@expertstrategy Not really, Wellesly had no choice but to retreat after the battle due to a lack of a support, but he chose to fight it because he knew he could win. So it can't be said to be a strategic loss on his part, more like a triumph for morale.
Humourously the French generals pretended that they had won the tactical battle to Napoleon - until he started asking how Victor had managed to win a battle AND lose all his cannon.
Napoleon controlled most of Europe, including Spain, Italy, Germany and Austria, from 1804-1814. The Battle of Talavera constitutes one of the first victories of the Spanish forces allied with Great Britain against Napoleon.
Napoleón Bonaparte controló la mayoría de Europa, incluyendo España, Italia, Alemania y Austria, entre 1804 y 1814. La Batalla de Talavera, en La Mancha, contituyó una de las primeras victorias de las fuerzas españolas aliadas con las de Gran Bretaña contra Napoleon.
Is the mounted officer giving the order to fire an American? He sounds like he's from the South. It's been over ten years since I've seen this and I don't remember much.
what would've been a nice touch is to have Sharpe use the Eagle to fend off soldiers trying to recover it like in the book, and to have him look up at it with its bloody and crooked wing
the "swords" you are refering to are actually bayonetts for the rilfemen they were longer than the regular 18inch and looked more like swords than bayonetts but they still went on the end of the gun. and the books are much better than the tv series and the chosen men start dying off near to the end of the series.
u know they can be called swords since they are 'sword bayonets' -.- and its called a rifle for a reason not a gun. muskets are guns cos there smoothboore. rifles are rifled obviously. so why act like u know shit when u just own urself to sumone who does know something.
So I wasn't a 100% perfect in my reply, it doesn't mean I don't know anything about that era I'm sure you've made a mistake once or twice about something...
The French shouting "Vive l'Empereur! Vive l'Empereur!" like zombies sound weird and stupid. That would be much more realistic if they were singing the "chanson de l'oignon" song : /watch?v=rl3qC3qEU6g
The British people watching are simple folk that need reminding repeatedly that the bad guys are French, and their led by an evil emporer and wouldn't understand anything as complicated as a traditional french military song.... Got to love TV producers.
In 1809 at Talavera, British II/87th and I/88th Regiment of Foot became so disordered and frightened after French attack that they fired at each other. Both regiments then took cover behind the 45th and 60th Regiment of Foot, reformed and the British division retreated, covered by cavalry. The British lost 440 men (incl. 100 who surrendered) while the French lost less than 100.
The soldier's senses were overloaded by what was going on around him, he was anxious as all men are, no matter how poor or excellent troops they are. (I am talking about real combat and real soldiers and not about armchair generals' wargaming.) Stress does funny things to humans, stomachs knot and arses twitch. :-) Watch the video of many soccer players shooting on their own goal posts...
The fact that nearly 100,000 men fought at Talavera and these casualties says alot about how the battle went. Essentially both sides attempted to out maneuver the other, but neither succeeded. After a few skirmishes the Brits gained the advantage.... only for the French to withdraw from the field.
The Alliance with spain weakened after and the Brits were forced to withdraw from the threat of facing the French without the Spaniards backing them up.
Certainly a great victory by the French you mention, surprising and attacking guys lying down resting.
BTW both battalions proved to be were excellent fighting units. Im sure you know the 87th was the first to actually capture an imperial eagle, not Mr Bean.
yeah, it is a bit rough around the edges. But i like the new features, and its cool that the green jackets are in it! Can't wait for the forthcoming multiplayer campaign, it'll probably take ages to do, but will be a good way to keep in contact with my dad whose also a total war fan :)
This is based on the 2 BN 44th Foot at Salamana, where they captured the eagle of the French 62nd Line. Look at it the Regimental colors are the same as the 44th's. And the 44th is also known as the EAST ESSEX
yea but you cant say you dont like sharpe and the way it always seems to work for him lol lmao but the sharpe series is absoultly brilliant dont you think????
This "thin red line" is a myth, together with its invincibility over the column. The French used the line for fire combat, and their artillery and light infantry were much better than showed. Also, how come the french never reach the British? The line would have crumbled if the first or second volley failed, prolonged bayonet fighting was very rare. And Talavera was indecisive, proving to be a French strategic victory, which Wellington admitted himself.
Strategic in that Wellington withdrew AFTER the battle. Overall it was a major tactical, if indecisive and costly, British victory (5,300 British casualties clearly illustrates who did the lions share of the fighting).
You do bring up good points though Regus. The Thin Red Line is largely a myth. In fact one of the majour mistakes that military theorists made after the Nap wars was to concentrate solely on the British tactics viewing them as the main reason for unbroken success in battle.
"The qualities that made the British Infantry, according to William Napier, were not superiour tactics or better armament but endurance and discipline"
The great French military theorist Jomini made similar conclusions. Nonetheless it was all too easy to explain the british success focusing solely on tactics and not on the morale and the unmatched standard of training and discipline (with a few exceptions) which the British army almost alone in Europe recieved.
The French when under competent leadership and successfully deployed in Lines 3 deep or the famous mixed order attacks were able to put up on occassion some very fierce and spirited fights (such as Albuera, Salamanca, and Vitoria)
It should also be noted that on several instances it wasnt the Shallow french attack columns that Wellington defeated so often but the larger and largely combat ineffective maneuver columns (Bussaco for example)
"Although the French army under King Joseph Bonaparte withdrew from the field, the British under Sir Arthur Wellesley (subsequently Duke of Wellington) soon withdrew from Spain, leaving their wounded to the Spanish General Gregorio de la Cuesta, who in turn left them to the French. This reduced trust between the British and the Spanish for the remainder of the Peninsular War." Although the allies were tactically successful, the French were strategically successful.
