For a moment, Heather, I thought you were sincere about finding god. I sat through the whole video and laughed my ass off at the when you were talking about what you were giving up for your new belief. When I knew you were being sarcastic, I gained even more respect for you. Keep smiling honey!
skepticalbliss We were created (given life) to fellowship with a Holy God. He has revealed to us, His guide lines for an abundant life. Mankind has responed back to God just like you did. He designed us to live a way that there would be peace and goodwill among men. For those who do not wish for this lifestyle (remember you have a choice) they will not ever enter life but remain in death now and forevermore. It is pretty simple. You do not want your Creator in your life. I do! I love HIm!
Why do you care what I believe? I only care what you believe for one reason. Where will you spend your eternity? I could just ingore your sarcasm and live out my life, content in my faith. And yet I care about all the people who don't know about the personal relationship that they can have in Christ Jesus our Lord. Mock Him if you want, as they did 2000 years ago, yet He went to the cross for our sake. I love Jesus and He loves me. If you seek you too can find Him. God bless you
@usaf1964 You care about what I believe for some magical superstitious reasons. I care about what you believe because the wretched ignorance spread by religion is doing actual damage to things like education and health care. My concern is for this world. Yours is for a world you can't even prove exists. I feel my criticisms of your bullshit are far more justified than your despicable thinly veiled threats of where I'll spend eternity.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. You mock want you don't understand and to your own periI.
I suggest you have as much fun as you can, while you can. Your life is fleeting and you are actually taking time away from having fun by mocking your Creator. Leave the God subject for those of us who can believe and you stick to what you believe in, which is having fun. Sounds fair to me. Have fun while you can.
@usaf1964 Jesus who? I thought Allah was the Creator of all things? Or was it Zeus... wait, maybe I'm mistaken, I think it was Jupiter - or was Zeus another name for Jupiter. Jesus Fucking Christ your mythologies are so numerous.
91. No son (or offspring) did Allâh beget, nor is there any ilâh (god) along with Him. (If there had been many gods), then each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified be Allâh above all that they attribute to Him!
22. Had there been therein (in the heavens and the earth) âlihah(gods) besides Allâh, then verily both would have been ruined. Glorified be Allâh, the Lord of the Throne, (High is He) above all that (evil) they associate with Him!
42. Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم to these polytheists, pagans): "If there had been other âlihah (gods) along with Him as they assert, then they would certainly have sought out a way to the Lord of the Throne (seeking His Pleasures and to be near to Him).
@usaf1964 Jesus doesn't love anybody! Anyone who would say that children who disobey their parents should be stoned to death or that having lustful thoughts is worthy of hellfire is NOT a loving person - they are (and Jesus is) a vengeful, spiteful, angry, sex-deprived sadist!
@Recordbhoy Not so. I find her sense of humor quite intriguing and worth my time,(as evidenced by the fact that I do most of my YouTubing with my visual focus not on the video playing. Her also being hot is simply a bonus for my eyes when I actually am looking at the video.
If that's not CGI, that's some really awesome cloud formation. I love when you can make out realistic three dimensional shapes. I once saw a nearly fully formed 3D figure of a duck in the clouds, and it sure as hell beat all the times I saw 2D ducks.
Oh my, so god is a slightly photoshopped-looking mass of condensed water vapor? That's new. And a tad cooler than being on a grilled cheese sandwich, or a taco, or a pretzel, or a pebble, or a window pane, or as a "strange light shape" on a developed photo.
The only things I ever see in clouds are turtles and penises. What does that say about me, I wonder...? (No, don't answer that.)
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You are so shallow. You don't understand the first thing about the concept of God. You are so arrogant to think that in your small mind, if you don't understand the awesomeness of God, then he must be non-existent. How dare you proclaim with such certainty that there is no God. Learn a little first. You must be an ignorant and foolish left winger. How sad.
@Zathinean You know, my personal relationship with Jesus used to be the most important thing in the world to me. It took years of research and education to realize that the great big god I believed in was never actually there. I wasted so much of my life believing in something that was false. I feel I've earned the right to joke about it without having to back myself up with facts every flippin' time.
@CompletelyLovely I feel that I owe you an apology for coming across very strongly. I was guilty of responding with too much emotion and annoyance. I guess my only point is that it appears presumptuous to scoff and claim with absolute certainty that there is no God. I respect that you researched and you have many legitimate questions, as do most of us, but I know that the answers are out there. Is it possible that Jesus is a false God and you haven't found the real God yet?
@CompletelyLovely If you are looking for the absolute truth, I hope that you don't give up and settle for the "easy" alternative which is based on the maximum capacity of human understanding. I was surprised and touched that you took my comment seriously enough to respond.
@Horses4life1001 Eternal happiness? No, I wouldn't like that. What I value about this world involves heartbreak, pain, hard work, and ambitiously chasing my dreams while fearing that I might fail. Bliss would be a boring and worthless existence, and I have no time for that sort of thinking. I need fear and anger and sadness to make life a full and rich experience. Believing in an impossible and empty concept like eternal happiness is nothing compared to bravely facing reality.
@CompletelyLovely so you would perfer eternal suffering? this like if so short, eternity is a long time and you know theres only 2 ways out, Heaven or hell. I'd go on the path of Heaven wouldnt you?
@CompletelyLovely you say you researched? bullshit your are the dumbest fuck of a girl ever! jesus exsisted enjoy hell bitch... if hell doesnt exist or heaven explain to me why people have near death experiences and see god explain why there are demons and the world is balanced so if there are demons there are angels... damn bitch your so fucking stupid
@AbyssalPaintballing Near death experiences are simply a lack of oxygen to the brain, it causes people to see things. Fighter Pilots training in a centrifuge report remarkably similar experiences to near death experiences. The people that see god are religious. There are some that have experienced a "light a light at the end of the tunnel" even in centrifuges. I recall one story of an atheist that had a near death experience...of zombies... Does that mean zombies are real? Demons don't exist
@AbyssalPaintballing Just because you say demons exist doesn't mean they do. Instead of just spout off fucking bullshit why not actually provide proof. Even if demons existed that still wouldn't prove the existence of angels.
Beyond that, even if god did exist, the chances of him being the god that you believe in is almost nothing. If he did exist, there would be no way to determine which god to believe in.
@AbyssalPaintballing Historians have cataloged nearly 3,000 deities (conservative numbers). Out of all of those, the one that you picked just happens to the correct one. And the one reason you even believe the one that you do is because of where you grew up. Had you grown up in the middle east, in all likelihood you would be Muslim.
