This was a "low" start. You can hear the start cart fire up and the rpm surge when the output air is switched on and thus delivering air to the DC-8 for the air starters.
i had the privilage to fly on one of these vancouver to calgary quite a while ago and on a CPair DC8 strech vancouver to toronto and then on to montreal back in the summer of 1978
@hargohargo2 It's so sad that more and more of these beautiful classic airliners get retired every year. I can't remember the last time I saw one of these here down under.
I was a ramp agent for Delta for over 15 years. These engine/starters would put the fear of God in you when you were standing next to them when they hit the starter.
Even with the best ear protection your ears were damaged beyond repair.
VERY loud airplane... and a pain to load and unload....
@ctxflyer do you remeber the old bac111,s ? they were sooo noisy i used to listen to them take off from dublin airport in ireland when i was a kid, aer lingus had a few of them and they had to put silencers on their engines at a cost of a million pounds each back in the 1980s. but oh my god were they loud machines.
Time flies, so it seems. Once the sound of these nice TD-3D's could be heared at EHAM as well when KLM still used their DC-8-5 and 6 a/c. The howl was always the proof of the fact a DC-8 was ready to go flying.....I flew o/b DC-8's of KLM and Finnair and loved the confort o/b.
The howl you hear at the initation of an engine start on this acft is because this acft has a high/low starting system. If a ground cart is not available for engine start, crew use output from high pressure onboard tanks to the "hi" side of the engine starters to spin the engines high enuff in RPM to light-off the combustor and complete the start. System was used on some DC-8s and B707s.
I heard this as a kid watching KLM DC-8-50's, but it has taken me more than 45 years to learn about the reason for this unique sound feature....Thanks!!
Older series DC-8s were an incredible ride for us fortunate passengers. The -70 series upgrades almost turned these beasts into 737-300s.... all the soul was gone. Wonder if original DC-8-50's and -60's can still be spotted in Miami?
Thank you for the video of this beautiful plane, a much welcome relief from the boring 2 engine bloated wing mounted or flimsy T- tail engine planes used today.
I worked for Airborne Express in 2000-2003 now DHL/ABXair, and at ths time we had 2 61 sieries still in filght, there was talk of refitting them, tails 845AX and 850AX respectively, with the JT3D-7 engines, but sadly the company bought several 767's that were noisier and guzzled more fuel than those two ladies ever did, last I heard after I left, they were removed from service and sat on the scrap line awating engine removal and for the wreckers to come for them,May they continue to fly forever
I gave 11 yrs (90-01)to ABX too, and recovered 853AX from junk in Paraguay in '95, where I did my last runup and taxi on a 61. The howl sound is actually created by a short 90 deg elbow downstream of the start valve on the left side. You can also hear the howl just prior to start valve closing. Notice that the howl is not the same for each engine. It sounded better upstairs. The howl is not present on the 62/63 series because the elbow was not installed on the -7 engine. Forever live my DC8s!
I can't agree with you more on that remark, coolspindrift especially as regards the contours of the nose, such a class and style. Though I prefer the series 50, as the 61 and 63 series seem a little long out of proportion. None-the-the-less, it showed how the '8 could be developed, this and the 63 enjoyed being the world's largest jetliner until the 747 appeared on the scene. In some ways, the DC-8 has beaten the 707.
Thanks for your comments Pulisto. I remember in the mid 1970s, back in the day when you could, look into the interiour of a Delta DC-8-51 at the Atlanta airport....as a teenager I loved "plane chasing" with my camera. I was very impressed with the first class lounge. The sparkley curtains for the windows, indirect, warm lighting etc. I fell in love with this beautiful plane immediately. Too bad those photos are lost.
You are welcome. That must have been something. Sadly, few airliners get preserved (while military get preserved often in multiple numbers). But even less do early jetliner cabins get preserved. Though of course most have long since been refitted before retirement. I'm actually trying to push this country to save the sole remaining DC-8 - which was our first jet airliner. for the most isolated nation in the world, this was a quantum leap in not only aviation, but social and cultural history.
