as concerns stats...don't say 100% the truth!for example magic avr more points after 86 not because he became better but cause kareem was old and could n't be so dominant anymore so magic should take more off efforts!magic in 1980 was 3rd scorer not because could n't score 40 but he had jabbar,wilkes..to score so he was more all-around but in g6,when kareem injured,he scored 42 and led to champ!mj had his best stats in 80's cause he took more off efforts since didn't have so great temates as 90s
@FavreianVengeance "Stat whore Moses Malone needs a rebound so he battles with his teammate and ends up giving two points to Bird."...Moses wasnt a stat whore you dumb bitch.
A wounded Kevin Mchale,A hobbled Bird,A hobbled Walton lmao!How about a Slow Dave Corzine a soft Brad Sellers and overrated Orlando Woolridge.Take Birds dick out of your mouth.You probably think hes the reason why your dad nutted in your mom as well.
people forget bird fucked jordan for 10 years before league got lame n detroit took over they ended the no call whre u can play D nba died with rise fo jordan
Anyone who thinks Kobe Bryant is better than Bird knows nothing about basketball...Bird did ALL things well on the floor...There isn't one solitary stat on the board that larry didn't do better than the best that the 21st century has to offer.
Between Moses Malones's goofy goggles, Muggsy Bogues's midgetry, and Manute Bol's general cartoonish-ness, the Bullets made for some great entertainment
king fouled bird intentional towards the end but that is a no win situation cause bird aint gonna miss free throws. bird was the best all around baller . and look at all these shots. all from the perimeter. amazing he shot 50% from the field in his career taking perimeter shots most of the time.
Not only did he have quick hands and the strength to hold on to rebounds, he had the best court vision and the quickest mind in basketball. We will never see another player with his superb skill set. His long range shooting, ambidexterity, desire to win, dive for loose balls, block shots, run the floor and insane passes made him the best ever.
That layup over Bol was pretty impressive, too! Watch the bench reaction. That's not easy to get to the hoop with a 7'7" freak waiting there to block your shot! That's Bird, though....master of the angles.
Dude, it could be the damn Topeka, Kansas AAU All-Stars for it matters, that was an impressive shot. It doesn't matter how bad the team is, that's not even the point. I'm talking about that one shot.
One time ML Carr said 90-91 was Birds best season ever and if you think about it he may be onto something. Remember Bird played his last 5 years with crippling injuries that made him about 3/4 the player he was his first 7 years and he was still in 88 he was an MVP cindidate and in the other 3/4 years he was years he was an all star quality player.
What drove this guy im a huge Jordan fan I think hes the better player but Bird and Magic just had somthing special within them.They are my top 3 players of all time.
@RohoicRamz94 You know that point really hit home b/c you used all caps. It made me really zero in. How about you stop being a fucking apologist. You don't lose 14 times in a row to someone and call yourself the greatest of all-time. That's not how it works. Watch the post game interview in 88 when Jordan finally won a playoff series against Cleveland. Jordan was shitting his pants b/c he was such a loser before that. Jordan came into the league and had 3 losing seasons. Bird won year 2. BITCH
@RohoicRamz94 You're going to blame 14 losses in a row to anybody on teammates? How about you start making sense? But let me give you some supplementary knowledge. We hear about how great MJ's offense is. The Bulls averaged more points per game 2 years before he got there than at any point during his career. We hear about how great MJ's defense was. The Bulls defensive ppg was 4 points better after he walked away in 93.
@FavreianVengeance you guys kill me trying to prove how overrated Jordan was by saying his team was just as good without him as with him.The Bulls 55 win season without Jordan was overrated and trust me the Bulls before Jordan were going nowhere fast.Birds Celtics never faced Jordans Bulls in the playoffs with Pippen Grant Paxson as full time starters and the addition of Bill Cartwright..Add in Phil and Tex and thats a totally different team.
@FavreianVengeance Why would I not blame Jordan for losses.I blame Kobe for losses I blamed Magic for loses.They are the team leaders.But in order to beat elite teams you have to have more than Woolridge,Oakely and Sellers.Therefore Magic would recieve more of the blame for losing to Bird because he had the right pieces to win Jordan didnt you dumb fuck!
@RohoicRamz94 The argument that MJ needed better players to win a championship is valid. But that is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that MJ should not have been on ANY team that lost to Bird 14 times in a row and got swept from the playoffs twice if you want to claim he is GOAT. And for the record, Bird would have won 50 plus with that talent. MJ never even had a winning season with that talent.
@FavreianVengeance Jordan never lost to Bird 14 times in a row.The Bulls were 2-4 during the 84-85 regular season vs the Celtics.The 85-86 Bulls didnt have Jordan for the season and the Bulls went 1-5 vs the Celtics.The 86-87 Bulls were even weaker(0-6 vs Boston during regular season) than the previous 2 teams trying to beat a dynasty team with a team who didnt have the right pieces.87-88 Bulls start adding the right peices..they go 3-3 vs Boston that season.I wonder why?
@FavreianVengeance Birds Celtics never faced the Bulls 91 roster in the playoffs.The Celtics were beating a trash team with a superstar gaurd.Bird fans love brag about beating a weak team.They even brag about Bird winning 3 rings with one of them coming a against a below .500 team.
@FavreianVengeance "The argument that MJ needed better players to win a championship is valid. But that is not what I'm arguing"..Thats the whole argument!
@FavreianVengeance He didnt own the 91 Bulls he owned the Jordan Woolridge Bulls and Woolridge was no more than a decent sixth man on a great team ala his time with the Lakers he was the Bulls second best player but on the Lakers he was like 8th best.
@RohoicRamz94 Actually a crippled Bird competed fine with the 91 Bulls. A prime Bird OWNED a prime Jordan. And I already shared stats with you in ways the Bulls were better before and after he departed, but you conveniently want to just pretend I didn't say anything.
@FavreianVengeance Okay the Bulls were better without Jordan.They were so good that they have zero titles without..count them zero.You have to be the biggest idiot on youtube.You would make a horrible Gm.
@RohoicRamz94 I wouldn't say the Bulls were better w/o Jordan but there's actually a legitimate case to be made. That just shows how you fucking overlook shit b/c you want to believe your hero is GOAT. There's plenty of players that were better than Jordan.
@FavreianVengeance You dumb fuck theres no case to be made at all.You sound as dumb as the guy who said he was happy the Rockets took Hakeem over Jordan.Are you fuckers that stupid?And now there are plenty of players better than Jordan?6 rings 6 finals MVPs..Bird 2 legit rings 2 finals MVPs.Cedric Maxwell was better than Bird in his first finals win and that was vs the trash Rockets lmao!Are you serious lmao!
@RohoicRamz94 You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Only an idiot that didn't know real shit about the 81 Finals would be talking about Cedric Maxwell getting the MVP in the 81 Finals. Bird owned the defense and ran the offense. They just gave the award to CM b/c he cleaned up on 59 percent FG on putbacks. If you actually watched the fucking 81 Finals instead of running your mouth on face value Jordan jocking nonsense you'd know what's what DUMBFUCK.
@RohoicRamz94 Bitd was never had a season under 50 wins. Jordan w/o Pippen had 5 losing seasons and zero winning seasons. Bird beat Jordan 14x in a row and swept him twice, finishing him off in Chicago coming back from 11 down in Chicago w/o McHale. Stop making excuses.
@FavreianVengeance Bird aint win shit when Jordan got on top.That bitch was hurt and frail.He had more talent to work with than Jordan could imagine and yet he only made out with 2 legit rings and one vs a sub 500 team.Birds overrated.Jordan killed him numbers wise.He dropped 63 in Birds own arena and if it wasnt for Birds superior talent MJ would have sent Bird packing and thats with a trash team.Jordan retired twice and still has more hardware than Birds overrated ass.
@RohoicRamz94 "That bitch" was still beating Jordan even after two torn acls and a degenerative back condition. Bird was 26-5 in 91 when he and McHale played together. You're just lucky "that bitch" was hurt or even an old Celtics team would've beat the weak ass Bulls. And you dumbfuck - Len Bias died and Bird still got 3 rings. Let's count how many rings Jordan would have had if Pippen died before they got started. UM ZERO. JUST SHUT YOUR FUCKING STUPID ASS UP NOW.
@FavreianVengeance Of course he wouldnt win zero rings without a legitimate title contender thats how it works fuckface.Name a player that took a trash team and won it all?You cant but I can name a player who won a title vs a trash team..Larry fuckin Bird.And im glad you mentioned Len Bias.That was just more talent the Celtics were getting to keep the dynasty going.Bird was the great white hope with superior talent.He was overrated.Imagine the Bulls getting Len Bias..ballgame Birdy boy.
@RohoicRamz94 No finals team is a trash team, but there have been players that won finals with a lot less than Pippen (a top 20 player IMO and better than Jordan). Bird won 3 rings w/o even playing with one athletic player. The closest athlete Bird won with was Tiny Archibald, past his prime and under 6 feet tall. That's how good he was. And take that great white hope shit and shove it up your ass nigger.
@RohoicRamz94 Yea way to argue a seemingly insignificant point but actually make my point. So if a 40-42 team could make it to a finals, what was MJ's fucking excuse for not being able to beat Bird in one playoff game. Good job on that one dumbass.
