@MrBEAST127 There are no union jacks on the top of the vehicles dumbass. Plus they were clearly told that there were no friendly forces in the area and that they should engage! blame the FAC rather than the pilots!
Ima brit. First of all I want to say to those killed, rest in peace and god bless them, their friends and families. Secondly, I would like to give my sympathy to the pilots, who were wrongly instructed to do something by whoever was commanding them. It was simply an accident, so lets not rage about it. Ignorant comments are stupid. It was an accident, they happen often, it's just human. Lets not forget the RAF killed hundreds of friendly US troops during WW2.US and Brits are great team, :)
Oh, what do you know, just come on sky news that yet another British solider has been killed by U.S friendly fire. Fucking dumb yanks don't even know who there at war with. Yankee soliders are total crap. Fire at the ones with towels on their heads, not the ones kitted out in full military gear with a union jack on their sleaves. Are they fucking blind or just retarded.
@MrDeano324 Oh stfu will you, we have killed allied soldiers too, in 08 (I think) We killed 2 Dutch soldiers from the Royal Life Guards by firing 6-8 Javelin anti tank heat seeking missiles at them over a one and a half hour period. Nobody is immune to FF. You know these aircraft fly at high altitudes (That F18 which recently killed a Brit was flying in Bad weather) why don't we put you in their shoes and see how you do.
@MegaLolburger To correct u, The Brits killed 2 danish soldiers(denmark), there are also some people out there who also talk about it. Some Canadians got killed by Australians in war in Afghanistan, Some Brits killed by afghan troops, But most of them rather kept it a secret. It's called a disclosure agreement meaning keeping them away from public.
@Hperman09 Yeah Danish sorry, I knew it was either the danes or the dutch couldn't remember which. Yeah lots of Soldiers have been killed by rogue Afghan troops, I think one killed 6 US soldiers when they were training him and another killed 3 Brits, just turned on them and opened fire out of nowhere.
@MrDeano324 Try going to the desert sometime. Almost none of them wear towels on their heads. Everything turns tan in the desert so camo doesn't do much for designation. Just ask the brits who fired on brits with rifles and machineguns. We have more soldiers and aircraft there but have fired on Brits less times. If we are crap, what are you? Unless you want to wear the uniform don't pretend you know what is going on or how hard the job is. When you watch these vids can you tell friend from foe?
1. Those so called 'frogs' were a major superpower back then, just like the U.S and China today. G. Britain and France were the world players. And you asked for there help because you knew you couldn't beat us alone.
2. Complete bullshit, we were the first nation to invent and use radar. No other nation had it at the outbreak.
2. RUSSIA, THE U.S., GERMANY, G.B., FRANCE, THE NETHERLANDS and JAPAN all had radar and all believed they were the only ones who had it. It was the greatest secret that never was. Even a short bit of research on Radar will show that yes you had the first official test but only by a few months. And it was by no means a monopoly as most nations were experimenting with it for years and developed it at relatively the same time before the war.
@guamsst I think he just means Radar as we know it, which was invented in 1935, and put into use during the BoB, then the whole of the war. The Germans had developed their own too. infact it was a German who came up with the idea in 1904, but never perfected it. Regardless, you are correct, and I don't think the moron you are arguing with realises that.
@MegaLolburger and the reason we Americans have a "bad friendly fire record" is because we fly almost all air strike missions. Our Brit and our allies do not have enough planes to provide any air coverage of their own, so when Americans are almost solely providing the air support, 90% of those incident will also happen to Brits and Canadians. Many people especially jackasses in the comments should know this.
@Hperman09 Of course, the Close air support is the reason of death for all the ones you have killed (from other countries) in Afghanistan. However most incidents in the Gulf war and 03 invasion in Iraq were not, most were down to stupidity.Continued...
@Hperman09 Here is an example (from the Afghanistan war) no casualties, but still pretty stupid. 'Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops.'
Do you know what a marksman is?, the word marksmen is usually used to refer to a sniper, not a trooper. nowhere in my comments did I mention a sniper. You may have better snipers, but your marines are gun ho'. Spraying bullets everywhere. Just look at the way you handled the red cross aid workers rescue. You lobbed a grenade in the room and killed her, our SAS comanders were astounded at how bad you handled that.
Americans need more bullets to kill the enemy because you pray and spray wasting dozens of magazines. A brtish solider could kill 5 towel heads with 5 bullets. Your world renowned for firing bullets everywhere, were world reneowned for accuracy and precision. 5 bullets is more than enough for a British solider.
i was away deer hunting so I didn't get to answer ur response. if you research who has the best marksman in the world be it civillian or military you will find that it is the US. brits just dont have the shooting time or experience on the range that we have. most of you have never fired a weapon before and are probably scared of handling firearms. your very ignorant and make sterotypical remarks popular among socialists and void of fact.
Haha, Americans are massive hypocrits, if a Brit said "we won ww2" in the pressence of a yank, the American would pipe up and say "not without us you didn't"...yet you galivant around saying you won the war of independece when you only won because of Frence intervention. You owe your so called "victory" to the frogs. Not to your marksmen dumbass.
first thats a true statement. we did win the war. axis powers surrendered to the US. second the britished tried twice the other was in 1812 with no intervention. both times british forces where routed. the british also used hessian(mercenaries) troops to fight General washingtons forces, so they also had intervention.
And in the indepedence war, we were fighting on 3 fronts, Europe agaist the French, America against our own countrymen, and Africa against the Zulus. We had to give up one, and the Zulus and the French posed a bigger threat, so we gave up fighting against our own countrymen and let them have the bloody country...and here you are today.
@MrDeano324 the truth is that the british army was taking heavy losses in the colonies and losing battles from MA down to SC . as i said before our marksmanship cant be equaled. most of us start shooting firearms when we are small children. you people shun firearms while we love them.guns made our nation
. your a delusional indivigual whos probably on some form of social assistance. so i will agree with u from here on in. Ok the british armed forces is far better than the US military, better equiped,better trained, and more powerful than the USmilitary. I'm so glad we are allies and I sleep safe at night knowing that the british army will not unleash all it's military might on the united states. your also the best marksman in the world even though you cant own guns legally & never shoot them.
I wasent saying the 5 bullet thing was disgusting, I was saying how you view your allied nations help was disgusting...and by the way, in Stalingrad, the russians were only given 3 bullets to every other solider, and they repelled a Nazi Blitzkreig. It only takes a British solider one bullet to kill an enemy, It takes and American solider a whole mag.
the russians did it out of rationing, they didn't have the resources. the brits did it because they weren't into the fight. I'm not blaming the troops, it's the elected represenitives responsible for this not the troops. then again im not using an accident on youtube to bash the united states military, you're doing that
even though over 1/2 of our population grows up as children shooting weapons, for some reason the brits are better marksman. what's uncanny about this is most people in the UK have never, or don't know how to handle a firearm. go figure that. it;s an enigma. dream on putz
And this Argentine thing is stupid, I've done some reasurch and I can't find anything your saying, maybe it's true, maybe it's not...but from what I've read and reasurched, it's total bull.
your news never picked it up and the argentines hate us both for it. I have realtives in argentina(italian-descent) I know how it went down. the. the british had to use the queen mary to transport your troops to the theatre for lack of proper equipment/ look that up! lay off America pal
And what you are saying about afghan and Iraq is disgusting. Don't forget we helped out because you our allys were savagly attacked on 9/11, we didn't have to, and by helping you out, Great Britain was attacked herself in 2007. Our "little" task force, has held Helmand province for 8 years. And we've put up more of a fight than all the other NATO countrys combined...an ungrateful and single minded view.
that's right from a British publication the daily mail! disgusting and true, another thing you can research is that british commanders publically showed disdain for not being included in combat operations and intelligence.(daily mail) why? American commanders view an army that only gives troops 5 bullets a liability, they(brits) also wouldn't engage or pursue the enemy uless fired upon this is why american commanders shut the brits out in iraq.
You have more experience than us?, we were fighting wars centurys before the U.S was even a twinkle in gods eye. You only have history going back 200 or so years. Our history goes back millenia. Not forgetting that White Americans were brought to the U.S by Great Britain.
sure I know all about 1776 and 1812 too. our sharpshooters were picking off british officers at over 500 yards with open sights b4 they all surrendered of course.there are very few people in the US with english heiritage actually. we do have more experience in modern(last 50years) warfare than the british.
...and ronald regan did not send a task force you twat, stop making up plain shit because you don't have a comeback. The U.S provided the argies with arms and provided us with intelligence, you were helping both of us as you didn't want to get involved. You sank pretty low with that coment mate.
we scrambled f -14 tomcats to to save ur sorry asses. ask any argentine that was alive at the time.they will rell you. they have footage of our f14's bombing the hell out of them. this is way argentines hate americans. you were not shown this info. why? it's embarrasing
As I said before, you have the numbers I'm not disputing that, we have the best trained armed forces in the world. Take the SAS for example, many countries including the u.s have copied tactics first brought about by the SAS, this is a fact, look it up. Your armed forces are not in the same league as ours where training is concerned...and for the record, no 3rd world country would 'trash' us you idiot.
british troops are good no doubt about that but. nobody aside from israel has our combat experience. we've been in constant combat for almost 200 years chap. british troops learn how to use rifles in the army, we are born with them in our hands. most of us start shooting at 6-7 years old. I got my first rifle at 6. most of us hunt , and are deadly proffcient by age 14. it's a totally different culture friend. we have a gun culture' here you do not
sure 60 years ago we borrowed your tactics. we have the combat experience now, why? we do all of the fighting. you have very little boots on the ground in any theatre. in iraq you gave your troops(effectiveness) 5 bullets apiece! this made world news! every major news outlet covered it. do you realize how embarrassing this is for your armed forces. at first I laugh about it,but as an american I dont understand or comprehend why this happened. It would never happen here thank God!
