The wax bullets are used extensively in cowboy action but of course those are single actions. The firing pin issue all depends on the age and manufacturer on the 1911 in question. The older guns without interrupters could break I suppose. I was just very surprised the first time I made a glue bullet by how well they shoot.
Too labor intensive and the wax is too soft to work well. I'm sticking with hot glue for safe indoor practice. Just by a cheap used Lee double cavity bullet mold in the caliber you need. The bullets turn out real nice and are resilient enough to be reloaded several times. For .45 cal. guns all you need to do is cut a section off a large diameter glue stick and use it as is. If you use small pistol primers you will get great results and minimum noise.
I believe the Army uses something similar to this with brand new recruits so they don't kill each other with their rifles, not sure though, just what I heard.
@TheDesertsItalian I think it's called simunition or simulated ammunition. It's like a paint ball round and the gun is modified to shoot it and cycle properly. I could be wrong, but I think the company that makes the stuff is out of Canada and they will only sell to law enforcement and military. The gun conversions are very expensive too.
@AccurateWayz I've never tried that. That would probably make it louder and faster, which would make it less safe. The whole point in this is to be quiet and safe for indoor use.
@starknife It isn't about the difference in materials, there is no cutting happening.
The extractor has to snap over the rim of the cartridge if you load like he did in the video. If you load from the magazine, the shell slides up under the extractor, and there is no stress on it--by the way, extractors are made from hardened steel, which further work hardens and becomes brittle when subjected to stress.
If you want to turn your defensive tool into a single shot affair, that's your business.
@nominalvelocity I've used these things in my .45 acp a lot and the extractor ejects the case fine when I work the slide. How could it be damaged? Too much use? I've shot thousands of rounds though it without any damage to the extractor.
@Zardoz215 Hey Zardoz, it's not the ammunition part that's going to be a problem, that's fine. Thing is, unlike many rifles or shotguns which have different extractor designs, pistols usually need to have the case rim slide under the extractor as when you load from a magazine.
If you load directly into the breech, the pistol's extractor has to snap over the rim, and yeah, they can chip, bend and break when you do that. If you load from the magazine, you'll never, ever have a problem.
@Zardoz215 I agree about the glue sticks. I do have the 2 cavity Lee bullet mold and have made several glue bullets. This video was made before I owned a bullet mold and before I tried that. Also, people tell me that breech loading will hurt the extractor. Maybe it can? I dunno. All I know is that I've done it thousands of times in different pistols and never ever had a single problem with an extractor. I HAVE however, broken a 1911 firing pin from dry firing it, which I am told is safe to do.
Very nice. Gosh I envy your right to bear arms. Europe is just castrating it`s own citizens gunwise. You can`t imagine the red tape involved if you just want to own a gun. (carrying is scifi) Anyways Sir, i have another question:
I imagine some wax to tay in the gun. Do you clean the gun after this practice in the regular fashion, or is there some wax specific tricks involved?
@blacksilkblacksilk It's a damn shame what they've done to your gun rights over there. I hope eventually new leaders are elected that actually trust their citizens and give them their gun rights back.
The wax doesn't really build up much and it doesn't melt. The primer going off does get the gun dirty though, but really not much dirtier than firing regular ammunition. I just clean the gun after I'm done.
It will in a pistol that has a short barrel, but I don't recommend taking a .22 bullet apart. The reason for that is because if you accidentally mash the rim of the case as you are taking the bullet out of the case, it could go off, causing the brass case to fly apart like a small grenade. Caution should always be used when handling any ammunition.
Neat concept, but i prefer simunition, but i guess if you can't get ahold of it this is another way, what kind of residue does it leave in the barrel?
I never heard of simunition till you said something about it and I googled it. This is something I use to do 15 years ago to shoot my 1911 at home. You do get fouling in the barrel so I run a brush through it every 20 shots or so. I also shoot at paper targets with an old pillow behind it and am able to reuse the wax bullets until they deform or just fit in the shell case too loose.
I used ONLY the primer. The wax bullets are so light weight that it don't take much to get them moving pretty fast. This was actually a pretty hard wax, I can't crush it between my fingers, but the bullet I fired in this video went through the box and hit the wall behind it. The wax bullet was mushroomed out pretty good. These are great for quiet home target practice.
The wax bullets are used extensively in cowboy action but of course those are single actions. The firing pin issue all depends on the age and manufacturer on the 1911 in question. The older guns without interrupters could break I suppose. I was just very surprised the first time I made a glue bullet by how well they shoot.
Zardoz215 2 weeks ago
Too labor intensive and the wax is too soft to work well. I'm sticking with hot glue for safe indoor practice. Just by a cheap used Lee double cavity bullet mold in the caliber you need. The bullets turn out real nice and are resilient enough to be reloaded several times. For .45 cal. guns all you need to do is cut a section off a large diameter glue stick and use it as is. If you use small pistol primers you will get great results and minimum noise.
Zardoz215 2 weeks ago
I believe the Army uses something similar to this with brand new recruits so they don't kill each other with their rifles, not sure though, just what I heard.
TheDesertsItalian 8 months ago
@TheDesertsItalian I think it's called simunition or simulated ammunition. It's like a paint ball round and the gun is modified to shoot it and cycle properly. I could be wrong, but I think the company that makes the stuff is out of Canada and they will only sell to law enforcement and military. The gun conversions are very expensive too.
jboritzki 7 months ago
@jboritzki Yea it's paintball i think. Nonlethal, but shows up on a target.
