When I compare REAL (real tube preamp operating on serious voltage) tube distortion pedal with my solid state and DSP distortion pedal I hear that tube distortion sound more pleasant to my ear, even when I max the treble. Tube sound is more ear-friendly. That's my experience with tube solid state/DSP stuff.
For strictly audio/music listening, I feel tubes sound more natural and engaging. I use both solid state (McIntosh) and tubes for CD/SACD/HDCD playback. Check out my videos.
The "experienced" guitarist talking about tube and solid sounds, lol. First, when comparing two types of mechanisms based on different electronic priciples you should do the same thing(in this example playing the guitar). On both amps, high mid and low freqs should be on the same level, and also, the guitarist should play clean sounds on both amps. On the tube amp you play whammy with a really extreme low lvl dist. and on the solid one you play highly distorted, with gain over 8. Sense zero.
14 people can't afford tube amps... Unfortunately I'm one of them...
Wait a second this is shredding @ 3:03? I was doing that shit like 2 months into my guitar playing... If this is shredding then I'm fucking Yngwie Malmsteen! This Video has unleashed the Fucking Fury!
the biggest problem with this "comparison" is that the guitarist is using two different setups: he's using a pedal board in the tube amp part, and going direct in the solid state part. good for marketing tube amps, i suppose, but completely unrealistic. also, not all solid state amps are digital, as the guitarist proclaims.
this is more like a comparison of one rig to a completely different one, and not at all a "scientific" comparison.
Thanks for posting. Just to throw 2 cents in, wouldn't it be more scientific, or at least more fair, to have him play a good guitar through a good tube amp? I'm seeing a short-scale w/ DiMarzios hooked to a pedal that scoops all of the tone out, and I think the microphone fell into a bucket or something as well. Also, all modern non p2p wired amps are as fragile as a fontanelle, get a warranty with that Line 6! (Or, buy one of the many good amps it's trying to emulate)
You could not be more right. In fact field effect transistor behave very much like a tube with high impedance input. I think it is the design characteristic of those days that make them have a distinctive sound.Which is actually in my opinion characterized by lack of design option. Today we even have class D amplifier which is nothing more than a switch mode audio amplifer that is very efficient. It is the best type in my opinion.
I bought a $340 crate SS guitar amp in 1994 which sounded ok until buying a off brand tube amp from the local swap meet for $20. Never again with SS, although they've improved some over the years. I also run tube amps for my stereo. The dynamics, sound stage, detail with tubes while SS seems flat and robotic. In short, why buy SS when the real deal is still available?
what a dumb comparison. Any person with a basic knowledge of science would try and compare the two amps generating sounds which are more or less similar so that the subtle differences between tube and SS can be easily observed.
Not really, it just told the truth. There are plenty of good, cheap solid states out there that offer good sound. However, it won't be as good as a quality tube amp.
OK - SAY YOU TOOK A TRANSISTOR, ENCASED IT IN GLASS, PULLED A VACUUM AROUND IT, USED A 'GETTER' TO DEPLETE NEAR ALL THE OXYGEN IN SAID ENVIRONMENT, THEN HEAT THE TRANSISTOR UP, WITH SAY A MINIATURE BLOW DRYER, OR SOME P-235, THEN PLUGGED IT IN A CERAMIC SOCKET IN A GUITAR AMPLIFIER - WOULDN'T SAID DEVICE SOUND JUST AS GOOD AS A VACUUM TUBE - CERTAINLY YOU CAN FIND THE LOGIC IN MY STATEMENT - IF SO MAY I INTEREST YOU IN STOCK IN ANOTHER OF MY INVENTIONS: A SOLAR POWERED FLASHLIGHT? THANKS!
@isoscelespopsicle The Spider is made for Noobs (like me), but it's not the worst in history. So what they got all this weird gadgetry on it (definitely not top-notch, but gives new players a chance to experiment) a good knowledge of tone workings can make a tone out of even the worst amp.
I compared the MG (Marshall style spider) and it seemed that Marshall downgraded badly with that thing.
Great scientific info. Horrible comparison. How can you give an honest comparison with a wah and a bunch of transistor pedals in the signal chain? A large majority of pro musicians use tube amplifiers. There's probably good reasons other than reputation.
Comparing a digital solidstate amp and a tube is not a valid comparison. A valid comparison would be an analog solidstate amp and a tube amp. An excellent example of a solidstate analog amp is the Tech 21 Trademark 30.
This is a very bad comparison. The guitar player is running through 5-6 pedals, so you can't hear the real tone of the amp, and he's playing different riffs, and styles.
@ClassicGuitarFan12 I havent actually watched all of the video yet (I dont think they are) BUT what if he had the amp " in front" of the pedals, wouldnt that make the input the modified sound so the amp is modifying that? Therefore wouldnt you be getting more of the amp tone than if it was with pedals in front of the amp?
I think tube technology is wonderful. Hot electrons jumping through the ether by the billions, controlled only by a metering valve at the discretion of their lord and master, to produce the sound of rock and roll. There's nothing like it.