@Zathinean I have never heard something so arrogant. You assume that you are more intelligent that this woman whilst admitting to being fooled by the oldest trick in the book. Your god is nothing but a fart in human evolution, its a bad joke thats drawn out so long that even the memories of its humour are lost. You belittle her but in admitting that you are religious you admit that you your capacity for decerning philosophical argument stops at one a child could refute. You are a joke, how sad.
@Zathinean Awesomeness says who? Why can God kill and not human beings? Pick your dictator or mafia boss and they have power, self proclaimed wisdom and give you substance to your life, yet you wouldn't let any of those facts excuse the evil dictator one bit. Yet somehow when the overlord dictator, God, is at the supremest level he is exempt from that?
You don't get your morals from the Bible God otherwise you'd have no problem with slavery or stoning children for disobedience
@th3inquisitiv31 Actually it looks like Erik Svensonn or some other "northfolk" who was washed away from Iceland to Newfoundland, and landed on Vinland shores.
Maybe it's just the ghost of some Viking who discovered Vinland, and wanted to see what happened to the "fellow norse folkies". So it looks too much like a Viking or even a Swede, to think that's god.
@Soveraine A “ghost” . . . ? Hmmmmm. Perhaps . . . I am more inclined to agree with a previous commenter and say that it is the one and only true gawd, Zeus.
Clearly god hates New Brunswick as he's 'personally' materialising in the thunder clouds to destroy the place. I still think it looks a bit too cgi to be real.
I find this offensive. As a long time member of the Holy Cloud Society I don't like my beliefs being challanged with your petty propaganda of facts and logic. NOT IN MY SKY!
Pissed off? that's putting it mildly."And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them. ... If you don't live in the land of make believe you are safe.
That isn't God! Everybody knows that God is 80 feet long, He has a long grey beard, and He has a big "G" on his spandex suit. Oh--He would never reveal himself in Canada--when God comes back to kick some ass, He will start in Texas!
@M3PanoS The fact that throughout the old testament, he'd get angry and slaughter thousands of innocent people, for one. He had a nice little habit of making sure children died brutally. Not to mention the fact that if you believe in him, you believe that he's actively torturing every good person who has ever lived who didn't kiss his ass. Angry, vindictive, and cruel doesn't begin to describe his horrible nature.
@CompletelyLovely Yes I can see that, however, I don't think you're understanding the nature of my question. My question is what gives YOU the authority to make judgments on what is good and evil?
@M3PanoS I have a basic understanding of what behaviours and actions lead to the well being of myself and other humans. I'm no scholar on morality, but I know that I can make someone happier with a hug and a smile than I can by torturing them in a pit of flames. And I value things like health and happiness because as a conscious animal, I have collected data on various states, and determined that happy is favourable to agony. It may not be objective truth, but it's damn reliable.
@CompletelyLovely Ok, well at least you've admitted that well being vs agony doesn't equate to good vs evil. In that case, I have to point out the obvious mistake here: you saying that God is evil for causing agony. That is not logically deducible. Reliable for the most part for finite beings? Yes. Objective? Definitely not.
That's all I wanted to say. But I am also curious of if you ever wanted to know why He did these things? Or if you thought His actions could even be justifiable?
@M3PanoS Nope, you're wrong, I never admitted that. Evil means profoundly immoral and malevolent. I've demonstrated that Yahweh is profoundly immoral and malevolent, simply enough. Look up any other dictionary definition of evil you want. It's takes barely any effort to demonstrate that Yahweh possesses all the properties associated with any definition of evil. Of course I've wondered if his actions could be justifiable. Those types of thoughts lead to me being an atheist.
@CompletelyLovely Lolwut? Yes, you did: "It may not be objective truth, but it's damn reliable."
You have equated morality to well being. Something which cannot be done. If you can't acknowledge this error, there is nothing else I can say to sway your mind; you have to do it yourself.
So then you have concluded that you have enough knowledge to state that what God did is evil? Tell me what knowledge you have that I don't then because I'm really curious...
@M3PanoS The God of the bible is evil based on the definition of the word evil. His actions demonstrate his evil nature again and again. He is cruel and vindictive to an appalling extent. Objective morality is not necessary to deem him evil. Nowhere in the definition of evil does objective morality come in to play. It's a word created by humans, and it can therefore be used to describe things we've discovered with a reliable human understanding.
@CompletelyLovely Yea sure lol. You just said He's evil because the definition says He is. Circular reasoning much? And I'm curious as to your definition of evil? OH WAIT, I already know what it is: HARM. But I already told you, you can't equate evil and harm. Now, you're just going in a circle, so there's nothing I can really say...
Also, you never told me what special knowledge you have to know for a fact that what God did was in fact evil. You just gave prejudicial accusations.
@M3PanoS ..."what gives YOU the authority to make judgments on what is good and evil?"
Who else could? What determines morality is the general consensus of a larger populate not the words of ignorant bronze aged theists.
I don't want to be harmed in any way and no one has the right to attempt to. For a better understanding of morality and it's origins, refer to Matt Dillahunty and The Source of Human Morality.
@koolanator Subjective morality is no morality at all and one that cannot come out alive after careful scrutiny.
Objective morality exists, whether you acknowledge it or not. Just because we don't always know what it is in a given situation doesn't mean we don't all strive towards it through our own SUBJECTIVE means. That's the only subjective part, our struggle, not that it exists.
You just invoked objective morality when you said: 'no one has the right to attempt to.'
@M3PanoS Objective morality is complete baloney :D It is yet another castle built on the sand like all philosophy. I dar you to find the scale by which all living breathing human beings must stand by regardless of race sex creed or culture that cannot be undone by merely saying "no". We all will be waiting.
@shkotay Yea, if I came up to you and said I wanted to break your arm, I bet money you'd want to invoke an objective moral standard to stop me. Because otherwise it's just your word against mine, and since I'm going to assume I'm stronger than you, my word would win. :D :D :D
And if you truly believe that stupid cultural context argument, don't ever condemn someone else for doing something repulsive in your mind.
And that scale is the Bible. Go ahead and say no. The scale still condemns you.
@M3PanoS You lie lol :D Try to pull simple trick on children to convince them of your sophistry ifyou must but not here. You feel you subscribe to an objective moral standard which according to the bibl gives you the god given right to rape kill pillage burn and discriminate and condemn ppl to everlasting torture. You try to impose that on me, or a broken arm, I guarantee you my ideal of that standard will be with all those things done to you instead. I merely refute it by word or action.
@shkotay Dude, you're digging yourself into a hole. Stop. I never said it's ok to rape, kill, pillage, burn, etc...
But there's a very good reason why it's not okay for me to do these things. I want to know what reason you have for saying God can't.
I am not imposing anything on you, I'm just showing you the fallibility of your position. Something you keep proving over and over...and over...and over.
