Added: 1 year ago
From: o1OpTiMuS1o
Views: 18,374
Sort by time | Sort by thread (beta)

Link to this comment:

Share to:

All Comments (347)

Sign In or Sign Up now to post a comment!
  • Alex is a Jew or a shabbas goy. Case closed.

  • So many fucking nazi's on youtube.

  • So what if he has a Jewish wife? So what if at one time he did support the state of Israel? I know what his current views are & that's all I need to know. This is obviously a hit piece by a Jew hating racist & a Jones hater. Did you know that the great American Patriot Aaron Russo was Jewish? I don't support Zionism but I do support Alex Jones. o1OpTiMuS1o is no doubt a neo-Nazi Jew hater &I suggest you stay far away from it. I wouldn't be surprise if he turned out to be a Jew.

  • Holy shit, what racist crap.

    Alex Jones changes his virws/beliefs as he learns more of the NWO/bankster/crony-capitalist/­status-quo DEVILS.

    If they're Jewish or not, ifit impacts America, then look out cause Alex isn't taking your crap anymore!

  • I hate Israel, dirty jew cunts

    jews should only be in one place, the oven

    dirty fucking jews its ashame hitler never got to finish the filth off

    GIVE PALESTINE BACK THIEVING CUNTS

  • @steven8hamilton I hate racist's, dirty nazi cunt's.

    THe Jewish GOVERNMENT should give back Palestine, the PEOPLE have NOTHING to do with this political corporate bullshit. it's WRONG to hate an entire country for the actions of a government or it's politics. DON'T HATE THE PEOPLE, HATE THE GOVERNMENTS!

  • @steven8hamilton Google Anna Baltzer. Should she also be exterminated?

  • @CANNEDCOCAINE Do not fall into the old "good Jew" trap. Some Jews like Anna Baltzer pretend to be anti-Zionist Jews so that you will think that some Jews are good and Zionists, not Jews, are the problem. I'd bet money that Anna Baltzer has drank the blood of Palestinian children while she was supposedly "protesting for human rights" in Israel. She is a Jewess and therefore a demoness. NEVER FORGET THAT!! DO NOT LET JEWS LEAD THE ANTI-ZIONIST MOVEMENT!!

  • @LettersOfCentinel76 Not sure if idiot or just trolling.

  • @CANNEDCOCAINE The only people who are trolling are Jews like Baltzer and Finkelstein, etc. All these anti-Zionist Jews serve only ONE purpose, to control the dissent. So long as JEWS control the anti-Zionist movement it will ALWAYS be ineffective.

    Baltzer promotes the Holohoax lie, claiming that her grandparents were gassed and turned into pillows and bars of soap by those wicked Nazis.

  • @CANNEDCOCAINE Baltzer also promotes "non-violent resistance" and encourages the Palestinians to use this "tactic". Non-violent resistance means putting down their weapons and letting her Israeli brethren butcher them all. When kikes butcher your family, steal your land and drop white phosphorus on your children you do NOT respond with pacifism. You pick up an AK or strap a bomb to yourself and KILL THEM BACK.

  • @LettersOfCentinel76 That's moronic, because all that does is incite more violence from Israel which is an incredibly powerful incredibly organized nation which has the resources and the weapons and soldiers to mass-exterminate the entire Palestinian population.

    Also, ever heard of Gilad Atzmon? You Jew-hating freakshows are idiots.

  • @CANNEDCOCAINE So you think that self-defense is moronic because all it does is "incite more violence"? Enjoy your slave mindset. Any man that would let his enemies kill his family and steal his land is a faggot. I don't care how powerful Israel is......they bleed like we do, their children bleed like our children do.....an eye for an eye.

  • @CANNEDCOCAINE And yes I have heard of Atzmon. Just another self-serving kike who wants to lead the anti-Zionist movement. I guess I should bow down and thank this brave Jew for teaching a stupid goyim like me......The only idiots are pro-Jew anti-Zionists. Its like being anti-AIDS but pro-HIV, pure nonsense. Zionism is a logical extension of the supremacist death cult of Judaism.

  • Alex wants to keep his stupid job. He will kiss Jews ass forever.....

  • Alex wants to keep his job.

  • Real Americans support Israel!

