Put it in perspective, everyone knows how good Goldikova's been throughout her career. Canford Cliffs, I felt anyway, breezed right on by Goldikova in this race with what looked a good bit still in hand, and Frankel left Canford Cliffs absolutely for dead in the blink of an eye at Goodwood just a little over a month after he'd won this race. Speaks to how good Frankel really is, IMO.
no turf milers in america anywhere in goldikova's league? u better check ur stats. a horse anmed jeranimo just went 1:32 and change at santa anita and is headed to breeders cup.
@fequare Now as much as I don't like to agree with someone who posts on every single video like GBeret does, that's just not going to be enough. That was far and away his best race of his life, and that California turf allows Claiming horses to regularly go sub 1:34. Goldikova just went 1:18 for 1400m on comparable ground. And considering they were sub 11 seconds in the final furlong, I'm thinking they weren't going to drop anchor with a 14 and 3/5 to make it close. Jeranimo is good, not amazing
canford was a great horse dont take his sussex run into account it was a 2f sprint hannon and hughes made a big mistake thinkin canford was a faster horse than frankel he shud of had a pacemaker setting a fast pace which suits canford and he can quicken off that, canford NEEDS a fast pace he is useless without it. But dont slag him off he was fantastic end of story. he had an amazin sustained acceleration.
@GBeret83 CC would beat Goldi on o straight track but not on a turning track in the USA, Goldis short stride is made for the tight bends and she will win her 4th BC mile if she runs
@john131349, With Canford Cliffs retired, and Frankel an absentee landlord for the Breeders Cup, I have no doubt now that Goldikova's likely to win her fourth Breeders Cup Mile. There's no turf milers in America that's anywhere near her league.
And cape blanco wins two easy races in usa with gio ponti hanging back and letting him. What a joke and where can cape scrounge another win. Probably the Cox Plate in Aussie
And cape blanco wins two easy races in usa with gio ponti hanging back and letting him. What a joke and where can cape scrounge another win. Probably the Cox Plate in Aussie
Workforce?????? Workforce is a cunt of a horse, an absolute CUNT! Cape Blanco beat him fair and square when he had room to run TWICE, oh finally Cape Blanco starts running again and goes to USA and wins the Man O War stakes and the Million! What a donkey he must be! Canford Cliffs would beat Goldikova every time, he wouldn't stand a chance against Frankel. Strong Suit could be as good as CC, he needed an operation and since he had it he's won both his races easily.
@john131349 Workforce is a supurb horse. Had he not veered left and run straight he would of defeated Nathaniel in the KG. And i agree with you about Rewilding defeating both Workforce and Nathaniel had he not fallen he was just starting his awesome finishing run would of won comfortably. RIP Rewilding.
@john131349 Workforces pacemaker did a better job than JanVermeer did in the POW. And it looked like a planned move for Workforce to take the lead 4f out and try and catch a break and outstay SYT all the way to the line. In reality that was the only way Workforce would of won because had the jockey waited and it came down to a sprint the margin of victory would of been bigger.
Canford Cliffs Coolmore conections took the decision to retire the colt early. Truth be told, they knew that Frankel would pummel him again in the QEII at Ascot. Canford Cliffs was a great Miler. Frankel is an exceptional miler - that's the difference.
@thepoacher2010 CC did run his race, thats the best he could do, the injury never showed up until a few days later, did anyone see CC limping around lame in the unsaddling enclosure at goodwood? i'm sure the channel 4 cameras would have picked it up, Richard Hannon Snr should learn to lose with good grace, if Frankel had lost Sir Henry would have congratulated CCs connections and wished them well
@john131349 I remember you stating Workforce would clean up the mid summer g1s and destroy SYT in the Eclipse. Are you going to be a man or are you not wanting to own up my man?
@SoulSurvivor79 the eclipse was run to suit SYT, workforces pacemaker never did his job and he was left in front too early, he still went down by less than a length and SYTs connections changed their mind about going for the king george, over 10 furlongs SYT is the better horse but over 12 workforce will beat him, by the way workforce doesnt like ascot hes been beaten there twice but you dont hear Sir Micheal making up phantom injuries
i suppose now CC has been retired, his deluded supporters can make all sorts of extravagent claims about how he was going to do this and that to frankel in the QEII.
its a good job we still have brilliant horses like frankel who actually do their talking on the race course who are trained by brilliant men like cecil who let allow their horses to do their talking on the racecourse.
CC tried his best to beat frankel but unfortuately for him iit was men against boys stuff
yes and i held my hands up about my view that CC would not get a mile. yes CC has proved to be an exceptional horse but frankel is a cut above him as he proved in emphatic style at goodwood. hiding behind the excuses of "he was injured" and "he wasnt right" are clutching at straws, being disrespectful to the brilliance of frankel and totally deluding yourself that CC is in frankels class.
keep living in cloud cuckoo land fool and the rest of us will live in the real world
@azertyuiop32@thepoacher2010 i have to say i called it completely wrong big time. he has proved that a) he does stay a mile and b) he is a very classy horse. i hold my hands up and am wiping the egg off my face as i speak
@thepoacher2010 Sorry to hear about Canford Cliffs being retired due to injury Poacher. I know he was your favorite racehorse in training. He was a supurb miler and deserved another crack at Frankel at ascot. Atleast you filled your boots while he was racing.