@M3PanoS It will take YEARS to get you to understand everything about me. But to sum it up in one line. "I have reached a level of understanding of the world around me that many believe boarders upon spirituality but to me it is simple logic"
@koolanator That's just more of you trying to justify yourself. Saying it would take years for me to understand you is equivalent to saying that after billions of years life evolved. (Uh oh, I'm in deep trouble now.) I never asked for your justification though, you're not going to answer to me, you will answer to God.
I already know you. You, and everyone else. We are all sinners in need of a savior. THAT is the deepest and most profound truth about you and me, nothing else.
@M3PanoS You claim the bible is the absolute standard in one sentence, yet in the very next you said "I never said its ok to...blah blah". You sure its me diging the hole here? Do you not think people can see you are choosing to parse out what supports your argument for the bible as the scale by which all humans live by and ignoring what desnt by disclaiming what you did or didnt say? Face it, you cant support your argument because its base is horribly flawed and full of lies and deceit.
@shkotay Yea, I never said it's okay to do these things and neither does the Bible. Your comprehension skills are off the charts.
I say the Bible is the absolute scale, but we can argue about it because of our subjectivity. Still thought, that doesn't change the fact that it's the scale.
Man, I already went over this same line of reasoning in a moral context with the other guys...I'm done here, figure it out yourself...
@M3PanoS you never once used any "line of reasoning" in any of your arguments. All you did was spew contradicting rhetoric laced with fallacious statements. And you clearly don't know what ad hominem means. Ad hominem is when a person insults a rival in a debate. Calling your argument fallacious and puerile (which IS a valid critique) is not committing an ad hominem fallacy because it attacks the argument, not the person making the argument.
@TheManMostMysterious Wow, you're stupid. I said calling an argument stupid, which is what he did, is LIKE ad hominem. And it IS. Until you tell me WHY my argument is stupid, you're just trying to use ridicule, SAME EXACT thing as ad hominem. Thus, calling an argument fallacious and puerile without reason IS an attack, dumbass.
Lol, I can accuse you of the same thing, you keep saying all I do is spew rhetoric and fallacious statements, yet you CAN'T say WHY.
@M3PanoS Calling me stupid. THAT is an ad hominem fallacy. Same as calling me a dumbass. And here's an example of your fallacious reasoning: You say that the Bible is an absolute moral guide, you specifically called it "the scale", and yet the Bible advocates things such as rape, genocide, slavery, infanticide, and familial cannibalism as a just punishment. That is contradictory. So if the Bible is contradictory, it can't be an "absolute scale". I don't believe I was the first to say that either
Wait a second here, for you to say that the Bible is NOT the scale and immoral, you must have your own from which to judge it. I'd love to see it...
(In b4, yea my own scale, based on reasoned thought, which tells me that it's wrong to advocate such things as rape, genocide, slavery, infanticide and familial cannibalism!!1!)
@M3PanoS Humans can tell right from wrong without the need of a barbaric, Bronze Age religious text to distinguish for them moral behavior from immoral behavior. Humanity was perfectly able to do that before the Bible was ever written. Before any religious text was ever written, for that matter.
And what "reasoned thought" are you referring to? I still doubt that you are capable of such a thing as reasoned thought (that was an attack on YOUR character).
@TheManMostMysterious The reasoned thought you just appealed to, the idea that humans can tell right from wrong innately. But you can't account for that. Where did it come from?
And I'm not contesting that people weren't able to be moral before the Bible was written, I'm saying that the God of the Bible is the objective moral standard. You can moralize and you don't even believe in God.
@M3PanoS The God of the Bible is an absolute moral standard but he advocates immoral behavior? Keep in mind that Yahweh condoned all of the immoral acts that I previously listed. Therefore he cannot be an absolute moral standard because he is not absolutely moral.
And actually, I am Deist, so I do believe in God. But once again, God did not come down from Heaven and give us a moral code. Morality is merely instinctual. Even lesser apes can distinguish good behavior from bad behavior.
@M3PanoS The fact the the Bible advocates acts of rape, slavery, murder, genocide, infanticide, and familial cannibalism disqualifies it as an absolute moral standards. In no context whatsoever are any of those acts ever permissable or justifiable; they will always be immoral. And because the Bible advocates these immoral acts, it is not an absolute moral standard. Every religious text is this way because they are written by man, not God. Because all religious texts have this flaw, I am a Deist
@TheManMostMysterious You're looking at the picture in only black and white, so you're missing all the underlying details. If you think that a perfectly moral God is defined as some prancing mythological fairy that doesn't condemn anyone, then that is a god that I don't consider worthy of worship.
No, the Bible doesn't advocate immoral acts, read the Gospels.
@M3PanoS Read the entire Old Testament, the Bible most certainly does advocate moral acts. And your argument is contradictory. You've claimed previously that the God of the Bible is the absolutely moral guide, therefore the God of the Bible must be absolutely moral, but he advocates immoral behavior so he can't be and absolute moral guide. And your description of my belief in God as a "prancing mythological fairy" is a gross oversimplification.
@M3PanoS In no context are ANY of those things ever moral. I don't need to explain why rape, slavery, genocide, infanticide, and familial cannibalism are immoral. What did the first born children of Egypt do that the deserved to die? Nothing, they were killed because of Pharaoh's sin. How about the people of Jericho? God ordered the Jews to kill all of them, including the youngest children. He also allowed them rape capture Canannite women. A benevolent God would never allow such things.
@M3PanoS and furthermore, I never once claimed that God punishing the wicked was immoral. I claimed that rape, slavery, murder, genocide, infanticide, and familial cannibalism are immoral. Many of the recipients of these acts in the Bible were not wicked. They merely stood in the way of the Hebrews in their conquest of Cana or they believed in a different God. The Bible was retroactively written with the intent of claiming it as "God's Word" in order to justify these reprehensible actions.
@TheManMostMysterious You can't just keep throwing out these accusations without first trying to understand the reasoning. The fact that you do so reflects immensely more on your pretenses to quickly dismiss the Bible, rather than on the supposedly 'evil' God of the Bible.
If you really want to start learning about the OT, and not just caricaturing it, here's a good video to start with: watch?v=fYEVMWCDuIg&feature=feedu
@M3PanoS My accusations are right on the money. How can you reason those things? Explain to me how acts such as rape, murder, slavery, infanticide, genocide, and familial cannibalism are EVER permissable? Why did God punish all the first borns of Egypt for Pharaoh's sins? Why did he order the wholesale slaughter of all the Canaanites when they had done absolutely nothing accept for settling in the land that the Hebrew's wanted? Answer those questions.
