and it serves not the richest of people ( who run those countries, truly ) justly, to run their assets into the ground without adequate return... The recipe for communism is spread, divide, conquer, repeat... they take a country by means of instilling their ideology and starting small sects and political parties. Since korea and vietnam were not stable civily to begin with ( occupied ) dividing them was not hard. they conquered ( in the case of vietnam ) and tryed to repeat ( afghanistan )...
@GodlessMartyr666 I think Ho was communist from his early years, but may have been open to other ideas as well. He took his country down the road to communism, much as Mao did. Outside influences took place only within the realm of their personal conflicts. The support and aid that came was only a result of their success in persueding other countries to support their cause. Not outside countries instigating war so they could sell arms.
The basic rule of thumb to follow is no country , capitalist , communist or otherwise would undertake a conflict in a satellite nation unless it served them justly to do so. And supporting a communist republic in my opinion would not convince the people backing the party running the super nation ( russia ) to go to war over. Not when the economy relies on the upholding of a divine balance between upkeep of interests abroad and control of internal dissent (communist populations are rarely happy).
@GodlessMartyr666 And why not? The Soviet Union backed the North Vietnamese? As long as the Soviet Union had control over its people and internal dessent, they could do whatever pleased them. Happiness depends often on who you were before the revolution. The serf may have felt he gained something.
and unfortunately for a communist super power like russia, they needed war to survive. The whole point of communism is there is basically no private sector... the govt and therefore country itself rely on production of goods, as any country does. Now, since russia is incapable of producing almost anything worth purchasing other than arms , equipment and their main export ( the communism )... You can see why they were implanting themselves into small conflicts allover the eastern hemisphere...
@GodlessMartyr666 You are driving the arms production to survive as the reason for the wars. It just was not the case. Once people understood that communist 'equality' meant every one was equaly poor except those who were more equal, it collapsed. It had no future, and the people were little better off than before. After years of watching the west get rich and richer, and the advent of the internet, cell phones etc. Communism is falling apart.
As I already said, the conflicts themselves WERE NOT STARTED by the super nations involved. They ( korea, vietnam ) are referred to as satellites which were infiltrated by their respective politicos prior to their intentional inflammation of the conflicts therein... Russia specifically chose the nations whose population were most likely to be involved in an internal dispute and eventual de-stabilisation... hence countries already occupied, on the verge of social collapse... It's pure conquest...
@GodlessMartyr666 It was idiology that drove the clash. If I was a serf in Russia, Korea, or Vietnam who was oppressed and living in poverty I probobly would have joined the communists. Capitalism and democracy would not have made sense to me being uneducated and poor. So yes, I suppose the Ruskies determined where their system would be most popular and tried to impliment it. The west at the same time was very fearful of the communist revolution.
@GodlessMartyr666 I understand the term proxy war. And it could be used in Korea and Vietnam as well as Afganistan under the Ruskies. But that was not the reason for the wars.
I am not trying to say the civil aspect of the countries being fought over ( korea, vietnam ) was not in turmoil of their own, but this was a pre cursor to far more than just civil war in southeast asia... Once the french were pushed out of vietnam by commis funded and trained by the reds ( china , and small groups of russian advisors ) it was available , fertile ground to breed a major war over. The united states interest in these conflicts was purely monetarily based. True conquest for capital
@GodlessMartyr666 If I'm not mistaken it was the Japanese who handed their weapons and trained the Vietnamese at the end of WWII while they still had the French in prison. Once that was done the French were released and for a short while the two agreed to work together. I'd have to go back to reread what exactly happened then, but I believe the French screwed the Vietnamese again and it became Frances colonial war to subjugate Indochine to Frances control.
you seem to be blind to the fact that none of the major powers associated with these wars installed their political systems prior to "arming" their respective parties and instigating one another to further the "conflict"... Communism and Capitalism did not exist in korea prior to the japanese being ousted because the japanese empire ruled the damn place. The ground work was layed FAR before a shot was even fired in anger. Why do you think japan wanted to take korea? STRATEGIC POSITIONING for WAR
@GodlessMartyr666 North Korea and South Korea did not come into existance until the end of WWII the Ruskies had entered the northern portion of the country and the US the southern. The boundries of control were established at the 38th paralel. The Ruskies inj the north supported a strict Stalinist state with a central government and strong military. A free south was supported by the US and was kept weak militarily to prevent war. No 'quest for war'.
@GodlessMartyr666 Neither Russia or the US instigated the north or south to war. Kim Il Song in the north wanted war to unite the country and originaly went to Stalin for support. Stalin said talk to Mao which Kim did, but didn't trust China so back to Stalin and Stalin eventualy said he would support but only with military equipment and not troops. Stalin didn't instigate the war. The US did not give heavy weapons to the south because the US did not want Rhee to go to war.
At the end we see communism crippled by the massive development and production effort of arms for export which ended up going un-used and never sold because the conflicts they were built to fight ended and new ones never began... Once the states realised the only way to cripple the reds was to quit fighting them and render their arms production useless, they pulled out of the fight against communism. Luckily the US economy fared better than the russian and chinese due to the auto and oil sectors
@GodlessMartyr666 Yes arms dealers do a great business around the world, no doubt. The US is its top seller. However, few wars have been started by countries using M-16s and F-15s. They almost always start with AK-47s and RPGs. There could be an argument made that the US sells responsibly while other countries sell to anyone. I believe Reagans 'star wars' program as well as a massive increase in the US military budget was was beyond what Russia could come to match.(1980)
@gerry301 the soviet invasion of afghanistan itself was no more than a futile attempt to continue the then decades old practice of starting false conflicts of interest to produce economic upturn via production of equipment. The problem was they chose muslim extremists as their opposing force. Extremists have no defined conventional force to do battle with, and therefore their capital driven CONQUEST failed miserably. This cost them far more than any arms race against the united states.
@GodlessMartyr666 They (Russia) fought against the Mujahadin. Who at the time were not considered extremists. After the Riskies left the country eventually fell into chaos until the Taliban were placed in control by Pakistan. The Taliban were considered extreme in their governence and harbored the then to become infamous Al Qeada. With its extreamist leader Elmer Fudd, better known to others as Osama bin Laden. (few people recognised Elmer Fudd with a wig and beard)
@gerry301 actually a mujahideen itself is a holy army in muslim terms and can refer to any number of militarised groups dating back to the middle ages... The afghan mujahideen were extremist muslims following osama bin laden ( their leader, being the financier and organiser ) and were fighting the minority communist DRA party inside afghanistan during the afghan civil crisis... another puppet regime installed by the USSR ... just like the capitalists in vietnam were installed by the US
@GodlessMartyr666 Osama and his band of merry goat fornacators were only one group of mujahadeen of many in Afganistan. The CIA supplied many groups, tribes, during that time but only Afgan nationals, so Osama never got aid from the CIA and had to finance his own. Osama was a leader only within his own group.
why do you think communism has been all but abandoned aside from a few minority satellites that still carry on the torch because they aren't capable of changing their entire system, as a giant country like russia or china can ( and have... ). Why do you think China resorted to capitalism , why do you think the USSR absolved itself? Because without a serious and ongoing ( profitable ) conflict, a communist society runs out of economic production capital and ceases to exist. The cold war killed it
@GodlessMartyr666 Your underlying premise is that 'arms sales' drive wars. I don't by it. Power grabs, as well as ensuring resources continue to be available. (such as oil), religious pressures, idological differences, as well as poverty and oppression are the main drivers of war. Both Vietnam and Korea were driven by idiological differences. WWII by power grabs, Libya by oppression, Iraq by resources/idiology, Afganistan by religious terrorists.