It would've been nice if the guitarist didn't use any effects pedals so it is easier to compare the sound within the amp itself and not the amp with the different pedals, especially since he's using different pedals. The comparison is noticeable, but harder to hear than if you just had the amp.
no man, no, man...that line 6 cant be and isnt close to tube amp sounds and dont even mention dynamics, tone and harmonics......for ear sex, select tube, for drunken bashing select solid state, for ear drunken bashing sex select tube.
Hybrids are only decent for bass equipment. Emulators and Solid State colors the tonality of the guitar...which means that if you plug in a 59' Les Paul and then plug in a 2011 Epiphone...you will get nearly the exact same sound which is not only a travesty....it is a flaw with solid state amplification. Tubes on the other hand do far less coloring...if the amp is good...and let the guitar do the work. Sure it comes down to opinion and preference....sort of. The most rich sounds come from tubes.
@Sn4pDr4gon You can get a clear uncolored sound from solidsate amps. If you plug two guitars in to a solidstate amp they will sound different from eachother.Tube also provide more colorization than solidstate amps. This is like bassman and thejtm45 which is just a copy of the bassman except different output tubes. The reason Solidstate soundsbad to you is the only state amp you have heard is the fenderfrontman which has a terrible speaker this colors the sound causing badtone and a bad preamp.
"The reason Solidstate soundsbad to you is the only state amp you have heard...." Sorry dude. Check my channel. I have a little more experience with amps than that. Specifically the oh...I don't know...17 years I have been associated with 2 primary instruments. Solid State colors. There is no way around it.
I am gonna buy my first amp so I think I am gonna go for a 5 Watt Tube amp :D Judging by other people's opinions tubes will give more alive sound, and yes - I want the sound to be alive, I want it to be able to grab my throat and hang me up in case of bad playing xD or sound good to me, if my playing is good :)
in my oppinion the explanation given in the beggining was much better then hearing the guitarist do to the fact he was coloring the tone with effects wich made no sence during a comparison.take the reverb off the spyder and throw the pedal board in the street.THEN try the comparison again.
you really chose one of the worse solid state amps....this amp isnt good...line 6 in general is kinda low quality.....why not use a marshall MG or whatever? =/
@FatKidCookie thats your opinion....i do agree the Mg series dont have the most verstile tones....but i think theyre good for a classic crunch tone....you dont really get metal tones out of it indeed....but i dont need that, so if you think it sucks, its still your opninion
@HiggsFenderU2 What I was saying is that if you DON'T want to buy lots of equipment, you should go digital, because with tube amps you'll need more equipment to get the exact sound that you want.
@HiggsFenderU2 Don't worry, I didn't take it as an asshole comment, I was just clarifying what I was saying.
For people who are at a level where sponsorships make money a non-issue, like the Edge, you might as well get a tube amp + ton and tons of pedals and find your perfect tone that way.
My comment was mostly directed towards people with a budget, where it is impossible to experiment with tube tone cause it would be so expensive.
@10oooo01 -By calling The Edge shit, you are refering to his abilty to play guitar, right? So, by that you probably mean he isn't a lead player or as versatile a player as someone like Eric Johnson or Mark Knopfler, and you'd be right saying that.
But, because he dosn't play a lot of leads or complicated chord structures, he makes music that no one else can duplicate.
I mean, sure there are some really great lead guitarists out there, but can they make such a moving song as he can.......
@10oooo01 - Take for example: "Sometimes you can't make it on your own," or... "Where the Streets have no name," play it and listen to all the sounds, alright, then take a song like, I don't know...something more lead like, or "Hard to play" and see if it makes you think more or even if anything is more effective in making you listen. Don't get me wrong, i love a lot of great guitarist famous and not, but I think U2's music has the ability to stick to it's mood better than anyone elses.
Line 6 sucks!!!!! It plays itself It makes you sound 10 times better than you really are.And this video is wrong because tube amps blow solid state away.Digital crap!!!
Going with your gut with what sounds good is the main thing, listening to people who are making good money gigging and understanding what sounds good to most people is also the other side of it. I've heard solid state and tube amps sound good. Depends on the player, the sound guy, your PA quality, etc. I read the people in the audience a lot , you can see their eyes whince a little if you have too much treble coming through, helps to have a friend dial you in also!
Not only does the guitar player sound like crap, this video is crap.
The tube amp overloads the mic and the solid state amp isn't distorting in a natural way. So neither the tube amp nor the solid state amp sound like they usually would when distorting.
I agree. He's using a Line 6 as a solid state, which is probably the worst example for solid states. Plus he's playing two different genres of music when he compared the two amps. Its apples to freeze-dried oranges.
One difference that's seldom mentioned is output impedance. SS amps usually have a lower output impedance than the speakers they're driving, which translates into better output regulation and more resonance damping. That tends to mask characteristics of the speaker and make different speakers sound more alike.