@TheManMostMysterious Wow, I give you a source, and you disregard it only so you can throw the same accusations in my face. Yes, I know these acts need answers, but YOU don't want the answers. You want the quick, easy answers that allow you to say God is evil in your head. You're NOT going to get those quick, easy answers, so you say there are none.
If that's how you want to be, I can't help you, sorry.
@M3PanoS Thats not what I said at all. I asked you to answer my questions. Which you haven't done. And I'm a small bit of the way done with that video actually and Guthrie has yet to provide a sensible answer.
@M3PanoS and I don't say God is evil. I say that the God of the Bible, Yahweh, isn't really God. Yahweh isn't real. Is there a God, possibly, but I don't believe that its Yahweh.
God's ear is kind of high up on his head but otherwise quite a handsome dude!
55chh 3 hours ago
This was funny. I thought it looked like George Washington, my sons Abe Lincoln.
MsMommaRose 3 weeks ago
No, thats not god, That is without doubt my auntie Maud
cyberpup1000 1 month ago
For a moment, Heather, I thought you were sincere about finding god. I sat through the whole video and laughed my ass off at the when you were talking about what you were giving up for your new belief. When I knew you were being sarcastic, I gained even more respect for you. Keep smiling honey!
cdickenson64 2 months ago
Very like a whale. -Hamlet
VoxNeruda 2 months ago
You found God on Barack Obama's birthday! I bet he's never shown up for George W.
jerrygreg2 2 months ago
Your Abrahamic Flat Earth God is not real, you are living a very big lie, Sincerely may you never feel my pain
MagicTellaVision 2 months ago
Speaking of seeing things in clouds.When I see 'em I want mashed potatoes with ketchup!!!! Plain mashed potatoes just plain sucks XD.
argh698 2 months ago
skepticalbliss We were created (given life) to fellowship with a Holy God. He has revealed to us, His guide lines for an abundant life. Mankind has responed back to God just like you did. He designed us to live a way that there would be peace and goodwill among men. For those who do not wish for this lifestyle (remember you have a choice) they will not ever enter life but remain in death now and forevermore. It is pretty simple. You do not want your Creator in your life. I do! I love HIm!
usaf1964 3 months ago
Thank you for your kind response. Death answers all questions about, " Is there a God? " I won't bother you anymore....have a wonderful life.
usaf1964 3 months ago
Why do you care what I believe? I only care what you believe for one reason. Where will you spend your eternity? I could just ingore your sarcasm and live out my life, content in my faith. And yet I care about all the people who don't know about the personal relationship that they can have in Christ Jesus our Lord. Mock Him if you want, as they did 2000 years ago, yet He went to the cross for our sake. I love Jesus and He loves me. If you seek you too can find Him. God bless you
usaf1964 3 months ago
@usaf1964 You care about what I believe for some magical superstitious reasons. I care about what you believe because the wretched ignorance spread by religion is doing actual damage to things like education and health care. My concern is for this world. Yours is for a world you can't even prove exists. I feel my criticisms of your bullshit are far more justified than your despicable thinly veiled threats of where I'll spend eternity.
CompletelyLovely 3 months ago 11
@CompletelyLovely Well said, Lovely!
dushenko 1 month ago
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. You mock want you don't understand and to your own periI.
I suggest you have as much fun as you can, while you can. Your life is fleeting and you are actually taking time away from having fun by mocking your Creator. Leave the God subject for those of us who can believe and you stick to what you believe in, which is having fun. Sounds fair to me. Have fun while you can.
Oh, forgot to tell you that Jesus loves you.
usaf1964 3 months ago
@usaf1964 Jesus who? I thought Allah was the Creator of all things? Or was it Zeus... wait, maybe I'm mistaken, I think it was Jupiter - or was Zeus another name for Jupiter. Jesus Fucking Christ your mythologies are so numerous.
UnitedForReason 3 months ago
@UnitedForReason
There is only one God
Here is the reason::
Ch23
91. No son (or offspring) did Allâh beget, nor is there any ilâh (god) along with Him. (If there had been many gods), then each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified be Allâh above all that they attribute to Him!
Mrbobab 2 months ago
@UnitedForReason
Ch21
22. Had there been therein (in the heavens and the earth) âlihah(gods) besides Allâh, then verily both would have been ruined. Glorified be Allâh, the Lord of the Throne, (High is He) above all that (evil) they associate with Him!
Mrbobab 2 months ago
@UnitedForReason
Ch17
42. Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم to these polytheists, pagans): "If there had been other âlihah (gods) along with Him as they assert, then they would certainly have sought out a way to the Lord of the Throne (seeking His Pleasures and to be near to Him).
Mrbobab 2 months ago
@usaf1964 Jesus doesn't love anybody! Anyone who would say that children who disobey their parents should be stoned to death or that having lustful thoughts is worthy of hellfire is NOT a loving person - they are (and Jesus is) a vengeful, spiteful, angry, sex-deprived sadist!
SkepticalBliss 3 months ago
@usaf1964 "You mock want[sic] you don't understand and to[sic] your own periI.PHRASES
at one's peril at one's own risk (used esp. in warnings) : neglect our advice at your peril.
in (or at) peril of very likely to incur or to suffer from ...
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French, from Latin peric(u)lum ‘danger,’ from the base of experiri ‘to try.’ The verb dates from the mid 16th cent.
We mock you because you make it easy.
moopism 1 month ago
@usaf1964 "Oh, forgot to tell you that Jesus loves you."
Sure sounds like you're saying 'fuck you' to me.....
moopism 1 month ago
@TheBlood2pay YES, that was Lady Gaga. It was her POKER FACE!
lakebay972 4 months ago
That cloud looks like Joe Pesci.
Kllgg 4 months ago
It is a cool cloud.
robert1268 4 months ago
That's not God. It's the East Wind, the one we don't often see.
GodPatrol 4 months ago
I see a monkey. Praise Cloud Monkey!
HeyDuffy459 4 months ago in playlist Videos from CompletelyLovely
OMG, I FOUND THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE :/
Sboy200 4 months ago
You do realise if you weren't so hot , not a single soul on youtube would waste a moment listening to your bullshit
Recordbhoy 4 months ago
@Recordbhoy Not so. I find her sense of humor quite intriguing and worth my time,(as evidenced by the fact that I do most of my YouTubing with my visual focus not on the video playing. Her also being hot is simply a bonus for my eyes when I actually am looking at the video.
Kllgg 4 months ago
I found God too. He was down the sofa along with the TV remote and £3.28 in loose change.
ThomasTrue 4 months ago
Love it!
I would have liked having friends like you, stay on the open road.
VogonJ 4 months ago
i for one welcome our new vapor based overlords
MjXllcommando 5 months ago
If you look closely, you can see there is a chimp nibblilng at God's ear. Probably his god-chimp cousin.