And if theres no war to fight, the wealthiest of us will always find other ways to manipulate global assets and political handlings to cause one. And in the space between you have major corporate infiltration in all sectors by the greedy bastards who profited off our last conflict of interest... aka conquest. Beleive me, since the end of the second world war the united states has been in a constant state of war, both with itself, and everyone unfortunate enough to require "military intervention"
I mean for christ sake man, what do you think the principle of divide and conquer instills? Capitalist, Communist, Socialist... They all amount to a central major super power funding interests in other countries via arms deals and military support through advisory. You fail to recognize in your response the facet of war that is business oriented,. American companies like general dynamics do not produce and sell equipment just for our own benefeit.. War itself is an economic catalyst for the USA.
the inheirant communist takeover was a direct result of thefact that communism itself is designed to divide and conquer, a trait shared with capitalism. The two sides were literally fighting to decide whether vietnam would stay western backed colonial or become a communist haven, which it did, and still is today. In the end the vietnamese people never truly got the free republic they desired. I doubt if they ever will... Indochina is far too valuable in terms of strategic location and resources.
@GodlessMartyr666 France fought for its former colony and the country was divided into the communist north and the free south. The US assisted the south in sending advisors to train, equip, and assist the south against the communist insurgency. It was not about general dynamics and pratt and whitney. If you need to put any blame on how Vietnam turned out, put the blame where it belongs. On the politicians, who voted, promoted, and ran.
@gerry301 we were talking about korea there, friend... but if you beleive the vietnam war was not also a conquest at the end of the day you're sadly mistaken. Just like Korea, Vietnam was an oppurtunity for the communist reds to stimulate arms sales and keep the economy afloat. As I said, a communist society relies on stimulation of satellite assets to sustain conflict and sell the only thing they truly produce(d) well. Cheap, reliable weapons , and the wars that require them. CONQUEST
@GodlessMartyr666 I have no doubt the Vietnam war stimulated arms production. North Vietnam had to rely almost 100% on weapons being shipped to the from the Soviet Union or China. Nor do I doubt it was a civil war as well. But it was the ideologies that drove the war, not weapons sales. It was the communist north against a free south. The French were gone and colonialism was not on the agenda. Communist "Conquest"? Perhaps it could be seen as another communist conquest.
@MrBojangles2020 do you really think the usa invaded vietnam because they didn't want a 'style of government' to spread ....your not really that stupid are you?
@tariqziyad actually it was a technical extension of the korean war, which yes, was manufactured. By the time the vietnam conflict was in full sway the US govt was actually scrambling to cap the conflict of interest commencing in vietnam.. The french colony was pro-american and the tungsten and nickel in vietnam was coming to the states cheap due to french colonial capitalism.. The vietnamese wanted freedom, it didn't have to be from communists or capitalists but they couldnt do it themselves...
@GodlessMartyr666 The Korean war was manufactured? The US wanted cheap tungston and nickel? I'm surprised you didn't mention the availability of rice as well.
@gerry301 when china is expanding into regions rife with resources the plan of attack was not just to sit down and let them take the country. If you choose to sit blind to the process that would necessitate a war to continue the growth of a communist economy then I have wasted my time even typing this comment. Korea was ruled by the japanese until the end of the second world war... If you can't see a commonality between super powers fighting for a "country" you need to re-take history.
@GodlessMartyr666 Yes the Japanese annexed Korea I believe in 1905. They also left at the end of WWII. The Chinese wanted to help Kim Il Song when he wanted to invade but Song didn't trust China and went to Stalin for support which he got. With Stalins support Kim invaded South Korea. How is that "manufactured?". I don't understand your analogy. Kim wanted to unite Korea by war the same as Sigh Man Rhee, but the US would not supply Rhee the weapons to do so.
@gerry301 look, why do you think the japs took korea to begin with? strategic positioning and expansion of the empire. This is what drives all war, it's never changed through history. Yes, korea was divided into opposing political factions supporting different forms of government once the japanese were removed, but what do you think that means for an arms dealing centred society like soviet russia, or red china? Communism itself can only thrive by installing satellite parties abroad...
@GodlessMartyr666 I agree japan annexed Korea for its strategic position and expansion of its empire. Wouldn't agree that it drives all wars , but some, yes. While Russia had much military equipment remaining from WWII, I 'm not sure I would say China was exactly an arms dealer at that time as much of their equipment was from the US as given to Chang Ki Sheck before he lost to Mao. (Yes, I'm just being a pain).
Attacks are not as effective. Enemy have mobile H.Q..
Evade maneuver cost too much valuable time on the offensive front.
War was lost due to the lopsided investment in offensive and the captured of the capitol and the state of head/military. Surrender of the core negate all the chances of the shells to become core.
@fanshixuan you Shutup you werent there. You should support our troops no matter why their fighting. I hate hippies like you. Go take some acid and Shutup.
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Wasn't part of the reason why Stalin sent his men to die for little gain was because he had such a large army he could afford these losses? Why is anyone arguing for Stalin as a military genius? The guy only got to where he was because he threw Trotsky under the bus. Sounds more douchebag than genius to me.
I've read a lot of these posts on here and all I've got to say is, unless you were there then shut the fuck up cause none of you know what you're talking about! I did 2 tours in Vietnam, first as an infantryman, and second as a door gunner! After the Tet offensive the Viet Cong weren't much of a threat to us. They were decimated.The North Vietnamese Army took over as the main force we had to deal with! So, get a life and go play soldier somewhere else, fuckheads!
You shouldn't even bother reading those comments.. They're mostly from underage kids comparing real wars to their call of duty video games.. I know I wasn't there, but I realize the world is more than mere black and white..
@Southsidestevec1 Alot of posters here are just 'trolls'.. people who post inflammatory messages just to provoke readers into an emotional response.. Youtube just isn't the place for intelligent conversation
I have absolutely no mercy or good will for communist Vietnamese, they are brutal, murderous, heinous evil bastards. The country is rotting from within. Vietnamese will suffer for many more generations in increasing numbers of deformed and maimed by UXO and justly slaughtered by the remnants of the war they started and refused to find a peaceful resolution with the South. Now Vietnam has to worry about its age old enemy, the Chinese, if we were still there they would not have to worry.
@masterfastblast Not all Vietnamese share those traits, and it's hardly fair to blanket an entire country with the traits of its leaders, and former leaders especially. That'd be like if I called all Americans fat, pompous, fanatic Protestants who seek only to profit off of the work of others. But that'd be incorrect, right?
look at the area that is ultimately the LZ. It looks like the moon from the 52 strikes. The village they attack, in vengeance for the lost Hueys, has probably long been vacated by the fighters that did the deed. The locals probs would have got shot by the VC if they had interfered, so they are damned either way. Same thing going on in 'stan. Documentaries show US troops under erratic small arms fire reacting with massive firepower. so sad and dishonourable. not just US, modern war in general.
There was Son My (My Lai) village (507 populations) in South Vietnam.
The Son My Massacre was the mass murder of 504 unarmed citizens, entirely civilians and some of them 183 women include pregnant women and 173 children include babies, conducted by The 23rd U.S. Army Infantry Division on March 16, 1968.
Many of the victims were sexually abused, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated.
@duffyman01 yes but its true and did anyone pay for this crime NO they all got medals and pat each other on the back on veterens day hope they all die slowly from cancer
@endracismguy idiot think about how much commusim killed they killed over 100 million people stalin killed 20 - 30 mil that one chinese guy Mao killed about 100 million
@endracismguy Really? You must be some kind of stupid that doesn't exsist commusim kills Innocent people and not only that the civilans are brainwashed from the real world
You can't even spell to exist and use stupid as a noun rather than an adjective, and call somebody else stupid?
Back to your videogames kid. The world isn't so black-and-white you think it is. There's always several parts of a story, and if you seriously think there's just one, then you're as gullable as those you critisize.
Brainwashed?? You mean like Fox News?
Read a few books and listen to different sources. Reality is not some Hollywood movie or videogame.
Stalin didn't kill 20 million, it was HItler that attacked his country and started WW2. Do you think Stalin personally ordered the German army to kill his own people? Sure some millions of Ukrainians starved to death in the bad harvests of the 30's, which more was due to innefficient farming and Stalin focusing his attention to building lots of weapons (which saved them in WW2), rather than feeding poor Ukranians.
Mao didn't kill 100 millions. China was poor long before Mao.
@McLarenMercedes Stalin sent people to labor and death camps on purpose. He was an inept military strategist that threw hundreds of thousands of lives away just for a bit more prestige on the battlefield. He was just as much of a monster as Hitler. Both were horrible men that exterminated people in their own nations. Just because Stalin helped the Allies in World War 2 seems to make it easier to forget this though.