@lrd9999 So, some of the "warmth" associated with tube amps is actually from the speaker. I've always wondered if putting an 8 ohm resistor in series with the speaker (and wasting half the power) would make the sound of an SS amp warmer. Of course, it wouldn't affect the clipping characteristics
@mattlittler89 The resistor would be an attempt to mimic the amp impedance, so the inductance of the speaker (which is there regardless of the amp) would not be an issue. But, the higher impedance of a tube amp is also partly reactive, so it wouldn't be a perfect imitation. I tried this with a SS receiver and a Bose 201 speaker, you could definitely hear more speaker resonance with the resistor in and it wasn't pretty; more ugly cab resonance.
@mattlittler89 Of course, the 201 is hardly a typical speaker for use with a tube amp, so I repeated the experiment with a larger, open-backed speaker from an old stereo. The resistor increased the resonance, but this time it was more cone than cabinet resonance; it did sound warmer and better, in my opinion. I'll try the same thing on an SS guitar or bass amp if I get the chance. Not the real thing, but I can at least say that it's worth a try for anyone who can't afford a tube amp.
Over the past year I've bought a Classic 30 (tube amp) and a Spider IV 30 (solid state). The Classic 30 is louder and better sounding. In little words, it kicks the Spider's ass!
All have their own sound and all get used for different types of music. If you want the heaviest bone crushing distortion around that just sounds like you plugged your guitar into the voice of God, then high gain tube amps are the way to go, IMO.
I find my solid state to be my workhorse. I can do just about any gig with that thing and they sound great. You can get tons of different tones.
@dlowrie290 dont you ned much pedals for the 6505 cuse im going to buy an peavey but i dont know what im thinking of the 6505+ or jus the 60 tube can you give me some tips:)
@TheBlind97 I bought the 6505+ because it sounds AMAZING!!! You don't NEED any pedals for it, except maybe a noise gate. It is loud and has massive, bone crushing distortion. If you play rock, hard rock, or metal type music, the 6505 or 6505+ will make you very happy and do the job very well. If it is ever stolen or lost I would get another one without even thinking about it.
@TheBlind97 The ISP Decimator is the best. This pedal even beats many rack mounted noise gates like HUSH 2c. I am not gigging right now, so I am using a BOSS NS2, which will work great at low to medium volumes, but if you are going to get loud and play live, get the ISP.
Tubes aren't ALWAYS the best. Tubes are good when you want a certain touch sensitivity and warmth. SS tends to do better as far as clarity and crispness. I have always been a fan of ss distortion regarding amps (most od and dist pedals are too) but the cleans on ss amps usually aren't very complex sounding, the way I like them. Even though I play hard rock, a squeaky clean tone is most desirable, which is why I stick to 6L6 based amps when I'm using something tube.
ok, ive got a question about an amp that i have. i currently own a Marshall Park Series G10MKII model and i know Park Series has been discontinued but could someone give me an estimate on how long ago Park Series was actually discontinued? the amp still sounds great but id like to know the year it was made in. thanks!
mosfet was proposed like 5 years after the development of tubes so the tubes enabling all the electronics is abit exaggerated imo. Although mosfet would have been much more expensive these times i believe.
Although proposed in the '20's, mosfets did not make their appearance in military or commercial electronics until the mid-late '60s,.
The "point-contact" bipolar transistor was invented in 1948, but began appearing in electronic equipment in the early -mid '50s.
They were fragile & very limited in power handling for another 10-15 years (& longer for RF amplifying devices). The "power mosfet" didn't really become commercially viable until the mid-late '70s.
Thats what im saying, there was another technology besides tubes, so if the tubes werent invented, we would still have had electronics, although more expensive and with diferent limits.
I did play a tube and didnt like the "warm" sound it made. that and I cant stand the overdrive it makes on louder settings. I like the flat glossy tone a Solid State makes ,But thats what I like You may like tubes for whatever it is tubes can do that solid state cant. Nuff said...
I don't know myself by I have always wondered if the high gain tube amps on the market don't really have some solid state circuitry to produce the higher gain then classic tube amps. If anyone really knows please enlighten me.
nope they are just made slightly different. like the spacing between the grid, plate, or cathode may be just slightly diferent or the may run hotter or cooler
well besides the digital nasties comin thru on the oversaturation of the tube amp demo clip the line6 is of no comparison comikng from someone who has played both and own a shitty pod.
pretty bad explanation of the differences and why one or the other is better.
Brennafugg 1 week ago
i think jimmy hendrix is back from the dead, with a bad guitar choice.
Stratmater 2 weeks ago
shame u r an instructor at music technology and cant get a decent recording without clipping.
2009korte 1 month ago 2
1:10... Such a great theme song for WWII.
sven914 1 month ago
When I compare REAL (real tube preamp operating on serious voltage) tube distortion pedal with my solid state and DSP distortion pedal I hear that tube distortion sound more pleasant to my ear, even when I max the treble. Tube sound is more ear-friendly. That's my experience with tube solid state/DSP stuff.