ZergAteu 5 months ago
Maybe it was just me, but does god have a receding hairline?
dnlbraden 5 months ago
If that's not CGI, that's some really awesome cloud formation. I love when you can make out realistic three dimensional shapes. I once saw a nearly fully formed 3D figure of a duck in the clouds, and it sure as hell beat all the times I saw 2D ducks.
Delphanious 5 months ago
i found god too, but he was in my toilet after i shat him out.
c0mpiled 5 months ago
Silly theists, that wasn't God, that was Puff the Marshmellow Man who just gobbled up a marshmellow factory.
He didn't look very angry to me....more like happy and constipated.
ButterflyChristie 5 months ago
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motormouth1000101 5 months ago
It could be Abraham Lincoln looking sideways. Abraham Lincoln's a god.
motormouth1000101 5 months ago
I found God. He was hiding under the lettuce in a big mac I ate today.
Wonmanbanned 5 months ago
Oh my, so god is a slightly photoshopped-looking mass of condensed water vapor? That's new. And a tad cooler than being on a grilled cheese sandwich, or a taco, or a pretzel, or a pebble, or a window pane, or as a "strange light shape" on a developed photo.
The only things I ever see in clouds are turtles and penises. What does that say about me, I wonder...? (No, don't answer that.)
GreyLabyrinthine 5 months ago
What a great long haired star dust beauty!
12dollarsand78cents 6 months ago
Looks like George Washington.
RobotNineVideo 6 months ago
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You are so shallow. You don't understand the first thing about the concept of God. You are so arrogant to think that in your small mind, if you don't understand the awesomeness of God, then he must be non-existent. How dare you proclaim with such certainty that there is no God. Learn a little first. You must be an ignorant and foolish left winger. How sad.
Zathinean 6 months ago
@Zathinean You know, my personal relationship with Jesus used to be the most important thing in the world to me. It took years of research and education to realize that the great big god I believed in was never actually there. I wasted so much of my life believing in something that was false. I feel I've earned the right to joke about it without having to back myself up with facts every flippin' time.
CompletelyLovely 6 months ago 37
@CompletelyLovely I feel that I owe you an apology for coming across very strongly. I was guilty of responding with too much emotion and annoyance. I guess my only point is that it appears presumptuous to scoff and claim with absolute certainty that there is no God. I respect that you researched and you have many legitimate questions, as do most of us, but I know that the answers are out there. Is it possible that Jesus is a false God and you haven't found the real God yet?
Zathinean 6 months ago
@CompletelyLovely If you are looking for the absolute truth, I hope that you don't give up and settle for the "easy" alternative which is based on the maximum capacity of human understanding. I was surprised and touched that you took my comment seriously enough to respond.
Zathinean 6 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Well Said
geostigma123 5 months ago
@CompletelyLovely What made you change your mind? Isn't His offer mean anything to you, eternal happiness :D wouldnt you like that
You wil seriously one day regret mocking THE GREAT ALMIGHT CREATOR! You will be judged. Repent girl!
Horses4life1001 5 months ago
@Horses4life1001 Eternal happiness? No, I wouldn't like that. What I value about this world involves heartbreak, pain, hard work, and ambitiously chasing my dreams while fearing that I might fail. Bliss would be a boring and worthless existence, and I have no time for that sort of thinking. I need fear and anger and sadness to make life a full and rich experience. Believing in an impossible and empty concept like eternal happiness is nothing compared to bravely facing reality.
CompletelyLovely 5 months ago 29
@CompletelyLovely so you would perfer eternal suffering? this like if so short, eternity is a long time and you know theres only 2 ways out, Heaven or hell. I'd go on the path of Heaven wouldnt you?
xxx
Horses4life1001 5 months ago
@CompletelyLovely ...wasn't there fake g0d supp0se t0 sh0w up first ?
~I think they called it the anti-christ
=c0me lets ruin the crash the party L0vely ?
docatomics 4 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Yes, the reality of eternal damnation ..I hope you can bravely face that
Recordbhoy 4 months ago
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@CompletelyLovely you say you researched? bullshit your are the dumbest fuck of a girl ever! jesus exsisted enjoy hell bitch... if hell doesnt exist or heaven explain to me why people have near death experiences and see god explain why there are demons and the world is balanced so if there are demons there are angels... damn bitch your so fucking stupid
AbyssalPaintballing 4 months ago
@AbyssalPaintballing Near death experiences are simply a lack of oxygen to the brain, it causes people to see things. Fighter Pilots training in a centrifuge report remarkably similar experiences to near death experiences. The people that see god are religious. There are some that have experienced a "light a light at the end of the tunnel" even in centrifuges. I recall one story of an atheist that had a near death experience...of zombies... Does that mean zombies are real? Demons don't exist
halfawake454 3 months ago
@AbyssalPaintballing Just because you say demons exist doesn't mean they do. Instead of just spout off fucking bullshit why not actually provide proof. Even if demons existed that still wouldn't prove the existence of angels.
Beyond that, even if god did exist, the chances of him being the god that you believe in is almost nothing. If he did exist, there would be no way to determine which god to believe in.
halfawake454 3 months ago
@AbyssalPaintballing Historians have cataloged nearly 3,000 deities (conservative numbers). Out of all of those, the one that you picked just happens to the correct one. And the one reason you even believe the one that you do is because of where you grew up. Had you grown up in the middle east, in all likelihood you would be Muslim.
halfawake454 3 months ago
@Horses4life1001 you love god due to the THREAT of eternal darkness? If it was true, I'd CHOOSE eternal darkness to a baby brained fairy in the sky.
baalisgod666 4 months ago
@Horses4life1001 What makes you think anyone would be happy spending eternity in the vicinity if someone like you?
moopism 1 month ago
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lakebay972 4 months ago
@CompletelyLovely education is not the reason why people believe or not believe
sunshine9672 3 months ago
@Zathinean I have never heard something so arrogant. You assume that you are more intelligent that this woman whilst admitting to being fooled by the oldest trick in the book. Your god is nothing but a fart in human evolution, its a bad joke thats drawn out so long that even the memories of its humour are lost. You belittle her but in admitting that you are religious you admit that you your capacity for decerning philosophical argument stops at one a child could refute. You are a joke, how sad.
sacredgeometry 5 months ago
@Zathinean Awesomeness says who? Why can God kill and not human beings? Pick your dictator or mafia boss and they have power, self proclaimed wisdom and give you substance to your life, yet you wouldn't let any of those facts excuse the evil dictator one bit. Yet somehow when the overlord dictator, God, is at the supremest level he is exempt from that?