@FavreianVengeance Its simple the Rockets had Moses on the frontline.And where was Bostons biggest strength?The frontline.Go ahead and compare Dave Corzine to Moses Malone who along with Dr.J led the Sixers to a sweep of the Lakers in their primes.If Moses had Dr.J and Ralph Sampson they would have swept Boston too.Give Jordan Malone in 86 and they beat Boston too.
@RohoicRamz94 So what you're saying Moses Malone is better than Jordan. That's cool. I would say that too. That's why Moses Malone makes 16 on my list and Jordan is 21. And Moses did have Dr. J and maybe not Sampson but 4 or 5 other all-star talents and they sure as hell weren't sweeping the Celts you ignorant piece of shit. But you hit a point. The early 80's Lakers, Celts, Sixers would all wipe the floor with the weak-ass expansion era Bulls teams. So take those 6 rings and shove em up ur ass.
@FavreianVengeance Moses had Dr.J on the Sixers not the rockets you dumb fuck.But then again you think Horace Grant is better than Kevin Mchale.And those teams from the 80s were stacked.A bunch of all stars and hall of famers clamoured together to ensure certain teams would always have a shot at the title because the league was on the decline.No different that whats happened in todays NBA.Expansion is a bullshit excuse for Lakers,Celtic fans.
@RohoicRamz94 "And Moses did have Dr. J and maybe not Sampson but 4 or 5 other all-star talents and they sure as hell weren't sweeping the Celts" - Don't call me a dum fuck you fucking dumb fuck. I was talking about the fucking Sixers you fucking piece of shit. Now shut the fuck up.
@FavreianVengeance "without mchale".He still had two hall of famers left in Parrish and Johnson you idiot Jordan had none.Youre great white hope is a great white hype.
@RohoicRamz94 Don't give me that hall of fame hogwash. Kerr was a 55 percent 3 point shooter at one point. Horace Grant did much of what McHale did. Pippen was a great athlete. A guy like BJ Armstrong was comparable to DJ. Kukoc was freaking awesome. Rodam was a HOFer btw making it 3 HOFers anyhow. The Bulls had plenty of right people at the right time. Don't try to whittle it down to HOFer counting b/c you want to make excuses for Jordan getting owned.
@FavreianVengeance LMAO look at your stupid comparisons.Grant was no Mchale you dumbass..BJ Armstrong was no Dennis Johnson he was 5 time all star and finals MVP.Im convinced youre a dickhead.
@RohoicRamz94 Maybe not over the coarse of their careers. But BJ was a freaking all-star after Jordan left. He played at an all-star level during the championship runs. That's what counts. And Horace Grant did provide what was needed in the interior for the 3 runs and he was good enough to knock Jordan's ass out in 95. I don't care if he is in the HOF or as good as McHale. My point is you are making lame excuses and comparisons to cover up that Jordan was not so great.
@FavreianVengeance Youre making my point for me you walking handjob.The 85 through 89 Bulls didnt have the right piece to compete for a title.They needed a better coach they got one.They needed better big men they got them.The result is a dynasty.bird had the right pieces and the right coach.The result a dynasty..My god your stupid.
@RohoicRamz94 LMAO - I'm not even talking about the 85-89 Bulls being good enough to compete for a title for starters. I'm talking about winning ONE fucking game. But Bird just swept Jordan's ass bitch. And the 89 Bulls (with Bird out) were good enough ass clown. They fucking choked up 2-1 in the ECF at home. Jordan couldn't even get his team to score 100 in one game that series. And don't blame it on the fucking coach either. That's just fucking stupid. And Bird ain't my god cunt.
@FavreianVengeance Bird didnt sweep shit.His stacked team beat a weak team over and over again.Look at the numbers of Jordan vs Bird in head to head matchups.Jordan gave that bitch the work.
@RohoicRamz94 Yea? The 87 Celts were so depleted in Gm 3 in Chicago that they used a 7 man rotation that include Fred freaking Roberts at the starting PF and a hobbled Bill Walton that played in 10 gms that year. There was no McHale. And in that gm, Bird completed a comeback with 15 4th Q pts and Jordan oh he missed every 4th Q FGA to choke away an 11 point lead at home and get swept for the 2nd year in a row. Any more ignorant shit you want to say? More teammate fallacies maybe?
@FavreianVengeance No Mchale in game 3 and Bird still had better talent around him then Jordan..What a fuckin shame and that bitch could only get 3 rings out of it and one vs a below 500 team?
@RohoicRamz94 Dude. It was a rhetorical fucking question. When I said do you have something else fuckign stupid to say. Bird got three rings competing against dynasties and even when the C's best prospect fucking died. Again, Jordan did shit against dynasty talent and he gets zero rings if Pippen dies. Just shut the fuck up you ignorant piece of garbage.
@RohoicRamz94 Bird would have taken that team and won 50 easy. He took a losing team and turned em into a 60 win team. Jordan took a losing team and well they were still just losers. Bird made mediocre players into winners. That's what he did in college. Clearly, Jordan was not great and he could not do that. Yea. You got a LMAO for that hearty dose of reality? I don't think so. Go away jordan jocking troll.
@FavreianVengeance "Bird made mediocre players into winners"Wow so Dennis Johnson,Kevin Mchale and Robert Parrish are just mediocre players?Your mother should have swollowed your stupid ass with a spoon.Bird wouldnt have won 50 games with that talent.Thats more wishful thinking.Bird is your Michael Landon your angel in short shorts.But the truth is hes just an overrated white boy..french lick trash.
@FavreianVengeance Bird had 7 teammates in double figures in his rookie year.That bitch aint turn shit around.He was lucky to be playing for Red Auerbach was always looking to stack his teams up.
@RohoicRamz94 "Bird had 7 teammates in double figures in his rookie year.That bitch aint turn shit around. He was lucky to be playing for Red Auerbach was always looking to stack his teams up." Hmmm of course the year before their were 8 Celtics in double figures and they won 29 games. Bird comes, same amount of people in double figures and the Celts win 60. Geez you're a fucking idiot. And RA called Bird the man from the start. It had nothing to do with stacking.
@RohoicRamz94 There's really no point in arguing. If a guy A. beats a guy 14x times in row amd B. Finishes off that guy with 15 4th Q pts to the other guys 0 and you can blame all of that on teammates then who really cares. There's nothing more Bird could've done to own MJ. But you go ahead and enjoy your Jordan jocking fantasies.
@FavreianVengeance If you dont factor in supporting cast then youre rght theres no point in debating.You dont know how to judge talent.plain and simple.Wins and losses are a team accomplishent.Bird is your god.Hes that fake white Jesus hanging on your mommas wall.
@RohoicRamz94 You keep pretending its about race but I'd have no problem if you were arguing Russell or Robertson as GOAT. Oh? Yea. Aren't you the fucking race troll. And supporting cast does factor. But when you argue 14 losses in a row and two playoff sweeps on supporting cast that just makes you a laughing stock, not a legitimate debater.
@FavreianVengeance Heres the comment you removed.I asked when did they lose 14 in a row you said.."1985 through I believe 1987 (maybe it was 1988). You can check it all on bb reference."..
Youve been talking shit this whole time and you didnt do the research for yourself?Did you factor in Jordan missing the 86 season?You didnt did you Larry loving jizz juggler.
@RohoicRamz94 You dont factor in talent and you dont even factor in whether or not a guy actually played in the games in which youre referring to.What a fuckin waste of time.
@RohoicRamz94 I didn't remove it b/c I was lying. I removed it, copied and pasted and added to it. Go ahead and verify those 14 wins in a row and then tell me how my ass tastes bitch.
@FavreianVengeance Youre verify them for me genius.Dont forget to factor in the games in which Jordan didnt play as well because we all know those losses were his fault as well.Basketball Jesus will save you my child.
@RohoicRamz94 Bitch. Do you not know the definition of verify? I already fucking verified it. I fucking explained to you step by step how I fucking did it too. You either verify it or take my word for it. I don't give a fuck b/c I know the truth. I already done looked at how Bird beat Jordan 14x in a row. And you know the fucking funny thing - I bet you already have to and you're just not even going to bother to mention that you saw your hero aint GOAT after all. PATHETIC.
@FavreianVengeance Also im not pissed because the Celtics beat the Bulls 13 or 14 times in a row.I just want to make sure Jordan played in those games.If were discussing the two players shouldnt we use the games in which they actually played?Common sense shitkicker!
@RohoicRamz94 Don't try to degenerate this into mindless name calling. First you tried to avoid the idea that your hero MJ lost 14x in a row to GOAT Bird. Then you tried to blame it on his teammates. Then when you thought I pulled something, you were saying to yourself 'I knew my hero couldn't have lost 14x in a row' and you tried to call me out for lying .Now verify that shit like a man and then tell me how my ass tastes bitch. Or rather how Bird's ass tastes cunt.
@FavreianVengeance You cant do it can you?Look at my last comment.You replied 2 hours after me.You didnt have the info ready and youre too fuckin fat and lazy to provide the info.All good debators provide info to back up thier claim.I said Jordans teammates were not as good as Birds.Which is verified by the number of HOFS and All star games they were selected to by fans and coaches.You may be able to verifiy the 14 losses but I can also verify the talent gap between the 2 teams..loser!