MrDirt86 1 month ago 2
CAN the leave it to beaver music
why760nitro 1 month ago
fuck... i didn't understand anything
alogcor 2 months ago
THAT GUY HAS GOOD STYLE HELLA ROCKS
BMXplease11 3 months ago
The sound comparison isn't fair...
The tube plays with different effects and a different song...
erickfuga 3 months ago
bitches love german oompah band music
skillzdatkillz900 4 months ago 4
tube
TheShagsJam 4 months ago
I'm quite happy with my Peavey tube-emulation crap. I'd prefer the colder sound of just normal solid state though.
MorkaGraven 4 months ago
For strictly audio/music listening, I feel tubes sound more natural and engaging. I use both solid state (McIntosh) and tubes for CD/SACD/HDCD playback. Check out my videos.
AudiophileTubes 4 months ago
hahah, he does sound like shit, this vid must be such a confidence blow, poor guy, lol
eduardoobregon 5 months ago
WTF Dinosaur babies.
pinksynth 5 months ago
lol everybody is bombing the guitar player
colombobogota 5 months ago
It looks like the spiderman guy but old
MoWtube 5 months ago
The "experienced" guitarist talking about tube and solid sounds, lol. First, when comparing two types of mechanisms based on different electronic priciples you should do the same thing(in this example playing the guitar). On both amps, high mid and low freqs should be on the same level, and also, the guitarist should play clean sounds on both amps. On the tube amp you play whammy with a really extreme low lvl dist. and on the solid one you play highly distorted, with gain over 8. Sense zero.
orfmor 5 months ago
It's neither tubes or transistors.... it's your ears! But I still prefer tubes!
poikaa3 5 months ago
14 people can't afford tube amps... Unfortunately I'm one of them...
Wait a second this is shredding @ 3:03? I was doing that shit like 2 months into my guitar playing... If this is shredding then I'm fucking Yngwie Malmsteen! This Video has unleashed the Fucking Fury!
D1vid3By0 5 months ago
the biggest problem with this "comparison" is that the guitarist is using two different setups: he's using a pedal board in the tube amp part, and going direct in the solid state part. good for marketing tube amps, i suppose, but completely unrealistic. also, not all solid state amps are digital, as the guitarist proclaims.
this is more like a comparison of one rig to a completely different one, and not at all a "scientific" comparison.
catpee3000 5 months ago
his tube amp sounded great. in comparison, when he switched to solid state it sounded like garbage
jgk381 5 months ago
Aha! A Gibson Sonex 180. Don't see many of those anymore.
br549sample 5 months ago
Thanks for posting. Just to throw 2 cents in, wouldn't it be more scientific, or at least more fair, to have him play a good guitar through a good tube amp? I'm seeing a short-scale w/ DiMarzios hooked to a pedal that scoops all of the tone out, and I think the microphone fell into a bucket or something as well. Also, all modern non p2p wired amps are as fragile as a fontanelle, get a warranty with that Line 6! (Or, buy one of the many good amps it's trying to emulate)
thehellezell 5 months ago
He's climbing in yo window and snatching yo people up!
Quatokamikasi 5 months ago
Solid State has its place, much more power than tube amp for the price.
Tube amps have that distortion, that sound, that is tube.
I have taken older electronics that was 100% tube mono and have build a solid state right, or stereo, side.
This means that the 2 channels are a direct evaluation of each other.
I did this not to prove anything, I just wanted stereo.
But I can tell you this, each has its sound, and everyone who ever heard it said the same thing.
Same speakers, same pickup, etc.
Arabhacks 5 months ago
@TheWildcatWarrior its a joke man. he does suck, but its still a joke. now go back under your bridge!! =)
jackwontknow1 6 months ago
COOOOHHHHEEEEEEDDDDDDD!
jwalsh8 6 months ago
You could not be more right. In fact field effect transistor behave very much like a tube with high impedance input. I think it is the design characteristic of those days that make them have a distinctive sound.Which is actually in my opinion characterized by lack of design option. Today we even have class D amplifier which is nothing more than a switch mode audio amplifer that is very efficient. It is the best type in my opinion.
tangnatalaga 6 months ago
I bought a $340 crate SS guitar amp in 1994 which sounded ok until buying a off brand tube amp from the local swap meet for $20. Never again with SS, although they've improved some over the years. I also run tube amps for my stereo. The dynamics, sound stage, detail with tubes while SS seems flat and robotic. In short, why buy SS when the real deal is still available?
Fendervana 6 months ago
that music in the background pisses me off really badly
reviewsnake 6 months ago
@casey19971 Welcome Home by Coheed and Cambria.
awesomdor 6 months ago
what song is at 3:51?
casey19971 6 months ago
@casey19971 sounds like coheed and cambria's welcome home... could also be a typical slayer riff but if so... failed miserably.
rodrigozamo 6 months ago
guitar player is shit!
myguitarjustshat 6 months ago
IN MY OPINION YOUR MUST BUY THE AMP WHEN THE SOUND IS GOD
FUCK TUBES FUCK SOLID STATE FUCK HYBRID.....SOUND'S GOOD....OK KICKASS!!!!