Spartancjl learn ur history the brits killed nopoleons armys in almost every battle with help form the spanish e.t.c but most of the soilders were british
Well that depends, the French won some battles against the british, and the spanish contributed quite much, at Talavera for example there were many more Spanish fighting on the allied side than british.
You would know that Sharpe, (Sean Bean) gave Harper (The Irish guy whos name escapes me) the 6, not 7 barreled rifle as a gift, in Sharpes Eagle. Yes, it was not used by the Rifle Divisions, but because Sharpe saved Wellington's life, he does not mind what Sharpe does, and lets him do such things. Besides, leter on Harper becomes a Sergeant Major, an officer, and is allowed to use what ever weapon he likes. Donw.. *sigh of relief*
Actualy it was 7 barelled. There are 6 barrels surrounding a central barrel, with vents conecting the barrels so when the priming charge on the central one is fired, all 7 barrels fire simultaneously. Harper was one of the only people strong enough not to risk breaking his shoulder when firing it.
@willmage222 Sergeant Major is a Warant Officer, which is as much of an Officer as a Lance Corporal (a Non COmmisioned Officer). It's 7 barrels normally used by the Navy.
@willmage222 the gun is a nock volly gun 7 barrels issued to the navy but was never likes as the recoil was so bad it often broke the shoulder of the firer
@MartynT1974 that's correct - it is a NCO's rank although soldiers called Sergeant Major a "Sir" instead of called Sarge-Major! At that time he had four stripes but nowadays he had royal coat of Arms on bottom of his sleeve or in hot weather - wearing a watch style badge.
@DavBlc7 I'm well aware of that - but if I remember correctly I was replying to someone who said that Harper carried the 7 barrel gun because he's an officer, which he isn't ;-)
I may look into it if i get the time, i havent really posted a video on youtube before so not really sure how to go about it. If i get the chance i might put the episode Sharpes battle which is one my faves :)
I am REALLY impressed as to how many history buffs are out there.
Funny Story: I went to Ciudad Rodrigo, and in the Tourist Office met up with 4 British Guys, teachers, history buffs, my age, and ....OK men, but single, not gay....(important point when you are from Sydney,Australia.) and MY AGE ...I will be going to a few more historical warsites/reenactments.....LOL
Before they ran away, they ran victorious all over Europe. While Britain can claim to have stood against them and won, few other could boast that. The script at the start of one episode is along the lines of "1809: Napoleon is master of all Europe...", and he was. The French Conquered and Conquered until they came up against Wellington's armies. Even Sir John Moore's offensive (and subsequent retreat) went more than a bit wrong. Of course, this all just makes beating them more of an achievement.
The russian winter and subsequent treachery of austria, prussia and the confederation of the rhine (bavaria, saxony and wurttenberg), plus the abandonment of murat (naples) and the other marshals are what finally proved the downfall of the french empire in 1813-14. the british were a pesky distraction from the west- though they too aided in the downfall.
A French General after Waterloo attributed 3 points to Napoleons inability to break the Allied army before the Prussians arrived and one of those were the British soldiers (specifically the Guardsmen). French General Chambray commented on the British as such, "orderliness, impetus and resolution to fight with the bayonet.".
In waterloo, the Prussians arrived long before the battle ended. Napoleon had to use his Young Guard/Old Guard against them. How can you say the Allied force was (only)British when only 24000 of the entire army, 67000, were British? Wellington admitted that Napoleon was worth 50000men. He even admitted he had "an infamous army, very weak and ill-equipped, and a very inexperienced Staff".
The British lines were crumbling, not standing firm at all, when D'Erlon attacked, and they were only saved by Uxbridge's cavalry. The first Prussians arrived at one o'clock, BEFORE the first french attack.
Biljiants brigade after a spirited and brave defense broke and pulled back
The French infantry were able to pressure Kempt and Packs British/German Infantry brigades but Pictons 5th Division (4,000) was successfully able to slow the French advance to a crawl and all the while Heavily pressured by some 16,000 French troops were in conjuction with Uxbridges cavalry, able to shatte 3 of 4 French divisions and repulse Napoleons first great attack.
The British and KGL infantry at Waterloo stood firm, there is no doubt about it. It was perhaps best summed up by a French officer afterwards on their performance that "the British infantry are the finest in the world; fortunately there aren't many of them"
Prussians arrived early in the battle and started firing on French reserves, and Napoleon had already divided his forces between him and Grouchy. Wellington, when asked who was the greatest general of the day, answered: "In this age, in past ages, in any age, Napoleon."
But not at any time during the Peninsula War did the British and their allies actually confront the Master of Europe himself. The Prussians, Russians and Austrians constantly faced Napoleon in person, that's why they lost.
Not until Waterloo, which was an allied victory. Although throughout the day, inspite of having superior numbers until the Prussians arrived, he still didn't break the redcoats. He had all day to do it as well. It's also the first time the Imperial guard retreated too. it's a very intresting scenario, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Napoleon could've turned around all of France's defeats in the Peninsular war. It could just as easily have been then that he was first beaten.
All day...? The French attacks began at noon, with the first Prussians (of Bülows corps) arriving at one o'clock. D'erlons corps wasn't deployed until the late morning, and mud delayed Napoleon. In all, he had about two hours to break the allied lines, not a full day.
well its his own fault that he didn't attack sooner. Well he wouldn't have his cannons but the british couldn't use then. The least he could do was deploying his troops en boney didn't do that so. and bulow arived at 4 'clock not 1
His advanced troops did arrive at 1, shorly before D'Erlon was sent towards the allied lines. He could have attacked sooner, but only with grave difficulties for his troops and artillery. Having sent Grouchy away, it seemed to be ample time to break the enemy, but there wasn't.