Hahaha, FAIL!, history has shown time and time again that Great Britain dosent need numbers to win battles and wars. Agincourt, Waterloo, trafalgar, battle of Britain. We were outnumberd and out gunned in all of them, and guess what?, we won. Your army is to 'gun ho' you send waves of soliders to their deaths, we use presicion, and tactical awareness, that's why we were wining wars before the us was ever created.
give me a break. most third world dictators would trash you out. argentina was kicking your ass until ronald regan sent a battle group to the south atlantic to aid you idiots.Most in the UK don't know this because the BBC hid it from u. american air support came to your rescue. ask a person from argentina they all know about it, they have the footage to prove it.
u have ill delusions of grandure, any credible military source knows that the UK military, although very competant in it's own right, is simply not in the same class as the US armed forces. we are without a doubt the most capable fighting force that the world has ever known. please talk to any british military of high rank and they will inform you the same. the british commanders I served near, were in toltal awe of us in the first gulf war. they even raved about it on CNN at the time
this is a fact. we spend more money just on training our troops then the uk does on your whole armed forces combined. this is just training mind you. your delusional. your presence in the field at the present time is more symbolic. if the UK would send 50 thousand troops plus hardware then i would be impressed . you cant muster 10 thousand. u don't spend money on ur military because u have us(USA) same as canada. ur not better trained u barely have a military
@MrDeano324 You idiot, you disproved your own point by creating it. Yes, you were winning wars before the U.S. was created. We were created by beating the tar out of you and winning a war against you. Then you tried it again and lost another war to us. You are 0-2 against us. Thanks for playing. As for the Battle of Britain, how would that have worked without U.S. aviation fuel? You clowns love to forget how much help you have needed from US....That's spelled U. S.
1.We were fighting the French, and our own men (Americans) The French were the biggest threat to G. Britian, so we focused attention on those during 1812. And during the revolutionary war, you only won through French intervetion again. We are about 5-3 up to the French, not 2-0 down to you.
2.And where would the u.s have been without British radar systems?, half of the battles you won were dependant on radar.
1. So when you lose you make excuses. What happened to you being so good at winning when outnumbered and outgunned. You were fighting Farmers with some backing from the frogs.
2. Every major power had their own radar systems at the outbreak of the war so I would venture we would use our own. I think it's only fair we used your radar since you used our planes, tanks, guns and landing craft.
Dont they know that the taliban cave dwellers dont have advanced tech. Who the fuck do they think it is? If its not U.S, its got to be British or another NATO force. Fucktard Americans. I dont know why were out there training the afghans. We should send more numbers of SAS out there to train the half witt, brain dead U fucking S millitary.
train USA?? train us with what? my state national guard unit is larger than your whole fuckin military. you idiots gave your troops in iraq 5 bullets each. your military (UK) presence is merely symbolic and couldn't fit in a football stadium. give me a break. most third world dictators have a larger and more effective force than you clowns do.
@weeguymo you cant really claim the pilots as murders but Foolish, and negligent maybe. US doesn't shoot their allies for fun. From my point of view on this blue on blue and other video was fact of poor intel, human error, and the orange panels. Yes my heart is out there for Matty Hull and his family also it truly sad that the good ones die young, but we have to come to a conclusion of reality, war is an ugly thing, there no such thing of having no casualties in any war record in history.
@publicmario17 yes i agree with you and i dont really like pointing finger BUT you think with a lot of good gear they stop reapeating their mistakes on britain and i know the pilot was following orders but he is partly to blame beacause he is the eyes out on the field and the rest goes to the america army.....if you cant trust your fellow team mates who can you trust?
@weeguymo Well war in middle east has been going on for 7 years and there is a higher chance you troops killed your own allies. my fellow Canadians troops accidental killed a Afghan troops and 2 Americans troops because there was mistaken to be a Taliban. Happened 3 years ago. mistakes happened regardless.
@publicmario17 so what do we do shoot and kill own team and say lets go home and lie down.......mistakes do happen sooner or later agree but there for us to learn and make us stronger not to be repeat'd
@TheEnglishBadman look harder, the war has been going on for 7 years, there is a HIGH chance the british killed their own allies. I hate people like you who thinink because of todays technology everything is perfect. Do you know how hard it is to confirm a target? There is over 10,000 radio calls going on at one time, and HQ cant access all of them and be 100% direct to all of them. Its not like this happens every day, when was the last American Friendly fire? find me one.
you dont need technology to see an orange signal on an armoured car (which btw the taliban dont use). Thats what the signal is there for, so if all else fails, a visual ID of the signal will tell the pilots the target is friendly. You cant defend this, two U.S pilots fucked up, end of story.
@MrDeano324 this is exactly what I mean, you people are so fucking annoying. You do not understand how complicated this is, do you really think the US pilots intended to kill those guys? Go join the militay (airforce at most) and you'll see how fucking hard it is. I are the perfect example of "ignorance" you block out the most important things and you only state the most simple things "OH GEE UMM GEE THE US PILOTS FUCKED UP UMM YEAAAH GEEE UMM END OF STORY UMM YEAH IM A RETARD OH YEA"...child.
@MrDeano324 This coming from a clown whose elite Para forces in the Falklands had a running battle between two of their own companies which lasted for hours. They called in artillery strikes on each other and the artillery joined in the 3way battle. Thats right, three units in a fierce battle for hours and ZERO enemy involvement. Hell, the first brit sub kill and loss of ww2 were on patrol together. One sank the other. The list of Brit on Brit friendly fire is dismal at best.
@guamsst Aww the Yanks still pulling those two out in defense? Try this one 'Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops' Americans, they always have to be different don't they.
@MegaLolburger And what is your point? I never said we didn't have friendly fire incidents. My point is only that I will not have a bunch of wankers look down their noses at American forces without making sure they know just how poor their own record is. "A USAF F-15 called in to support British ground forces in Afghanistan dropped a bomb on those forces due to incorrect coordinates
given to the pilot by a British Forward Air Controller."
@MegaLolburger "British soldiers in operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, fired Javelin anti-tank missiles at Danish soldiers from The
Royal Life Guards, killing two. It is also confirmed from Danish forces that the British fired a total of 6-8 heat-seeking Javelin missiles, over a 1½ hour period"
"A British Military Police officer was shot dead by a fellow British soldier while on patrol"
@MegaLolburger "Nine British soldiers from the 2nd Battalion the Parachute Regiment were injured after being fired upon by British Army Apache Helicopter while on patrol in Afghanistan July 9, 2008"
"LCpl Ford, from Zulu Company of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died after receiving a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on January 15, 2007, which was later found to be due to friendly fire. The final inquest has ruled he died from NATO rounds from a fellow Royal Marine machine gun."
@MegaLolburger "A British Royal Marine was killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy
vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq."
"A British Challenger 2 tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight. The Turret was blown off and two of the crewmembers were killed."
Try doing a query of the Brit newspapers if you would like to confirm.
@guamsst I know of them, every nation fighting in Iraq has had BoB incidents, My point is the US has un-naturally high rates of BoB, look up the incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan. A new one was confrimed yesterday, (happened a day before that) A british soldier was killed by an American F18.
@Hperman09 Brits haven't killed any yank soldiers in Afghanitan or Iraq, so where did you get that from? From what I can gather the yanks have killed
(In the Gulf war the 03 invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan) killed 16 and injured 5 of our troops where as we have killed 4 and injured 9 of ours. We have also killed 2 Dutch and one Aussie. You have killed 46 of your own, injured 57, killed 1 Italian, 1 Bulgarian, 8 Kurds, 5 Canadians and 15 in a convoy (Kurds, BBC reporters etc) in Kurdistan
@MegaLolburger They aren't unnaturally high when you consider the number of close air support missions we fly. I have been there on the ramp and I have seen 7-8 flags flying in front of headquarters while seeing only one flag flying on the tail of the aircraft, It's simple math. When you see 100 U.S. aircraft and at most 4-8 British fighters you don't have to try very hard to figure out why the numbers are the way they are.
@guamsst I have taken into account them, you know of the 16 British killed by Yanks throughout those wars, 9 were killed by an A10 in the Gulf War when it attacked their convoy, A few days ago a Brit was killed by an F18 mistaking A Brit Patrol for Taliban in bad weather, (I forgot to add that death,so that's 17 Brits killed) there was a case from the Gulf war where several Yanks were killed when there Bradley was destroyed by an AH1. Over 8000 incidents of FF were recorded in Vietnam. Continue.
@guamsst Or the Black hawk Incident, which killed 29. I forgot to add this next one too, In 1992, the USS Saratoga participated in a no-notice exercise that included a simulated missile launch. Incorrect terminology was used in the orders and a live missile was launched into the bridge of the Turkish destroyer Muavenet killing 5 crewmembers. The Tarnak Farm incident occured when a 500lb bomb was dropped on Canadian infantry conducting a night firing excercise. continued..
@MegaLolburger Yes, friendly fire is common and unfortunate so why the need to insult allies and wish for people to burn in hell. War is hell and when you accidentally kill your allies it puts you in another level of hell regardless of the cause. My point has never been that we are "better" it is that it happens to everyone so to say we are "worse" and wish more misfortune on someone in that position is entirely immature and petty.
@guamsst Don't get me wrong, im not saying we never have friendly fire, we hold the record for the worst FF incident in history (WW2) sank 4 Nazi ships in a synchronized attack and killed 7000 Jewish and Russian POWs, or when we sunk a Japanese Hell ship, the Junyo Maru and killed 5000 Pows. (Although, to be fair to both the UK and the US, hell ships were hard to spot and often unmarked, some were converted destroyers, the yanks sunk loads of Hell ships and in total killed over 7000 POWs)
@DarkHour404 Yes. Eastern Kunar province, Early october. You cant post links on here anymore so just type in 'red cross aid worker killed by us hand grenade' At first the yanks said the insurgents did it full stop, 3 days later they said it may have been their fault as a result of an explosion by a hand grenade thrown into the compound in the general area the hostage was being held.
@MegaLolburger so out of the 300,000+ US soldiers. One makes a mistake like any other human being in the world would and this rarley happens, and you assume all American soldiers are failures right? I can find you thousands of hostage situations ALL over the world where the police/soldier makes a mistake of killing a innocent. Show me a link of where a US soldier kills 100+ Allied soldiers..not 1 little women that can happen to anyone...
