Honda S2000 (AP1) vs Toyota MR2 Turbo (SW20) Street Racing

[OTrAiN37]

It's the turbo... Or the extra weight in ur s2k!!!! Lol

[xxxH22VTECxxx]

That's about the same car length when I raced against a AP1 S2K from a 40mph rolling start with my MR2 turbo.

[MischifHQ]

sw20 win? And were you filming from the s2000? I'm guessing yes.

[megaderk]

go Mr. 2!!!

[vachix3]

MR2 over S2K any day

[94jdmEg6]

If want to drift an mr2 please go to closed circuit don't on the street you will most likely end up next to a tree trust me i know from experience!!!

[AyashiFX55]

people watches too much initial d. THey all think the MR2 is for drifting.

[Soulspan]

@AyashiFX55 Well they can Drift With a MR2 if they had Experice and Good Steering.. Its not Impossible lol..

[AyashiFX55]

@Soulspan "it's not impossible" i know its possible but its not good for that !!!

[Soulspan]

@AyashiFX55 Lol any car is Bad for Drifting :/

[AyashiFX55]

@Soulspan toyota ae86? ;)

[Soulspan]

@AyashiFX55 Rofl that car is slow on Straight aways but Pretty fast on Corners i Reconmend the S15

[f0rza0325]

@813Geane

What are you fucking retarded? How did you manage to mess up the word "CORNERING" twice?

[Gianccio]

Mr2 All day !!!!!!!

[pangotman]

He pleads the fifth.

[96integra02]

the battle of the 4cyl titans =)

[TheOmegaeyes]

Sick pull!

[rafimartinez]

Good race mr2

[mike1968uk]

lol, covic..lol must have just left school, mr2 ruke, how many other early 1990 car are restricted? love, love mine

[SubwayGUY48]

you guys do know this MR2 had a Ct20B on it....... right

[24okay]

Isn't that what comes stock on it? If not, then I thought it was maybe the CT26, since that is usually found on the GT-Four which also uses the 3sgte engine that has that same turbo stock.

[SubwayGUY48]

in japna in 95 it came with a ct20b....

in america they had a ct26 that is no where near efficient as the one that comes on the supra

heres some numbers america mr2 runs a 14.7

japan mr2 runs a 13.8

[24okay]

Is there more to it than the engine?  Or can I get a 3rd gen 3sgte and run the same? Or would I need the vvt-i engine? I know that is only 10hp more than the 3rd gen, however I don't want vvt-i.

[SubwayGUY48]

the 20b is just the turbo all the 3sgtes are the same except 91-92 1st gen, 93-95 2nd gen and 96+ 3rd

[24okay]

Right right, and where in the midst of these engines does Beams come in? I noticed people going with the beams engine, and it almost sounds like it is completely different from 3rd gen 3sgte. All I know is I am getting a 3sgte included with my GT-Four front clip for my ST205 conversion. I was just wondering though.

[SubwayGUY48]

beams is NA that super rare only the 5th gen MR2's i believe 98+ there not turboed probably why they sound different. they are pretty cool though the equivalent or better of the B18C5 back in the day but not as good as the k20

[24okay]

Wow, really? Hey, you seem to know a lot, that's awesome. I just got into cars like last year when I began modifying my own. Here I am about to take on a big conversion. LOL  That's good to know then. I have a few fellow 6th gen celica people running beams, and I couldn't understand why they preferred that over the 3sgte, when to me, prices are very similar.

[SubwayGUY48]

haha im guessing he probably took on the beams because its more rare? nothing better than the shiny red top or maybe he prefered NA or reliability but other than that 3sgte will usually always win in terms of power. ...but beams will get my thumb up all day..... I only know alot because I dreamed of owning a fast one day, but I owned a 3sgte mr2 ct20b and it blew within months, my second NA was better but really slow, slower than most d16 hondas......thus it was time to move on.

[24okay]

I think anything can last if you are mechanically inclined and as paranoid as I am. I have noticed the number case of things breaking is carelessness. Not saying that you were by any means, but I work in a shop with guys who were not raised by such a paranoid mother like myself. Then again, the heads on 3sgte are more prone to cracking vs the 5sfe. Still though, you have more parts, you have more to worry about breaking and ultimately breaking down the rest. I am hardheaded though.

