Magnetic Monster

[johnnyxp64]

wth? no 720p?

[RomeFell]

Dr. J needs to wear a suit and tie. I feel like I'm getting a science lesson from a World of Warcraft highschool dropout.

[hrbear]

@RomeFell The miter doesn't make the Pope :)

[ActiveStorage]

"these filaments are form when cold gas from the core of the galaxy is dragged out into wake of the rising bubbles blown by the black hole"

okey. now everything is clear.

somebody show me some real science. please

[didjabringadidjalong]

this IS real science.

the black hole spews material out, which causes a wake, similar to a wake in the water caused by a boat. this wake drags the cool gas along, stretching it out into these filaments as it surfs the wake into space.

[GeminiAzules]

Watch that dr's adams apple when they do the close up while hes speaking. it just goes up and down.. up and down..

bet hed be good at that song, ' chocolate rain '

[Battlehammer0]

I like it!

[gettuff2]

There are three actions that are peculiar to the Personality of Godhead. Generator, operator and destroyer. These can be understood by us as they deal with the material atmosphere with which we have plenty of experience. Everything in this existence has a beginning middle and end and we should endevour to find out the root cause of these things rather than go on with life and death just like sheep.

[gettuff2]

The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from him, such as this material world are perfectly equiped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the compete whole is complete in itself. Because He is the complete whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He still remains the complete balance.

Sri Isopanishad, invocation.

The Absolute Truth is not to be speculated on. The Vedic sciptures are teeming with evidence.

[SCRYER1973]

What does that mean?

[gettuff2]

Which bit?

[SCRYER1973]

What does god mean? At first glance this may seem to be a rudimentary question but many believers hold differing ideas of god.

What is the evidence?

[gettuff2]

You have asked a question of very great importance but I cannot understand wheather you are baiting me or you genuinely want to understand, so I would like to ask something of you. What is your understanding? Do you see a great intelligence behind creation? Do you understand that the nature of material existence is full of suffering? Do you have an understanding of who you really are?

This subject has been taught from the beginning of existence and is not an easy thing to find or realize.

[SCRYER1973]

My reason for asking you to define god is to better understand what you meant by god in your previous comment. The language in the invocation of the Sri Isopanishad is mystifying because it presupposes a god or consciousness without any explanation for how it came to be god or conscious. A set of beliefs are built upon a premise. The premise is presumed true and no evidence is provided to prove the premise true.

[SCRYER1973]

What is your understanding?

-Concerning creation I believe we evolved from a common ancestor.

Do you see a great intelligence behind creation?

-No.

Do you understand that the nature of material existence is full of suffering?

-No. We are a speck of carbon on a rock orbiting a typical star. The majority of material objects like stars, quasars, nebulae don't suffer.

[SCRYER1973]

Do you understand who you really are?

-This tactic of making a point by asking a question is slightly tricky. Questions bury presumptions within the interrogative syntax. This makes me syntactically want to structure my answer yes or no. It takes a certain amount of rhetorical fortitude to realize that I can question the question by saying, "Your question comes from a false presumption."

[gettuff2]

The reason I asked wether you were baiting me is because it is easy to waist considerable time replying to people who really don't want to know. However I will humor you a little. Please first understand that I have no envy toward you. If I say something that offends you then I appologise, it is not meant to. I am happy to help you understand things from a different perspective but I have no expectations of you.

First I will ask you to explain wether or not you want to grow old, get sick +die?

[gettuff2]

These factors are fundamental to material existence. No wants to suffer, so we get an education and go to work in order that we will be fed, have shelter and entertainment. Nobody does anything to make their lives worse on pupose but still we see people are still afflicted by various sufferings. (please try and extrapolate as I am slow at typing)If you have a question about what is suffering then take it that whatever comes to us out of our control you can say is suffering. Sorry this format sux

[gettuff2]

It takes forever to get simple points across.

If we can nail this point then we can move on to other points you have bought up, belief, common ancestors, universal intelligence, the difference between humans and quassars,presumptions and false presumptions,retorical fortitude etc.

[SCRYER1973]

Okay. I was only curious as to how you personally define god.

[gettuff2]

A comment seems to be missing. I will wait some time, it may appear.

[SCRYER1973]

Do I want to grow old?

Sometimes. Other times I don't.

Do I want to get sick?

No.

Do I want to die?

Not in the foreseeable future. But I think there will come a day when death will be a blessing. Eternal life would be a curse.

[gettuff2]

If material existence was natural for the conscious being then he would not have any problems accepting birth disease old age and death. The fact that no one person relishes these things is a clue that there is an existence which is devoid of such things. We simply have to search it out.