MONDOCHITARRA 7 months ago
@MONDOCHITARRA is a solid state amp the same as a digital amp?
tangleone 7 months ago
@tangleone NO IS DIFFERENT
MONDOCHITARRA 7 months ago
Most amps Solid state and Tube sound crap !
There is about 5 guys on the planet who CAN build really good sounding amps!
It's A.Dumble
J. Suhr "handwired amps only "
R. Bogner "handwired amps only"
Brandon Montgomery
and one more guy!
widepass 7 months ago
Dude ur not jimi hendrix
CrushedJustice 7 months ago
easy song on the nuke
morphbal1234 7 months ago
what a dumb comparison. Any person with a basic knowledge of science would try and compare the two amps generating sounds which are more or less similar so that the subtle differences between tube and SS can be easily observed.
llypde11 7 months ago
I think the video favored solid state.
frankcqIII 8 months ago
@frankcqIII
Not really, it just told the truth. There are plenty of good, cheap solid states out there that offer good sound. However, it won't be as good as a quality tube amp.
rigby333 7 months ago
thanks man ! that was really explainable ! it helps me.
mahmoudguitarist 8 months ago
Transistor amps suck. especially spiders!
TheTelecaster14 8 months ago
OK - SAY YOU TOOK A TRANSISTOR, ENCASED IT IN GLASS, PULLED A VACUUM AROUND IT, USED A 'GETTER' TO DEPLETE NEAR ALL THE OXYGEN IN SAID ENVIRONMENT, THEN HEAT THE TRANSISTOR UP, WITH SAY A MINIATURE BLOW DRYER, OR SOME P-235, THEN PLUGGED IT IN A CERAMIC SOCKET IN A GUITAR AMPLIFIER - WOULDN'T SAID DEVICE SOUND JUST AS GOOD AS A VACUUM TUBE - CERTAINLY YOU CAN FIND THE LOGIC IN MY STATEMENT - IF SO MAY I INTEREST YOU IN STOCK IN ANOTHER OF MY INVENTIONS: A SOLAR POWERED FLASHLIGHT? THANKS!
jehovahuponyou 8 months ago
i love how they chose the worst solid-state amp in the history of the universe.
isoscelespopsicle 8 months ago
@isoscelespopsicle oh please, aint as bad as the marshal mg
Narf030 8 months ago
@Narf030 i'm not familiar with that one
isoscelespopsicle 8 months ago
@isoscelespopsicle The Spider is made for Noobs (like me), but it's not the worst in history. So what they got all this weird gadgetry on it (definitely not top-notch, but gives new players a chance to experiment) a good knowledge of tone workings can make a tone out of even the worst amp.
I compared the MG (Marshall style spider) and it seemed that Marshall downgraded badly with that thing.
Narf030 8 months ago
Slash's munted cousin
ztikmaen 9 months ago
get ride of the background music...
Atomicflash500 9 months ago
Great scientific info. Horrible comparison. How can you give an honest comparison with a wah and a bunch of transistor pedals in the signal chain? A large majority of pro musicians use tube amplifiers. There's probably good reasons other than reputation.
unionjackamps 10 months ago
Comparing a digital solidstate amp and a tube is not a valid comparison. A valid comparison would be an analog solidstate amp and a tube amp. An excellent example of a solidstate analog amp is the Tech 21 Trademark 30.
LetzBeaFranque 10 months ago
lmao,lmao,lmao,lmao,lmao,lmao,lmao,................This was a wealth of info. Don't know how I ever got along without it!
matalmike 11 months ago
This is a very bad comparison. The guitar player is running through 5-6 pedals, so you can't hear the real tone of the amp, and he's playing different riffs, and styles.
ClassicGuitarFan12 11 months ago 18
@ClassicGuitarFan12 I havent actually watched all of the video yet (I dont think they are) BUT what if he had the amp " in front" of the pedals, wouldnt that make the input the modified sound so the amp is modifying that? Therefore wouldnt you be getting more of the amp tone than if it was with pedals in front of the amp?
DaMcaAtak 4 days ago
Of course he's playing one of the poorer-sounding digital amps...
saxmachine123 11 months ago
I think tube technology is wonderful. Hot electrons jumping through the ether by the billions, controlled only by a metering valve at the discretion of their lord and master, to produce the sound of rock and roll. There's nothing like it.
TYX91101 11 months ago
It would've been nice if the guitarist didn't use any effects pedals so it is easier to compare the sound within the amp itself and not the amp with the different pedals, especially since he's using different pedals. The comparison is noticeable, but harder to hear than if you just had the amp.
lucidaguitar 11 months ago
The guy demoing the amps, very basic and a sloppy playing,
MrJuno6 11 months ago
HOLD YOUR HORSE IS!
xPsuedo 1 year ago
hella
spacenoise5 1 year ago
no man, no, man...that line 6 cant be and isnt close to tube amp sounds and dont even mention dynamics, tone and harmonics......for ear sex, select tube, for drunken bashing select solid state, for ear drunken bashing sex select tube.