@NinjaDude564 Stalin knew he was not a general that is why he tended to listen to his generals like Zhukov. Hitler thought he as the second coming of Napoleon and that he knew more about war than his generals and he ended up blowing his brains out in his bunker with the Russians outside his door.
@SupernautG While Stalin was more wise in the fact that he allowed his generals to still make the big decisions, he still made decisions affecting how is troops fought. And his input largely resulted in heavy casualties for little gain.
@SupernautG ..After effectively racking up sickening amounts of casualties in reckless assaults. Stalin was no military genius, or even a halfway decent general. Just because an idiot gets something done, doesn't mean he did it well.
@NinjaDude564 Who claims Stalin was a good general? He was good enough to win in a war where his army was an underdog and he was smart enough to lure Hitler into Stalingrad.
@SupernautG You said Stalin was the one that gained Berlin, and made it seem like that somehow offset the fact that he sent countless lives away for no reason. And his army was only the underdog because Stalin, once again, was a horrible leader. He purged many of his officers, and he didn't seem to take the hint that Hitler was going to invade when his army marched up to the border. And yeah, Stalin totally just lured Hitler there. There totally wasn't any reason other the Germans were attacking
@NinjaDude564 Stalin compared to Hitler was the better WAR LEADER. I don't know why you keep using "general" - for example Abraham Lincoln was not a general and he had bad generals that wasted lives on the battlefield but he found a general in Grant like Stalin found a general in Zhukov who knew how to win with the forces he had at hand. Grant was called a butcher in his day. In the end Grant took Lee's sword.
@SupernautG Fine, war leader. And he wasn't completely hands off like Lincoln. He still had a big part in directing the campaigns. Unlike Lincoln, Stalin was looking for glory and didn't care if he threw people into the meatgrinder to get it.
How many millions of Indians did you kill? Those who weren't forefully removed or killed, were put into reservations with little resources and had their children starv to death. Blankets with smallpox were also given to them. How many millions of blacks lived the slave life similar to the slave life jews lived under WW2 (with the difference they were gassed when they couldn't work anymore).
Btw, isn't 100 million a conveniently nice, round number for Mao? Not 57 or 73 million??
@jiffy138 it's interesting the rude and immature replies to my statement. I'm only stating facts and I have the upmost respect for the Vietnam Veterans from all sides whom served and died. I also have the upmost respect for Vietnam. We ( USA ) lost the War in Vietnam but only politically.
hahaha..america defeated against those idiot vietcong..the viet cong use booby traps hahaha..first time in history USA defeated by peasant vietnamese..MORE THAN 59,000 WHO DIED ON THAT BATTLE..FUCK
hahaha..america defeated against those idiot vietcong..the viet cong use booby traps hahaha..first time in history USA defeated by peasant vietnamese..MORE THAN 59,000 WHO DIED ON THAT BATTLE..
america sucks at insurgency warfare vietnam won afghistan is in the process of winning LOL who knew a military that spends 1 trillion a year could be bogged down against strong willed and minded people united...guess The People United Cannot Be Defeated is true...
Correction some of our soldiers and marines cared about them the politicians didn't. If they did they wouldn't of pulled out to let most of the south that stayed be slaughtered.
Incredible that a rag tag army of vietcong kids in pajamas killed 60,000 US soldiers in Vietnam, a military force that dropped countless tons of bombs on Vietnam.
Like Iraqi resistance fighters in the '00's, it's hard to defeat a people who are defending their homelands from foreign colonial aggressors.
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All governments are corrupt all the way down to the cities.... Look what happen in bell California, administrators making $800k a year to run a city of impoverished citizens......... Bravo bitches!!!
We're doing the same stupid shit Now in Iraq and afganistan ... No WMD's and kill another 6,000 Americans for what???? 2 !trillion of our tax dollars.... fakin brilliant Mr. Bush.... thanks for screwing us all
The Americans should have never implemented vietnamation,the a.r.v.n. were notorious bad fighters and would often ditch there guns in the 1st few minutes of a firefight,teacing those vietnamese idiots is like trying to get a dog to drive your car and pick up beer and cigerettes.1st cav kicked dink ass.Also the a.r.v.n. were so corrupted the v.c/n.v.a. knew about b-52 raids before they begun we should of had the a.r.v.n.on a need to know basis
PRO-COMMUNIST SENATOR "HANOI" JOHN KERRY SUPPORTS BRUTAL COMMUNIST VIETNAM BY KILLING VIETNAM HUMAN RIGHTS ACT IN THE SENATE.
He values dirty money and economic ties with communist Vietnam much more important than democracy and human rights values. Consequently, Vietnam has waged a new crackdown on democracy activists like Father Nguyen van Ly and lawyers Nguyen van Dai and Le thi Cong Nhan, who were given unfair, harsh sentences of several years in prison for their democracy activities.
Ho chi Minh, Vietnam's communist founder, is a disguting TRAITOR and MURDERER. He was a member of the Third Communist International established in 1919 by Lenin. He gave up Paracel & Spratly archipelagos with large oil resources to Red China. He even ordered to murder his own mistress named Nong thi Xuan when she threatened to disclose her sexual relationship with him since that would destroy his image as a "Father" of Vietnam who "sacrifices" his whole life for Vietnam revolution.
PRO-COMMUNIST SENATOR "HANOI" JOHN KERRY SUPPORTS BRUTAL COMMUNIST VIETNAM BY KILLING VIETNAM HUMAN RIGHTS ACT IN THE SENATE.
He values dirty money and economic ties with communist Vietnam much more than democracy and human rights values. Consequently, Vietnam has waged a new crackdown on democracy activists like Father Nguyen van Ly and lawyers Nguyen van Dai and Le thi Cong Nhan, who were given unfair, harsh sentences of several years in prison for their democracy activities.
@santiagomauricio I was there asshole. Not one single US military unit surrendered to the enemy during the entire war. We left only after the peace was signed by the North. We had no troops in country when the North broke their agreements and attacked the South with the help of China and Soviet Union, that is the only disgrace that I know of. we slaughtered their asses and fucked their country up properly, yeah we won.
@masterfastblast Hei Dickhead.How r u ?? Have u been there ?? Why didin't they u motherfucker ??
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Of course we didnt surrender, because we were busy running away. Dont be one of those dumbasses that say we never lost a battle. We lost plenty of battles in vietnam. A plattoon would get tore up then they'd fall back and let the airforce destroy the area. Retreating is not victory. And winning is not about fucking the country you're trying to help. You are an uneducated piece of shit.
Ho chi Minh, Vietnam's communist founder, is a disguting TRAITOR and MURDERER. He was a member of the Third Communist International established in 1919 by Lenin. He gave up Paracel & Spratly archipelagos with large oil resources to China. He even ordered to murder his own mistress named Nong thi Xuan when she threatened to disclose her sexual relationship with him since that would destroy his image as a "Father" of Vietnam who "sacrifices" his whole life for Vietnam revolution.
@xsabrewolf The Vietnamese lost Vietnam. The US won the cold war which Vietnam was only a part. We crushed Soviet world expansionism and we had the pleasure of killing 4.5 million NVA/VC that still lie in mass unmarked graves, millions of angry ghosts roam Vietnam, angry at the communist lies that killed them.
@masterfastblast Yanks are the most impudent people in the world.Big mouth did not help them to avoid humiliated loss in Vietnam.This loss will hurt them for next 1000 years
@masterfastblast common man stop to talk shit according with deferents US Estimates the from VC / NVA Killed between 1954-75 is 720k+ no 4,5 millions ARVN killed (if you know what is that) are about 341k Americans and Other US Allied (South Korea, Philippines,Australia, Thailand, New Zealand) is 64k.
But NVN aircraft loses According with the Americans are 196 aircraft --- U.S aircraft losses are more than 8500 aircraft according with the Americans too.