@FavreianVengeance Bird having Mchale and Parrish is like Jordan having Hakeem and Moses Malone.You guys love to bring up Pippen..Pippen this Pippen that.Grant was decent..but he was no Kareem Abdul Jabbar.And you say dont blame the coaches?How about Stan Albeck?Im guessing his whole strategy was..Give it to MJ let him win it.He tried the same shit with George Gervin..Stan loved high scoring gaurds and forwards but playing Boston you needed team balance but in order to do that you need a team.
You called Bostons 86 lineup the best lineup ever.Its on youtube so based on your logic.. PG-Sam Vincent SG-Michael Jordan SF-Orlando Woolridge PF-Charles Oakely C-Dave Corzine...Minus a bench stands a chance vs PG-Johnson SG-Ainge SF-Bird PF-Mchale C-Parrish...Plus a solid bench..Geesh no wonder why Bird,Magic,Isaiah call Jordan the greatest.You needed a fuckin brigade to beat that kid even as a rookie.
@RohoicRamz94 i agree that magic and bird had better teamates than mj in the champion's he won BUT lakers and celtics face each other plus 76ers until middle 80's....those 3 teams are 3 of the official top 10 teams ever in NBA history!bulls face very good but not so great teams in those 6 champs!so,yes mj did n't have so great teamates but had less competition than bird and magic!i could admit mj if his 90's bulls ever face and win prime lakers,celtics or even 76ers(i agree that mj is the best)
@AdreasTheGreat Your making complete sense. I've told this guy such points on many occasions. But just so you know, he's a certified Jordan jocker. He doesn't care about reality.
@FavreianVengeance Lmao you were so happy someone intervened that you agreed MJ is the best read the last line of his comment..(i agree MJ is best)You..needing any supprt you can get tells him.."Your making complete sense"when really hes making both our points for us..Lmao fuckin lame.
@FavreianVengeance Magic yesterday morning"MJ is best and Russell is the best winner..So im guessing that leaves 3rd place tie for Magic and Bird...Exaclty how I have them ranked 1-2-3 Jordan,Magic,Bird!Jordan Bird,Magic..etc!
@FavreianVengeance He said the same thing I said..You called mine idiotic but you fully agree with his?You fuckin dumbass its onwership at its finest..Bill Fitch is rollin over in his grave Lmao!
@RohoicRamz94 Why are you still talking? You're too chicken to even stake the GOAT on who beat who FOURTEEN TIMES IN A ROW. You're a coward and you're out of lame arguments.
@AdreasTheGreat Have you ever seen MJ play with the talent Bird/Magic played with?No..He won 6 vs evenly matched comp..Its not like the Bulls were stacked like a 80s team playing in the 90s.You agree Jordan is best so you should also agree that Magic/bird getting old or injured had nothing to do with MJ finally winning rings it was just a personnel upgrade and a concept change.90s Bulls team do better than you think vs 80s teams.
@RohoicRamz94 man,i said that mj did n't have so great temates as bird-magic but had less competition!for example mj had pippen and won drexler's blazers who had no great teamate with him!he also won barkley's suns+k.johnson who was very good but not in the same level as scottie!then sheatle payton-kemp and only jazz had 2 HOF(malone-stockton) and bulls had 3(mj,pippen,rodman)!80's bulls didn't even make conference finals until pippen join him!they defeated by boston(thats ok),bucks and detroit!
@AdreasTheGreat I dont give a fuck if you agree with me or not you dumb fuck.Your making less sense by the comment youre so afraid that your youtube friends will disagree with you lol!
@RohoicRamz94 yes,u are right cause all my friend are in youtube and i know them since kids...u are completely out of mind and it was mistake to agrue with you....your only argument is the world"fuck"...strong argument and very easy for you when the other is thousand miles away!youtube is to watch and to say your opinion,not real life...i hope u'll realise it!basketball is for fun and those players were great...
@AdreasTheGreat "His only argument" - Get the fuck out of here. He explained shit how it is. Don't throw out your moronic come ons. You did the same shit to me with "I just said the same thing" and nobody knows wtf you're even talking about. Seventh grade is over ass clown. Apparently not for you. That's why you have a fake wrestler for your avatar LMFAO _ DICKWEED.
@RohoicRamz94 Wait. The 80s are over-rated and all Jordan did was get owned in the 80s? LMAO. You're so f'ing stupid that you accidentally argue against your own Jordan juice jugging ass.
@FavreianVengeance LMAO more bait for the fishes...That comment was outlandish and meant to draw this type of reaction from you.Youre so fuckin stupid youre mother shouldve swallowed you.
@RohoicRamz94 Stop polluting the Bird comments with your psycho babble. Matter of fact if you come at me when anything that lame again, just don't bother expecting a response. Mindless Jordan jockers. They're like zombies.
@RohoicRamz94 Why would I care what corporate stooge or moronic Jordan jocker say Jordan is better than Bird? I don't care about the legions of mindless fools.
@AdreasTheGreat Your right. This guy drinks Jordan's juice though. Look at who Jordan beat - All of the 80s B Stars and while Stern intentionally threw games and watered down the league. And he had to ride Pippen's back b/c he couldn't win w/o him. Also the 96 Sonics woudn't have even made a conference finals in the 80s.
@AdreasTheGreat any hall of famer theory does not work at all. for starters, the sixers had 1 hall of famer on their team in 1980,81 and 82, and they were 2-1 aganist the celtics. 1981-bird beat a sub .500 team with noone but moses malone. 1 hall of famer. 86 rockets,the same. 1 hall of famer in hakeem olajuwon...compared to 3+ on the celtics. all of jordans finals opponents were better than the trash bird beat in 1981.
@netcap001 first of all i agree about HOF,for example bird had archibals(hofamer)in early 80's but was n't in his prime anymore!the 82 rockets had 2 hof,moses and murphy 17p and reid 16p and don't forget that defeat champ.lakers!bird had parish 19p and maxwell 15p....so both almost had the same help.the 86 rockets also defeat champ.lakers!they had hakeem,sampson was great before his injuries,lloys 17p.lucas 15.5p 9as,so it was a very good team!i don't think hakeem had better teamates in 94 champ
@AdreasTheGreat lucas was suspended in 1986,he didnt play in the finals(along with three other players). bird didnt face the 1982. the rockets beat the lakers in 1981?for starters, a three game series is hardly anthing to write home about. plus,magic johnson was injured. and you are bringing up the ppg numbers?thank you for clarifying one thing: the celtics were better than the lakers in 1984,considering they had more 11+ ppg scorers. lol
@netcap001 ok,your opinion is that celtics face worst teams than bulls in 90's?celtics play against 2 of the best offficial teams ever(80's lakers and 80's 76ers)...this is a fact.bulls is the only team from 90s that is in top10 teams ever!as concern 1986 houston defeat lakers and their roster was better than 94 champ.team.u are right about lucas but still was better team!
sampson(all-star) was much better than thorpe....reid,lloyd and mccray were better than horry,maxwell and smith to!
@AdreasTheGreat sampson was injured, he put up 14 ppg on %43. three rockets players were suspended in 1986 including john lucas. if those rockets were so great,they wouldnt have been sub. 500 in 1981 and merely a 51 win team in 1986.
you used the number of hall of famers as a measuring stick to judge a teams quality. by your logic,those early 80s sixer teams were no better than jordans opponents. you cant have it both ways.
@netcap001 what are u talikng about?the only player did n't play in playoffs was lucas!hakeem,sampson,lloyd,reid,mcray,wiggins,petersen,leavell,harris,ehlo....this was the same team defeat lakers 4-1 with all their stars in...as concerns nba record does n't mean many...for example 1995 houston had 47-35!76ers was a great team and drj was something like mj of 70's-early 80's....he led 76ers to finals but lost by lakers cause theay had more great players!
@AdreasTheGreat I'm telling you. Netcap chugs 4J (Jug of Jordan Jocking Juice) daily. He doesn't get how good the 86 Rockets are b/c he sees what he wants to see. But the 86 Rockets would have wiped the floor with any Bulls team.
@FavreianVengeance the legendary "twin towers" lost to two sub. 500 teams. sampson was injured,their starting point guard was suspended. yet im supposed to believe that rockets team was great. again,you make an arguement based on nothing more than your man crush on bird and bloated hot air. but those excuses only count for your god and the celtics..lmao
@netcap001 WTF are you talking about? Sampson wasn't injured. And Murphy dealt with injuries during the series. The 86 Rockets beat the Showtime Lakers 4 out of 5 and 2 of 3 in LA. What more do you want? And I didn't call the 86 Rockets great, mererely that they were better than any Bulls team. Don't call that 'great' P-Brain.
@FavreianVengeance lol. what a cop out answer. im supposed to take a bird homer's word over what the announcers said during the 3rd quarter in game 6 of the finals. thank you for clearing that up. wow,your words really hold a lot of weight. oh btw,another blatant lie:pippens rookie year was 1988. either you are deliberately lying or you have a single digit IQ.
@AdreasTheGreat three rockets players were suspended for drug abuse. houstons record in 1995 does not matter,considering drexler played a grand total of 35 games. the records matter. if those rockets were so great,they would have done a bit better than 51 wins. i would understand if they had gone 51-31 in the eastern conference. did i mention that jordan won 50 in '88 with rookie scottie pippen and grant?sampson played like trash in the finals except game 3.
