Well it's official, this guy got what he wanted, and we even get to know the names of two of the children too! What a wonderful land America has become.
Ronald Reagan campaigned for and signed the UN Convention Against Torture, which says there are "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever" to justify it. If we as a people come to disagree with that, we should be honest and tell the world that we are renouncing that treaty. Then every tin-pot dictatorship will point to us as an example and justification for their own torture policies.
um this is fucked up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone stop this crap all over the world!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE SHOULD TOURTURE ANYONE ANYWHERE use lie detectors or something elce come on people we have technology now you figure it out but not this!!!
WTF America?! And you claim to hold the moral high ground here? Land of the free and home of the brave?! Really? Scared stiff that you wouldn't hesitate to torture an infant? This is disgusting.
When will people admit that torture does not produce reliable information? The guy who knows where the bomb is could just as easily send the authorities to the complete opposite end of the city to stop the torture of himself or his child. Then the bomb goes off anyway. Torture does not work and has never worked. It's about as reliable as random guesswork. These people are both sadistic and moronic.
I say, we take ALL these scumbag filth in this video - the ones who ADVOCATE torture and we sodomize their rectums with jagged objects, electrocute them, take a pair of pliers and slowly twist and cut off their genitals, dunk their heads in a bucket of water, etc and see how they like.
After all that torture for WEEKS on end, lets see what kind of information we get out of them.
Reality is not an episode of 24, or a ticking time bomb with the madman in custody. This is all medieval Bullshit!
Do any of these people realize that what we do to them they will do to our people. They will torture our troops to get information. We're turning into the animals that we're trying to protect us from.
Heck if you defined terrorist the way Israel does regarding Hamas, even the millions of chickens they slaughtered, or the olive groves they tear down, are terrorists because some Hamas member has eaten an egg or used the oil to cook with! That man is a monster to SMILE and discuss such things. Let us see what happens if HE is put under the gun and someone PRETENDED to torture one of his kids. But then, I imagine that sick f*ck has ice for blood.
you are a fucking idiot. go talk to "your friends al qaida" and see if they like you too. beats me what a worthless punk like you thinks, you have never seen the world, or actually been there so talk all you want while we act and save your stupid ass.
What the fuuuck!!!! Had to let that out. Just watching that guy speak so casually (and with a fucking smile?!?) about torturing infants, is really pissing me off.
That last guy was a f@#$ing devil! That creep, I want to see if he still has that smirk on his face if/when HIS CHILDREN were to experience this HELL and HE'S FORCED TO WATCH! Payback is an inevitable BITCH!!!
Have you noticed the proponents of torture are Jewish guys, I mean no animosity to my fellow Americans. But gees, what kind of upbringing creates these men?
Probably their own children being tortured and decapitated by the same ones they gave permission too. Then they would probably burry their head in the sand and go into a denial so deep no god or gods could get their heads out of their own asses.
It's interesting how they always use the ticking time bomb argument. Of course all of their prisoners are ticking time bombs in their opinion. And they will result to mafia tactics like crushing the testicles of their kids to get them to testify. Check out the purpose of Camp Iguana. (It's a tennis resort ... right)
So if you were certain that your prisoner had this vital info, really really certain, like as certain as Rumsfeld and Bush were that Saddam had WMD, then you would be justified in doing anything?
And what about if you were wrong about the prisoner having the info or there was no info in the first place, then would it still be OK to torture babies?
How desperate and fearful are we?
Iraqis experience 3000 people (like 911) being murdered every month, would we be OK with them torturing babies?
Emagine ALL The Inocent people Who know nothing, haven't heard nothing, or seen nothing Are tortured, which means even till death just to say well, we had to go through quite a few to find the right one. Which the One right one Never was anyone at all Say,This was all just a training skill waiting for the real thing Look what they have done to The Innocent ones Shame on Brainwash America Bush.Lane*
In September 2006 the Senate officially gave President Bush the legal authority to abduct and sexually mutilate American citizens and American children in the name of the war on terror when it passed new detainee legislation.
so let me get this straight,a moslem bomber has placed a nuclear device,somewhere in the centre of any large town in the usa,and then they catch him and the friends who helped achieve the planting of the bomb,the authorities ask them nicely "HEY WERE DID YOU PLANT THAT BOMB?" the bomber replies "DIE ALL AMERICAN DOGS" oh i forgot to add your family live in the town that will be destroyed ! what do you do now, phone jack bower?