As for your take on eternal life being a curse. If eternal life in this body is the subject then I can't think of anything less relishable. Imagine what it would look feel and smell like after a few hundred yrs

[gettuff2]

One thing is, if I may say. Don't be hasty to try and understand these subjects. Give yourself some time and try and deeply contemplate the subject. It is not easily understood. Our material mind is in an impure state due to our contact with material nature so it does not easily agree to help us in this science.

[SCRYER1973]

I was only interested to know how you define god.

[gettuff2]

The Supreme Personality of Godhead.

[SCRYER1973]

The fact that no one person relishes these things is a clue that there is an existence which is devoid of such things.

-How do you test this claim?

[gettuff2]

There is an antethesis to everything. One thing can be understood by it's opposite. Everything that is concieved in the mind has an existence in the subtle plane. Nothing exists that was not first conceived in the mind. Therefore every material object has it's existence in the subtle plane. The mind is drawing it's information from the antimaterial plane which is the consciousness within.

[gettuff2]

The consciousness is the symptom of the soul and the soul being the antithesis of matter has it's existence in eternity. Therefore everything in material existence is a perverted relection of that eternal realm and can be understood in that way.

[SCRYER1973]

Nothing exists that was not first conceived in the mind. Therefore every material object has it's existence in the subtle plane. The mind is drawing it's information from the anti-material plane which is the consciousness within.

Your answer to my question doesn't empirically validate the manifestation of an existence devoid of suffering and death. You have made more assertions to support your claim of eternal existence yet these assertions of subtle mind and anti-material planes lack evidence.

[SCRYER1973]

In order to prove the veracity of your statement these planes must manifest in the material universe.

Should these planes exist but outside the scope of our observation then there is still no good reason to structure the meaning of life around these claims.

If we can't detect, observe, or study their properties in the material universe then we certainly can't detect, observe, or study them anywhere else.

[SCRYER1973]

I defend your right to believe and to express your beliefs. With me you have a comrade in arms when it comes to religious freedom. I believe you are sincere in your claims. Perhaps one day science will vindicate your claims but until that day I can't believe your claims are true.

[gettuff2]

Thank you for your kind and intelligent words. It is a fact that metaphisics cannot be tested by the imperic senses, just as mind itself cannot be touched, heard, tasted or seen, still it can be detected by it's action. Similarly as a minute portion of poison is unseen in the body it can be understood by it's action. My friend, do not place too much emphasis on the senses. They are so you can exist in this world, but they cannot be totally relied on. C

[gettuff2]

Just as the eyes cannot see all light in this spectrum or the ears are unable to hear all sounds still we can understand something by them. The soul apon parting from the body remains undetected by the senses but it's action(consciousness) is percieved by it's absense.

As I mentioned earlier. It takes time and great intellectual effort to start to percieve these facts. Some people can accept the existence of the soul due to past life activity but some are just begining to see.

[gettuff2]

As a side issue. Is the "science" you speak of real science? I am lead to believe that science means "hypothesis and experiment" but I see in so much so called science the experiment is constructed in order to prove the hypothesis. Even archeology covers up anomolous finds in order to perpetuate the "theory" of evolution. I hope you can see through the actions of those with hidden agendas (either by design or through ignorance) and start to understand who you are and why you are suffering.

[gettuff2]

I hope you fare well my friend. Tamal Krsna das.

[SCRYER1973]

I am lead to believe that science means "hypothesis and experiment" but I see in so much so called science the experiment is constructed in order to prove the hypothesis.

-That isn't science. Science is the pursuit of truth. Scientists who rig their experiments are bad scientists. When a scientist publishes a paper it goes through peer review from other scientists in the field. Fellow scientists attempt to reproduce the results from the experiment.

[SCRYER1973]

If the results cannot be reproduced under the same conditions this calls into question the veracity of the claim being made.

Even archeology covers up anomolous finds in order to perpetuate the "theory" of evolution.

-Can you refer me to anything in the peer reviewed literature that details these anomalous finds?

[SCRYER1973]

-What hidden agendas? Evidence for the existence of god would be the most important discovery of the human race. The scientists involved in this history making discovery would become heroes. I don't see any good reason to believe a conspiracy exists to conceal proof of god's existence.

Since you're making these affirmative claims the burden of proof rests on you. If you can't provide proof or evidence beyond assertions then your claims don't deserve to be taken seriously.

[AlecsDeLarge]

Agreed

[gettuff2]

God has been known since the beginning of creation. Veda Shastra is given at the beginning of mans existence here. The existence of something precedes it's nonexistence. God has existed since time immemorial and is only forgotten by a few. Since he eternally exists then the burden of proof rests on those who claim nonexistence. Veda Shastra proclains His glories in great detail and thier conclusion is irrefutable. Man however claims his nonexistence in order to enjoy His property.