There was a time when the US supported Ho Chi Minh. The US told the Vietnamese leadership that the US would not support a communist Vietnam in the mid 40's. Ho was always a communist since his help in the 20's founding the French Communist Party. Ho's work was always based upon Marxist/Leninism.
and with a racist approach, some people just dont realize how much they are making things worst. Using agent orange was a racist approach, as no one can imagine that a country can sustain a normal life with its soil poisonned, just like salt was used thousands of years ago to attempt to destroy entire civilizations. The amazing thing is that even Kissinger recognizes the Vietnam war was useless. It didnt really have a point, but fed millions to the US arm industry.
and with a racist approach, some people just dont realize how much they are making things worst. Using agent orange was a racist approach, as no one can imagine that a country can sustain a normal life with its soil poisonned, just like salt was used thousands of years ago to attempt to destroy entire civilizations. The amazing thing is that even Kissinger recognizes the Vietnam war was useless. It didnt really have a point, but fed millions to the US arm industry.
Why are the stupid Vietnamese still whinning about the war that the US was involved for such a short while. Vietnamese have been fighting for the better part of th 20th Century. US troops were only involved from 1965-73. Poor Vietnam is a poisoned shithole, most people in the countryside still live on ratmeat and rice, bugs, snakes. There is a constant danger of death by unexploded ordinance. Every year untold thousands and millions are born genes deformed from the toxicicity of the food chain.
Rudedan and His Ilk forget the lessons of history or either they refuse or believe in lies. Communist ideology was and is Imperialistic, Communism demanded the conquest of the entire world or else communism would fail. Why can't idiots like rudedan aquaint themselves with what Soviet Union, the Comintern and the Internationale was up to. Ho Chi Minh was first and foremost a Soviet agent. He became a Soviet citizen in 1926 and trained in Moscow until 1935 to wage his part of the communist war.
The claim you make has been forwarded by many cold warriors, but archives released from the Soviet Union have revealed that their government had no master plan for worldwide expansion. The Vietnam War pitted us against a national liberation movement who wanted aid from the Soviets, not communist agents.
Ho Chi Minh became a Soviet citizen in 1925. He studied in Moscow for revolution and communist ideology until 1930 when he became a member of the Soviet Comintern and the 3rd Internationale which has very specific stratregies of turning all 3rd world countries communists removing many resources from the West, When that was completed the plan was for Soviet conquest of the West. North Vietnam was structured on the Soviet model economic system, military system and economic planning.
Do you have an legitimate sources for all of your claims about a specific plan for communism to conquer the world? Because every academic source I've ever read says that's bullshit.
@RudeDan Yes, read the 3rd Internationale or the Comintern if you can find it. HoChiMinh was part of the overall plan. Do you really think you are going to get the skinny from KGB or FSB? Doubt it!
Soviet government documents show only the USSR trying to sustain itself and exert its influence in satellite states, even less so than the United States, which had bases and men all over the world without the peoples' consent.
Soviet government documents show only the USSR trying to sustain itself and exert its influence in satellite states, even less so than the United States, which had bases and men all over the world without the peoples' consent.
Soviet government documents show only the USSR trying to sustain itself and exert its influence in satellite states, even less so than the United States, which had bases and men all over the world without the peoples' consent.
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ty0027 6 hours ago
and it serves not the richest of people ( who run those countries, truly ) justly, to run their assets into the ground without adequate return... The recipe for communism is spread, divide, conquer, repeat... they take a country by means of instilling their ideology and starting small sects and political parties. Since korea and vietnam were not stable civily to begin with ( occupied ) dividing them was not hard. they conquered ( in the case of vietnam ) and tryed to repeat ( afghanistan )...
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 I think Ho was communist from his early years, but may have been open to other ideas as well. He took his country down the road to communism, much as Mao did. Outside influences took place only within the realm of their personal conflicts. The support and aid that came was only a result of their success in persueding other countries to support their cause. Not outside countries instigating war so they could sell arms.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
The basic rule of thumb to follow is no country , capitalist , communist or otherwise would undertake a conflict in a satellite nation unless it served them justly to do so. And supporting a communist republic in my opinion would not convince the people backing the party running the super nation ( russia ) to go to war over. Not when the economy relies on the upholding of a divine balance between upkeep of interests abroad and control of internal dissent (communist populations are rarely happy).
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 And why not? The Soviet Union backed the North Vietnamese? As long as the Soviet Union had control over its people and internal dessent, they could do whatever pleased them. Happiness depends often on who you were before the revolution. The serf may have felt he gained something.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
and unfortunately for a communist super power like russia, they needed war to survive. The whole point of communism is there is basically no private sector... the govt and therefore country itself rely on production of goods, as any country does. Now, since russia is incapable of producing almost anything worth purchasing other than arms , equipment and their main export ( the communism )... You can see why they were implanting themselves into small conflicts allover the eastern hemisphere...
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 You are driving the arms production to survive as the reason for the wars. It just was not the case. Once people understood that communist 'equality' meant every one was equaly poor except those who were more equal, it collapsed. It had no future, and the people were little better off than before. After years of watching the west get rich and richer, and the advent of the internet, cell phones etc. Communism is falling apart.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
As I already said, the conflicts themselves WERE NOT STARTED by the super nations involved. They ( korea, vietnam ) are referred to as satellites which were infiltrated by their respective politicos prior to their intentional inflammation of the conflicts therein... Russia specifically chose the nations whose population were most likely to be involved in an internal dispute and eventual de-stabilisation... hence countries already occupied, on the verge of social collapse... It's pure conquest...
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 It was idiology that drove the clash. If I was a serf in Russia, Korea, or Vietnam who was oppressed and living in poverty I probobly would have joined the communists. Capitalism and democracy would not have made sense to me being uneducated and poor. So yes, I suppose the Ruskies determined where their system would be most popular and tried to impliment it. The west at the same time was very fearful of the communist revolution.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 I understand the term proxy war. And it could be used in Korea and Vietnam as well as Afganistan under the Ruskies. But that was not the reason for the wars.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
I am not trying to say the civil aspect of the countries being fought over ( korea, vietnam ) was not in turmoil of their own, but this was a pre cursor to far more than just civil war in southeast asia... Once the french were pushed out of vietnam by commis funded and trained by the reds ( china , and small groups of russian advisors ) it was available , fertile ground to breed a major war over. The united states interest in these conflicts was purely monetarily based. True conquest for capital
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 If I'm not mistaken it was the Japanese who handed their weapons and trained the Vietnamese at the end of WWII while they still had the French in prison. Once that was done the French were released and for a short while the two agreed to work together. I'd have to go back to reread what exactly happened then, but I believe the French screwed the Vietnamese again and it became Frances colonial war to subjugate Indochine to Frances control.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
you seem to be blind to the fact that none of the major powers associated with these wars installed their political systems prior to "arming" their respective parties and instigating one another to further the "conflict"... Communism and Capitalism did not exist in korea prior to the japanese being ousted because the japanese empire ruled the damn place. The ground work was layed FAR before a shot was even fired in anger. Why do you think japan wanted to take korea? STRATEGIC POSITIONING for WAR
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 North Korea and South Korea did not come into existance until the end of WWII the Ruskies had entered the northern portion of the country and the US the southern. The boundries of control were established at the 38th paralel. The Ruskies inj the north supported a strict Stalinist state with a central government and strong military. A free south was supported by the US and was kept weak militarily to prevent war. No 'quest for war'.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 Neither Russia or the US instigated the north or south to war. Kim Il Song in the north wanted war to unite the country and originaly went to Stalin for support. Stalin said talk to Mao which Kim did, but didn't trust China so back to Stalin and Stalin eventualy said he would support but only with military equipment and not troops. Stalin didn't instigate the war. The US did not give heavy weapons to the south because the US did not want Rhee to go to war.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
At the end we see communism crippled by the massive development and production effort of arms for export which ended up going un-used and never sold because the conflicts they were built to fight ended and new ones never began... Once the states realised the only way to cripple the reds was to quit fighting them and render their arms production useless, they pulled out of the fight against communism. Luckily the US economy fared better than the russian and chinese due to the auto and oil sectors
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 Yes arms dealers do a great business around the world, no doubt. The US is its top seller. However, few wars have been started by countries using M-16s and F-15s. They almost always start with AK-47s and RPGs. There could be an argument made that the US sells responsibly while other countries sell to anyone. I believe Reagans 'star wars' program as well as a massive increase in the US military budget was was beyond what Russia could come to match.(1980)
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@gerry301 the soviet invasion of afghanistan itself was no more than a futile attempt to continue the then decades old practice of starting false conflicts of interest to produce economic upturn via production of equipment. The problem was they chose muslim extremists as their opposing force. Extremists have no defined conventional force to do battle with, and therefore their capital driven CONQUEST failed miserably. This cost them far more than any arms race against the united states.