  • @rockergod789 and smart people don't

  • We Jews will sodomize you trash soon hehehhehehehehe hail Satan hail israel

  • Alex--just because your Juice wife is boss, why are you such an asshole wimp. JEWS (juice) are evil basturds---no wonder Alex is fearful of them--like many others--dead or band from radio/TV just because they expose them beasts of prey. Al major conflicts/wars/invasion have beeen forced upon the world by greedy Jews. Wars don't have to be won to make large sums of money--check out--most Military hardware companies are Jews--Even Hitler and company were zionist Jews (Ashkenazi regime) {:^/

  • Alex your truly an american POS. Move to israel traitor

  • AJ dont talk much about Iz Unreal. I say anything that awakens debt slaves is a good thing no matter what the agenda is. A critical mass of humans that will reject the false debt through issue of money and the extorted theft called tax which is the population control tool. I am a sovereign individual as are all humans. Yet some slaves need masters may their chains be light and their immoral conduct be forgiven them.

  • Jews Get out of America now or Face ww2 again.

  • jews stole the land get your facts right alex

  • Jones is a fraud. But to be fair, this video looks old as Alex looks pretty thin in it. Today he is a total lard ass.

  • Alex jones is a terrorist.

  • The sheep who think they are no longer sheep.....are STILL sheep.

    I have knoiwn Alex Jones was a fraud for many years.

    This snake even made the incredible statement that "The Ayraabs OWN Hollywood"

    Jones cultists are pathetic.

  • Comment removed

  • If someone happens to be a Jew it doesnt mean u can hate them thats fucking racism, u dont chose how you are born that statement discredits your viewpoints that i agree with, RACISM is evil,

  • Comment removed

  • @SecretActivator Racism is a false left right paradigm. As is war. Those who fund both sides and fan the flames sit on the sideline to enslave the weakened winner as debt slaves. The most evil humans on planet earth, THe ROT childs, often use this tactic to make humans do war, genocide. I do not support the occupation of Iz Unreal nor any hate-group that claims they are superior and their invisible god is superior making every other sovereign human and their beliefs inferior.

  • Interesting fact GCN which gives Alex Jones a voice on the radio is an affiliate of ABC/Disney. GCN is owned by Ted Anderson who just happens to be President and CEO of Midas Resources, a gold broker. Alex Jones is trying to work people up and get them to riot so the globalists have a reason to usher in a police state.

  • This doesn't prove anything, it's a soundbite and it's impossible to discern what he is saying without contextualizing it. It's not long enough to do that.

  • @o10pTiMuS1o That's right! The time for Edom to pay for her abundance of sin is at hand. Edom (the 'Jews') are enemies of the Most High, who pretend to be his children and practice otherwise behind closed doors. The Talmud is the most disgustingly evil and wicked book.

  • @haroos The Sephardim Jews and the Ashkenazi Jews are the two main racial branches of modern Jewry. Even the Jewish encyclopedia says that " Edom is modern Jewry". Everyone who reads the bible knows what Most High says about Edom. He has said that He hated Esua and his descendants, the Edomites.

  • @prettiblackbuttafly (ALL JEWS)

    GENESIS 36:43- "Esau was the father of the Edomites." (JEWS)

    Romans 9:13- "As it is written, Jacob I have loved but ESAU I HAVE HATED."

    ISAIAH 34:5- "For my sword shall be bathed in heaven; Indeed IT SHALL COME DOWN ON Edom, And on THE PEOPLE OF MY CURSE, for judgement."

  • @o1OpTiMuS1o This is an old video bro, Alex himself has said that he's changed his opinions on a lot of things over the years (he's also said that in the past he was much more involved in the left/right paradigm).

    So Alex Jones from 20 years ago liked Israel. Who gives a fuck?

  • @haroos The portion which moved into Spain and later northward acheived considerable wealth and prestige which they still enjoy to this very day (And does not fit the prophecies of the true Israelites). They are known as "Sephardim Jews", a mixture of Judean blood with that of Edom, Syria, Canaan, Phoenicia and N.Africa.

  • @haroos These are the Judeans or "jews" who killed the Messiah. As judgement for their sins, they were cast out of Palestine in 70 a.d , whereupon the fled into N.Africa and Spain and converted many of the Berber tribes to "Judaism".