@DarkHour404 They were Special forces, the best of the best, and an operator lobbed a grenade into the small compund? Stun grenades were invented for a reason. I do respect the yanks for risking their lives to save a non American civillian, but we should have sent our own special forces, we have a long record of successful hostage rescues such as Sierra Leone, Lufthansa Flight 81, Iranian Embassy etc etc What, from any Era? The Arisan Maru.
@MegaLolburger and we have plenty of sucesful missions too. How about the navy seal extraction about 2 years ago off the coast of somalia, where a US navy seal sniper took out 3 pirates while on a boat and waves moving up and down which made the shots 10x harder. No one got killed and hostages were set free. Or the seal rescue in the 80's in South America where team of 6 invaded a whole city, their helicopter got shot down but still managed to save everyone.
@DarkHour404 Pity they didn't live up to those guys awesomeness then.
Im sure we were going to send our own, but as the commander of operations in the Eastern Kunar province was a yank, he insisted that the US SF do it. The SAS pretty much wrote the book on counter terrorism and survival, it's just a shame our government won't put them to use and have denied them rescue operations several times despite the fact the SAS are fully capable of carrying the ops out.
@MegaLolburger Sure the SAS are great, but you can't really compare SF to SF. There is plenty of documentry's here on youtube of SAS involvment in the Gulf war and a lot of them did not turn out well. There are many failures the government tries to cover up for security purposes, and same goes for the seals. I bet right now somewhere a team of SAS or seals is probably getting their asses kicked, if not, then good for them. Im just saying, nothing is perfect as they make it seem.
@DarkHour404 Im not comparing, it's just that US SF operator made a poor decision. Our Government have not long began releasing documents from a few decades ago, We know about victories like Oman, and we know about failiures like Bravo Two Zero (3 of the 4 deaths in the whole Gulf War were from B20) The SAS activities were only recon and patrol, like B20, except that one went wrong. The latest screw up was in 07, a puma heli crashed & killed 3 SAS. But yeah, I mostly agree with you.
@DarkHour404 how about today you fucking dipshit? if you think that then you're truly a FUCKING IDIOT because he didn't made the right decision in the end did he, and ONE OF OUR TROOPS HAS DIED AS A RESULT OF THIS. i dare you to say your shit to the family who lost their son thanks to your fucking incompetent troops. you bastards should be PUNISHED for this. i hope they fucking burn in hell too.
@Nihilanth1982 and again more crying...this is EXACTLY why shittalking over the internet for this stuff existis, because people like YOU, yes.YOU. YOU are the LEGIT and PRIME example of why people are ignorant and always blame the GENERAL entire US military for one perons actions. Good job....now someone will read your comment and agree with you and go on a rant, good job...good..fucking..job.
@DarkHour404 the fact that you call it 'crying' shows how little regard and care you hold. just wait one day until one of you bastard arrogant americans get hit with a friendly fire and see how you punks will like it. you americans think you're never think you're in the wrong arent you. YOU ARROGANT BUNCH OF BASTARDS. fuck your country.
@Nihilanth1982 Hey dip@$%# Americans have been hit with friendly fire. This is war. People die in war, mistakes are made and people die. If you want to complain about Brits getting killed by friendly fire, complain about Brit forces first. They have killed many more Brits than we have. Or try doing some research instead of just being one more ignorant braying jackass.
@lonestar2779 Thanks for reinforcing what I have said over and over. The Brit soldiers never act like children and play the blame game. The Brit soldiers act like grown men and understand what war is. It is the ignorant computer jockeys that lead to such ridiculous arguments about tragedies.
@guamsst That is totally incorrect, the United States have killed more Brits than Brits have killed Brits. Now I am not complaining but if you honestly believe that the contents of your comment are a reality, I think you ought to go and revise whatever material you have been reading. The Americans managed to fuck it up so many times that they introduced a training programme in 2005 specifically aimed at bringing the number down dramatically
@WickyWiggstaz You try to fault my research? Most of my info came from British papers. Where did you pull your info from? Please site your sources for your HUNDREDS of RECORDED incidents.
@guamsst MoD....my father is a Colonel as are 2 of my uncles, I have 6 males and 1 female from my generation serving as Officer, 4 of whom have served in Iraq 3 in Afghan too and I am also in the TA, D Company PWRR. I get my sources from the inside of the organisation. Now I never said that 100s of soldiers were killed, however the number of friendly fire incidents (not all landing shots on our troops) are triple figures. Don't make out like we're as bad.....we're just not
@guamsst Also in Afghanistan, there are hundreds of recorded incidents recorded of US forces engaging friendlies (of the USA and other coalition nations), indeed much footage can be found across the web, from AH64s rocketing the wrong compounds, to A10s making strafes on British and American infantry to infantry (usually Army) just shooting because they see something moving, on the flip side there have been few British blue on blue incidents.
@guamsst You must understand why people get pissed off, we get a report like 190FS vs B&R whereby the facts are laid down straight (in this case 2 A10s unlawfully engaged a British convoy that was clearly marked with the orange coalition indications) and then after it the US refuses to co-operate, the pilots never turn up to court to give evidence and one was reported as "hiding" just the US govt covering their ass, if it had been the other way around we'd have sent them over there.
@guamsst Now to finish off I'd like to point out that I am not anti-american, I am British Forces, I have many friends who are in the US forces and generally we get on a hell of a lot better with each other than the other coalition members. I appreciate you guys as an ally to my country, I respect the efforts and sacrifices made by your soldiers, however I cannot condone the conduct shown by the US government when it comes to giving evidence, it causes more grief to the families involved
@guamsst I mean, the UK isn't an arab nation, bent on revenge, christ we don't even have the death penalty. Not once did our government suggest imprisoning the pilots, however we wanted to hear them answer questions, get a fuller insight to what went on and give the families closure. So don't make out that we're the ones being selfish, instead it is the US who are being so. They don't even share intel with us enough, and that also has led to British troops being killed. Read about it!
@WickyWiggstaz My earlier response about punishment was in response to the statement that the pilots needed to burn in hell. Frankly I am tired of hearing how terrible America is from people who A.) are clueless about any military operation, or B.) seem to think we are the only country who has ever had a friendly fire incident. I do not fault the British forces in any way or feel they are actually incompetent. But the fact still stands that their has been more Brit on Brit KIA than US on BRIT
@guamsst There are ridiculously less Brit on Brit blue on blues than there are American on Brit blue on blues. you dumb fucks are notorious for it i should know im a former Britih Royal Marine Commando, lost a friend to you cunts and have been fired on by those slack jawed yokels more times than i care to remember, and yeah orange plastic was available to anyone in Iraq but he might have noticed th British insignia and flags all over them when using his magnified optics.
@guamsst This is untrue, unfortunately there are nearly 3 times more US on British incidents than any other FF near miss or hits. It's mainly because British forces were operating in Helmand in Afgan (which was by far the toughest province) and we were mixing it up with Terry Taliban every day. Most of the air support is US and US firing procedures are very lax when compared to the rest of NATO. I'm not having a dig, I love the USA - but please don't make things up. Peace.
@manchesterfellow Do the research? Where do you Brits get your numbers? I get mine mostly from British sources. Go to wikipedia, look up friendly fire, follow the sources sited, this will get you most of the available info. Then search for news stories on friendly fire, track the numbers, look at the number of Brits killed by Brits vs. the Number of Brits killed by Americans. Now explain to me how you think I am making this up. It's simple math.
@guamsst Because you are making it up - I genuinely think you are a coward. I'm sorry but you are.
I would never in my wildest dreams make shit up on an internet forum like you have. "b
British sources " my arse. And look at the thumbs up! It's beacause ou are all deeply embarressed. But there is nothing to be embarressed about, you gus just need some restraint FACT end of.
@manchesterfellow I do have British "Sources" I have the same "sources" you or anyone else has to research this. The difference is I actually researched the incidents through the news agencies instead of mouthing off like an ignorant git.
You have yet to give any source for your numbers other than apparently pulling them out of your arse. Yet you accuse me of "making things up" If I am wrong prove it with numbers and a breakdown of how you arrived at those numbers.
@guamsst Despite me clearly posting them you want my sources? Are you actually mentally retarded? I actually mean it, is there some part of your brain that is not working?
Look, I love our US allies. But the facts clearly show that you guys are too loose with your fire. If you don't want to hear it from me ask our Canadian allies, or our Australian allies.
Because look, if I really wanted to I could post link upon link of US freindly fire cock ups. But I don't. Count yourself lucky
@guamsst Wikipedia is a bullshit source of info the so called facts there can be added by pretty much any lame prick. Its a consumer edited database you moron. British friendly fire incidents are EXTREMELY rare..stop making excuses...and get your DOD to SERIOUSLY improve the training ALL of your military recieves.
@LCStreetPhotographer Are you to stupid to read? You gits inventended the language why can't you understand it? I clearly stated that you should FOLLOW THE LINKS provided. I did not say that wikipedia was the end of the research process or the only way to research it. I simply pointed to it as one starting point to find links to actual news stories. You might want to get a dictionary and look up the words extremely, and rare as well. As Brit FF incidents are not "extremely rare"
EVEN THOUGH IF BRITS KILLED 1000 BRITS, YOU AMERICAN BASTARDS HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL BRITS OR ANY OTHER NATION JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE KILLED THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
YOU DONT HAVE TO INTERFERE IN OTHER COUNTRIES PRIVATE MATTERS.
@Nihilanth1982 and do you want your troops punished for all of your troops they have killed? Do you hope your own troops burn in hell too for killing your troops?
@guamsst In context to your comment to Nihilanth1982, no we don't want your troops to burn in hell and in many cases not to punish them, we all know that the fog of war exists; however the least they could have done is come over to the UK and given evidence. We'd do the same for you. The US government has this idea that it can pluck anyone of our citizens from their lives and drag them over to court;so why can't we do the same. Orange square= coalition forces;not rocket launchers= poor training
@WickyWiggstaz It is only logical that the U.S. who bears the heaviest load also has the highest rates of any given facet of operations. It is also only logical that Brit on Brit would be more common as you are working with each other more often than we are working with you.