@netcap001 name me those rocktes cause i remember their roster in those finals and only lucas did n't play but not only in finals but in playoffs and defeat lakers 4-1 with all their stars playing!this means was a very good team and this is a fact!95 houston had 30-17 before drexler trade for thorpe and after that they had 17-18!but in playoffs,that counts,dominate and won the champ!many times teams with not great record won the champ...1993 bulls won knicks and suns who had better record to!
@AdreasTheGreat Yea Murphy did not play. Lucas I don't know that he mattered. The Rockets had depth. That really did not matter much. If Olajuwon or Sampson didn't play that'd be much more noteworthy. The main thing ins they had McCray who shot a blistering .588 and pressed Bird on D and Reid who guarded Bird well. Those would've been bigger losses. The C's came within a hair of sweeping the 86 Rockets, a team that crushed the Showtime Lakers. Netcap is just looking for excuses.
@FavreianVengeance lol its mind boggling how you are grasping in vain trying to prop up your god. no excuses,just a fact that the best team larry beat in the finals had a 54-28 record,and it took him seven games. once again,that "depth" in their roster earned them a 51-31 record. hmm. here is what the rockets did the year before and after:the legendary rockets lose to two sub. 500 teams!
@netcap001 You cherrypicking idiot. Sampson was injured in 87. Who cares who they lost to. And the 54 win Rockets romped the Showtime Lakers (a team that many consider the best of all-time). Stop coming up with your idiotic arguments. The 86 Rockets would have won a championship in most years and the C's almost swept them. They were better than the Bulls and possibly better than any team the Bulls played.
@FavreianVengeance again,you just posted another blatant lie and you are saying im cherrypicking lmao. the fact that you regularly post misinformation makes you look rather pathetic. the rockets had 51 wins,not 54.
you said a 60 win team wouldnt get swept for no reason. funny how that same thing applies to the lakers in 1986,considering losing in 5 isnt that much of a difference. the excuses only apply to your hero and the celtics though. typical.
@FavreianVengeance hilarious how you talked about how there was something obviously wrong with the celtics in 1983. the 47 win nuggets won 2 games vs the 86 rockets,so there must have been something wrong with the lakers that year. just because a team matched up well with another team does not mean they were so great. dummy.
yeah thats right,nobody should give a damn about losing to 41 and 39 win teams.
lol@ the excuse for sampson in 1987 playoffs. 18.6 ppg on .514%.
@netcap001 The Celts won 3 of 6 in the reg season vs. the Bucks and they were 5 gms better than them. It was a down season at 56 wins. But the other seasons 1980 - 60 wins, 1981 - 61 wins 1982 - 63 wins 1984 - 62 wins 1985 - 63 wins 1986 - 67 wins.......Reports were Bird had a 104 fever at the outset of the 84 Semis. That'd explain why a perennial power was swept by a formidable but not especially wonderful team. If you want to put your head in the sand like an ostrich go ahead.
@netcap001 Sampson miss half the 87 season. Funny considering you always whine about Jordan missing time and using that as an excuse for why MJ was swept by the Celts__ Sampson was at 21.2 and 16.6 rebs in the 85 p/o's by 87 p/o's his injuries had him down to 18.2 and 8.8 rebs and it'd be his last significant post season. The Sampson scenario is well chronicled and you know the deal as a basketball fan.
@FavreianVengeance Bulls were a lottery team who squeaked into the playoffs in 86 Celtics were a 60 win team on a roll..You think the Bulls should have made it a series?You dont know shit about basketball.
@FavreianVengeance you compare sampson in 1985 to what he did in 1987 instead of looking into 1986,and you are saying im a cherry picker lol. sampsons numbers in 1985 earned him an elimination by a .500 team.
i wouldnt bring up jordan missing 64 games if you hadnt made an excuse-larry had a temperature,wahh- while still penalizing jordan for his teams being under .500 and ignoring jordans broken foot in 86 or torn knee cartilage as a wizard.
@netcap001 Let's just get back to your conclusion. You want to claim the 86 Rockets were not good when they beat a full strength Showtime Lakers 4-1 and 2 of 3 in LA. You're retarded.
@FavreianVengeance fail. just like you made an excuse for bird and his team getting swept by the bucks in 1983.
basically your logic comes down to this:celtics beat one of the worst lakers teams in 1984. 83=58 wins. LA after 1984:62,62,65,62 wins. celtics beat the worst laker team. any objections?
@netcap001 You're going to say I failed while downgrading the C's defeat of the 84 Lakers? LMAO. Dude the 84 Lakers would have swept every Bulls team and done it while winning every game in double digits.
@FavreianVengeance no,you made an excuse for larry because the celtics won 56 in 1983,that automatically means that the celtics beat the worst laker team.
larry is a career loser vs johnson and his teams anyway. if you think the 84 lakers would sweep every bulls team,fine. i won't take that seriously,because you are unable to pry your lips off larry's dick to see anything. the lakers couldn't even sweep a .500 team in 1984. you are nuts,consider this a jest.
@FavreianVengeance jordan was 38-39,and had surgery. here is some perspective-magic johnson missed 45 games in 1981 with that same injury.
that isn't the point though. when larry has a temperature,you cry like a bitch. jordan had a surgery and missed 20+ games(at age 38),and you overlook it. do yourself a favor fucktard-get larry's balls out of your mouth.
@netcap001 if erving had more help maybe could defeat lakers in 1980....dawkins play well in those finals(20p) and cheeks had 15p.7as!in 1982 finals drj had much more help...toney(if no injuries would br HOF)was great avr 26p.8as. and cheeks had 15p.9as.but after 1983 erving had moses,toney,cheeks and great role players like b.jones,richardson,johnson...and dominate lakers!can u tell me one team so great in 90's excpet bulls!i don't think so my friend!
@AdreasTheGreat we've established the point that the number of hall of famers is not a gauge for the quality of teams. oh and for the record, comparing the ppg numbers in the 90s to the 80s does not make sense,considering teams scored much more in the 80s.
sampson put up a pathetic 14 ppg on %43 in the 86 finals. if anything,you should admit that the 81 rockets were not good at all-even your stats arguement proves that.
@netcap001 your friend said that bird had better teamates than mj...HOF in a team is a fact but it's important in what shape they are!for example bird in his rookie year had maravich,archibald and cowens but all of them weren't in their prime,actually 2nd best player was maxwell!the same for mchale was n't hof in his 3 first years and so go on...sampson was great with lakers,if he had bad series is another thing!u didn't answer me wich team was as great as 80'sboston,la,76ers face mj in 90's?
@AdreasTheGreat Those 80s teams werent great they were fuckin stacked big difference.If your team is stacked your expected to win if your team is great they overcome missing parts and have great runs to get them into title contention.Lakers/Celtics/76ers stayed in the finals because of depth of team not because of Larry,Doc and Bird.
@AdreasTheGreat Wanna compare 80s teams to 90s teams then you would have to add a sixth man of the year 3 good role players and 2 great players in each starting lineup..example..96 Sonics as a 80s team would look like this. Payton Richmond Schrempf Kemp Ewing(prime) McMillan Barros Perkins Erv.Johnson E.Johsnon. Ricky Pierce Derrick Mckey
@RohoicRamz94 what are u talking about man?my question was so simple and you said so many but didn't answer me!first u say that bird -magic weren't so great but had great teamates thats why defeat mj!then u say that wasn't great teams....i don't care if wre stacked or not(chemistry makes teams great) but those teams were much better than all 90's teams mj face!this is a fact u can's deny!lakers made ginals in 1991 without kareem,magic had damaged knees and was slower,no prime scott,no cooper..
@AdreasTheGreat please gtfo with that "johnson had damaged knees" excuse. his numbers match up very well(both the regular season and the playoffs) to couple of his years in the 80s. you gave none for jordan having a pulled groin vs the pistons,or pippen going out with a concussion in an elimination game. plus,the migrane and jordans injury in 1990. hmm.
@RohoicRamz94 i can't get your point....u say 96 sheatle will look like this...instead of hawkins-richmond,instead of perkins-ewing?if they had those 2 possible would defeat bulls!who told u that 80's teams didn't have good bench?lakers had players like mcadoo,cooper,wilkes,mcgee coming from the bench and could easily score 15-20p!90's bulls had better bench?!there is a video during 96 finals that magic,bird,drj say their teams would win 96 bulls,watch it if u want!
Larry bird. Ugly as a bird, but one of the best.
toadman842 1 month ago
as concerns stats...don't say 100% the truth!for example magic avr more points after 86 not because he became better but cause kareem was old and could n't be so dominant anymore so magic should take more off efforts!magic in 1980 was 3rd scorer not because could n't score 40 but he had jabbar,wilkes..to score so he was more all-around but in g6,when kareem injured,he scored 42 and led to champ!mj had his best stats in 80's cause he took more off efforts since didn't have so great temates as 90s
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
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RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
Jordan crushed Magic in the finals lls!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
0:15 - That's sad - Stat whore Moses Malone needs a rebound so he battles with his teammate and ends up giving two points to Bird.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
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@FavreianVengeance "Stat whore Moses Malone needs a rebound so he battles with his teammate and ends up giving two points to Bird."...Moses wasnt a stat whore you dumb bitch.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
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Bird had 32 in the first half. But he didn't have MJ's complex and have to get 60. He had nothing to prove. He knew he was the best.
