"I want to kill the English and the U.S and foreigners" so basically anyone who isn't a muslim? I have a bad feeling that islam is going down in a big way... They pray to the devil and think it's God. This has already been foreseen by Christ,
John 16:2-
“I have told you this so that you may not fall away
They will expel you from the synagogues; in fact, the hour* is coming when everyone who kills you will think he is offering worship to God.
God help this ideological war. Whomever God may be. Please help. I think one day we'll stop and realize but not in my time. Hopefully in my children's time. I'm a Christian and I wholeheartedly respect Islam. There are at least 10,000 good Muslims to every 1 bad. This is fact. God, help this reeling world to heal. Inshallah.
You ugly scummy bastard I wish you did blow yourself up and your family without hitting any of the uk and us forces. He was afraid and you would never go paradise you shithead more like HELL pakis taliban iraqi's there all the sameTERRORISTS ! SCREW THE QARAAN
Killing an innocent person is haram (STRICTLY PROHIBITED) in Islam, no matter he is Cristian , British , American, Jew, or a Muslim. According to the " QURAN " even at war, hurting the children, women , the old and the innocent 1z isnt allowed. So killing an innocent British or an American would get u to no where else but HELL.
Take this piece of shit out back and shoot this pig dick eating ass in the fucking face! What a lump of shit and waste of skin...he is not even human. A fucking goat herder, yea the world needs a lot of those and they contribute so much to human kind. Fucked up race and religion!!
wth?! suicide is haram. it takes u straight to HELL, not heaven. most of these people don't even know half of islam and are out their killing innocent people for nothing, claiming that islam tells them to.
those effin' "leaders" in pakistan have no interest in anything except for money! if even a small fraction of them genuinely cared for their people, pakistan would be a different place right now.
but what this video shows nothing of is the mainstream pakistani, which is NOTHING like this!
@ wigon "Finally, if Taliban rule is truly how the shariat is to be practiced, please tell me why did not millions of Muslims flock to Afghanistan to live in such a pure Islamic state???"
Good Question. let me ans dat by another question: SAUDI ARABIA seems to be a gr8 place for practicing SHARIAT isnt it? I dnt think milions of muslims ever flocked to start living there!
ANS: no body likes to leave his/her country for their infinite love. Don't u love yours? nothings balck n white dude. :x
@0515524847 Regarding living under Shariat, actually MILLIONS of Muslims have left their countries to live in the West for economic reasons. Why not leave for spiritual reasons to live in SA (the land of the prophet PBUH)? I honestly don't think the Ummah would even tolerate Taliban-style Shariat when they see freedom of worship in the West. where it doesn't matter if you're a Sunni or a Shi'a or any religion accept before Allah. Ultimately, faith is in the heart & not in a country.
@0515524847 Again your friends the Taliban killed 35 fellow Muslims in one of the biggest Sufi shrines in Pakistan without mercy. Is murdering Muslim Sufis ok because of a difference of opinion on the issue of the intercession of saints? That is insane. Also these were suicide bombers, NOT CIA or Hindu commandos. Finally, if Taliban rule is truly how the shariat is to be practiced, please tell me why did not millions of Muslims flock to Afghanistan to live in such a pure Islamic state???
@wigon Quit BRAGGING PLEASE.Your accusations are NO LESS than the lies Your Former President BUSH made-up for laying the foundation for invading Muslim nations across the globe.JUST how the heck did you come to know that the attackers were suicide bombers.Was is revealed to you by GOD or did you just made it up.I know you ain't in Pakistan so U wudn't hav done N-E investigation did U?Just cos they were suicide bombers doesn't really tell us that this was done by the taliban?4 U may be! i dono?
@0515524847 I'm not bragging. The attack on that Sufi mosque was a horrible tragedy. And actually I was wrong. It wasn't by the Taliban, it was by the GAZI group who support the Taliban and are affiliated with Al-Qaeda and members of Lal Masjid.
This info however came out after my post about the attack.
@wigon ===Again your friends the Taliban killed 35 fellow Muslims in one of the biggest Sufi shrines in Pakistan without mercy===
Only this part of your comment is wot i referred to as you bragging. As your next comment reveals it by YOU stating that the attackers were in fact not taliban but another gruop that goes by the name GAZI.
@wigon C'mon MAN! i mean taliban may be the ones but that cant be confirmed yet. CIA, Mosad, or RAW may also be behind the attacks. i dono. but U my friend are certainly making huge statements about the attacker's origins as if u got some solid intel as to who carried put the attacks. AGAIN WITHOUT NO APPARENT PROOF. hell there may be some madman from USA behind these attacks !!! who knows??? but from the looks of ur statement, u certainly know better. MUCH better that CIA MUSAAD, even taliban !
@0515524847 Oh I forgot to mention that I know these were suicide attackers because the witnesses and Pakistani police statements stated that the suicide bombers blew themselves up at various places in the Masjid including at the entrance as panicked crowds tried to escape.
@wigon YEAH & did you know that one of the suspected suicide attacker was identified as a full-time social worker in the Darbaar & later all of his friends that had been arrested were released. thats the extent of dumbass PAKISTANI POLICE INVESTIGATION SKILLS.
- a volunteer servant of Darbar got killed in the attack
-got accused of suicide attack even after his death
- his friends still alive got arrested
l8r on released ONLY due to MEDIA interference into the m8r.
@0515524847 Ok... so who was this social worker? Was he Muslim? I agree that the Pakistani police have serious professionalism problems...but so do police all over the world. It's no wonder that you guys want the Taliban to replace them. But I doubt they'd do a much better job at police work from what I've heard from those who fled the Swat nightmare. Here's an area were seriously, it would not hurt you guys to have foreign police advisors. If not kafr, then maybe UAE police trainers.
@wigon nooooh man! why the heck wud i want some crazy towel head as you call them to replace the police... no way man! These arent even muslims these so called pakistani taliban. My brothers in army fighting these talibans in swat! for 3 years now! i have lost some of my best friends who joined army and diead as martyrs during the fight. I have great respect for the real talibans those who fought the russians and those whoe now fight US army! but these pakistani taliban!they are an abonimation!!
@wigon You made ur point that the attackers were suicide. i know that too. but how the heck did you know that those suicide attackers the Taliban & not CIA or MOSAD?
@0515524847 Yes I am sure an American or Jew would blow himself up just to frame the Taliban. When was the last time you ever heard of an American (non-Muslim) or Jewish suicide bomber??? Never. On the other hand you yourself admit that Muslim groups do sucide bombing. Which do you think is most likely?
@wigon Well he most certainly cud 'ave been an indian. moreover read history, it tell us the first ever suicide attacks, those responsible werent even muslims lol
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During the Crusades, the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships, killing 140 Christians in order to kill ten times as many Muslims
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Japanese even prform ritual suicide.
The ritual act of self-sacrifice during combat appeared in a large scale at the end of World War II with the Japanese kamikaze bombers.
@0515524847 So a Hindu is going to kill himself just to make some Muslim group look bad? Yes I'm sure Hindus are lining up to blow themselves up to make radical Muslim groups look evil. Also, the Knights Templar WERE RELIGIOUS FANATICS just like your friends in the various radical Deobandi groups in Pakistan. Likewise the Japanese were RELIGIOUS fanatics. American soldiers are NOT religious fanatics. Find me any American willing to kill himself just to make a Muslim group look bad.
@wigon why has he to do it when so many missguided young muslims are readily available and can practically be bought if you know that...! that surely makes it a lot less difficult doesnt it. i mean! you dnt even have to convinve them, they dont have anything to live for, mostly these young men have lost one two or in some cases all of their family members either in drones attacks or whatever. Americans anyway are way too in love of this mortal world to even think about suicide loll. thot u knew
I know this because Americans and ESPECIALLY JEWS do not blow themselves up unless they are insane. In this case it was multiple suicide bombers. Surely their would be survivors who would identify the suicide bombers as white men or Jews unless those crazy people were black, hispanic, asian or NATIVE Americans or Jews!!! Maybe Arab Jews!!!?? AH HA!!! No... those people love money more then paradise. I know you will at least agree with me on that part. :)
@wigon heheheh yeah the arabs are just that SOBs of the sort you just described dude. A BIG LOL for that one hahaha :) and yeah we never found an american suicide bomber, i never really said that americans wud starts clowing themsleves up for sucha dumb reason :) what i was saying is that they are indirectly involved in the funding of these so called pakistani taliban.
@wigon I am a SUNI muslim more than being a Deobandi. we practice sufism (tasawuuf) too buddy. we follow Chishti, Naqshbandi, Qadiri and Suhrawardi orders
==things U shud know about us b4 making false statements==
the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims, as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah, by Madhhab they are Hanafee,in conduct they are Sufis,scholastically they are Maturidi and in Sulook they are Chisti;rather they combine all Sufi orders.And in nisbat they are Deobandi.
@wigon "Also these were suicide bombers, NOT CIA or Hindu commandos."
SO YOU SAY U DEFEND ISLAM YET YOU ACCUSE MUSLIMS OF A SUICIDE ATTACK JUST COS IT WAS A SUICIDE ATTACK. If thats they way you judge attacks then the only thing insane here is your way of thinking!
@0515524847 I don't defend Islam, Allah does not need me for that. The true religion stands on its own for Allah is all-knowing and all-powerful. I accuse Muslims of sucide attack because they exist and I see it as a HUGE problem in Islamic societies that there is a lack of critical self-analysis of the Umma. The fact of the matter is that Muslims are humans just like kafr and are capable of doing insane things in the name of religion and ideologies. We all have similar basic psychologies.
@wigon Yeah you are right. muslims have never really evolved as an ummah after the destruction of turkish Kaliphate! What really needs to be done is to stop giving young men a reason to die a haram death. muslims know that suicide is haraam and those who comit suicide will burn forever in hell fire. But man the US actions are a direct consqquence to the creation of suicide bombers in the first place. This war has lead us no where and it should be stopped. people leave afghanistan be. PEACE.
@fuckallahandislam You mean like we aren't all brainwashed by one ideology or another. From your heated comments you appear to be brainwashed by an anti-Islamic ideology.
Not that you care, but the hadith regarding the virigins is a very weak one and highly questionable amongst Islamic scholars. Also there is no mention of alcohol in paradise in Islamic teachings.
@wigon you know the paradox in ur statement.You are consious about the fact that pakistan has nukes that can be a real threat to the world.YES you are right but history tells us that the only country ever to have used them is ur's (USA),a real threat to all mankind,responsible for completely wipingout two fully populated cities from the face of the earth.u tell me whoz the real threat.those who have nukes bt have never used them or those who have nukes and also have used them,not once but twice.
@0515524847 That is true, however it can be argued that those nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan killed far less people then the planned invasion would have killed. The Japanese were prepared to fight and die to the bitter end as they had proven to do on every island we faught them on during WWII. All of Japans civilians were being armed with any weapon possible. Easily over a million Japanese would have died if we had invaded. Anyways, how does more nukes make the world safer?