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 They (Russia) fought against the Mujahadin. Who at the time were not considered extremists. After the Riskies left the country eventually fell into chaos until the Taliban were placed in control by Pakistan. The Taliban were considered extreme in their governence and harbored the then to become infamous Al Qeada. With its extreamist leader Elmer Fudd, better known to others as Osama bin Laden. (few people recognised Elmer Fudd with a wig and beard)
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@gerry301 actually a mujahideen itself is a holy army in muslim terms and can refer to any number of militarised groups dating back to the middle ages... The afghan mujahideen were extremist muslims following osama bin laden ( their leader, being the financier and organiser ) and were fighting the minority communist DRA party inside afghanistan during the afghan civil crisis... another puppet regime installed by the USSR ... just like the capitalists in vietnam were installed by the US
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 Osama and his band of merry goat fornacators were only one group of mujahadeen of many in Afganistan. The CIA supplied many groups, tribes, during that time but only Afgan nationals, so Osama never got aid from the CIA and had to finance his own. Osama was a leader only within his own group.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
why do you think communism has been all but abandoned aside from a few minority satellites that still carry on the torch because they aren't capable of changing their entire system, as a giant country like russia or china can ( and have... ). Why do you think China resorted to capitalism , why do you think the USSR absolved itself? Because without a serious and ongoing ( profitable ) conflict, a communist society runs out of economic production capital and ceases to exist. The cold war killed it
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 Your underlying premise is that 'arms sales' drive wars. I don't by it. Power grabs, as well as ensuring resources continue to be available. (such as oil), religious pressures, idological differences, as well as poverty and oppression are the main drivers of war. Both Vietnam and Korea were driven by idiological differences. WWII by power grabs, Libya by oppression, Iraq by resources/idiology, Afganistan by religious terrorists.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
And if theres no war to fight, the wealthiest of us will always find other ways to manipulate global assets and political handlings to cause one. And in the space between you have major corporate infiltration in all sectors by the greedy bastards who profited off our last conflict of interest... aka conquest. Beleive me, since the end of the second world war the united states has been in a constant state of war, both with itself, and everyone unfortunate enough to require "military intervention"
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
I mean for christ sake man, what do you think the principle of divide and conquer instills? Capitalist, Communist, Socialist... They all amount to a central major super power funding interests in other countries via arms deals and military support through advisory. You fail to recognize in your response the facet of war that is business oriented,. American companies like general dynamics do not produce and sell equipment just for our own benefeit.. War itself is an economic catalyst for the USA.
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
the inheirant communist takeover was a direct result of thefact that communism itself is designed to divide and conquer, a trait shared with capitalism. The two sides were literally fighting to decide whether vietnam would stay western backed colonial or become a communist haven, which it did, and still is today. In the end the vietnamese people never truly got the free republic they desired. I doubt if they ever will... Indochina is far too valuable in terms of strategic location and resources.
GodlessMartyr666 4 months ago
@GodlessMartyr666 France fought for its former colony and the country was divided into the communist north and the free south. The US assisted the south in sending advisors to train, equip, and assist the south against the communist insurgency. It was not about general dynamics and pratt and whitney. If you need to put any blame on how Vietnam turned out, put the blame where it belongs. On the politicians, who voted, promoted, and ran.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@gerry301 we were talking about korea there, friend... but if you beleive the vietnam war was not also a conquest at the end of the day you're sadly mistaken. Just like Korea, Vietnam was an oppurtunity for the communist reds to stimulate arms sales and keep the economy afloat. As I said, a communist society relies on stimulation of satellite assets to sustain conflict and sell the only thing they truly produce(d) well. Cheap, reliable weapons , and the wars that require them. CONQUEST
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 I have no doubt the Vietnam war stimulated arms production. North Vietnam had to rely almost 100% on weapons being shipped to the from the Soviet Union or China. Nor do I doubt it was a civil war as well. But it was the ideologies that drove the war, not weapons sales. It was the communist north against a free south. The French were gone and colonialism was not on the agenda. Communist "Conquest"? Perhaps it could be seen as another communist conquest.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
we won the death toll by far killing massive dinks,but we lost the objective which was to keep communism from spreading,especially to the south..
MrBojangles2020 5 months ago
@MrBojangles2020 do you really think the usa invaded vietnam because they didn't want a 'style of government' to spread ....your not really that stupid are you?
tariqziyad 5 months ago
@tariqziyad actually it was a technical extension of the korean war, which yes, was manufactured. By the time the vietnam conflict was in full sway the US govt was actually scrambling to cap the conflict of interest commencing in vietnam.. The french colony was pro-american and the tungsten and nickel in vietnam was coming to the states cheap due to french colonial capitalism.. The vietnamese wanted freedom, it didn't have to be from communists or capitalists but they couldnt do it themselves...
GodlessMartyr666 4 months ago
@GodlessMartyr666 The Korean war was manufactured? The US wanted cheap tungston and nickel? I'm surprised you didn't mention the availability of rice as well.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@gerry301 when china is expanding into regions rife with resources the plan of attack was not just to sit down and let them take the country. If you choose to sit blind to the process that would necessitate a war to continue the growth of a communist economy then I have wasted my time even typing this comment. Korea was ruled by the japanese until the end of the second world war... If you can't see a commonality between super powers fighting for a "country" you need to re-take history.
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 Yes the Japanese annexed Korea I believe in 1905. They also left at the end of WWII. The Chinese wanted to help Kim Il Song when he wanted to invade but Song didn't trust China and went to Stalin for support which he got. With Stalins support Kim invaded South Korea. How is that "manufactured?". I don't understand your analogy. Kim wanted to unite Korea by war the same as Sigh Man Rhee, but the US would not supply Rhee the weapons to do so.
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@gerry301 look, why do you think the japs took korea to begin with? strategic positioning and expansion of the empire. This is what drives all war, it's never changed through history. Yes, korea was divided into opposing political factions supporting different forms of government once the japanese were removed, but what do you think that means for an arms dealing centred society like soviet russia, or red china? Communism itself can only thrive by installing satellite parties abroad...
GodlessMartyr666 2 weeks ago
@GodlessMartyr666 I agree japan annexed Korea for its strategic position and expansion of its empire. Wouldn't agree that it drives all wars , but some, yes. While Russia had much military equipment remaining from WWII, I 'm not sure I would say China was exactly an arms dealer at that time as much of their equipment was from the US as given to Chang Ki Sheck before he lost to Mao. (Yes, I'm just being a pain).
gerry301 2 weeks ago
@fanshixuan What is a congener?
alanheath3 6 months ago
It's Nui Peak camp? :D
d1122121 6 months ago
No haircut, no weapon. LMAO
scottg4520 6 months ago
Attacks are not as effective. Enemy have mobile H.Q..
Evade maneuver cost too much valuable time on the offensive front.
War was lost due to the lopsided investment in offensive and the captured of the capitol and the state of head/military. Surrender of the core negate all the chances of the shells to become core.
That what I think and concluded on this war.
UnitedPebbles 6 months ago
@fanshixuan you Shutup you werent there. You should support our troops no matter why their fighting. I hate hippies like you. Go take some acid and Shutup.
lawsonamped 6 months ago
@lawsonamped Actually, he ain't no commie, he's a fucking commie.
MusicLover11325 6 months ago
So Tom Berenger really was there: 2:15 lol
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Moneys527 7 months ago
I thought this was a site discussing the Vietnam War not WW2.If you people want to talk about stalin and hitler go to the WW2 site.
18tangles 7 months ago
Stalin was a gay Russian faggot!
latinluigi 8 months ago
Wasn't part of the reason why Stalin sent his men to die for little gain was because he had such a large army he could afford these losses? Why is anyone arguing for Stalin as a military genius? The guy only got to where he was because he threw Trotsky under the bus. Sounds more douchebag than genius to me.