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FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
A wounded Kevin Mchale,A hobbled Bird,A hobbled Walton lmao!How about a Slow Dave Corzine a soft Brad Sellers and overrated Orlando Woolridge.Take Birds dick out of your mouth.You probably think hes the reason why your dad nutted in your mom as well.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
Just keep clicking 4:05 forever....
elkhornstudio 5 months ago
bernard king getn schooled
bootiack 6 months ago
people forget bird fucked jordan for 10 years before league got lame n detroit took over they ended the no call whre u can play D nba died with rise fo jordan
bootiack 6 months ago
bird is so far above kobe is not even a joke
bootiack 6 months ago
@bootiack Kobe is all for Kobe. Bird was all for the Boston Celtics.
DeedsResearcher 5 months ago
this is what u can do when you have shooting mastery, shots like layups
bootiack 6 months ago
Anyone who thinks Kobe Bryant is better than Bird knows nothing about basketball...Bird did ALL things well on the floor...There isn't one solitary stat on the board that larry didn't do better than the best that the 21st century has to offer.
usnate1 7 months ago
ppl seriously underestimate bird!
dalexispe 8 months ago
Between Moses Malones's goofy goggles, Muggsy Bogues's midgetry, and Manute Bol's general cartoonish-ness, the Bullets made for some great entertainment
pahonigman 9 months ago
Manute bol 6:10
FatBeatsHipHop 10 months ago
best ever
bootiack 10 months ago
king fouled bird intentional towards the end but that is a no win situation cause bird aint gonna miss free throws. bird was the best all around baller . and look at all these shots. all from the perimeter. amazing he shot 50% from the field in his career taking perimeter shots most of the time.
kimaste 1 year ago
so theres one small as guy on the bullets. and theres there some giagantor tall thin guy
RALMAR9 1 year ago
Not only did he have quick hands and the strength to hold on to rebounds, he had the best court vision and the quickest mind in basketball. We will never see another player with his superb skill set. His long range shooting, ambidexterity, desire to win, dive for loose balls, block shots, run the floor and insane passes made him the best ever.
mrho4speed 1 year ago
pure class by bernard king he tries to hold bird up after fouling him
eb1able 1 year ago
Only LeBron and Kobe get that hot that regularly, and I don't think they even DECIDE when they'd get hot like Bird could.
jakemcclain30 2 years ago
That layup over Bol was pretty impressive, too! Watch the bench reaction. That's not easy to get to the hoop with a 7'7" freak waiting there to block your shot! That's Bird, though....master of the angles.
giantrobot9000 2 years ago
@giantrobot9000. Dude. Its the Bullets.
Ariamaluum 2 years ago
Dude, it could be the damn Topeka, Kansas AAU All-Stars for it matters, that was an impressive shot. It doesn't matter how bad the team is, that's not even the point. I'm talking about that one shot.
giantrobot9000 2 years ago
All great points
One time ML Carr said 90-91 was Birds best season ever and if you think about it he may be onto something. Remember Bird played his last 5 years with crippling injuries that made him about 3/4 the player he was his first 7 years and he was still in 88 he was an MVP cindidate and in the other 3/4 years he was years he was an all star quality player.
Hes under rated in that regaurd
BCH19821091 2 years ago
Fatal9ish, when was the game played? Looks like 88?
phishhead11 2 years ago
What drove this guy im a huge Jordan fan I think hes the better player but Bird and Magic just had somthing special within them.They are my top 3 players of all time.
RohoicRamz94 2 years ago 5
@RohoicRamz94 What drove Bird was a large ego and a love for the game.
DUNKDAEXCESS 1 year ago
@RohoicRamz94 Jordan's not better than Bird. Bird swept Jordan twice.
FavreianVengeance 4 months ago
@FavreianVengeance READ BIRDS BOOK HE SAID THE REASON WHY HIS CELTICS BEAT JORDANS BULLS WAS BECAUSE JORDAN HAD NO TEAM!!!!READ A FUCKIN BOOK!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 You know that point really hit home b/c you used all caps. It made me really zero in. How about you stop being a fucking apologist. You don't lose 14 times in a row to someone and call yourself the greatest of all-time. That's not how it works. Watch the post game interview in 88 when Jordan finally won a playoff series against Cleveland. Jordan was shitting his pants b/c he was such a loser before that. Jordan came into the league and had 3 losing seasons. Bird won year 2. BITCH
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance No it didnt hit home but if your gonna reply make some sense.Not factoring in teammates in wins and losses is sensless.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 You're going to blame 14 losses in a row to anybody on teammates? How about you start making sense? But let me give you some supplementary knowledge. We hear about how great MJ's offense is. The Bulls averaged more points per game 2 years before he got there than at any point during his career. We hear about how great MJ's defense was. The Bulls defensive ppg was 4 points better after he walked away in 93.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance you guys kill me trying to prove how overrated Jordan was by saying his team was just as good without him as with him.The Bulls 55 win season without Jordan was overrated and trust me the Bulls before Jordan were going nowhere fast.Birds Celtics never faced Jordans Bulls in the playoffs with Pippen Grant Paxson as full time starters and the addition of Bill Cartwright..Add in Phil and Tex and thats a totally different team.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance The 85-87 Bulls were 06 in the playoffs vs the Celtics and were are you getting 14 straight losses from?
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Why would I not blame Jordan for losses.I blame Kobe for losses I blamed Magic for loses.They are the team leaders.But in order to beat elite teams you have to have more than Woolridge,Oakely and Sellers.Therefore Magic would recieve more of the blame for losing to Bird because he had the right pieces to win Jordan didnt you dumb fuck!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 The argument that MJ needed better players to win a championship is valid. But that is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that MJ should not have been on ANY team that lost to Bird 14 times in a row and got swept from the playoffs twice if you want to claim he is GOAT. And for the record, Bird would have won 50 plus with that talent. MJ never even had a winning season with that talent.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Jordan never lost to Bird 14 times in a row.The Bulls were 2-4 during the 84-85 regular season vs the Celtics.The 85-86 Bulls didnt have Jordan for the season and the Bulls went 1-5 vs the Celtics.The 86-87 Bulls were even weaker(0-6 vs Boston during regular season) than the previous 2 teams trying to beat a dynasty team with a team who didnt have the right pieces.87-88 Bulls start adding the right peices..they go 3-3 vs Boston that season.I wonder why?
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Birds Celtics never faced the Bulls 91 roster in the playoffs.The Celtics were beating a trash team with a superstar gaurd.Bird fans love brag about beating a weak team.They even brag about Bird winning 3 rings with one of them coming a against a below .500 team.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance "The argument that MJ needed better players to win a championship is valid. But that is not what I'm arguing"..Thats the whole argument!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 There's a huge difference between winning a championship and winning a game ONCE IN A WHILE. Bird owned Jordan.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance He didnt own the 91 Bulls he owned the Jordan Woolridge Bulls and Woolridge was no more than a decent sixth man on a great team ala his time with the Lakers he was the Bulls second best player but on the Lakers he was like 8th best.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Actually a crippled Bird competed fine with the 91 Bulls. A prime Bird OWNED a prime Jordan. And I already shared stats with you in ways the Bulls were better before and after he departed, but you conveniently want to just pretend I didn't say anything.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Okay the Bulls were better without Jordan.They were so good that they have zero titles without..count them zero.You have to be the biggest idiot on youtube.You would make a horrible Gm.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 I wouldn't say the Bulls were better w/o Jordan but there's actually a legitimate case to be made. That just shows how you fucking overlook shit b/c you want to believe your hero is GOAT. There's plenty of players that were better than Jordan.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance You dumb fuck theres no case to be made at all.You sound as dumb as the guy who said he was happy the Rockets took Hakeem over Jordan.Are you fuckers that stupid?And now there are plenty of players better than Jordan?6 rings 6 finals MVPs..Bird 2 legit rings 2 finals MVPs.Cedric Maxwell was better than Bird in his first finals win and that was vs the trash Rockets lmao!Are you serious lmao!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Only an idiot that didn't know real shit about the 81 Finals would be talking about Cedric Maxwell getting the MVP in the 81 Finals. Bird owned the defense and ran the offense. They just gave the award to CM b/c he cleaned up on 59 percent FG on putbacks. If you actually watched the fucking 81 Finals instead of running your mouth on face value Jordan jocking nonsense you'd know what's what DUMBFUCK.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Bitd was never had a season under 50 wins. Jordan w/o Pippen had 5 losing seasons and zero winning seasons. Bird beat Jordan 14x in a row and swept him twice, finishing him off in Chicago coming back from 11 down in Chicago w/o McHale. Stop making excuses.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bird aint win shit when Jordan got on top.That bitch was hurt and frail.He had more talent to work with than Jordan could imagine and yet he only made out with 2 legit rings and one vs a sub 500 team.Birds overrated.Jordan killed him numbers wise.He dropped 63 in Birds own arena and if it wasnt for Birds superior talent MJ would have sent Bird packing and thats with a trash team.Jordan retired twice and still has more hardware than Birds overrated ass.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 "That bitch" was still beating Jordan even after two torn acls and a degenerative back condition. Bird was 26-5 in 91 when he and McHale played together. You're just lucky "that bitch" was hurt or even an old Celtics team would've beat the weak ass Bulls. And you dumbfuck - Len Bias died and Bird still got 3 rings. Let's count how many rings Jordan would have had if Pippen died before they got started. UM ZERO. JUST SHUT YOUR FUCKING STUPID ASS UP NOW.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Of course he wouldnt win zero rings without a legitimate title contender thats how it works fuckface.Name a player that took a trash team and won it all?You cant but I can name a player who won a title vs a trash team..Larry fuckin Bird.And im glad you mentioned Len Bias.That was just more talent the Celtics were getting to keep the dynasty going.Bird was the great white hope with superior talent.He was overrated.Imagine the Bulls getting Len Bias..ballgame Birdy boy.