This is pretty handy, if i wasn't 15 and owned a gun, i'd definitely try this, thanks for the upload :D
TheDesertsItalian 7 months ago
have you tried a little powder? maybe a few grains? Wonder how it would work
AccurateWayz 9 months ago
@AccurateWayz I've never tried that. That would probably make it louder and faster, which would make it less safe. The whole point in this is to be quiet and safe for indoor use.
jboritzki 9 months ago
this is retarded really how are you going to compare this nvm its just plain stupid
dragmav71 1 year ago
@dragmav71 What is stupid?
jboritzki 1 year ago
@dragmav71 no its not at all fik fuk its for practicing without live rounds so maybee beginer shooters can practice
pyronathanpyro 11 months ago
Yeah, I dig the wax bullet thing, but loading your pistol like that is pretty hard on your extractor. It's not really meant to work that way.
nominalvelocity 1 year ago
@nominalvelocity The extractor is steel, and the cartridge is brass. I'll never understand this argument.
starknife 4 months ago
@starknife It isn't about the difference in materials, there is no cutting happening.
The extractor has to snap over the rim of the cartridge if you load like he did in the video. If you load from the magazine, the shell slides up under the extractor, and there is no stress on it--by the way, extractors are made from hardened steel, which further work hardens and becomes brittle when subjected to stress.
If you want to turn your defensive tool into a single shot affair, that's your business.
nominalvelocity 4 months ago
@nominalvelocity I've used these things in my .45 acp a lot and the extractor ejects the case fine when I work the slide. How could it be damaged? Too much use? I've shot thousands of rounds though it without any damage to the extractor.
Zardoz215 2 weeks ago
@Zardoz215 Hey Zardoz, it's not the ammunition part that's going to be a problem, that's fine. Thing is, unlike many rifles or shotguns which have different extractor designs, pistols usually need to have the case rim slide under the extractor as when you load from a magazine.
If you load directly into the breech, the pistol's extractor has to snap over the rim, and yeah, they can chip, bend and break when you do that. If you load from the magazine, you'll never, ever have a problem.
nominalvelocity 2 weeks ago
@Zardoz215 I agree about the glue sticks. I do have the 2 cavity Lee bullet mold and have made several glue bullets. This video was made before I owned a bullet mold and before I tried that. Also, people tell me that breech loading will hurt the extractor. Maybe it can? I dunno. All I know is that I've done it thousands of times in different pistols and never ever had a single problem with an extractor. I HAVE however, broken a 1911 firing pin from dry firing it, which I am told is safe to do.
jboritzki 2 weeks ago
You really shouldn't drop the bullet in the chamber to load it but rather use the magazine. You can eventually end up with extractor issues.
tranquildeath 1 year ago
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Very nice. Gosh I envy your right to bear arms. Europe is just castrating it`s own citizens gunwise. You can`t imagine the red tape involved if you just want to own a gun. (carrying is scifi) Anyways Sir, i have another question:
I imagine some wax to tay in the gun. Do you clean the gun after this practice in the regular fashion, or is there some wax specific tricks involved?
With best regars
silk
;-))
blacksilkblacksilk 1 year ago
@blacksilkblacksilk It's a damn shame what they've done to your gun rights over there. I hope eventually new leaders are elected that actually trust their citizens and give them their gun rights back.
The wax doesn't really build up much and it doesn't melt. The primer going off does get the gun dirty though, but really not much dirtier than firing regular ammunition. I just clean the gun after I'm done.
jboritzki 1 year ago
so i assume you wouldn't load the same amount of powder as a normal bullet?
sevendeadly69 1 year ago
@sevendeadly69 You don't load any powder. Just the primer propels the wax bullet.
jboritzki 1 year ago
you should try and get the fps of it, also do you use all the origonal gun powder or less?
zammystavez 1 year ago
@zammystavez
There is no gunpowder used at all. Only the primer is used. I'd like to know the FPS too. I would guess it is around 600fps.
jboritzki 1 year ago
@jboritzki would it work for a .22
zammystavez 1 year ago
@zammystavez
It will in a pistol that has a short barrel, but I don't recommend taking a .22 bullet apart. The reason for that is because if you accidentally mash the rim of the case as you are taking the bullet out of the case, it could go off, causing the brass case to fly apart like a small grenade. Caution should always be used when handling any ammunition.
jboritzki 1 year ago
@jboritzki no ive taking some apart already i no an easy way to do it
zammystavez 1 year ago
@jboritzki I've set off a .22 without a bullet using a hammer, didn't fly or blow into pieces at all.
AdmiralGST 1 year ago
Neat concept, but i prefer simunition, but i guess if you can't get ahold of it this is another way, what kind of residue does it leave in the barrel?
ltsky311 2 years ago
I never heard of simunition till you said something about it and I googled it. This is something I use to do 15 years ago to shoot my 1911 at home. You do get fouling in the barrel so I run a brush through it every 20 shots or so. I also shoot at paper targets with an old pillow behind it and am able to reuse the wax bullets until they deform or just fit in the shell case too loose.
jboritzki 2 years ago
I used ONLY the primer. The wax bullets are so light weight that it don't take much to get them moving pretty fast. This was actually a pretty hard wax, I can't crush it between my fingers, but the bullet I fired in this video went through the box and hit the wall behind it. The wax bullet was mushroomed out pretty good. These are great for quiet home target practice.
jboritzki 2 years ago
hey!!
did u use only the primer?
or the powder as well?
that was very quiet
gimador 2 years ago