(Below message for the one who refers to the DC-8 as ugly etc, but it's appeared in wrong spot) DC-8 was described rightly in an Airways magazine as a thoroughbred. Not only a looker, but with a performance and durability unmatched, as the years have proven. Thanks for posting all these, great! I only ever saw one of the Air NZ DC-8's which remained as a freigther, and in the 80s, it was the only Air NZ jet turning a profit. It won the 1987 Singapore - Christhurch Air Race by a long margin.
Thanks for the quote from Airways. "Thoroughbred" is a perfect description for the DC-8. The "ideal" airliner: sleek, graceful, and a well-proven workhorse over decades.
Yes, the DC-8's track record is impressive, yet unsung, and reached an era when they have even outlasted the planes intended to replace them! And of course on May 30 just gone, it was the 50th anniversary of the maiden flight of 'Ship One', the DC-8 prototype. Incredibly, this very historic aicraft was still at Marana in the new millenium. But in 2001, she was scrapped! An act of travesty as some place would have preserved her.
Ugly?? I'm sure when you are the same age as this plane, you won't look so graceful as it does. I wonder if next you think Concorde is ugly as well...
Look at the date on the video. This was over 20 years ago. Production finished in 1973, and JAL hasn't used DC-8s for a long time. In fact there are only a handful of the total of 556 DC-8s built flying now, almost all carrying cargo.
they are old yeh. but as long as they pass the CAA test then they can still fly. no not jsut in japan. i work as an aircraft handler at an RAF base in england, and we get one of these in pretty much every day. civilian air cargo company. from peru i believe.
Yeh, these aicraft represent an era in travel not found today, the windows are quite large compared to a Boeing. Note also ther good space between windows, and seats corresponded. alas I have never had the chance to fly on one.
amazing video!!
FlightsimHD1 5 months ago
I love how each engine 'screams' before starting!!
JPetroSS 5 months ago
@JPetroSS Thats actually huffer blowing compressed air to turn the engines..
AccessAir 1 day ago
2:37 is my favorite part
LouisSirens 6 months ago
DC-8と言えば鶴丸と思っていたのですが、
JAAのマークも似合いますね。
keikyu2100doars 7 months ago
This was a "low" start. You can hear the start cart fire up and the rpm surge when the output air is switched on and thus delivering air to the DC-8 for the air starters.
mytmousemalibu 7 months ago
I always liked the DC-8 more than the 707 or 720
mekydro 7 months ago
@mekydro I agree. I grew up flying on DC-8's, like this one here with the JT-3D-3B turbofans.
65rock4ever 2 weeks ago
amazing long!
TheBL5 7 months ago
i had the privilage to fly on one of these vancouver to calgary quite a while ago and on a CPair DC8 strech vancouver to toronto and then on to montreal back in the summer of 1978
bernard240vdc 9 months ago
It's like a scream from a banshee! If hearing that doesn't send a shiver down your spine, nothing will!
uncaringbear 1 year ago
@uncaringbear its still a beautifull sound i wish i could hear one today instead of those boring a320s
hargohargo2 11 months ago 3
@hargohargo2 It's so sad that more and more of these beautiful classic airliners get retired every year. I can't remember the last time I saw one of these here down under.
uncaringbear 11 months ago
@uncaringbear i know and the dc8 is such a beautifull old girl her and the connie i would love to see in real life.
hargohargo2 11 months ago
この音！このDC8のエンジン始動音！最高です！
TheAirliner1969 1 year ago
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Engines as they should be ---- >>>> straight, powerful and noisy
Rudi146 1 year ago
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Rudi146 1 year ago
"Gentlemen, I will now fly." ...Wilbur Wright, 1908
Hawaiifive01 1 year ago
I was a ramp agent for Delta for over 15 years. These engine/starters would put the fear of God in you when you were standing next to them when they hit the starter.
Even with the best ear protection your ears were damaged beyond repair.