Cavalry = horses loaded with equipment and a rifer (also often loaded with equipment) supported by four small hoofs. They sink in mud easily, get slowed or bogged town, it was a major factor in the ineffectiveness in the cavalry charges that day
Actually Napoleon was superior in numbers of cavalry, artillery inferior in infantry. it was wet terrain terrible for artillery an cavalry especially.Napoleon's numbers were not a lot more except in artillery, certainly not to easily overcome a strong position.
Of the 45-50 thousand French soldiers, the Main force of some 40,000 were concentrated on the 20,000 British soldiers so not a 3 to 1 margin but still outnumbering the British
Many of the Spanish soldiers never even took part in the fighting (several days before, more than 10,000 Spanish troops fled)
The Casualties show who suffered the most in the battle with 5,500 British casualties to 1,000-1,200 Spanish.
umm.. can someone tell me why the sappers marched with the column when the French army attacked? aren't they only armed with like axes, and wouldn't their loss be hard felt since they're the army's engineers? if they're supposed to protect the eagle, shouldn't they be better armed, instead of looking so conspicuous with their white aprons... an easy target for the Rifles?
Because a musket takes some time to reload; when you're attacking in column you fire it off and then you're essentially left with a bayonet attatched to a blunt instrument since you won't have time to reload. A weapon designed for hand to hand fighting is going to be far more effective than a firearm with a bayonet on the end, and if anyone is close enough to threaten the eagle then odds are hand to hand combat has been joined already.
well, still, in this scene the sappers just look silly standing stoically there just waiting to get bayoneted-- they should've been armed with harper's seven barrel musket!!!
do you mean the french grenadier guards with the long coats? they're not just standing there, its that the column is faltering and while most troops are breaking ranks they are holding ground because as the regimental elite they shouldnt flee like the others and have to stand by the eagle to protect it.
This merely shows how few extras could be afforded on the budget. If you read the novels the account of the battle is accurate numericly, and in most ways too.
Sharpe's Eagle the book is well good, you should read it and that guy who posted "the French did NOT outnumber the British three to one as the video claims." should read the historical note at the back of the book
What a bunch of stupid arguments. It's an entertainment series. It's not "Military Documentaries Tonight". Man... some people have no lives... it scares me.
And did he get the training for it ? Hell, even if he did the fact that he is constantly shown going on killing sprees while barely being touched is propaganda in itself.
barely being touched? well it appears that he apparently got his arm sliced open by a French soldier so that eliminates that argument and you are taking this show way too seriously. It was not intended as propaganda.
Sharpe gets wounded quite a lot actually. The miracle is that inspite of being wounded so often, he never died of infection or complications from the wounds. Still, it's not as blatant as Star Wars or kung fu films, just enjoy it!
The Spanish regulars could fight just as well as the British, the Problem was A) they're commanders were usually terrible, and B) Poor organization made them rely on hastily assembled militia.
Disagree. The Spanish army was incomparable to the British, who had some of the finest trained troops, in terms of training and equipment. They were extremely brave and did their duty(victories such as Baillen) but were very ineffective compared to the British, French, and other great European powers. The state of the Spanish army was redeemed by the crucial contribution the Guerilla's.
I think it was Lundy's Lane Where the British army was attacked by US forces wearing grey uniforms, commanded by Winfield Scott. They brits were at first contemptuous, as grey meant militia. Eventually the US closed on them and used the bayonet, and the Brit commanded said "These are Regulars by God!"
This whole show is ridiculous too, Theres no way a man in a Skirmisher regiment could take down a Grenadier who was A) much more proficent in the use of the Bayonet, and B) Much larger and Physically stronger.
Firstly, they arent meant to be normal riflemen, but a group of elite soldiers(Chosen Men). Also, grenadiers were not necessarily any bigger than normal soldiers at this point. In the past it was true that grenadiers were chosen for their physical strength and size, but by the time of the Napoleonic wars this was an anachronism and soldiers were instead selected based on experience and skill.
Umm, yes they were. French grenadiers were chosen to serve as Grenadiers because they had already served in 2 campaigns, they were brave, and they were tall and strong. Short men did not go into grenadier units, they went into the Voltigeur units.
Secod of all, either way Bayonet or just using your rifle, Grenadiers were superior in close combat.
unfortunatly if you would have actualy read the stories, sharpe who was fighting against the grenadier was originaly inteded to be in the british grenadier squad, therefore making your point useless
The point about greater bayonet training is true, in that riflmen didnt use a bayonet as grenadiers did. Instead they carried a sword bayonet, which was never attached as it was quicker and easier to use by itself. Regardless, it was far more comman for the bayonet to not be used, and instead the musket used as a club. This was a much quicker and more instinctive, particularly in close quarters when the lines were broken.
I remember seeing tjat UK line troops often were contemptuous of ligt infantry because of rarely being in close combat, sort of siimilar to US infantry's contempt for US cavalry in early years of America's civil war
@convertiblejones1 The light Infantry were the Elite of the line infantry. A Battalion (Or Regiment, in those days very few Regiments had second battalions) was made up of 10 companies, 8 normal companies and 2 Flank Companies called the Grenadier Battalion and the Light Infantry Battalion, the Grenadiers were the tallest and the strongest, and the Light Infantry the cleverest and most independent minded, the green jacketed Rifle battalions were the elite of the light infantry.
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Ummm, at Talavera the Allies outnumbered the French by 10,000 men first of all. Second of all, the Majority of the Army was made up of Spanish soldiers, Not british.
True, but you've got to consider that the day before the Spanish refused to fight because it was a Sunday. The following night, 10,000 soldiers ran scared from their own musket volley fired out of range at French cavalry, and that after the battle the so called "allies" refused to provide the British with the food they promised (necessitating the withdrawal) and handed the wounded over to our enemies, who treated them far better. Spain's honour in that war is saved only by the guerillas.