@guamsst Well it may be logical, but it is incorrect. More British forces have been engaged by American forces than British forces. My cousin had a near miss with an A10 3 days ago in Afghanistan and was almost wiped by an AH64 nearer the start of his tour when it launched missiles at the wrong compound. Do not get me wrong, I do not hold any hard feelings, however I'm just laying down the facts in this particular debate, also, I do feel the pilots should have given evidence.
this is because you have very little forces! I don't think you brits realize what your true military capability is. admiral sandy woodward publically stated in the uk that you guys cant defend the falkland islands because your military is practically nonexistant. you fellows are living in the glory of the past and are delusional to your true situation. lets look in the mirror sometimes chaps you cant even defend the fucking falklands. this is serious so don't deal with us so harshly.
@mtross70 Someones fed you a Line....we can defend the falklands fine there are Eurofighter typhoons stationed there and speaking as a former Royal Marine Commando you are talking out of you arse.
@mtross70 The MoD are always saying they can't do things. Why? Because if you scare the public, then the government will be forced to give you more money. If you can't see that then you're a fucking fool. The UK can, and does defend the Falklands. I'll deal with you harshly because you allow fucking weekend warriors like this cunt, fly planes that drop bombs. And you guys say the Russians are stupid.
Our military is far from non-existent, I'm in it. Stop playing CoD you cunt and wakeup.
@mtross70 (part 2) Secondly, do not patronise me you dickhead. I am more fucking aware of our situation than you will ever be. Do not dare lecture me on taking a look in the mirror because that is something that America is long overdue. I wonder if, when the Chinese and Indians take over the US, whether the US will be so quick to "hop in the back" or whether they'll continue to act as they do now? It's very easy you telling us what's what when you've not been in our position before. Grow up.
@TheEnglishBadman Thats why I suggested referencing your own news agencies. The sun ran stories on the back to back friendly fire incidents of Brit on Brit infantry. All countries make these mistakes. The reason it "SEEMS" like the U.S. is doing this to the Brits so often is because of the high numbers of support missions we fly for the Brits with so few flown by Brits by comparison
A British Royal Marine was killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq.
A British tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight. The Turret was blown off and two of the crewmembers killed
Sorry, couldn't fit all the incidents in one post. Check Wikipedia "friendly fire" or confirm through British papers websites
A Brit Military Police officer was shot dead by a fellow Brit soldier on patrol
9 Brit soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, Para Regt. injured after being fired on by Brit Army Apache while on patrol in Afghanistan Jul 9, 08
LCpl Ford, of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died of a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on Jan 15, 07, later found to be due to friendly fire from a fellow Royal Marine machine gun.
@guamsst And thirdly: we do discipline people in our armed forces for being negligent. This is an act of negligence, from the pilot and from Manilla too.orange squares are the air recognition for coalition forces. What's the fucking point in having them on our vehicles if the US are going to unleash "weekend warriors" with A10s on them anyway? It's fucking pointless. He didn't compete the procedure for acquisition and is therefore liable; we court martial for that, you don't seem to give a fuck
@WickyWiggstaz Oh, so no one else in the middle east can get access to orange plastic? They were told there were no friendlies in the area. If the enemy puts orange panels on all their vehicles I guess we can all just go home. Second of all. They thought it was orange rockets or missiles. And yes, those do exist. Lastly, I keep hearing from Brits about how terrible and poorly trained we are. Yet they can never seem to explain the fact that you have killed more of your own than we have.
They cannot blame the pilots for this, they did their job but didn't get good enough intel. And someone says that the pilots didn't care about the people down there and their families, you don't scream like that if you don't care.
Mistakes happen. In life you learn by mistakes, in war, lives get lost. This is just one of those moments. It was the fault of the communication between teams. It was not the pilots fault. He sees "orange", so he checks to make sure its not freindly. If we had better communication between our forces things like this wouldn't happen. Its just something we had to learn the hard way.
And i feel so sorry for that pilot. He was so upset when he heard it was blue on blue.
Imagen what he felt like when they said one was killed and one injured, it was not his fault, the People told him there was no Friendly so it was Best he take the "Enemy" out or he might have got shot down, it was not the pilots fault, That must suck though, What happend to the pilot?
Everybody screws up, and if you think these pilots were thinking more about their own skins than the fact that they'd killed and wounded a friendly, you're sorely mistaken. Some of these thumbs up comments are just sad. That sounds like an awesome plan, blame us, because we're clearly the only ones who make mistakes. Wow, is all I've got to say.
This was an accident, you cannot blame the Americans for this incident or others like it. The real blame should go to those who precipitated this war; on both sides.
what sucks things like this happen.And to say they didnt care is bullshit they were tore up about it.1000's of american planes are flying cover for british and american troops the odds say this should happen more often than it does.
yes but its relatively easy to tell the difference between crappy taliban trucks and british convoys, in evenly spaced formation. They give jets windows for a reason, so the pilot can SEE AND THINK
it is amazin how they have just killed one british soldier and wounded another and yet all they care about is what is goin to happen to them when they get back to base. one says they will be put in prison. well what about the family of the soldier you just murdered because you were to stupid to look down and see if there was an orange cross. they are going to be imprisoned their entire life now by the hurt and pain of losing this boy.
@joesheehan95 you cant really claim the pilots as murders but Foolish, and negligent maybe. From my point of view on this blue on blue and other video was fact of poor intel, human error, and the orange panels. Yes my heart is out there for Matty Hull and his family also it truly sad that the good ones die young, but we have to come to a conclusion of reality, war is an ugly thing, there no such thing of having no casualties in any war record in history
@joesheehan95 Why don't you put yourself in that situation and see how you'd react. Don't judge people in incredibly stressful and traumatic situations, dumbass.
im not saying it isnt stressful but it isnt exactly the first time and american pilot has done this and the show almost no remorce or sorrow for the fact they have just killed a friendly soldier
@joesheehan95 the crew of the ac10 were clearly devastated and they were national gaurd were they not they were not even briefed on what colours signified which allies had they been told in the begining by their command that orange was british forces that wouldnt have happened , so the blame doesnt lay with the pilots it falls directly on their superiors the pilots will have to live with what they did but its lack of communication in their command that caused it
@2803jmwatt "We're in jail, dude." The guy that said that sounded more like he was pissed that they were going to get bollocked for it, not because he'd just blown the shit out of one of his allies.
The list goes on and on for EVERY Nation on the planet since war was "invented"....no Nation or Military have hands clean of their own patriots blood and the blood of allies.
Precisely; however, some more than others! Actonbath you seem out to vilify certain individuals based on nationality. Soldiers, of all nations are merely pawns in a game steered by political objectives- there sir is my quandary. I am afraid I have no interest in a spat about whose army is more professional; I'll leave that one to the kids on the playground to decide. And to be frank, if what you have said about your past is true, I do not doubt you, you should know better. Do you not agree?
American profissionalism!
Frst151 2 weeks ago
@MrBEAST127 There are no union jacks on the top of the vehicles dumbass. Plus they were clearly told that there were no friendly forces in the area and that they should engage! blame the FAC rather than the pilots!
WhitakerSJA 6 months ago
poor guys despite all this trash talking between us and uk i wouldnt want to kill them, i love the uk, were bffs
MrLegendofchaos 8 months ago
@MrLegendofchaos loool thats one way of describing the anglo-american empire!
R0B0stairs 6 months ago
Ima brit. First of all I want to say to those killed, rest in peace and god bless them, their friends and families. Secondly, I would like to give my sympathy to the pilots, who were wrongly instructed to do something by whoever was commanding them. It was simply an accident, so lets not rage about it. Ignorant comments are stupid. It was an accident, they happen often, it's just human. Lets not forget the RAF killed hundreds of friendly US troops during WW2.US and Brits are great team, :)
KGzII 8 months ago
I bet the dead brits families never want to go to USA again ;D
Bendosh 9 months ago
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DudeWarrior55 9 months ago
man I feel so sorry for not only the British troops, but the American pilots, it must suck knowing you killed your allies!
nrjelley 10 months ago
Instead of trashing the pilots, how about some sympathy. Try to imagine how those blokes must have felt, knowing they had just killed a friendly.
Tonymount 11 months ago
why did it take sooo long
Kaldhore 11 months ago
Oh, what do you know, just come on sky news that yet another British solider has been killed by U.S friendly fire. Fucking dumb yanks don't even know who there at war with. Yankee soliders are total crap. Fire at the ones with towels on their heads, not the ones kitted out in full military gear with a union jack on their sleaves. Are they fucking blind or just retarded.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 Oh stfu will you, we have killed allied soldiers too, in 08 (I think) We killed 2 Dutch soldiers from the Royal Life Guards by firing 6-8 Javelin anti tank heat seeking missiles at them over a one and a half hour period. Nobody is immune to FF. You know these aircraft fly at high altitudes (That F18 which recently killed a Brit was flying in Bad weather) why don't we put you in their shoes and see how you do.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger To correct u, The Brits killed 2 danish soldiers(denmark), there are also some people out there who also talk about it. Some Canadians got killed by Australians in war in Afghanistan, Some Brits killed by afghan troops, But most of them rather kept it a secret. It's called a disclosure agreement meaning keeping them away from public.
Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 Yeah Danish sorry, I knew it was either the danes or the dutch couldn't remember which. Yeah lots of Soldiers have been killed by rogue Afghan troops, I think one killed 6 US soldiers when they were training him and another killed 3 Brits, just turned on them and opened fire out of nowhere.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 Try going to the desert sometime. Almost none of them wear towels on their heads. Everything turns tan in the desert so camo doesn't do much for designation. Just ask the brits who fired on brits with rifles and machineguns. We have more soldiers and aircraft there but have fired on Brits less times. If we are crap, what are you? Unless you want to wear the uniform don't pretend you know what is going on or how hard the job is. When you watch these vids can you tell friend from foe?
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst
1. Those so called 'frogs' were a major superpower back then, just like the U.S and China today. G. Britain and France were the world players. And you asked for there help because you knew you couldn't beat us alone.