@wigon so counter aurguably, you are saying that if the US acts like japan, any country that is in the state of war with the US should be allowed to nuke NEWYORK & WASHINGTON DC if dats supposed to stop the war. ???
@0515524847 No, we are not invading the entire Middle East and most Americans believe Iraq was a mistake and we are leaving. Americans want to get the hell out of the Middle East. Threats & continued attacks by Al-Qaeda affiliated groups however make this very difficult. Several senior Taliban leaders and many Al-Qaeda shaykhs have pledged endless Jihad until America is destroyed... and yes they would use nukes even if it meant billions of Muslim Shahid in the resulting nuclear counter-attack.
@wigon Is that pledge seriously a surprise 2 U??? who lead them (taliban leaders & alqaeda sheiks) to do such a pledge my man? for us Muslims, America has become the greatest threat of all times greater than the crusaders of the western dark ages that attacked & captured Jerusalem, greater than the Mongols under the command of Ganghis Khan that completely annihilated Baghdad in 1258. Your army invaded their homelands. killed their loved ones and yet u r seemingly surprised by the retaliation!!!
@0515524847 If you support the pledge of the Taliban to destroy America, then you support terrorism & the killing of American civilians? How else will Muslims destroy America then by attacking our financial institutions (killing civilians)? You say on one hand that Islam = peace but then say it is Islamic to destroy America and kill civilians as revenge? Then Americans will seek revenge & kill more Muslims! BTW, what happened to the Mongol hordes who invaded Muslim lands? They became Muslim.
@wigon I support it as i feel the pain & suffering of my fellow muslim brothers and sisters. i know that forgiveness is a higher moral value in islam but revenge is nevertheless allowed in islam. You kill my family,i can in return kill you bt mind my point. i cant kill any one else for your actions. you precieve me wrong all along. when i say i support their pledge, i mean bush admin should b pnished. i know bout it&some of the greatest achievements go into the shelves of those convert mongols.
@0515524847 In Islamic revenge, only the guilty individuals can be killed and not their entire family. It must also be authorized through a respected shariat legal system to insure the reasons for revenge are just reasons. Also is not forgiveness seen as higher in the eyes of Allah?
@0515524847 "Keep to forgiveness, and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant. And if it should happen that a prompting from Satan stirs thee up [to anger], seek refuge with Allah: behold, He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."
The Qur'an 7:199-200
"But withal, if one is patient in adversity and forgives - this, behold, is indeed something to set one's heart upon."
@wigon BTW wot do you think USA is doing rite now. isnt it revenge thats taken it to war with IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN. Its OK for the US to ACT in revenge but unjust if its done by another NATION. That just doent feel rite to me, does it???
@0515524847 This is why it was just. 1. Al-Qaeda under the protection of the Taliban attacked America several times BEFORE 9/11 and they took credit for each attack. America had only HELPED the Taliban before then. Then came 9/11. Do you truly call this revenge on the Taliban an unprovoked attack? If one group gets revenge for such an attack, can the 1st attacker then get counter-revenge? Where does the killing stop? Genocide?
@0515524847 Actually, no every American was well aware that Al-Qaeda had attacked American citizens several times before 9/11. That's not Bush talking, that's me. It was a known fact that Al-Qaeda was steadily conducting more sophisticated attacks. 9/11 was a logical escalation of such attacks. What GREATER glory then to strike at the heart of the Great Shaitan??? How many Taliban Shaykhs condemmed the attacks in Pakistan or Afghanistan? How many Saudi Shaykhs (not on SA govt. payrolls)?
@wigon THATS where the part comes known in ISLAM as FORGIVENESS. Did you know when MAKAH was conquered By MUSLIMS, Hadrat Muhammad PBUH not only didnt carry out a bloody revenge but actually embraced the vary makaan's who had fought him for 3 years in attempts to annihilate him. it was very shocking for makkans themselves. these are episodes of great generosity mercy & kindness that is taught by ISLAM.
@wigon Pakistan has got nukes. we certainly haven't ever threatened USA have we.when was the US attacked or invaded by a Muslim state. NEVER in the history buddy.The only country ever to invade her was japan DAT too isn't a Muslim state. Speaking of nuking USA.u give a nuke to a fanatic american non muslim who want to destroy USA & he aint gona think once b4 nuking America. thats wot fanatics do & has nothin 2 do wid ISLAM r Muslims in particular. which leads us back 2 d word "MUSLIM FANATIC" :x
@0515524847 Yes Pakistan has nukes but while not threatening the US it has threatened India who is now a big trading parter. The 9/11 attack was seen by Americans EXACTLY as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Your Al-Qaeda friends attacked America and now claim to be the innocent victims defending themselves as great heroes when all they have done is brought death and destruction upon your nation, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Thankfully, Iraq is slowly eliminating Al-Qaeda & will do so Inshallah.
@wigon threats made by india and pakistan are like eating meal three times a day. India pakistan are mortal enemies. wot do you expect from them dude loll. thats a weak arguement really and missleading too. btw how do u relate threats to india with that of threats to the us loll HELL NO. USA brought war upon Afghanistan & IRAQ & while we a re argueing, its getting beaten up so hard, that the world is shocked. US army is on a STANCEthat it wasnt even well trained to do. DEFENSIVE!!!
@0515524847 Many Muslims live peacefully alongside Hindus with no problems. It is only the extremists on both sides that stir up problems and violence. Remember India has a HUGE Muslim population. Furthermore the entire division was artificially created by the kafr British.
I also wouldn't call the US Army stance in Afghanistan "defensive". Problem #1 is a corrupt and less-then loyal ANA and police force who often act worse then the Taliban towards local Afghan villagers.
@wigon YEAH but US army stance isn't exactly offensive too. & yeah partly the causes of it you mentioned are true too. but who cares, i just want USA outa AFGHANISTAN & PAKISTAN. USA has got some kinda PEACE KEEPING COMPLEX. Only their strategies bring nothing less than death, famine, destruction, corruption, violence, disease, suffering & ultimately CHAOS in the whole region.
@0515524847 If you want the US advisors out of Pakistan then go elect new politicians. If you want Americans out of Afghanistan then support a peace process that will bring Taliban into the government and remove the US from the region. Simple as that. Americans don't want to be there. Period. We don't hate Islam, we don't hate Pakistanis. We just don't want terrorist training camps developed there for the purpose of attacking Western nations considered by most Deobandi to be dar al-Harb.
@wigon today more civillian deaths are caused due to the war in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN. ur presedents had been bragging along that there were WMD's in IRAQ. they had so called solid proofs so where are those darn WMDs. Have u ever seen cities of Iraq using google earth. i recomend u see it. u wont believe the beauty of its construction its streamlines streets and roads...ALL TURNED TO DUST and for wot.something that wasnt even real. i think these are the vary problems dat the US helped create. :(
@0515524847 Yes the Bush admin. lied about WMD's. Bush does not = America. Also most Iraqi cities suffered only minor dammage. Only Fellujah got the hell blown out of it with massive devastation. That was an example of what happens when the US military is allowed off its leash to do what they do best. Right now they are heavily restrained on the use of bombs and the new Obama policy in Afghanistan focuses much more on creating jobs, building schools, building roads, digging wells, etc..
-Dats it??? bush admin lied???i cant feel the rage now.ur people supported him into going into war on iraq man. u saying bush doesnot = america. but he certainly = american president. leader of americans wasnt he. representative of ur people. For us (the non-americans)... his deeds represented wot US citizens wanted. he invaded iraq cus dats wot ur people wanted. every american citizen who supported him is accountable for deaths in iraq (both us and iraqi).
@0515524847 At the time, yes. It wasn't until years later that even Republicans began to admit that Bush misled them and maybe lied to them. Even while Bush was elected (by barely half the civilians) that does not make the US civilian population a legitimate target for Jihad in Islam. Even a caliphate rules only by the consent of the people (which is why many were murdered when the people were unhappy).
@wigon No not at all. You have to get it straight. jihad is different from invasion. man u dnt know nothing about islam do u. u speak the words jihad as if you know wot it means. do u think we muslims are allowed by our creator to just attack/invade other countries and kill innocent people for the sake of jihad or in the name of Allah. No buddy. if a muslim kills another humenbeing (regardless of the faith) its as if he has killed the whole mankind. A sin Allah will never forgive.
@0515524847 Offensive Jihad was done on many occasions. Read about Battle of Mu’tah, the first offensive Jihad. Also, study the expansion of the Islamic empire under the rightly-guided Caliph Umar the Great. Today many Islamic scholars consider offensive Jihad as fard al-kifaya (obligatory on the Umma) while the minority disagree due to their being no Caliphate. Some also believe it was only for Mohammed (PBUH) and the 1st four rightly guided Caliphates.
@wigon I know about Battle of Mu'tah. It was an offensive jihad but what was the reason for it? reason was the killing of the emissaries that were sent [to Banu Sulaym & other tribes under the protection of the Byzantines] by Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Killing envoys and messengers used to be regarded as the most awful crime, and amounted to the degree of war declaration. it was 3000 Muslims vs 200,000 Byzantine soldiers. this offensive was JUST in its cause. "BLOOD FOR BLOOD" is allowed in ISLAM.
@0515524847 If the Battle of Mu'tah was purely retaliatory, then what were the massive conquests of Umar the Great? If Jihad is purely defensive are you saying that what Umar did was not Islamic?
@wigon i never said that JIHAD IS PURELY DEFENSIVE. man please i beg YOU. STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. I know wot i have to say. u dont have to do that for me... THANKS BRO. may be u need to read the Sahih Muslim, Book 19. you will see how Umar was just in his cause as well.
@0515524847 Umar's goal was the spread of Islam through conquest and war. That is no different then the goal of every Muslim extremist. Now you must understand how the kafr in the West have a little bit of a problem with that yes? Most here kinda like how they live and like their religion (or lack of religion) and do not wish to live in a brutal Wahhabi style Islamic nation where freedom of thought and critical thinking is surpressed.
@wigon things you talk about are no where found in the history of mankind. Umer's GOAL wasn't bloodbath was it. YES he wanted to spread ISLAM. He mashallah did it too. What he really did was bring peace and prosperity to the nations that he conquered.
@0515524847 Regarding Umar, this rationale of bringing peace and prosperity was also used by the Roman Empire...and for long periods the Romans also brought peace, prosperity, education, along with law and order. Whatever the case, that was then, but today things are very different. Now you have many radical Islamic groups demanding Shariat Law in European nations that are prosperious and peaceful.
@wigon Jihad is regularly misconstrued as war, with all its connotations of violence and bloodshed. However, in the Islamic context, and in literal sense, the word jihad simply means a struggle - doing one's utmost to further a worthy cause. The actual Arabic equivalent of war, is qital, and even this is meant in a defensive sense.
this word QITAL is never used not once in the whole Quran.