VERY loud airplane... and a pain to load and unload....
ctxflyer 1 year ago
@ctxflyer do you remeber the old bac111,s ? they were sooo noisy i used to listen to them take off from dublin airport in ireland when i was a kid, aer lingus had a few of them and they had to put silencers on their engines at a cost of a million pounds each back in the 1980s. but oh my god were they loud machines.
hargohargo2 11 months ago
I thought the High/low starter was only on #3.
thehemikid 1 year ago
Time flies, so it seems. Once the sound of these nice TD-3D's could be heared at EHAM as well when KLM still used their DC-8-5 and 6 a/c. The howl was always the proof of the fact a DC-8 was ready to go flying.....I flew o/b DC-8's of KLM and Finnair and loved the confort o/b.
Lasa328 1 year ago
She is beautiful. An aircraft with character, unlike the stuff with have today.
1100HondaCB 1 year ago
i had the honour of flying that machine as a first officer way way back when i was a young man of 28 she was and always will be very special to me.
ratsratsrats100 1 year ago
Great startup sound, thanks for posting!
FrankClautier 1 year ago
Wow, that's neat. I remember as a kid flying a DL DC8-50... And I have lost count of the DC9's I have flown on...
Heck, NW still flies DC9-50's (Delta now).
Douglas sure knew how to build 'em.
No wonder pilots call it the Diesel Nine...
Tay651 2 years ago
Used to fly on UAL from the mainland to Lihue years ago. Always the best in the air.
rankin383 2 years ago
My favorite acft,ever what a great looking plane glad i had the chance to fly on one back in the day
Turksonbass 2 years ago
What a great sound! Brings back great memories of trips with my Dad.
KauaiGolfer1 2 years ago
The howl you hear at the initation of an engine start on this acft is because this acft has a high/low starting system. If a ground cart is not available for engine start, crew use output from high pressure onboard tanks to the "hi" side of the engine starters to spin the engines high enuff in RPM to light-off the combustor and complete the start. System was used on some DC-8s and B707s.
diwiggins 2 years ago 15
@diwiggins
I heard this as a kid watching KLM DC-8-50's, but it has taken me more than 45 years to learn about the reason for this unique sound feature....Thanks!!
PeterNGloor 1 year ago
@diwiggins Thanks for the explanation of the "howling". I had just surmised it was the Air Genies!
verstengenericks 1 year ago
Older series DC-8s were an incredible ride for us fortunate passengers. The -70 series upgrades almost turned these beasts into 737-300s.... all the soul was gone. Wonder if original DC-8-50's and -60's can still be spotted in Miami?
abramsmm 2 years ago
only one -60F is left... sadly soon to be replaced by a 757
aescobar32 2 years ago
the only thing is that with the -70 upgrade you get 20-30% more thrust on about 1/2 the fuel. It's a no brainer!
buster757 2 years ago
Sweet Music,love the sound of 40psi turning the turbines!
schnellguy 3 years ago
Thank you for the video of this beautiful plane, a much welcome relief from the boring 2 engine bloated wing mounted or flimsy T- tail engine planes used today.
sketchyinc 3 years ago 2
Do DC-8's have onboard APU?
n310ea 3 years ago
No.
Patrickisreallygreat 3 years ago
I hate the huge windows of the DC-8s. Make them look much smaller than they are. Otherwise a sleek aircraft, esp the super 60s.
trent8002003 3 years ago
fabolous noise!
metroliner2 3 years ago
かつて「空の貴婦人」と呼ばれた8－61、勿論、現在は国内にて機材保有登録も無く大変貴重なVIDEOですね。VLV OPENされTURBINEがSTARTを開始する際のそれは、正にENGの生命力を感じます。JT3D-TBJ ENG独特の息吹です。HYDやELCでは成せないPNEUMATIC PWRの象徴です。クラッシックなENGですが、私はこのアナログ的なSOUNDが大好きです。最高です！
Thank you for up load.～☆☆☆☆☆
foxtyo 3 years ago
lovely sound!