If you actually read sharpe the Portugese and spanish arn't forgotten at all, both are credited for their important roles. The portugese are portrayed as tough, sturdy and good allies, whilst the spanish regulars are portrayed as brave and patriotic but poorly equipped and led and with little espirit d'corps. The Spanish guerillas however are portrayed as tough, brave, brutal and patriotic and a bigger danger to the french than the british! dont critise unless you have some background knowledge.
That American guy also was the main char in my fav Tales from the Crypt episode. Was so pleased to see him in this xD
VashDraven 5 months ago
7 people are the Frenchmen who lost the eagle.
XVIIcorpsgroup 6 months ago 4
@expertstrategy Not really, Wellesly had no choice but to retreat after the battle due to a lack of a support, but he chose to fight it because he knew he could win. So it can't be said to be a strategic loss on his part, more like a triumph for morale.
Humourously the French generals pretended that they had won the tactical battle to Napoleon - until he started asking how Victor had managed to win a battle AND lose all his cannon.
JPH1138 8 months ago
GIVE THE FRENCH A DAMN GOOD THRASHING!
Kotassium 9 months ago
Napoleon controlled most of Europe, including Spain, Italy, Germany and Austria, from 1804-1814. The Battle of Talavera constitutes one of the first victories of the Spanish forces allied with Great Britain against Napoleon.
Napoleón Bonaparte controló la mayoría de Europa, incluyendo España, Italia, Alemania y Austria, entre 1804 y 1814. La Batalla de Talavera, en La Mancha, contituyó una de las primeras victorias de las fuerzas españolas aliadas con las de Gran Bretaña contra Napoleon.
USCSoundCheck 1 year ago
For Frodo!
lakamas11 1 year ago
I love this Eagle
Totalwarbest 1 year ago
In reality the French won this battle, it was a strategic victory which is far more important than a tactical victory.
expertstrategy 1 year ago
I like how they had to change the British firing drill in this because the extras weren't as good as the real red coats ;)
BudgetAirsoftReviews 1 year ago
I wonder if there's chocolate inside?
ancalites 1 year ago
Yes 60% of the this coalition army was Spanish; though the British go first...
MrMorg19 1 year ago
Is the mounted officer giving the order to fire an American? He sounds like he's from the South. It's been over ten years since I've seen this and I don't remember much.
rinck17 1 year ago
@rinck17 Yep - he's a loyallist American who fled the US during the revolution.
BudgetAirsoftReviews 1 year ago
sharpe eagles is 1 of the best sharpe made
clonehero1 1 year ago
Shape rules!
Awesome battle, sends shivers down my spine!
sixlotties 1 year ago
Even back then the Frogs didn't like British beef. LOL :)
slitheen 1 year ago
good battle
ross79745 2 years ago
yo vi la recreacion de esta batalla en 2009 en talavera de la reina
gonesparta 2 years ago
what would've been a nice touch is to have Sharpe use the Eagle to fend off soldiers trying to recover it like in the book, and to have him look up at it with its bloody and crooked wing
009radix 2 years ago
does anyone else notice that the Chosen Men have swords but they never use them when they close with the french
intresting fact about Sharpe is that only 3 Chosen Men are ever shown to be killed
Shadowstrom 2 years ago
the "swords" you are refering to are actually bayonetts for the rilfemen they were longer than the regular 18inch and looked more like swords than bayonetts but they still went on the end of the gun. and the books are much better than the tv series and the chosen men start dying off near to the end of the series.
cooneyification 2 years ago
u know they can be called swords since they are 'sword bayonets' -.- and its called a rifle for a reason not a gun. muskets are guns cos there smoothboore. rifles are rifled obviously. so why act like u know shit when u just own urself to sumone who does know something.
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
So I wasn't a 100% perfect in my reply, it doesn't mean I don't know anything about that era I'm sure you've made a mistake once or twice about something...
cooneyification 2 years ago
i kno least u like to spread the knowledge so carry on. hav u read all the books there better dan the movies xP
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
yes read them all, very good reads but the tv series is just brilliantly bad
cooneyification 2 years ago
brilliantly bad? lmao well dats one way of putting it :P xD
RetardedPickle 2 years ago
The battle scene can't be more unrealistic
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
Well, they had a limited budget I guess...
Sanzo84 2 years ago
Which actor that played Wellington in this series is better?
David Troughton, who only played in the first two episodes, or Hugh Fraser who played in the rest of the series.
Infantryman123 2 years ago
Hard to say, not much between them - but the first Hogan is far far far better than the later one.
neverfearchrisishere 2 years ago
The French shouting "Vive l'Empereur! Vive l'Empereur!" like zombies sound weird and stupid. That would be much more realistic if they were singing the "chanson de l'oignon" song : /watch?v=rl3qC3qEU6g
MaxRWF 2 years ago
The British people watching are simple folk that need reminding repeatedly that the bad guys are French, and their led by an evil emporer and wouldn't understand anything as complicated as a traditional french military song.... Got to love TV producers.
neverfearchrisishere 2 years ago
actually i think you will find that they only said "vive le emperur" so this is historically accurate
ICe4563 2 years ago
In 1809 at Talavera, British II/87th and I/88th Regiment of Foot became so disordered and frightened after French attack that they fired at each other. Both regiments then took cover behind the 45th and 60th Regiment of Foot, reformed and the British division retreated, covered by cavalry. The British lost 440 men (incl. 100 who surrendered) while the French lost less than 100.
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
The soldier's senses were overloaded by what was going on around him, he was anxious as all men are, no matter how poor or excellent troops they are. (I am talking about real combat and real soldiers and not about armchair generals' wargaming.) Stress does funny things to humans, stomachs knot and arses twitch. :-) Watch the video of many soccer players shooting on their own goal posts...