You don't get your morals from the Bible God otherwise you'd have no problem with slavery or stoning children for disobedience
RuinSonic 5 months ago
@Zathinean Are god believers right wingers? Really? Jesus was a gun-toting, poor people hating asshole like you? Really?
MrTruthAddict 5 months ago 2
@Zathinean You're a sad little twat.
moopism 1 month ago
That clip would have been great with "Mars, Bringer of War" behind it. Or "She Blinded me With Science" : )
danxenatro 6 months ago
You're the coolest.
stargasm1 6 months ago
That cloud looks more like George Washington than god. I think you found George Washington.
AdamRainStopper 6 months ago 3
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OMG! No pun intended.
lazyperfectionist1 6 months ago
teh lord has some sweet chops
DoctorStevenBrule 6 months ago
You found god? I didn't know he was missing. That cloud looks more like Jefferson
TheKilgoretrout 6 months ago
Oh gosh! god looks like Sitting Bull; Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake!
232fred78 6 months ago
Wait, wouldn't it be pertinent to know what god/jesus looked like, before one can recognize his face in the clouds
....Just saying
AtheistToothFairy 6 months ago
OMFG ZARDOZ. ZAAARDOOOZ. :|
TalkingWigHead 6 months ago
You found God? If nobody claims him within 30 days, he's yours to keep.
Resurrected06 6 months ago
@Resurrected06 What if a billion pretentious douchebags all claim him? Who gets him them?
Kllgg 4 months ago
god sure has some plump cheeks. looks like there is no shortage of food in heaven.
TheSandan 6 months ago
Fucking love your sass.
pandorachild 6 months ago
I FOUND A DRAGON, RUUUUN!
Reason4234 6 months ago
God looks like my aunt. O_o
dantheman931 6 months ago
God has a rockin mustache.
Brewhahh 6 months ago
0:51 Clearly shoes two gods not one. Polytheism is true. Which further backs the claim that Zues is real.
Foxcanine1 6 months ago
Why exactly am I not subscribed to you ? Mistake corrected.
V0r4xiz 6 months ago
I found God. He was behind the couch the whole time.
is3it7lonar 6 months ago 12
@is3it7lonar Really? You sure God wasn't hiding in the closet, with R.Kelly and the midget stripper?
Soveraine 6 months ago
@is3it7lonar lol thanks for the laugh :D
PornographicSoul 5 months ago
Heather, isn't pareidolia fun? :)
Jaybird196 7 months ago
looks like Odin to me
concord327 7 months ago
You found God?!?! How did you find Me?!?!?! I was hiding so well, I promise!!
I'm just kidding, I'm too real to be God...
Soveraine 7 months ago 22
@Soveraine harsh . . . .
th3inquisitiv31 6 months ago
@th3inquisitiv31 Actually it looks like Erik Svensonn or some other "northfolk" who was washed away from Iceland to Newfoundland, and landed on Vinland shores.
Maybe it's just the ghost of some Viking who discovered Vinland, and wanted to see what happened to the "fellow norse folkies". So it looks too much like a Viking or even a Swede, to think that's god.
I vote "ghost"? How about you?
Soveraine 6 months ago
@Soveraine A “ghost” . . . ? Hmmmmm. Perhaps . . . I am more inclined to agree with a previous commenter and say that it is the one and only true gawd, Zeus.
th3inquisitiv31 6 months ago
@th3inquisitiv31 Wasn't zeus a mortal king of crete? Deified post mortis?
Soveraine 6 months ago
@Soveraine Am not to sure about that. But Zeus is cool. Except when he isn't kidnapping and raping women . . . . LOLZ
th3inquisitiv31 6 months ago
@Soveraine
of course you're lying, and don't ever try to impersonate me again, k?
besides only my head is big enough to be mistaken for a cloud
realbojay 6 months ago
Clearly god hates New Brunswick as he's 'personally' materialising in the thunder clouds to destroy the place. I still think it looks a bit too cgi to be real.
XenogeneGray 7 months ago 2
@XenogeneGray /It looked more like the Navi of Avatar. PANDORA'S INVADING FIRST!?!?! Lol.
Soveraine 7 months ago
Wait a sec... I thought he was at the corner of 1st and Amistad...?
scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
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scotthorlbeck 7 months ago
Another great video.
canbuyu 7 months ago
I humbly admit defeat and renounce my atheism.
Thank you for this important public service announcement.
kissmygrittsyall 7 months ago
I'd be pissed off too if I ended up in Newfoundland.
Osias1983 7 months ago
Cloud gods are false idols. Cough, cough.
goosed1 7 months ago
Hal Lay yula...
lvtat1 7 months ago
It's David Crosby!
ripporter 7 months ago
this girl could do a good sarah palin impersonation..
cherryhollowboy 7 months ago
Can you buy a new camera, I like to watch you in some HD.
foxfourfan 7 months ago
Sure, that's god, but it's clearly ZEUS!
GoblinXXX 7 months ago 13
I find this offensive. As a long time member of the Holy Cloud Society I don't like my beliefs being challanged with your petty propaganda of facts and logic. NOT IN MY SKY!
kilroy227 7 months ago
well, ok this is convincing. its god. fine, i give in.
but which god?
theheinzification 7 months ago
I was not sitting down for this! I listen to youtube vlogs while I do the dishes!
Now, thanks to the shock of your discovery, I have broken all of my plates.
bottlezone 7 months ago
Pissed off? that's putting it mildly."And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them. ... If you don't live in the land of make believe you are safe.
Plus , god thinks you're totally hot ....
TheIAMINU 7 months ago
It IS pretty cool that the cloud looked like Santa, though.
Just4Now1000 7 months ago
So god's a fast moving squall line with a sharply delineated gust front? Hmph.
ThinkingManNeil 7 months ago
I never knew he was lost as so many people claim that they talk to him.
AtheistCanada 7 months ago
That looks like Baal! thats how Baal travels!
so christian and muslim are all wrong!!
opaldragon75 7 months ago
Actually, with all of the lightning strikes shown earlier in the news clip, it must be Zeus!
He's probably out again looking for some "action."
reg596 7 months ago
"Return the Map! Return what you have stolen!"
Looks like the Time Bandits have been at it again!
reg596 7 months ago
I thought it looked a lot more like Thunderf00t!!
alaskafido 7 months ago
I saw two gods.
newkarmazach 7 months ago
So god's wrath shall be it's hail storms and lightning strikes? Wait which god is it now?
Plasmon19 7 months ago
Heather havent you got anything better to do.
This video is a little lame.
No offence.
Nuron666 7 months ago
@Nuron666
Totally, but with a rack and a nice face, who needs to produce non-lame videos.