2. Complete bullshit, we were the first nation to invent and use radar. No other nation had it at the outbreak.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
@MrDeano324
1. Excuses, don't change the outcome.
2. RUSSIA, THE U.S., GERMANY, G.B., FRANCE, THE NETHERLANDS and JAPAN all had radar and all believed they were the only ones who had it. It was the greatest secret that never was. Even a short bit of research on Radar will show that yes you had the first official test but only by a few months. And it was by no means a monopoly as most nations were experimenting with it for years and developed it at relatively the same time before the war.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst I think he just means Radar as we know it, which was invented in 1935, and put into use during the BoB, then the whole of the war. The Germans had developed their own too. infact it was a German who came up with the idea in 1904, but never perfected it. Regardless, you are correct, and I don't think the moron you are arguing with realises that.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger and the reason we Americans have a "bad friendly fire record" is because we fly almost all air strike missions. Our Brit and our allies do not have enough planes to provide any air coverage of their own, so when Americans are almost solely providing the air support, 90% of those incident will also happen to Brits and Canadians. Many people especially jackasses in the comments should know this.
Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 Of course, the Close air support is the reason of death for all the ones you have killed (from other countries) in Afghanistan. However most incidents in the Gulf war and 03 invasion in Iraq were not, most were down to stupidity.Continued...
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@Hperman09 Here is an example (from the Afghanistan war) no casualties, but still pretty stupid. 'Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops.'
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@Hperman09 Oh and 7 Afghan Police officers in 07.
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Nihilanth1982 1 year ago
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in the news just now, another friendly fire murder by the americans again.
how long are we going to let those stupid incompetent bastards get away with this?
FUCK YOU AMERICA.
Nihilanth1982 1 year ago
@mtross70
Do you know what a marksman is?, the word marksmen is usually used to refer to a sniper, not a trooper. nowhere in my comments did I mention a sniper. You may have better snipers, but your marines are gun ho'. Spraying bullets everywhere. Just look at the way you handled the red cross aid workers rescue. You lobbed a grenade in the room and killed her, our SAS comanders were astounded at how bad you handled that.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
@mtross70
Americans need more bullets to kill the enemy because you pray and spray wasting dozens of magazines. A brtish solider could kill 5 towel heads with 5 bullets. Your world renowned for firing bullets everywhere, were world reneowned for accuracy and precision. 5 bullets is more than enough for a British solider.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
i was away deer hunting so I didn't get to answer ur response. if you research who has the best marksman in the world be it civillian or military you will find that it is the US. brits just dont have the shooting time or experience on the range that we have. most of you have never fired a weapon before and are probably scared of handling firearms. your very ignorant and make sterotypical remarks popular among socialists and void of fact.
mtross70 1 year ago
mtross70
Haha, Americans are massive hypocrits, if a Brit said "we won ww2" in the pressence of a yank, the American would pipe up and say "not without us you didn't"...yet you galivant around saying you won the war of independece when you only won because of Frence intervention. You owe your so called "victory" to the frogs. Not to your marksmen dumbass.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
first thats a true statement. we did win the war. axis powers surrendered to the US. second the britished tried twice the other was in 1812 with no intervention. both times british forces where routed. the british also used hessian(mercenaries) troops to fight General washingtons forces, so they also had intervention.
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
And in the indepedence war, we were fighting on 3 fronts, Europe agaist the French, America against our own countrymen, and Africa against the Zulus. We had to give up one, and the Zulus and the French posed a bigger threat, so we gave up fighting against our own countrymen and let them have the bloody country...and here you are today.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 the truth is that the british army was taking heavy losses in the colonies and losing battles from MA down to SC . as i said before our marksmanship cant be equaled. most of us start shooting firearms when we are small children. you people shun firearms while we love them.guns made our nation
mtross70 1 year ago
. your a delusional indivigual whos probably on some form of social assistance. so i will agree with u from here on in. Ok the british armed forces is far better than the US military, better equiped,better trained, and more powerful than the USmilitary. I'm so glad we are allies and I sleep safe at night knowing that the british army will not unleash all it's military might on the united states. your also the best marksman in the world even though you cant own guns legally & never shoot them.
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
I wasent saying the 5 bullet thing was disgusting, I was saying how you view your allied nations help was disgusting...and by the way, in Stalingrad, the russians were only given 3 bullets to every other solider, and they repelled a Nazi Blitzkreig. It only takes a British solider one bullet to kill an enemy, It takes and American solider a whole mag.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
the russians did it out of rationing, they didn't have the resources. the brits did it because they weren't into the fight. I'm not blaming the troops, it's the elected represenitives responsible for this not the troops. then again im not using an accident on youtube to bash the united states military, you're doing that
mtross70 1 year ago
even though over 1/2 of our population grows up as children shooting weapons, for some reason the brits are better marksman. what's uncanny about this is most people in the UK have never, or don't know how to handle a firearm. go figure that. it;s an enigma. dream on putz
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
And this Argentine thing is stupid, I've done some reasurch and I can't find anything your saying, maybe it's true, maybe it's not...but from what I've read and reasurched, it's total bull.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
your news never picked it up and the argentines hate us both for it. I have realtives in argentina(italian-descent) I know how it went down. the. the british had to use the queen mary to transport your troops to the theatre for lack of proper equipment/ look that up! lay off America pal
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
And what you are saying about afghan and Iraq is disgusting. Don't forget we helped out because you our allys were savagly attacked on 9/11, we didn't have to, and by helping you out, Great Britain was attacked herself in 2007. Our "little" task force, has held Helmand province for 8 years. And we've put up more of a fight than all the other NATO countrys combined...an ungrateful and single minded view.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
that's right from a British publication the daily mail! disgusting and true, another thing you can research is that british commanders publically showed disdain for not being included in combat operations and intelligence.(daily mail) why? American commanders view an army that only gives troops 5 bullets a liability, they(brits) also wouldn't engage or pursue the enemy uless fired upon this is why american commanders shut the brits out in iraq.
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
You have more experience than us?, we were fighting wars centurys before the U.S was even a twinkle in gods eye. You only have history going back 200 or so years. Our history goes back millenia. Not forgetting that White Americans were brought to the U.S by Great Britain.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
sure I know all about 1776 and 1812 too. our sharpshooters were picking off british officers at over 500 yards with open sights b4 they all surrendered of course.there are very few people in the US with english heiritage actually. we do have more experience in modern(last 50years) warfare than the british.
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
...and ronald regan did not send a task force you twat, stop making up plain shit because you don't have a comeback. The U.S provided the argies with arms and provided us with intelligence, you were helping both of us as you didn't want to get involved. You sank pretty low with that coment mate.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
we scrambled f -14 tomcats to to save ur sorry asses. ask any argentine that was alive at the time.they will rell you. they have footage of our f14's bombing the hell out of them. this is way argentines hate americans. you were not shown this info. why? it's embarrasing
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
As I said before, you have the numbers I'm not disputing that, we have the best trained armed forces in the world. Take the SAS for example, many countries including the u.s have copied tactics first brought about by the SAS, this is a fact, look it up. Your armed forces are not in the same league as ours where training is concerned...and for the record, no 3rd world country would 'trash' us you idiot.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
british troops are good no doubt about that but. nobody aside from israel has our combat experience. we've been in constant combat for almost 200 years chap. british troops learn how to use rifles in the army, we are born with them in our hands. most of us start shooting at 6-7 years old. I got my first rifle at 6. most of us hunt , and are deadly proffcient by age 14. it's a totally different culture friend. we have a gun culture' here you do not
mtross70 1 year ago
sure 60 years ago we borrowed your tactics. we have the combat experience now, why? we do all of the fighting. you have very little boots on the ground in any theatre. in iraq you gave your troops(effectiveness) 5 bullets apiece! this made world news! every major news outlet covered it. do you realize how embarrassing this is for your armed forces. at first I laugh about it,but as an american I dont understand or comprehend why this happened. It would never happen here thank God!
mtross70 1 year ago
@mtross70
Hahaha, FAIL!, history has shown time and time again that Great Britain dosent need numbers to win battles and wars. Agincourt, Waterloo, trafalgar, battle of Britain. We were outnumberd and out gunned in all of them, and guess what?, we won. Your army is to 'gun ho' you send waves of soliders to their deaths, we use presicion, and tactical awareness, that's why we were wining wars before the us was ever created.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
give me a break. most third world dictators would trash you out. argentina was kicking your ass until ronald regan sent a battle group to the south atlantic to aid you idiots.Most in the UK don't know this because the BBC hid it from u. american air support came to your rescue. ask a person from argentina they all know about it, they have the footage to prove it.
mtross70 1 year ago
u have ill delusions of grandure, any credible military source knows that the UK military, although very competant in it's own right, is simply not in the same class as the US armed forces. we are without a doubt the most capable fighting force that the world has ever known. please talk to any british military of high rank and they will inform you the same. the british commanders I served near, were in toltal awe of us in the first gulf war. they even raved about it on CNN at the time
mtross70 1 year ago
this is a fact. we spend more money just on training our troops then the uk does on your whole armed forces combined. this is just training mind you. your delusional. your presence in the field at the present time is more symbolic. if the UK would send 50 thousand troops plus hardware then i would be impressed . you cant muster 10 thousand. u don't spend money on ur military because u have us(USA) same as canada. ur not better trained u barely have a military
mtross70 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 You idiot, you disproved your own point by creating it. Yes, you were winning wars before the U.S. was created. We were created by beating the tar out of you and winning a war against you. Then you tried it again and lost another war to us. You are 0-2 against us. Thanks for playing. As for the Battle of Britain, how would that have worked without U.S. aviation fuel? You clowns love to forget how much help you have needed from US....That's spelled U. S.
guamsst 1 year ago
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Nihilanth1982 1 year ago
@guamsst
1.We were fighting the French, and our own men (Americans) The French were the biggest threat to G. Britian, so we focused attention on those during 1812. And during the revolutionary war, you only won through French intervetion again. We are about 5-3 up to the French, not 2-0 down to you.
2.And where would the u.s have been without British radar systems?, half of the battles you won were dependant on radar.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
@MrDeano324
1. So when you lose you make excuses. What happened to you being so good at winning when outnumbered and outgunned. You were fighting Farmers with some backing from the frogs.
