Not that I really want to jump into this or anything but I feel like I need to point out that Hitler doing something does not show that it is evil, he loved dogs after all. So even if something someone says just happens to be the exact wording of Mein Kempf (which I'm not sure how that's possible seeing that there'd be a translation gap), unless they were directly quoting it themselves it doesn't show that their argument is any less valid (or, as I assume you're trying to say in this case, evil)
@lucsajsr Thats not what euthanasia is about. Nobody is forced to kill oneself or is killed...it is a choice when there are no useable medical procedures left to use. This is people talking about things they do not understand. Nobody says anything when someone declines medical help, yet there is an outrage when they are helped while suffering? Look up Chantal Sebire and tell me you would deny her...these arent healthy people, theyre terminal with no other choice.
@sloth0876 That is not true. The Nazis performed euthanasia on anyone born with a defect. They even killed blind and deaf people. They also believed they were relieving people of their suffering. But in reality it was murder, just like abortion is murder.
@JimmyFormerMarine Was i talking about nazis? No. Is America trying to make a socialized medical system like nazi germany? No. Does this system work successfully in Oregon with little to no problems? Yes. The medical field has a saying, "Damnant quad non intellegunt" ...look it up. If you want to talk about forced natural selection in humans, or even euthanasia in general, i'll be here. Lets be honest...you cant truly understand why this is needed until you watch someone waste away.
@JimmyFormerMarine What is your experience on this topic? What makes you the judge on what is right, or ethical? If you honestly want to compare america to nazi germany, i think you need to go back to school. Please tell me what you have against this.
@sloth0876 I believe in God. That is all you need to know. I am not comparing America to Nazi Germany. But I am opposed to Obama's policies and will work to see that he is defeated in the next election.
@JimmyFormerMarine Even that argument is flawed in this situation. There are 2 huge problems with it. 1. Not everyone believes what you do, and death is not considered bad in other religions or rationales. 2. The first amendment of the constitution, clarified by Jefferson, says there must be a seperation between church and state. This was legal in america before obama, but im sure you knew that? Its almost disturbing that we end an animals suffering but will not do it for another human.
@sloth0876 If what you say is true, what is the big deal made about health care and curing disease? If we all die in the end anyway, why is such a great effort made to prevent it?
@JimmyFormerMarine Nobody wants to die when they are healthy, but if your choices are to suffer with an incurable disease or end your life on your own terms by your own choice...it seems like a pretty simple choice. If your religion says early death is abhorrent, dont use it. As i said before though, laws that govern the united states cannot be based on religion. Just becuase one group doesnt believe doesnt mean everyone doesnt.
@JimmyFormerMarine To those who are confident with their decision, it is. Nobody is forced to go through with assisted death, it is a decision made by a family and guided by medical profesionals. To say assisted suicide is anything like nazi germany is sickening. Just becuase assisted death is suggested doesnt mean a patient has to even consider it. People view this as a doctor forcefully killing a patient, and that is just not true. Assisted death is very misunderstood.
@sloth0876 Most people commit suicide because they're depressed. It's the easy way out. Don't idealize suicide, assisted or not assisted. Life is a sacred gift.
@JimmyFormerMarine Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, suicide is a side effect of the imbalance (in a sense). Suicide isnt ideal, and the lives effected by assisted death are anything but livable....
@JimmyFormerMarine Who said i put a low value on life? This isnt an option for everybody. The human body is very resilient, but just becuase we can survive doesnt mean that the quality of life we experience is worth living.
@JimmyFormerMarine What does your bible say about passing judgement upon others? You literally know nothing about me besides that I am a proponet to end the suffering of people who wish to no longer live...how inhumane of me. I hope you never encounter a situation to challenge your beliefs as i have had, and the world will be a better place when people listen to all arguments instead of jumping to conclusions based upon preconcieved notions.
@JimmyFormerMarine Case in point, go search the first name i told you to look up, chantal sebire, is that life worth living after being so accomplished?
@lkmrn325 Actually forgot about this whole thread...made me smile to read it again. Gota love when people speak about things they have no experience with...I'm still waiting for the day i hear an argument that hasnt been completely dismantled...people seem to quit debating me, or change their argument to how i am just an abhorrent person...fun stuff.