Shame on you for demanding some actually decent content for CompletelyLovely!
thethirdchimp 7 months ago
@thethirdchimp your probably right. Who cares about decent content, when we can admire Heathers sexy face
Nuron666 7 months ago
All I see is a completely lovely goddess of the YouTubez... ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 7 months ago
That isn't God! Everybody knows that God is 80 feet long, He has a long grey beard, and He has a big "G" on his spandex suit. Oh--He would never reveal himself in Canada--when God comes back to kick some ass, He will start in Texas!
hatemorethanyou999 7 months ago
LOL. Looks more like the Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man to me.
Killedkennyagain 7 months ago
On what grounds do you call the God of the Bible 'angry, vindictive and cruel?'
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS The fact that throughout the old testament, he'd get angry and slaughter thousands of innocent people, for one. He had a nice little habit of making sure children died brutally. Not to mention the fact that if you believe in him, you believe that he's actively torturing every good person who has ever lived who didn't kiss his ass. Angry, vindictive, and cruel doesn't begin to describe his horrible nature.
CompletelyLovely 7 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Yes I can see that, however, I don't think you're understanding the nature of my question. My question is what gives YOU the authority to make judgments on what is good and evil?
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS I have a basic understanding of what behaviours and actions lead to the well being of myself and other humans. I'm no scholar on morality, but I know that I can make someone happier with a hug and a smile than I can by torturing them in a pit of flames. And I value things like health and happiness because as a conscious animal, I have collected data on various states, and determined that happy is favourable to agony. It may not be objective truth, but it's damn reliable.
CompletelyLovely 7 months ago 11
@CompletelyLovely Ok, well at least you've admitted that well being vs agony doesn't equate to good vs evil. In that case, I have to point out the obvious mistake here: you saying that God is evil for causing agony. That is not logically deducible. Reliable for the most part for finite beings? Yes. Objective? Definitely not.
That's all I wanted to say. But I am also curious of if you ever wanted to know why He did these things? Or if you thought His actions could even be justifiable?
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS Nope, you're wrong, I never admitted that. Evil means profoundly immoral and malevolent. I've demonstrated that Yahweh is profoundly immoral and malevolent, simply enough. Look up any other dictionary definition of evil you want. It's takes barely any effort to demonstrate that Yahweh possesses all the properties associated with any definition of evil. Of course I've wondered if his actions could be justifiable. Those types of thoughts lead to me being an atheist.
CompletelyLovely 7 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Lolwut? Yes, you did: "It may not be objective truth, but it's damn reliable."
You have equated morality to well being. Something which cannot be done. If you can't acknowledge this error, there is nothing else I can say to sway your mind; you have to do it yourself.
So then you have concluded that you have enough knowledge to state that what God did is evil? Tell me what knowledge you have that I don't then because I'm really curious...
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS The God of the bible is evil based on the definition of the word evil. His actions demonstrate his evil nature again and again. He is cruel and vindictive to an appalling extent. Objective morality is not necessary to deem him evil. Nowhere in the definition of evil does objective morality come in to play. It's a word created by humans, and it can therefore be used to describe things we've discovered with a reliable human understanding.
CompletelyLovely 7 months ago
@CompletelyLovely Yea sure lol. You just said He's evil because the definition says He is. Circular reasoning much? And I'm curious as to your definition of evil? OH WAIT, I already know what it is: HARM. But I already told you, you can't equate evil and harm. Now, you're just going in a circle, so there's nothing I can really say...
Also, you never told me what special knowledge you have to know for a fact that what God did was in fact evil. You just gave prejudicial accusations.
Peace.
M3PanoS 7 months ago
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lakebay972 4 months ago
@M3PanoS ..."what gives YOU the authority to make judgments on what is good and evil?"
Who else could? What determines morality is the general consensus of a larger populate not the words of ignorant bronze aged theists.
I don't want to be harmed in any way and no one has the right to attempt to. For a better understanding of morality and it's origins, refer to Matt Dillahunty and The Source of Human Morality.
koolanator 7 months ago
@koolanator Subjective morality is no morality at all and one that cannot come out alive after careful scrutiny.
Objective morality exists, whether you acknowledge it or not. Just because we don't always know what it is in a given situation doesn't mean we don't all strive towards it through our own SUBJECTIVE means. That's the only subjective part, our struggle, not that it exists.
You just invoked objective morality when you said: 'no one has the right to attempt to.'
Dillahunty is a noob.
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS Objective morality is complete baloney :D It is yet another castle built on the sand like all philosophy. I dar you to find the scale by which all living breathing human beings must stand by regardless of race sex creed or culture that cannot be undone by merely saying "no". We all will be waiting.
shkotay 7 months ago
@shkotay Yea, if I came up to you and said I wanted to break your arm, I bet money you'd want to invoke an objective moral standard to stop me. Because otherwise it's just your word against mine, and since I'm going to assume I'm stronger than you, my word would win. :D :D :D
And if you truly believe that stupid cultural context argument, don't ever condemn someone else for doing something repulsive in your mind.
And that scale is the Bible. Go ahead and say no. The scale still condemns you.
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS You lie lol :D Try to pull simple trick on children to convince them of your sophistry ifyou must but not here. You feel you subscribe to an objective moral standard which according to the bibl gives you the god given right to rape kill pillage burn and discriminate and condemn ppl to everlasting torture. You try to impose that on me, or a broken arm, I guarantee you my ideal of that standard will be with all those things done to you instead. I merely refute it by word or action.
shkotay 7 months ago
@shkotay Dude, you're digging yourself into a hole. Stop. I never said it's ok to rape, kill, pillage, burn, etc...
But there's a very good reason why it's not okay for me to do these things. I want to know what reason you have for saying God can't.
I am not imposing anything on you, I'm just showing you the fallibility of your position. Something you keep proving over and over...and over...and over.
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS It will take YEARS to get you to understand everything about me. But to sum it up in one line. "I have reached a level of understanding of the world around me that many believe boarders upon spirituality but to me it is simple logic"
koolanator 7 months ago
@koolanator That's just more of you trying to justify yourself. Saying it would take years for me to understand you is equivalent to saying that after billions of years life evolved. (Uh oh, I'm in deep trouble now.) I never asked for your justification though, you're not going to answer to me, you will answer to God.
I already know you. You, and everyone else. We are all sinners in need of a savior. THAT is the deepest and most profound truth about you and me, nothing else.
M3PanoS 7 months ago
@M3PanoS You claim the bible is the absolute standard in one sentence, yet in the very next you said "I never said its ok to...blah blah". You sure its me diging the hole here? Do you not think people can see you are choosing to parse out what supports your argument for the bible as the scale by which all humans live by and ignoring what desnt by disclaiming what you did or didnt say? Face it, you cant support your argument because its base is horribly flawed and full of lies and deceit.
shkotay 6 months ago
@shkotay Yea, I never said it's okay to do these things and neither does the Bible. Your comprehension skills are off the charts.