UHandsomeDevil 8 months ago
I've read a lot of these posts on here and all I've got to say is, unless you were there then shut the fuck up cause none of you know what you're talking about! I did 2 tours in Vietnam, first as an infantryman, and second as a door gunner! After the Tet offensive the Viet Cong weren't much of a threat to us. They were decimated.The North Vietnamese Army took over as the main force we had to deal with! So, get a life and go play soldier somewhere else, fuckheads!
Southsidestevec1 8 months ago 2
@Southsidestevec1
You shouldn't even bother reading those comments.. They're mostly from underage kids comparing real wars to their call of duty video games.. I know I wasn't there, but I realize the world is more than mere black and white..
JortBBB 7 months ago
@Southsidestevec1 Alot of posters here are just 'trolls'.. people who post inflammatory messages just to provoke readers into an emotional response.. Youtube just isn't the place for intelligent conversation
JortBBB 7 months ago
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so called gooks were actually 12 year old girls that kicked americas ass and sent them packing back home in pine boxes lol
endracismguy 9 months ago
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why is everybody talking about stalin...?
s11033 9 months ago
better say attack on civilians village!
samanrostamimonjezi 9 months ago
really scary
hoangtungdn 9 months ago
I have absolutely no mercy or good will for communist Vietnamese, they are brutal, murderous, heinous evil bastards. The country is rotting from within. Vietnamese will suffer for many more generations in increasing numbers of deformed and maimed by UXO and justly slaughtered by the remnants of the war they started and refused to find a peaceful resolution with the South. Now Vietnam has to worry about its age old enemy, the Chinese, if we were still there they would not have to worry.
masterfastblast 10 months ago
@masterfastblast Being communist makes people evil. Fact.
duffyman01 10 months ago
@masterfastblast Not all Vietnamese share those traits, and it's hardly fair to blanket an entire country with the traits of its leaders, and former leaders especially. That'd be like if I called all Americans fat, pompous, fanatic Protestants who seek only to profit off of the work of others. But that'd be incorrect, right?
NinjaDude564 10 months ago
As said in the movie Platoon, "The only good gook is a dead gook"
eagle2fla 11 months ago
Ah zis is sooo goood to hear proper english from a french :((((
vincent7520 11 months ago
deep
specops24th 11 months ago
look at the area that is ultimately the LZ. It looks like the moon from the 52 strikes. The village they attack, in vengeance for the lost Hueys, has probably long been vacated by the fighters that did the deed. The locals probs would have got shot by the VC if they had interfered, so they are damned either way. Same thing going on in 'stan. Documentaries show US troops under erratic small arms fire reacting with massive firepower. so sad and dishonourable. not just US, modern war in general.
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bsamusement 1 year ago
Thanks to Kubrick I suggest very few people are able to see a door gunner in action and not think to themselves..
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gnark1ll1us 1 year ago
young men fighting old mens wars,.... same shit diff decade.
mrsmelzbad 1 year ago
the hell...
guillermola 1 year ago
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There was Son My (My Lai) village (507 populations) in South Vietnam.
The Son My Massacre was the mass murder of 504 unarmed citizens, entirely civilians and some of them 183 women include pregnant women and 173 children include babies, conducted by The 23rd U.S. Army Infantry Division on March 16, 1968.
Many of the victims were sexually abused, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated.
endracismguy 1 year ago
@endracismguy That shit sucks...
duffyman01 1 year ago
@duffyman01 yes but its true and did anyone pay for this crime NO they all got medals and pat each other on the back on veterens day hope they all die slowly from cancer
endracismguy 1 year ago
@endracismguy
i'd expect such a stupid fucking comment from somebody with the name "endracismguy"
smokeythebear13 1 year ago
@smokeythebear13 same goes for smokeythe bear lol
endracismguy 1 year ago
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@endracismguy it's better dead than to be red
trevorjohn9 11 months ago
@endracismguy idiot think about how much commusim killed they killed over 100 million people stalin killed 20 - 30 mil that one chinese guy Mao killed about 100 million
trevorjohn9 11 months ago
@trevorjohn9 so you think more deaths will make everything peechy keen huh especially innocent villagers
endracismguy 11 months ago
@endracismguy Really? You must be some kind of stupid that doesn't exsist commusim kills Innocent people and not only that the civilans are brainwashed from the real world
trevorjohn9 11 months ago
@trevorjohn9
You can't even spell to exist and use stupid as a noun rather than an adjective, and call somebody else stupid?
Back to your videogames kid. The world isn't so black-and-white you think it is. There's always several parts of a story, and if you seriously think there's just one, then you're as gullable as those you critisize.
Brainwashed?? You mean like Fox News?
Read a few books and listen to different sources. Reality is not some Hollywood movie or videogame.
McLarenMercedes 11 months ago
@trevorjohn9
Stalin didn't kill 20 million, it was HItler that attacked his country and started WW2. Do you think Stalin personally ordered the German army to kill his own people? Sure some millions of Ukrainians starved to death in the bad harvests of the 30's, which more was due to innefficient farming and Stalin focusing his attention to building lots of weapons (which saved them in WW2), rather than feeding poor Ukranians.
Mao didn't kill 100 millions. China was poor long before Mao.
McLarenMercedes 11 months ago
@McLarenMercedes Stalin sent people to labor and death camps on purpose. He was an inept military strategist that threw hundreds of thousands of lives away just for a bit more prestige on the battlefield. He was just as much of a monster as Hitler. Both were horrible men that exterminated people in their own nations. Just because Stalin helped the Allies in World War 2 seems to make it easier to forget this though.
NinjaDude564 10 months ago
@NinjaDude564 Stalin knew he was not a general that is why he tended to listen to his generals like Zhukov. Hitler thought he as the second coming of Napoleon and that he knew more about war than his generals and he ended up blowing his brains out in his bunker with the Russians outside his door.
SupernautG 9 months ago
@SupernautG While Stalin was more wise in the fact that he allowed his generals to still make the big decisions, he still made decisions affecting how is troops fought. And his input largely resulted in heavy casualties for little gain.
NinjaDude564 9 months ago
@NinjaDude564 "Little gain"? Stalin gained Berlin and Hitler's corpse and the corpses of 80% of the vaunted Nazi war machine.
SupernautG 9 months ago
@SupernautG ..After effectively racking up sickening amounts of casualties in reckless assaults. Stalin was no military genius, or even a halfway decent general. Just because an idiot gets something done, doesn't mean he did it well.
NinjaDude564 9 months ago
@NinjaDude564 Who claims Stalin was a good general? He was good enough to win in a war where his army was an underdog and he was smart enough to lure Hitler into Stalingrad.
SupernautG 9 months ago
@SupernautG You said Stalin was the one that gained Berlin, and made it seem like that somehow offset the fact that he sent countless lives away for no reason. And his army was only the underdog because Stalin, once again, was a horrible leader. He purged many of his officers, and he didn't seem to take the hint that Hitler was going to invade when his army marched up to the border. And yeah, Stalin totally just lured Hitler there. There totally wasn't any reason other the Germans were attacking
NinjaDude564 9 months ago
@NinjaDude564 Stalin compared to Hitler was the better WAR LEADER. I don't know why you keep using "general" - for example Abraham Lincoln was not a general and he had bad generals that wasted lives on the battlefield but he found a general in Grant like Stalin found a general in Zhukov who knew how to win with the forces he had at hand. Grant was called a butcher in his day. In the end Grant took Lee's sword.
SupernautG 9 months ago
@SupernautG Fine, war leader. And he wasn't completely hands off like Lincoln. He still had a big part in directing the campaigns. Unlike Lincoln, Stalin was looking for glory and didn't care if he threw people into the meatgrinder to get it.
NinjaDude564 9 months ago
@trevorjohn9
How many millions of Indians did you kill? Those who weren't forefully removed or killed, were put into reservations with little resources and had their children starv to death. Blankets with smallpox were also given to them. How many millions of blacks lived the slave life similar to the slave life jews lived under WW2 (with the difference they were gassed when they couldn't work anymore).