BEWARE when insurance companies refer your loved one over to either so-called "palliative care" or a contracted hospice. Children, watch your parents' backs...PLEASE!!!! Euthanasia is definitely happening as we "speak," and fast! Particularly with the elderly and senior citizens.
but will they relieve their pain, will they be able to go out on a cloud of victory morphine?
Centain celestrial beings, the aliens that planted life on our planet state that more normal planets have already erased their degenerate stocks, the genetic traits that
predispose most subminded or subphysically deformed individuals. they say we should have done it al long time ago and we should be able to figure out a way to do it now...
When those Christ-haters who own the media start to tell you that bringing guns and shouting down any discussion on health care is wrong, just tell them you are exercising your First and Second Amendment Rights. Having the God-given right to shouting and waving guns are all you need to know about your rights. . When Sarah Palin takes her proper place as our real president, she will abolish the useless Third through Tenth Amendment to the Constitution and replace them with the Ten Commandments.
are you insane... you can not change the the amendments you idiot and all of america isn't christian so doing what you say would force YOUR views on everyone in this country and that will never happen
The story I hear is...the younger generation is pissed off that they have to work at all and that they have to pay taxes. They want their parents, aunts, uncle, grandma and grandpa dead because they didn't pay enough taxes in their lifetime. There's where the genicide should start is with the ignorant who voted the toy boy into office.
so i guess this is the """CHANGE""" that all the dumb asses that voted were wanting. thank you dumb shits for your contribution of your vote to help destry the nation. from the start obama was compaired to hitler but it didnt matter to you. i guess that you want a socialist society, ""free health care"", the disbandenment of our military, i guess that is what yall want or did you only want someone that wasnt 100% white in the office. i am thinking that that is what yall wanted. you happynow
That so fucked up! Im sorry, this makes me so mad. Whats the point of living if the government wants to kill us when we older.We need to stop this, this is inhuman!!
I feel your pain. Seriously, that is why I posted the number for the Capital Switchboard. 202-224-3121. Stand up and make your voice heard. These Socialists need to be voted out of office. Both parties. What is the point of saying you have rights if you do not vote and tell them what to do. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around. Speak up while you still can. A democratic Germany voted Hitler into power after he promised 'change'. Look what happened there. Speak out. Vote.
@PrettyRaveGirl001 Well if you're so paranoid about the government secretly wanting you to decide to kill yourself due to your painful terminal illness (I assume you have one?) then go right ahead, I guess...
@PrettyRaveGirl001 Jesus Christ are you a retard? The part he is talking about is obama put in the bill saying that if a elderly person decides that they are ready to die and give their and their families express consent and are certified by a psychologist to be mentally sane then they will have the right to ask not to be treated. When asked to this part was taken out. What this bill will do is give you Free Fucking Healthcare. THAT MAKES YOU LIVE LONGER! Dont listen to these guys they know nada
I may be young, but i'm certainly not ignorant. Your sweeping generalities and alienation techniques are blatantly stupid; "Your use of profanity in your fist sentence shows that you have no legitimate counter argument..." Seems to me that you having to call me out on profanity is just evidence of your own lack of a counter argument that isnt absolutely absurd to 90% of the world
My generation will control the world in a few years anyway.
Hmmm... A real ive modern day Nazi. Amazing what has happened to public education in the last 30 years. Clearly the argument is what was said in the video, not by me, but a well known historian who was called to testify AFTER carefully READING what these people have proposed. BTW, your last 2 sentences are almost a direct quote from Adolph Hitler in, 'Mein Kampf'. Sleep well and continue to ignore what's going on. What will you say when it is your turn to be old an feeble and YOU are denied?
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House on August 1, 1776.
hey there, you can try to make your statement seems so professional and that you know what you are talkin about but since you have not read the bill and i know you havent just for the fact that you are saying that this is wrong then you have no clue so you need to wake up. this is in the bill and this is the truth so if you back Obama then i just want to say thank you for helping destroy the nation
HybrasTheUltimate - Your use of profanity in your fist sentence shows that you have no legitimate counter argument and that you are just a useful fool for your fellow travellers. You probably don't even know what that means. You are totally ignorant. You are nothing but a dumb ass youngster who thinks that playing fantasy games and postng them here makes you smart. Your words say nothing.