I say the Bible is the absolute scale, but we can argue about it because of our subjectivity. Still thought, that doesn't change the fact that it's the scale.
Man, I already went over this same line of reasoning in a moral context with the other guys...I'm done here, figure it out yourself...
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS you never once used any "line of reasoning" in any of your arguments. All you did was spew contradicting rhetoric laced with fallacious statements. And you clearly don't know what ad hominem means. Ad hominem is when a person insults a rival in a debate. Calling your argument fallacious and puerile (which IS a valid critique) is not committing an ad hominem fallacy because it attacks the argument, not the person making the argument.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious Wow, you're stupid. I said calling an argument stupid, which is what he did, is LIKE ad hominem. And it IS. Until you tell me WHY my argument is stupid, you're just trying to use ridicule, SAME EXACT thing as ad hominem. Thus, calling an argument fallacious and puerile without reason IS an attack, dumbass.
Lol, I can accuse you of the same thing, you keep saying all I do is spew rhetoric and fallacious statements, yet you CAN'T say WHY.
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS Calling me stupid. THAT is an ad hominem fallacy. Same as calling me a dumbass. And here's an example of your fallacious reasoning: You say that the Bible is an absolute moral guide, you specifically called it "the scale", and yet the Bible advocates things such as rape, genocide, slavery, infanticide, and familial cannibalism as a just punishment. That is contradictory. So if the Bible is contradictory, it can't be an "absolute scale". I don't believe I was the first to say that either
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious Yea, those were attacks on your character. :D
Wait a second here, for you to say that the Bible is NOT the scale and immoral, you must have your own from which to judge it. I'd love to see it...
(In b4, yea my own scale, based on reasoned thought, which tells me that it's wrong to advocate such things as rape, genocide, slavery, infanticide and familial cannibalism!!1!)
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS Humans can tell right from wrong without the need of a barbaric, Bronze Age religious text to distinguish for them moral behavior from immoral behavior. Humanity was perfectly able to do that before the Bible was ever written. Before any religious text was ever written, for that matter.
And what "reasoned thought" are you referring to? I still doubt that you are capable of such a thing as reasoned thought (that was an attack on YOUR character).
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious The reasoned thought you just appealed to, the idea that humans can tell right from wrong innately. But you can't account for that. Where did it come from?
And I'm not contesting that people weren't able to be moral before the Bible was written, I'm saying that the God of the Bible is the objective moral standard. You can moralize and you don't even believe in God.
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS The God of the Bible is an absolute moral standard but he advocates immoral behavior? Keep in mind that Yahweh condoned all of the immoral acts that I previously listed. Therefore he cannot be an absolute moral standard because he is not absolutely moral.
And actually, I am Deist, so I do believe in God. But once again, God did not come down from Heaven and give us a moral code. Morality is merely instinctual. Even lesser apes can distinguish good behavior from bad behavior.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious I thought I already answered your post, but I guess not, anyways...
What moral standard do you use to condemn the acts of the Biblical God? Why are the acts evil?
Also, I'm curious as to why you're a Deist. I agree morality is innate, however, I want to know where it comes from.
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS The fact the the Bible advocates acts of rape, slavery, murder, genocide, infanticide, and familial cannibalism disqualifies it as an absolute moral standards. In no context whatsoever are any of those acts ever permissable or justifiable; they will always be immoral. And because the Bible advocates these immoral acts, it is not an absolute moral standard. Every religious text is this way because they are written by man, not God. Because all religious texts have this flaw, I am a Deist
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious You're looking at the picture in only black and white, so you're missing all the underlying details. If you think that a perfectly moral God is defined as some prancing mythological fairy that doesn't condemn anyone, then that is a god that I don't consider worthy of worship.
No, the Bible doesn't advocate immoral acts, read the Gospels.
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS Read the entire Old Testament, the Bible most certainly does advocate moral acts. And your argument is contradictory. You've claimed previously that the God of the Bible is the absolutely moral guide, therefore the God of the Bible must be absolutely moral, but he advocates immoral behavior so he can't be and absolute moral guide. And your description of my belief in God as a "prancing mythological fairy" is a gross oversimplification.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious You keep claiming that His behavior is immoral but you have yet to say WHY.
And although what I said might have been offensive, if you think that God doesn't punish people for being wicked than He is not a just God.
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS In no context are ANY of those things ever moral. I don't need to explain why rape, slavery, genocide, infanticide, and familial cannibalism are immoral. What did the first born children of Egypt do that the deserved to die? Nothing, they were killed because of Pharaoh's sin. How about the people of Jericho? God ordered the Jews to kill all of them, including the youngest children. He also allowed them rape capture Canannite women. A benevolent God would never allow such things.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@M3PanoS and furthermore, I never once claimed that God punishing the wicked was immoral. I claimed that rape, slavery, murder, genocide, infanticide, and familial cannibalism are immoral. Many of the recipients of these acts in the Bible were not wicked. They merely stood in the way of the Hebrews in their conquest of Cana or they believed in a different God. The Bible was retroactively written with the intent of claiming it as "God's Word" in order to justify these reprehensible actions.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious You can't just keep throwing out these accusations without first trying to understand the reasoning. The fact that you do so reflects immensely more on your pretenses to quickly dismiss the Bible, rather than on the supposedly 'evil' God of the Bible.
If you really want to start learning about the OT, and not just caricaturing it, here's a good video to start with: watch?v=fYEVMWCDuIg&feature=feedu
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS My accusations are right on the money. How can you reason those things? Explain to me how acts such as rape, murder, slavery, infanticide, genocide, and familial cannibalism are EVER permissable? Why did God punish all the first borns of Egypt for Pharaoh's sins? Why did he order the wholesale slaughter of all the Canaanites when they had done absolutely nothing accept for settling in the land that the Hebrew's wanted? Answer those questions.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious Wow, I give you a source, and you disregard it only so you can throw the same accusations in my face. Yes, I know these acts need answers, but YOU don't want the answers. You want the quick, easy answers that allow you to say God is evil in your head. You're NOT going to get those quick, easy answers, so you say there are none.
If that's how you want to be, I can't help you, sorry.
M3PanoS 6 months ago
@M3PanoS Thats not what I said at all. I asked you to answer my questions. Which you haven't done. And I'm a small bit of the way done with that video actually and Guthrie has yet to provide a sensible answer.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago
@M3PanoS and I don't say God is evil. I say that the God of the Bible, Yahweh, isn't really God. Yahweh isn't real. Is there a God, possibly, but I don't believe that its Yahweh.
TheManMostMysterious 6 months ago