@SoulSurvivor79 the sorry part about it was i no he would have beaten frankel at ascot,yes it is a shame but that proved my point all along canford cliffs didnt run his race at goodwood,nevermind i no in my heart that come the qe2 canford cliffs would have one,....all the best to frankel and all the team you now have one less thorn in youre backside to worry about canford cliffs gone but not forgotten the poacher over and out.........
@thepoacher2010 hang on you told everyone that CC would win the sussex stakes, you knew that Hughsie would sit with his "high cruising speed" and pick off the weakening Frankel in the last furlong, Richard said "he was a beast and no horse could get him off the bridle" and after all Frankel was over rated he had only beaten 3 year olds and his guineas win was a fluke, well you were wrong on all counts but not man enough to admit it
The result is obvious. Frankel wins! 2 possibilities but the same outcome:
1) Frankel leads, burns them all off 2 out and leaves them for dead, Canford beats Goldikova again.
2) Frankel sits behind Goldikova, Canford behind Frankel. Goldikova goes for home 2 out, Frankel laughs and flies past, Canford tries to go with him but no chance..passes Goldikova last 50 yards.
Just imagine those, 1 of them is how it would be. Frankel CANNOT be beaten over a mile, I think even 10 furlongs. FREAK!
Cape Blanco is being messed about, running like shit because he doesn't even know what distance to run anymore. Goldikova wouldn't have won even 5 group 1s if the division wasn't so shit the times she was running in these poor Group 1 races where no Group 1 horses even turn up because there weren't any. Decent horses won't travel to France for their peanut prize money when there are better races to run in at other times so that's why she wins those races. She has not won 14 true Group 1s!
Richard Hughes said himself after "if Canford Cliffs was at 110% he would still never have caught Frankel" so all of you trying to make excuses, or doing crazy made up math to make them level pegging are doing it in vain. The jockey knows best.
@WazaUk Richard was being very gracious in defeat. It would have appeared churlish of him to come out, with all the buzz around Frankel to make excuses. Look, it was a terrific win by Frankel, but he had it all his own way here. He had an easy time of it, running the first 5f in a dawdling 61 seconds. When his jockey said go at the 2f, Canford Cliffs began to drift to the grandstand, loosing at least 2 lens. Their weights will be closer at Ascot, and the track will suit CC better.
@SvendBosanvovski Yes and the result will be the same. Canford in order to win has to keep close behind the leading horse for a last second win. In order for Canford to just stay CLOSE to Frankel he had to sprint. Thats why when Hughes asked him he got nothing. If the weights were reversed Frankel would still annihilate CC.
@WazaUk Well, I don't know about your concluding remark, but I see your argument regarding tactics. Frankel does appear to be very adaptable with great tactical speed. The Sussex is just a tantiliser. If we have the other three great milers in the QEII it could be a race for the ages. Whatever win it can claim to be the best miler in the World. Shame he wont meet So You Think in the Juddemonte International.
I wouldn't give up on Canford Cliffs just yet. Frankel ran a slower time that he did last year, and the history of the Sussex Stakes indicates a high proponderance of 3yos winners. That 8lb pull in the weights makes an enormous difference when the older horse is asked to carry 9.7. And you can see it here, where Cranford Cliffs, anchored, before drifting out under pressure. He appears to have lost about 2 lens. Add the 3 lens for the 8lb pull in the weights, and they line up together.
@SvendBosanvovski Nonsense ! It wouldn't have mattered had they met at levels, Frankel would still have won... easily. People tend to forget that the weight for age allowance is there for a reason. It is to allow the immature horse a chance of competing with his/her elders on an even footing. Richard Hughes admitted after yesterday's race that even if CC had been 110% he still wouldn't have been able to beat Frankel. I've seen all the great milers since The Brigadier, and Frankel is his equal.
@ThefightingCelt No, I am not ready to give it up yet, mate. If they had met at level weights the margin would have been closer about 2lens (allowing 3lb per length), but it is apparent that Canford Cliff was uncomfortable with Goodwood. Look how he tore away from Rio Del Plata in the Queen Anne. In the Sussex, that horse almost caught him at the 2f when he began to stargaze and drift to the grandstand fence. I will reserve my judgment until after the QEII.
@Brainyy297 I copped a bit of that after Rewilding beat So You Think. The early buzz was that SYT couldn't possibly beat Workforce, the horse that beat Rewilding by many length last year. They were wrong. Let me say this: Frankel is a very good three year old, but his reputation is puffed to fill a promotional need. He is not the best sprinter on the planet, untested beyond a mile, scrambled home in the St James Palace, never ran exceptional time, and beat CC when that horse was on holidays.
@blogsbollocks Yes, that's true, Blogs, or should I call you Mr Bollocks. I don't want to appear to unduly criticise Frankel. He's an exciting and gutsy horse. But all this hype will loose people money if they get too carried away with it.
@SvendBosanvovski Canford Cliifs won the Sussex Stakes last year when defeating Rip Van Winkle. He had liitle problem handling the course or the opposition on that occasion. The fact is that Frankel's outrageous galloping style took all the sting out of Canford Cliff's finishing kick, and when Tom Queally eventually asked his horse to go, the response was intantaneous. Frankel, I repeat, is different class from the rest... including Canford Cliffs. They will meet again at Ascot in the QEII.