@wigon i never said electing bush makes every us citizen a target for jihad. Arabic for war is qital not jihad. yet no citizen is even a ligitamate target for qital. whoever kills another human unless it be for murder or creating mischeif in land, it is as though he has killed the whole mankind.Quran doesnt stop here and contines, whosoever saves one (muslim or nonmuslim) it is as if he had saved the whole mankind. ALQuran (5:32).
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@wigon why should i do that. i am not here to comment on what muslims from differnt sects of islam believe in. i respect their views and know dat all four sect (followers of 4 greatest imams of islam) are right in their our sense of understanding. btw You know u have an acute sense of humor. i belong to the deobandi sect loll. i know my scholars favor qital but thats not my point. even if we favor it, by no means can this make us go killing the innocent.
@0515524847 It is important because the Deobandi Taliban kill those who disagree with their views of Shariat. Tell me, was the CIA responsible for murdering and hanging from trees those government employees and people who disagreed with the Taliban after they invaded the Swat valley? Yes... they definitely love Qital and love murdering other Muslims.
@wigon man you cannot associate one man's ambition to ISLAM. just as i cant say that becoz BUSH invaded iraq and afghanistan he is a FANATIC Christian. You tend to walk on the road looking no farther than the place your next step will land. You associate the actions of a madman to religion. THAT IS NOT FAIR. IF you tend to defend Islam then stop saying the word fanatic Muslims. that was our real discussion!
@0515524847 Bush was a Christian fanatic. We can agree on that. But that was then, this is now. Obama is now president of the US. I will ALWAYS use the term "radical Muslim" or "Extremist Muslim" because what they stand for is the extreme interpretation of Islam based on literal interpretations of Islam outside of historical context and then try to apply it exactly the same to modern times. They do not believe in ijtihad and believe in infinite war against kafr who refuse to submit.
@wigon You are a HARDLINER do you know! Call them radical. hell yeah. they are so. Call them extremists cus dats wot they are. extremist madmen. But don't associate them to Islam. cus wot they do isnt wot ISLAM teaches us.
@0515524847 I call the madmen you speak "Muslims" because they do what they do in the name of Islam. If the Taliban made a big effort to seperate them from the really insane groups, that would be good. I think most Americans are VERY open to hearing the Taliban's point of view and their perspectives. I would LOVE to live with them for a year to really understand them. But I know that I'd get killed quick after being accused of spying the second a drone kills anyone in the region I was in.
@wigon ok i think we has a little bit consensus here! you r rite that al qaeda doesnt represent islam TRUE. but taliban do represent Islam. Infact i fully support their movement. for US they are terrorists but for us muslims they are freedom fighters. your govt called them the same & even trained and financed them during the russian invasion. taliban were infact US trained+financed jihadi group that included chechens, uzbaks, tajiks, pakistanis, indian, saudi mujahidins etc.
@0515524847 Then why do the Taliban work with Al-Qaeda and why do the Taliban use the same un-Islamic tactics as Al-Qaeda? Where in the Holy Qur'an does it say that it is ok for a Muslim to fight even dirtier then the kafr? Yes I know America trained ONLY the older senior Taliban leaders (the younger fighters were little boys in the 80's). That does not answer the question of why you refuse to believe that they have killed innocent people and fellow Muslims over and over again.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
@wigon DO u know only 2995 died on 9/11. can u compare it to the death toll in iraq to date? Just becoz ur elected govt lied, ur country went to a war dat caused a massive iraqi civillian death toll, the statistics are between 800,000 and 1.3 million "excess deaths" that have been estimated in iraq since invasion of iraq in 2003.can u not c d real terrorist. i know blood 4 blood thing dude but this is way outa league. this looks 2 me as blood 4 fun.damn man!blood spilled due 2 a mistake A LIE.
@0515524847 And as I said, the vast majority of those Iraqis killed were done so by other Muslims in that lovely death count you quote. They were mostly killed by the people you call mujahid or by Shi'a death squads. The US had to fight hard and use alot of diplomacy to end that fighting. You act as if every single one of those people were innocent civilians.
@wigon How diluted of you to say that those lovely deaths were caused by muslim suicide bombers when these suicide attacks were a direct result of the invasion of iraq by ur country. Iraq never saw such attacks b4 2003. same is the case with afghanistan. uptill the start of a war by ur country in 2001, afghanistan never ever in history has any sort of reported case of a suicide attack. Your country practically helped the freedom fighters device this technique.
@0515524847 Yes no terrorism pre-2003 because there was no Al-Qaeda except Ansar Al-Islam in N. Iraq who were enemies with Saddam. Our invasion turned Iraq into a Al-Qaeda paradise recruiting angry Iraqis & conducting terrorist operations (including destroying all U.N. operations led by one of the most respected and beloved U.N. envoys, Sergio Vieira de Mello a man who's life was devoted to peace, getting rid of landmines, and stopping wars. You BTW, just admitted that they did suicide attacks.
@wigon You really don't think i wouldn't admit that suicide bombers are carried out by Iraqi Muslims. Its a GRIM reality. Suicide is haraam in Islam yet it has become the only weapon of choice that can cause severe damage to the enemy forces (NATO, Allied & US forces in Iraq & Afghanistan). Wot will u do if an army so advance invades you that nothing less than suicide attacks can cause damage. wud you not dare become a suicide bomber. hell i will. cuz i wnt sit while my country falls apart. :!
@0515524847 So you think that it is ok to ignore Allah and fight even dirtier then the worst kafr while also killing Muslims working for the Afghan government? I understand the psychological reasons for using suicide attacks. But they USE THE NAME OF ISLAM to justify their attacks. This is THE WORST BIDAH IMAGINABLE. The more Islam is twisted, the more the soul is twisted by Shaitan.
@wigon and yet again as i said earlier, if the US had to fight hard, so be it. They created these problems that they have to face today. problems that are so dire that they cant be solved by the US themselves. deplomecy isnt probably the best word here cus deplomancy dsnt require waging wars on soverign countries 4 christ's sake. You talk about an end to the fight that didnt happen at all due to deplomacy bt infact US economy cant withstand the continued war in iraq. Otherwise US wud nvr leave.
@0515524847 Yes American can not afford to stay in the Middle East. Its impossible. So why do you say that America is trying to rule Muslims? . You my friend are in denial that radical Islamic extremists exist. Do you serioiusly believe that all those videos of training camps and young boys training as "shahid bombers" are all CIA or Mossad? You have NEVER heard a Muslim say that they support "Shahid operations" in America and that they support attacking Shi'a masjids in Pakistan?
@wigon Man u gotta quit judging me.I believe in wot is right to believe in & i do believe that Muslim extremists exist. hell i m a Fundamental Muslim extremist bt not a terrorist. I have submitted my will to Allah in complete entirety and extreme. I lv my prophet and all others 2 the extreme. I lv Quran to the extreme. I tell the truth and restrain 4m telling falsehood 2 the extreme.I do good deeds & restrain 4 doin evil 2 the extreme. i hav 2 b extremist in followin Islam2becum a gud Muslim.
@0515524847 That is good. If you love islam to the extreme, then you should fear in the extreme of being seperated from beloved Allah when you die which is what will happen if you are wrong and have truly perverted the intention of Allah and his prophets (peace and blessings be upon them all). Submitting to Allah does not mean submitting to Shaykh who tells you that killing anyone against the Taliban (including other Muslims) is the will of Allah. Think for yourself & not follow blindly.
@wigon So now you are going to teach ISLAM to me. You mean to say that what ever good deeds if a few that i have being doing for the past 25 years will prove to be fruitless. WOW just WOW! i speak the truth n dats gona take me to hell. i dont lie and thats not what Allah's intention is. i stand against injustice and thats not wot Allah ordered Muslims to do. Then surely my friend you need to see a Psychologist. Your words show me your blind study about islam nothing else.
@0515524847 No I am not saying that your good deeds are fruitless. I am saying that even Muslims in Al-Qaeda do good deeds. Bin Laden did many good deeds. But few good deeds balance using the name of Islam to murder other Muslims who oppose Deobanda/Salafi theology. But ultimately Allah almighty will judge our hearts as he knows them better then we know ourselves. Allah knows best.
@wigon & the radicals extremists that u r talking about, i have got no objection wotsoever but one. they ARE-NOT CAN-NOT be Muslims PERIOD. How can somebody be called a Muslim if he does something that goes against Islam, against the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, against the Holy Quran itself and ultimately against the orders of Allah. He who does that no longer submits his/her will to the commandments of ALLah and thus isnt a MUSLIM. cant u get this simple statement.
@0515524847 About the extremists. They ARE Muslim. Why? Because they took the Shahada & follow all central tenants of Islam. Read what ALL of the greatest Islamic scholars have said about the danger of declaring Takfir on other Muslims. Even a liberal Sufi can't declare Takfir on a Wahhabi. However, it is the job of a Muslim to gently lead his brother/sister away from Bidah & not to kill each other over theology. Are you a perfect Muslim? If not, are you an apostate because you commit a sin?
@wigon OKAY i non muslim takes SHAHADAH and commits suicide. wot does Islam teach us about this situation. The non-muslim did take shahadah embracing Islam but by committing suicide that muslim died a KAFIR. SO be reminded that nobody becomes a muslim just cos he/she takes shahadah! surely ALLAH knows and ALLAH knows best.
@0515524847 Ah now I agree. However some scholars do not agree and say that if the suicide is done in the process of killing an enemy in Jihad, then he is giving his life for Allah and thus dies as Shahid. That includes Muslims who have had takfir declared upon them because they work for the Karzai government or for NATO or even Western aid/development agencies. Sometimes the Taliban grant mercy, other times they do not.
@wigon No, I am certainly not a perfect Muslim but i most certainly strive hard to become one someday INSHALLAH.
To me forgiveness scores more than revenge.
Allah surely says that his Forgiveness shadows over his WRATH.
Although i m not a perfect Muslim. no body is perfect. We Muslims just believe that Allahs Rehmat will Shelter us from his Ghazab. If perfection was to be the critarion for judgment by ALlah then surely every one MUSLISM/NONMUSLIMS are bound to go to hell.BUT DATS NOT TRUE :)
@0515524847 Regarding perfection in Islam, those are good points you make and are very true. I'm glad we agree upon forgiveness, but I pray that the Taliban are capable of forgiveness. I also wish that the Taliban would come to realize that more can be accomplished through diplomacy then through fighting. If they publicly stated that they will allow foreign Muslim monitors to insure that there are no Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, Americans would all support leaving Afghanistan.
@wigon OKAY let me tell you something i have my solid sources rooting to a few young officials serving in pakistan army who took part in operations in swat valley against a group that called them selves tehrik-taliban pakistan. Those fighters dat got killed during the fight had the firarms made in india and USA. this shocked pakistan army l8r on when these dead fighters were given ghusal suposing then to be muslims, all hadnt had their Circumcision. wot can u say about that.
