I do agree on there looks like there is a change going on. Largely because of social media. Bought the terrorist act and the rose-response in Oslo are spurred by social media. In a larger context this is not unique. Look at the Arab spring revolution, the Orange revolution in Ukraine, the tea party movement in the US, the occupy Wall Street are just some examples of what is happening cause of social media.
"as far as I know'...obviously he doesnt know much. he said this , ad nauseum, many american indian nations met war with peace, many jews, many groups and creeds.....what does he even mean?
So, will we soon see anarchy in Norway? Remember, Gandhi was an anarchist, which is the non-aggressive approach. Ghandi didn’t send fighter planes to attack in Libya like Norway! Get real!!!
I'm from Norway - to all you guys talking about Norwegians being racists, intolerate to muslims etc. - there will always be those who will never change, and I agree the reaction would be completely different if it was a Muslim, but that's not the point. The thing is - we now realize that it just as well can be "on of our own", and that there's no reason to fear muslims more than anyone else. And I think 7thplanes means that: the world now knows there are other ways to react than just revenge..
Sorry, but I believe that he is getting the treatment he is getting because Norway is mostly against Islam and immigration. If he had been a Muslim this would be ending differently.
And who would they take revenge on? The Vatican? This is a silly response in my opinion.
I correct myself, Everything does not APPEAR to have changed, especially in the way some of the people in the comments below expect. But the fundamental structure has changed because of these choices. I understand and agree with you.
You're very right! I should have written: "our leaders or men in power are the ones that do not care about killing civilians in all these wars financed by the TAXES of the citizens that, actually, do not care at all where their money will end up!". I also care and am concern about all those criminal acts of NATO, of which NORWAY and CANADA are part. I, as a Canadian, feel our leaders have betrayed all of us! Canadians are also engaded in the killing of people under the flag of NATO & the UN.
Thank you. You are right. The boundary has been crossed, and whether or not people are conscious of it, the structure has changed. I can offer similar examples, but the one you picked is a good one. No, EVERYTHING has not changed, but it will.
@360relations Everything HAS changed because the the consciousness that was the foundation of everything has now been unalterably changed as a result of the choice that Norway made! It may still appear in the so called real world that most everything is the same but it is not. Perception is reality, the world will just appear to take some time to catch up in a way our egos and conscious minds can accept and allow. Because the consciousness has changed then on some level everything has changed
A little early to pat yourselves on the back... In many places in the US people were hugging each other in the streets too after 9/11.
And maybe ponder how the Norwegian response would be different if it WAS an Islamic terrorist? Maybe part of the outpouring response is guilt driven? I know many norwegians are racist, or at least quite intolerant of immigrants. Think back for a second and see if you have ever made a sly remark or poor joke about immigrants? And start there - with yourself.
@MartinPoverud Streets of Oslo filled with love? Thats SO bullshit. I'm norwegian and myself got tired of all this terror stuff about 5 hours after the shooting. And due to my attitude about this action i almost got beaten up by people who were doing the rose march because i didn' agree with their feelings.
Imo Breivik killed the wrong people, still too many douches in Oslo
i wonder if norway's reaction just might have been different if this hideous atrocity had been carried out by an islamic extremist...the fact is that it was carried out by a lone nutcase with his own twisted agenda means that there is no easy target to enact revenge upon...i am not trying to be provocative-i was deeply upset by this awful crime.i think the reaction of norway has been dignified and appropriate but if breivik walked down karl johans gate he would be torn limb from limb.
NORWAY is working for NATO, and is doing criminal acts in Africa and Afghanistan, at this very moment, but no one cares.....no European feels ANY PAIN at all because of those countries.
So, NORWAY is not innocent at all of international crimes!
Anyway, any act of TERRORISM is very sad, even this horrible killings in Norway.
But, not do make us believe that NORWAY is innocent of ANY international crime!
@Aaandreyh You are right! No one is perfect! We all think we are doing the BEST we can!
When the killings are far away, in other nations, in other countries, and everything being paid by our TAXES, it's less painful than when the killings are done in our own home. Most European and American citizens are unware of the crimes against humanity committed by their own governments & armies, everywhere, daily, with the blessing and authorization of NATO, the UN or the Vatican. We all are predators.
@Manikhayya We are all just humans. I am norwegian and i highly oppose all of our military activity, and I am in no way alone in this. Noone is claiming Norway is in any way better unless they are being an arrogant asshole in general. The point is that we can all at least try to strive towards some positive goal, and not just view every effort as being futile.
I care for Afghanistan, I could ofcourse engage myself more, but saying that NO ONE cares is highly exaggerated though.
Thank you for your beautiful words <3 I am so proud of my fellow norwegians, who have covered the country in roses and candles and love, instead of giving hate the opportunity to rise!
Wow. Comparing us with ghandi. I am SO proud of being a norwegian. Thank you for making this video. Let's get the message out to the entire world! Not the message about the attacks, but the message on how Norway is reacting!
Continuing last... Of course, we are all sad here, and my condolanses goes to the families of both the mentally challenged shooter/bomber and all of the innocent victims, wich I can't imagine the horror of their last minutes. I wish upon this man his death, so we won't be bothered with the media writing his name all the time! My wish is for everyone to remember the names of every victim in front of remembering this idiots name! But before this, he has to realize what he has done.
Every man in Norway believed we had a jihad-bomber on our hands after the explosion, espesially when some islamistic group take credit for what has happened! Truthfully, this was one of our own people, borned and raised. And the disbelief of this rose through the country. Raising hatered trough some of course, and the rest wanting to realize what just happened! If this had been a islamistic group, say al-quaeda, the situation and the handeling of it would have been very different.
Thank you, 7thplane, for your thoughts into words. More reasons to be proud of my Norwegian ancestry...its people truly have a different sensibility...in the very best sense of different=unique=positive.
Hi! I am touched by your words. I am from Norway, and I did not know any of the victims. But I felt the nations sorrow through my soul. It hurts that anyone could do this. Still, I am so proud of my country and all of the other nations who shared our pain. We all came together and wept for them and loved eachother for them. It really gives me hope for the world in the future. It is a long way to go, but I really think we are on our way to come together as one people, all over the world.
Thanks for speaking so nicely about my people. The only way to understand Norway is to be native to the country. Norwegian hates when other Norwegian makes something of themselves. Jealousy is a big problem in Norway. In Scandinavia there's a unwritten law called the jantes law. If you become something bigger than a factory worker people are going to make sure to make your life a living hell. Seeing Norway from the outside is the same as seeing the glorified picture of the US in Europe.
@kukeskei Thank you for making my words count even more. You just proved that what I typed is true. A typical Norwegian response by someone who is affected by the jante law.
@TheWakeUpBroadcast You have a foolish mouth. The law of Jante was written by a norwegian author, the anti-law of Jante was also written by a norwegian. You should not stigmatize an entire people.
@AnaNord I only speak the truth. If you can't handle it that's you're problem. There's more cons than pros in Norway when it comes to the jante law. "Don't even think you're something !" is typical Norwegian. Another one is "Who the hell do you think you are?". NRK and TV2 are feeding the nation with useless brain dead entertainment. I am so glad I am not addicted to that crap.
It is normal to run when there's an emergency. People do not respond anymore like did they in the past. Chemtrails are a big problem to over Oslo. Of course a zombie will fight to protect their lord toxic. The few who still can think for themselves will be hunted down and called liers, conspiratorial fools and much more. The bombing in Oslo was a MK ultra beta test to see how the chemicals in the air is affecting people in a crises. Soon we will see another event like this one. Turn of the TV.
I am Norwegian by descent. I do reside in Sweden for those who check my profile. Please with all do respect. With so much aspartame, fluoride and other compounds in the water and food, Norway is a perfect example what is going to happen to the rest of the world. A nation of zombies. Just take a look at the footage after the bomb explosion, people where walking around like in trance. They barley moved when told to. I love my country but the toxic crap out there is making Norway loose it's soul.