Not that I really want to jump into this or anything but I feel like I need to point out that Hitler doing something does not show that it is evil, he loved dogs after all. So even if something someone says just happens to be the exact wording of Mein Kempf (which I'm not sure how that's possible seeing that there'd be a translation gap), unless they were directly quoting it themselves it doesn't show that their argument is any less valid (or, as I assume you're trying to say in this case, evil)
ParaPanAR 4 weeks ago
We really should start killing the elderly. We can sell the meat as a tasty salted snack!
physicsbugga 10 months ago
Thank you for exposing Obama for what he is.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
Well young people that want to rule the world, hope you do not live to be old and have your worth determined by some budget from a far off capitol.
lucsajsr 1 year ago
@lucsajsr Thats not what euthanasia is about. Nobody is forced to kill oneself or is killed...it is a choice when there are no useable medical procedures left to use. This is people talking about things they do not understand. Nobody says anything when someone declines medical help, yet there is an outrage when they are helped while suffering? Look up Chantal Sebire and tell me you would deny her...these arent healthy people, theyre terminal with no other choice.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 That is not true. The Nazis performed euthanasia on anyone born with a defect. They even killed blind and deaf people. They also believed they were relieving people of their suffering. But in reality it was murder, just like abortion is murder.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Was i talking about nazis? No. Is America trying to make a socialized medical system like nazi germany? No. Does this system work successfully in Oregon with little to no problems? Yes. The medical field has a saying, "Damnant quad non intellegunt" ...look it up. If you want to talk about forced natural selection in humans, or even euthanasia in general, i'll be here. Lets be honest...you cant truly understand why this is needed until you watch someone waste away.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 Yes, that is exactly what Obama is trying to do. Stop defending him.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine What is your experience on this topic? What makes you the judge on what is right, or ethical? If you honestly want to compare america to nazi germany, i think you need to go back to school. Please tell me what you have against this.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 I believe in God. That is all you need to know. I am not comparing America to Nazi Germany. But I am opposed to Obama's policies and will work to see that he is defeated in the next election.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Even that argument is flawed in this situation. There are 2 huge problems with it. 1. Not everyone believes what you do, and death is not considered bad in other religions or rationales. 2. The first amendment of the constitution, clarified by Jefferson, says there must be a seperation between church and state. This was legal in america before obama, but im sure you knew that? Its almost disturbing that we end an animals suffering but will not do it for another human.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 If what you say is true, what is the big deal made about health care and curing disease? If we all die in the end anyway, why is such a great effort made to prevent it?
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Nobody wants to die when they are healthy, but if your choices are to suffer with an incurable disease or end your life on your own terms by your own choice...it seems like a pretty simple choice. If your religion says early death is abhorrent, dont use it. As i said before though, laws that govern the united states cannot be based on religion. Just becuase one group doesnt believe doesnt mean everyone doesnt.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 You make it sound so simple. Just pop a pill and all your troubles will be over.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine To those who are confident with their decision, it is. Nobody is forced to go through with assisted death, it is a decision made by a family and guided by medical profesionals. To say assisted suicide is anything like nazi germany is sickening. Just becuase assisted death is suggested doesnt mean a patient has to even consider it. People view this as a doctor forcefully killing a patient, and that is just not true. Assisted death is very misunderstood.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 Most people commit suicide because they're depressed. It's the easy way out. Don't idealize suicide, assisted or not assisted. Life is a sacred gift.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, suicide is a side effect of the imbalance (in a sense). Suicide isnt ideal, and the lives effected by assisted death are anything but livable....
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 If you put such a low value on life, why don't you commit suicide today? Why wait until you get sick?
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Who said i put a low value on life? This isnt an option for everybody. The human body is very resilient, but just becuase we can survive doesnt mean that the quality of life we experience is worth living.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 I pray for the day when people like you cease to exist. It will be a better world for everyone.