YOU ARE CITING A FREAKING TV SHOW. LIFE IS NOT A EPISODE OF 24! Do you honestly believe that torturing him is going to make him tell you? Hypothetically - this guy would have been chosen for his loyalty, therefore he would rather die than give up the location. The only way to stop it is you stop it FROM COMING INTO THE COUNTRY WITH GOOD OLD FASHIONED POLICE WORK.
24 IS ON TV. ANYTHING ON TV IS FICTION. 24 DOES NOT EQUAL LIFE. UNPLUG YOURSELF.
jamierourketen, torture does not produce the truth it only creates fallacies for the "hero(s)" to beat their political terrorist drum. Don't beleive me look back to the Spanish Inquisition. Where victims were given a choice:
1. Torture until you admit to the accusations
2. Torture if you don't die first but in the event you do live torture and then burned at te stake alive for not admitting to your captives charges.
I'd agree some what to bootpdx comment on 24. America is better then this.
What you are suggesting is a centralized authoritative body for intelligence and delegation of its own will in "protection" of the masses.
The problem with that more specifically the Patriot Act on "Home Grown Terrorist" meaning a broad and non descriptive terminology leading to the eventual prosecution of U.S. Citizens for supporting the U.S. Constitution and other civil liberties.
Make aware to the masses arm them and you have a militia more powerful then any government could compose.
I would like to extract the Colon of this man, pull it outwards, then while I'm burning holes in it with a cigar (as he watches in excruciating pain), I would then pull it up and around his neck and hang him from a stop light at the intersection of any major city. In short, I would hand him from his own Fricken colon along with ANYONE else who would believe in this method of information extraction!!!!!
The idea that torturing a committed terrorist's child would deter them or cause them to become uncommitted to their plans or their cause is illogical.
The question presumes that torture will produce the correct answer. The problem is that torture does not work. Anyone who is being tortured will give false information to stop the torture. So, you still won't know the location of that theoretical bomb. That's not idealism, it's practical logic.
You are correct that torture doesn't work with religious (or idealogical) zealots - and religious zealots are the only ones threatening our country. You have just made the case for not using torture. Also, you are quite naive if you think that countries only do things that work. Some obvious examples: Germany's invasion of Russia in WWII, Russian Communism, the U.S. involvment in Vietnam, the Prohibition of alcohol... the list goes on and on.
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I said 'not very often' - not that it didn't work at all, I was quite clear in what I said. Now, as for the rest of your childish nonsense, what on earth are you on about? You are possibly the most illogical human I have ever encountered, you don't understand the basics of argument or indeed the english language.
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Specifically, countries have been torturing people for information for thousands of years; the fact that it is still used by law enforcement around the world shows that it wroks, if only in a small amount of cases. Therefore, I would use it in the example above, to save thousands of lives. Okay?
Anyone who resorts to insult in a debate is obviously out of his league. You have no grasp of logic, so you resort to emotional outbursts. Thanks but no thanks. Goodbye.
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It's not a debate, it's a statement of fact, you cheesy fucknut. Now go ride your rotating totem pole and stop annyoing people on youtube or I will hunt you down and rape with with your own diseased maggot of a cock...
(that wasn't an insult, that was a statement of fact too)
Well it's official, this guy got what he wanted, and we even get to know the names of two of the children too! What a wonderful land America has become.
watch?v=068u8y2r4D0&feature=g-vrec&context=G2f12ddeRVAAAAAAAABw
Amarx00 2 months ago
Ronald Reagan campaigned for and signed the UN Convention Against Torture, which says there are "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever" to justify it. If we as a people come to disagree with that, we should be honest and tell the world that we are renouncing that treaty. Then every tin-pot dictatorship will point to us as an example and justification for their own torture policies.
dennis345 1 year ago
um this is fucked up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone stop this crap all over the world!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE SHOULD TOURTURE ANYONE ANYWHERE use lie detectors or something elce come on people we have technology now you figure it out but not this!!!