2. Every major power had their own radar systems at the outbreak of the war so I would venture we would use our own. I think it's only fair we used your radar since you used our planes, tanks, guns and landing craft.
guamsst 1 year ago
feel sorry for that pilot, not really his fault.
AlbanZap 1 year ago
There are three levels of fail.
1 Fail
2 Failure
3 Epic Fail
The American millitary is #3
Dont they know that the taliban cave dwellers dont have advanced tech. Who the fuck do they think it is? If its not U.S, its got to be British or another NATO force. Fucktard Americans. I dont know why were out there training the afghans. We should send more numbers of SAS out there to train the half witt, brain dead U fucking S millitary.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
train USA?? train us with what? my state national guard unit is larger than your whole fuckin military. you idiots gave your troops in iraq 5 bullets each. your military (UK) presence is merely symbolic and couldn't fit in a football stadium. give me a break. most third world dictators have a larger and more effective force than you clowns do.
mtross70 1 year ago
Fucking dumb fat yanks did it on purpose. Fags
johnnyponny4 1 year ago
Didn't mean to post that, was meant to be doing a search....shitty iPad
dazzzdelux 1 year ago
British pilot
dazzzdelux 1 year ago
It's ok, maybe the guys flying the plane on 9/11 just made a mistake too. maybe this is all for nothing.
SamThePuppetMan 1 year ago
Imbreed
matmay500 1 year ago
i think the americans like to shoot at us brits for fun because they always do it fuckin american ass whole's
weeguymo 1 year ago
@weeguymo you cant really claim the pilots as murders but Foolish, and negligent maybe. US doesn't shoot their allies for fun. From my point of view on this blue on blue and other video was fact of poor intel, human error, and the orange panels. Yes my heart is out there for Matty Hull and his family also it truly sad that the good ones die young, but we have to come to a conclusion of reality, war is an ugly thing, there no such thing of having no casualties in any war record in history.
publicmario17 1 year ago
@publicmario17 yes i agree with you and i dont really like pointing finger BUT you think with a lot of good gear they stop reapeating their mistakes on britain and i know the pilot was following orders but he is partly to blame beacause he is the eyes out on the field and the rest goes to the america army.....if you cant trust your fellow team mates who can you trust?
weeguymo 1 year ago
@weeguymo Well war in middle east has been going on for 7 years and there is a higher chance you troops killed your own allies. my fellow Canadians troops accidental killed a Afghan troops and 2 Americans troops because there was mistaken to be a Taliban. Happened 3 years ago. mistakes happened regardless.
publicmario17 1 year ago
@publicmario17 so what do we do shoot and kill own team and say lets go home and lie down.......mistakes do happen sooner or later agree but there for us to learn and make us stronger not to be repeat'd
weeguymo 1 year ago
alot brits hate americans mostly it militray becuse they keep friendly fireing on british troops
brotherhoodoutcast22 1 year ago
@TheEnglishBadman look harder, the war has been going on for 7 years, there is a HIGH chance the british killed their own allies. I hate people like you who thinink because of todays technology everything is perfect. Do you know how hard it is to confirm a target? There is over 10,000 radio calls going on at one time, and HQ cant access all of them and be 100% direct to all of them. Its not like this happens every day, when was the last American Friendly fire? find me one.
DarkHour404 1 year ago 22
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you dont need technology to see an orange signal on an armoured car (which btw the taliban dont use). Thats what the signal is there for, so if all else fails, a visual ID of the signal will tell the pilots the target is friendly. You cant defend this, two U.S pilots fucked up, end of story.
MrDeano324 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 this is exactly what I mean, you people are so fucking annoying. You do not understand how complicated this is, do you really think the US pilots intended to kill those guys? Go join the militay (airforce at most) and you'll see how fucking hard it is. I are the perfect example of "ignorance" you block out the most important things and you only state the most simple things "OH GEE UMM GEE THE US PILOTS FUCKED UP UMM YEAAAH GEEE UMM END OF STORY UMM YEAH IM A RETARD OH YEA"...child.
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 and I meant "you are the perfect example of "ignorance" I forgot to delete the I in the scentence I originally started.
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@MrDeano324 This coming from a clown whose elite Para forces in the Falklands had a running battle between two of their own companies which lasted for hours. They called in artillery strikes on each other and the artillery joined in the 3way battle. Thats right, three units in a fierce battle for hours and ZERO enemy involvement. Hell, the first brit sub kill and loss of ww2 were on patrol together. One sank the other. The list of Brit on Brit friendly fire is dismal at best.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst Aww the Yanks still pulling those two out in defense? Try this one 'Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops' Americans, they always have to be different don't they.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger And what is your point? I never said we didn't have friendly fire incidents. My point is only that I will not have a bunch of wankers look down their noses at American forces without making sure they know just how poor their own record is. "A USAF F-15 called in to support British ground forces in Afghanistan dropped a bomb on those forces due to incorrect coordinates
given to the pilot by a British Forward Air Controller."
guamsst 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger "British soldiers in operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, fired Javelin anti-tank missiles at Danish soldiers from The
Royal Life Guards, killing two. It is also confirmed from Danish forces that the British fired a total of 6-8 heat-seeking Javelin missiles, over a 1½ hour period"
"A British Military Police officer was shot dead by a fellow British soldier while on patrol"
guamsst 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger "Nine British soldiers from the 2nd Battalion the Parachute Regiment were injured after being fired upon by British Army Apache Helicopter while on patrol in Afghanistan July 9, 2008"
"LCpl Ford, from Zulu Company of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died after receiving a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on January 15, 2007, which was later found to be due to friendly fire. The final inquest has ruled he died from NATO rounds from a fellow Royal Marine machine gun."
guamsst 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger "A British Royal Marine was killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy
vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq."
"A British Challenger 2 tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight. The Turret was blown off and two of the crewmembers were killed."
Try doing a query of the Brit newspapers if you would like to confirm.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst I know of them, every nation fighting in Iraq has had BoB incidents, My point is the US has un-naturally high rates of BoB, look up the incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan. A new one was confrimed yesterday, (happened a day before that) A british soldier was killed by an American F18.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
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Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 Brits haven't killed any yank soldiers in Afghanitan or Iraq, so where did you get that from? From what I can gather the yanks have killed
(In the Gulf war the 03 invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan) killed 16 and injured 5 of our troops where as we have killed 4 and injured 9 of ours. We have also killed 2 Dutch and one Aussie. You have killed 46 of your own, injured 57, killed 1 Italian, 1 Bulgarian, 8 Kurds, 5 Canadians and 15 in a convoy (Kurds, BBC reporters etc) in Kurdistan
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger They aren't unnaturally high when you consider the number of close air support missions we fly. I have been there on the ramp and I have seen 7-8 flags flying in front of headquarters while seeing only one flag flying on the tail of the aircraft, It's simple math. When you see 100 U.S. aircraft and at most 4-8 British fighters you don't have to try very hard to figure out why the numbers are the way they are.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst I have taken into account them, you know of the 16 British killed by Yanks throughout those wars, 9 were killed by an A10 in the Gulf War when it attacked their convoy, A few days ago a Brit was killed by an F18 mistaking A Brit Patrol for Taliban in bad weather, (I forgot to add that death,so that's 17 Brits killed) there was a case from the Gulf war where several Yanks were killed when there Bradley was destroyed by an AH1. Over 8000 incidents of FF were recorded in Vietnam. Continue.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@guamsst Or the Black hawk Incident, which killed 29. I forgot to add this next one too, In 1992, the USS Saratoga participated in a no-notice exercise that included a simulated missile launch. Incorrect terminology was used in the orders and a live missile was launched into the bridge of the Turkish destroyer Muavenet killing 5 crewmembers. The Tarnak Farm incident occured when a 500lb bomb was dropped on Canadian infantry conducting a night firing excercise. continued..
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger Yes, friendly fire is common and unfortunate so why the need to insult allies and wish for people to burn in hell. War is hell and when you accidentally kill your allies it puts you in another level of hell regardless of the cause. My point has never been that we are "better" it is that it happens to everyone so to say we are "worse" and wish more misfortune on someone in that position is entirely immature and petty.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst Huh? Who insulted and said that?
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@guamsst Don't get me wrong, im not saying we never have friendly fire, we hold the record for the worst FF incident in history (WW2) sank 4 Nazi ships in a synchronized attack and killed 7000 Jewish and Russian POWs, or when we sunk a Japanese Hell ship, the Junyo Maru and killed 5000 Pows. (Although, to be fair to both the UK and the US, hell ships were hard to spot and often unmarked, some were converted destroyers, the yanks sunk loads of Hell ships and in total killed over 7000 POWs)
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 The Red Cross rescue operation, a yank grenade lobbed through a window killed a British Aid worker who was being held hostage.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger really, and when and where did this happen? and show me the proof.
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 Yes. Eastern Kunar province, Early october. You cant post links on here anymore so just type in 'red cross aid worker killed by us hand grenade' At first the yanks said the insurgents did it full stop, 3 days later they said it may have been their fault as a result of an explosion by a hand grenade thrown into the compound in the general area the hostage was being held.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger so out of the 300,000+ US soldiers. One makes a mistake like any other human being in the world would and this rarley happens, and you assume all American soldiers are failures right? I can find you thousands of hostage situations ALL over the world where the police/soldier makes a mistake of killing a innocent. Show me a link of where a US soldier kills 100+ Allied soldiers..not 1 little women that can happen to anyone...
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 They were Special forces, the best of the best, and an operator lobbed a grenade into the small compund? Stun grenades were invented for a reason. I do respect the yanks for risking their lives to save a non American civillian, but we should have sent our own special forces, we have a long record of successful hostage rescues such as Sierra Leone, Lufthansa Flight 81, Iranian Embassy etc etc What, from any Era? The Arisan Maru.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger and we have plenty of sucesful missions too. How about the navy seal extraction about 2 years ago off the coast of somalia, where a US navy seal sniper took out 3 pirates while on a boat and waves moving up and down which made the shots 10x harder. No one got killed and hostages were set free. Or the seal rescue in the 80's in South America where team of 6 invaded a whole city, their helicopter got shot down but still managed to save everyone.