Btw, isn't 100 million a conveniently nice, round number for Mao? Not 57 or 73 million??
McLarenMercedes 11 months ago
@trevorjohn9 That one Chinese guy Mao. Just. Wow.
NinjaDude564 10 months ago
@NinjaDude564 some douchebag in the comments named, NinjaDude654 Just, Wow.
trevorjohn9 10 months ago
@trevorjohn9 Nice comeback asshat. Learn to actually form coherent statements.
NinjaDude564 10 months ago
@NinjaDude564 Lol, nobody cares. Fail troll is fail.
trevorjohn9 10 months ago
@trevorjohn9 You do enough to reply. And apparently you don't even know what a troll is.
NinjaDude564 10 months ago
This is wrong.
Ca. 58000 US Soldiers KIA or MIA
Ca. 3000000 NVA or VC KIA or MIA
Ca. 250000 ARVN KIA or MIA
And ca. 3000000 civilian victims
Jaegersmann09 1 year ago
@ 3 million dead....includes women and babies
jiffy138 1 year ago
@ boatstaylor u lost that war idiot
jiffy138 1 year ago
@jiffy138 it's interesting the rude and immature replies to my statement. I'm only stating facts and I have the upmost respect for the Vietnam Veterans from all sides whom served and died. I also have the upmost respect for Vietnam. We ( USA ) lost the War in Vietnam but only politically.
boatstaylor 1 year ago
hahaha..america defeated against those idiot vietcong..the viet cong use booby traps hahaha..first time in history USA defeated by peasant vietnamese..MORE THAN 59,000 WHO DIED ON THAT BATTLE..FUCK
silentkiller9988 1 year ago
@silentkiller9988
America Defeted?
78.000 americans soldiers dead vs 3.000.000 vietcong dead
and you call this defeat?
MrCommunion 1 year ago
hahaha..america defeated against those idiot vietcong..the viet cong use booby traps hahaha..first time in history USA defeated by peasant vietnamese..MORE THAN 59,000 WHO DIED ON THAT BATTLE..
silentkiller9988 1 year ago
the USA won every battle during the Vietnam War
boatstaylor 1 year ago 2
@boatstaylor yet they lost the entire war rofl :P
OUTLAW767 1 year ago
@boatstaylor wrong lol
notmysteezhomie 1 year ago
@notmysteezhomie What battles were lost in the war?
devdan2000 1 year ago
@boatstaylor : yea but they lost the WAR
FanZinGD 1 year ago
@FanZinGD So did the south vietnamese people whom were slaughtered after the US Military and other nations pulled out.
boatstaylor 1 year ago
@boatstaylor i dont mean this sarcastic, just a qeustion... what happend in hue city? they won that won too?
PWNarmored 1 year ago
this is war, Iraq and afghanistan are easy compared to this.
jw16e4 1 year ago
america sucks at insurgency warfare vietnam won afghistan is in the process of winning LOL who knew a military that spends 1 trillion a year could be bogged down against strong willed and minded people united...guess The People United Cannot Be Defeated is true...
1988scottcarey 1 year ago
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P0SSUMKING 1 year ago
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P0SSUMKING 1 year ago
Is that the same commander who wrote We Were Soldiers?
CineRecon 1 year ago
Sad.
minkuukel 1 year ago
Correction some of our soldiers and marines cared about them the politicians didn't. If they did they wouldn't of pulled out to let most of the south that stayed be slaughtered.
67DieHardPatriot454 1 year ago
Why Americans do not say NO to the economic interests of the Jews from your country?
You've had enough to release them at the 2nd World War?
The Jews say oh my God, the Communists are the devil!
And put it on television, radio and films.
And thousands of American kids come running to a tropical jungle, she did the devil to save the world.
They return home to thousands inside coffins.
helcio1960 1 year ago
The Jews go back to TV, radio and movies oh my God saying Muslims are the reincarnation of Lucifer!
And yet again the American kids go to the front.
Who is taking profits from Iraq's oil?
Who is taking profit on the African diamonds?
The answer we all know
helcio1960 1 year ago
Incredible that a rag tag army of vietcong kids in pajamas killed 60,000 US soldiers in Vietnam, a military force that dropped countless tons of bombs on Vietnam.
Like Iraqi resistance fighters in the '00's, it's hard to defeat a people who are defending their homelands from foreign colonial aggressors.
tommybass40 1 year ago
@tommybass40 you've understand it all !!
gauloiscalifornien 1 year ago
i need VC girls now,..xxx,,,,, by the way the hystory cannot be change, in that war whoever won we loseee, pleaze keep peace world peoples
agusjoko02002 1 year ago
fucking VC
CROATIANNAZIFORCE 1 year ago
@CROATIANNAZIFORCE fuck you to croatia who killed thousands moslem bosnian, i hope god will punish your country next day, crime war..
agusjoko02002 1 year ago
@agusjoko02002 listen u stupid fuck , croats not kill thousand moslem ib bosnia , SERBS do that , u stupid fuck face , croatian are under attack by serbs also ! P.S go and fuck ur mother stupid imbecil
CROATIANNAZIFORCE 1 year ago
@CROATIANNAZIFORCE your name says it all !!REMENBER WW2 and the NAZI CROATIANS killing other ,it is just revenge...
gauloiscalifornien 1 year ago
@gauloiscalifornien 88 to u
CROATIANNAZIFORCE 1 year ago
Wow. This is pretty awesome. Thanks for posting.
axelandstuefreed 1 year ago
All governments are corrupt all the way down to the cities.... Look what happen in bell California, administrators making $800k a year to run a city of impoverished citizens......... Bravo bitches!!!
morloff 1 year ago
We're doing the same stupid shit Now in Iraq and afganistan ... No WMD's and kill another 6,000 Americans for what???? 2 !trillion of our tax dollars.... fakin brilliant Mr. Bush.... thanks for screwing us all
morloff 1 year ago
The Americans should have never implemented vietnamation,the a.r.v.n. were notorious bad fighters and would often ditch there guns in the 1st few minutes of a firefight,teacing those vietnamese idiots is like trying to get a dog to drive your car and pick up beer and cigerettes.1st cav kicked dink ass.Also the a.r.v.n. were so corrupted the v.c/n.v.a. knew about b-52 raids before they begun we should of had the a.r.v.n.on a need to know basis
TheRalphus666 1 year ago
Still i want eat a vietnamese haha
hummlan1 1 year ago
The real heroes of Vietnam were the draft dodgers.
MrFLICKYOLI 1 year ago
must been horrible time
BacheKhala 1 year ago
Communists are nothing but stinking rats. Live free or die !
Chris6134 1 year ago
@Chris6134 Thats New Hampshire's motto
LittleVinnyCock 1 year ago
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PRO-COMMUNIST SENATOR "HANOI" JOHN KERRY SUPPORTS BRUTAL COMMUNIST VIETNAM BY KILLING VIETNAM HUMAN RIGHTS ACT IN THE SENATE.
He values dirty money and economic ties with communist Vietnam much more important than democracy and human rights values. Consequently, Vietnam has waged a new crackdown on democracy activists like Father Nguyen van Ly and lawyers Nguyen van Dai and Le thi Cong Nhan, who were given unfair, harsh sentences of several years in prison for their democracy activities.
tim666661 1 year ago
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Ho chi Minh, Vietnam's communist founder, is a disguting TRAITOR and MURDERER. He was a member of the Third Communist International established in 1919 by Lenin. He gave up Paracel & Spratly archipelagos with large oil resources to Red China. He even ordered to murder his own mistress named Nong thi Xuan when she threatened to disclose her sexual relationship with him since that would destroy his image as a "Father" of Vietnam who "sacrifices" his whole life for Vietnam revolution.
tim666661 1 year ago
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PRO-COMMUNIST SENATOR "HANOI" JOHN KERRY SUPPORTS BRUTAL COMMUNIST VIETNAM BY KILLING VIETNAM HUMAN RIGHTS ACT IN THE SENATE.