Thank you for your inspiring words, you make me proud to be Norwegian, and you inspire me to change into "the light from the North". I've shared your video on FB, and I hope it will reach every single person in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Cause I can promise you, the Swedish and the Danish people would react the same way if they were faced with the same horrible act. May the light from the majority shine and give warmth to the few that are feeling absorbed by darkness.
I give thanks for this video for I believe a genuine shift in consciousness is truly beginning to become reality for the human race. We are all one. We must learn the path of love.
Though this event was the worst tragedy Norway has seen since WW2, and I have no respect for the man who did it. I must say that with the reactions from the people of Norway, the prime minister and so on, I truly think something very positive has come from this. So much love and compassion being shown is very impressive, and that certainly proves that Behring Breivik failed in his attempt to create fear and hate. It makes me proud to be Norwegian!
Norway is in no way a hippie nation. Though after this event, according to the psychological principles of commitment and consistency, we might be in for a mass shift in the collective psyche towards it. It's like a surge of locals agreeing to recycling after a regional paper prints an article that portrays them as environmental concious. It's not a bad thing, but it's definitely a trend to come spawned from a single event and not the other way around :)
I am not falling for this. If the killer was Muslim, Norway would have reacted and racism would have probably attained a higher level than where it is currently standing. The simple fact of the matter is that Norway found out quickly that it was one of their own and had no choice but to accept it, what other options were available? Enlighten us. Norway did not react because it simply couldn't react, just like any other country when a matter is of an internal nature,
@Jagermeisteren Unfortunately, the US was not as forgiving nor loving The only reason I myself would not want such an evil doer to face death is because I believe he would be back one day soon and do something even worse. His soul needs time in confinement to gain the light and heal from his ways.
I do not believe in this soul-reincarnation mumbo-jumbo, but death penalty would let him off too easily, he deserves to serve hard time where the other inmates will hate him and give him a really hard time for the rest of his life. But, he might die (from cancer) from the fumes he inhaled while making his bomb within a few years...
When the prime minister first uttered anything about the attacks, it still was not clear who had attacked the nation. Still he rised a message about "more democracy, a more open society, piece and love." So who knows, maybe it would?
@DarthV1985 At some level your are right. And most ppl did probably think it was some kind of jihad terror, after the news of the bomb. Thats no the point though. If u want to know what Norway thought in the first few minutes/hours after the attack, there is no standardized "true" answer, but as close as we have one, it should be what our head of state, primeminister Jens Stolenberg said, BEFORE the utøya shotings was known: " Our respons to terror is more democracy!" He atleast spoke my mind!
I agree, and I am very impressed by our brothercountry,- I'm from Denmark. I want to add one comment though about the japaneese, I heard from an english journalist from CNN in Oslo. The way the norweigians reacted, reminded him a lot of the japanese people after the tsunami. No anger, only calm and quiet sorrow. And yes, the tsunami was caused by nature and not by man,- but still, it is easy under such surcomstances to point your feelings out, forinstances to the politicians, but they did'nt:-)
I really don't want to sound like an ass here, but when you say that we don't want to take revenge, what do you mean exactly? Who can we revenge? The guy was Norwegian ... we can't really take revenge on our own country, but other than that, GREAT VIDEO and thank you for caring :-)
Food for thought - thank you so much! As an old hippie (I'm 54) I've often quite flippantly said:
So what's so wrong with Peace, Love & Understanding?
Today I'm immensely proud of this whole nation - most notably the very many young people and the way they have handled this. There's hope yet! One of the escaped victims at Utøya - a young girl - said, when asked about what she felt about the perpetrator, surprised the journalist with her answer: I fell sorry for him!
I'm not norwegian, but I live in Norway and I love this country, because I feel home here. Norway has given me what my country can't give me... a home. Shame on you, that found this day to criticize your country!
@MrHowieboy68 I don't think so. Every norwegian, including the major ethnic ones (as me) knows that muslims in general do not allow violence. We live with many of them in our cities. Most norwegians knows that Islam is a religion of Love too. Just as much as Christianity. If you do some research you will find that the Bible have a longer list of capital crimes than the Quran. Wiki is enough to research this. You will find more death penalties in the old Bilble than in the Quran. Peace :)
Norwegian don`t have anyone to hate, except Anders Behring Breivik, the lone terrorist. So in stead of pointing our anger towards a group or the arrested terrorist we are joined in the grief with and for the victims.
After world war 2, we re-introduced the death penalty so that we could executed every traitor, fellow norwegians and germans.
Norwegian women that had a relationship with a german soldier had her hair cut, and clothes ripped of..on the streets and then loaded, naked up on a trailer and driven up and down the street so that everyone could see them.
People spitted on them, yelled at them..and worse.
Their children with german fathers was not allowed to go to school or play with other children and was taken to orphanages...
Are Norwegian the nicest people in the world? Not likely!
@MrHowieboy68 First of all, you don't refer to the history entirely correct. And this was 1945 after a 5 year long war with Germany. Lots of hate was present in those days. And exactly the same happened in Denmark. And in France, in fact even worse (death penalty). France had a lot more of women fallen in love with a german. And all this because of love between two people? Anyway brother, let it be .. it's history and as so something we have learned from. It will never happen again. Peace :)
@RavensEyeMedia I will give you a link to a poem by Nordahl Grieg called "Til Ungdommen". This poem has also been set to music. The norwegian singer Herborg Kråkvik (also recorded it years ago) sung this on the peace gathering in Oslo om Monday 25th. The public also sung this spontaneous before the appeals started. I was there and sung it too. And sung with Herborg. It's a strong poem. It's has strong words. Words of Love.
wikipedia org/wiki/Til_Ungdommen (insert the missing dot)
Thank you for these kind words <3 I live in norway and I'm very proud that we all have come together this way. It's even a facebook group for the mom and family of Breivik, they have also suffered in this tragedy and need all the support we can give them. A mom wil always love her son and should not have to feel guilty about that. I also hope we learn from what has happend instead of forgetting about it. We need to prevent it from happening again, not with revenge, but with knowledge...
You should allso know that many of us norwegians has learned the way of "peace and love" from our politicians and fellow citicens trough this happening. I think the whole situation would be different if the norwegians "replublicans" (FRP) where leading Norway now.
@tep200377 I don't agree, I vote for the "republicans" (FRP) myself and I believe that all our politicians are good people. Yes, I'm very Proud of how our PM has dealed with this situation, but it is the people that has come together...One single person had the idea to make a rose march, not our politicians...
Thank you so much for your beautiful words! I promise, as a norwegian, to always do my best to live up to the standard my nation and fellow norwegians set on July, 22. Sending all my love to all corners of the world!!
Thank you so much, this really made me cry. I share this with some of the victims, it won't diminish the pain, but perhaps give some meaning that makes sense ;-)
Thank you so much, this really made me cry. I share this with some of the victims, it won't diminish the pain, but perhaps give some meaning that makes sense ;-)
I need to tell you what one of the survivors from Utøya in Norway said after the attack : " If one man can show that much hate, think of how much love we can show together". ♥
I'm sure that the killer is not alone. A dark, evil and very powerful force is standing back him. They have manipulated the human race from the begining. Now is time that humanity say stop to the evil. Oslo shows that the people of this planet don't let themselfs anymore be manipulated and finally choose love, peace and light.
Lets hope and pray that this can be "the 100th monkey" that Michael Ruppert explains in the documentary "Collapse". With critical mass, the peace and love can quickly spread like wildfire. Libertas.
I live close to Oslo. I've talked to people about being safe walking the streets now. I still haven't met anyone who says it's more dangerous than it used to be, which is normally close to nil. Many even say it's more safe now than before. Because of the love. It's in the "air". I've felt it too. People now watch out for each other, care more. Norway is changed to the better. We made a common decision. We raised the Norwegian positive consciousness. We hope we raised it for the World.