[SubwayGUY48]

haha I won't like I was careless boosting close to or above 20psi at some points on a stock block. When I pulled out my ct26 the entire thing was coated white due to running lean for a month straight. It is due to carelessness, but a word of advise when messing with turbos unless its stock be prepared and have money for when time comes. I had no money to repair as it cost thousands......in my eyes the MR2 is a money pit. but good thing you have a celica haha

[24okay]

LOL The Celica is going to be running 3sgte as well. But I plan on going the expensive route with a 2.2L stroker kit, either with HKS or with Jun pistons. There is a guy named Tufy here on youtube, he is the benchmark/standard for what I am trying to accomplish with my celica.

[SubwayGUY48]

oh thats good that your building it and celicas get a fmic so your car should pretty much be a win win. from what i've seen the 2.2 stroker has had nothing but very good results the 3sgte is actually a very strong motor it takes extreme heat to destroy that bottom end

[24okay]

Hell yeah, that guy Tufy's Celica is INSANE! Even today, he still is referred to as "The Evo Killer". You get bored check him out on youtube. He races an ariel atom. There is a faster GT-Four though that is in Greece. That thing is a BEAST! We are talking 850HP here. I have even (no joke), seen a 700HP 3sgte being sold (not sure if it ever sold and if for the listed price) go for $27k USD. No joke.

[ImportDreams500]

most people who prefer the beams over the 3s are more into circuit track racing. Its more of a "desirable" powerband. You get no lag and you're not in danger of spinning out so much; due to the turbo spooling if you do mess up in a corner.

[24okay]

Makes sense. MY MR2 Turbo sent me into what I guess is "Snap Oversteer" just in my neighborhood due to the boost and it's layout. So I know what you mean.

Seems like maybe an SC MR2 might do some good on the canyon vs a Turbo.

[Smithtn22]

Not really, thats a U.S spec mr2 turbo,nowhere near as powerful as the uk ones which are jap imports! S2000 would get monstered by a Jap spec rev3+ tubby...

[reflex0r]

i'm impressed the S2000 kept that close. that 2 was a beast

[bazzakazam]

honda dont do a turbo in their line up especially in sports cars, its a lot harder to get big horse power from n/a engines and alot more respectful as appose to brute force from turbo,s2000 rocks!

[B18C5NA]

i know a guy that has a s2000 and he said he would trade his s2000 for a mr2

SW20<Ap1 we all no that

[91MR2miller]

please. that s2000 never had a chance MR2's are the best. ans is the guy under me really bragging about a civic? what has this world come to.

[Daaaemonslayer]

both cars are dope.talked to a s2000 driver a few days ago..those cars are smooth.but i like my MR2 more :-D

[darkwarrior1986]

dont get me wrong, s2k is cool... i'd take the mr2 over it. my friend tho just made a mistake by selling his 2 for an s2k lol..

[deyan125]

what mods do both cars have?

[TGRAING]

if you do a turbo upgrade do you have to get forged pistons and rods because i heard that mr2 engines can hold up to 400hp stock

[clube20]

the s2000 is just a dressed up civic. ha ha it got ripped a new ass hole by the MR2

[pathdestroyer]

S2000 is a front engine rear wheel drive whereas civic is front engine front wheel drive,,,,plus..s2000 is not even based on same platform as it was made ground up on diff platform as a sports car.

[ousi00]

S2000 is a bit lack in torque, it's expected that it doesn't do very well in straight line - but good enough to beat some Civic dumbass.

BTW, that MR2 is nice!

[DISTORTIONFACTORY]

haha you make me laugh S2000 wouldnt stand a chance against my Civic

[OHBOYYESMOM]

stop talking shit,s2000 has no turbo , mr2 has turbo,sounds stock just with the external wastegate,

even if both cars had same turbo, the mr2 will kick his ass!!! soo, stop please..

[SubwayGUY48]

stop saying if the S2000 was turbo

If the MR2 had a BEAMS NA Engine it would still win

so quit talking outta ur ass

[WMO14]

Haha

[OHBOYYESMOM]

POOR HONDA!!! HAHAHAHA

[domaniking]

if both cars had the same turbo the s2000 would have one but a good race

[darkwarrior1986]

look, mr2 is still older by far and still whooped the s2k ass. the mr2 is just better all around.