He values dirty money and economic ties with communist Vietnam much more than democracy and human rights values. Consequently, Vietnam has waged a new crackdown on democracy activists like Father Nguyen van Ly and lawyers Nguyen van Dai and Le thi Cong Nhan, who were given unfair, harsh sentences of several years in prison for their democracy activities.
tim666661 1 year ago
USA was whoped, and ran fou their lives, there no doubt about that !!!
All the world loved it !!
santiagomauricio 1 year ago
@santiagomauricio You believe in the tooth fairy too I bet. hahahaha You are an idiot,
masterfastblast 1 year ago
@masterfastblast No, i don't. But i live in the streets of brazil (not inside a flat playing videogame like u).
U r cowards, just with bombs and etc.....
Do u really think the USA won that war ?? Come on.....try to change the image that americans are the most nerd idiot and ignorant people in the world.
I bet u r a teen faggot !! Niggas r taking control of America (and i like that - maybe it makes u become less idiots)
santiagomauricio 1 year ago
@santiagomauricio I was there asshole. Not one single US military unit surrendered to the enemy during the entire war. We left only after the peace was signed by the North. We had no troops in country when the North broke their agreements and attacked the South with the help of China and Soviet Union, that is the only disgrace that I know of. we slaughtered their asses and fucked their country up properly, yeah we won.
masterfastblast 1 year ago
@masterfastblast Hei Dickhead.How r u ?? Have u been there ?? Why didin't they u motherfucker ??
U got your ass whopped..by a few brave farmers hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh And u gonna loose in the midle east ass wel !!! TU FEDE SEU FILHO DA PUTA !!! OS AMERICANOS PERDERAM SIM SEU BOSTINHA
santiagomauricio 1 year ago
Of course we didnt surrender, because we were busy running away. Dont be one of those dumbasses that say we never lost a battle. We lost plenty of battles in vietnam. A plattoon would get tore up then they'd fall back and let the airforce destroy the area. Retreating is not victory. And winning is not about fucking the country you're trying to help. You are an uneducated piece of shit.
SOLIDOUS917 1 year ago
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Ho chi Minh, Vietnam's communist founder, is a disguting TRAITOR and MURDERER. He was a member of the Third Communist International established in 1919 by Lenin. He gave up Paracel & Spratly archipelagos with large oil resources to China. He even ordered to murder his own mistress named Nong thi Xuan when she threatened to disclose her sexual relationship with him since that would destroy his image as a "Father" of Vietnam who "sacrifices" his whole life for Vietnam revolution.
tim666661 1 year ago
USA LOST.... HAHAHA
xsabrewolf 1 year ago
@xsabrewolf The Vietnamese lost Vietnam. The US won the cold war which Vietnam was only a part. We crushed Soviet world expansionism and we had the pleasure of killing 4.5 million NVA/VC that still lie in mass unmarked graves, millions of angry ghosts roam Vietnam, angry at the communist lies that killed them.
masterfastblast 1 year ago
@masterfastblast Yanks are the most impudent people in the world.Big mouth did not help them to avoid humiliated loss in Vietnam.This loss will hurt them for next 1000 years
ctenar1970 1 year ago
@masterfastblast why is everyone accepting these overexaggerated numbers, just to make themselves feel more proud?
sharkie541 1 year ago
@masterfastblast common man stop to talk shit according with deferents US Estimates the from VC / NVA Killed between 1954-75 is 720k+ no 4,5 millions ARVN killed (if you know what is that) are about 341k Americans and Other US Allied (South Korea, Philippines,Australia, Thailand, New Zealand) is 64k.
But NVN aircraft loses According with the Americans are 196 aircraft --- U.S aircraft losses are more than 8500 aircraft according with the Americans too.
TheSuperN00b 1 year ago
@xsabrewolf retard.
300spartansrule 1 year ago
@louth00
sure...yankee bastard!! a million of children ...women and elderly people....shame on you....but do not worry all the chikens come home to roost!!!
frenulo 1 year ago
Read the 'REAL UN'
676antony 1 year ago
There was a time when the US supported Ho Chi Minh. The US told the Vietnamese leadership that the US would not support a communist Vietnam in the mid 40's. Ho was always a communist since his help in the 20's founding the French Communist Party. Ho's work was always based upon Marxist/Leninism.
lakecloudmountain 1 year ago
and with a racist approach, some people just dont realize how much they are making things worst. Using agent orange was a racist approach, as no one can imagine that a country can sustain a normal life with its soil poisonned, just like salt was used thousands of years ago to attempt to destroy entire civilizations. The amazing thing is that even Kissinger recognizes the Vietnam war was useless. It didnt really have a point, but fed millions to the US arm industry.
hamrite 1 year ago
and with a racist approach, some people just dont realize how much they are making things worst. Using agent orange was a racist approach, as no one can imagine that a country can sustain a normal life with its soil poisonned, just like salt was used thousands of years ago to attempt to destroy entire civilizations. The amazing thing is that even Kissinger recognizes the Vietnam war was useless. It didnt really have a point, but fed millions to the US arm industry.
hamrite 1 year ago
We have a big heart for our country and people*
MisStrawberryLips 1 year ago 7
Why are the stupid Vietnamese still whinning about the war that the US was involved for such a short while. Vietnamese have been fighting for the better part of th 20th Century. US troops were only involved from 1965-73. Poor Vietnam is a poisoned shithole, most people in the countryside still live on ratmeat and rice, bugs, snakes. There is a constant danger of death by unexploded ordinance. Every year untold thousands and millions are born genes deformed from the toxicicity of the food chain.
xuixuanxui 1 year ago
US ordinances poisoned their food chain...
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan Vietnamese poisoned their own food chain asshole.
xuixuanxui 1 year ago
@xuixuanxui
Link it or it didn't happen
Also, please be civil it's just politics.
RudeDan 1 year ago
Rudedan and His Ilk forget the lessons of history or either they refuse or believe in lies. Communist ideology was and is Imperialistic, Communism demanded the conquest of the entire world or else communism would fail. Why can't idiots like rudedan aquaint themselves with what Soviet Union, the Comintern and the Internationale was up to. Ho Chi Minh was first and foremost a Soviet agent. He became a Soviet citizen in 1926 and trained in Moscow until 1935 to wage his part of the communist war.
lakecloudmountain 1 year ago 6
@lakecloudmountain
The claim you make has been forwarded by many cold warriors, but archives released from the Soviet Union have revealed that their government had no master plan for worldwide expansion. The Vietnam War pitted us against a national liberation movement who wanted aid from the Soviets, not communist agents.
RudeDan 1 year ago
Ho Chi Minh became a Soviet citizen in 1925. He studied in Moscow for revolution and communist ideology until 1930 when he became a member of the Soviet Comintern and the 3rd Internationale which has very specific stratregies of turning all 3rd world countries communists removing many resources from the West, When that was completed the plan was for Soviet conquest of the West. North Vietnam was structured on the Soviet model economic system, military system and economic planning.
xuixuanxui 1 year ago
Do you have an legitimate sources for all of your claims about a specific plan for communism to conquer the world? Because every academic source I've ever read says that's bullshit.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan Yes, read the 3rd Internationale or the Comintern if you can find it. HoChiMinh was part of the overall plan. Do you really think you are going to get the skinny from KGB or FSB? Doubt it!
xuixuanxui 1 year ago
@xuixuanxui
My friend, comintern was dissolved in the 1940's...
Also, we get the skinny from the KGB after the fall of the Soviet Union when they released many of their records.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan So what. The aims and ambitions of world conquest however were not abandoned only intensifited by the Soviets and their henchmen.
masterfastblast 1 year ago
@masterfastblast
You say that with no evidence....
Soviet government documents show only the USSR trying to sustain itself and exert its influence in satellite states, even less so than the United States, which had bases and men all over the world without the peoples' consent.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@masterfastblast
You say that with no evidence....
Soviet government documents show only the USSR trying to sustain itself and exert its influence in satellite states, even less so than the United States, which had bases and men all over the world without the peoples' consent.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@masterfastblast
You say that with no evidence....
Soviet government documents show only the USSR trying to sustain itself and exert its influence in satellite states, even less so than the United States, which had bases and men all over the world without the peoples' consent.
RudeDan 1 year ago
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