JimmyFormerMarine 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine What does your bible say about passing judgement upon others? You literally know nothing about me besides that I am a proponet to end the suffering of people who wish to no longer live...how inhumane of me. I hope you never encounter a situation to challenge your beliefs as i have had, and the world will be a better place when people listen to all arguments instead of jumping to conclusions based upon preconcieved notions.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@JimmyFormerMarine Case in point, go search the first name i told you to look up, chantal sebire, is that life worth living after being so accomplished?
sloth0876 1 year ago
@sloth0876 Thank you for bringing a little rationality to this here comment thread.
lkmrn325 1 year ago
@lkmrn325 Actually forgot about this whole thread...made me smile to read it again. Gota love when people speak about things they have no experience with...I'm still waiting for the day i hear an argument that hasnt been completely dismantled...people seem to quit debating me, or change their argument to how i am just an abhorrent person...fun stuff.
sloth0876 1 year ago
@lucsajsr *killed without permission and cause
sloth0876 1 year ago
BEWARE when insurance companies refer your loved one over to either so-called "palliative care" or a contracted hospice. Children, watch your parents' backs...PLEASE!!!! Euthanasia is definitely happening as we "speak," and fast! Particularly with the elderly and senior citizens.
nocalgal1 1 year ago
Good use of public funds! Can I die first?
awarenessis 2 years ago
A PLUS
overshotfilms08 2 years ago
but will they relieve their pain, will they be able to go out on a cloud of victory morphine?
Centain celestrial beings, the aliens that planted life on our planet state that more normal planets have already erased their degenerate stocks, the genetic traits that
predispose most subminded or subphysically deformed individuals. they say we should have done it al long time ago and we should be able to figure out a way to do it now...
hurchel 2 years ago
this is awesome. someone needs to get this to Glenn Beck.
ddsharper 2 years ago
When those Christ-haters who own the media start to tell you that bringing guns and shouting down any discussion on health care is wrong, just tell them you are exercising your First and Second Amendment Rights. Having the God-given right to shouting and waving guns are all you need to know about your rights. . When Sarah Palin takes her proper place as our real president, she will abolish the useless Third through Tenth Amendment to the Constitution and replace them with the Ten Commandments.
1940jan 2 years ago
are you insane... you can not change the the amendments you idiot and all of america isn't christian so doing what you say would force YOUR views on everyone in this country and that will never happen
nojamesmypie 2 years ago 2
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ArtsyFartsyGal 2 years ago
did they disban the counscel?
BeantownJim 2 years ago
OMFG o.O!!!!!!
pickupman1995 2 years ago
This is one of the reasons for ,
The Patriot Movement!
FREEDOM! It's worth fighting for!
Hitler had S.A. & Gestapo & Holocoust!
osamabama has, union Thugs & acorn.
Who knows what else, he'll try, if he gets this?
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
DEO VINDICE!
rebelstang 2 years ago
Turning on your neighbors and playing the blame game does not help.
That is exactly what they want. 2010 and 2012 it will change. Stay Strong and do not give up.....And Pray.....That is the America that I know.
believeanyway 2 years ago 2
Amen!
DEO VINDICE!
rebelstang 2 years ago
Grandma just needs to go die, okay?
nulife022 2 years ago
Read the bill. I did. Tell me the line that says anything about a death panel or board. You guys are liars and Un-American.
Chineyz 2 years ago
The story I hear is...the younger generation is pissed off that they have to work at all and that they have to pay taxes. They want their parents, aunts, uncle, grandma and grandpa dead because they didn't pay enough taxes in their lifetime. There's where the genicide should start is with the ignorant who voted the toy boy into office.