@0515524847 Then why did all the Taliban leadershp acknowledge and support the Taliban takeover of Swat? Why were no pictures taken of these "uncurcumcized" bodies? Also, BTW, the Taliban often use captured weapons from Kashmir and Afghanistan. Do you think India or the CIA would be stupid enough to give "Fake Taliban" US and Indian weapons? Seriously? Show me evidence and not conspiracy theories.
@wigon NOT STUPID MY MAN ('',) THATS CALLED TACTICS.
"THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND" >>>IN case u FORGOT<<<
If i was the enemy of Pakistan, & i had all the money in the world. I most certainly wud buy all the weapons as possible and arm those so called (tehrik-e-taliban) b******ds to destabilize Pakistan.
@0515524847 If India was behind tactics to arm militant groups to destabilize Pakistan, that does not make sense as those are the same groups that attack India and who are making ties with Indian Islamic militant organizations. Likewise it makes NO SENSE for America to destabilize Pakistan when Pakistan HAS NUKES!!! That is the worst nightmare for America if Al-Qaeda got ahold of those nuclear weapons. A destabilized Pakistan serves no good purpose for anyone.
@wigon the war on iraq and afghanistan was never really about al qaeda osama or sadam's so called WMD's. it was all about AMERICA to get its presence known to this part of the world that the US had very little to no influence at all. nobody can justify those who got killed in iraq/aghan war. those sons of america dat lost their lives trying to find WMD's... whos to blame man. those civis dat die whos to blame for their deaths man. its all so messed up dat that it seems impossible to control.
@0515524847 So you mean that massive rage and thirst for revenge felt by every American after 9/11 had nothing to do with it? If so then you badly misunderstand Americans. You also obviously have never talked to a typical American soldier about why he fights. No influence? Before 9/11 the US had bases all over Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, etc.. We had no need for MORE influence. Anyways, America is leaving Iraq and I think Iraqi's will continue to destroy Al-Qaeda after we leave.
@wigon. yeah you are rite but u missed my point. its a whole chain dude. -9/11 + pentagon attack DRAMA -controlled demolition of twin towers -massive rage in us populus -enemy = UNKNOWN -target = alqaeda = taliban = Afghanistan -using this rage by US-govt 2 convince people dat a war is eminent -turning war into crusade -soul enemy : OSAMA BIN LADIN. orders: capture or kill. -10 years of death & distruction. OSAMA still MIA. IF I M NOT RITE THEN U TELL ME THE REAL REASON OF AFGHAN WAR
@0515524847 I am a former US Army engineer trained in explosives. It was not a controlled demolition. There is not room to list the hundreds of reasons why. Also if it was a conspiracy then EVERY NATO nation would have to have known about the conspiracy as much of the info on the 9/11 hijackers came from Germany, France, Spain, & a few other nations. Osama had also, pre-9/11, threatened MANY times to attack America & has never denied that he did it. Many Al-Qaeda leaders are MIA (Mullah Omar).
@wigon an amateur can tell that the demolition of WTCs was controlled by the way they went strainght down to the ground. you tube has got tons of videos inwhich explosions can be heard way after the twin towers were struck. youtube "wtc demolitions" and see the video under the topic "Comparison Vid - The Planned WTC Demolition" and you will get it straight. afterall you are a former army engineer.
@0515524847 1. The "explosions" were the floors falling on each other. 2. I don't think the terrorist pilots of those planes were counting floors as they flew into those buildings. Notice the buildings begin to collapse where the planes hit. 3. There were no reports of an army of contractors working on the building infastructure before the collapse (placing explosives). 4. If they wanted mass casualties they would have made the buildings fall sideways by detonating only one side of building.
@wigon just so you know! wtcs were made of steel that can sustain far more higher temps than that of attained by burning jet fuel. and in one of these recorded videos i saw molten steel oozing out of the building. you can just act blindly or accept the facts here. how could a steel designed to sustain far more higher temp than that attained from burning jet fuel melt down. Reason it and you will see the truth.
@0515524847 The steel did not have to melt, only to become weakened. Once weakened, its load-bearing ability is reduced and structural failure will follow. Simple. What you "saw" could have been any type of metal used in the construction. I'm not saying pictures or video don't exist, but I've never seen any such pictures from the WTC. A friend sends me tons of 911 pics/videos because he's a big conspiracy theorist. I have these arguements all the time with him.
@wigon You fogot IRAN bro. Afghanistan was the substitute 2 iran.
=====IRANIAN REVOLUTION in 1979=====
It refers to events involving the overthrow of Iran's monarchy (Pahlavi dynasty) under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (having close ties with US govt) and its replacement with an Islamic republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution.
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The US lost its foothold in iran & to makeup for it, US govt deviced a longterm including invasion of afghanistan.
@0515524847 False. Afterwards we created many bases/facilities in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Turkey, and other nations in the Middle East all without invading anyone. By the way, I was born in Tehran, Iran in 1974 (to American citizens) so I know Iranian history. I also lived in Saudi Arabia on the USMTM compound in Riyadh in the 1980's and in 1997, while in the US Army, I trained with Egyptian soldiers. I've also lived in Indonesia (the biggest Muslim nation in the world).
@wigon good u were born in iran so u probably better know its history. all u got to do is fix the puzzle. u got all the pieces. wot difficulty do u face in fixing it.
@0515524847 You see this issue as a simple puzzle with 2 sides: The Good guys- Muslims and the Bad Guys- Kafr Americans and Zionists. I see idiots and murderers doing the work of Shaitan on both sides. Notice that I defend Islam against the American idiots posting farther back on this discussion. I do not take sides. I follow what I are universal beliefs in what is right and what is just while respecting all religions aside from its followers to who seek to use religion for murder & power.
@wigon Yes i do see two sides. ONE side is responsible for almost simultaneous invasions on two sovereign nations & the other side is trying to defend its homeland desperately out of sheer hopelessness and despair. & yes i do feel that a few black sheep within Muslim Freedom Fighters are doing work of Shaitan as u say it. Yeah bro i know u defend Islam but u have just a few misconceptions about things happening on the ground. WE Muslims will stop hating Americans if they just stop killing us.
@wigon i dont speak for other religions but i assure u about Islam. Any muslim that uses Islam for murder & power is sure to burn till eternity in hell by the grace of Almighty Allah Inshallah.
For Allah forgives if somebody breaks HAKOOK-Allah but Allah never forgives a person who breaks Hakook-ul-ibad unless the vary person forgives him to whom he owes an apology. this is proven also by the hadith of the Prophet Muhamamd PBUH
dats wot u think. dats certainly not wot the bush admin thought. but bro dont get me wrong. both of us are on the same side. i am not trying to fight. i respect ur point of view. i might b wrong in my analysis but dats wot i think. speaking of leaving iraq. man can u not see it. sucha big BLUNDER. iraq proved to be the hornest's nest just like afghanistan. Man ur country invaded another sovergn country without a reason. who is the terrorist here ??????
@0515524847 Ah here is the difference between war and terrorism. War targets military forces. Civilian deaths are accidental normally (although war crimes happen). Terrorism is the direct targetting of civilians for the purpose of spreading fear & terror in that civilian population. BIG DIFFERENCE. But it is true that dead is dead & Ithe Iraq invasion was definitely a mistake and a gift to Al-Qaeda by making them very popular and giving them many recruits and alot of money from donations.
@wigon yeah but u just said it bro. electing bush doesnt make every american citizen a target. not all the afghans support osama yet the whole of the country had 2 SHARE the same fate. saddam wasnt a popular figure too in iraq but yet all iraqis had to share the same fate. sadams WMD or noWMD & Osama were the reasons ur contry went to a war dude. u seem to be an army man. do you know wot the US army did in an event famous as the the highway of death in the gulf war. got two words.SAVAGE BASTARDS
@0515524847 No, they don't. Large parts of Afghanistan are free of US soldiers and war because the Taliban are not there. They have peace and NGO's helping them rebuild infastructure because there is better security. In Iraq, the Kurds DID NOT share the same fate as all Iraqis. Why? Again better security except in Mosul due to the volatile mix of ethnic and religious groups (and fighting over oil rights between those groups). Aside from that Kurdistan prospered greatly post invasion.
@wigon "Eight years after the terror strike on the United States, which prompted an invasion of Afghanistan to oust the Taliban, there are indications that the insurgents are continuing to widen their reach inside the country.
A respected international think tank has released a new map showing, for the first time, the Taliban have a "permanent presence" in 80 percent of Afghanistan."
@0515524847 I already know the troop buildup in Afghanistan won't work. Afghanistan is not Iraq and it would require vastly more troops to secure every village. Also the ANA and Afghan police are corrupt thugs or they sympathize with the Taliban and will switch sides when US forces leave. On top of that the Karzai government is run by a bunch of thugs. US forces are also poorly trained in language, culture, and religion. HTS was part of the fix, but too little, too late.
@wigon i forgot to mention pakistan...afterall, the war in in afghanistan led US to station its bases inside pakistan something dat came as a bonus i guess. loll i hated musharaf for dat really i will always hate dat SOB for letting US army to use my country's soil to invade our brothers in afghanistan. :( dnt start hating me for this people! how wud u take it if pakistan's military was allowed to station itself in ur country? i m no different too
"I want to kill the English and the U.S and foreigners" so basically anyone who isn't a muslim? I have a bad feeling that islam is going down in a big way... They pray to the devil and think it's God. This has already been foreseen by Christ,
John 16:2-
“I have told you this so that you may not fall away
They will expel you from the synagogues; in fact, the hour* is coming when everyone who kills you will think he is offering worship to God.
SeraphimSword 2 months ago
Why are they eventually releasing him if he has vowed to do it again!
NickEspo1000 2 months ago
terrorist :alright i blew myself up, now where are my 72 virgin women
Alah(or insert god here): ......I didn't say anything about women
SKat036 8 months ago
Shame on Islam
/watch?v=JYpl122kay8
TheRockZH 9 months ago
He is brain washed.
waqar4 10 months ago
it is people like this that turns me off.
they are for surelly messed up.
blow myself up = 72 virgins = pure stupidity
think for heavens sake , if you wanna fight for your country
hold your balls up and come , stop killing innocent civilians
imrantoday 11 months ago
God help this ideological war. Whomever God may be. Please help. I think one day we'll stop and realize but not in my time. Hopefully in my children's time. I'm a Christian and I wholeheartedly respect Islam. There are at least 10,000 good Muslims to every 1 bad. This is fact. God, help this reeling world to heal. Inshallah.
AugmanJR 11 months ago
I love the title of this vid.
I mean to say, you could hardly get inside the mind of a SUCCESSFUL suicide bomber, now could you?!