I'm from Oslo and this is stupid, but i get the point.when someone slaughter people they should get a real punishment,not a luxury stay in the Norwegian prison.I also understand that people think it's good with forgivness andd all that, but when u kill almost 100 people u should get the death penalty with out a doubt.Not everyone desurves forgiveness Our prime ministr wount even say his name.hats ridiculous.The politicians in norway is a bunch of pussies and thats why it was so easy to attack us
@heiafclynoslo You're wrong. The openness we have in Norway is something we don't want to loose. We don't want armed police (police is normally unarmed in Norway) walking in the streets, do we? We don't want to have fences everywhere, do we? We want our democracy too. Our Prime Minister has a lot of guts going for more democracy and even more openness. And all the other politicians are there right behind him. So do the vast majority of the population. We even encourage it. We all talk about it.
@bluez56 Maybe u think I'm wrong, but I stil think Norway should increase the security. (yes i mean that the police should have guns). That would save lives and that's whats matter..:) If u think about it the shootings could never go on that long in for example USA. and I don't think we need fences...That would be an exaggeration..And I'm so sick of people don't want to punish people the way they deserve just to do "the right thing"..Ask the victim's families think the openness was worth it!
@heiafclynoslo The brutal slaughter at Utøya is the very evidence to the contrary of that. Guns don't save lives, they take life away. The reason the shooting went on for as long as it did was because of two factors: 1 the bomb he detonated was meant to be a big distraction and 2: because the government have been downsizing the funding to the police quite a bit the last few years they didn't have the manpower to react faster.
@heiafclynoslo If the police should decide to wear guns then the criminals also would decide to wear guns which the majority of them don't do in Norway. We would end up with the same kind of insecurity as in the US. We would end up with more dead citizens. Weapons is a false security. As for punishment I leave that to the authorities and the laws. That is a important part of a democracy. And he will be punished. He will probably never again be a free man. The "add 5 yrs" option will be used
@bluez56 obviosly the criminals wear guns and this is a perfect example of why the police need it! Doesn't people see that!? It's also many countries that have officers carrying guns that are not like the US. And yes I know he's not getting out alive, but I don't think doing time in a Norwegian prison is a fair punishment for this man.
@heiafclynoslo As for the victims families and what they think I cannot speculate. But I can and I have seen what they publicly say in the media. As a example the young daughter of "Mother Utøya", one of the 2 first victims of the shooting stated on national TV. She said something like "Do not let hate into your hearts. Instead, show more love for your family and friends". A young person saying something like that in front of a whole nation is a very strong message of Love. I'm proud of her.
@bluez56 Yes, I agree that that is big of her, but ofcourse this man needs his real punishment!? jesus christ.. We can still love and support eachother at the same time we set an example of what we do to terrorist like him, and give him the punishment that he deserves. a good friend visited me yesterday and he got a call where someone told him a good friend of him was killed. I can assure u that he agrees with me.
@heiafclynoslo Why all the questions and talk about punishment? We have a democratic system, a law and a court. He will never get out of prison. He is charged for terror attacks against humanity and most probably that will sentence him to 30 yrs. After the 30 yrs he can be retained for another 5 yrs if the court decides that for the public safety. After another 5 yrs .... Do you think he ever will be a free man? Don't worry more about him. Don't think more about him. Just forget him.
@bluez56 I already know that and u keep repiting it.. I KNOW he will be in jail for the rest of his life, but that's not a punishment I'm satisfied with when it comes down to what he did. Why all the questions about punishment?Ofcourse because I want justice. The prisons here are a joke and everyone knows that. I think just forgetting him is a bad way dealing with this and it's easier said then done. at least for me. I guess we just should agree to disagree!
@heiafclynoslo I understand your feelings of justice. I really do. You, I, we are all in pain and sorrow. We think about the horror of the victims and their families/friends. It's very strong emotions. But think about it. Revenge is a counteraction which itself can lead to other actions. Going into hate creates hate. Going into Love creates Love. Revenge is a emotional illusion that our pain will go away. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Pain can only be cured with Love my friend.
@Daafty Hei Daafty. Ja ikke sant. Den kommentaren blir stående i norgeshistorien for alltid, og Jens gjentok den jo i talen i Domkirken. Vi kan være stolt av våre unge. Norge er i trygge hender :)
A surviving youth at Utøya said this on national TV as well as on CNN. It will be in our history books forever. Norway's Prime Minister Stoltenberg referred to it at a speech in a church in Oslo right after the terrible attack too. We're proud of our youths, Norway is in good hands into the future :)
@heiafclynoslo Not one person i have talked to has mentioned forgiveness to this guy. I have that same opinion. As far as luxury stay, well i have to say i do agree with you there to some degree, but that is also a part of the norwegian belief that we think that we can rehabilitate people who end up there. As far as death penalty, we gave up that because it didn't have the desired effect. If you look at america, the states that have it still have higher crimes than those without it.
@malcite Guns are always going to exist and it's up to people to decide for themselves if only the criminals are going to have it.U know it's also possible that they for example only hav it in their cars or something like that.And this man is not in jail for rehabilitation.He killed most likely almost 90-95 people most of them youths.He's in for life.Usually I'm against death penalty but in some cases I think it's the right thing.If 1 of the victims was in my family I wouldn't be happy with jail
@heiafclynoslo Thats just the thing. We don't have any life penalties in Norway. The highest penalty outside of the new terroract is as far as i can remember 21years. Its long but not long enough. The new terroract adds 9 more years but still not enough. Killing so many has no punishment high enough, and insanity even if it was applicable is not an excuse.
Death penalty is an easy way out for them, having them in prison for life forces them to remember and to reflect on what they did.
We call the EVIL with its true name, but we don't chose to hate the killer and kill him... because it's precisely what he wants us to do: become like him. Insteed, we choose to love the humanity, to love the people around us, to give love and support to the people who most are suffering from this tragedy, so they don't fall in darkness and drown in hate.
@LiliumAlbanicum We can still give this man a real punishment whitout forgetting to love and support eachother. It's not either/or. And I think u need to do some research on the killers motives.
@LiliumAlbanicum Exactly. There is evil, dark forces and energies. The soul of this man is evil and death for a evil soul is the easy way out. This soul have to learn and spending time in a prison will hopefully turn the evil soul towards the True Light. This is very important.
To welcome the Light means to get rid of some shadows. The more light we welcome the more shadows will disappear. Hopefully all the dark will be gone. But norwegians can't do this all alone. HELP us. We are all ONE.
His points are deserving of acceptance on the subject. Valid and worthy of reality a check. The whole point of their control has been a cause and effect. The "FICTION" trying to control the reality. It is time to STOP reacting!
Tail wagging the dog. Absolutely must listen to these words.
I'm also proud of my countries reaction to this tragedy. But there are many good reasons to keep the heaviest flattering on ice. Norway is the worlds 7th largest exporter of weapons (not considering population). We're - at the moment - participants in two wars. Norway is performing imperalism in a mordern way through oil companies and our "oil fund" (statens pensjonsfond). The largest opposition party (Frp) are preposing many og the terrorist's views in daily politics.
The situation in Norway is pretty unique at the moment I'd say.
Even in a small town of 12,000 which i live in, several thousand have gathered in memory-events with roses and torches to show love and respect for those harmed by the actions.
In Oslo i think it was about 250,000 gathered. Thats close to half the Capitol. And in the middle of it stands the king, queen and prime minister, sharing tears, speeches and love with the rest.. Really makes us feel like a huge family of 5 millions.
Thank you for your nice words. They're truly warming and flattering in a diffucult time.
But, unfortunately, I have to mention that ABB's world view (on which he based his ideology making it possible for him to slaughter almost 100 people) is a product of ideas and thoughts you find a lot of, in Norway and the western world in general.
I'm impressed by your thoughts and your reasoning and I thank you so much for understanding our reaction. Understanding how we can hold on to the notion that violence is not the answer is such a good feeling, because we rise above the meaningless acts of violence and aspire to be a nation that does not fight fire with fire.