  • @haroos They are decendants of the Idumeans who were not Judeans from the beginning, but afterward being subdued by the Judeans, were compelled to be circumcised and to unite into one nation and be subject to the same laws, they were called Judeans.

  • @haroos If anyhistory was invented here, it's the history of the "Jew-ish" people as Israelites. They have infiltrated a culture, called it a "religion", and disguised as well as deluded themselves into believing that they are entitiled to a land that was never theirs.

  • @haroos The majority of these people call themselves "Ashkenazi Jews" and are mostly German and Polish. The Khazars were never "Semites". They were an Asiatic Mongoloid nation whose ancestry is traced back to Japeth, not Shem.

  • @haroos Why would you make assumptions that there is a "story here" or that I have a need to " invent a history"? Obviously, you have limited knowledge of the people who occupy Israel and claim to be descendants of biblical ancient Israelites. This is a false belief.

  • to be honest i don't know.

    doesn;t he blame israel for 9/11 ?

    then either he had a change of heart about israel, or he was never a supporter of israel.

  • @haroos

    Alex Jones absolutely does NOT blame Israel for 9/11.  He blames..."Dick Cheney and the people above him".

  • @FreedomFlotillaTwo I've read a lot on the subject when I started to learn about black's history BEFORE american slavery. America would have us all believe we are "africans". I was curious and started to look up some things and found the original hebrews of the bible were a black skinned people. These people now in Israel are imposters.

  • nice report. check out our movie on the flotillas and Gaza

  • How in THE HELL could it be their land when most of them over there are Turks?! Fuck outta here alex! The Ashkenazi "jews" CONVERTED into Judaism in 740 a.d. They are Idummeans, phoenicians and Syrians from the beginning. They are the Edomites. Enemies of true Israel.

  • @prettiblackbuttafly where do you get that info. from?

  • wow i never knew very interesting,still have more research to do but wow!!!!!

  • fuck I hate that fat prick of a traitor, when the shit hits the fan he will be one of the first to get hung.

  • gee what a freakin surprise JOnes, YOu are a fat POS, what? do ya still tell people that arabs own hollywood? You are one stupid fucker and a terrible liar. Fuck you Jones, Teach your wife to shave her moustache, then her back, fuck off

  • That isn't even Alex Jones. Alex Jones is WAY fatter.

  • There is no more gullible people, then AJ fanboys.

  • Wrong! Humans have decleared them terrorists.

  • lol @ all his fanbois

  • I don´t agree with everything Alex Jones says or stands for, but he´s been openly critical of Israel for the last few months. The other day he stated on his show that the US shouldn´t be supporting Israel, that the US alliance with Israel is damaging the United States, and he went to so far as to suggest that Israel could have played a role in the 9/11 attacks. He also said he´s an "agnostic" regarding the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. People change their opinions from time to time.

  • @IntoTheHeartOfMusic Woopdi doo! He is still a Zionist shill.

  • I see an israeli paid troll ˅˅˅˅˅˅˅˅˅˅

  • The so called "Palestinians" of today

    do not represent a nation or people,

    merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis.

    Their ideology despises both,

    the Land of Israel and the People of Israel.

  • @ThePrideOfIsrael You say that are animals right? But what made them to become such beasts >?

  • @Wazztheweasel

    Trying to denigrate me ad hominem

    merely exposes your frustration and ignorance.

  • @ThePrideOfIsrael ow really ?

  • @ThePrideOfIsrael 2 pac Hated Israel btw.

    You even know why he was killed ?

  • Comment removed

  • @DeutscheKreuze what do you mean ?

  • i'm not his fan, but this video is fake, the UN never declared that israelis are terrorists, it's totally the contrary

  • @renatonigro yes they did and no its not a fake alex jones tard

  • @renatonigro The video isn't fake, Alex Jones is fake. Get it straight.

  • I support israel and the jewish people returning and living in their ancient land also, thats why it was called the 'promised land' It was promised by God Almighty and no man or any army can change or alter a promise from God.

  • @bigcoolviking I hope that ALL of them will move back from civilization to asian desert

  • @bigcoolviki

    Jews were twice ejected from Jerusalem as Nebuchadnezzar and Titus who destroyed Jerusalem and Jews were banned from Jerusalem by God for their lawlessness.The Khazars(Gog and Magog) invaded palestine when there are already palestiniand living there for centuries. God is not a real estate agent that he will ever permit to kill civilians and steal their land. The convicted fellon scofield wrote a bible and manufactured prophesy to engineer this illigal invasion.defeat is inevitable.