[domaniking]

the s2000 is to sexy for the mr2

[1993SW21]

that's your opinion. the s2000 isn't very quick though, and the mr2 IS sexy.

[domaniking]

well you got a give it up for the s2000 the mr2 turbo was pulling away slowly from the s2k and its non turbo if the s2k had a turbo it would be a good race

[1993SW21]

an turbo s2k would be sick, problem is it costs a fortune to do that. it would've been daring for honda to make the s2k come with a turbo trim model but they didn't as they thought they would pull in more income without it.

[illyrian4life]

good race good cars

[omegaeyez]

This is a nice run for the mr2 cause if I'm not mistaken that s2000 come factory 240bhp and that looks to be a '93 or newer mr2,probalbly between 200/225 hp. Wonder if they're both stock.

[thenessaja]

you have to admit, that the s2000 did alright, as it wasnt turboed, gotta love naturally aspirated hondas.

put a turbo in the ap1 and that mr2 wouldnt be so happy.

[aforshort]

the mr2 comes turbo and the s2000 comes with a naturally asperated engine. if it were upgraded with a turbo and the mr2 had an upgraded turbo the same thing would happen the car is jus slower

[darkwarrior1986]

ha you make me laugh. the mr2 would still leave the s2k eatin dust. haha haha my side hurts.

[B4lLKrok]

i cant watch this video

i need someone smart to keep me entertained Ev

[sr1710nx]

The mr2 is recognized as one of the best handling in the world thats the closest thing to a ferrari.With a mid-engine it a little tricky you have to know it limits ,steering is very sensitive coz the pivot point is in the back and its not easy to get out of over steering like a miata,you have to be able

shift the weight forward in the turns to fight the under steering problems.

[tlesiak91]

You can drift mr2's they rlly werent meant for drifting but what car is. they ususally good for drag thats obvious to the average mr2 owner mine is stricktly meant for drag

[trixy1983]

For those who say MR2s can't drift go to youtube member member kutu300 profile and watch his vid of the whit MR2 with the border kit..that should shut you up..oh and by the way that s2k got smoked :P

[polaroid91]

take the guy in the s2000 whos recording out.. guarantee the s2000 will push out in front

[LaZaZaL89]

LOL, sarcasm?

[RockintheHouse13]

rofl why do honda owners rely on weight ratios...o yeah...thats all they got lol

[dsaulat]

agreed!

[hectormr2turbo]

i don't care but mr2 is the best

[nonsoundflux]

But I've gotta add this... the S2000 is a piece of crap. It's TOPPED OUT at 245 whp from the factory: which means the ECU, drivetrain, and all engine components were meant for 300whp MAX - so this was a stupid race anyway. However, a boosted CRX would smoke an MR2, strictly based on powerband and tuning capability. MR2 is a drifter, not a drag car. There's more skill in drifting anyway. It's kind of a waste of an MR2.

[onyxaltezza]

omfg are you retarded. Since when is an MR layout ideal for drifting? You try drifting and MR2 and let me know how that goes. I have a Quaife LSD and its still not any more fun that running an open diff. Please do your research before you ever post again, thank you.

[hectormr2turbo]

mr2 its made for drifting u dumb head..its just the next lever since its hard to cotrol not everyone deserves an mr2

[Phazon559]

The MR2 is not made for drifting but it's not made for drag either. Not that any car back then was "made" for drifting anyway. The MR2 was built by Toyota as a sports car, though the SW20 is more like a GT car. Either way the MR2 was made for the corners, not for the straightaways or to go sideways. It really doesn't matter though, you can do them all if you want.

[813Geane]

@Phazon559

Most mid engine cars are made with conering.

[813Geane]

@Phazon559

Most mid engine cars are made with conering in mind

[micklezmista2]

You drift your sw20? I would like to see that, haha. I have coilovers, swaybars and strut braces and the MR2 is certainly not 'made' for drifting whatsoever. Sure I can keep the tail out but nothing like my S13 track car. MR2s are balanced, but the rear weight bias does is not good for drifting. Dickhead

[spitfiremark14]

The MR2 is made for racing on a circut you goof get it right.

[delekado]

wow you just said a MR platformed car is a drift car... slap yourself...