VenusBlue4u 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
propaganda and fear tactics.. how about you read the bill instead of this crap.
first just do a search for 'fact check sarah palin death panel' - fact check already debunked this hogwash..
or instead just listen to republican bull rhetoric..
xnothingbutthetruth 2 years ago
so i guess this is the """CHANGE""" that all the dumb asses that voted were wanting. thank you dumb shits for your contribution of your vote to help destry the nation. from the start obama was compaired to hitler but it didnt matter to you. i guess that you want a socialist society, ""free health care"", the disbandenment of our military, i guess that is what yall want or did you only want someone that wasnt 100% white in the office. i am thinking that that is what yall wanted. you happynow
fishininthesouth 2 years ago 4
That so fucked up! Im sorry, this makes me so mad. Whats the point of living if the government wants to kill us when we older.We need to stop this, this is inhuman!!
PrettyRaveGirl001 2 years ago 3
I feel your pain. Seriously, that is why I posted the number for the Capital Switchboard. 202-224-3121. Stand up and make your voice heard. These Socialists need to be voted out of office. Both parties. What is the point of saying you have rights if you do not vote and tell them what to do. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around. Speak up while you still can. A democratic Germany voted Hitler into power after he promised 'change'. Look what happened there. Speak out. Vote.
bayoublade 2 years ago
@PrettyRaveGirl001 Well if you're so paranoid about the government secretly wanting you to decide to kill yourself due to your painful terminal illness (I assume you have one?) then go right ahead, I guess...
lkmrn325 1 year ago
@PrettyRaveGirl001 Jesus Christ are you a retard? The part he is talking about is obama put in the bill saying that if a elderly person decides that they are ready to die and give their and their families express consent and are certified by a psychologist to be mentally sane then they will have the right to ask not to be treated. When asked to this part was taken out. What this bill will do is give you Free Fucking Healthcare. THAT MAKES YOU LIVE LONGER! Dont listen to these guys they know nada
MrSuperawsomeness 1 year ago
@PrettyRaveGirl001 Can we start with the Supreme Court officials, the House, the Senate and,...the rest of this rotten government.
gitel13 1 day ago
Aww.
stick and stones...
I may be young, but i'm certainly not ignorant. Your sweeping generalities and alienation techniques are blatantly stupid; "Your use of profanity in your fist sentence shows that you have no legitimate counter argument..." Seems to me that you having to call me out on profanity is just evidence of your own lack of a counter argument that isnt absolutely absurd to 90% of the world
My generation will control the world in a few years anyway.
your time's almost up 
tpainfann 2 years ago
Hmmm... A real ive modern day Nazi. Amazing what has happened to public education in the last 30 years. Clearly the argument is what was said in the video, not by me, but a well known historian who was called to testify AFTER carefully READING what these people have proposed. BTW, your last 2 sentences are almost a direct quote from Adolph Hitler in, 'Mein Kampf'. Sleep well and continue to ignore what's going on. What will you say when it is your turn to be old an feeble and YOU are denied?
bayoublade 2 years ago
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lkmrn325 1 year ago
tpainfann - You are a dumb shit and Nazi bastard. Shame on you. This is America. Go move to Germany.
thedarkone1955 2 years ago
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House on August 1, 1776.
bayoublade 2 years ago
Heavens Yes!
DEO VINDICE!
rebelstang 2 years ago
hey there, you can try to make your statement seems so professional and that you know what you are talkin about but since you have not read the bill and i know you havent just for the fact that you are saying that this is wrong then you have no clue so you need to wake up. this is in the bill and this is the truth so if you back Obama then i just want to say thank you for helping destroy the nation
fishininthesouth 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
are you fucking kidding me?
anyone who believes this is clearly not worthy of voicing their opinions in this matter...this is such BS i cant even believe it
HybrasTheUltimate 2 years ago
Actually, Dr. Emmanuel is quoted directly by a congresswoman as he stated the intent of the policy, as you can see in this video:
watch?v=DONc9MLXPos
She's not making up those quotes. It is nothing less than triage as public health policy. ='[.]'=
Raycheetah 2 years ago
HybrasTheUltimate - Your use of profanity in your fist sentence shows that you have no legitimate counter argument and that you are just a useful fool for your fellow travellers. You probably don't even know what that means. You are totally ignorant. You are nothing but a dumb ass youngster who thinks that playing fantasy games and postng them here makes you smart. Your words say nothing.
bayoublade 2 years ago
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lkmrn325 1 year ago