TerrySleeper 11 months ago
imdadullah not imadadullah
ukurbanfarmer 1 year ago
islan religion NEVER stimulates violence. This boy is crazy... poor boy
robertopj001 1 year ago
Palestinians are racially inferior scum.
MonkeyMohammed 1 year ago
Fuck Jesus, fuck Allah, fuck the quarn, fuck the bible, fuck all religion
ymcagangster 1 year ago
@ymcagangster
what stupid... YOU WILL HAVE TO RESPECT ALL THE RELIGIONS
robertopj001 1 year ago
@ymcagangster Lyrics from Cee-Lo Green's next song?
kentrel2 1 year ago
BRAIN WASHED !!!!
XTCdevotee 1 year ago
fuck you brain washed wahabi motherfucker... this is the real wahabi islam, they are all terrorist, and call themselves muslims..
s00per1 1 year ago 5
not Allah wanting you its the Book and the fucking other Wankers Who Brain wash you. god you weak minded ppl wise up!!
Weebigballs 1 year ago
You ugly scummy bastard I wish you did blow yourself up and your family without hitting any of the uk and us forces. He was afraid and you would never go paradise you shithead more like HELL pakis taliban iraqi's there all the sameTERRORISTS ! SCREW THE QARAAN
Scarab14Tornado 1 year ago
Killing an innocent person is haram (STRICTLY PROHIBITED) in Islam, no matter he is Cristian , British , American, Jew, or a Muslim. According to the " QURAN " even at war, hurting the children, women , the old and the innocent 1z isnt allowed. So killing an innocent British or an American would get u to no where else but HELL.
wadaan1 1 year ago
Yet another suicide bomber using religon to justify their own hate
Tehui1974 1 year ago 9
Take this piece of shit out back and shoot this pig dick eating ass in the fucking face! What a lump of shit and waste of skin...he is not even human. A fucking goat herder, yea the world needs a lot of those and they contribute so much to human kind. Fucked up race and religion!!
MrBRITBRIGHT 1 year ago
Fear mongering
johnnnyboi123 1 year ago
This is probli dere own person ....dats y he caught out dis is all dere bloody planing to make muslim a terrorist in front of da world thru media
DjSalman1 1 year ago
Theres nothing in the Koran that says kill others, this guy hypocrite. These type of ppl is why Muslims aren't trusted around the world.
Berisoo 1 year ago
wth?! suicide is haram. it takes u straight to HELL, not heaven. most of these people don't even know half of islam and are out their killing innocent people for nothing, claiming that islam tells them to.
those effin' "leaders" in pakistan have no interest in anything except for money! if even a small fraction of them genuinely cared for their people, pakistan would be a different place right now.
but what this video shows nothing of is the mainstream pakistani, which is NOTHING like this!
oxXdesihijabiXxo 1 year ago
guys dis is how the wrong pic ov islam is shown 2 make it nitorious...thz guys r bloody ignorants......
hotstylishina143 1 year ago
There are no Christian, Hundhu or Buddhist suicide bombers.
meotaku2 1 year ago
@ wigon "Finally, if Taliban rule is truly how the shariat is to be practiced, please tell me why did not millions of Muslims flock to Afghanistan to live in such a pure Islamic state???"
Good Question. let me ans dat by another question: SAUDI ARABIA seems to be a gr8 place for practicing SHARIAT isnt it? I dnt think milions of muslims ever flocked to start living there!
ANS: no body likes to leave his/her country for their infinite love. Don't u love yours? nothings balck n white dude. :x
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Regarding living under Shariat, actually MILLIONS of Muslims have left their countries to live in the West for economic reasons. Why not leave for spiritual reasons to live in SA (the land of the prophet PBUH)? I honestly don't think the Ummah would even tolerate Taliban-style Shariat when they see freedom of worship in the West. where it doesn't matter if you're a Sunni or a Shi'a or any religion accept before Allah. Ultimately, faith is in the heart & not in a country.
wigon 1 year ago
@0515524847 Again your friends the Taliban killed 35 fellow Muslims in one of the biggest Sufi shrines in Pakistan without mercy. Is murdering Muslim Sufis ok because of a difference of opinion on the issue of the intercession of saints? That is insane. Also these were suicide bombers, NOT CIA or Hindu commandos. Finally, if Taliban rule is truly how the shariat is to be practiced, please tell me why did not millions of Muslims flock to Afghanistan to live in such a pure Islamic state???
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Quit BRAGGING PLEASE.Your accusations are NO LESS than the lies Your Former President BUSH made-up for laying the foundation for invading Muslim nations across the globe.JUST how the heck did you come to know that the attackers were suicide bombers.Was is revealed to you by GOD or did you just made it up.I know you ain't in Pakistan so U wudn't hav done N-E investigation did U?Just cos they were suicide bombers doesn't really tell us that this was done by the taliban?4 U may be! i dono?
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 I'm not bragging. The attack on that Sufi mosque was a horrible tragedy. And actually I was wrong. It wasn't by the Taliban, it was by the GAZI group who support the Taliban and are affiliated with Al-Qaeda and members of Lal Masjid.
This info however came out after my post about the attack.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon ===Again your friends the Taliban killed 35 fellow Muslims in one of the biggest Sufi shrines in Pakistan without mercy===
Only this part of your comment is wot i referred to as you bragging. As your next comment reveals it by YOU stating that the attackers were in fact not taliban but another gruop that goes by the name GAZI.
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon C'mon MAN! i mean taliban may be the ones but that cant be confirmed yet. CIA, Mosad, or RAW may also be behind the attacks. i dono. but U my friend are certainly making huge statements about the attacker's origins as if u got some solid intel as to who carried put the attacks. AGAIN WITHOUT NO APPARENT PROOF. hell there may be some madman from USA behind these attacks !!! who knows??? but from the looks of ur statement, u certainly know better. MUCH better that CIA MUSAAD, even taliban !
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Oh I forgot to mention that I know these were suicide attackers because the witnesses and Pakistani police statements stated that the suicide bombers blew themselves up at various places in the Masjid including at the entrance as panicked crowds tried to escape.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon YEAH & did you know that one of the suspected suicide attacker was identified as a full-time social worker in the Darbaar & later all of his friends that had been arrested were released. thats the extent of dumbass PAKISTANI POLICE INVESTIGATION SKILLS.
- a volunteer servant of Darbar got killed in the attack
-got accused of suicide attack even after his death
- his friends still alive got arrested
l8r on released ONLY due to MEDIA interference into the m8r.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Ok... so who was this social worker? Was he Muslim? I agree that the Pakistani police have serious professionalism problems...but so do police all over the world. It's no wonder that you guys want the Taliban to replace them. But I doubt they'd do a much better job at police work from what I've heard from those who fled the Swat nightmare. Here's an area were seriously, it would not hurt you guys to have foreign police advisors. If not kafr, then maybe UAE police trainers.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon nooooh man! why the heck wud i want some crazy towel head as you call them to replace the police... no way man! These arent even muslims these so called pakistani taliban. My brothers in army fighting these talibans in swat! for 3 years now! i have lost some of my best friends who joined army and diead as martyrs during the fight. I have great respect for the real talibans those who fought the russians and those whoe now fight US army! but these pakistani taliban!they are an abonimation!!
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon You made ur point that the attackers were suicide. i know that too. but how the heck did you know that those suicide attackers the Taliban & not CIA or MOSAD?
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Yes I am sure an American or Jew would blow himself up just to frame the Taliban. When was the last time you ever heard of an American (non-Muslim) or Jewish suicide bomber??? Never. On the other hand you yourself admit that Muslim groups do sucide bombing. Which do you think is most likely?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Well he most certainly cud 'ave been an indian. moreover read history, it tell us the first ever suicide attacks, those responsible werent even muslims lol
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During the Crusades, the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships, killing 140 Christians in order to kill ten times as many Muslims
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Japanese even prform ritual suicide.
The ritual act of self-sacrifice during combat appeared in a large scale at the end of World War II with the Japanese kamikaze bombers.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 So a Hindu is going to kill himself just to make some Muslim group look bad? Yes I'm sure Hindus are lining up to blow themselves up to make radical Muslim groups look evil. Also, the Knights Templar WERE RELIGIOUS FANATICS just like your friends in the various radical Deobandi groups in Pakistan. Likewise the Japanese were RELIGIOUS fanatics. American soldiers are NOT religious fanatics. Find me any American willing to kill himself just to make a Muslim group look bad.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon why has he to do it when so many missguided young muslims are readily available and can practically be bought if you know that...! that surely makes it a lot less difficult doesnt it. i mean! you dnt even have to convinve them, they dont have anything to live for, mostly these young men have lost one two or in some cases all of their family members either in drones attacks or whatever. Americans anyway are way too in love of this mortal world to even think about suicide loll. thot u knew
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847
I know this because Americans and ESPECIALLY JEWS do not blow themselves up unless they are insane. In this case it was multiple suicide bombers. Surely their would be survivors who would identify the suicide bombers as white men or Jews unless those crazy people were black, hispanic, asian or NATIVE Americans or Jews!!! Maybe Arab Jews!!!?? AH HA!!! No... those people love money more then paradise. I know you will at least agree with me on that part. :)
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon heheheh yeah the arabs are just that SOBs of the sort you just described dude. A BIG LOL for that one hahaha :) and yeah we never found an american suicide bomber, i never really said that americans wud starts clowing themsleves up for sucha dumb reason :) what i was saying is that they are indirectly involved in the funding of these so called pakistani taliban.
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon I am a SUNI muslim more than being a Deobandi. we practice sufism (tasawuuf) too buddy. we follow Chishti, Naqshbandi, Qadiri and Suhrawardi orders
==things U shud know about us b4 making false statements==
the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims, as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah, by Madhhab they are Hanafee,in conduct they are Sufis,scholastically they are Maturidi and in Sulook they are Chisti;rather they combine all Sufi orders.And in nisbat they are Deobandi.
GOT IT.
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon "Also these were suicide bombers, NOT CIA or Hindu commandos."
SO YOU SAY U DEFEND ISLAM YET YOU ACCUSE MUSLIMS OF A SUICIDE ATTACK JUST COS IT WAS A SUICIDE ATTACK. If thats they way you judge attacks then the only thing insane here is your way of thinking!
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 I don't defend Islam, Allah does not need me for that. The true religion stands on its own for Allah is all-knowing and all-powerful. I accuse Muslims of sucide attack because they exist and I see it as a HUGE problem in Islamic societies that there is a lack of critical self-analysis of the Umma. The fact of the matter is that Muslims are humans just like kafr and are capable of doing insane things in the name of religion and ideologies. We all have similar basic psychologies.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Yeah you are right. muslims have never really evolved as an ummah after the destruction of turkish Kaliphate! What really needs to be done is to stop giving young men a reason to die a haram death. muslims know that suicide is haraam and those who comit suicide will burn forever in hell fire. But man the US actions are a direct consqquence to the creation of suicide bombers in the first place. This war has lead us no where and it should be stopped. people leave afghanistan be. PEACE.