FingerLickinGravy67 1 year ago
Turn off the wah!!!
andros1984 1 year ago
Hybrids are only decent for bass equipment. Emulators and Solid State colors the tonality of the guitar...which means that if you plug in a 59' Les Paul and then plug in a 2011 Epiphone...you will get nearly the exact same sound which is not only a travesty....it is a flaw with solid state amplification. Tubes on the other hand do far less coloring...if the amp is good...and let the guitar do the work. Sure it comes down to opinion and preference....sort of. The most rich sounds come from tubes.
Sn4pDr4gon 1 year ago
@Sn4pDr4gon You can get a clear uncolored sound from solidsate amps. If you plug two guitars in to a solidstate amp they will sound different from eachother.Tube also provide more colorization than solidstate amps. This is like bassman and thejtm45 which is just a copy of the bassman except different output tubes. The reason Solidstate soundsbad to you is the only state amp you have heard is the fenderfrontman which has a terrible speaker this colors the sound causing badtone and a bad preamp.
SkeletinProductions 1 year ago
@SkeletinProductions
"The reason Solidstate soundsbad to you is the only state amp you have heard...." Sorry dude. Check my channel. I have a little more experience with amps than that. Specifically the oh...I don't know...17 years I have been associated with 2 primary instruments. Solid State colors. There is no way around it.
Sn4pDr4gon 1 year ago
I think Dexter made the "Steve Vai shreds", "Angus Young shreds", etc.
chopperdeath 1 year ago
Follow your heart and find the amp that's got the sound you want, and that's the amp you should buy and enjoy.. pff, ok gimme 2500.00 lol
ROYALNOZGUL 1 year ago
I am gonna buy my first amp so I think I am gonna go for a 5 Watt Tube amp :D Judging by other people's opinions tubes will give more alive sound, and yes - I want the sound to be alive, I want it to be able to grab my throat and hang me up in case of bad playing xD or sound good to me, if my playing is good :)
TonyGognitti 1 year ago
Does that guy even play guitar? Sounds like he's just hitting random notes.
joshkalsi 1 year ago
Thank you for posting the video, although the demonstrations of solid and tube amps had more than one variable.
Bowyerma 1 year ago
in my oppinion the explanation given in the beggining was much better then hearing the guitarist do to the fact he was coloring the tone with effects wich made no sence during a comparison.take the reverb off the spyder and throw the pedal board in the street.THEN try the comparison again.
chrisharper78 1 year ago
you really chose one of the worse solid state amps....this amp isnt good...line 6 in general is kinda low quality.....why not use a marshall MG or whatever? =/
NoName01071992 1 year ago
@NoName01071992 marshall MG sucks nuts get the peavey vypyr
SR5127CL 1 year ago
@SR5127CL nah, dont like peavey, and i like the MG series, only when theyre 30 watt or higher...i think it are pretty nice and low priced amps :)
NoName01071992 1 year ago
@NoName01071992 lol marshall mg sucks peavy has more of a versatile tone
FatKidCookie 1 year ago
@FatKidCookie thats your opinion....i do agree the Mg series dont have the most verstile tones....but i think theyre good for a classic crunch tone....you dont really get metal tones out of it indeed....but i dont need that, so if you think it sucks, its still your opninion
NoName01071992 1 year ago
Fender Solid State Combos blow Line 6 out of the water.
AirHendrix91 1 year ago
If you want absolute control over your tone without having to buy tons of different equipment, go digital.
If you don't care about control and want to be able to just plug in and hear something that is tried and true, go tube.
TesseractDigital 1 year ago
@TesseractDigital
-The Edge uses mostly Vox AC30s which are all valve/tube.
His sounds are are in absolute control, and he has more equiptment than anyone in his rig and on the floor combined.
Matt.
HiggsFenderU2 1 year ago
@HiggsFenderU2 What I was saying is that if you DON'T want to buy lots of equipment, you should go digital, because with tube amps you'll need more equipment to get the exact sound that you want.
TesseractDigital 1 year ago
@TesseractDigital
-I was just saying, I wasn't trying to be an asshole or anything.
Sorry,
Matt.
HiggsFenderU2 1 year ago
@HiggsFenderU2 Don't worry, I didn't take it as an asshole comment, I was just clarifying what I was saying.
For people who are at a level where sponsorships make money a non-issue, like the Edge, you might as well get a tube amp + ton and tons of pedals and find your perfect tone that way.
My comment was mostly directed towards people with a budget, where it is impossible to experiment with tube tone cause it would be so expensive.
TesseractDigital 1 year ago
@HiggsFenderU2 "How little can I play without everyone realizing I am shit without effects?