@ThefightingCelt Yes, you may prove to be right. Only time will tell. Frankel ran the last furlong about .6 secs faster than CC did last year. They appear to have gone slower early this year with a terrific sprint home. I go by the trainers view that the horse doesnlt appear to like going downhill, the weight and pressure may have brought that out. Let see what happen in the second installment. It makes for very exciting racing.
the poacher is in hiding ! lol Canford was blown to smithereens by Frankel - as I said he would. Frankel is in a different league to the Hannon colt - fact !
Frankel will annihilate Canford, if Tom Queally goes about his work and holds Frankel up to two furlongs out his turn of foot will leave brilliant Canford in his wake! Frankel is improving all the time, this years 3yr olds are superior to last years! Nathaniel stepped up this year and showed that!
@lm035 Your getting mixed up. Nathaniel only won because rewilding broke down St nicolas abbey has always been overhyped and workforce is a joke. This years 3 year olds may be a good bunch but come Wednesday Canford Cliffs will show you who is the best around. Even after he beats Frankle people will still doubt him. If Frankle wins ill be the first to congratulate him and pronounce him the best no probs. Only thing is that wont happen because will be beaten
@delamitri78 Supplemented for 75k,2nd to Frankle and Irish Group1 winner!!I backed Nathaniel at 7s,Rewilding was never getting there the bird had already flown,he wasnt passing St Nic just before he broke down. :)
@delamitri78 Look mate, consistently Canford has won races by a neck, 3/4 length, 1 length etc... he was beaten already as a 3 year old! Frankel is a machine, watch Queally at work this wednesday he wont put a foot wrong! Richard Hughes already making excuses that Canford doesn't like the downhill parts of Goodwood! Regarding Nathaniel he deserved his win, beat Workforce and St. Nicholas Abbey two great horses! Doubt Rewilding would have won! Best to luck to both horses weds, Frankel is too fast
@lm035 At the end of the day where all intitled to our opinions. The time for talking is over. Lets just sit back and hopefully get a great race and may the best horse win
@lm035 Fair play to Frankel. No excuses. The best horse won. Have to admit im a little dissapointed. I thought Canford Cliffs would have put up a better fight. Canford had 8 lbs more to carry today but even if frankle had the higher weight he would have won that race today.
@delamitri78 Yeah I thought even with top weight he would have kept it close! He beat Goldikova in good fashion, Hannon said he wasn't happy with the course and that he would give it another go!
@lm035 Well after watching todays race im not so sure about Canford Cliffs beating Frankle. Even on a different track of level weights id now be doutful such was the apparent ease at which Frankle seemed to win today. Did'nt think id be saying this but i am an honest person and im not going to fool myself. I gamble to win so if they race again ill have to back frankle . Sad but true
@delamitri78 Yeah it was almost too easy, Canford Cliffs racing in Ireland early September think he may bounce back! Straight forecast next time they meet Frankel 1, CC 2! You'll get good value!
I think Canford will win, but if Frankel can beat him, he will deserve to be called one of the best ever. This is the ultimate test for Frankel, just another scalp for Canford.
lol. Sorry i must have got the days mixed up. So much good racing coming up im a bit confused. But im not trying to put Frankle down or anything i just KNOW that Canford Cliffs will win this race. Like you im glad he does'nt get the respect he deserves as it gives me the benifit of great odds. 11/8 you say. Thas unreal. Ill have a nice slice of that :)
wednesday they run,not saturday.i think its christmas come early with the 11/8 being offered by corals for canford cliffs.frankel is a good horse but cmon were talking canford cliffs here.people are getting carried away with the stigma attached to frankel and thankfully thats good news for us canford fans
Rates me arse. Who says they know what there talking about. You'll see on Saturday who is the best. Canford Cliffs will win end of story. Frankle is a good horse but not that good. He never beat anything as good as Goldikova. CC to win
have to hold my hands up regarding canford cliffs. i thought he was another hyped up horse from the hannon yard but since they have realised how the horse needs to be ridden, he has improved and gone from strength to strength.
his latest defeat of a top class horse and a living legend advertises this claim. what a race it will be between him and frankel.
well i was one of those doubters but you cant ask for anymore than to be proved wrong with a brilliant performance like the one CC put in at royal ascot. i believe he will beat frankel if they meet in the sussex. CC has beaten better horses than frankel and that gives him the edge IMO
CC may have to concede weight but IMO frankel had a very hard race at ascot. i dont tihnk it was queallys finest hour in the saddle. he chased a very fast pace and then kicked for home way too early. IMO the horse was all out at the end up to hold off his rivals. on the flip side CC's royal ascot win was far more straightforward and less taxing on him physically.
@azertyuiop32 Your statement is factually inaccurate and is completely SUBjective.
Canford Cliffs has NEVER beaten ANY horse rated 130, NOR won ANY race CONCEDING 8lbs.