0515524847 1 year ago
@fuckallahandislam You mean like we aren't all brainwashed by one ideology or another. From your heated comments you appear to be brainwashed by an anti-Islamic ideology.
Not that you care, but the hadith regarding the virigins is a very weak one and highly questionable amongst Islamic scholars. Also there is no mention of alcohol in paradise in Islamic teachings.
wigon 1 year ago
@mikekayaksfast Like what? What would fix all the problems? There are no simple solutions there and Pakistan has nukes.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon you know the paradox in ur statement.You are consious about the fact that pakistan has nukes that can be a real threat to the world.YES you are right but history tells us that the only country ever to have used them is ur's (USA),a real threat to all mankind,responsible for completely wipingout two fully populated cities from the face of the earth.u tell me whoz the real threat.those who have nukes bt have never used them or those who have nukes and also have used them,not once but twice.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 That is true, however it can be argued that those nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan killed far less people then the planned invasion would have killed. The Japanese were prepared to fight and die to the bitter end as they had proven to do on every island we faught them on during WWII. All of Japans civilians were being armed with any weapon possible. Easily over a million Japanese would have died if we had invaded. Anyways, how does more nukes make the world safer?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon so counter aurguably, you are saying that if the US acts like japan, any country that is in the state of war with the US should be allowed to nuke NEWYORK & WASHINGTON DC if dats supposed to stop the war. ???
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 No, we are not invading the entire Middle East and most Americans believe Iraq was a mistake and we are leaving. Americans want to get the hell out of the Middle East. Threats & continued attacks by Al-Qaeda affiliated groups however make this very difficult. Several senior Taliban leaders and many Al-Qaeda shaykhs have pledged endless Jihad until America is destroyed... and yes they would use nukes even if it meant billions of Muslim Shahid in the resulting nuclear counter-attack.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Is that pledge seriously a surprise 2 U??? who lead them (taliban leaders & alqaeda sheiks) to do such a pledge my man? for us Muslims, America has become the greatest threat of all times greater than the crusaders of the western dark ages that attacked & captured Jerusalem, greater than the Mongols under the command of Ganghis Khan that completely annihilated Baghdad in 1258. Your army invaded their homelands. killed their loved ones and yet u r seemingly surprised by the retaliation!!!
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 If you support the pledge of the Taliban to destroy America, then you support terrorism & the killing of American civilians? How else will Muslims destroy America then by attacking our financial institutions (killing civilians)? You say on one hand that Islam = peace but then say it is Islamic to destroy America and kill civilians as revenge? Then Americans will seek revenge & kill more Muslims! BTW, what happened to the Mongol hordes who invaded Muslim lands? They became Muslim.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I support it as i feel the pain & suffering of my fellow muslim brothers and sisters. i know that forgiveness is a higher moral value in islam but revenge is nevertheless allowed in islam. You kill my family,i can in return kill you bt mind my point. i cant kill any one else for your actions. you precieve me wrong all along. when i say i support their pledge, i mean bush admin should b pnished. i know bout it&some of the greatest achievements go into the shelves of those convert mongols.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 In Islamic revenge, only the guilty individuals can be killed and not their entire family. It must also be authorized through a respected shariat legal system to insure the reasons for revenge are just reasons. Also is not forgiveness seen as higher in the eyes of Allah?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon DAhhhhhhhhHHH. THATS wot i already said. YOU are doing nothing but supporting wot i have already said.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 "Keep to forgiveness, and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant. And if it should happen that a prompting from Satan stirs thee up [to anger], seek refuge with Allah: behold, He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."
The Qur'an 7:199-200
"But withal, if one is patient in adversity and forgives - this, behold, is indeed something to set one's heart upon."
The Qur'an 42:43
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon THANKS dear! your verses will surely clear some misconceptions among non-muslims. INSHALLAH
======THUMBS UP=====
====mashallah====
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon BTW wot do you think USA is doing rite now. isnt it revenge thats taken it to war with IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN. Its OK for the US to ACT in revenge but unjust if its done by another NATION. That just doent feel rite to me, does it???
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 This is why it was just. 1. Al-Qaeda under the protection of the Taliban attacked America several times BEFORE 9/11 and they took credit for each attack. America had only HELPED the Taliban before then. Then came 9/11. Do you truly call this revenge on the Taliban an unprovoked attack? If one group gets revenge for such an attack, can the 1st attacker then get counter-revenge? Where does the killing stop? Genocide?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon it was as unprovoked as a sudden rain in the middle of a sunny day in JULY.
==="Al-Qaeda under the protection of the Taliban attacked America several times BEFORE 9/11"===
THAT IS WOT THE US GOVT MADE ITS CITIZENS BELIEVE RIGHT AFTER 9/11. THATS NOT U TALKING>>>THATS MR BUSH RITE THERE<<<
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Actually, no every American was well aware that Al-Qaeda had attacked American citizens several times before 9/11. That's not Bush talking, that's me. It was a known fact that Al-Qaeda was steadily conducting more sophisticated attacks. 9/11 was a logical escalation of such attacks. What GREATER glory then to strike at the heart of the Great Shaitan??? How many Taliban Shaykhs condemmed the attacks in Pakistan or Afghanistan? How many Saudi Shaykhs (not on SA govt. payrolls)?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon THATS where the part comes known in ISLAM as FORGIVENESS. Did you know when MAKAH was conquered By MUSLIMS, Hadrat Muhammad PBUH not only didnt carry out a bloody revenge but actually embraced the vary makaan's who had fought him for 3 years in attempts to annihilate him. it was very shocking for makkans themselves. these are episodes of great generosity mercy & kindness that is taught by ISLAM.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 I agree, that the conquest of Mecca showed great compassion and mercy on the part of the prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Pakistan has got nukes. we certainly haven't ever threatened USA have we.when was the US attacked or invaded by a Muslim state. NEVER in the history buddy.The only country ever to invade her was japan DAT too isn't a Muslim state. Speaking of nuking USA.u give a nuke to a fanatic american non muslim who want to destroy USA & he aint gona think once b4 nuking America. thats wot fanatics do & has nothin 2 do wid ISLAM r Muslims in particular. which leads us back 2 d word "MUSLIM FANATIC" :x
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Yes Pakistan has nukes but while not threatening the US it has threatened India who is now a big trading parter. The 9/11 attack was seen by Americans EXACTLY as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Your Al-Qaeda friends attacked America and now claim to be the innocent victims defending themselves as great heroes when all they have done is brought death and destruction upon your nation, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Thankfully, Iraq is slowly eliminating Al-Qaeda & will do so Inshallah.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon threats made by india and pakistan are like eating meal three times a day. India pakistan are mortal enemies. wot do you expect from them dude loll. thats a weak arguement really and missleading too. btw how do u relate threats to india with that of threats to the us loll HELL NO. USA brought war upon Afghanistan & IRAQ & while we a re argueing, its getting beaten up so hard, that the world is shocked. US army is on a STANCEthat it wasnt even well trained to do. DEFENSIVE!!!
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Many Muslims live peacefully alongside Hindus with no problems. It is only the extremists on both sides that stir up problems and violence. Remember India has a HUGE Muslim population. Furthermore the entire division was artificially created by the kafr British.
I also wouldn't call the US Army stance in Afghanistan "defensive". Problem #1 is a corrupt and less-then loyal ANA and police force who often act worse then the Taliban towards local Afghan villagers.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon YEAH but US army stance isn't exactly offensive too. & yeah partly the causes of it you mentioned are true too. but who cares, i just want USA outa AFGHANISTAN & PAKISTAN. USA has got some kinda PEACE KEEPING COMPLEX. Only their strategies bring nothing less than death, famine, destruction, corruption, violence, disease, suffering & ultimately CHAOS in the whole region.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 If you want the US advisors out of Pakistan then go elect new politicians. If you want Americans out of Afghanistan then support a peace process that will bring Taliban into the government and remove the US from the region. Simple as that. Americans don't want to be there. Period. We don't hate Islam, we don't hate Pakistanis. We just don't want terrorist training camps developed there for the purpose of attacking Western nations considered by most Deobandi to be dar al-Harb.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon today more civillian deaths are caused due to the war in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN. ur presedents had been bragging along that there were WMD's in IRAQ. they had so called solid proofs so where are those darn WMDs. Have u ever seen cities of Iraq using google earth. i recomend u see it. u wont believe the beauty of its construction its streamlines streets and roads...ALL TURNED TO DUST and for wot.something that wasnt even real. i think these are the vary problems dat the US helped create. :(
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Yes the Bush admin. lied about WMD's. Bush does not = America. Also most Iraqi cities suffered only minor dammage. Only Fellujah got the hell blown out of it with massive devastation. That was an example of what happens when the US military is allowed off its leash to do what they do best. Right now they are heavily restrained on the use of bombs and the new Obama policy in Afghanistan focuses much more on creating jobs, building schools, building roads, digging wells, etc..
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon
-Dats it??? bush admin lied???i cant feel the rage now.ur people supported him into going into war on iraq man. u saying bush doesnot = america. but he certainly = american president. leader of americans wasnt he. representative of ur people. For us (the non-americans)... his deeds represented wot US citizens wanted. he invaded iraq cus dats wot ur people wanted. every american citizen who supported him is accountable for deaths in iraq (both us and iraqi).
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 At the time, yes. It wasn't until years later that even Republicans began to admit that Bush misled them and maybe lied to them. Even while Bush was elected (by barely half the civilians) that does not make the US civilian population a legitimate target for Jihad in Islam. Even a caliphate rules only by the consent of the people (which is why many were murdered when the people were unhappy).