10oooo01 1 year ago
@10oooo01 -Fair enough, but first write a song better than The Edge has and your comment will have a place to stand.
Matt.
HiggsFenderU2 1 year ago
@HiggsFenderU2 Sorry mate...I don't follow your logic. How does my writing a song affect the standing or validity of my comment.
10oooo01 1 year ago
@10oooo01 -By calling The Edge shit, you are refering to his abilty to play guitar, right? So, by that you probably mean he isn't a lead player or as versatile a player as someone like Eric Johnson or Mark Knopfler, and you'd be right saying that.
But, because he dosn't play a lot of leads or complicated chord structures, he makes music that no one else can duplicate.
I mean, sure there are some really great lead guitarists out there, but can they make such a moving song as he can.......
HiggsFenderU2 1 year ago
@10oooo01 - Take for example: "Sometimes you can't make it on your own," or... "Where the Streets have no name," play it and listen to all the sounds, alright, then take a song like, I don't know...something more lead like, or "Hard to play" and see if it makes you think more or even if anything is more effective in making you listen. Don't get me wrong, i love a lot of great guitarist famous and not, but I think U2's music has the ability to stick to it's mood better than anyone elses.
HiggsFenderU2 1 year ago
Line 6 sucks!!!!! It plays itself It makes you sound 10 times better than you really are.And this video is wrong because tube amps blow solid state away.Digital crap!!!
skiffguard1996 1 year ago
@skiffguard1996 If modeling amps make you sound better, doesn't that mean its better seeing as the best amps are those which sound the best?
TesseractDigital 1 year ago
buy both.
firubbi 1 year ago
Going with your gut with what sounds good is the main thing, listening to people who are making good money gigging and understanding what sounds good to most people is also the other side of it. I've heard solid state and tube amps sound good. Depends on the player, the sound guy, your PA quality, etc. I read the people in the audience a lot , you can see their eyes whince a little if you have too much treble coming through, helps to have a friend dial you in also!
guitardaawg 1 year ago
Not only does the guitar player sound like crap, this video is crap.
The tube amp overloads the mic and the solid state amp isn't distorting in a natural way. So neither the tube amp nor the solid state amp sound like they usually would when distorting.
Crap. Don't believe this video.
jb1563700 1 year ago
The guitar player sounds like crap.
xsamitt 1 year ago 78
@xsamitt
I agree. He's using a Line 6 as a solid state, which is probably the worst example for solid states. Plus he's playing two different genres of music when he compared the two amps. Its apples to freeze-dried oranges.
crusha540 1 year ago
omg, please tell me he's not using an amp modeling device through an actual amplifier. The tone is utter shit when you do that, horrible example.
rickortiz7 1 year ago
stop that crap music in the background. holy shit
justjoe032 1 year ago
pfff, line 6? you shoulda have used a fender for comparing tubes and solid-state.
JohnTheRipper2 1 year ago
are the hybrid amps worth it? im thinking of getting a marshall pre tube and SS
alexc475 1 year ago
@alexc475 no
mattlittler89 1 year ago
@alexc475 Nope, the magic in tube amps happens in the power section not the preamp.
lookagain77 1 year ago
Tube sounded a lot better in my opinion, warmer and clearer. The SS sounded colder and not as clear.
TheZombieRitual 1 year ago
One difference that's seldom mentioned is output impedance. SS amps usually have a lower output impedance than the speakers they're driving, which translates into better output regulation and more resonance damping. That tends to mask characteristics of the speaker and make different speakers sound more alike.
lrd9999 1 year ago
@lrd9999 So, some of the "warmth" associated with tube amps is actually from the speaker. I've always wondered if putting an 8 ohm resistor in series with the speaker (and wasting half the power) would make the sound of an SS amp warmer. Of course, it wouldn't affect the clipping characteristics
lrd9999 1 year ago
@lrd9999 that won't work. speakers are not just a big resistor. their inductance isn't 8 (or 4 ot 16) at all frequencies
mattlittler89 1 year ago
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lrd9999 1 year ago
@mattlittler89 The resistor would be an attempt to mimic the amp impedance, so the inductance of the speaker (which is there regardless of the amp) would not be an issue. But, the higher impedance of a tube amp is also partly reactive, so it wouldn't be a perfect imitation. I tried this with a SS receiver and a Bose 201 speaker, you could definitely hear more speaker resonance with the resistor in and it wasn't pretty; more ugly cab resonance.
lrd9999 1 year ago
@mattlittler89 Of course, the 201 is hardly a typical speaker for use with a tube amp, so I repeated the experiment with a larger, open-backed speaker from an old stereo. The resistor increased the resonance, but this time it was more cone than cabinet resonance; it did sound warmer and better, in my opinion. I'll try the same thing on an SS guitar or bass amp if I get the chance. Not the real thing, but I can at least say that it's worth a try for anyone who can't afford a tube amp.
lrd9999 1 year ago
Over the past year I've bought a Classic 30 (tube amp) and a Spider IV 30 (solid state). The Classic 30 is louder and better sounding. In little words, it kicks the Spider's ass!
djmixer7 1 year ago
I currently own
1. Tube amp (Peavey 6505)
2. Solid State (Peavey XXL)
3. Mosfet (Randall RG100 G3)
All have their own sound and all get used for different types of music. If you want the heaviest bone crushing distortion around that just sounds like you plugged your guitar into the voice of God, then high gain tube amps are the way to go, IMO.