[nonsoundflux]

I've know plenty of MR owners that love to drift. Granted it's more complicated than most ideal models, but what's the fun in something if it's not hard to do? Additionally, it has more to do with front suspension than just your LSD. And I agree with Phazon, you can pretty much do anything with it.

[thepeeer]

MR2 ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hectormr2turbo]

i just have to say something to ya ..men fuck ya i love street racing ......but what if u kill the next president of usa fuck that most accidents are during a normol drive when some stupid white dude is talking on his cell and don't pay attention or they r just so stupid ....

[nonsoundflux]

On the contrary, almost 80% of accidents are caused by young women in large vehicles on their phones. But then there's drunks, illegals, children, and street racers. But moreover, who do cops look for? Drunks, kids, illegals, and STREET RACERS. Because they cause more FATALITIES. Trust me, it's not something you want on your conscience. If you have money to put in your car, you have money to spend at the track. Street racers are just kids afraid to get beat by real racers anyway.

[nonsoundflux]

corvettekilla, did you fail the 3rd grade? nothing you ever say makes sense. anyway... i've never known anyone personally that's been killed in an accident, but more to the point i'm making a statement. it's in YOUR best interest to keep it on the track whether or not you have morals or care about anyone else. I sure as hell hope racing will be around for a while, but i'm hoping you stop giving us a bad name and start doing it legally. it'll help it stay around longer.

[Phazon559]

It doesn't matter if there are a ton of people who get killed on the road from street racing, track racing will always be around even if that happens so I don't see why you would say that. It's a sport, if a ton of people get killed playing football on the streets will they shut down the NFL? No.

[nonsoundflux]

Hey, Phazon, I have no quarrel with track racing. You'll see me at the track at least twice a month if not every day that I'm not turning wrenches. But my argument is that, if you're playing the game and get injured... no big deal. It's part of the gig.

However, if you incidentally murder the fans while you're playing - they'll shut you down. It doesn't matter how much you enjoy it, because people are more interested in the safety of the innocent and will do anything to stop you. Buzzkill.

[Phazon559]

Yeah but track racing will not be shut down for what happens on the street. NASCAR, F1, Touring, AutoX and drag, etc will not be shut down for what happens on the street. That's all I'm saying. Not that I race in traffic though, I advise against it, too many variables and unknowns.

[nonsoundflux]

Granted track racing will always be around regardless of street racing (thankfully), my statement just suggests that street racing is not only passe', but is more risk than it's worth, and an all-around blatantly stupid idea. Ask anyone that's ever been caught street racing or smashed into someone... They're walking to work, or behind bars.

[HONDAKING01]

Wack!! Dont put top speed run, nigga. Cause it wasnt! Gave yo ass one star for that...

[nonsoundflux]

PS, The "Comments & Responses" column is for the sole purpose of viewers to express their opinions... I can say basically whatever the hell I want, about whatever the hell I want. :)

[gearsofyourmom]

can't people just do what they want without having to hear about it from everyone. if they choose to do something stupid, and they fuck it up.. they have to suffer their own consequences.

until then, shut the FUCK up, and watch the videos.

wow. nothing like a bunch of youtube shittalkers.

[nonsoundflux]

Well when those people doing what they want starts killing your family members, you'll stop being such an ignorant prick. I hope it happens to you.

[morphineisgod]

Stop wasting your time. People are not going to stop racing cars until cars cease to exist. That is just the way it is. If one of your loved ones died then I feel bad for you and I am very sorry for your loss. However, remember, hating everyone is not going to bring that person back. Innocent people get killed everyday because of useless crap. Instead of coming on here insulting everyone go see a shrink.

[ZappFlyPL]

YaY!! gO mr2 hondas r for riceboys

[nonsoundflux]

My best friend's 1100-hp NSX is Honda-powered... I don't really think that constitutes as a 'riceboy'.

You guys talk a lot of shit online. Must have a lot of confidence problems.

[vkotis]

did you say 1100 hp NSX??? wow.

[nonsoundflux]

Yeah, $40,000 later. It only sees pavement maybe twice a year, but the sound of a quad-turbo is totally worth the cash.

He raced a Bugatti for pinks on a 3-mile course - he won, but felt bad for the guy & let him go.

Now that's sportsmanship!

But I guess when you've won a Murcielago and built your own Formula One car (I helped!) then you run short of room for a Bugatti in your garage.