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon No not at all. You have to get it straight. jihad is different from invasion. man u dnt know nothing about islam do u. u speak the words jihad as if you know wot it means. do u think we muslims are allowed by our creator to just attack/invade other countries and kill innocent people for the sake of jihad or in the name of Allah. No buddy. if a muslim kills another humenbeing (regardless of the faith) its as if he has killed the whole mankind. A sin Allah will never forgive.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Offensive Jihad was done on many occasions. Read about Battle of Mu’tah, the first offensive Jihad. Also, study the expansion of the Islamic empire under the rightly-guided Caliph Umar the Great. Today many Islamic scholars consider offensive Jihad as fard al-kifaya (obligatory on the Umma) while the minority disagree due to their being no Caliphate. Some also believe it was only for Mohammed (PBUH) and the 1st four rightly guided Caliphates.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I know about Battle of Mu'tah. It was an offensive jihad but what was the reason for it? reason was the killing of the emissaries that were sent [to Banu Sulaym & other tribes under the protection of the Byzantines] by Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Killing envoys and messengers used to be regarded as the most awful crime, and amounted to the degree of war declaration. it was 3000 Muslims vs 200,000 Byzantine soldiers. this offensive was JUST in its cause. "BLOOD FOR BLOOD" is allowed in ISLAM.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 If the Battle of Mu'tah was purely retaliatory, then what were the massive conquests of Umar the Great? If Jihad is purely defensive are you saying that what Umar did was not Islamic?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon i never said that JIHAD IS PURELY DEFENSIVE. man please i beg YOU. STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. I know wot i have to say. u dont have to do that for me... THANKS BRO. may be u need to read the Sahih Muslim, Book 19. you will see how Umar was just in his cause as well.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Umar's goal was the spread of Islam through conquest and war. That is no different then the goal of every Muslim extremist. Now you must understand how the kafr in the West have a little bit of a problem with that yes? Most here kinda like how they live and like their religion (or lack of religion) and do not wish to live in a brutal Wahhabi style Islamic nation where freedom of thought and critical thinking is surpressed.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon things you talk about are no where found in the history of mankind. Umer's GOAL wasn't bloodbath was it. YES he wanted to spread ISLAM. He mashallah did it too. What he really did was bring peace and prosperity to the nations that he conquered.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Regarding Umar, this rationale of bringing peace and prosperity was also used by the Roman Empire...and for long periods the Romans also brought peace, prosperity, education, along with law and order. Whatever the case, that was then, but today things are very different. Now you have many radical Islamic groups demanding Shariat Law in European nations that are prosperious and peaceful.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Jihad is regularly misconstrued as war, with all its connotations of violence and bloodshed. However, in the Islamic context, and in literal sense, the word jihad simply means a struggle - doing one's utmost to further a worthy cause. The actual Arabic equivalent of war, is qital, and even this is meant in a defensive sense.
this word QITAL is never used not once in the whole Quran.
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon i never said electing bush makes every us citizen a target for jihad. Arabic for war is qital not jihad. yet no citizen is even a ligitamate target for qital. whoever kills another human unless it be for murder or creating mischeif in land, it is as though he has killed the whole mankind.Quran doesnt stop here and contines, whosoever saves one (muslim or nonmuslim) it is as if he had saved the whole mankind. ALQuran (5:32).
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon why should i do that. i am not here to comment on what muslims from differnt sects of islam believe in. i respect their views and know dat all four sect (followers of 4 greatest imams of islam) are right in their our sense of understanding. btw You know u have an acute sense of humor. i belong to the deobandi sect loll. i know my scholars favor qital but thats not my point. even if we favor it, by no means can this make us go killing the innocent.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 It is important because the Deobandi Taliban kill those who disagree with their views of Shariat. Tell me, was the CIA responsible for murdering and hanging from trees those government employees and people who disagreed with the Taliban after they invaded the Swat valley? Yes... they definitely love Qital and love murdering other Muslims.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon man you cannot associate one man's ambition to ISLAM. just as i cant say that becoz BUSH invaded iraq and afghanistan he is a FANATIC Christian. You tend to walk on the road looking no farther than the place your next step will land. You associate the actions of a madman to religion. THAT IS NOT FAIR. IF you tend to defend Islam then stop saying the word fanatic Muslims. that was our real discussion!
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Bush was a Christian fanatic. We can agree on that. But that was then, this is now. Obama is now president of the US. I will ALWAYS use the term "radical Muslim" or "Extremist Muslim" because what they stand for is the extreme interpretation of Islam based on literal interpretations of Islam outside of historical context and then try to apply it exactly the same to modern times. They do not believe in ijtihad and believe in infinite war against kafr who refuse to submit.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You are a HARDLINER do you know! Call them radical. hell yeah. they are so. Call them extremists cus dats wot they are. extremist madmen. But don't associate them to Islam. cus wot they do isnt wot ISLAM teaches us.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 I call the madmen you speak "Muslims" because they do what they do in the name of Islam. If the Taliban made a big effort to seperate them from the really insane groups, that would be good. I think most Americans are VERY open to hearing the Taliban's point of view and their perspectives. I would LOVE to live with them for a year to really understand them. But I know that I'd get killed quick after being accused of spying the second a drone kills anyone in the region I was in.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon ok i think we has a little bit consensus here! you r rite that al qaeda doesnt represent islam TRUE. but taliban do represent Islam. Infact i fully support their movement. for US they are terrorists but for us muslims they are freedom fighters. your govt called them the same & even trained and financed them during the russian invasion. taliban were infact US trained+financed jihadi group that included chechens, uzbaks, tajiks, pakistanis, indian, saudi mujahidins etc.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Then why do the Taliban work with Al-Qaeda and why do the Taliban use the same un-Islamic tactics as Al-Qaeda? Where in the Holy Qur'an does it say that it is ok for a Muslim to fight even dirtier then the kafr? Yes I know America trained ONLY the older senior Taliban leaders (the younger fighters were little boys in the 80's). That does not answer the question of why you refuse to believe that they have killed innocent people and fellow Muslims over and over again.
wigon 1 year ago
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
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wigon 1 year ago
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
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@0515524847 Jihad can mean many things including religious war. It is used in that context many times in the Qur'an & Ahadith. Please sir, tell your definition to a Deobandi Shaykh if you wish to see him laugh. However, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban DO NOT represent Islam. But yet they still do terrorism in the name of Islam. I have spent the last 8 years studying Islamic theology from the 4 madhhabs as well as Tasawuuf, Deobandi, and Salafi ideaologies and I welcome theological discussion.
wigon 1 year ago
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0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon DO u know only 2995 died on 9/11. can u compare it to the death toll in iraq to date? Just becoz ur elected govt lied, ur country went to a war dat caused a massive iraqi civillian death toll, the statistics are between 800,000 and 1.3 million "excess deaths" that have been estimated in iraq since invasion of iraq in 2003.can u not c d real terrorist. i know blood 4 blood thing dude but this is way outa league. this looks 2 me as blood 4 fun.damn man!blood spilled due 2 a mistake A LIE.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 And as I said, the vast majority of those Iraqis killed were done so by other Muslims in that lovely death count you quote. They were mostly killed by the people you call mujahid or by Shi'a death squads. The US had to fight hard and use alot of diplomacy to end that fighting. You act as if every single one of those people were innocent civilians.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon How diluted of you to say that those lovely deaths were caused by muslim suicide bombers when these suicide attacks were a direct result of the invasion of iraq by ur country. Iraq never saw such attacks b4 2003. same is the case with afghanistan. uptill the start of a war by ur country in 2001, afghanistan never ever in history has any sort of reported case of a suicide attack. Your country practically helped the freedom fighters device this technique.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Yes no terrorism pre-2003 because there was no Al-Qaeda except Ansar Al-Islam in N. Iraq who were enemies with Saddam. Our invasion turned Iraq into a Al-Qaeda paradise recruiting angry Iraqis & conducting terrorist operations (including destroying all U.N. operations led by one of the most respected and beloved U.N. envoys, Sergio Vieira de Mello a man who's life was devoted to peace, getting rid of landmines, and stopping wars. You BTW, just admitted that they did suicide attacks.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You really don't think i wouldn't admit that suicide bombers are carried out by Iraqi Muslims. Its a GRIM reality. Suicide is haraam in Islam yet it has become the only weapon of choice that can cause severe damage to the enemy forces (NATO, Allied & US forces in Iraq & Afghanistan). Wot will u do if an army so advance invades you that nothing less than suicide attacks can cause damage. wud you not dare become a suicide bomber. hell i will. cuz i wnt sit while my country falls apart. :!
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 So you think that it is ok to ignore Allah and fight even dirtier then the worst kafr while also killing Muslims working for the Afghan government? I understand the psychological reasons for using suicide attacks. But they USE THE NAME OF ISLAM to justify their attacks. This is THE WORST BIDAH IMAGINABLE. The more Islam is twisted, the more the soul is twisted by Shaitan.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon and yet again as i said earlier, if the US had to fight hard, so be it. They created these problems that they have to face today. problems that are so dire that they cant be solved by the US themselves. deplomecy isnt probably the best word here cus deplomancy dsnt require waging wars on soverign countries 4 christ's sake. You talk about an end to the fight that didnt happen at all due to deplomacy bt infact US economy cant withstand the continued war in iraq. Otherwise US wud nvr leave.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Yes American can not afford to stay in the Middle East. Its impossible. So why do you say that America is trying to rule Muslims? . You my friend are in denial that radical Islamic extremists exist. Do you serioiusly believe that all those videos of training camps and young boys training as "shahid bombers" are all CIA or Mossad? You have NEVER heard a Muslim say that they support "Shahid operations" in America and that they support attacking Shi'a masjids in Pakistan?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Man u gotta quit judging me.I believe in wot is right to believe in & i do believe that Muslim extremists exist. hell i m a Fundamental Muslim extremist bt not a terrorist. I have submitted my will to Allah in complete entirety and extreme. I lv my prophet and all others 2 the extreme. I lv Quran to the extreme. I tell the truth and restrain 4m telling falsehood 2 the extreme.I do good deeds & restrain 4 doin evil 2 the extreme. i hav 2 b extremist in followin Islam2becum a gud Muslim.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 That is good. If you love islam to the extreme, then you should fear in the extreme of being seperated from beloved Allah when you die which is what will happen if you are wrong and have truly perverted the intention of Allah and his prophets (peace and blessings be upon them all). Submitting to Allah does not mean submitting to Shaykh who tells you that killing anyone against the Taliban (including other Muslims) is the will of Allah. Think for yourself & not follow blindly.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon So now you are going to teach ISLAM to me. You mean to say that what ever good deeds if a few that i have being doing for the past 25 years will prove to be fruitless. WOW just WOW! i speak the truth n dats gona take me to hell. i dont lie and thats not what Allah's intention is. i stand against injustice and thats not wot Allah ordered Muslims to do. Then surely my friend you need to see a Psychologist. Your words show me your blind study about islam nothing else.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 No I am not saying that your good deeds are fruitless. I am saying that even Muslims in Al-Qaeda do good deeds. Bin Laden did many good deeds. But few good deeds balance using the name of Islam to murder other Muslims who oppose Deobanda/Salafi theology. But ultimately Allah almighty will judge our hearts as he knows them better then we know ourselves. Allah knows best.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon & the radicals extremists that u r talking about, i have got no objection wotsoever but one. they ARE-NOT CAN-NOT be Muslims PERIOD. How can somebody be called a Muslim if he does something that goes against Islam, against the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, against the Holy Quran itself and ultimately against the orders of Allah. He who does that no longer submits his/her will to the commandments of ALLah and thus isnt a MUSLIM. cant u get this simple statement.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 About the extremists. They ARE Muslim. Why? Because they took the Shahada & follow all central tenants of Islam. Read what ALL of the greatest Islamic scholars have said about the danger of declaring Takfir on other Muslims. Even a liberal Sufi can't declare Takfir on a Wahhabi. However, it is the job of a Muslim to gently lead his brother/sister away from Bidah & not to kill each other over theology. Are you a perfect Muslim? If not, are you an apostate because you commit a sin?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon OKAY i non muslim takes SHAHADAH and commits suicide. wot does Islam teach us about this situation. The non-muslim did take shahadah embracing Islam but by committing suicide that muslim died a KAFIR. SO be reminded that nobody becomes a muslim just cos he/she takes shahadah! surely ALLAH knows and ALLAH knows best.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Ah now I agree. However some scholars do not agree and say that if the suicide is done in the process of killing an enemy in Jihad, then he is giving his life for Allah and thus dies as Shahid. That includes Muslims who have had takfir declared upon them because they work for the Karzai government or for NATO or even Western aid/development agencies. Sometimes the Taliban grant mercy, other times they do not.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon No, I am certainly not a perfect Muslim but i most certainly strive hard to become one someday INSHALLAH.
