Oliver Stone upon accepting his Oscar for Platoon,
"If the people of the US ever allow another Vietnam, then all those men and women would have died for nothing for nothing would have been learned from the war."
Iraq/Afghanistan started on a false flag , the Patriots that died in Vietnam have now died for nothing. Gov. is the terrorist not the box cutter equipped camel jockeys.
And they don't give a rats butt if it is a tyrannical government that makes that possible. We had no problem with the Taliban until they refused to protect it so we backed the Northern Alliance of Ruthless Drug Lords instead.
We should be a republic not a democracy. We have to remove big money from the election process so our representatives will represent the people who voted them into office instead of the corporations that paid to get them elected.
I'd like to add on to that by saying the People have rights, the government has privileges. Our government is supposed ensure that the people's rights are not neglected. That when dreadfully wrong during the course of our existence as a country.
I think I answered that question. Take big money out of the equation and elected official will only have to answer to their constituents and not their corporate and special interest masters.
Fat chance of that happening in a lot of places. You take big money out and they are just going to steal taxpayers money...... even more. When do our higher ups really get talked too by constituents ? I mean could you walk up to Obama now and ask him about what he's doing ? Probably not, they are like celebrities these days. The power comes from the people, not for them anymore.
And yet as children and up to adulthood we are taught that America is a democracy,that we have a "democratic political system"....it's a lie.,Conditioned into us.I don't recall ANY of my teachers telling us that the US is a republic.
The Afghan situation simply can't be looked at in isolation. The Afghan conservatives are aligned with the Pakistani conservatives and, together, they are winning the military war against the progressives. I think the progressives should simply ensure that they secure the nuclear facilities, allow the conservatives to run large territories, begin constructing secured progressive enclaves where development and education can occur, then wait and watch as their numbers grow as people seek freedom.
Poppy production in Afghanistan has been going down until the US occupation. Growing poppy was banned by the Taliban around 2000.
"The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement's ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world's largest crop in less than a year, officials said today. "
well the afghans can join the club, because we dont have jobs here in the states and they lie to us constantly. i'm pretty sure that the many billions we are spending in afghanistan could be better spent on things like healthcare for americans, food and shelter for all the homeless here at home, fixing our crumbling infrastructure.....hell damn near anything would be better than throwing money into this money pit.
I hear ya callieland,but I'm American,and I found out about it. I guess just because I WANTED to be informed...no sheep at my house. The US is the biggest arms and drug dealer in the world. Shoot,even the show '60 Minutes' did a segment on it.(and 60 Minutes is about as mainstream media as it gets!Well,they're US media anyway)
You know the British have a thing for selling weapons to strange regimes aswell. If you go to google video and type in "flying the flag arming the world" There is a documentary on it. Margret Thatchers son Mark made a pretty (illegal) penny off the deals in the 80's when they were flooding the middle east with weapons.
Hmm, interesting they didn't mention Afghan disgust with the massive corruption in their government.--that's one of the main reasons U.S. funded development isn't happening and the Afghan people know it. In fact they really didn't mention the Afghan government at all. Otherwise quite a good piece.
What you say rings true but is only half the story. The US has tried to buy support for its actions, therefore encouraging both divisivness and corruption. It is also pretty clear that the (cost plus) contracts awarded also encourage corruption among the contractors; this is well documented in Iraq, the Halliburton scandals are but one small part of this disease. This always happens in war, part of the reason for the I-M complex' unerring support and push for wars.
Very good segment, TRNN. Good lighting, sound, editing and excellent content. Keep up the great work and thank you for honest, informative reporting. Kudos to CSN, too, as always.
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How are you going to develop anything if you don't have security? You never get anything out of a conversation where two people agree and contrive a interview to push their agenda.
How can you have security when heavy-handed military action turns people away from you and provides no improvment for their lives? In the chicken and egg conundrum you have simply chosen omelettes.
Heavy-handed military action as you call them worked in Iraq once the objective of security was established. First you gain control (Heavy-handed military action)then you establish security and then you develop. You start developing now you will have another 2003 Iraq situation where you build it and they destroy it. You do understand that security does improve ones life right?