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
The fact that nearly 100,000 men fought at Talavera and these casualties says alot about how the battle went. Essentially both sides attempted to out maneuver the other, but neither succeeded. After a few skirmishes the Brits gained the advantage.... only for the French to withdraw from the field.
The Alliance with spain weakened after and the Brits were forced to withdraw from the threat of facing the French without the Spaniards backing them up.
neverfearchrisishere 2 years ago
Certainly a great victory by the French you mention, surprising and attacking guys lying down resting.
BTW both battalions proved to be were excellent fighting units. Im sure you know the 87th was the first to actually capture an imperial eagle, not Mr Bean.
convertiblejones1 1 year ago
Sharpie loves showing off his chest.
blaisejones 2 years ago
at least he lives thru the series...he dies in every movie he's in lol
sudburylawyer 2 years ago
except ronin
bigderekkeene 2 years ago
touche but he will always be Boromir to me :)
sudburylawyer 2 years ago
speaking of this period, has anyone here checked out empire total war on the pc yet? its an awesome game.
BVargas78 2 years ago
Was playing it just there great game if it wasn't so bugged.
kingsman565 2 years ago 4
yeah, it is a bit rough around the edges. But i like the new features, and its cool that the green jackets are in it! Can't wait for the forthcoming multiplayer campaign, it'll probably take ages to do, but will be a good way to keep in contact with my dad whose also a total war fan :)
BVargas78 2 years ago
How unrealistic - the French would have run away long before that. :P
Another great scene from Sharpe!
Bangell99 2 years ago 20
British or Germans wouldn't.
Remember that those were French :P
AmersfoortTristan 2 years ago
Lulz
aceous99 1 year ago
who are these nit pickers ? the french lost
fox70to2009 2 years ago
This is based on the 2 BN 44th Foot at Salamana, where they captured the eagle of the French 62nd Line. Look at it the Regimental colors are the same as the 44th's. And the 44th is also known as the EAST ESSEX
24michiganironbrigad 3 years ago
Actually it was a strategic French victory, and a small force like that would simply be mauled by such an attacking force, that's for sure.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
yea but you cant say you dont like sharpe and the way it always seems to work for him lol lmao but the sharpe series is absoultly brilliant dont you think????
go sean bean he great
Jord1511 3 years ago
This "thin red line" is a myth, together with its invincibility over the column. The French used the line for fire combat, and their artillery and light infantry were much better than showed. Also, how come the french never reach the British? The line would have crumbled if the first or second volley failed, prolonged bayonet fighting was very rare. And Talavera was indecisive, proving to be a French strategic victory, which Wellington admitted himself.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago 3
your such a TWAT its a TV programme tht sum of us happen to like we dont all have history degrees - geez man give us a break
nobbz93 3 years ago
Strategic in that Wellington withdrew AFTER the battle. Overall it was a major tactical, if indecisive and costly, British victory (5,300 British casualties clearly illustrates who did the lions share of the fighting).
You do bring up good points though Regus. The Thin Red Line is largely a myth. In fact one of the majour mistakes that military theorists made after the Nap wars was to concentrate solely on the British tactics viewing them as the main reason for unbroken success in battle.
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
As I quote
"The qualities that made the British Infantry, according to William Napier, were not superiour tactics or better armament but endurance and discipline"
The great French military theorist Jomini made similar conclusions. Nonetheless it was all too easy to explain the british success focusing solely on tactics and not on the morale and the unmatched standard of training and discipline (with a few exceptions) which the British army almost alone in Europe recieved.
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
The French when under competent leadership and successfully deployed in Lines 3 deep or the famous mixed order attacks were able to put up on occassion some very fierce and spirited fights (such as Albuera, Salamanca, and Vitoria)
It should also be noted that on several instances it wasnt the Shallow french attack columns that Wellington defeated so often but the larger and largely combat ineffective maneuver columns (Bussaco for example)
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
"Although the French army under King Joseph Bonaparte withdrew from the field, the British under Sir Arthur Wellesley (subsequently Duke of Wellington) soon withdrew from Spain, leaving their wounded to the Spanish General Gregorio de la Cuesta, who in turn left them to the French. This reduced trust between the British and the Spanish for the remainder of the Peninsular War." Although the allies were tactically successful, the French were strategically successful.
IQ40000 2 years ago
good battle
andrew881thebest 3 years ago
funny that they get u thinking they'd get another person on the chosen rifle team but this is the last time u see the whole original team.
blaisejones 3 years ago
Spartancjl learn ur history the brits killed nopoleons armys in almost every battle with help form the spanish e.t.c but most of the soilders were british
nathan0896 3 years ago
Well that depends, the French won some battles against the british, and the spanish contributed quite much, at Talavera for example there were many more Spanish fighting on the allied side than british.
tomtensben 3 years ago
i don't know if that really looks like a bunched up french column...
blaisejones 3 years ago
Pfft... french... pfft.
majortuff 3 years ago
Pfft...you...Pfft
Kronstadtsuperior 3 years ago
Pfft
bassboi666 3 years ago
You would know that Sharpe, (Sean Bean) gave Harper (The Irish guy whos name escapes me) the 6, not 7 barreled rifle as a gift, in Sharpes Eagle. Yes, it was not used by the Rifle Divisions, but because Sharpe saved Wellington's life, he does not mind what Sharpe does, and lets him do such things. Besides, leter on Harper becomes a Sergeant Major, an officer, and is allowed to use what ever weapon he likes. Donw.. *sigh of relief*
willmage222 3 years ago
Harper was played by a man called Daragh Omalley
aaronharms123456 3 years ago
He was also in a docudrama about the crusades
Ichcann 3 years ago
Actualy it was 7 barelled. There are 6 barrels surrounding a central barrel, with vents conecting the barrels so when the priming charge on the central one is fired, all 7 barrels fire simultaneously. Harper was one of the only people strong enough not to risk breaking his shoulder when firing it.
commando552 3 years ago 4
@commando552
It's called a Nock Gun.