Brilliant :) it really is a kind of Lovewave here :) We have history, and in a way, we - collectively, understand, that creating reality is about Focus.. I`m Very impressed, for a Norwegian to be :) Thanks for Shared Truth :) <3 - peter johannes -
This is the sort of measured thoughtful response that we should all take note of. The coverage of this event in the Guardian was excellent by the way. They noted that the immediate response that this was an ISLAMIC terrorist activity was "fact free" journalism. The truth was very different. It is time for all of us, around the world, to push for HONEST journalism and resistance to the Zionist hate machine embodied by Murdock
cont ...there is no need for panic. Unlike Al quida which has a hugh amount of people want to repeat 9/11.
Lesser extreme versions of his view is somewhat popular among some Norwegians. Or was, by being incredible stupid, he has now effectivly demonised anyone with who somewhat dislikes Islam and giving the parties standing allowing a lot of immigration more support.
But for someone thinking that killing kids is a solution, one shouldnt expect him to be smart at all.
Im pretty sure this would have been completly different if this was a case of jihad terrorism, and we would have seen a lot of reactions close those USA experienced after 9/11. There were cases of norwegians beating up people who they thought was muslim after the bomb explosion and before it was known that it was a Norwegian terrorist.
The fact that it was one of us, doesnt give any chance to persue and follow anyone and since there isnt like to be anymore nutcases like him out there... cont.
Im a Norwegian and I have never seen so much love in my life before. People are huging strangers in the streets. The little racism that have been seem to almost have disappeard. On monday a saw a muslim that got hunged by a stranger, given a rose and the words "We are all in this together". The streets in Oslo is covered by flowers and love and I am amazed how the people focus on supporting and showing love rather than anger, hate and revenge.. I love my people and I hope the world will follow!
Peace and love it is ! I am very proud to be a Norwegian these days , its been the most challenging week since April 9th, 1940. We`ll hold eachothers hands and ask the rest of the world to join us.
Thank you for your important wise words and support in a time where we have to stop to hate and open the hearts for the unconditional love to flow all over the planet.
All the flowers is Flower Power and the start of the Aquariuse time to come.......
I have lived in Oslo for a few years and while I share your admiration of the people of Norway in their way of dealing with it I'm a bit confused by the "revenge" you speak of... how would/could that revenge manifest itself? Who would it be directed to?
If the attack had been by a non-Norwegian I think it could be a very different story...
sweden...
jonepmyra 1 month ago
I do agree on there looks like there is a change going on. Largely because of social media. Bought the terrorist act and the rose-response in Oslo are spurred by social media. In a larger context this is not unique. Look at the Arab spring revolution, the Orange revolution in Ukraine, the tea party movement in the US, the occupy Wall Street are just some examples of what is happening cause of social media.
geosv100 1 month ago
probably closely related to the non-violent parenting styles prevalent in Norway as compared to say the UK and the US
IllichSketchShow 5 months ago
@IllichSketchShow BAWW BAWW BAWW BAWW
lb8068 5 months ago
Thank for understanding, Sir. Best Regards from a Norwegian
StuntmanKnut 6 months ago
"as far as I know'...obviously he doesnt know much. he said this , ad nauseum, many american indian nations met war with peace, many jews, many groups and creeds.....what does he even mean?
NatusikNYC 6 months ago
So, will we soon see anarchy in Norway? Remember, Gandhi was an anarchist, which is the non-aggressive approach. Ghandi didn’t send fighter planes to attack in Libya like Norway! Get real!!!
psilocyberspaceman 6 months ago
I'm from Norway - to all you guys talking about Norwegians being racists, intolerate to muslims etc. - there will always be those who will never change, and I agree the reaction would be completely different if it was a Muslim, but that's not the point. The thing is - we now realize that it just as well can be "on of our own", and that there's no reason to fear muslims more than anyone else. And I think 7thplanes means that: the world now knows there are other ways to react than just revenge..
MsSittinghere 6 months ago
THE ONLY THING THE WORLD NEEDS ARE MY BALLS
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siljemm85 6 months ago
Tusen takk for dine fine ord min venn. Thank you for those great words my friend.
ArcticRc 6 months ago 3
What are you trying to do? Become a guru? Shark the movement? You are lightyears away from the truth dude! Lay down! :(
djribz 7 months ago
Sorry, but I believe that he is getting the treatment he is getting because Norway is mostly against Islam and immigration. If he had been a Muslim this would be ending differently.
And who would they take revenge on? The Vatican? This is a silly response in my opinion.
salimchishti 7 months ago
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What do you mean about that comment "Norway is mostly against Islam and immigration" ?
TJnotDJ 6 months ago
I correct myself, Everything does not APPEAR to have changed, especially in the way some of the people in the comments below expect. But the fundamental structure has changed because of these choices. I understand and agree with you.
360relations 7 months ago
You're very right! I should have written: "our leaders or men in power are the ones that do not care about killing civilians in all these wars financed by the TAXES of the citizens that, actually, do not care at all where their money will end up!". I also care and am concern about all those criminal acts of NATO, of which NORWAY and CANADA are part. I, as a Canadian, feel our leaders have betrayed all of us! Canadians are also engaded in the killing of people under the flag of NATO & the UN.
Manikhayya 7 months ago
Thank you. You are right. The boundary has been crossed, and whether or not people are conscious of it, the structure has changed. I can offer similar examples, but the one you picked is a good one. No, EVERYTHING has not changed, but it will.
360relations 7 months ago 3
@360relations Everything HAS changed because the the consciousness that was the foundation of everything has now been unalterably changed as a result of the choice that Norway made! It may still appear in the so called real world that most everything is the same but it is not. Perception is reality, the world will just appear to take some time to catch up in a way our egos and conscious minds can accept and allow. Because the consciousness has changed then on some level everything has changed
7thplane 7 months ago
A little early to pat yourselves on the back... In many places in the US people were hugging each other in the streets too after 9/11.
And maybe ponder how the Norwegian response would be different if it WAS an Islamic terrorist? Maybe part of the outpouring response is guilt driven? I know many norwegians are racist, or at least quite intolerant of immigrants. Think back for a second and see if you have ever made a sly remark or poor joke about immigrants? And start there - with yourself.
Mosken2u 7 months ago
So true Steve. You hit it right on.
gotthetahealing 7 months ago
'Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does'
William James said that before me :)
vibben4 7 months ago
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vibben4 7 months ago
I just wanted to say thank you for your kind words. The streets of Oslo are filled with love. May it last :-)
MartinPoverud 7 months ago 3
@MartinPoverud Streets of Oslo filled with love? Thats SO bullshit. I'm norwegian and myself got tired of all this terror stuff about 5 hours after the shooting. And due to my attitude about this action i almost got beaten up by people who were doing the rose march because i didn' agree with their feelings.
Imo Breivik killed the wrong people, still too many douches in Oslo
WolfODonnelfan 7 months ago
i wonder if norway's reaction just might have been different if this hideous atrocity had been carried out by an islamic extremist...the fact is that it was carried out by a lone nutcase with his own twisted agenda means that there is no easy target to enact revenge upon...i am not trying to be provocative-i was deeply upset by this awful crime.i think the reaction of norway has been dignified and appropriate but if breivik walked down karl johans gate he would be torn limb from limb.
noclass33 7 months ago
NORWAY is working for NATO, and is doing criminal acts in Africa and Afghanistan, at this very moment, but no one cares.....no European feels ANY PAIN at all because of those countries.
So, NORWAY is not innocent at all of international crimes!
Anyway, any act of TERRORISM is very sad, even this horrible killings in Norway.
But, not do make us believe that NORWAY is innocent of ANY international crime!
Manikhayya 7 months ago
@Manikhayya
Norway's in no way perfect, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
Aaandreyh 7 months ago
@Aaandreyh You are right! No one is perfect! We all think we are doing the BEST we can!