From your somewhat parochial assertion, I assume that you would be willing to have some foreign entity, perhaps the UN accompanied by mercenaries, come and bomb the hell out of your neighbourhood, kill close friends/family, take control of your national resources, install a puppet regime, set up death squads to eliminate political opposition, devastate infrastructure and services, build a huge 'embassy' (aka administration HQ), live without fresh water or electricity, and you would be grateful?
Ah the classic soap box rant reply. Effectual navigating from the point and reality while spouting ignorant propaganda at the same time.
The US was attacked by individuals protected by the Afghan Taliban. We had the right and ability to level the whole country. It is out of the goodness of our hearts that we are investing anything in this god forsaken country of illiterate fascist.
Had Afghans the courage to fight radicals in there midst we would not be their.
Courage? Think, read and study before you talk, I have to say you have no understanding or knowledge of what has been going on there the last 30 years. 1. Osama was associated with the CIA 2. Proof of who actually did 911 3. Afghanistan was modern until 1979, Soviets invaded Afghans defended. 4. Civil war after Soviets lost, this is where the Afghans divided, North vs. South. Continued:
North vs. South, North being supplied by Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan the South being supplied by Pakistan and the U.S. Then when 911 happened, the U.S. flip flopped and supported the North and left the South. There is more to this, but this is to give you a summary. Another thing, Afghans have more then enough courage, There are 36 countries fighting maybe 5% of the Afghans, and losing. It would be a different story if it was 95% of the Afghans fighting the 36 countries.
blackxavior, the same reason my comment below has been marked negative. People are full of shit now a days. They come, they see, and they mark the comment negative if it is not according to their own shitty ignorance for life.
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RealNews is full of BS.
In all the world of more than 6 billion, you are only able to find an Indian analyst (given that Indians already are 100% inline with American BS policy about Iraq and Afghanistan and given that India has opened multiple terrorist camps in Afghanistan under American umbrella).
It is like hounds inviting wolves to talk on the poor situation of zebras in the jungle.
Furthermore, who the heck says the majority of Afghans like American presence in Afghanistan?
Nice report, cleared up a few things for me, good jog real news.
krum369 2 years ago
The original meaning for the term "WAR" is: I want more cows.
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
Get the US out of Afghanistan and Iraq. This is imperialism at its worst.
bbburton 2 years ago 7
Oliver Stone upon accepting his Oscar for Platoon,
"If the people of the US ever allow another Vietnam, then all those men and women would have died for nothing for nothing would have been learned from the war."
Iraq/Afghanistan started on a false flag , the Patriots that died in Vietnam have now died for nothing. Gov. is the terrorist not the box cutter equipped camel jockeys.
boots920 2 years ago 4
As long as the UK, Canada, and US want the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline the war will continue...
Argonaut1337 2 years ago 11
finally a non-spam comment. agreed
poop121 2 years ago
And they don't give a rats butt if it is a tyrannical government that makes that possible. We had no problem with the Taliban until they refused to protect it so we backed the Northern Alliance of Ruthless Drug Lords instead.
PASMdude 2 years ago
question: what will it take for democracy to come to the US?
mikezephyr 2 years ago 2
We should be a republic not a democracy. We have to remove big money from the election process so our representatives will represent the people who voted them into office instead of the corporations that paid to get them elected.
PASMdude 2 years ago 3
we are a republic. we elect people to represent us (though they dont do it very well) thats what a republic is.
ruderevival 2 years ago 3
I'd like to add on to that by saying the People have rights, the government has privileges. Our government is supposed ensure that the people's rights are not neglected. That when dreadfully wrong during the course of our existence as a country.
jmartecep 2 years ago
yeah i definitely agree.
ruderevival 2 years ago
then what will it take for a republic to come to the usa? new good boys in office?
having more elections to vote in more shepherds to misrepresent the people?
as the old saying goes, 'if voting every changed a thing, it'd be made illegal'.
mikezephyr 2 years ago 2
I think I answered that question. Take big money out of the equation and elected official will only have to answer to their constituents and not their corporate and special interest masters.