Octavius0 6 months ago 4
@Octavius0 its a volly gun made by mr nock of london
chaos574 4 months ago
@willmage222 Sergeant Major is a Warant Officer, which is as much of an Officer as a Lance Corporal (a Non COmmisioned Officer). It's 7 barrels normally used by the Navy.
BudgetAirsoftReviews 1 year ago
@BudgetAirsoftReviews that is true it was to clear the gun decks of enemy marines and sailors
OW41N 1 year ago
@willmage222 the gun is a nock volly gun 7 barrels issued to the navy but was never likes as the recoil was so bad it often broke the shoulder of the firer
Birkbecks 1 year ago
@willmage222 Sergeant Major is not an officer's rank :-s
MartynT1974 9 months ago
@MartynT1974 that's correct - it is a NCO's rank although soldiers called Sergeant Major a "Sir" instead of called Sarge-Major! At that time he had four stripes but nowadays he had royal coat of Arms on bottom of his sleeve or in hot weather - wearing a watch style badge.
DavBlc7 5 months ago
@DavBlc7 I'm well aware of that - but if I remember correctly I was replying to someone who said that Harper carried the 7 barrel gun because he's an officer, which he isn't ;-)
MartynT1974 5 months ago
Today is the anniversary of Talavera!
BVargas78 3 years ago
I may look into it if i get the time, i havent really posted a video on youtube before so not really sure how to go about it. If i get the chance i might put the episode Sharpes battle which is one my faves :)
Camilo83 3 years ago
I am REALLY impressed as to how many history buffs are out there.
Funny Story: I went to Ciudad Rodrigo, and in the Tourist Office met up with 4 British Guys, teachers, history buffs, my age, and ....OK men, but single, not gay....(important point when you are from Sydney,Australia.) and MY AGE ...I will be going to a few more historical warsites/reenactments.....LOL
carolethecatlover 3 years ago
oh yeah, we owned the frenchys
mngler 3 years ago
Awesome series! I'm really glad i own them all!
Camilo83 3 years ago
put on here then ...
please
DIRTYTORQUE 3 years ago
i thought they chanted 'vive le emperor!'
carolethecatlover 3 years ago
I think They're saying "Vive L'Emperor"
NuStrikeFreedom 3 years ago
Sorry, bad French.
carolethecatlover 3 years ago
omg watch the video and listen between 0.43 and 0.48
What a kick ass remark !
Tell that to the french
cleggie 3 years ago
i'm sure wellington would have told him
CollyFlower13 3 years ago
The only thing the french have ever been good at is running away
CollyFlower13 3 years ago
Tell that to Napoleon
pandapop999 3 years ago 3
He was Corsican.
Talbot6832 3 years ago
france had europe in thier hands, no one could defeat them untill welington came along but they basicly owned europe
teenmodeltara 3 years ago
Before they ran away, they ran victorious all over Europe. While Britain can claim to have stood against them and won, few other could boast that. The script at the start of one episode is along the lines of "1809: Napoleon is master of all Europe...", and he was. The French Conquered and Conquered until they came up against Wellington's armies. Even Sir John Moore's offensive (and subsequent retreat) went more than a bit wrong. Of course, this all just makes beating them more of an achievement.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
The russian winter and subsequent treachery of austria, prussia and the confederation of the rhine (bavaria, saxony and wurttenberg), plus the abandonment of murat (naples) and the other marshals are what finally proved the downfall of the french empire in 1813-14. the british were a pesky distraction from the west- though they too aided in the downfall.
LDD86 3 years ago
Napoleon wasn't beat by the Brits. Learn your history. Never once did Napoleon lose to an army that was composed mostly of British soldiers.
Spartancjl 3 years ago 2
surprised the french didnt surrender
lopido 3 years ago
A French General after Waterloo attributed 3 points to Napoleons inability to break the Allied army before the Prussians arrived and one of those were the British soldiers (specifically the Guardsmen). French General Chambray commented on the British as such, "orderliness, impetus and resolution to fight with the bayonet.".
Talbot6832 3 years ago
In waterloo, the Prussians arrived long before the battle ended. Napoleon had to use his Young Guard/Old Guard against them. How can you say the Allied force was (only)British when only 24000 of the entire army, 67000, were British? Wellington admitted that Napoleon was worth 50000men. He even admitted he had "an infamous army, very weak and ill-equipped, and a very inexperienced Staff".
chopinandliszt 3 years ago
I agree. If the Prussians had been late, Wellington had been smashed to smithereens by the Guard and Lobau.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
The British lines were crumbling, not standing firm at all, when D'Erlon attacked, and they were only saved by Uxbridge's cavalry. The first Prussians arrived at one o'clock, BEFORE the first french attack.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
Far greater detail is possible, but basically
Biljiants brigade after a spirited and brave defense broke and pulled back
The French infantry were able to pressure Kempt and Packs British/German Infantry brigades but Pictons 5th Division (4,000) was successfully able to slow the French advance to a crawl and all the while Heavily pressured by some 16,000 French troops were in conjuction with Uxbridges cavalry, able to shatte 3 of 4 French divisions and repulse Napoleons first great attack.
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
The British and KGL infantry at Waterloo stood firm, there is no doubt about it. It was perhaps best summed up by a French officer afterwards on their performance that "the British infantry are the finest in the world; fortunately there aren't many of them"
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
Prussians arrived early in the battle and started firing on French reserves, and Napoleon had already divided his forces between him and Grouchy. Wellington, when asked who was the greatest general of the day, answered: "In this age, in past ages, in any age, Napoleon."
