backs, not because someone tells them to. Outside that their kids are normal brought up just like any other kids. Of course I can't say this for all children but the majority.
torchy1970 2 years ago
It is also important to understand that the type of 'new children' she has identified are apparently a genetic mutation she only saw from 1982.
So anyone that reads thinks they are one of those new children but was born before 1982 is 100% deluded. She believes it is a genetic abnormality that has mutated since 1982 and she never saw anyone like it before that.
Assuming she is telling the truth anyway
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
heathygrl did you see my response to your question about catholics ?
torchy1970 2 years ago
"If I was young in this age of technology. Do you think My family would have stopped at the living room?"
I can't answer that heathygrl but I sincerly hope not if it was something you didn't want to do. What are you trying to prove..not sure what point you are trying to make here. And I agree Vajra, with people believing in the Indigo aura thing because of someone who now retracts her claims they have to ask questions.
torchy1970 2 years ago
"You sang in front of the family, these kids are forced to lecture the world. "
If I was young in this age of technology. Do you think My family would have stopped at the living room? I have bumped into countless parent putting all videos of their children online.
heathygrl 2 years ago
And, before it comes up..I am not really for Catholic schools..to me that just causes more segragation..and more predujices.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I believe they should make that decision themselves, when they are old enough to understand the whole religon thing and decide their "path" for themselves.
torchy1970 2 years ago
"Do you have the same issues with Cathlics taking their children to sunday school? "
Not in the same way. Since when have Catholics turned against medical advice..or said "children aren't disabled they are catholics". Since when do Catholics put their children on YouTube spounting words of "wisdom"..again I could go on. I do not agree with Catholic parents forcing their children to be confirmed etc however..
torchy1970 2 years ago
But we seem to be answering the same questions and being accused of the same things time and time again. I don't know where you are getting your ideas from, like Vajra being on some mission to close down sites..but I certainly haven't read or seen anything to even remotely suggest this.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Do you have the same issues with Cathlics taking their children to sunday school?
heathygrl 2 years ago
I am only trying to keep up with the two of you. Maybe I'm being sarcastic. I will try to be clearer.
heathygrl 2 years ago
heathygrl Vajra has made it clear he has no problem in general with the belief even though he doesn't believe in it himself. He has made it clear where his problem lies. And he certainly hasn't suggested tasking down any sites or any mission. Where are you getting all this from ????
torchy1970 2 years ago
heathygrl you said
"So now you are only concerned for some children"
No,we are concerned for all children who are forced to be "different" because of this belief system.
torchy1970 2 years ago
Vajra "If this was genuinely based on something sensible I would honestly have no problem with it."
It is based on something sensible. You heard it all and didn't prescribe to it. Can you disagree with something and have no problem with it. can't you just leave it to others to believe in? If your mission is to take down the sites saying we are superior. Ok fine with me... but your missing the point of becoming enlightened.
heathygrl 2 years ago
I have to be honest I have many issues with the Destini people but I agree with their stance on this subject.
torchy1970 2 years ago
DesteniProductions
01 September 2007
Firstly I would suggest to not in any way whatsoever define your child as indigo/crystal, but to experience you with your child as one and equal as you.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
And again when you mention the Indigo writers Vajra we have to emphasize the point that one of the main writers in this, the one that many Indigos hold strong as basis for their belief has now admitted she could never see auras at all. And yet people put the belief on their children and make them "performers" on the back of it.
torchy1970 2 years ago
That's right.
Imagine Jesus came back today and said to the Christians, "what are you all doing I never taught any of this you have been had by someone."
I imagine that would be a problem for the church [it ruddy should be]
So when the origin of 'indigo aura kids' says she could never see auras that is a big issue needing to be faced by followers of the movement.
I am not bashing Indigo's I am posing questions about this issue.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
Forcing a child to do anything that effects them emotionally in a negative way is mistreatment in my mind. As I have said I have never used the word "abuse" in this matter as it is so open to misenterpretation.
torchy1970 2 years ago
We are fine with people having the belief when it is not so extreme as to involve treating their children any differently to how other children are treated. We are fine as long as children are not pulled into it by default, letting them choose their beliefs when they are old enough to find their own paths. heathygrl but we can't make any of this any clearer. And, despite what you say your attitude is yet again becoming defensive. Look at your posts over the last few hrs and see for yourself.
torchy1970 2 years ago
I'm not sure what further proof you need about you abusing kids..although I defy you to find anywhere where I have used that particular wording. We are classing the mistreatment of children as denying them help they need for disabilities, to help them achieve their full potential. As VajraGuru so rightly says, just look on Google for examples of kids not being allowed to be kids. The list goes on but has been made clear many many times during this discussion.
torchy1970 2 years ago
So now you are only concerned for some children. And you don't mind at all if I am an indigo, try to tell as many people as I can about my wonderful beliefs and I don't have to show you the basis or proof of my beliefs? Is that right?
heathygrl 2 years ago
heathy,
That is pretty much right yes.
I have no problem with anything you just said.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
What I am saying about the book is that it, once again treats Indigo children as different as needing specialised care. Everything in that book is in all books about healthy eating but by aiming it specifically at the parents of indigo children she knows she is garaubteed sales. And we can find books over here about such things for about £3.00, cheaper if you go to second hand book shops which are always full of them. But, that is not the point. And I agree VajraGuru abuse can mean many things
torchy1970 2 years ago
"The care and feeding of Indigo children" goes for $11.16 USD I don't know where your from but here in Canada that's dirt cheap for a book. If you can find the same info for $5.50 do let me know, that's a great deal. True she is making money selling these books. So now it is wrong to sell a book for money? I am still waiting for proof that we abuse our children at a higher rate than the general public. (I don't take this personally. :) It's all good.
heathygrl 2 years ago
A dumb book for $1 is still a dumb book.
What's wrong with buying a proper dietary advice book?
VajraGuru333 2 years ago
heathy,
Just search indigo on youtube and you will see all the videos of people trying to force there kids to speak wisely to the world instead of just letting them be kids.
It depends on what you consider abuse.
VajraGuru333 2 years ago