When the killings are far away, in other nations, in other countries, and everything being paid by our TAXES, it's less painful than when the killings are done in our own home. Most European and American citizens are unware of the crimes against humanity committed by their own governments & armies, everywhere, daily, with the blessing and authorization of NATO, the UN or the Vatican. We all are predators.
Manikhayya 7 months ago
@Manikhayya We are all just humans. I am norwegian and i highly oppose all of our military activity, and I am in no way alone in this. Noone is claiming Norway is in any way better unless they are being an arrogant asshole in general. The point is that we can all at least try to strive towards some positive goal, and not just view every effort as being futile.
I care for Afghanistan, I could ofcourse engage myself more, but saying that NO ONE cares is highly exaggerated though.
Sahrinzs 7 months ago
RESISTENCE IS VICTORY
Salihovicable 7 months ago
Instead of focusing our hate on the evils of one man, we focus our love on the victims and families. It is as simple, and as difficult, as that.
SagittarianMe 7 months ago
Thank you for your beautiful words <3 I am so proud of my fellow norwegians, who have covered the country in roses and candles and love, instead of giving hate the opportunity to rise!
isilme31 7 months ago
Alt for Norge!!
hjulkapseldelux 7 months ago
Wow. Comparing us with ghandi. I am SO proud of being a norwegian. Thank you for making this video. Let's get the message out to the entire world! Not the message about the attacks, but the message on how Norway is reacting!
mjirt 7 months ago 3
Continuing last... Of course, we are all sad here, and my condolanses goes to the families of both the mentally challenged shooter/bomber and all of the innocent victims, wich I can't imagine the horror of their last minutes. I wish upon this man his death, so we won't be bothered with the media writing his name all the time! My wish is for everyone to remember the names of every victim in front of remembering this idiots name! But before this, he has to realize what he has done.
slaiza 7 months ago
Every man in Norway believed we had a jihad-bomber on our hands after the explosion, espesially when some islamistic group take credit for what has happened! Truthfully, this was one of our own people, borned and raised. And the disbelief of this rose through the country. Raising hatered trough some of course, and the rest wanting to realize what just happened! If this had been a islamistic group, say al-quaeda, the situation and the handeling of it would have been very different.
slaiza 7 months ago
Norway didn't just react - Norway chose how to respond. Norway has set a much needed example. Thank you, people of Norway!
And that is the only choice anyone really has to make, when it comes down to it - life in fear or Live in Love.
From that choice, all else follows.
Intbel 7 months ago 4
Thank you, 7thplane, for your thoughts into words. More reasons to be proud of my Norwegian ancestry...its people truly have a different sensibility...in the very best sense of different=unique=positive.
baaresta 7 months ago
Hi! I am touched by your words. I am from Norway, and I did not know any of the victims. But I felt the nations sorrow through my soul. It hurts that anyone could do this. Still, I am so proud of my country and all of the other nations who shared our pain. We all came together and wept for them and loved eachother for them. It really gives me hope for the world in the future. It is a long way to go, but I really think we are on our way to come together as one people, all over the world.
june1986ish 7 months ago 9
I really hope and I think you are right!
Many here say the respons would have been different if it were muslims behind the attacs:
Our PM did not know who was behind when he first said Norway would respond with MORE democracy and a MORE open society.
(Probably he too, at that time, had a strong suspision it was muslims).
knutschr 7 months ago 2
I think it would be a bit different if it was committed by a group of local muslims, but beautiful speech nonetheless.
HuMuSuX 7 months ago
Thanks for speaking so nicely about my people. The only way to understand Norway is to be native to the country. Norwegian hates when other Norwegian makes something of themselves. Jealousy is a big problem in Norway. In Scandinavia there's a unwritten law called the jantes law. If you become something bigger than a factory worker people are going to make sure to make your life a living hell. Seeing Norway from the outside is the same as seeing the glorified picture of the US in Europe.
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
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@TheWakeUpBroadcast Fuck off with your conspiracy bullshit, you're just as delusional as the terrorist. You're living in your own world, both of ya.
HuMuSuX 7 months ago
@TheWakeUpBroadcast idiot
kukeskei 7 months ago 2
@kukeskei Thank you for making my words count even more. You just proved that what I typed is true. A typical Norwegian response by someone who is affected by the jante law.
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
@TheWakeUpBroadcast Ah... what? You claimed that Norwegians are zombies, and when one doesn't act like one, that proves you right?
Wow, delusional much?
tingtangs 7 months ago
@tingtangs delusional? nope I don't watch TV!
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
@TheWakeUpBroadcast You have a foolish mouth. The law of Jante was written by a norwegian author, the anti-law of Jante was also written by a norwegian. You should not stigmatize an entire people.
AnaNord 7 months ago
@AnaNord I only speak the truth. If you can't handle it that's you're problem. There's more cons than pros in Norway when it comes to the jante law. "Don't even think you're something !" is typical Norwegian. Another one is "Who the hell do you think you are?". NRK and TV2 are feeding the nation with useless brain dead entertainment. I am so glad I am not addicted to that crap.
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
@TheWakeUpBroadcast
You sure do exagerate.
Aaandreyh 7 months ago
@Aaandreyh enlighten me!
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
It is normal to run when there's an emergency. People do not respond anymore like did they in the past. Chemtrails are a big problem to over Oslo. Of course a zombie will fight to protect their lord toxic. The few who still can think for themselves will be hunted down and called liers, conspiratorial fools and much more. The bombing in Oslo was a MK ultra beta test to see how the chemicals in the air is affecting people in a crises. Soon we will see another event like this one. Turn of the TV.
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
I am Norwegian by descent. I do reside in Sweden for those who check my profile. Please with all do respect. With so much aspartame, fluoride and other compounds in the water and food, Norway is a perfect example what is going to happen to the rest of the world. A nation of zombies. Just take a look at the footage after the bomb explosion, people where walking around like in trance. They barley moved when told to. I love my country but the toxic crap out there is making Norway loose it's soul.
TheWakeUpBroadcast 7 months ago
@TheWakeUpBroadcast Your zombie theory falls apart when you see the massive crowds in the streets of Oslo of people singing and crying together.
Talk about making an ass of yourself.
tingtangs 7 months ago
Thank you for your inspiring words, you make me proud to be Norwegian, and you inspire me to change into "the light from the North". I've shared your video on FB, and I hope it will reach every single person in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Cause I can promise you, the Swedish and the Danish people would react the same way if they were faced with the same horrible act. May the light from the majority shine and give warmth to the few that are feeling absorbed by darkness.
nainawest1 7 months ago
I give thanks for this video for I believe a genuine shift in consciousness is truly beginning to become reality for the human race. We are all one. We must learn the path of love.
star4evr9 7 months ago 3
Though this event was the worst tragedy Norway has seen since WW2, and I have no respect for the man who did it. I must say that with the reactions from the people of Norway, the prime minister and so on, I truly think something very positive has come from this. So much love and compassion being shown is very impressive, and that certainly proves that Behring Breivik failed in his attempt to create fear and hate. It makes me proud to be Norwegian!
finduilas85 7 months ago 15
Norway is in no way a hippie nation. Though after this event, according to the psychological principles of commitment and consistency, we might be in for a mass shift in the collective psyche towards it. It's like a surge of locals agreeing to recycling after a regional paper prints an article that portrays them as environmental concious. It's not a bad thing, but it's definitely a trend to come spawned from a single event and not the other way around :)
duffmahuff 7 months ago 2
Thank you <3
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bakerlooline59 7 months ago
So very important statement. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
MariaHalfevil333 7 months ago
I am not falling for this. If the killer was Muslim, Norway would have reacted and racism would have probably attained a higher level than where it is currently standing. The simple fact of the matter is that Norway found out quickly that it was one of their own and had no choice but to accept it, what other options were available? Enlighten us. Norway did not react because it simply couldn't react, just like any other country when a matter is of an internal nature,
DarthV1985 7 months ago
@DarthV1985
How did the people of U.S. react after the Oklahoma bombing (Timothy Mc. Veigh) in 1995?