Gecko1265 1 year ago
These idiots are using the most unlikely scenario to justify torture.
klard 1 year ago
WTF America?! And you claim to hold the moral high ground here? Land of the free and home of the brave?! Really? Scared stiff that you wouldn't hesitate to torture an infant? This is disgusting.
johnroshan 1 year ago
here is another insane psychopath.
mayadevata 2 years ago
When will people admit that torture does not produce reliable information? The guy who knows where the bomb is could just as easily send the authorities to the complete opposite end of the city to stop the torture of himself or his child. Then the bomb goes off anyway. Torture does not work and has never worked. It's about as reliable as random guesswork. These people are both sadistic and moronic.
fightforyourrights9 2 years ago 2
This torture justification ticking bomb scenario will never really happen. It is just a scheme to open people to the idea of legitimate torture.
klard 2 years ago
Preparedness, or Paranoia!
KaOssis 2 years ago
I say, we take ALL these scumbag filth in this video - the ones who ADVOCATE torture and we sodomize their rectums with jagged objects, electrocute them, take a pair of pliers and slowly twist and cut off their genitals, dunk their heads in a bucket of water, etc and see how they like.
After all that torture for WEEKS on end, lets see what kind of information we get out of them.
Reality is not an episode of 24, or a ticking time bomb with the madman in custody. This is all medieval Bullshit!
mrjustin5 2 years ago
OH, I wonder why the children hates america
girxbq 2 years ago
Thanks for the email..I sent him a scathing email and I will continue to send them.
pmattoon 2 years ago
Do any of these people realize that what we do to them they will do to our people. They will torture our troops to get information. We're turning into the animals that we're trying to protect us from.
usapegasus007 2 years ago
fucking prick
palkom13 3 years ago
Heck if you defined terrorist the way Israel does regarding Hamas, even the millions of chickens they slaughtered, or the olive groves they tear down, are terrorists because some Hamas member has eaten an egg or used the oil to cook with! That man is a monster to SMILE and discuss such things. Let us see what happens if HE is put under the gun and someone PRETENDED to torture one of his kids. But then, I imagine that sick f*ck has ice for blood.
barbaralee15 3 years ago
Here is Michael Levins email address, please send this SICK CUNT BASTARD as much hate mail as you can!!!!
Michael Levin
Ph.D. Columbia University
m e g l e v @ nyc. rr. com
Amarx00 3 years ago 2
oh right, gotcha ;)
Caesar0031 3 years ago
USA tortures too, so let's not single out "terrorists" as the only bad guys. USA is no more innocent than al Qaida.
For the record, I support neither side, just stating an opinion.
AirborneIdentity 3 years ago
That's what this clip is about, did you watch it?
Caesar0031 3 years ago
Yes, my comment was addressing Americans who believe that USA tortures for altruistic reasons.
AirborneIdentity 3 years ago
you are a fucking idiot. go talk to "your friends al qaida" and see if they like you too. beats me what a worthless punk like you thinks, you have never seen the world, or actually been there so talk all you want while we act and save your stupid ass.
Crossnetx 2 years ago
psyop says what?
Caesar0031 2 years ago
Hey don't use curses at me.
AirborneIdentity 2 years ago
well dont compare us to those terrorist fuckers.
Crossnetx 2 years ago
well i will compare USA to terrorists when the situation warrants a comparison.
AirborneIdentity 2 years ago 2
alright, but until then keep your comments to yourself.
Crossnetx 2 years ago
it's already happened so that is why i have already criticised USA for its transgressions.
AirborneIdentity 2 years ago 2
sorry to break the news, but the u.s. is not responsible for what goes on inside your mind.
Crossnetx 2 years ago
lolwut
AirborneIdentity 2 years ago
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Kill the jews and the niggers!!!
Fuzzy192006 3 years ago
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mattroks101 3 years ago
really?
Caesar0031 3 years ago
What the fuuuck!!!! Had to let that out. Just watching that guy speak so casually (and with a fucking smile?!?) about torturing infants, is really pissing me off.
basil81 3 years ago 2
I heard they tortured Kalik Sheik Mohammed's kid
to get him to confessed.