PASMdude 2 years ago 2
yeah, lobbying really shouldn't be allowed. but that would probably be taking away rights in some way or another.
ruderevival 2 years ago 2
I believe the courts have dealt with that issue and decided limiting money from lobbyist violated their first amendment rights.
PASMdude 2 years ago
yeah, thought so...
ruderevival 2 years ago
Fat chance of that happening in a lot of places. You take big money out and they are just going to steal taxpayers money...... even more. When do our higher ups really get talked too by constituents ? I mean could you walk up to Obama now and ask him about what he's doing ? Probably not, they are like celebrities these days. The power comes from the people, not for them anymore.
trollfinger 2 years ago
Look at what ruderevial's message.
jmartecep 2 years ago
question:Did the Founding Fathers set up the US to be a democracy?(For mikezephry)
FREEW0RLD2012 2 years ago
quite clearly no.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
And yet as children and up to adulthood we are taught that America is a democracy,that we have a "democratic political system"....it's a lie.,Conditioned into us.I don't recall ANY of my teachers telling us that the US is a republic.
FREEW0RLD2012 2 years ago
i'd say nearly half a century of cold war propaganda is to blame for that.
because if the fascists were defeated and now the soviet union was the evil empire, the usa cannot ever be imperial or non-democratic.
ironically, a simple reflection on history reveals just how really truthful that is.
mikezephyr 2 years ago
The Afghan situation simply can't be looked at in isolation. The Afghan conservatives are aligned with the Pakistani conservatives and, together, they are winning the military war against the progressives. I think the progressives should simply ensure that they secure the nuclear facilities, allow the conservatives to run large territories, begin constructing secured progressive enclaves where development and education can occur, then wait and watch as their numbers grow as people seek freedom.
1140Cecile 2 years ago
Afghanistan = No 1 heroine producer !!
Good job america, now thats freedom and liberity,
whoohaa !!
colmmernagh 2 years ago
It was No. 1 before we got there brainiac.
blackxavior 2 years ago
Poppy production in Afghanistan has been going down until the US occupation. Growing poppy was banned by the Taliban around 2000.
"The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement's ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world's largest crop in less than a year, officials said today. "
Look it up.
VexRiot 2 years ago
well the afghans can join the club, because we dont have jobs here in the states and they lie to us constantly. i'm pretty sure that the many billions we are spending in afghanistan could be better spent on things like healthcare for americans, food and shelter for all the homeless here at home, fixing our crumbling infrastructure.....hell damn near anything would be better than throwing money into this money pit.
callieland 2 years ago
Oh,Afganistan is no money pit. The US is making huge bank off the poppy crops.
FREEW0RLD2012 2 years ago 2
agreed...but its money the american public will never be made aware of. it will be siphoned off to fund black projects or more military adventurism.
callieland 2 years ago 2
I hear ya callieland,but I'm American,and I found out about it. I guess just because I WANTED to be informed...no sheep at my house. The US is the biggest arms and drug dealer in the world. Shoot,even the show '60 Minutes' did a segment on it.(and 60 Minutes is about as mainstream media as it gets!Well,they're US media anyway)
FREEW0RLD2012 2 years ago
yeah the cia is paying local warlords to maintain 1500 man armies to protect those fields lest the taliban burn them.
callieland 2 years ago
You know the British have a thing for selling weapons to strange regimes aswell. If you go to google video and type in "flying the flag arming the world" There is a documentary on it. Margret Thatchers son Mark made a pretty (illegal) penny off the deals in the 80's when they were flooding the middle east with weapons.
trollfinger 2 years ago
Hmm, interesting they didn't mention Afghan disgust with the massive corruption in their government.--that's one of the main reasons U.S. funded development isn't happening and the Afghan people know it. In fact they really didn't mention the Afghan government at all. Otherwise quite a good piece.
pridday88 2 years ago 2
What you say rings true but is only half the story. The US has tried to buy support for its actions, therefore encouraging both divisivness and corruption. It is also pretty clear that the (cost plus) contracts awarded also encourage corruption among the contractors; this is well documented in Iraq, the Halliburton scandals are but one small part of this disease. This always happens in war, part of the reason for the I-M complex' unerring support and push for wars.
flyhead2 2 years ago
good and balasnced.
ack44 2 years ago
Very good segment, TRNN. Good lighting, sound, editing and excellent content. Keep up the great work and thank you for honest, informative reporting. Kudos to CSN, too, as always.