CC MAY win: I'd be staggered &, frankly, wld look to lightning, Jockey error or horse health before suggesting it was because CC is better, BECAUSE HE QUITE SIMPLY IS NOT! Canford Cliffs was rated 122 at St James 2010. Frankel's rated 130 @ SAME period in respective careers. CC's 127 @4yrs. Frankel's ALREADY 130 @ 3yrs!
well you were absolutely spot on. frankel destroyed CC and no amount of excuses form hannon and hughes can mask the fact the best horse by some distance won today.
i was critical of queall at ascot but he kept things simple and straightforward today and whilst im still not his biggetst fan he deserves credit for the part he played.
what a horse frankel is. he is a beast of an animal.
Canford cliffs vs Frankel will be a great race I personally think Frankel will win but it could go either way depending on how they are ridden. Will definitely be one of the highlights of the racing calendar cant wait!!
yeah canford will definitely beat frankel,,, Frankel, s run was poor.... he was stopin at the end,,, if he does the same against canford he ll definitely get beat.....
canford is the best.... we,ve not seen the best of canford yet,, i am really proud to be working at the yard where the great horse canford cliffs is......
LOL! No, F is the best, that's all but a race is a race and you can't never tell! And the (most) ultimate race would be a F vs CC vs Goldi! He hasn't yet really proved he's better than Goldi.
@alvashank ANer CF time slower thangolden jub as r charlton said if brofthers been in diff races diff results cityscape gp2 winner beaten 2 l says it all , now trainer of cf want 1 m 2 mmm
How the fuck did Canford touch 6/1 in running & Cityscape touch evens..Insane in running punters...Wish Goldi had won but beaten by the better horse hands down..
Canford Cliffs is the best miler around... No matter what horse you put in front of him he'll stock them and beat them with his incredible turn of foot ... bring on Frankel and Goldi Pt.2...
I would think that Roger Charlton would have to be ecstatic about the race that Cityscape ran for him in the Queen Anne. It wasn't a surprise to anyone that Canford Cliffs and Goldikova turned out being the "big 2" in the race. But many people had Cityscape figured to be finishing behind Cape Blanco, Rio De La Plata, and even Ransom Note. Only beaten 1-3/4 by CC, and 1 length by Goldikova. Should put Cityscape on much more even terms with Dick Turpin now, should they face again? IMO.
I always though CC would just have the edge of Goldi, especially at somewhere like Ascot. I suppose in France or at the BC the story might be different, but in my opinion, when both horses are at their best, I'd give CC the nod to finish in front every time JMO
The bottom line is that Goldikova has just finally run into a horse in Canford Cliffs who's turn of foot is every bit the equivalent of her own, or better. She finally had to race a horse from the Hannon yard that wasn't named Paco Boy or Dick Turpin!!
Répondre à cette vidéo... In fact when I see the video again and again, Goldi stops to insist just before the post and there was just half of a length right there. I don't think Canford got a degree of comfort, he was at his max.
5 straight G1 win's now for Canford Cliffs. No doubt he's among the elite in the world among turf milers. After seeing the outcome of this race, Goldikova's 4th straight B.C. Mile may not come as easily as her first 3 have, IMO. Also have to throw a shout out to Cityscape who himself ran a career best in this race. Beaten only a length by Goldikova, and a 1-3/4 lengths by Canford Cliffs. Fantastic run by Cityscape!!
Put it in perspective, everyone knows how good Goldikova's been throughout her career. Canford Cliffs, I felt anyway, breezed right on by Goldikova in this race with what looked a good bit still in hand, and Frankel left Canford Cliffs absolutely for dead in the blink of an eye at Goodwood just a little over a month after he'd won this race. Speaks to how good Frankel really is, IMO.
GBeret83 3 weeks ago
Goldikova will never make it to the top as Ruffian or Zenyatta plus shes a turf horse.
johnofohu123 4 months ago
no turf milers in america anywhere in goldikova's league? u better check ur stats. a horse anmed jeranimo just went 1:32 and change at santa anita and is headed to breeders cup.
fequare 4 months ago
@fequare Now as much as I don't like to agree with someone who posts on every single video like GBeret does, that's just not going to be enough. That was far and away his best race of his life, and that California turf allows Claiming horses to regularly go sub 1:34. Goldikova just went 1:18 for 1400m on comparable ground. And considering they were sub 11 seconds in the final furlong, I'm thinking they weren't going to drop anchor with a 14 and 3/5 to make it close. Jeranimo is good, not amazing
TRPtacek 3 months ago
canford was a great horse dont take his sussex run into account it was a 2f sprint hannon and hughes made a big mistake thinkin canford was a faster horse than frankel he shud of had a pacemaker setting a fast pace which suits canford and he can quicken off that, canford NEEDS a fast pace he is useless without it. But dont slag him off he was fantastic end of story. he had an amazin sustained acceleration.
TheDarleyarabian 5 months ago
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GBeret83 6 months ago
@GBeret83 CC would beat Goldi on o straight track but not on a turning track in the USA, Goldis short stride is made for the tight bends and she will win her 4th BC mile if she runs
john131349 6 months ago
@john131349, With Canford Cliffs retired, and Frankel an absentee landlord for the Breeders Cup, I have no doubt now that Goldikova's likely to win her fourth Breeders Cup Mile. There's no turf milers in America that's anywhere near her league.