To me forgiveness scores more than revenge.
Allah surely says that his Forgiveness shadows over his WRATH.
Although i m not a perfect Muslim. no body is perfect. We Muslims just believe that Allahs Rehmat will Shelter us from his Ghazab. If perfection was to be the critarion for judgment by ALlah then surely every one MUSLISM/NONMUSLIMS are bound to go to hell.BUT DATS NOT TRUE :)
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Regarding perfection in Islam, those are good points you make and are very true. I'm glad we agree upon forgiveness, but I pray that the Taliban are capable of forgiveness. I also wish that the Taliban would come to realize that more can be accomplished through diplomacy then through fighting. If they publicly stated that they will allow foreign Muslim monitors to insure that there are no Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, Americans would all support leaving Afghanistan.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon OKAY let me tell you something i have my solid sources rooting to a few young officials serving in pakistan army who took part in operations in swat valley against a group that called them selves tehrik-taliban pakistan. Those fighters dat got killed during the fight had the firarms made in india and USA. this shocked pakistan army l8r on when these dead fighters were given ghusal suposing then to be muslims, all hadnt had their Circumcision. wot can u say about that.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Then why did all the Taliban leadershp acknowledge and support the Taliban takeover of Swat? Why were no pictures taken of these "uncurcumcized" bodies? Also, BTW, the Taliban often use captured weapons from Kashmir and Afghanistan. Do you think India or the CIA would be stupid enough to give "Fake Taliban" US and Indian weapons? Seriously? Show me evidence and not conspiracy theories.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon NOT STUPID MY MAN ('',) THATS CALLED TACTICS.
"THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND" >>>IN case u FORGOT<<<
If i was the enemy of Pakistan, & i had all the money in the world. I most certainly wud buy all the weapons as possible and arm those so called (tehrik-e-taliban) b******ds to destabilize Pakistan.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 If India was behind tactics to arm militant groups to destabilize Pakistan, that does not make sense as those are the same groups that attack India and who are making ties with Indian Islamic militant organizations. Likewise it makes NO SENSE for America to destabilize Pakistan when Pakistan HAS NUKES!!! That is the worst nightmare for America if Al-Qaeda got ahold of those nuclear weapons. A destabilized Pakistan serves no good purpose for anyone.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon the war on iraq and afghanistan was never really about al qaeda osama or sadam's so called WMD's. it was all about AMERICA to get its presence known to this part of the world that the US had very little to no influence at all. nobody can justify those who got killed in iraq/aghan war. those sons of america dat lost their lives trying to find WMD's... whos to blame man. those civis dat die whos to blame for their deaths man. its all so messed up dat that it seems impossible to control.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 So you mean that massive rage and thirst for revenge felt by every American after 9/11 had nothing to do with it? If so then you badly misunderstand Americans. You also obviously have never talked to a typical American soldier about why he fights. No influence? Before 9/11 the US had bases all over Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, etc.. We had no need for MORE influence. Anyways, America is leaving Iraq and I think Iraqi's will continue to destroy Al-Qaeda after we leave.
wigon 1 year ago
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 I am a former US Army engineer trained in explosives. It was not a controlled demolition. There is not room to list the hundreds of reasons why. Also if it was a conspiracy then EVERY NATO nation would have to have known about the conspiracy as much of the info on the 9/11 hijackers came from Germany, France, Spain, & a few other nations. Osama had also, pre-9/11, threatened MANY times to attack America & has never denied that he did it. Many Al-Qaeda leaders are MIA (Mullah Omar).
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon an amateur can tell that the demolition of WTCs was controlled by the way they went strainght down to the ground. you tube has got tons of videos inwhich explosions can be heard way after the twin towers were struck. youtube "wtc demolitions" and see the video under the topic "Comparison Vid - The Planned WTC Demolition" and you will get it straight. afterall you are a former army engineer.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 1. The "explosions" were the floors falling on each other. 2. I don't think the terrorist pilots of those planes were counting floors as they flew into those buildings. Notice the buildings begin to collapse where the planes hit. 3. There were no reports of an army of contractors working on the building infastructure before the collapse (placing explosives). 4. If they wanted mass casualties they would have made the buildings fall sideways by detonating only one side of building.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon just so you know! wtcs were made of steel that can sustain far more higher temps than that of attained by burning jet fuel. and in one of these recorded videos i saw molten steel oozing out of the building. you can just act blindly or accept the facts here. how could a steel designed to sustain far more higher temp than that attained from burning jet fuel melt down. Reason it and you will see the truth.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 The steel did not have to melt, only to become weakened. Once weakened, its load-bearing ability is reduced and structural failure will follow. Simple. What you "saw" could have been any type of metal used in the construction. I'm not saying pictures or video don't exist, but I've never seen any such pictures from the WTC. A friend sends me tons of 911 pics/videos because he's a big conspiracy theorist. I have these arguements all the time with him.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You fogot IRAN bro. Afghanistan was the substitute 2 iran.
=====IRANIAN REVOLUTION in 1979=====
It refers to events involving the overthrow of Iran's monarchy (Pahlavi dynasty) under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (having close ties with US govt) and its replacement with an Islamic republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution.
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The US lost its foothold in iran & to makeup for it, US govt deviced a longterm including invasion of afghanistan.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 False. Afterwards we created many bases/facilities in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Turkey, and other nations in the Middle East all without invading anyone. By the way, I was born in Tehran, Iran in 1974 (to American citizens) so I know Iranian history. I also lived in Saudi Arabia on the USMTM compound in Riyadh in the 1980's and in 1997, while in the US Army, I trained with Egyptian soldiers. I've also lived in Indonesia (the biggest Muslim nation in the world).
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon good u were born in iran so u probably better know its history. all u got to do is fix the puzzle. u got all the pieces. wot difficulty do u face in fixing it.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 You see this issue as a simple puzzle with 2 sides: The Good guys- Muslims and the Bad Guys- Kafr Americans and Zionists. I see idiots and murderers doing the work of Shaitan on both sides. Notice that I defend Islam against the American idiots posting farther back on this discussion. I do not take sides. I follow what I are universal beliefs in what is right and what is just while respecting all religions aside from its followers to who seek to use religion for murder & power.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Yes i do see two sides. ONE side is responsible for almost simultaneous invasions on two sovereign nations & the other side is trying to defend its homeland desperately out of sheer hopelessness and despair. & yes i do feel that a few black sheep within Muslim Freedom Fighters are doing work of Shaitan as u say it. Yeah bro i know u defend Islam but u have just a few misconceptions about things happening on the ground. WE Muslims will stop hating Americans if they just stop killing us.
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon i dont speak for other religions but i assure u about Islam. Any muslim that uses Islam for murder & power is sure to burn till eternity in hell by the grace of Almighty Allah Inshallah.
For Allah forgives if somebody breaks HAKOOK-Allah but Allah never forgives a person who breaks Hakook-ul-ibad unless the vary person forgives him to whom he owes an apology. this is proven also by the hadith of the Prophet Muhamamd PBUH
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon "We had no need for MORE influence"
dats wot u think. dats certainly not wot the bush admin thought. but bro dont get me wrong. both of us are on the same side. i am not trying to fight. i respect ur point of view. i might b wrong in my analysis but dats wot i think. speaking of leaving iraq. man can u not see it. sucha big BLUNDER. iraq proved to be the hornest's nest just like afghanistan. Man ur country invaded another sovergn country without a reason. who is the terrorist here ??????
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 Ah here is the difference between war and terrorism. War targets military forces. Civilian deaths are accidental normally (although war crimes happen). Terrorism is the direct targetting of civilians for the purpose of spreading fear & terror in that civilian population. BIG DIFFERENCE. But it is true that dead is dead & Ithe Iraq invasion was definitely a mistake and a gift to Al-Qaeda by making them very popular and giving them many recruits and alot of money from donations.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon yeah but u just said it bro. electing bush doesnt make every american citizen a target. not all the afghans support osama yet the whole of the country had 2 SHARE the same fate. saddam wasnt a popular figure too in iraq but yet all iraqis had to share the same fate. sadams WMD or noWMD & Osama were the reasons ur contry went to a war dude. u seem to be an army man. do you know wot the US army did in an event famous as the the highway of death in the gulf war. got two words.SAVAGE BASTARDS
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 No, they don't. Large parts of Afghanistan are free of US soldiers and war because the Taliban are not there. They have peace and NGO's helping them rebuild infastructure because there is better security. In Iraq, the Kurds DID NOT share the same fate as all Iraqis. Why? Again better security except in Mosul due to the volatile mix of ethnic and religious groups (and fighting over oil rights between those groups). Aside from that Kurdistan prospered greatly post invasion.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon "Eight years after the terror strike on the United States, which prompted an invasion of Afghanistan to oust the Taliban, there are indications that the insurgents are continuing to widen their reach inside the country.
A respected international think tank has released a new map showing, for the first time, the Taliban have a "permanent presence" in 80 percent of Afghanistan."
taken from VOANEWS.com
0515524847 1 year ago
@wigon man YOUR president is sending more troops to Afghanistan as more and more Afghani territories have started to fall under Taliban control.
0515524847 1 year ago
@0515524847 I already know the troop buildup in Afghanistan won't work. Afghanistan is not Iraq and it would require vastly more troops to secure every village. Also the ANA and Afghan police are corrupt thugs or they sympathize with the Taliban and will switch sides when US forces leave. On top of that the Karzai government is run by a bunch of thugs. US forces are also poorly trained in language, culture, and religion. HTS was part of the fix, but too little, too late.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon i forgot to mention pakistan...afterall, the war in in afghanistan led US to station its bases inside pakistan something dat came as a bonus i guess. loll i hated musharaf for dat really i will always hate dat SOB for letting US army to use my country's soil to invade our brothers in afghanistan. :( dnt start hating me for this people! how wud u take it if pakistan's military was allowed to station itself in ur country? i m no different too
0515524847 1 year ago