In Iraq,American sodomized Iraqi children.
America,land of the sickos,home of the sodomites
GodOfPoker1983 3 years ago 3
That last guy was a f@#$ing devil! That creep, I want to see if he still has that smirk on his face if/when HIS CHILDREN were to experience this HELL and HE'S FORCED TO WATCH! Payback is an inevitable BITCH!!!
One Embarassed American
jmnjne 3 years ago 3
Inflicting pain on an infant? I'm all for that, but only for the fun of it! Not for extracting information. Let's torture babies, woohooo!!
WolfySnackrib666 3 years ago
The Talmudic thugs of Israel has taken over the US government.
Americans! Get rid of these people!
asperin 3 years ago
Extremist zionists are only a link in the chain that binds us.
Caesar0031 3 years ago
we are trying!
tone2287 3 years ago
Have you noticed the proponents of torture are Jewish guys, I mean no animosity to my fellow Americans. But gees, what kind of upbringing creates these men?
chewbaca1989 3 years ago
These guys are fucking monsters! Whats it gona take for the people to act and say NOMORE! This isn't who we are!
kingsman565 3 years ago 4
Probably their own children being tortured and decapitated by the same ones they gave permission too. Then they would probably burry their head in the sand and go into a denial so deep no god or gods could get their heads out of their own asses.
Arelak 3 years ago
It's interesting how they always use the ticking time bomb argument. Of course all of their prisoners are ticking time bombs in their opinion. And they will result to mafia tactics like crushing the testicles of their kids to get them to testify. Check out the purpose of Camp Iguana. (It's a tennis resort ... right)
bogon5dot 3 years ago
So if you were certain that your prisoner had this vital info, really really certain, like as certain as Rumsfeld and Bush were that Saddam had WMD, then you would be justified in doing anything?
And what about if you were wrong about the prisoner having the info or there was no info in the first place, then would it still be OK to torture babies?
How desperate and fearful are we?
Iraqis experience 3000 people (like 911) being murdered every month, would we be OK with them torturing babies?
macrumpton 3 years ago
Touche! This is an outrage. What the fuck is really gone on in our country?
alexjones4president 3 years ago 3
Torturing an infant? I cant believe I'm in America right now. I'm honestly sickened.
KARStarla 3 years ago 10
fucking children of Lucifer!! the only terrorists out there are these fucking politicians and corporations!!
punkyca 3 years ago 3
Lanesteepee 3 years ago
In September 2006 the Senate officially gave President Bush the legal authority to abduct and sexually mutilate American citizens and American children in the name of the war on terror when it passed new detainee legislation.
louis12346 3 years ago 2
Utilitarianism is the shortest path to tyranny!
OmarThePug 3 years ago
thankyou for not ranting!
jamierourketen 3 years ago
so let me get this straight,a moslem bomber has placed a nuclear device,somewhere in the centre of any large town in the usa,and then they catch him and the friends who helped achieve the planting of the bomb,the authorities ask them nicely "HEY WERE DID YOU PLANT THAT BOMB?" the bomber replies "DIE ALL AMERICAN DOGS" oh i forgot to add your family live in the town that will be destroyed ! what do you do now, phone jack bower?
jamierourketen 3 years ago
YOU ARE CITING A FREAKING TV SHOW. LIFE IS NOT A EPISODE OF 24! Do you honestly believe that torturing him is going to make him tell you? Hypothetically - this guy would have been chosen for his loyalty, therefore he would rather die than give up the location. The only way to stop it is you stop it FROM COMING INTO THE COUNTRY WITH GOOD OLD FASHIONED POLICE WORK.
24 IS ON TV. ANYTHING ON TV IS FICTION. 24 DOES NOT EQUAL LIFE. UNPLUG YOURSELF.
bootpdx 3 years ago
jamierourketen, torture does not produce the truth it only creates fallacies for the "hero(s)" to beat their political terrorist drum. Don't beleive me look back to the Spanish Inquisition. Where victims were given a choice:
1. Torture until you admit to the accusations
2. Torture if you don't die first but in the event you do live torture and then burned at te stake alive for not admitting to your captives charges.