GBeret83 6 months ago
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And cape blanco wins two easy races in usa with gio ponti hanging back and letting him. What a joke and where can cape scrounge another win. Probably the Cox Plate in Aussie
tamaria6564 6 months ago
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And cape blanco wins two easy races in usa with gio ponti hanging back and letting him. What a joke and where can cape scrounge another win. Probably the Cox Plate in Aussie
tamaria6564 6 months ago
I will never forget you! You are the best Canford, it was an honor to know you!
zsozso411 6 months ago
Workforce?????? Workforce is a cunt of a horse, an absolute CUNT! Cape Blanco beat him fair and square when he had room to run TWICE, oh finally Cape Blanco starts running again and goes to USA and wins the Man O War stakes and the Million! What a donkey he must be! Canford Cliffs would beat Goldikova every time, he wouldn't stand a chance against Frankel. Strong Suit could be as good as CC, he needed an operation and since he had it he's won both his races easily.
Aquarius3277 6 months ago
Question: Who,is better? Goldikova or Canford Cliffs? I havent paid attention to Europe in a while, and I had never really heard of CC before this.
TheSlewogold 6 months ago
@john131349 Workforce is a supurb horse. Had he not veered left and run straight he would of defeated Nathaniel in the KG. And i agree with you about Rewilding defeating both Workforce and Nathaniel had he not fallen he was just starting his awesome finishing run would of won comfortably. RIP Rewilding.
SoulSurvivor79 6 months ago
@john131349 Workforces pacemaker did a better job than JanVermeer did in the POW. And it looked like a planned move for Workforce to take the lead 4f out and try and catch a break and outstay SYT all the way to the line. In reality that was the only way Workforce would of won because had the jockey waited and it came down to a sprint the margin of victory would of been bigger.
SoulSurvivor79 6 months ago
Canford Cliffs Coolmore conections took the decision to retire the colt early. Truth be told, they knew that Frankel would pummel him again in the QEII at Ascot. Canford Cliffs was a great Miler. Frankel is an exceptional miler - that's the difference.
ThefightingCelt 6 months ago
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thepoacher2010 6 months ago
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thepoacher2010 6 months ago
@thepoacher2010 CC did run his race, thats the best he could do, the injury never showed up until a few days later, did anyone see CC limping around lame in the unsaddling enclosure at goodwood? i'm sure the channel 4 cameras would have picked it up, Richard Hannon Snr should learn to lose with good grace, if Frankel had lost Sir Henry would have congratulated CCs connections and wished them well
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thepoacher2010 6 months ago
@thepoacher2010 22 minutes ago cant you read now?
john131349 6 months ago
@john131349 I remember you stating Workforce would clean up the mid summer g1s and destroy SYT in the Eclipse. Are you going to be a man or are you not wanting to own up my man?
SoulSurvivor79 6 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 the eclipse was run to suit SYT, workforces pacemaker never did his job and he was left in front too early, he still went down by less than a length and SYTs connections changed their mind about going for the king george, over 10 furlongs SYT is the better horse but over 12 workforce will beat him, by the way workforce doesnt like ascot hes been beaten there twice but you dont hear Sir Micheal making up phantom injuries
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thepoacher2010 6 months ago
i suppose now CC has been retired, his deluded supporters can make all sorts of extravagent claims about how he was going to do this and that to frankel in the QEII.
its a good job we still have brilliant horses like frankel who actually do their talking on the race course who are trained by brilliant men like cecil who let allow their horses to do their talking on the racecourse.
CC tried his best to beat frankel but unfortuately for him iit was men against boys stuff
azertyuiop32 7 months ago
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KarlHolland09 7 months ago
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yes and i held my hands up about my view that CC would not get a mile. yes CC has proved to be an exceptional horse but frankel is a cut above him as he proved in emphatic style at goodwood. hiding behind the excuses of "he was injured" and "he wasnt right" are clutching at straws, being disrespectful to the brilliance of frankel and totally deluding yourself that CC is in frankels class.
keep living in cloud cuckoo land fool and the rest of us will live in the real world
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@azertyuiop32 @thepoacher2010 i have to say i called it completely wrong big time. he has proved that a) he does stay a mile and b) he is a very classy horse. i hold my hands up and am wiping the egg off my face as i speak
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thepoacher2010 6 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Sorry to hear about Canford Cliffs being retired due to injury Poacher. I know he was your favorite racehorse in training. He was a supurb miler and deserved another crack at Frankel at ascot. Atleast you filled your boots while he was racing.
SoulSurvivor79 7 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 the sorry part about it was i no he would have beaten frankel at ascot,yes it is a shame but that proved my point all along canford cliffs didnt run his race at goodwood,nevermind i no in my heart that come the qe2 canford cliffs would have one,....all the best to frankel and all the team you now have one less thorn in youre backside to worry about canford cliffs gone but not forgotten the poacher over and out.........
thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@thepoacher2010 hang on you told everyone that CC would win the sussex stakes, you knew that Hughsie would sit with his "high cruising speed" and pick off the weakening Frankel in the last furlong, Richard said "he was a beast and no horse could get him off the bridle" and after all Frankel was over rated he had only beaten 3 year olds and his guineas win was a fluke, well you were wrong on all counts but not man enough to admit it
john131349 6 months ago
Im heart broken to hear about CC. By far my favorite horse....
bphstanley 7 months ago
There will be no re-match ! Canford Cliffs has been retired to stud.