[skyungjae]

why did you guys stop? looked like there was plenty of empty road left.

[redmr2na]

All it takes is one variable and one one thousandths of a second to change a lifetime.

[CorvetteKilla]

what traffic? they passed 1 car

[nonsoundflux]

If that car had your pregnant wife in it you'd think differently, "corvetteKilla"

...you kids have serious brain damage. Not to mention most of you are probably just compensating for a really small penis.

[CorvetteKilla]

like i said what traffic? i only saw 1 car

[nonsoundflux]

Quantity isn't the point. I'll try to put it in terms you understand, CorvetteKilla: if a bird flew in your window, or your engine caught fire, or you hit a pothole or a skunk - and you swerved into that "one car" and killed a woman and two kids - or the next president - or the CEO of Turbonetics... you're getting 5-10 years for vehicular homicide. You can't predict what happens during races - that's why it's done on a track, so you can't murder innocent people. A car is a weapon.

[CorvetteKilla]

wow somebody lost someone to some shit like this or is just a online troll who doesnt know when to shut the fuck up

[redmr2na]

Yeah ok, tell that to anyone whos lost a loved one due to their own bad judgement or the bad judgement of someone else. I knew two people that were killed in an accident. Also, how would you feel knowing that you killed someone because of stupid behavoir? Also, how would your loved ones feel knowing that you are not alive anymore? I used to think like you, until the two people I knew were killed, it changed my mind really quickly.

[djouma]

yo fuck u bitches who think street racing in traffic is stupid u guys are just bunch of pussies

[nonsoundflux]

Yeah dude when they impound your car & take your license for a year for street racing and you're walking to the bus stop, we'll see who the pussy is. :)

PS, if I ever heard you say that to my face, you'd have to eat through a straw.

[redmr2na]

I agree with you about these two people racing in traffic, it is not a wise thing to do. That said, maybe these two people don't have a racetrack near where they live to excercise their cars.  I say, if your going to illegally street race, go out in to the country, and find a two lane road with hardly any houses on it so there won't be a lot of traffic and do your racing there.

[nonsoundflux]

Both of these guys can go to hell for racing in traffic. I hope they both crash and die. It's people like this that give real motor enthusiasts a bad name. Thanks for getting the 5-0's attention, now they won't leave me alone.

[redmr2na]

What kind of car to you drive?

[nonsoundflux]

Well I have four & a half cars. A 3000GT, Elise, RX7, Del Sol, and a Honda Formula One. But I shouldn't be punished for other people's idiocracy just because I enjoy driving. If you have money to tune your car, then you have money for the track. Keep your racing away from civilians.

[majin69]

well said.

[redmr2na]

I like both the S2000 and the MR2. I have a SW20 MR2 now, but I've love hondas forever. Both are amazing cars. The S2000 is wonderful to listen too and I'm sure it is awesome to drive as well. I've never personally driven one. I love first and second gen MR2's. I love mine. It is non turbo.

[fusionchicken]

i dont know why people are even arguing whether the mr2t is stock or not...of course it isn't.

simple math: s2000 stock traps around 100mph, mr2t stock traps around 95mph...s2000 will rock a stock mr2t.

i used to have a 91, now my good friend has a 93.

with boost controller and turbo back mr2t's really wake up and will make 210whp+...s2000's stock dyno around 200whp.

this mr2 most likely had BC and maybe a portion of the TBE.

[Dboss66]

import engine has 245hp in japon the mr2 im talkin about so stock for stock the mr2 would probly get it because it has much more torque

[mh31223]

a modded mrs v stock s2000... the s2000 still put up a good fight~ id be embarassed if i had a mr2 and was watching this

[philahn]

uh. why?

3-4 year old car vs. a 14 year old car with very minor bolt ons and much more potential, not to mention the mr2 will beat the s2k even more so from a stop.

[philahn]

also. get your facts straight. if you read the second comment posted a year ago, the person who posted this video clearly states that it is NOT stock.

[GSXRRIPPERJQ]

The MR2 is a great car,this is coming from the owner of an S2000.

[hardcorebeaver]

yeah i have both.. 03 s2000 and a 91 mr2 turbo. love them both.