[gettuff2]

Conspiracy does not necessarily mean performed with malice. As I said ,"Either by desighn or ignorance". Ignorance of the depth of a subject can bring one to make conclusions that are incorrect. Philosophy is a broad subject and requires qualification to enter into. Just as it is not possible to perform brain surjery after reading some books similarly it is not possible to comprehend the depth of this matter while disqulifying oneself by taking intoxication, eating meat,and engaging in sexlife.

[gettuff2]

One cannot see clearly with an impure mind. The mind has to be cleansed by proper yoga practice and when purified the truth can more clearly be seen. If you look at a reflection in a dirty mirror then it is difficult to clearly distinguish the object veiwed however when th kirror is cleanses the object becomes clear. In the same way a mind that is only interested in matter will only see matter.

As I have said before, take your time and let things sink in.

[SCRYER1973]

You approach your understanding from a different place than I. You are approaching cosmology from a philosophical perspective. I'm acquiring knowledge through evidence-based science. You are at odds to prove the veracity of your claims.

[gettuff2]

Your evidence is collected through the senses which are imperfect. How is it possible to aquire perfect knowledge through that which is defective? Surely the best authority on a subject would be the creator of that subject. An artist is more attractive than the art.

You should know that all kinds of knowledge aquired through the senses is imperfect. One wishes to know when and how the universe came into being but we cannot search out our own beggining through our senses.

[SCRYER1973]

You continue to rely upon your mental faculties when deciding whether we agree or disagree. You use your brain to judge the validity of the Vedic Shastras. I agree that our senses can fail us. This means you can't know you're perceiving god because your senses may be deluding you.

Science doesn't stop at the senses. Information must be gathered and experiments must be done to reproduce evidence under the same conditions multiple times by many scientists to confirm the truth of a hypothesis.

[gettuff2]

I have no real disagreement with you. But I will say this; the real search is for our selves. Without knowing this what can we really know? Our primary goal should be to discover who we are and not pretend to know the begining of creation by speculating. The self can be known through the scientific process of Bhakti Yoga and none other(in this age). When you know yourself, then it may be possible to know the macrocosm. How is it possible to know anything for sure when you don't know who you are

[gettuff2]

Therefore our fist duty is to find ourselves. Otherwise we will be just like ghosts inhabiting this body with no idea of it's purpose. We will think that to staisfy the senses or the mind is the aim and object of life but when we are forced to give up the shelter of this rare and valuable human form we will discover otherwise and again be forced into another womb in some species of life or other and continue with our sojourn. So give up this childish mentality of lording it over material nature.

[gettuff2]

In your last reply you stated "This means you can't know you're perceiving god because your senses may be deluding you". and that is exactly whta I have said before. The senses and mind MUST be purified by Yoga practise in order to percieve the real self. In that illuminated state it is possible to see everything clearly.

Every faculty you use for the purpose of so called science relies on the senses or extensons of the senses and is subject to fault.even the mind and intelligence..cont..

[gettuff2]

..are products of material nature and are fit only for functionin in this world. The real mind and intelligence of the indiviual sould is covered by material substance and cannot be utilised in the polluted condition. By yoga practise one can purify the mind and intellect and then see clearly.

[gettuff2]

If you truly believe that we are nothing more than carbon then what is the point in your trying to satisfy your senses? They are your senses not anyone elses therefore you are endevouring for yourself. Therefore you are admitting the individual state of existence, which is what I am saying.

[SCRYER1973]

The purpose of life is to create more life. This is a biological fact as well as a sociological fact. We have to take care of our basic needs. We eat, sleep, procreate, form families, governments, and societies in order for our species to prosper. These behaviors are pro-social and therefore benefit the group.

you are admitting the individual state of existence.

I need family, society, and friends.

[gettuff2]

When you engage in sexlife, do you know everything that is going on; how your body manufactures semen and how the eggs are held in the body of the woman, how they combine into an emulsion and the cells seperate and multiply, the emulshion forms into a plum, the plum developes 9 holes etc etc. Do you go to have sex and programme everything to happen?? or does it happen automatically???

If that is your philosophy then the purpose of life is also to breath or eat..

[gettuff2]

Purpose does not mean to understand that which happens automatically, if it did then any feature of existence that happened without our complete knowledge would be the purpose; eating sleeping mating or defending. Howevery these things are secondary, at least to one with some grey matter, and do not constitute the pupose of life. If you examine yourse4lf you will find that "love" is the only thing actually craved for by every living being. One would not be wrong in assuming that love is the goal

[SCRYER1973]

I think there is a distinction between purpose and meaning. I agree with you that purpose does not mean to understand that which happens automatically. I neither believe cells nor stars understand their life cycles. Likewise, humans don't have to understand the mating process in order to reproduce.