ThefightingCelt 7 months ago
The result is obvious. Frankel wins! 2 possibilities but the same outcome:
1) Frankel leads, burns them all off 2 out and leaves them for dead, Canford beats Goldikova again.
2) Frankel sits behind Goldikova, Canford behind Frankel. Goldikova goes for home 2 out, Frankel laughs and flies past, Canford tries to go with him but no chance..passes Goldikova last 50 yards.
Just imagine those, 1 of them is how it would be. Frankel CANNOT be beaten over a mile, I think even 10 furlongs. FREAK!
Aquarius3277 7 months ago
For the sake of racing, let's get Goldikova, Canford Cliffs, and Frankel to Ascot.
All with excellent course form, where the winners and losers have no excuses.
Would be fantastic.
forsoup 7 months ago
Cape Blanco is being messed about, running like shit because he doesn't even know what distance to run anymore. Goldikova wouldn't have won even 5 group 1s if the division wasn't so shit the times she was running in these poor Group 1 races where no Group 1 horses even turn up because there weren't any. Decent horses won't travel to France for their peanut prize money when there are better races to run in at other times so that's why she wins those races. She has not won 14 true Group 1s!
Aquarius3277 7 months ago
14th G1 for the wondermare Goldikova, queen of the mile :-D
astrenvi 7 months ago
Richard Hughes said himself after "if Canford Cliffs was at 110% he would still never have caught Frankel" so all of you trying to make excuses, or doing crazy made up math to make them level pegging are doing it in vain. The jockey knows best.
WazaUk 7 months ago
@WazaUk Richard was being very gracious in defeat. It would have appeared churlish of him to come out, with all the buzz around Frankel to make excuses. Look, it was a terrific win by Frankel, but he had it all his own way here. He had an easy time of it, running the first 5f in a dawdling 61 seconds. When his jockey said go at the 2f, Canford Cliffs began to drift to the grandstand, loosing at least 2 lens. Their weights will be closer at Ascot, and the track will suit CC better.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Yes and the result will be the same. Canford in order to win has to keep close behind the leading horse for a last second win. In order for Canford to just stay CLOSE to Frankel he had to sprint. Thats why when Hughes asked him he got nothing. If the weights were reversed Frankel would still annihilate CC.
WazaUk 7 months ago
@WazaUk Well, I don't know about your concluding remark, but I see your argument regarding tactics. Frankel does appear to be very adaptable with great tactical speed. The Sussex is just a tantiliser. If we have the other three great milers in the QEII it could be a race for the ages. Whatever win it can claim to be the best miler in the World. Shame he wont meet So You Think in the Juddemonte International.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
I wouldn't give up on Canford Cliffs just yet. Frankel ran a slower time that he did last year, and the history of the Sussex Stakes indicates a high proponderance of 3yos winners. That 8lb pull in the weights makes an enormous difference when the older horse is asked to carry 9.7. And you can see it here, where Cranford Cliffs, anchored, before drifting out under pressure. He appears to have lost about 2 lens. Add the 3 lens for the 8lb pull in the weights, and they line up together.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Nonsense ! It wouldn't have mattered had they met at levels, Frankel would still have won... easily. People tend to forget that the weight for age allowance is there for a reason. It is to allow the immature horse a chance of competing with his/her elders on an even footing. Richard Hughes admitted after yesterday's race that even if CC had been 110% he still wouldn't have been able to beat Frankel. I've seen all the great milers since The Brigadier, and Frankel is his equal.
ThefightingCelt 7 months ago
@ThefightingCelt No, I am not ready to give it up yet, mate. If they had met at level weights the margin would have been closer about 2lens (allowing 3lb per length), but it is apparent that Canford Cliff was uncomfortable with Goodwood. Look how he tore away from Rio Del Plata in the Queen Anne. In the Sussex, that horse almost caught him at the 2f when he began to stargaze and drift to the grandstand fence. I will reserve my judgment until after the QEII.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Stop starting shit in everyone Frankel related vid lol...
Brainyy297 7 months ago
@Brainyy297 I'm pleased you've been attentive. Thank you.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
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SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
@Brainyy297 I copped a bit of that after Rewilding beat So You Think. The early buzz was that SYT couldn't possibly beat Workforce, the horse that beat Rewilding by many length last year. They were wrong. Let me say this: Frankel is a very good three year old, but his reputation is puffed to fill a promotional need. He is not the best sprinter on the planet, untested beyond a mile, scrambled home in the St James Palace, never ran exceptional time, and beat CC when that horse was on holidays.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski he can only beat whats put in front of him.
blogsbollocks 7 months ago
@blogsbollocks Yes, that's true, Blogs, or should I call you Mr Bollocks. I don't want to appear to unduly criticise Frankel. He's an exciting and gutsy horse. But all this hype will loose people money if they get too carried away with it.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Canford Cliifs won the Sussex Stakes last year when defeating Rip Van Winkle. He had liitle problem handling the course or the opposition on that occasion. The fact is that Frankel's outrageous galloping style took all the sting out of Canford Cliff's finishing kick, and when Tom Queally eventually asked his horse to go, the response was intantaneous. Frankel, I repeat, is different class from the rest... including Canford Cliffs. They will meet again at Ascot in the QEII.