[mineralgreygt420]

lol, i dont think he has ever driven one. I had a mr2 long ago, a 93. If you knew how to drive that car in the corners, you were in porsche territory. I would like to see a mr2 2nd gen vs s2000 on a nice curvey track

[davidABB]

Zoneseek, your a dumbass..... boost the honda and the Mr2 will be left in the dust. The Mr2 is a great car. You will always have the Honda, toyota , nissan debates they are all great it;s how they are tuned!

[topsecret5]

davidABB you are a dumbass... increase the boost and put minor modds and the s2000 will be left in the dust. the s2000 is an awesome car, but civics are wack econoboxes, you will allways hear people bragging about their imports.. they are all great, it's just the way they are tuned.

honfry, you don't know what you are talking about, saying that an mr2 has no handling, have you ever driven at least one?.

[onyxaltezza]

oh and by the way, how many 500whp+ S2000s are there(without an engine swap)? How many MR2s are in that power range?

Cast iron block ftw.

[peteyj88]

You talking to me?? or did you hit my link by accident...if you are, I'd suggest you take a trip to the next nopi nationals and check out all the built S2ks...they are actually more common than you think...and yeah, they are built on stock blocks...

[newnsx]

Compact High-output Engine Block

The S2000 engine block is a one-piece, open-deck aluminum-alloy die casting. Of special note are the block's FRM (Fiber-Reinforced Metal) cylinder liners cast integral with the block. FRM is a composite material consisting of carbon fibers embedded in an aluminum oxide matrix (aluminum oxide is a ceramic material used for spark-plug insulators)

[nonsoundflux]

Yeah cool, so your cylinders will hold up. Until your rods give in and your crank snaps after 20,000 miles from the excessive power that CHO engines are NOT meant to take. They're for high compression naturally aspirated applications only. Oh, and watch out for that valve float after 7,000 RPM or you're gonna be replacing that engine anyway. Stick to B-series for Honda racing.

[leo530520]

Shadowboost (3 months ago) marked as spam

mr2 was tuned, s2000 wasn't, as simple as that

that's right u can heared it out from the mr2 sound.

[z0neseek]

honda is crap, mr2's are sick cars. that is all

[peteyj88]

I think the proper race here would be an AP2 S2k against this MR2. I also don't think that the MR2 is stock...I think its sounds like it has a blow off valve when he shifts the first time and I know that those MR2's didn't come with a stock blow off valve.

[onyxaltezza]

there was no BOV sound.

[honfrv]

toyota sucks really ... no handling nothing ... just a name ...thts all

[onyxaltezza]

hence the mid engine lay out correct? Ignorant noob.

[eightysixpanda]

Does anyone actually know what the specs on these two cars were when they ran or you guys were just guessing. Heck, they could've both been stock.

[TakataDome]

s2000's are meant for track racing

thats why the chassis is really small

and its light

and the mr2 reminds me of an integra

from the back atleast

[qmtran]

mr2 are meant for track racing. look at the layout buddy, its a mid/rear. the 91 was purely a sports car. people cant drive and kept on crashing so in 93 they modified the suspension so regular people could handle the car better. seems as both were mildly tuned. exhaust/intake and the little parts. AP1 = 250 hp, SW20 = 200hp

[MidWestTuners]

ahah.

all these jealous honda haters.

get a grip, with money, any car can be fast!

[Shadowboost]

mr2 was tuned, s2000 wasn't, as simple as that

[tanhauserr]

or... the mr2 couldve been a post 94... power was about equal between the two cars.

[Skiline99]

bloody hell you need ear protection to drive that mr2! Fast tho!

[s604]

what does ap1 mean?,.. . .

[sutatscom]

AP1 is the manufacturer's chasis code.

[Ikhanbbb]

hondas suck ass

[LOVETOYOTAS]

Im not suprised the Toyota won it would beat a Honda any day.

[JspecMistertwo]

Honda's are gay

[canadadog]

mr2 forever, the sleeping giant

[QVOMAESTRO]

MR2 Powa!

[ChristianM17]

our hondas are made to be tag whores lol

Once you're it though u'll never tag us back

[pkr150]

haha same size engine, not much in it. Got Vtec!

[griff3n69]

mr2 won

[s604]

who the fcuk won

[fusionchicken]

are both cars stock?

[sutatscom]

Both are mid tuned.