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 No finals team is a trash team, but there have been players that won finals with a lot less than Pippen (a top 20 player IMO and better than Jordan). Bird won 3 rings w/o even playing with one athletic player. The closest athlete Bird won with was Tiny Archibald, past his prime and under 6 feet tall. That's how good he was. And take that great white hope shit and shove it up your ass nigger.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance 40-42 for a finals team is trash.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Yea way to argue a seemingly insignificant point but actually make my point. So if a 40-42 team could make it to a finals, what was MJ's fucking excuse for not being able to beat Bird in one playoff game. Good job on that one dumbass.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Its simple the Rockets had Moses on the frontline.And where was Bostons biggest strength?The frontline.Go ahead and compare Dave Corzine to Moses Malone who along with Dr.J led the Sixers to a sweep of the Lakers in their primes.If Moses had Dr.J and Ralph Sampson they would have swept Boston too.Give Jordan Malone in 86 and they beat Boston too.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 So what you're saying Moses Malone is better than Jordan. That's cool. I would say that too. That's why Moses Malone makes 16 on my list and Jordan is 21. And Moses did have Dr. J and maybe not Sampson but 4 or 5 other all-star talents and they sure as hell weren't sweeping the Celts you ignorant piece of shit. But you hit a point. The early 80's Lakers, Celts, Sixers would all wipe the floor with the weak-ass expansion era Bulls teams. So take those 6 rings and shove em up ur ass.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Moses had Dr.J on the Sixers not the rockets you dumb fuck.But then again you think Horace Grant is better than Kevin Mchale.And those teams from the 80s were stacked.A bunch of all stars and hall of famers clamoured together to ensure certain teams would always have a shot at the title because the league was on the decline.No different that whats happened in todays NBA.Expansion is a bullshit excuse for Lakers,Celtic fans.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
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@RohoicRamz94 "And Moses did have Dr. J and maybe not Sampson but 4 or 5 other all-star talents and they sure as hell weren't sweeping the Celts" - Don't call me a dum fuck you fucking dumb fuck. I was talking about the fucking Sixers you fucking piece of shit. Now shut the fuck up.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance "without mchale".He still had two hall of famers left in Parrish and Johnson you idiot Jordan had none.Youre great white hope is a great white hype.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Don't give me that hall of fame hogwash. Kerr was a 55 percent 3 point shooter at one point. Horace Grant did much of what McHale did. Pippen was a great athlete. A guy like BJ Armstrong was comparable to DJ. Kukoc was freaking awesome. Rodam was a HOFer btw making it 3 HOFers anyhow. The Bulls had plenty of right people at the right time. Don't try to whittle it down to HOFer counting b/c you want to make excuses for Jordan getting owned.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance LMAO look at your stupid comparisons.Grant was no Mchale you dumbass..BJ Armstrong was no Dennis Johnson he was 5 time all star and finals MVP.Im convinced youre a dickhead.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Maybe not over the coarse of their careers. But BJ was a freaking all-star after Jordan left. He played at an all-star level during the championship runs. That's what counts. And Horace Grant did provide what was needed in the interior for the 3 runs and he was good enough to knock Jordan's ass out in 95. I don't care if he is in the HOF or as good as McHale. My point is you are making lame excuses and comparisons to cover up that Jordan was not so great.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Youre making my point for me you walking handjob.The 85 through 89 Bulls didnt have the right piece to compete for a title.They needed a better coach they got one.They needed better big men they got them.The result is a dynasty.bird had the right pieces and the right coach.The result a dynasty..My god your stupid.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 LMAO - I'm not even talking about the 85-89 Bulls being good enough to compete for a title for starters. I'm talking about winning ONE fucking game. But Bird just swept Jordan's ass bitch. And the 89 Bulls (with Bird out) were good enough ass clown. They fucking choked up 2-1 in the ECF at home. Jordan couldn't even get his team to score 100 in one game that series. And don't blame it on the fucking coach either. That's just fucking stupid. And Bird ain't my god cunt.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bird didnt sweep shit.His stacked team beat a weak team over and over again.Look at the numbers of Jordan vs Bird in head to head matchups.Jordan gave that bitch the work.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Yea? The 87 Celts were so depleted in Gm 3 in Chicago that they used a 7 man rotation that include Fred freaking Roberts at the starting PF and a hobbled Bill Walton that played in 10 gms that year. There was no McHale. And in that gm, Bird completed a comeback with 15 4th Q pts and Jordan oh he missed every 4th Q FGA to choke away an 11 point lead at home and get swept for the 2nd year in a row. Any more ignorant shit you want to say? More teammate fallacies maybe?
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance No Mchale in game 3 and Bird still had better talent around him then Jordan..What a fuckin shame and that bitch could only get 3 rings out of it and one vs a below 500 team?
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Dude. It was a rhetorical fucking question. When I said do you have something else fuckign stupid to say. Bird got three rings competing against dynasties and even when the C's best prospect fucking died. Again, Jordan did shit against dynasty talent and he gets zero rings if Pippen dies. Just shut the fuck up you ignorant piece of garbage.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bird,Oakely,Corzine now thats fuckin dynasty Lmao!You dumbfuck.Bird is the great white hope.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Bird would have taken that team and won 50 easy. He took a losing team and turned em into a 60 win team. Jordan took a losing team and well they were still just losers. Bird made mediocre players into winners. That's what he did in college. Clearly, Jordan was not great and he could not do that. Yea. You got a LMAO for that hearty dose of reality? I don't think so. Go away jordan jocking troll.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
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@FavreianVengeance "Bird made mediocre players into winners"Wow so Dennis Johnson,Kevin Mchale and Robert Parrish are just mediocre players?Your mother should have swollowed your stupid ass with a spoon.Bird wouldnt have won 50 games with that talent.Thats more wishful thinking.Bird is your Michael Landon your angel in short shorts.But the truth is hes just an overrated white boy..french lick trash.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bird had 7 teammates in double figures in his rookie year.That bitch aint turn shit around.He was lucky to be playing for Red Auerbach was always looking to stack his teams up.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
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@RohoicRamz94 "Bird had 7 teammates in double figures in his rookie year.That bitch aint turn shit around. He was lucky to be playing for Red Auerbach was always looking to stack his teams up." Hmmm of course the year before their were 8 Celtics in double figures and they won 29 games. Bird comes, same amount of people in double figures and the Celts win 60. Geez you're a fucking idiot. And RA called Bird the man from the start. It had nothing to do with stacking.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 There's really no point in arguing. If a guy A. beats a guy 14x times in row amd B. Finishes off that guy with 15 4th Q pts to the other guys 0 and you can blame all of that on teammates then who really cares. There's nothing more Bird could've done to own MJ. But you go ahead and enjoy your Jordan jocking fantasies.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance If you dont factor in supporting cast then youre rght theres no point in debating.You dont know how to judge talent.plain and simple.Wins and losses are a team accomplishent.Bird is your god.Hes that fake white Jesus hanging on your mommas wall.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 You keep pretending its about race but I'd have no problem if you were arguing Russell or Robertson as GOAT. Oh? Yea. Aren't you the fucking race troll. And supporting cast does factor. But when you argue 14 losses in a row and two playoff sweeps on supporting cast that just makes you a laughing stock, not a legitimate debater.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance what are the 14 straight losses dates please.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
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FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Heres the comment you removed.I asked when did they lose 14 in a row you said.."1985 through I believe 1987 (maybe it was 1988). You can check it all on bb reference."..
Youve been talking shit this whole time and you didnt do the research for yourself?Did you factor in Jordan missing the 86 season?You didnt did you Larry loving jizz juggler.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 You dont factor in talent and you dont even factor in whether or not a guy actually played in the games in which youre referring to.What a fuckin waste of time.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 I didn't remove it b/c I was lying. I removed it, copied and pasted and added to it. Go ahead and verify those 14 wins in a row and then tell me how my ass tastes bitch.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Youre verify them for me genius.Dont forget to factor in the games in which Jordan didnt play as well because we all know those losses were his fault as well.Basketball Jesus will save you my child.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Bitch. Do you not know the definition of verify? I already fucking verified it. I fucking explained to you step by step how I fucking did it too. You either verify it or take my word for it. I don't give a fuck b/c I know the truth. I already done looked at how Bird beat Jordan 14x in a row. And you know the fucking funny thing - I bet you already have to and you're just not even going to bother to mention that you saw your hero aint GOAT after all. PATHETIC.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance You stupid fat pigskinned fuck you cant even give me the dates of the games?14 games in a row give me the dates.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Also im not pissed because the Celtics beat the Bulls 13 or 14 times in a row.I just want to make sure Jordan played in those games.If were discussing the two players shouldnt we use the games in which they actually played?Common sense shitkicker!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance I didnt say you were lying I said verify them adolph!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Tell me how my ass taste?Really Shaq?Having dreams about men kissing your ass for you huh?