ThefightingCelt 7 months ago
@ThefightingCelt Yes, you may prove to be right. Only time will tell. Frankel ran the last furlong about .6 secs faster than CC did last year. They appear to have gone slower early this year with a terrific sprint home. I go by the trainers view that the horse doesnlt appear to like going downhill, the weight and pressure may have brought that out. Let see what happen in the second installment. It makes for very exciting racing.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
the poacher is in hiding ! lol Canford was blown to smithereens by Frankel - as I said he would. Frankel is in a different league to the Hannon colt - fact !
ThefightingCelt 7 months ago
@ThefightingCelt what a load of bollocks another muppet that has backed an odds on and thinks he it,
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
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MrSmid888 7 months ago
Frankel will annihilate Canford, if Tom Queally goes about his work and holds Frankel up to two furlongs out his turn of foot will leave brilliant Canford in his wake! Frankel is improving all the time, this years 3yr olds are superior to last years! Nathaniel stepped up this year and showed that!
lm035 7 months ago
@lm035 frankel is doing the running as there is no pace in the race.
thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@lm035 Your getting mixed up. Nathaniel only won because rewilding broke down St nicolas abbey has always been overhyped and workforce is a joke. This years 3 year olds may be a good bunch but come Wednesday Canford Cliffs will show you who is the best around. Even after he beats Frankle people will still doubt him. If Frankle wins ill be the first to congratulate him and pronounce him the best no probs. Only thing is that wont happen because will be beaten
delamitri78 7 months ago
@delamitri78 Supplemented for 75k,2nd to Frankle and Irish Group1 winner!!I backed Nathaniel at 7s,Rewilding was never getting there the bird had already flown,he wasnt passing St Nic just before he broke down. :)
MrSmid888 7 months ago
@delamitri78 Look mate, consistently Canford has won races by a neck, 3/4 length, 1 length etc... he was beaten already as a 3 year old! Frankel is a machine, watch Queally at work this wednesday he wont put a foot wrong! Richard Hughes already making excuses that Canford doesn't like the downhill parts of Goodwood! Regarding Nathaniel he deserved his win, beat Workforce and St. Nicholas Abbey two great horses! Doubt Rewilding would have won! Best to luck to both horses weds, Frankel is too fast
lm035 7 months ago
@lm035 At the end of the day where all intitled to our opinions. The time for talking is over. Lets just sit back and hopefully get a great race and may the best horse win
delamitri78 7 months ago
@delamitri78 Indeed, pity its only a four runner affair though!! It will be interesting none the less!
lm035 7 months ago
@lm035 Told you Frankel would have too much!! Serious Horse! Canford Cliffs couldn't handle it, he was beat 3fl out!
lm035 7 months ago
@lm035 Fair play to Frankel. No excuses. The best horse won. Have to admit im a little dissapointed. I thought Canford Cliffs would have put up a better fight. Canford had 8 lbs more to carry today but even if frankle had the higher weight he would have won that race today.
delamitri78 7 months ago
@delamitri78 Yeah I thought even with top weight he would have kept it close! He beat Goldikova in good fashion, Hannon said he wasn't happy with the course and that he would give it another go!
lm035 7 months ago
@lm035 Well after watching todays race im not so sure about Canford Cliffs beating Frankle. Even on a different track of level weights id now be doutful such was the apparent ease at which Frankle seemed to win today. Did'nt think id be saying this but i am an honest person and im not going to fool myself. I gamble to win so if they race again ill have to back frankle . Sad but true
delamitri78 7 months ago
@delamitri78 Yeah it was almost too easy, Canford Cliffs racing in Ireland early September think he may bounce back! Straight forecast next time they meet Frankel 1, CC 2! You'll get good value!
lm035 7 months ago
I think Canford will win, but if Frankel can beat him, he will deserve to be called one of the best ever. This is the ultimate test for Frankel, just another scalp for Canford.
Bax7a 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
lol. Sorry i must have got the days mixed up. So much good racing coming up im a bit confused. But im not trying to put Frankle down or anything i just KNOW that Canford Cliffs will win this race. Like you im glad he does'nt get the respect he deserves as it gives me the benifit of great odds. 11/8 you say. Thas unreal. Ill have a nice slice of that :)
delamitri78 7 months ago
wednesday they run,not saturday.i think its christmas come early with the 11/8 being offered by corals for canford cliffs.frankel is a good horse but cmon were talking canford cliffs here.people are getting carried away with the stigma attached to frankel and thankfully thats good news for us canford fans
rudolfhess1968 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
Rates me arse. Who says they know what there talking about. You'll see on Saturday who is the best. Canford Cliffs will win end of story. Frankle is a good horse but not that good. He never beat anything as good as Goldikova. CC to win
delamitri78 7 months ago
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chr1sred 7 months ago
have to hold my hands up regarding canford cliffs. i thought he was another hyped up horse from the hannon yard but since they have realised how the horse needs to be ridden, he has improved and gone from strength to strength.
his latest defeat of a top class horse and a living legend advertises this claim. what a race it will be between him and frankel.
azertyuiop32 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010
well i was one of those doubters but you cant ask for anymore than to be proved wrong with a brilliant performance like the one CC put in at royal ascot. i believe he will beat frankel if they meet in the sussex. CC has beaten better horses than frankel and that gives him the edge IMO
azertyuiop32 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010
CC may have to concede weight but IMO frankel had a very hard race at ascot. i dont tihnk it was queallys finest hour in the saddle. he chased a very fast pace and then kicked for home way too early. IMO the horse was all out at the end up to hold off his rivals. on the flip side CC's royal ascot win was far more straightforward and less taxing on him physically.
azertyuiop32 8 months ago
@azertyuiop32 couldnt agree with you any moore.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@azertyuiop32 Your statement is factually inaccurate and is completely SUBjective.