IQ40000 2 years ago
Wellington also privately expressed some critisism on Napoleon militarily in later years.
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
@Spartancjl Except Waterloo. And Toulousse...
MrMorg19 1 year ago
But not at any time during the Peninsula War did the British and their allies actually confront the Master of Europe himself. The Prussians, Russians and Austrians constantly faced Napoleon in person, that's why they lost.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
Not until Waterloo, which was an allied victory. Although throughout the day, inspite of having superior numbers until the Prussians arrived, he still didn't break the redcoats. He had all day to do it as well. It's also the first time the Imperial guard retreated too. it's a very intresting scenario, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Napoleon could've turned around all of France's defeats in the Peninsular war. It could just as easily have been then that he was first beaten.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
All day...? The French attacks began at noon, with the first Prussians (of Bülows corps) arriving at one o'clock. D'erlons corps wasn't deployed until the late morning, and mud delayed Napoleon. In all, he had about two hours to break the allied lines, not a full day.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
well its his own fault that he didn't attack sooner. Well he wouldn't have his cannons but the british couldn't use then. The least he could do was deploying his troops en boney didn't do that so. and bulow arived at 4 'clock not 1
LtcolSharpe 3 years ago
His advanced troops did arrive at 1, shorly before D'Erlon was sent towards the allied lines. He could have attacked sooner, but only with grave difficulties for his troops and artillery. Having sent Grouchy away, it seemed to be ample time to break the enemy, but there wasn't.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
Cavalry = horses loaded with equipment and a rifer (also often loaded with equipment) supported by four small hoofs. They sink in mud easily, get slowed or bogged town, it was a major factor in the ineffectiveness in the cavalry charges that day
convertiblejones1 1 year ago
Actually Napoleon was superior in numbers of cavalry, artillery inferior in infantry. it was wet terrain terrible for artillery an cavalry especially.Napoleon's numbers were not a lot more except in artillery, certainly not to easily overcome a strong position.
convertiblejones1 1 year ago
Except conquering most of Europe in a couple of years I suppose...
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
It's actually a pretty cool show. Bear in mind that it didn't have a huge budget or anything.
Poejoy 3 years ago 3
Of the 45-50 thousand French soldiers, the Main force of some 40,000 were concentrated on the 20,000 British soldiers so not a 3 to 1 margin but still outnumbering the British
Many of the Spanish soldiers never even took part in the fighting (several days before, more than 10,000 Spanish troops fled)
The Casualties show who suffered the most in the battle with 5,500 British casualties to 1,000-1,200 Spanish.
IForgottenHopeI 3 years ago 3
and I partially agree
It is a somewhat lame program
I like Hornblower better!
IForgottenHopeI 3 years ago
umm.. can someone tell me why the sappers marched with the column when the French army attacked? aren't they only armed with like axes, and wouldn't their loss be hard felt since they're the army's engineers? if they're supposed to protect the eagle, shouldn't they be better armed, instead of looking so conspicuous with their white aprons... an easy target for the Rifles?
LDD86 3 years ago
Because a musket takes some time to reload; when you're attacking in column you fire it off and then you're essentially left with a bayonet attatched to a blunt instrument since you won't have time to reload. A weapon designed for hand to hand fighting is going to be far more effective than a firearm with a bayonet on the end, and if anyone is close enough to threaten the eagle then odds are hand to hand combat has been joined already.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
well, still, in this scene the sappers just look silly standing stoically there just waiting to get bayoneted-- they should've been armed with harper's seven barrel musket!!!
LDD86 3 years ago
do you mean the french grenadier guards with the long coats? they're not just standing there, its that the column is faltering and while most troops are breaking ranks they are holding ground because as the regimental elite they shouldnt flee like the others and have to stand by the eagle to protect it.
Camilo83 3 years ago
They are not grenadier guards. Napoleon's Imperial Guard wasn't on the Peninsula.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
the seven barrel musket was a royal marine weapon
britishpatriot01 3 years ago
If you had actually read the books, then you would know something.
willmage222 3 years ago
yer i know sharpe gave it him as a gift im only saying it was a rayal marine weapon
britishpatriot01 3 years ago
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LAME MOVIE! Such a small force would, in reality(or a good movie), have been crush to dust by those battle hardened French Grenadiers!!!!
TroupeDeMarine 3 years ago
Sean Bean will kick you in the balls for saying that about such an awesome movie.
frequentflyer1984 3 years ago
This merely shows how few extras could be afforded on the budget. If you read the novels the account of the battle is accurate numericly, and in most ways too.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
Vive la France.
130759 3 years ago 2
Sharpe's Eagle the book is well good, you should read it and that guy who posted "the French did NOT outnumber the British three to one as the video claims." should read the historical note at the back of the book
PunxDrunns 3 years ago
But it's true all the same. I don't like when people play around with history like this.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
It's just a cheesy low budget tv show.
The Hornblower Tv series is far better.
(on the contrary I find the Sharpe books superiour to the Hornblower novels)
IForgottenHopeI 2 years ago
poor denny
jbird909 3 years ago
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the cannon shots look so unrealistic and the soldiers act like 10 year-olds. What a lame movie..
chopinandliszt 3 years ago
Great video! However, the French did NOT outnumber the British three to one as the video claims. Doesn't matter really, just like to mention it.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
i adore the series thanks, there are some people with no clue about the napoleonic wars leaving messages on this video which is a shame.
villarreal8 3 years ago
thanks its great
villarreal8 3 years ago
thanks its great
villarreal8 3 years ago
What a bunch of stupid arguments. It's an entertainment series. It's not "Military Documentaries Tonight". Man... some people have no lives... it scares me.
Mayzee1964 4 years ago
God save the Queen!
KnightofLionel 4 years ago
Everyone like's feeling that their nation's history is full of super-men, It's exactly like the patriot.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
The show was intended for ENTERTAINMENT
not propaganda.