Jagermeisteren 7 months ago
@Jagermeisteren Unfortunately, the US was not as forgiving nor loving The only reason I myself would not want such an evil doer to face death is because I believe he would be back one day soon and do something even worse. His soul needs time in confinement to gain the light and heal from his ways.
star4evr9 7 months ago
@star4evr9 My point exactly!
I do not believe in this soul-reincarnation mumbo-jumbo, but death penalty would let him off too easily, he deserves to serve hard time where the other inmates will hate him and give him a really hard time for the rest of his life. But, he might die (from cancer) from the fumes he inhaled while making his bomb within a few years...
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Trucknissen 7 months ago
@DarthV1985 .....who knows, maby love and peace would be the norwegian answer if the terrorist was a muslim extremist.
AapentVinduman 7 months ago
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When the prime minister first uttered anything about the attacks, it still was not clear who had attacked the nation. Still he rised a message about "more democracy, a more open society, piece and love." So who knows, maybe it would?
Xtractorz 7 months ago 4
@DarthV1985 Evil is evil, Muslim or Norwiegian, he is still human and I believe the good people of Norway would recognize that and feel the same way.
star4evr9 7 months ago
@DarthV1985 You are wrong.
Our PM didn't know who stood behind the attac when first declared Norway would respond with more democracy and a more open society.
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knutschr 7 months ago
@DarthV1985 At some level your are right. And most ppl did probably think it was some kind of jihad terror, after the news of the bomb. Thats no the point though. If u want to know what Norway thought in the first few minutes/hours after the attack, there is no standardized "true" answer, but as close as we have one, it should be what our head of state, primeminister Jens Stolenberg said, BEFORE the utøya shotings was known: " Our respons to terror is more democracy!" He atleast spoke my mind!
janus4k 7 months ago
I agree, and I am very impressed by our brothercountry,- I'm from Denmark. I want to add one comment though about the japaneese, I heard from an english journalist from CNN in Oslo. The way the norweigians reacted, reminded him a lot of the japanese people after the tsunami. No anger, only calm and quiet sorrow. And yes, the tsunami was caused by nature and not by man,- but still, it is easy under such surcomstances to point your feelings out, forinstances to the politicians, but they did'nt:-)
ANAStoryProduction 7 months ago
Thank you!
7organ 7 months ago
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Navitad 7 months ago
I really don't want to sound like an ass here, but when you say that we don't want to take revenge, what do you mean exactly? Who can we revenge? The guy was Norwegian ... we can't really take revenge on our own country, but other than that, GREAT VIDEO and thank you for caring :-)
OfficialCruzzada 7 months ago
Only norwegians in comments, :(
iszalgocomin 7 months ago
Food for thought - thank you so much! As an old hippie (I'm 54) I've often quite flippantly said:
So what's so wrong with Peace, Love & Understanding?
Today I'm immensely proud of this whole nation - most notably the very many young people and the way they have handled this. There's hope yet! One of the escaped victims at Utøya - a young girl - said, when asked about what she felt about the perpetrator, surprised the journalist with her answer: I fell sorry for him!
MZeenat 7 months ago 3
MrHowieboy is a 42 years old Norwegian by the way!
MrHowieboy68 7 months ago
@MrHowieboy68
I'm not norwegian, but I live in Norway and I love this country, because I feel home here. Norway has given me what my country can't give me... a home. Shame on you, that found this day to criticize your country!
LiliumAlbanicum 7 months ago
You are naive if you think that norwegians are any different from anyone else.
If it had been an Al Qaida attack we would for sure have pointed our anger towards any muslim in Norway.
MrHowieboy68 7 months ago
@MrHowieboy68 I don't think so. Every norwegian, including the major ethnic ones (as me) knows that muslims in general do not allow violence. We live with many of them in our cities. Most norwegians knows that Islam is a religion of Love too. Just as much as Christianity. If you do some research you will find that the Bible have a longer list of capital crimes than the Quran. Wiki is enough to research this. You will find more death penalties in the old Bilble than in the Quran. Peace :)
bluez56 7 months ago
You seriously don`t have å clue.
Norwegian don`t have anyone to hate, except Anders Behring Breivik, the lone terrorist. So in stead of pointing our anger towards a group or the arrested terrorist we are joined in the grief with and for the victims.
After world war 2, we re-introduced the death penalty so that we could executed every traitor, fellow norwegians and germans.
MrHowieboy68 7 months ago
Norwegian women that had a relationship with a german soldier had her hair cut, and clothes ripped of..on the streets and then loaded, naked up on a trailer and driven up and down the street so that everyone could see them.
People spitted on them, yelled at them..and worse.
Their children with german fathers was not allowed to go to school or play with other children and was taken to orphanages...
Are Norwegian the nicest people in the world? Not likely!
MrHowieboy68 7 months ago
@MrHowieboy68 First of all, you don't refer to the history entirely correct. And this was 1945 after a 5 year long war with Germany. Lots of hate was present in those days. And exactly the same happened in Denmark. And in France, in fact even worse (death penalty). France had a lot more of women fallen in love with a german. And all this because of love between two people? Anyway brother, let it be .. it's history and as so something we have learned from. It will never happen again. Peace :)
bluez56 7 months ago
Thanks!
WingsofNorway 7 months ago
no one owes you anything, shut the fuck up already....
MrRiggyRiggs 7 months ago
@MrRiggyRiggs Shouldnt you have chosen to shut the fuck up before opening your mouth? No? Stfu
mataleon83 7 months ago
Thank YOU :-)
ninaeilertsen 7 months ago
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind ~ Mahatma Ghandi
rivercah 7 months ago
And you don't mention the 10.000 people that have died in the Horn of Africa in the past few weeks due to famine?
How about you work out your priorities and then came back with a different video?
Featherlake 7 months ago
@Featherlake This is not about what tragedy is the worst, but about how people are dealing with it...
DisobedientChild85 7 months ago
Please find a great Norwegian poem translated in my notes on FB (this system will not post a link) - I am eli7abeth on FB
RavensEyeMedia 7 months ago
@RavensEyeMedia I will give you a link to a poem by Nordahl Grieg called "Til Ungdommen". This poem has also been set to music. The norwegian singer Herborg Kråkvik (also recorded it years ago) sung this on the peace gathering in Oslo om Monday 25th. The public also sung this spontaneous before the appeals started. I was there and sung it too. And sung with Herborg. It's a strong poem. It's has strong words. Words of Love.
wikipedia org/wiki/Til_Ungdommen (insert the missing dot)
bluez56 7 months ago
@bluez56 Eh .. I didn't sung with Herborg. EVERYBODY did .. just to be clear :)
bluez56 7 months ago
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RavensEyeMedia 7 months ago
Thank you for these kind words <3 I live in norway and I'm very proud that we all have come together this way. It's even a facebook group for the mom and family of Breivik, they have also suffered in this tragedy and need all the support we can give them. A mom wil always love her son and should not have to feel guilty about that. I also hope we learn from what has happend instead of forgetting about it. We need to prevent it from happening again, not with revenge, but with knowledge...
DisobedientChild85 7 months ago
You should allso know that many of us norwegians has learned the way of "peace and love" from our politicians and fellow citicens trough this happening. I think the whole situation would be different if the norwegians "replublicans" (FRP) where leading Norway now.
tep200377 7 months ago
@tep200377 I don't agree, I vote for the "republicans" (FRP) myself and I believe that all our politicians are good people. Yes, I'm very Proud of how our PM has dealed with this situation, but it is the people that has come together...One single person had the idea to make a rose march, not our politicians...
DisobedientChild85 7 months ago
Thank you so much for your beautiful words! I promise, as a norwegian, to always do my best to live up to the standard my nation and fellow norwegians set on July, 22. Sending all my love to all corners of the world!!
