THE SUN TODAY: 28 January 2012 - What a Week!

[PhatPhat818]

whats up with the solarHAMdoTCOM. yesterdays said xclass flare...now it says mflare...yet the xray date doesnt match...

[drkstrong]

@PhatPhat818 They are doing something very silly. They are taking the maximum X-ray flux in the last 24 hours and calling that the flare. The X flare occured the previous day but when the date changed it was still at M level - hence the M flare designation. NOAA sometimes does this and they are slavishly follwoing along without thinking about it.

[PhatPhat818]

@drkstrong was wondering what was going on. thanks doc. u da man.

[iamours]

sharing it and adding the date correction to 2012 many thanks

[drkstrong]

@iamours Thanks for the catch on 2012 - I usually get used writing the new years date round about November! :)

[1canadianprepper]

Hello Dr k help please my local radio show in Toronto just said the sun is entering its weak cycle and we should expect a cool summer. I thought it was solar max

[drkstrong]

@1canadianprepper In a sense you are both right but the conclusion of the radio station is plain silly. It is forecast that cycle 24 will be a weak one with a peak sunspot number of 70. We have already had a monthly peak near 100 and we arent at solar maximum yet, as you said. Long-term solar forecasting is largely guesswork. However even if the Sun were to go dormant for the rest of this cycle its effect on our climate would be negligable - 80 years of quiet sun produced <0.2C drop in global Ts

[PhatPhat818]

possible xflare. confirm

[Valthepixie]

Antarctica is on the Piri Reis map, early 1500's. There is also the Finé's 1531 World Map which includes an oversized depiction of the Antarctic continent. The official date is nonsense. :D

[drkstrong]

@Valthepixie Reis' map clearly shows that the land mass is soth america. Fine's shows a separate landmass but has it stretching up to the tropics in both the Pacific and Indian Ocean. It is drawn to show some may be there not actually correctly depicting the edge of the land mass - How could they there are many 100's of miles of sea around the shore and most of the land is under glaciers.

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong Yeah the Fine's map has antartica over large. But when compared to a modern map it's pretty close in shape and topography, they even mapped the mountains and valleys not too far off reality. It was definately discovered before the 1800's. :)

[drkstrong]

@Valthepixie 4000 miles is pretty far off reality

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong Yeah I did say it was over large, lol, but it is roughly in the right place, the right shape, and topography. They weren't exactly accurate back then on any maps, they couldn't plot accurately because they lacked accurate time keeping. So forgivable. :)

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong The fact they couldn't plot longditude (it was mosly guess work) would account for the Fine's map showing antarctica as larger than it is. The first marine chronometer was invented in 1714 (200 years later) and it would have been some years after that it went into common use. I love old maps they tell thier own tales. :D

[drkstrong]

@Valthepixie The 4000 mile error was in latitude which any child can measure from the altitude of the Sun, stars, and moon on any given day. In greek times they could measure latitude to better than a degree (70 miles). The topography the showed was covered with mountains but so a few will coincide with real mountans. I disagree on the shape - they dont have the main features. They also show it as free of ice which it certanly isnt. Lastly if it was known why was it a sensation in 1820?

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong Latitude is easy, longditude you need accurate time keeping to know where the sun is at noon on a fixed point on earth. They used Greenwich as the fixed point but not for another 200 years. Most of it is the right shape, it's missing the bit that sticks out and points to south america. What other land mass could it be in that location? By 1820 we had the means to map accurately, so they did.

[drkstrong]

@Valthepixie My point remain is that they drew this land mass as stretcching to the tropics in both the Indean and Pacific Oceans. That is a huge error in latitude (over 4000 miles!) If that is wrong everything else is wrong. They also used to draw sea monsters on maps - doesnt mean they were there.

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong "Lastly if it was known why was it a sensation in 1820?"

Science is always giving credance to the wrong person. Example, Columbus didn't discover America in the common era, the Vikings did. Europe was not the first people to have an industrial revolution, China was. ;)

[drkstrong]

@Valthepixie The Vikings didnt discover North America - the people we call native americans did during the previous ice age.

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong Vikings: I did say "discovered in the common era". lol

Abosoute evidence they found America 500 years before Columbus. There were lots of voyages by them, some are well documented, names and all. :)

youtube watch?v=Q4XjiUGZ0lw&feature=re­lated

[Valthepixie]

@drkstrong Another example, our electricity supply. Credance is given to Thomas Edison, but without Tessla who invented the alternating current, we wouldn't have an electricity supply. :) Tessla is a bad boy because he invented free energy, they destroyed him over it, stole all his reseach and left him destitute.

[drkstrong]

@Valthepixie Actually Edison didnt invent many things - he commercialized other people's inventions usually after stealing them (Light bulb, the phonagraph, power distribution, movies, etc)

[its12midnightbrdy]

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[Ouijeannette]

Thank you... it is very sunny here and bright as ever!!!!