I find my solid state to be my workhorse. I can do just about any gig with that thing and they sound great. You can get tons of different tones.
dlowrie290 1 year ago
@dlowrie290 dont you ned much pedals for the 6505 cuse im going to buy an peavey but i dont know what im thinking of the 6505+ or jus the 60 tube can you give me some tips:)
TheBlind97 1 year ago
@TheBlind97 I bought the 6505+ because it sounds AMAZING!!! You don't NEED any pedals for it, except maybe a noise gate. It is loud and has massive, bone crushing distortion. If you play rock, hard rock, or metal type music, the 6505 or 6505+ will make you very happy and do the job very well. If it is ever stolen or lost I would get another one without even thinking about it.
dlowrie290 1 year ago
@dlowrie290 what kind of noise gate any recomendtions??
TheBlind97 1 year ago
@TheBlind97 The ISP Decimator is the best. This pedal even beats many rack mounted noise gates like HUSH 2c. I am not gigging right now, so I am using a BOSS NS2, which will work great at low to medium volumes, but if you are going to get loud and play live, get the ISP.
dlowrie290 1 year ago
Tubes aren't ALWAYS the best. Tubes are good when you want a certain touch sensitivity and warmth. SS tends to do better as far as clarity and crispness. I have always been a fan of ss distortion regarding amps (most od and dist pedals are too) but the cleans on ss amps usually aren't very complex sounding, the way I like them. Even though I play hard rock, a squeaky clean tone is most desirable, which is why I stick to 6L6 based amps when I'm using something tube.
RNRDOLL 1 year ago
ok, ive got a question about an amp that i have. i currently own a Marshall Park Series G10MKII model and i know Park Series has been discontinued but could someone give me an estimate on how long ago Park Series was actually discontinued? the amp still sounds great but id like to know the year it was made in. thanks!
BlueLeppard 1 year ago
@BlueLeppard
I wouldn't worry about it it's a bunch of crap
chesto18 1 year ago
3:52 -i hear coheed &cambreeas welcome home
yungskiz 1 year ago
mosfet was proposed like 5 years after the development of tubes so the tubes enabling all the electronics is abit exaggerated imo. Although mosfet would have been much more expensive these times i believe.
VarykGerai 2 years ago
are you kiding? i would like to know where you got that info because it was first built in 1965. and tube came in just after wwI
bob505470 2 years ago
i said proposed not a built amp. the fact that tube system were cheaper to manufacture the mosfet technology got delayed even more.
VarykGerai 2 years ago
Although proposed in the '20's, mosfets did not make their appearance in military or commercial electronics until the mid-late '60s,.
The "point-contact" bipolar transistor was invented in 1948, but began appearing in electronic equipment in the early -mid '50s.
They were fragile & very limited in power handling for another 10-15 years (& longer for RF amplifying devices). The "power mosfet" didn't really become commercially viable until the mid-late '70s.
ErsatzFreedonia 2 years ago 5
Thats what im saying, there was another technology besides tubes, so if the tubes werent invented, we would still have had electronics, although more expensive and with diferent limits.
VarykGerai 2 years ago
@ErsatzFreedonia im learning about that stuff in my engineering classes!!!
sleepyhead7391 1 year ago
Solid State all the way !
turnthatshitdown 2 years ago
play a tube, you will never say that again.
bob505470 2 years ago
I did play a tube and didnt like the "warm" sound it made. that and I cant stand the overdrive it makes on louder settings. I like the flat glossy tone a Solid State makes ,But thats what I like You may like tubes for whatever it is tubes can do that solid state cant. Nuff said...
turnthatshitdown 2 years ago
dude.. your insane
bob505470 2 years ago
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Solid State all the way ! I agree... my Vetta II kicks my marshall amp ass!
IncineratorFilms 2 years ago
Go Tube or Go Home!!
cob4lyf04 2 years ago
@cob4lyf04 i like that :D
alexc475 1 year ago
I don't know myself by I have always wondered if the high gain tube amps on the market don't really have some solid state circuitry to produce the higher gain then classic tube amps. If anyone really knows please enlighten me.
arrakkis666 2 years ago
nope they are just made slightly different. like the spacing between the grid, plate, or cathode may be just slightly diferent or the may run hotter or cooler
bob505470 2 years ago
well besides the digital nasties comin thru on the oversaturation of the tube amp demo clip the line6 is of no comparison comikng from someone who has played both and own a shitty pod.
teflondon91 2 years ago
YEAAAHHHHH!!!! Dr. Jay in the house.
Valdez707remixed 2 years ago