  • Thats all true, like Yasser Arafat said! There is no Palestine or Palestinian people.

    So true.

  • This isn't Alex, He never was skinny (only as a kid), and before infiowars he was even bigger than he is now.

  • @hussman101 god you people are retarded cult members

  • @o1OpTiMuS1o Look at his facial features, compared to this guy's facial features. And show me a vid where this mans face is not covered up by giant red writing. you cant show me, so your the retarded cult member.

  • @hussman101 here you go no red letters sorry your god Alex is a Zionist married to a Jew with dual citizenship to Israel watch?v=hijJ8EXFsp0

  • @o1OpTiMuS1o how dumb are some people. he is live in front of their eyes. sayin shit. and they

    "dont beleive it"

    lol, whats wrong with these freaks

  • @hussman101

    This is AJ. Have you ever seen the movie he released in the early 90's? He was, in fact, this skinny.

  • @hussman101 Have to disagree on Alex always being heavy.I've seen video of him& when he was younger he was much thiner.But his pro-Isreal pitch don't match up with his anti feelings these days.Franlkly,whether or not it's him in the vid I'm disappointed in him.He seems to have gone quiet on 9/11 truth. Lately he's making a living bashing Obama. Does he think Ob.was involved in 9/11? I've haven't heard him say it.No problem with bashing B.O, but if 9/11 doesn't get solved, we've last the country.

  • Alex Jones -- giving you unsubstantiated news tidbits and sensationalism since 1997. He speaks because the world needs to be more AFRAID and PARANOID nowadays.

    Really people...see past this...the dark powers that be use him to help spread fear and anxiety into peoples hearts. You will escape their control, not through fighting, but through letting peace and serenity back into your hearts..

  • doesnt surprise me one bit .I realized this guy was full of shit when he stated that hollywood was run by the arabs.

  • ***ALEX JONES EXPOSED***

    *

    *

    *

    alexjonesexposed(.)wordpress(.­)com

    *

    *

    *

    ***ALEX JONES EXPOSED***

  • @ZOGcorp wow nice1, a few pictures of him as a goat...

  • thank you so much!

  • this is defamation, and havin you to reply only confirms ur jewish lies about a true american, grow up man, peoples reputation isnt a game

  • @maokly1 What's defamation? Alex is the only one talking in this video clip. Ever heard of someone outing them self?

  • this is not alex jones, it is all propaganda, thats jews ultimate weapon

  • @maokly1 it is Alex Jones dont be another Jonestein tard face the truth

  • Alex "Windbag" Jones wife is a jew. Yes she is. According to the lying Alex JoneSTEIN is Hollywood owned by the ... Arabs. Yeah right! Any five year old yid kid can tell you that the JEWS owns and controls Hollywood lock, stock and barrel. " Jews totally run Hollywood." --By Joel Stein, Jew, December 19, 2008 LA Times.

    watch?hl=en&v=B8Z9NouFgTM

    incogman net

    Real Jew News c-m

  • Excellent links, thanks.

  • this is fake thats not alex

  • @maokly1 yes it is

  • @o1OpTiMuS1o u guys are unbelievable goto infowars or prisonplanet and see how alex looks like

  • @maokly1 hey goof this was before infowars

  • @maokly1 before alex got to be the 800 lb gorilla

  • @o1OpTiMuS1o

    800 lb gorilla

    LMAO!

  • @maokly1 Alex was skinny in his younger years lol

  • Comment removed

  • "You sold us OUUUUUT."

  • 911 is a big issue. There is no need to start attacking another man's wife and family to prove your point.

  • @Uncle5cary Yeah, cause you know, it's only about Jones' wife and his family (sarcasm).