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Don't try to degenerate this into mindless name calling. First you tried to avoid the idea that your hero MJ lost 14x in a row to GOAT Bird. Then you tried to blame it on his teammates. Then when you thought I pulled something, you were saying to yourself 'I knew my hero couldn't have lost 14x in a row' and you tried to call me out for lying .Now verify that shit like a man and then tell me how my ass tastes bitch. Or rather how Bird's ass tastes cunt.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance You cant do it can you?Look at my last comment.You replied 2 hours after me.You didnt have the info ready and youre too fuckin fat and lazy to provide the info.All good debators provide info to back up thier claim.I said Jordans teammates were not as good as Birds.Which is verified by the number of HOFS and All star games they were selected to by fans and coaches.You may be able to verifiy the 14 losses but I can also verify the talent gap between the 2 teams..loser!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bird having Mchale and Parrish is like Jordan having Hakeem and Moses Malone.You guys love to bring up Pippen..Pippen this Pippen that.Grant was decent..but he was no Kareem Abdul Jabbar.And you say dont blame the coaches?How about Stan Albeck?Im guessing his whole strategy was..Give it to MJ let him win it.He tried the same shit with George Gervin..Stan loved high scoring gaurds and forwards but playing Boston you needed team balance but in order to do that you need a team.
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FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 i agree that magic and bird had better teamates than mj in the champion's he won BUT lakers and celtics face each other plus 76ers until middle 80's....those 3 teams are 3 of the official top 10 teams ever in NBA history!bulls face very good but not so great teams in those 6 champs!so,yes mj did n't have so great teamates but had less competition than bird and magic!i could admit mj if his 90's bulls ever face and win prime lakers,celtics or even 76ers(i agree that mj is the best)
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat Your making complete sense. I've told this guy such points on many occasions. But just so you know, he's a certified Jordan jocker. He doesn't care about reality.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Lmao you were so happy someone intervened that you agreed MJ is the best read the last line of his comment..(i agree MJ is best)You..needing any supprt you can get tells him.."Your making complete sense"when really hes making both our points for us..Lmao fuckin lame.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Magic yesterday morning"MJ is best and Russell is the best winner..So im guessing that leaves 3rd place tie for Magic and Bird...Exaclty how I have them ranked 1-2-3 Jordan,Magic,Bird!Jordan Bird,Magic..etc!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Whatever. You've proved your nothing more than a troll. I could care less about your idiotic logic.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance He said the same thing I said..You called mine idiotic but you fully agree with his?You fuckin dumbass its onwership at its finest..Bill Fitch is rollin over in his grave Lmao!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Why are you still talking? You're too chicken to even stake the GOAT on who beat who FOURTEEN TIMES IN A ROW. You're a coward and you're out of lame arguments.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 BTW - What fucking 'same thing' are you talking about? You're so full of shit.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat Have you ever seen MJ play with the talent Bird/Magic played with?No..He won 6 vs evenly matched comp..Its not like the Bulls were stacked like a 80s team playing in the 90s.You agree Jordan is best so you should also agree that Magic/bird getting old or injured had nothing to do with MJ finally winning rings it was just a personnel upgrade and a concept change.90s Bulls team do better than you think vs 80s teams.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 man,i said that mj did n't have so great temates as bird-magic but had less competition!for example mj had pippen and won drexler's blazers who had no great teamate with him!he also won barkley's suns+k.johnson who was very good but not in the same level as scottie!then sheatle payton-kemp and only jazz had 2 HOF(malone-stockton) and bulls had 3(mj,pippen,rodman)!80's bulls didn't even make conference finals until pippen join him!they defeated by boston(thats ok),bucks and detroit!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat I dont give a fuck if you agree with me or not you dumb fuck.Your making less sense by the comment youre so afraid that your youtube friends will disagree with you lol!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 yes,u are right cause all my friend are in youtube and i know them since kids...u are completely out of mind and it was mistake to agrue with you....your only argument is the world"fuck"...strong argument and very easy for you when the other is thousand miles away!youtube is to watch and to say your opinion,not real life...i hope u'll realise it!basketball is for fun and those players were great...
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat "His only argument" - Get the fuck out of here. He explained shit how it is. Don't throw out your moronic come ons. You did the same shit to me with "I just said the same thing" and nobody knows wtf you're even talking about. Seventh grade is over ass clown. Apparently not for you. That's why you have a fake wrestler for your avatar LMFAO _ DICKWEED.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance 80s NBA=Overrated!
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Wait. The 80s are over-rated and all Jordan did was get owned in the 80s? LMAO. You're so f'ing stupid that you accidentally argue against your own Jordan juice jugging ass.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
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RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance LMAO more bait for the fishes...That comment was outlandish and meant to draw this type of reaction from you.Youre so fuckin stupid youre mother shouldve swallowed you.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Stop polluting the Bird comments with your psycho babble. Matter of fact if you come at me when anything that lame again, just don't bother expecting a response. Mindless Jordan jockers. They're like zombies.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Expect a respone maybe not.Expect Jordan to always be ranked over Bird..Expect that 95% of the time.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 Why would I care what corporate stooge or moronic Jordan jocker say Jordan is better than Bird? I don't care about the legions of mindless fools.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat Your right. This guy drinks Jordan's juice though. Look at who Jordan beat - All of the 80s B Stars and while Stern intentionally threw games and watered down the league. And he had to ride Pippen's back b/c he couldn't win w/o him. Also the 96 Sonics woudn't have even made a conference finals in the 80s.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat any hall of famer theory does not work at all. for starters, the sixers had 1 hall of famer on their team in 1980,81 and 82, and they were 2-1 aganist the celtics. 1981-bird beat a sub .500 team with noone but moses malone. 1 hall of famer. 86 rockets,the same. 1 hall of famer in hakeem olajuwon...compared to 3+ on the celtics. all of jordans finals opponents were better than the trash bird beat in 1981.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 first of all i agree about HOF,for example bird had archibals(hofamer)in early 80's but was n't in his prime anymore!the 82 rockets had 2 hof,moses and murphy 17p and reid 16p and don't forget that defeat champ.lakers!bird had parish 19p and maxwell 15p....so both almost had the same help.the 86 rockets also defeat champ.lakers!they had hakeem,sampson was great before his injuries,lloys 17p.lucas 15.5p 9as,so it was a very good team!i don't think hakeem had better teamates in 94 champ
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat lucas was suspended in 1986,he didnt play in the finals(along with three other players). bird didnt face the 1982. the rockets beat the lakers in 1981?for starters, a three game series is hardly anthing to write home about. plus,magic johnson was injured. and you are bringing up the ppg numbers?thank you for clarifying one thing: the celtics were better than the lakers in 1984,considering they had more 11+ ppg scorers. lol
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 ok,your opinion is that celtics face worst teams than bulls in 90's?celtics play against 2 of the best offficial teams ever(80's lakers and 80's 76ers)...this is a fact.bulls is the only team from 90s that is in top10 teams ever!as concern 1986 houston defeat lakers and their roster was better than 94 champ.team.u are right about lucas but still was better team!
sampson(all-star) was much better than thorpe....reid,lloyd and mccray were better than horry,maxwell and smith to!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat sampson was injured, he put up 14 ppg on %43. three rockets players were suspended in 1986 including john lucas. if those rockets were so great,they wouldnt have been sub. 500 in 1981 and merely a 51 win team in 1986.
you used the number of hall of famers as a measuring stick to judge a teams quality. by your logic,those early 80s sixer teams were no better than jordans opponents. you cant have it both ways.