Truth, love, art, and music provide meaning because they help us understand our place in the world. I agree that love is important but you can't love long without food, water, and shelter.

[hrbear]

@SCRYER1973 That is correct, Data of Star Trek would answer you, since DNA, the cell, or a bacterium always seeks the moment to dublicate. The next question is about the higher species. Pickard has the answer, to self improve and increase your knowledge, and help the civilization go on. I would adopt the Pickard's opinion. I couldn't imagine myself seeding a child after the other, else I would be a...Seich with 120 children, no, I don't want this. :)

[SCRYER1973]

How do you know Yoga has purified you? This argument precariously teeters on the edge of solipsism.

[gettuff2]

On the contrary, I have already explained there are 3 features to be understood; Self, nature and the Supreme. Either you are not reading my comments or you are trying not to understand. Philosophy means to explain these three features and that is what science endevours to explain. All are trying to understand why we are here. So it is just a matter of who we accept as our authority.

[SCRYER1973]

Who is giving you this information?

[SCRYER1973]

The position I hold is that I don't know and neither do you. I am comfortable with not knowing. For all I don't know the universe may not have an origin. The universe may infinitely regress to other forms of matter and energy. Positing god as the universal cause for existence explains nothing because I don't know what you mean by your definition of god(The Supreme Personality of Godhead).

[gettuff2]

There is a good book on this subject. Hidden history of the human race.ISBN 0-9635309-6-8. And another Forbidden Archeology, by the same authors. However you should know that everything is held within the Vedic Shastras. More evidence than you could shake a stick at in a lifetime.

[gettuff2]

One must remain in an unchanged position in order to percieve change in an object. From this you could hypothesise that ther is difference between the feild of activities(body) and the knower of the feild of activities( described as the antimaterial soul). Is it possible for you to percieve the beauty in the universe because you are distinct from it.

[gettuff2]

Your perception of beauty is based on individuality, you are an individual person so is it difficult to understand that the creator of percievable beauty is also a person?

[gettuff2]

So if even the peers cannot detect a mistake then it is automatically the truth. Actually the real understanding of the Truth is; "That which remains the same under all curcumstances" Everything in this creation has a beginning and an end, therefore the real truth cannot be ascertained in this creation with senses made of matter. All the experimentation in the world will not lead to the truth.

Another matter. Research and experimentation are an admission of ones ignorance as they are for ..

[gettuff2]

those who do not know! So if one is experimenting in order to find out some thing he is admitting to his foolishness.

Something to think about!

[gettuff2]

What a pain in the ass. I wrote 6 comments and only three were posted.

[SCRYER1973]

This comment seems disjointed from your other postings. I am unsure if your exclamation "those who do not know!" is an indictment of some kind. Testing a hypothesis to determine its veracity isn't foolishness. Knowledge is acquired through experimentation. Knowledge is not gifted.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

-Carl Sagan

[SCRYER1973]

I agree with your definition of truth. However, the majority of your comments are assertions. Assertion: a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason: a mere assertion; an unwarranted assertion. Your assertions lack evidence to justify your conclusions.

You said: Everything in this creation has a beginning and an end.

-I don't know this to be true. The law of the conservation of energy states energy can't be created or destroyed.

[gettuff2]

From the inside of a deep well it is impossible to know exactly what is happening on the outside.However one who is on the outside can give instruction and that is the process. Therefore I take instuction from liberated souls who are fully aware of the nature of matter and the nature of spirit. when one hears from an authority in the right mood he can then test it for himself. If we try to understand the naturee of matter with our tiny brains we will simply become bewildered.

[gechyt]

Impressive natural phenomenon. The nature is always a source of infinite surprises...

[gettuff2]

It's certainly wonderful but wouldn't it be even more wonderful to know whose nature it is? Surely the artist is more than the art.

[clearfox7]

What if this "artist" didn't actually create the art from scratch peice by insignifiant piece but merely set the canvas and paint up and let the art make itself, much like a paint-splatter painting, seemingly random but perfectly organized into a brilliant piece of art anyway.

[gettuff2]

If you search for millions of years travelling at the speed of mind, you will not reach the edge of this tiny and insignificant universe. Similarly if you travel inwards for the same period you will not find the root of existence..

If you examine with an unbiased mind any part of nature you will see that it is an artifact of mind, the Supreme mind. There can be no question of this it just requires a little intelligence and humility.

[soaringman]

very cool, great vid

[CousinoMacul]

That zoom in was very well done.