Canford Cliffs has NEVER beaten ANY horse rated 130, NOR won ANY race CONCEDING 8lbs.
CC MAY win: I'd be staggered &, frankly, wld look to lightning, Jockey error or horse health before suggesting it was because CC is better, BECAUSE HE QUITE SIMPLY IS NOT! Canford Cliffs was rated 122 at St James 2010. Frankel's rated 130 @ SAME period in respective careers. CC's 127 @4yrs. Frankel's ALREADY 130 @ 3yrs!
AvalonAvenger007 7 months ago
@AvalonAvenger007
well you were absolutely spot on. frankel destroyed CC and no amount of excuses form hannon and hughes can mask the fact the best horse by some distance won today.
i was critical of queall at ascot but he kept things simple and straightforward today and whilst im still not his biggetst fan he deserves credit for the part he played.
what a horse frankel is. he is a beast of an animal.
azertyuiop32 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Canford cliffs vs Frankel will be a great race I personally think Frankel will win but it could go either way depending on how they are ridden. Will definitely be one of the highlights of the racing calendar cant wait!!
thomson02 8 months ago
yeah canford will definitely beat frankel,,, Frankel, s run was poor.... he was stopin at the end,,, if he does the same against canford he ll definitely get beat.....
canford is the best.... we,ve not seen the best of canford yet,, i am really proud to be working at the yard where the great horse canford cliffs is......
alvashank 8 months ago
@alvashank
LOL! No, F is the best, that's all but a race is a race and you can't never tell! And the (most) ultimate race would be a F vs CC vs Goldi! He hasn't yet really proved he's better than Goldi.
astrenvi 8 months ago
@alvashank ANer CF time slower thangolden jub as r charlton said if brofthers been in diff races diff results cityscape gp2 winner beaten 2 l says it all , now trainer of cf want 1 m 2 mmm
bloodsuckerjohn 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
How the fuck did Canford touch 6/1 in running & Cityscape touch evens..Insane in running punters...Wish Goldi had won but beaten by the better horse hands down..
moono123 8 months ago
Y será que el "ali kan" del siglo 21 también ira a dejar esta carrera narrada y que en español para la posteridad?!?!.
wrgeologo 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
CC would be frankel easily
ccfc104 8 months ago
its simple he's awesome always has been always will be, thanks a million you absolute gem of a horse
Phelomerlin 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Canford Cliffs is the best miler around... No matter what horse you put in front of him he'll stock them and beat them with his incredible turn of foot ... bring on Frankel and Goldi Pt.2...
bphstanley 8 months ago
What a lovely ride by Hughes
TemerityApparel 8 months ago
I would think that Roger Charlton would have to be ecstatic about the race that Cityscape ran for him in the Queen Anne. It wasn't a surprise to anyone that Canford Cliffs and Goldikova turned out being the "big 2" in the race. But many people had Cityscape figured to be finishing behind Cape Blanco, Rio De La Plata, and even Ransom Note. Only beaten 1-3/4 by CC, and 1 length by Goldikova. Should put Cityscape on much more even terms with Dick Turpin now, should they face again? IMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
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MandrakeTM 8 months ago
I always though CC would just have the edge of Goldi, especially at somewhere like Ascot. I suppose in France or at the BC the story might be different, but in my opinion, when both horses are at their best, I'd give CC the nod to finish in front every time JMO
xWibbleywobbleyx 8 months ago
CC 1- Goldi 0
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F 1 - CC 0 ;-D
astrenvi 8 months ago
The bottom line is that Goldikova has just finally run into a horse in Canford Cliffs who's turn of foot is every bit the equivalent of her own, or better. She finally had to race a horse from the Hannon yard that wasn't named Paco Boy or Dick Turpin!!
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83
Totally agree.
Just wanted to add the fact that O. Peslier had 2 lbs over weight for Goldikova and has been fined for that.
2 lbs could represent 1 length, although Canford got that day a little margin.
MandrakeTM 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Répondre à cette vidéo... In fact when I see the video again and again, Goldi stops to insist just before the post and there was just half of a length right there. I don't think Canford got a degree of comfort, he was at his max.
MandrakeTM 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
5 straight G1 win's now for Canford Cliffs. No doubt he's among the elite in the world among turf milers. After seeing the outcome of this race, Goldikova's 4th straight B.C. Mile may not come as easily as her first 3 have, IMO. Also have to throw a shout out to Cityscape who himself ran a career best in this race. Beaten only a length by Goldikova, and a 1-3/4 lengths by Canford Cliffs. Fantastic run by Cityscape!!
GBeret83 8 months ago
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