for the record,83 was easily the best sixer team.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 what are u talikng about?the only player did n't play in playoffs was lucas!hakeem,sampson,lloyd,reid,mcray,wiggins,petersen,leavell,harris,ehlo....this was the same team defeat lakers 4-1 with all their stars in...as concerns nba record does n't mean many...for example 1995 houston had 47-35!76ers was a great team and drj was something like mj of 70's-early 80's....he led 76ers to finals but lost by lakers cause theay had more great players!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat I'm telling you. Netcap chugs 4J (Jug of Jordan Jocking Juice) daily. He doesn't get how good the 86 Rockets are b/c he sees what he wants to see. But the 86 Rockets would have wiped the floor with any Bulls team.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance the legendary "twin towers" lost to two sub. 500 teams. sampson was injured,their starting point guard was suspended. yet im supposed to believe that rockets team was great. again,you make an arguement based on nothing more than your man crush on bird and bloated hot air. but those excuses only count for your god and the celtics..lmao
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 WTF are you talking about? Sampson wasn't injured. And Murphy dealt with injuries during the series. The 86 Rockets beat the Showtime Lakers 4 out of 5 and 2 of 3 in LA. What more do you want? And I didn't call the 86 Rockets great, mererely that they were better than any Bulls team. Don't call that 'great' P-Brain.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance lol. what a cop out answer. im supposed to take a bird homer's word over what the announcers said during the 3rd quarter in game 6 of the finals. thank you for clearing that up. wow,your words really hold a lot of weight. oh btw,another blatant lie:pippens rookie year was 1988. either you are deliberately lying or you have a single digit IQ.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 96 Sonics,93 Suns all destroy 81 Rockets.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat three rockets players were suspended for drug abuse. houstons record in 1995 does not matter,considering drexler played a grand total of 35 games. the records matter. if those rockets were so great,they would have done a bit better than 51 wins. i would understand if they had gone 51-31 in the eastern conference. did i mention that jordan won 50 in '88 with rookie scottie pippen and grant?sampson played like trash in the finals except game 3.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 name me those rocktes cause i remember their roster in those finals and only lucas did n't play but not only in finals but in playoffs and defeat lakers 4-1 with all their stars playing!this means was a very good team and this is a fact!95 houston had 30-17 before drexler trade for thorpe and after that they had 17-18!but in playoffs,that counts,dominate and won the champ!many times teams with not great record won the champ...1993 bulls won knicks and suns who had better record to!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat Yea Murphy did not play. Lucas I don't know that he mattered. The Rockets had depth. That really did not matter much. If Olajuwon or Sampson didn't play that'd be much more noteworthy. The main thing ins they had McCray who shot a blistering .588 and pressed Bird on D and Reid who guarded Bird well. Those would've been bigger losses. The C's came within a hair of sweeping the 86 Rockets, a team that crushed the Showtime Lakers. Netcap is just looking for excuses.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance actually murphy play in 4 games in 1981 finals but their arguments are so weak in general!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance lol its mind boggling how you are grasping in vain trying to prop up your god. no excuses,just a fact that the best team larry beat in the finals had a 54-28 record,and it took him seven games. once again,that "depth" in their roster earned them a 51-31 record. hmm. here is what the rockets did the year before and after:the legendary rockets lose to two sub. 500 teams!
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 You cherrypicking idiot. Sampson was injured in 87. Who cares who they lost to. And the 54 win Rockets romped the Showtime Lakers (a team that many consider the best of all-time). Stop coming up with your idiotic arguments. The 86 Rockets would have won a championship in most years and the C's almost swept them. They were better than the Bulls and possibly better than any team the Bulls played.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance again,you just posted another blatant lie and you are saying im cherrypicking lmao. the fact that you regularly post misinformation makes you look rather pathetic. the rockets had 51 wins,not 54.
you said a 60 win team wouldnt get swept for no reason. funny how that same thing applies to the lakers in 1986,considering losing in 5 isnt that much of a difference. the excuses only apply to your hero and the celtics though. typical.
netcap001 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance lol @ almost swept. sampson put up an average of 14 ppg on %43 shooting and the rockets still won two games.
netcap001 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance hilarious how you talked about how there was something obviously wrong with the celtics in 1983. the 47 win nuggets won 2 games vs the 86 rockets,so there must have been something wrong with the lakers that year. just because a team matched up well with another team does not mean they were so great. dummy.
yeah thats right,nobody should give a damn about losing to 41 and 39 win teams.
lol@ the excuse for sampson in 1987 playoffs. 18.6 ppg on .514%.
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FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
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@netcap001 The Celts won 3 of 6 in the reg season vs. the Bucks and they were 5 gms better than them. It was a down season at 56 wins. But the other seasons 1980 - 60 wins, 1981 - 61 wins 1982 - 63 wins 1984 - 62 wins 1985 - 63 wins 1986 - 67 wins.......Reports were Bird had a 104 fever at the outset of the 84 Semis. That'd explain why a perennial power was swept by a formidable but not especially wonderful team. If you want to put your head in the sand like an ostrich go ahead.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@netcap001 Sampson miss half the 87 season. Funny considering you always whine about Jordan missing time and using that as an excuse for why MJ was swept by the Celts__ Sampson was at 21.2 and 16.6 rebs in the 85 p/o's by 87 p/o's his injuries had him down to 18.2 and 8.8 rebs and it'd be his last significant post season. The Sampson scenario is well chronicled and you know the deal as a basketball fan.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bulls were a lottery team who squeaked into the playoffs in 86 Celtics were a 60 win team on a roll..You think the Bulls should have made it a series?You dont know shit about basketball.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance you compare sampson in 1985 to what he did in 1987 instead of looking into 1986,and you are saying im a cherry picker lol. sampsons numbers in 1985 earned him an elimination by a .500 team.
i wouldnt bring up jordan missing 64 games if you hadnt made an excuse-larry had a temperature,wahh- while still penalizing jordan for his teams being under .500 and ignoring jordans broken foot in 86 or torn knee cartilage as a wizard.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 Let's just get back to your conclusion. You want to claim the 86 Rockets were not good when they beat a full strength Showtime Lakers 4-1 and 2 of 3 in LA. You're retarded.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance fail. just like you made an excuse for bird and his team getting swept by the bucks in 1983.
basically your logic comes down to this:celtics beat one of the worst lakers teams in 1984. 83=58 wins. LA after 1984:62,62,65,62 wins. celtics beat the worst laker team. any objections?
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 You're going to say I failed while downgrading the C's defeat of the 84 Lakers? LMAO. Dude the 84 Lakers would have swept every Bulls team and done it while winning every game in double digits.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance no,you made an excuse for larry because the celtics won 56 in 1983,that automatically means that the celtics beat the worst laker team.
larry is a career loser vs johnson and his teams anyway. if you think the 84 lakers would sweep every bulls team,fine. i won't take that seriously,because you are unable to pry your lips off larry's dick to see anything. the lakers couldn't even sweep a .500 team in 1984. you are nuts,consider this a jest.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 I made no excuse for the Celts winning 56 in 83. COMPREHENSION ASSWIPE.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@netcap001 LOL at your torn knee cartialage. There's probably not a player in the NBA over 25 that doesn't have torn cartilage.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance jordan was 38-39,and had surgery. here is some perspective-magic johnson missed 45 games in 1981 with that same injury.
that isn't the point though. when larry has a temperature,you cry like a bitch. jordan had a surgery and missed 20+ games(at age 38),and you overlook it. do yourself a favor fucktard-get larry's balls out of your mouth.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 Jordan won 42 in Pippen's rookie year (1 loss away from .500 lol). Nice try on that lie loser.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance no,jordan won 50 in pippens year. that is not a lie. you would be able to see that if you didnt have larrys balls in your mouth.
netcap001 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance *pippens rookie year.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 if erving had more help maybe could defeat lakers in 1980....dawkins play well in those finals(20p) and cheeks had 15p.7as!in 1982 finals drj had much more help...toney(if no injuries would br HOF)was great avr 26p.8as. and cheeks had 15p.9as.but after 1983 erving had moses,toney,cheeks and great role players like b.jones,richardson,johnson...and dominate lakers!can u tell me one team so great in 90's excpet bulls!i don't think so my friend!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat we've established the point that the number of hall of famers is not a gauge for the quality of teams. oh and for the record, comparing the ppg numbers in the 90s to the 80s does not make sense,considering teams scored much more in the 80s.
sampson put up a pathetic 14 ppg on %43 in the 86 finals. if anything,you should admit that the 81 rockets were not good at all-even your stats arguement proves that.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 your friend said that bird had better teamates than mj...HOF in a team is a fact but it's important in what shape they are!for example bird in his rookie year had maravich,archibald and cowens but all of them weren't in their prime,actually 2nd best player was maxwell!the same for mchale was n't hof in his 3 first years and so go on...sampson was great with lakers,if he had bad series is another thing!u didn't answer me wich team was as great as 80'sboston,la,76ers face mj in 90's?
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat Those 80s teams werent great they were fuckin stacked big difference.If your team is stacked your expected to win if your team is great they overcome missing parts and have great runs to get them into title contention.Lakers/Celtics/76ers stayed in the finals because of depth of team not because of Larry,Doc and Bird.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 what are u talking about man?my question was so simple and you said so many but didn't answer me!first u say that bird -magic weren't so great but had great teamates thats why defeat mj!then u say that wasn't great teams....i don't care if wre stacked or not(chemistry makes teams great) but those teams were much better than all 90's teams mj face!this is a fact u can's deny!lakers made ginals in 1991 without kareem,magic had damaged knees and was slower,no prime scott,no cooper..
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago
@AdreasTheGreat please gtfo with that "johnson had damaged knees" excuse. his numbers match up very well(both the regular season and the playoffs) to couple of his years in the 80s. you gave none for jordan having a pulled groin vs the pistons,or pippen going out with a concussion in an elimination game. plus,the migrane and jordans injury in 1990. hmm.
netcap001 3 months ago
@netcap001 Lmao Magic MVP in 89-90..Jordan won his first title in 90-91 these guys dont know shit about shit.
RohoicRamz94 3 months ago
@RohoicRamz94 i can't get your point....u say 96 sheatle will look like this...instead of hawkins-richmond,instead of perkins-ewing?if they had those 2 possible would defeat bulls!who told u that 80's teams didn't have good bench?lakers had players like mcadoo,cooper,wilkes,mcgee coming from the bench and could easily score 15-20p!90's bulls had better bench?!there is a video during 96 finals that magic,bird,drj say their teams would win 96 bulls,watch it if u want!
AdreasTheGreat 3 months ago