I'd agree some what to bootpdx comment on 24. America is better then this.
Gungrave20 3 years ago
so what is the answer to my hypothetical situation?
jamierourketen 3 years ago
What you are suggesting is a centralized authoritative body for intelligence and delegation of its own will in "protection" of the masses.
The problem with that more specifically the Patriot Act on "Home Grown Terrorist" meaning a broad and non descriptive terminology leading to the eventual prosecution of U.S. Citizens for supporting the U.S. Constitution and other civil liberties.
Make aware to the masses arm them and you have a militia more powerful then any government could compose.
Gungrave20 3 years ago
Can anyone say Nazi Germany.
jen472 4 years ago
I would like to extract the Colon of this man, pull it outwards, then while I'm burning holes in it with a cigar (as he watches in excruciating pain), I would then pull it up and around his neck and hang him from a stop light at the intersection of any major city. In short, I would hand him from his own Fricken colon along with ANYONE else who would believe in this method of information extraction!!!!!
JOHNNYJJAM 4 years ago 2
Only problem is he may like it, sick f*ck!
jen472 4 years ago
you would really do that? have you done it before?
jamierourketen 3 years ago
and that guy retains his position at a university? what parents let their children study with an amoral scumbag llike that bastard?
sickoftards 4 years ago 6
i think we should torture those bastards to see what they are up to next!!!!!
garylandy 4 years ago 2
true
glodraz0 4 years ago
The only terrorists are the Gouvernment! Only keep your eyes on them?
StopNWOScum 4 years ago 12
The idea that torturing a committed terrorist's child would deter them or cause them to become uncommitted to their plans or their cause is illogical.
mystykit 4 years ago 5
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I'd torture a child to find the location of a nuclear bomb - anyone who says they wouldn't is an idealistic fucknut...
maureenOWW 4 years ago
watch the movie again and pretend they're talking about your (future) baby
Caesar0031 4 years ago
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Okay, I did that, I still have the same opinion? What next?
maureenOWW 4 years ago
Seek help
Caesar0031 4 years ago
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From who?!? Chomsky? Vidal? Batfink???
I NEED HELP!
maureenOWW 4 years ago
The question presumes that torture will produce the correct answer. The problem is that torture does not work. Anyone who is being tortured will give false information to stop the torture. So, you still won't know the location of that theoretical bomb. That's not idealism, it's practical logic.
RotaryTotem 4 years ago 6
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Torture does work, just not very often with religious zealots. If it didn't work then countries wouldn't waste time doing it. Clearly.
maureenOWW 4 years ago
You are correct that torture doesn't work with religious (or idealogical) zealots - and religious zealots are the only ones threatening our country. You have just made the case for not using torture. Also, you are quite naive if you think that countries only do things that work. Some obvious examples: Germany's invasion of Russia in WWII, Russian Communism, the U.S. involvment in Vietnam, the Prohibition of alcohol... the list goes on and on.
RotaryTotem 4 years ago 2
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I said 'not very often' - not that it didn't work at all, I was quite clear in what I said. Now, as for the rest of your childish nonsense, what on earth are you on about? You are possibly the most illogical human I have ever encountered, you don't understand the basics of argument or indeed the english language.
maureenOWW 4 years ago
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Specifically, countries have been torturing people for information for thousands of years; the fact that it is still used by law enforcement around the world shows that it wroks, if only in a small amount of cases. Therefore, I would use it in the example above, to save thousands of lives. Okay?
maureenOWW 4 years ago
Anyone who resorts to insult in a debate is obviously out of his league. You have no grasp of logic, so you resort to emotional outbursts. Thanks but no thanks. Goodbye.
RotaryTotem 4 years ago 4
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It's not a debate, it's a statement of fact, you cheesy fucknut. Now go ride your rotating totem pole and stop annyoing people on youtube or I will hunt you down and rape with with your own diseased maggot of a cock...
(that wasn't an insult, that was a statement of fact too)
maureenOWW 4 years ago
And thus MaureenOWW was blocked
Caesar0031 4 years ago
more bullshit to cover up false flag terror done by england and america
unameitltd 4 years ago 2