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 Pity they didn't live up to those guys awesomeness then.
Im sure we were going to send our own, but as the commander of operations in the Eastern Kunar province was a yank, he insisted that the US SF do it. The SAS pretty much wrote the book on counter terrorism and survival, it's just a shame our government won't put them to use and have denied them rescue operations several times despite the fact the SAS are fully capable of carrying the ops out.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@MegaLolburger Sure the SAS are great, but you can't really compare SF to SF. There is plenty of documentry's here on youtube of SAS involvment in the Gulf war and a lot of them did not turn out well. There are many failures the government tries to cover up for security purposes, and same goes for the seals. I bet right now somewhere a team of SAS or seals is probably getting their asses kicked, if not, then good for them. Im just saying, nothing is perfect as they make it seem.
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 Im not comparing, it's just that US SF operator made a poor decision. Our Government have not long began releasing documents from a few decades ago, We know about victories like Oman, and we know about failiures like Bravo Two Zero (3 of the 4 deaths in the whole Gulf War were from B20) The SAS activities were only recon and patrol, like B20, except that one went wrong. The latest screw up was in 07, a puma heli crashed & killed 3 SAS. But yeah, I mostly agree with you.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 It turns out she was killed by a US hand grenade, theres an article on it on google news.
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 Or you could just type Linda Norgrove into youtube
MegaLolburger 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 how about today you fucking dipshit? if you think that then you're truly a FUCKING IDIOT because he didn't made the right decision in the end did he, and ONE OF OUR TROOPS HAS DIED AS A RESULT OF THIS. i dare you to say your shit to the family who lost their son thanks to your fucking incompetent troops. you bastards should be PUNISHED for this. i hope they fucking burn in hell too.
Nihilanth1982 1 year ago
@Nihilanth1982 and again more crying...this is EXACTLY why shittalking over the internet for this stuff existis, because people like YOU, yes.YOU. YOU are the LEGIT and PRIME example of why people are ignorant and always blame the GENERAL entire US military for one perons actions. Good job....now someone will read your comment and agree with you and go on a rant, good job...good..fucking..job.
DarkHour404 1 year ago
@DarkHour404 the fact that you call it 'crying' shows how little regard and care you hold. just wait one day until one of you bastard arrogant americans get hit with a friendly fire and see how you punks will like it. you americans think you're never think you're in the wrong arent you. YOU ARROGANT BUNCH OF BASTARDS. fuck your country.
Nihilanth1982 1 year ago
@Nihilanth1982 Hey dip@$%# Americans have been hit with friendly fire. This is war. People die in war, mistakes are made and people die. If you want to complain about Brits getting killed by friendly fire, complain about Brit forces first. They have killed many more Brits than we have. Or try doing some research instead of just being one more ignorant braying jackass.
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publicmario17 1 year ago 12
@guamsst its the manner in which they did it isn't it though?
gluepot66 11 months ago
@guamsst i agree, im a brit soldier and i feel so rry for the pilots... poor fuckers....
lonestar2779 9 months ago
@lonestar2779 Thanks for reinforcing what I have said over and over. The Brit soldiers never act like children and play the blame game. The Brit soldiers act like grown men and understand what war is. It is the ignorant computer jockeys that lead to such ridiculous arguments about tragedies.
guamsst 9 months ago
@guamsst Guess what guys. Osama Bin Laden is fucking dead. Look it up.
DudeWarrior55 9 months ago
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Hperman09 9 months ago
@guamsst That is totally incorrect, the United States have killed more Brits than Brits have killed Brits. Now I am not complaining but if you honestly believe that the contents of your comment are a reality, I think you ought to go and revise whatever material you have been reading. The Americans managed to fuck it up so many times that they introduced a training programme in 2005 specifically aimed at bringing the number down dramatically
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@WickyWiggstaz You try to fault my research? Most of my info came from British papers. Where did you pull your info from? Please site your sources for your HUNDREDS of RECORDED incidents.
guamsst 5 months ago
@guamsst MoD....my father is a Colonel as are 2 of my uncles, I have 6 males and 1 female from my generation serving as Officer, 4 of whom have served in Iraq 3 in Afghan too and I am also in the TA, D Company PWRR. I get my sources from the inside of the organisation. Now I never said that 100s of soldiers were killed, however the number of friendly fire incidents (not all landing shots on our troops) are triple figures. Don't make out like we're as bad.....we're just not
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@guamsst Also in Afghanistan, there are hundreds of recorded incidents recorded of US forces engaging friendlies (of the USA and other coalition nations), indeed much footage can be found across the web, from AH64s rocketing the wrong compounds, to A10s making strafes on British and American infantry to infantry (usually Army) just shooting because they see something moving, on the flip side there have been few British blue on blue incidents.
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@guamsst You must understand why people get pissed off, we get a report like 190FS vs B&R whereby the facts are laid down straight (in this case 2 A10s unlawfully engaged a British convoy that was clearly marked with the orange coalition indications) and then after it the US refuses to co-operate, the pilots never turn up to court to give evidence and one was reported as "hiding" just the US govt covering their ass, if it had been the other way around we'd have sent them over there.
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@guamsst Now to finish off I'd like to point out that I am not anti-american, I am British Forces, I have many friends who are in the US forces and generally we get on a hell of a lot better with each other than the other coalition members. I appreciate you guys as an ally to my country, I respect the efforts and sacrifices made by your soldiers, however I cannot condone the conduct shown by the US government when it comes to giving evidence, it causes more grief to the families involved
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@guamsst I mean, the UK isn't an arab nation, bent on revenge, christ we don't even have the death penalty. Not once did our government suggest imprisoning the pilots, however we wanted to hear them answer questions, get a fuller insight to what went on and give the families closure. So don't make out that we're the ones being selfish, instead it is the US who are being so. They don't even share intel with us enough, and that also has led to British troops being killed. Read about it!
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@WickyWiggstaz My earlier response about punishment was in response to the statement that the pilots needed to burn in hell. Frankly I am tired of hearing how terrible America is from people who A.) are clueless about any military operation, or B.) seem to think we are the only country who has ever had a friendly fire incident. I do not fault the British forces in any way or feel they are actually incompetent. But the fact still stands that their has been more Brit on Brit KIA than US on BRIT
guamsst 5 months ago
@guamsst There are ridiculously less Brit on Brit blue on blues than there are American on Brit blue on blues. you dumb fucks are notorious for it i should know im a former Britih Royal Marine Commando, lost a friend to you cunts and have been fired on by those slack jawed yokels more times than i care to remember, and yeah orange plastic was available to anyone in Iraq but he might have noticed th British insignia and flags all over them when using his magnified optics.
LCStreetPhotographer 1 month ago
@guamsst This is untrue, unfortunately there are nearly 3 times more US on British incidents than any other FF near miss or hits. It's mainly because British forces were operating in Helmand in Afgan (which was by far the toughest province) and we were mixing it up with Terry Taliban every day. Most of the air support is US and US firing procedures are very lax when compared to the rest of NATO. I'm not having a dig, I love the USA - but please don't make things up. Peace.
Source: Jane military
manchesterfellow 3 months ago
@manchesterfellow Do the research? Where do you Brits get your numbers? I get mine mostly from British sources. Go to wikipedia, look up friendly fire, follow the sources sited, this will get you most of the available info. Then search for news stories on friendly fire, track the numbers, look at the number of Brits killed by Brits vs. the Number of Brits killed by Americans. Now explain to me how you think I am making this up. It's simple math.
guamsst 2 months ago
@guamsst Because you are making it up - I genuinely think you are a coward. I'm sorry but you are.
I would never in my wildest dreams make shit up on an internet forum like you have. "b
British sources " my arse. And look at the thumbs up! It's beacause ou are all deeply embarressed. But there is nothing to be embarressed about, you gus just need some restraint FACT end of.
Deal with it...
manchesterfellow 1 month ago
@manchesterfellow I do have British "Sources" I have the same "sources" you or anyone else has to research this. The difference is I actually researched the incidents through the news agencies instead of mouthing off like an ignorant git.
You have yet to give any source for your numbers other than apparently pulling them out of your arse. Yet you accuse me of "making things up" If I am wrong prove it with numbers and a breakdown of how you arrived at those numbers.
guamsst 1 month ago
@guamsst Despite me clearly posting them you want my sources? Are you actually mentally retarded? I actually mean it, is there some part of your brain that is not working?
Look, I love our US allies. But the facts clearly show that you guys are too loose with your fire. If you don't want to hear it from me ask our Canadian allies, or our Australian allies.
Because look, if I really wanted to I could post link upon link of US freindly fire cock ups. But I don't. Count yourself lucky
manchesterfellow 4 weeks ago
@guamsst Wikipedia is a bullshit source of info the so called facts there can be added by pretty much any lame prick. Its a consumer edited database you moron. British friendly fire incidents are EXTREMELY rare..stop making excuses...and get your DOD to SERIOUSLY improve the training ALL of your military recieves.
LCStreetPhotographer 1 month ago
@LCStreetPhotographer Are you to stupid to read? You gits inventended the language why can't you understand it? I clearly stated that you should FOLLOW THE LINKS provided. I did not say that wikipedia was the end of the research process or the only way to research it. I simply pointed to it as one starting point to find links to actual news stories. You might want to get a dictionary and look up the words extremely, and rare as well. As Brit FF incidents are not "extremely rare"
guamsst 1 month ago
@guamsst WHO GAVE YOU RIGHT TO KILL OTHERS ?
EVEN THOUGH IF BRITS KILLED 1000 BRITS, YOU AMERICAN BASTARDS HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL BRITS OR ANY OTHER NATION JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE KILLED THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
YOU DONT HAVE TO INTERFERE IN OTHER COUNTRIES PRIVATE MATTERS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT??