  • This proves that Alex Jones is a two faced lying piece of sh***t

  • @AnatolianAmerican theres much more proof than just this im updating the attached info

  • The late great Bill Cooper was right !....he knew Jones was a big mouthed fear mongering BS artist and said so on radio many times before he got taken out . It was Bill Cooper who predicted 9/11 on his own radio show in June 2001 (Cooper said " something BAD is going to happen on USA soil in the next few months, and it wont be a Bin LADEN nor any other arab groups that do it ") But Alex fucking Jones has being bragging that HE was the one who first predicted 9/11 on his show HES A BLOODY LIAR

  • Yikes! How did it become their land Alex? lol

  • i lost all respect for this fatass hillbilly

  • he is a jesuit

  • jones is a jewboy shiller from manilla

  • Alex Jones is a Zionist Israeli Shill

  • i was allways suspicious on jones.i think that his agenda is to manipulate the awake ppl and direct their attention from the real threat (cionists) to some imaginary enemy,goverment or no matter who,just not the real enemy

  • @astifan1 exactly why hes there for disinfo - hes a zionist kike scumbag

  • @astifan1

    whose the imaginary enemy? The federal reserve? Or you just smoking rocks?

  • @nolan067 not my,his "imaginary" enemies are goverment ,big firms,and secret societyes.by imaginary i think that its not precise enought.real ememies are zionists behing govement firms,secret societies...and btw watch your tongue,it is to long.we know that they are ruining western society by design,and we want forget that never

  • I am shocked, I was fan, tonight finished!

  • @MsStellina12345 haha why?? hes right..

  • Comment removed

  • Alex Jones you had me fooled for years :/

    i have woken up now!!!!!

  • @GS212301

    For new people "awakening", AJ is a good source. However, you must take all information you find with a grain of salt and stay objective, as well as not rely on one person or source for all of your information.

  • So when was this video recorded, about 14 years ago??? Give me a break.

  • @charleshroberts What does the age of this video have anything to do with the veracity of what Jones stated?

  • @MsStellina12345 nothing he will always be clearly loyal to Israel it shows every bit in his actions and words as they are today

  • @MsStellina12345 Can you be more specific? Are you inferring that Alex Jones no longer supports the state of Israel?

  • @charleshroberts

    Amen.

  • Jones outed big time. I always knew he was a fraud and a disinfo agent,

  • Behold!

    Alex Jew Jones

  • Alex is a Zionist agent, now I believe!

  • Great retort from an Israel lover, who always miss the point. The point is, NO country should be permitted to annexe another, and then have the audacity to rule the others in politics, religion, health and daily lifestyle.....that's GENOCIDE, RAPE and APARTHEID. ANYBODY in the world who thinks like that, then acts like that, is merely an arsewipe!

  • This is a really old clip and Alex Jones has changed his ways..He is not so naive now..You wont hear him say this today..

  • @danieltowsey Yeah, he is not so naive now in the sense that he knows not to bite the hand that feeds him. He is the same Alex Jones today as he was in this video.

  • @danieltowsey Your damn right you won't because word is getting out he's a zionist agent and it would cause a huge uproar. Look, his advertisers are jewish, the station owner is jewish, xm/sirius is owned by jews, his wife is jewish, and even his lawyer is jewish. He has recently made some lame sounding criticisms of Israel but Alex 'arabs own hollywood" Jones knows which side his bread is buttered on. The smart money doesn't trust him worth a damn.

  • Sorry Alex, but the Truth is, Israel does NOT exist! It's not even a valid word. Palestine was there long before Israel, even in the Bible. Now if you wish to refute the Bible, you don't have the knowledge to do it, but I do! In fact, I could disqualify EVERYTHING that ever came from your mind or your mouth. Bloody Redneck. Nothing changes in the US, just a bunch of bloody rednecks who stole the country from the natives....just like Israel! Get the hell back to Europe!

  • @JudgeBluey Comparing the bloody Israel occupation with Native Americans is absurd. Natives in North America get free land and government cheques. You are insulting Palestinians.

  • wtf... how Can Ron Paul support this fat freak? My life is ruined :(

  • Old History--WWI WWII was all about the creation Israel.Put that aside. Agter wwii,UN was created by Americans for the sole purpose to finalized the creation of Israel.

    Uncle USA Scam with the Othlesschild's money, doled out millions of dollars to each UN country on the condition they vote for the creation of an Abortion-Pissrael. Majority of UN Bribed members voted and approved. One problem for A.J.--UN never ratified the creation of }srael.USA upto 1940 ally of Nazi Germany-Stinks? U bet :^(

  • @geo1671 Correction: Ruthlesschild's and After WWII Side note: Good cop Bad cop both pukes. Now look closs , compare AlexJones to Rush Limballs--Could be Jewish.Alex's father was a dentist--most are jews. Alex's wife is Jewese--Only mary their kind.