[drkstrong]

@Ouijeannette Same here but chilly.

PS it is always sunny just sometimes the clouds get in the way!

[mariss711]

Thanks as always Doc.

[romygirl60]

Thank you for this great birthday gift :))

[drkstrong]

@romygirl60 Many Happy Returns

[PhatPhat818]

@drkstrong xflare/ confirm

[rongrite]

Ever heard the theory, that the antarctic was Atlantis?

From a southern hemispheric point of view,

it looks like an island, in the middle of one giant ocean.

i think the ancient Greeks only knew of one big ocean called the Atlantic,

but i'm not sure.

...but all deep oceans connect, as one anyway, we just have named parts of it.

Perhaps the ancient Atlantians were so technologically advanced, that they accidentally changed the angle of rotation of the Earth, causing Atlantis to move South...

[drkstrong]

@rongrite The only problem is that in Greek times (and for 35 million years before that) antarctica was under several kilometers of ice.

[rongrite]

@drkstrong Hmm, well it could have been a myth...

But on the angle of inclination of the planets, on the solar plane, all being different;

A gyroscope holds its angle in gravity,

could magnetism be the cause for all the different tilts of the planets?

[drkstrong]

@rongrite Actually the different orbital inclinations are probably due to collisions during the early formation stages of the solar system

[cburke4now]

Yes, wow what an interesting and amazing week.Wondering if planets grouping together in magnetic lines, if that exists, causes activity increase or even decrease in the sun. Thanks

[drkstrong]

@cburke4now If you look at the location of the planets currently (eg at Solar System Live) you will see all th eplanets spread out all over the place.

[skywriter1962]

That one in the center that is coming around now, is in a spot as to if it is very active and it shoots out any large CME's, they could be a direct hit, it's like a ruellet wheel, eventually the heavy ones will smack us dead on, it's only a matter of time!

[drkstrong]

@skywriter1962 All the spots when I was making this yesterday were basicallly isolated (I havent had time to check today). 1408 and 1410 are large but single spots - those generally dont flare.

[its12midnightbrdy]

DR.S, i was listening and watching intently and didn't even notice your sound track being messed up. : ) : ) : )

[drkstrong]

@its12midnightbrdy Drat, I shouldn't have said anything! :)

[Gruntphuttock]

The Russian may have been the first in the "modern" era to have discovered Antarctic in 1820, but somebody definitely knew about it long before that, because, in 1593, the Turkish Admiral, Piri Reis, drew a map accurately depicting the northern Antarctic coastline as it is under the ice. He is said to have copied his map from ancient documents kept in the Imperial Library in Constantinople. Makes yer think, Doc, don't it? Thanks for the latest video and commentary. Great stuff.

[drkstrong]

@Gruntphuttock Actually the world map of Piri Reis shows a coast line across the southern atlantic but those coastal features correspond to the features and settlements along the southerneaster coast of south america. It is also joined to soth america ie no cape horn so I dont think he was depicting antarctica.

[guitarsinheat]

Hi Doc, Thanks for putting in the audio commentary into your video

I really like it.

Thanks

[drkstrong]

@guitarsinheat It took me a day and half with the all technical problems my end and then when I up load it, the sound track gets corrupted. SIGH!

[wormywelshdude]

your video crasht on me and the sound is skiping.

[drkstrong]

@wormywelshdude I dont know what is going on - the orginal sounds fine.

[its12midnightbrdy]

Thanks Dr. S, I like your narration of your video. Very good.

[drkstrong]

@its12midnightbrdy Thanks - pity the sound track was screwed up.

[vyperius]

thanks doc thanks thanks thanks doc.

[drkstrong]

@vyperius (You are welcome)**5! :)

[Kalohuxify]

Thank you. :-)

[drkstrong]

@Kalohuxify You are welcome, sorry it took so long to get this one together.

[baalisgod666]

I've long suspected your an alien from an advanced civilization. The audio on this proves you are currently in orbit, and your being bombarded by solar radiation! :)

[drkstrong]

@baalisgod666 :))

[apagoogoo]

nice to hear your voice; audio is a bit skippy - gives the vid a kind of Max Headroom feel...

[drkstrong]

@apagoogoo Completely unintensional - when I play the original there are no probelms. It seems to be a problem with uploading it to YT. Sorry!

[apagoogoo]

@drkstrong no apologies necessary. keep the narrated ones coming.

[NorCalPunk032]

thnak you for the post.

all the extra information and maps is awesome

thank you for explaining!!

hope to learn more

[drkstrong]

@NorCalPunk032 Glad you liked it

[1canadianprepper]

Lots of action

[ARTILECT4U]

GOOD MORNING hearing your voice.

shalom