TheVIVHEL 7 months ago 2
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Thank you so much, this really made me cry. I share this with some of the victims, it won't diminish the pain, but perhaps give some meaning that makes sense ;-)
MsTindra 7 months ago
Thank you so much, this really made me cry. I share this with some of the victims, it won't diminish the pain, but perhaps give some meaning that makes sense ;-)
MsTindra 7 months ago 2
I need to tell you what one of the survivors from Utøya in Norway said after the attack : " If one man can show that much hate, think of how much love we can show together". ♥
mokarin 7 months ago 38
@mokarin I am sorry, but it was the Norwegian primeminister who said it. Just making you aware :)
h3nrikoo 7 months ago
It was an attack by an individual. Were it a broader, organised network then I'm sure we'd see a different response.
Nonsense.
MrGeekGamer 7 months ago
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I'm sure that the killer is not alone. A dark, evil and very powerful force is standing back him. They have manipulated the human race from the begining. Now is time that humanity say stop to the evil. Oslo shows that the people of this planet don't let themselfs anymore be manipulated and finally choose love, peace and light.
LiliumAlbanicum 7 months ago
Lets hope and pray that this can be "the 100th monkey" that Michael Ruppert explains in the documentary "Collapse". With critical mass, the peace and love can quickly spread like wildfire. Libertas.
torewaldeland 7 months ago
Thanks for this wise video! Yes, Norway has proved to the world it is possible for a nation to react with dignity and peace. Thanks Norway!
connecto2 7 months ago
iæm very proud of being a Norwegian too. Thenk you for all your love, support and wise words through this tough time. ♥
AnnieColween 7 months ago
I live close to Oslo. I've talked to people about being safe walking the streets now. I still haven't met anyone who says it's more dangerous than it used to be, which is normally close to nil. Many even say it's more safe now than before. Because of the love. It's in the "air". I've felt it too. People now watch out for each other, care more. Norway is changed to the better. We made a common decision. We raised the Norwegian positive consciousness. We hope we raised it for the World.
bluez56 7 months ago 3
Thank you for this warm and loving video. I am so proud to be **Norwegian** ;-)
Methinna 7 months ago 2
Well said, and thanks for the support!:-)
Greetings from Norway.
teletrollet1 7 months ago 3
I'm from Oslo and this is stupid, but i get the point.when someone slaughter people they should get a real punishment,not a luxury stay in the Norwegian prison.I also understand that people think it's good with forgivness andd all that, but when u kill almost 100 people u should get the death penalty with out a doubt.Not everyone desurves forgiveness Our prime ministr wount even say his name.hats ridiculous.The politicians in norway is a bunch of pussies and thats why it was so easy to attack us
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo You're wrong. The openness we have in Norway is something we don't want to loose. We don't want armed police (police is normally unarmed in Norway) walking in the streets, do we? We don't want to have fences everywhere, do we? We want our democracy too. Our Prime Minister has a lot of guts going for more democracy and even more openness. And all the other politicians are there right behind him. So do the vast majority of the population. We even encourage it. We all talk about it.
bluez56 7 months ago 2
@bluez56 Maybe u think I'm wrong, but I stil think Norway should increase the security. (yes i mean that the police should have guns). That would save lives and that's whats matter..:) If u think about it the shootings could never go on that long in for example USA. and I don't think we need fences...That would be an exaggeration..And I'm so sick of people don't want to punish people the way they deserve just to do "the right thing"..Ask the victim's families think the openness was worth it!
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo The brutal slaughter at Utøya is the very evidence to the contrary of that. Guns don't save lives, they take life away. The reason the shooting went on for as long as it did was because of two factors: 1 the bomb he detonated was meant to be a big distraction and 2: because the government have been downsizing the funding to the police quite a bit the last few years they didn't have the manpower to react faster.
malcite 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo If the police should decide to wear guns then the criminals also would decide to wear guns which the majority of them don't do in Norway. We would end up with the same kind of insecurity as in the US. We would end up with more dead citizens. Weapons is a false security. As for punishment I leave that to the authorities and the laws. That is a important part of a democracy. And he will be punished. He will probably never again be a free man. The "add 5 yrs" option will be used
bluez56 7 months ago 2
@bluez56 obviosly the criminals wear guns and this is a perfect example of why the police need it! Doesn't people see that!? It's also many countries that have officers carrying guns that are not like the US. And yes I know he's not getting out alive, but I don't think doing time in a Norwegian prison is a fair punishment for this man.
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo As for the victims families and what they think I cannot speculate. But I can and I have seen what they publicly say in the media. As a example the young daughter of "Mother Utøya", one of the 2 first victims of the shooting stated on national TV. She said something like "Do not let hate into your hearts. Instead, show more love for your family and friends". A young person saying something like that in front of a whole nation is a very strong message of Love. I'm proud of her.
bluez56 7 months ago 17
@bluez56 Yes, I agree that that is big of her, but ofcourse this man needs his real punishment!? jesus christ.. We can still love and support eachother at the same time we set an example of what we do to terrorist like him, and give him the punishment that he deserves. a good friend visited me yesterday and he got a call where someone told him a good friend of him was killed. I can assure u that he agrees with me.
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo Why all the questions and talk about punishment? We have a democratic system, a law and a court. He will never get out of prison. He is charged for terror attacks against humanity and most probably that will sentence him to 30 yrs. After the 30 yrs he can be retained for another 5 yrs if the court decides that for the public safety. After another 5 yrs .... Do you think he ever will be a free man? Don't worry more about him. Don't think more about him. Just forget him.
bluez56 7 months ago 3
@bluez56 I already know that and u keep repiting it.. I KNOW he will be in jail for the rest of his life, but that's not a punishment I'm satisfied with when it comes down to what he did. Why all the questions about punishment?Ofcourse because I want justice. The prisons here are a joke and everyone knows that. I think just forgetting him is a bad way dealing with this and it's easier said then done. at least for me. I guess we just should agree to disagree!
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo I understand your feelings of justice. I really do. You, I, we are all in pain and sorrow. We think about the horror of the victims and their families/friends. It's very strong emotions. But think about it. Revenge is a counteraction which itself can lead to other actions. Going into hate creates hate. Going into Love creates Love. Revenge is a emotional illusion that our pain will go away. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Pain can only be cured with Love my friend.
bluez56 7 months ago
@bluez56 "If one person can express this much hate, think about how much love we all can express together" :)
Daafty 6 months ago 5
@Daafty Hei Daafty. Ja ikke sant. Den kommentaren blir stående i norgeshistorien for alltid, og Jens gjentok den jo i talen i Domkirken. Vi kan være stolt av våre unge. Norge er i trygge hender :)
A surviving youth at Utøya said this on national TV as well as on CNN. It will be in our history books forever. Norway's Prime Minister Stoltenberg referred to it at a speech in a church in Oslo right after the terrible attack too. We're proud of our youths, Norway is in good hands into the future :)
bluez56 6 months ago
@heiafclynoslo Not one person i have talked to has mentioned forgiveness to this guy. I have that same opinion. As far as luxury stay, well i have to say i do agree with you there to some degree, but that is also a part of the norwegian belief that we think that we can rehabilitate people who end up there. As far as death penalty, we gave up that because it didn't have the desired effect. If you look at america, the states that have it still have higher crimes than those without it.
malcite 7 months ago
@malcite Guns are always going to exist and it's up to people to decide for themselves if only the criminals are going to have it.U know it's also possible that they for example only hav it in their cars or something like that.And this man is not in jail for rehabilitation.He killed most likely almost 90-95 people most of them youths.He's in for life.Usually I'm against death penalty but in some cases I think it's the right thing.If 1 of the victims was in my family I wouldn't be happy with jail
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@heiafclynoslo Thats just the thing. We don't have any life penalties in Norway. The highest penalty outside of the new terroract is as far as i can remember 21years. Its long but not long enough. The new terroract adds 9 more years but still not enough. Killing so many has no punishment high enough, and insanity even if it was applicable is not an excuse.