Aiden057 2 years ago
Very good interview.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago 3
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How are you going to develop anything if you don't have security? You never get anything out of a conversation where two people agree and contrive a interview to push their agenda.
blackxavior 2 years ago
nicely said! man i use to watch real news when it now came out, but now its just silly ....
trinikid2k2 2 years ago
How can you have security when heavy-handed military action turns people away from you and provides no improvment for their lives? In the chicken and egg conundrum you have simply chosen omelettes.
flyhead2 2 years ago 6
Heavy-handed military action as you call them worked in Iraq once the objective of security was established. First you gain control (Heavy-handed military action)then you establish security and then you develop. You start developing now you will have another 2003 Iraq situation where you build it and they destroy it. You do understand that security does improve ones life right?
blackxavior 2 years ago
From your somewhat parochial assertion, I assume that you would be willing to have some foreign entity, perhaps the UN accompanied by mercenaries, come and bomb the hell out of your neighbourhood, kill close friends/family, take control of your national resources, install a puppet regime, set up death squads to eliminate political opposition, devastate infrastructure and services, build a huge 'embassy' (aka administration HQ), live without fresh water or electricity, and you would be grateful?
flyhead2 2 years ago 3
Ah the classic soap box rant reply. Effectual navigating from the point and reality while spouting ignorant propaganda at the same time.
The US was attacked by individuals protected by the Afghan Taliban. We had the right and ability to level the whole country. It is out of the goodness of our hearts that we are investing anything in this god forsaken country of illiterate fascist.
Had Afghans the courage to fight radicals in there midst we would not be their.
blackxavior 2 years ago
Courage? Think, read and study before you talk, I have to say you have no understanding or knowledge of what has been going on there the last 30 years. 1. Osama was associated with the CIA 2. Proof of who actually did 911 3. Afghanistan was modern until 1979, Soviets invaded Afghans defended. 4. Civil war after Soviets lost, this is where the Afghans divided, North vs. South. Continued:
AfghanStrong 2 years ago
North vs. South, North being supplied by Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan the South being supplied by Pakistan and the U.S. Then when 911 happened, the U.S. flip flopped and supported the North and left the South. There is more to this, but this is to give you a summary. Another thing, Afghans have more then enough courage, There are 36 countries fighting maybe 5% of the Afghans, and losing. It would be a different story if it was 95% of the Afghans fighting the 36 countries.
AfghanStrong 2 years ago
blackxavior, the same reason my comment below has been marked negative. People are full of shit now a days. They come, they see, and they mark the comment negative if it is not according to their own shitty ignorance for life.
AntiHypocrisy 2 years ago 2
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RealNews is full of BS.
In all the world of more than 6 billion, you are only able to find an Indian analyst (given that Indians already are 100% inline with American BS policy about Iraq and Afghanistan and given that India has opened multiple terrorist camps in Afghanistan under American umbrella).
It is like hounds inviting wolves to talk on the poor situation of zebras in the jungle.
Furthermore, who the heck says the majority of Afghans like American presence in Afghanistan?
AntiHypocrisy 2 years ago
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What did the comment removed by the author (realnews) say??
CENSORSHIP by the make believe alternative media!
Put the comment back so we can read it you Joseph Goebbels wannabe!
flatpick4eadg 2 years ago
That would be the author of the comment, not the author of the video.
The Real News doesn't filter comments on their videos.
VelhoMc 2 years ago 3
Sad that we haven't been getting real news from the mainstream media.
Thanks for doing such a great job!
sharonafox1 2 years ago 7
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ITwarriorTI 2 years ago
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FIRST!
papalosopher 2 years ago