  • Wrong,Alex.That land belongs to the Palestinians and you know it. If you're going to go down that road of supporting israel no matter what they do then you're going to loose credibilty with alot of your supporters.Don't get off into that" all governments are corrupt crap"and "it's the NWO and Trilateral Commission" .You well know world-wide jewery is behind all these organizations including the Rothschild family.Do yourself and the American people a favor,Alex,and don't become a zionist shill.

  • @donsaiditwoud

    that horse has left the barn ...

  • Happy Israel

  • Alex Jones is a fraud. Why are you people so gullible. Alex Jones' show is on corporate radio. Do you really think the system would let him operate freely if he was actually against them? Fools!!

  • this pretty old , Alex was a young man than , he's entitled yo grow =

  • I'm shocked ! .....maybe just young and stupid at the time......I think he's grown up now.

  • REASON & EMOTION;

    This Alex Jones YouTube video clip is old. Alex Jones no longer supports the anti-christ Israel state. He talks about this in his DVD video called '9/11 THE ROAD TO TYRANNY.'

    Private Investigator Sinne

    U.S.A. Washington

  • Most of Jones' critics were at one point listeners of his show. Not only that, they were listeners towards the beginning and when he was made. Many of Jones critics were his fans in the "911: Road to Tyranny" days. So, they have been familiar with Jones for many years, long before all Jones' newbie listeners arrived. Take their experience over the novelty of the newbies. Mostly, they havent got a clue what they are talking about.

  • @UltimateWarrior65 You have left two of the more rational replies I've read yet. Did you catch Jones show when he was distributing them to any CPC cable outlet? His sponsors in San Diego, well the more vocal of them if there were more than just him, was a supposed Atheist jew turned christian, a most illogical of twists. Somehow Jones was there at many U.S. military training exercises to tape and comment to stir up the big brother take over fears. Can't forget his biblical beast gov future doom

  • I suppose Alex supports the use of DU weapons on children as well!

  • No, it is not their land. That nation was created by the globalists from the bloodshed of WWII. William Cooper was right about this clown.

  • I don't get how people can stand, listen to this Ass!!!

  • Alex + Jones= Mossad Fraud

  • This guy is not playing with a full deck. Israel is an invading European force. They are not even genetically Semites so their racial argument is a non-starter and of course anyone crazy enough to believe that point to a scripture in their "holy book" allows them to commit genocide should be shot on sight. Kill the fucking Jews.

  • It is the Jew's land and any godless moron who denies that can go to hell. Amazing just how many nitwits there are who get caught up in anti-zionism hysteria. Anybody who hates a national state for the Jews is a punk for the United Nations and the internationalists who will enslave the entire human race in borderless totalitarian police state.

  • @MQ1611 Hysteria?? You mean to read and understand the jewish penned prophecies they claim to have faith in never happened,,, so how do you justify what has been developed into an israel, before this supposed gods prophecy(ies) have come true? In their christian version they talk of the fakes like these posers, and yourself. All actors playing out these goals some fraud penned long ago.

  • @MQ1611

    Do white people get a national state like the Jews do? No, they don't. All White European nations are being invaded by an endless flood of non-white third world immigration.

    Now shut the fuck up.

  • wow, so he's a zionist cock sucker with israeli jizz running down his cheecks and chin. What a fat waste of space. So he's a fascist trying to take of the tea party movement. We know your game scumbag, go back to your homeland since you love it so much.

  • @OpalSerpent Yep. Better to go back to Fox News then.

  • for crying out loud! How old is this clip?

    He looks 15!

    Have you listened to him lately?

    It's pretty disgusting when you have to go back 20 years to get dirt on somebody.

  • @redgreen303 Actually it makes more sense to go back in time. That way, you get to see what makes Jones tick, what makes him tick before what any of his advertisers or handlers say.

  • @UltimateWarrior65 ..Good point, but when I was much younger I too thought that Israel could do no wrong. I thought they were the last great Democratic bulwark in the Mid East. I was wrong. But, I believe it has to do more with the leaders of most of the nations who more and more are admitted Luciferians, I don't single out a race or front religion for bashing. Doing so is counterproductive and just what our illumanated brothers want us to do. Focus on THEM not on each other.