IN MY EYES AMERICANS ARE PSYCHO.
ajmderby 1 month ago
@Nihilanth1982 and do you want your troops punished for all of your troops they have killed? Do you hope your own troops burn in hell too for killing your troops?
guamsst 1 year ago 16
@guamsst In context to your comment to Nihilanth1982, no we don't want your troops to burn in hell and in many cases not to punish them, we all know that the fog of war exists; however the least they could have done is come over to the UK and given evidence. We'd do the same for you. The US government has this idea that it can pluck anyone of our citizens from their lives and drag them over to court;so why can't we do the same. Orange square= coalition forces;not rocket launchers= poor training
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@WickyWiggstaz It is only logical that the U.S. who bears the heaviest load also has the highest rates of any given facet of operations. It is also only logical that Brit on Brit would be more common as you are working with each other more often than we are working with you.
guamsst 5 months ago
@guamsst Well it may be logical, but it is incorrect. More British forces have been engaged by American forces than British forces. My cousin had a near miss with an A10 3 days ago in Afghanistan and was almost wiped by an AH64 nearer the start of his tour when it launched missiles at the wrong compound. Do not get me wrong, I do not hold any hard feelings, however I'm just laying down the facts in this particular debate, also, I do feel the pilots should have given evidence.
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
this is because you have very little forces! I don't think you brits realize what your true military capability is. admiral sandy woodward publically stated in the uk that you guys cant defend the falkland islands because your military is practically nonexistant. you fellows are living in the glory of the past and are delusional to your true situation. lets look in the mirror sometimes chaps you cant even defend the fucking falklands. this is serious so don't deal with us so harshly.
mtross70 1 month ago
@mtross70 Someones fed you a Line....we can defend the falklands fine there are Eurofighter typhoons stationed there and speaking as a former Royal Marine Commando you are talking out of you arse.
LCStreetPhotographer 1 month ago
@mtross70 The MoD are always saying they can't do things. Why? Because if you scare the public, then the government will be forced to give you more money. If you can't see that then you're a fucking fool. The UK can, and does defend the Falklands. I'll deal with you harshly because you allow fucking weekend warriors like this cunt, fly planes that drop bombs. And you guys say the Russians are stupid.
Our military is far from non-existent, I'm in it. Stop playing CoD you cunt and wakeup.
WickyWiggstaz 1 month ago
@mtross70 (part 2) Secondly, do not patronise me you dickhead. I am more fucking aware of our situation than you will ever be. Do not dare lecture me on taking a look in the mirror because that is something that America is long overdue. I wonder if, when the Chinese and Indians take over the US, whether the US will be so quick to "hop in the back" or whether they'll continue to act as they do now? It's very easy you telling us what's what when you've not been in our position before. Grow up.
WickyWiggstaz 1 month ago
@TheEnglishBadman Thats why I suggested referencing your own news agencies. The sun ran stories on the back to back friendly fire incidents of Brit on Brit infantry. All countries make these mistakes. The reason it "SEEMS" like the U.S. is doing this to the Brits so often is because of the high numbers of support missions we fly for the Brits with so few flown by Brits by comparison
guamsst 1 year ago
@TheEnglishBadman
A British Royal Marine was killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq.
A British tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight. The Turret was blown off and two of the crewmembers killed
Sorry, couldn't fit all the incidents in one post. Check Wikipedia "friendly fire" or confirm through British papers websites
guamsst 1 year ago
@TheEnglishBadman
A Brit Military Police officer was shot dead by a fellow Brit soldier on patrol
9 Brit soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, Para Regt. injured after being fired on by Brit Army Apache while on patrol in Afghanistan Jul 9, 08
LCpl Ford, of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died of a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on Jan 15, 07, later found to be due to friendly fire from a fellow Royal Marine machine gun.
guamsst 1 year ago
@TheEnglishBadman
British soldiers in operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, fired Javelin anti-tank missiles at Danish soldiers from The
Royal Life Guards, killing two.[38] It is also confirmed from Danish forces that the British fired a total of 6-8 heat-seeking
Javelin missiles, over a 1½ hour period
guamsst 1 year ago
@TheEnglishBadman
A USAF F-15 called in to support British ground forces in Afghanistan dropped a bomb on those forces due to incorrect coordinates
given to the pilot by a British Forward Air Controller. 3 privates of the 1st Battalion, the Royal Anglian Regiment, were killed
and two others were severely injured. The British Forward Air Controller is now facing manslaughter charges
guamsst 1 year ago 2
@TheEnglishBadman and what should thtey do with all the Brits that are responsible for friendly fire?
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst And thirdly: we do discipline people in our armed forces for being negligent. This is an act of negligence, from the pilot and from Manilla too.orange squares are the air recognition for coalition forces. What's the fucking point in having them on our vehicles if the US are going to unleash "weekend warriors" with A10s on them anyway? It's fucking pointless. He didn't compete the procedure for acquisition and is therefore liable; we court martial for that, you don't seem to give a fuck
WickyWiggstaz 5 months ago
@WickyWiggstaz Oh, so no one else in the middle east can get access to orange plastic? They were told there were no friendlies in the area. If the enemy puts orange panels on all their vehicles I guess we can all just go home. Second of all. They thought it was orange rockets or missiles. And yes, those do exist. Lastly, I keep hearing from Brits about how terrible and poorly trained we are. Yet they can never seem to explain the fact that you have killed more of your own than we have.
guamsst 5 months ago
They cannot blame the pilots for this, they did their job but didn't get good enough intel. And someone says that the pilots didn't care about the people down there and their families, you don't scream like that if you don't care.
0Tanaka0 1 year ago
Mistakes happen. In life you learn by mistakes, in war, lives get lost. This is just one of those moments. It was the fault of the communication between teams. It was not the pilots fault. He sees "orange", so he checks to make sure its not freindly. If we had better communication between our forces things like this wouldn't happen. Its just something we had to learn the hard way.
And i feel so sorry for that pilot. He was so upset when he heard it was blue on blue.
thebestpioltever 1 year ago
Imagen what he felt like when they said one was killed and one injured, it was not his fault, the People told him there was no Friendly so it was Best he take the "Enemy" out or he might have got shot down, it was not the pilots fault, That must suck though, What happend to the pilot?
umpalumpa101909 1 year ago
Everybody screws up, and if you think these pilots were thinking more about their own skins than the fact that they'd killed and wounded a friendly, you're sorely mistaken. Some of these thumbs up comments are just sad. That sounds like an awesome plan, blame us, because we're clearly the only ones who make mistakes. Wow, is all I've got to say.
mrjeb 1 year ago
America's armed forces is strength by virtue of numbers and top-notch equipment, but CERTAINLY NOT training!!!
sicksonethree 1 year ago
I usually stand up for americans and there friendly fire but this video is different
METALLICA3077 1 year ago
This was an accident, you cannot blame the Americans for this incident or others like it. The real blame should go to those who precipitated this war; on both sides.
jushayward 1 year ago
what sucks things like this happen.And to say they didnt care is bullshit they were tore up about it.1000's of american planes are flying cover for british and american troops the odds say this should happen more often than it does.
gizmoshadow1978 1 year ago
"we're in jail dude"
yeah that's the last thing that'd be on my mind after dropping a bomb and gunning down some friendlies.
policeman1313 1 year ago
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i feel sorry for the pilot, its an awful thing to have on your concious. I agree with the guy speaking at the end though
k321k321 1 year ago
i feel sorry for the pilot, its an awful thing to have on your concious. I agree with the guy speaking at the end though
k321k321 1 year ago
i feel sorry for the pilot, its an awful thing to have on your concious.
k321k321 1 year ago
idiot pilot
ShinElton 1 year ago
says you retard . why dont you try flying a jet and see how you get on
ebayaddict19 1 year ago
yes but its relatively easy to tell the difference between crappy taliban trucks and british convoys, in evenly spaced formation. They give jets windows for a reason, so the pilot can SEE AND THINK
Alexc3217 1 year ago
it is amazin how they have just killed one british soldier and wounded another and yet all they care about is what is goin to happen to them when they get back to base. one says they will be put in prison. well what about the family of the soldier you just murdered because you were to stupid to look down and see if there was an orange cross. they are going to be imprisoned their entire life now by the hurt and pain of losing this boy.
joesheehan95 1 year ago 3
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SDdynasty1 1 year ago
@joesheehan95 you cant really claim the pilots as murders but Foolish, and negligent maybe. From my point of view on this blue on blue and other video was fact of poor intel, human error, and the orange panels. Yes my heart is out there for Matty Hull and his family also it truly sad that the good ones die young, but we have to come to a conclusion of reality, war is an ugly thing, there no such thing of having no casualties in any war record in history
SDdynasty1 1 year ago
@joesheehan95 Why don't you put yourself in that situation and see how you'd react. Don't judge people in incredibly stressful and traumatic situations, dumbass.
RamenOps 1 year ago
@RamenOps
im not saying it isnt stressful but it isnt exactly the first time and american pilot has done this and the show almost no remorce or sorrow for the fact they have just killed a friendly soldier
joesheehan95 1 year ago
@joesheehan95 the crew of the ac10 were clearly devastated and they were national gaurd were they not they were not even briefed on what colours signified which allies had they been told in the begining by their command that orange was british forces that wouldnt have happened , so the blame doesnt lay with the pilots it falls directly on their superiors the pilots will have to live with what they did but its lack of communication in their command that caused it
2803jmwatt 1 year ago
@2803jmwatt "We're in jail, dude." The guy that said that sounded more like he was pissed that they were going to get bollocked for it, not because he'd just blown the shit out of one of his allies.
Jems17 1 year ago
The list goes on and on for EVERY Nation on the planet since war was "invented"....no Nation or Military have hands clean of their own patriots blood and the blood of allies.
actonbath 1 year ago
Precisely; however, some more than others! Actonbath you seem out to vilify certain individuals based on nationality. Soldiers, of all nations are merely pawns in a game steered by political objectives- there sir is my quandary. I am afraid I have no interest in a spat about whose army is more professional; I'll leave that one to the kids on the playground to decide. And to be frank, if what you have said about your past is true, I do not doubt you, you should know better. Do you not agree?
jushayward 1 year ago
Are SAS "highly trained"? ...one unit attacked and destroyed "enemy" SAS riverine boat in Iraq......
actonbath 1 year ago