IForgottenHopeI 4 years ago
And did he get the training for it ? Hell, even if he did the fact that he is constantly shown going on killing sprees while barely being touched is propaganda in itself.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
Propaganda for what? The Nap. Wars ended a while ago
ajferet 4 years ago
barely being touched? well it appears that he apparently got his arm sliced open by a French soldier so that eliminates that argument and you are taking this show way too seriously. It was not intended as propaganda.
IForgottenHopeI 4 years ago
Thats rich coming from a Yank. The 95th were a very successful military unit in the Peninsula campaign.
Talbot6832 4 years ago
Sharpe gets wounded quite a lot actually. The miracle is that inspite of being wounded so often, he never died of infection or complications from the wounds. Still, it's not as blatant as Star Wars or kung fu films, just enjoy it!
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
The Spanish regulars could fight just as well as the British, the Problem was A) they're commanders were usually terrible, and B) Poor organization made them rely on hastily assembled militia.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
That usually constitutes poor fighting prowess.
Talbot6832 3 years ago
The British and Spanish were just as good each other.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
Disagree. The Spanish army was incomparable to the British, who had some of the finest trained troops, in terms of training and equipment. They were extremely brave and did their duty(victories such as Baillen) but were very ineffective compared to the British, French, and other great European powers. The state of the Spanish army was redeemed by the crucial contribution the Guerilla's.
IForgottenHopeI 4 years ago
Not really, existing units were very effective but Spain's infantry were often recent recruits or militia like most of America's regulars of 1812.
convertiblejones1 1 year ago
I think it was Lundy's Lane Where the British army was attacked by US forces wearing grey uniforms, commanded by Winfield Scott. They brits were at first contemptuous, as grey meant militia. Eventually the US closed on them and used the bayonet, and the Brit commanded said "These are Regulars by God!"
DonMeaker 1 year ago
Nice vid!
Joebobzilla 4 years ago
This whole show is ridiculous too, Theres no way a man in a Skirmisher regiment could take down a Grenadier who was A) much more proficent in the use of the Bayonet, and B) Much larger and Physically stronger.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
Firstly, they arent meant to be normal riflemen, but a group of elite soldiers(Chosen Men). Also, grenadiers were not necessarily any bigger than normal soldiers at this point. In the past it was true that grenadiers were chosen for their physical strength and size, but by the time of the Napoleonic wars this was an anachronism and soldiers were instead selected based on experience and skill.
commando552 4 years ago
Umm, yes they were. French grenadiers were chosen to serve as Grenadiers because they had already served in 2 campaigns, they were brave, and they were tall and strong. Short men did not go into grenadier units, they went into the Voltigeur units.
Secod of all, either way Bayonet or just using your rifle, Grenadiers were superior in close combat.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
unfortunatly if you would have actualy read the stories, sharpe who was fighting against the grenadier was originaly inteded to be in the british grenadier squad, therefore making your point useless
jtptst 4 years ago
indeed youre right smaller men did get into the voltigeur units because they could move faster and hide better
wulfsragar 3 years ago
not from sources I've seen
convertiblejones1 1 year ago
The point about greater bayonet training is true, in that riflmen didnt use a bayonet as grenadiers did. Instead they carried a sword bayonet, which was never attached as it was quicker and easier to use by itself. Regardless, it was far more comman for the bayonet to not be used, and instead the musket used as a club. This was a much quicker and more instinctive, particularly in close quarters when the lines were broken.
commando552 4 years ago
I remember seeing tjat UK line troops often were contemptuous of ligt infantry because of rarely being in close combat, sort of siimilar to US infantry's contempt for US cavalry in early years of America's civil war
convertiblejones1 1 year ago
@convertiblejones1 The light Infantry were the Elite of the line infantry. A Battalion (Or Regiment, in those days very few Regiments had second battalions) was made up of 10 companies, 8 normal companies and 2 Flank Companies called the Grenadier Battalion and the Light Infantry Battalion, the Grenadiers were the tallest and the strongest, and the Light Infantry the cleverest and most independent minded, the green jacketed Rifle battalions were the elite of the light infantry.
BudgetAirsoftReviews 1 year ago
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Ummm, at Talavera the Allies outnumbered the French by 10,000 men first of all. Second of all, the Majority of the Army was made up of Spanish soldiers, Not british.
Spartancjl 4 years ago
The size of the armies during the battle stood at 20,000 British and 30,000 Spanish(50,000) vs 46,000 French
IForgottenHopeI 4 years ago 2
True, but you've got to consider that the day before the Spanish refused to fight because it was a Sunday. The following night, 10,000 soldiers ran scared from their own musket volley fired out of range at French cavalry, and that after the battle the so called "allies" refused to provide the British with the food they promised (necessitating the withdrawal) and handed the wounded over to our enemies, who treated them far better. Spain's honour in that war is saved only by the guerillas.
xylaphonemaster 3 years ago
Great clip...thanks for the post!
utbr01 4 years ago
If you actually read sharpe the Portugese and spanish arn't forgotten at all, both are credited for their important roles. The portugese are portrayed as tough, sturdy and good allies, whilst the spanish regulars are portrayed as brave and patriotic but poorly equipped and led and with little espirit d'corps. The Spanish guerillas however are portrayed as tough, brave, brutal and patriotic and a bigger danger to the french than the british! dont critise unless you have some background knowledge.
kangaroomc 4 years ago 5
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The Brits always forget Portuguese and Spanish. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES DISHONESTS AND BUFFONS!
Den365 4 years ago
brilliant thanks
villarreal8 4 years ago
Great video and a Costly but impressive British victory
IForgottenHopeI 4 years ago
nice video thanks for uploading it :)
Waid24 4 years ago