Death penalty is an easy way out for them, having them in prison for life forces them to remember and to reflect on what they did.
malcite 3 months ago
@heiafclynoslo
We call the EVIL with its true name, but we don't chose to hate the killer and kill him... because it's precisely what he wants us to do: become like him. Insteed, we choose to love the humanity, to love the people around us, to give love and support to the people who most are suffering from this tragedy, so they don't fall in darkness and drown in hate.
LiliumAlbanicum 7 months ago 3
@LiliumAlbanicum We can still give this man a real punishment whitout forgetting to love and support eachother. It's not either/or. And I think u need to do some research on the killers motives.
heiafclynoslo 7 months ago
@LiliumAlbanicum Exactly. There is evil, dark forces and energies. The soul of this man is evil and death for a evil soul is the easy way out. This soul have to learn and spending time in a prison will hopefully turn the evil soul towards the True Light. This is very important.
To welcome the Light means to get rid of some shadows. The more light we welcome the more shadows will disappear. Hopefully all the dark will be gone. But norwegians can't do this all alone. HELP us. We are all ONE.
bluez56 7 months ago 2
Lots of love to you my friend! The light has come from the north my friend :) may this event forever change humanity for the better!
Frgr91 7 months ago
His points are deserving of acceptance on the subject. Valid and worthy of reality a check. The whole point of their control has been a cause and effect. The "FICTION" trying to control the reality. It is time to STOP reacting!
Tail wagging the dog. Absolutely must listen to these words.
"Wise men are instructed by reason;
men of less understanding, by experience;
the most ignorant, by necessity;
the BEASTS, by NATURE."
quoted Marcus Tullius Cicero?
gorgeousdzastr 7 months ago
I'm also proud of my countries reaction to this tragedy. But there are many good reasons to keep the heaviest flattering on ice. Norway is the worlds 7th largest exporter of weapons (not considering population). We're - at the moment - participants in two wars. Norway is performing imperalism in a mordern way through oil companies and our "oil fund" (statens pensjonsfond). The largest opposition party (Frp) are preposing many og the terrorist's views in daily politics.
vardenaer 7 months ago
The situation in Norway is pretty unique at the moment I'd say.
Even in a small town of 12,000 which i live in, several thousand have gathered in memory-events with roses and torches to show love and respect for those harmed by the actions.
In Oslo i think it was about 250,000 gathered. Thats close to half the Capitol. And in the middle of it stands the king, queen and prime minister, sharing tears, speeches and love with the rest.. Really makes us feel like a huge family of 5 millions.
B16M4N 7 months ago 3
Thank you for your nice words. They're truly warming and flattering in a diffucult time.
But, unfortunately, I have to mention that ABB's world view (on which he based his ideology making it possible for him to slaughter almost 100 people) is a product of ideas and thoughts you find a lot of, in Norway and the western world in general.
vardenaer 7 months ago
I'm impressed by your thoughts and your reasoning and I thank you so much for understanding our reaction. Understanding how we can hold on to the notion that violence is not the answer is such a good feeling, because we rise above the meaningless acts of violence and aspire to be a nation that does not fight fire with fire.
alathion 7 months ago
NORWAY!
UptonGirl4 7 months ago
Brilliant :) it really is a kind of Lovewave here :) We have history, and in a way, we - collectively, understand, that creating reality is about Focus.. I`m Very impressed, for a Norwegian to be :) Thanks for Shared Truth :) <3 - peter johannes -
jegerdet 7 months ago
Fear will never break the norwegian people! I am proud to be norwegian<3
FSKpatriot 7 months ago
This is the sort of measured thoughtful response that we should all take note of. The coverage of this event in the Guardian was excellent by the way. They noted that the immediate response that this was an ISLAMIC terrorist activity was "fact free" journalism. The truth was very different. It is time for all of us, around the world, to push for HONEST journalism and resistance to the Zionist hate machine embodied by Murdock
untvrevolution 7 months ago
An act from hell, turned everything around... To peace and love..
johanaavit 7 months ago
Thank you for the support and recognition of peace and love! Love is all. All is love. We are all one.
SaneJohn 7 months ago
cont ...there is no need for panic. Unlike Al quida which has a hugh amount of people want to repeat 9/11.
Lesser extreme versions of his view is somewhat popular among some Norwegians. Or was, by being incredible stupid, he has now effectivly demonised anyone with who somewhat dislikes Islam and giving the parties standing allowing a lot of immigration more support.
But for someone thinking that killing kids is a solution, one shouldnt expect him to be smart at all.
torbjrn970 7 months ago
Im pretty sure this would have been completly different if this was a case of jihad terrorism, and we would have seen a lot of reactions close those USA experienced after 9/11. There were cases of norwegians beating up people who they thought was muslim after the bomb explosion and before it was known that it was a Norwegian terrorist.
The fact that it was one of us, doesnt give any chance to persue and follow anyone and since there isnt like to be anymore nutcases like him out there... cont.
torbjrn970 7 months ago
Im a Norwegian and I have never seen so much love in my life before. People are huging strangers in the streets. The little racism that have been seem to almost have disappeard. On monday a saw a muslim that got hunged by a stranger, given a rose and the words "We are all in this together". The streets in Oslo is covered by flowers and love and I am amazed how the people focus on supporting and showing love rather than anger, hate and revenge.. I love my people and I hope the world will follow!
henan8 7 months ago
@henan8 OH! Offcourse I meant hugged not hunged.. Very bad mistake there... :o
henan8 7 months ago
Thank you... Thank you so much for those heartwarming words. Thank you.
- Love from a Norwegian girl who lost two friends on Utoya
Rani300 7 months ago 3
All the walls will fall some day. Thank you
1tordenbjorn 7 months ago
Peace and love it is ! I am very proud to be a Norwegian these days , its been the most challenging week since April 9th, 1940. We`ll hold eachothers hands and ask the rest of the world to join us.
monahgrethe 7 months ago
Thank you, who ever you are. I'm a proud Norwegian, and I love the world. Roses for you..
figun1 7 months ago
This makes a norwegian heart very warm and happy :) And I think you are right.
Let's spread the light and good energy :) <3
Yukipuk 7 months ago 2
Wise words. We're living in historical times where consciousness is changing. I'm grateful to be a Norwegian.
Orroz44 7 months ago 2
Thank you for your important wise words and support in a time where we have to stop to hate and open the hearts for the unconditional love to flow all over the planet.
All the flowers is Flower Power and the start of the Aquariuse time to come.......
<3 Peace, Love & Light <3
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Thank you so much for your kind words.
I have never been more proud to be Norwegian.
LilleLidda 7 months ago
Thank you for your kind words. I hope you are right in your predictions.
Znuggles 7 months ago
I have lived in Oslo for a few years and while I share your admiration of the people of Norway in their way of dealing with it I'm a bit confused by the "revenge" you speak of... how would/could that revenge manifest itself? Who would it be directed to?
If the attack had been by a non-Norwegian I think it could be a very different story...
orangefunk 7 months ago
Words of Wisdom, Truth and Deep Knowledge
frolicbonzo 7 months ago
I remember seen primeminister Cameron giving his regards to the Norwegian people two days ago.
"The British nation is behind you all in your sorrow and anger" he said.
I remember my surprise. What anger is he talking about?
Crownprince Haakon said it like this when he talked to 200.000 people lifting their flowers in the air:
"Tonite, our streets are filled with love."
Proud to be a Norwegian, and hope like you that this can help Humaity finding a new path of love.
Love over hate
Skogsguden 7 months ago 2
@Skogsguden how about all the "hate ABB" fb pages...
skalbareselittigrann 7 months ago
@skalbareselittigrann compared to the memorial groups and the "peace and love"-groups they are microscopic.
wilhelmsen93 6 months ago
@wilhelmsen93 Yes but they still excist. Was just commenting on it, as skogsguden said "what anger"?
skalbareselittigrann 6 months ago