antiigua 3 years ago
I worked for Airborne Express in 2000-2003 now DHL/ABXair, and at ths time we had 2 61 sieries still in filght, there was talk of refitting them, tails 845AX and 850AX respectively, with the JT3D-7 engines, but sadly the company bought several 767's that were noisier and guzzled more fuel than those two ladies ever did, last I heard after I left, they were removed from service and sat on the scrap line awating engine removal and for the wreckers to come for them,May they continue to fly forever
kovu86 3 years ago 2
I gave 11 yrs (90-01)to ABX too, and recovered 853AX from junk in Paraguay in '95, where I did my last runup and taxi on a 61. The howl sound is actually created by a short 90 deg elbow downstream of the start valve on the left side. You can also hear the howl just prior to start valve closing. Notice that the howl is not the same for each engine. It sounded better upstairs. The howl is not present on the 62/63 series because the elbow was not installed on the -7 engine. Forever live my DC8s!
rwmag49 3 years ago 2
今と比べるとエンジンが細い！！
japan8931 3 years ago
Beautiful DC-8. Most airliners today lack the grace of this glorious machine. Love the large windows and elegantly contoured nose.
coolspindrift 3 years ago
I can't agree with you more on that remark, coolspindrift especially as regards the contours of the nose, such a class and style. Though I prefer the series 50, as the 61 and 63 series seem a little long out of proportion. None-the-the-less, it showed how the '8 could be developed, this and the 63 enjoyed being the world's largest jetliner until the 747 appeared on the scene. In some ways, the DC-8 has beaten the 707.
Pullisto 3 years ago
Thanks for your comments Pulisto. I remember in the mid 1970s, back in the day when you could, look into the interiour of a Delta DC-8-51 at the Atlanta airport....as a teenager I loved "plane chasing" with my camera. I was very impressed with the first class lounge. The sparkley curtains for the windows, indirect, warm lighting etc. I fell in love with this beautiful plane immediately. Too bad those photos are lost.
coolspindrift 3 years ago
You are welcome. That must have been something. Sadly, few airliners get preserved (while military get preserved often in multiple numbers). But even less do early jetliner cabins get preserved. Though of course most have long since been refitted before retirement. I'm actually trying to push this country to save the sole remaining DC-8 - which was our first jet airliner. for the most isolated nation in the world, this was a quantum leap in not only aviation, but social and cultural history.
Pullisto 3 years ago
Wonderful! Viva DC8's!!!
jgoudeau207 3 years ago
Great video! The DC-8's kicked major ass
IdealistDreamer 3 years ago
That is one hell of a haunting sound, almost primevil, but wonderful.
adrenachrome05 3 years ago
(Below message for the one who refers to the DC-8 as ugly etc, but it's appeared in wrong spot) DC-8 was described rightly in an Airways magazine as a thoroughbred. Not only a looker, but with a performance and durability unmatched, as the years have proven. Thanks for posting all these, great! I only ever saw one of the Air NZ DC-8's which remained as a freigther, and in the 80s, it was the only Air NZ jet turning a profit. It won the 1987 Singapore - Christhurch Air Race by a long margin.
Pullisto 3 years ago
Thanks for the quote from Airways. "Thoroughbred" is a perfect description for the DC-8. The "ideal" airliner: sleek, graceful, and a well-proven workhorse over decades.
chronos624 3 years ago
Yes, the DC-8's track record is impressive, yet unsung, and reached an era when they have even outlasted the planes intended to replace them! And of course on May 30 just gone, it was the 50th anniversary of the maiden flight of 'Ship One', the DC-8 prototype. Incredibly, this very historic aicraft was still at Marana in the new millenium. But in 2001, she was scrapped! An act of travesty as some place would have preserved her.
Pullisto 3 years ago
Ugly?? I'm sure when you are the same age as this plane, you won't look so graceful as it does. I wonder if next you think Concorde is ugly as well...
Pullisto 3 years ago
Look at the date on the video. This was over 20 years ago. Production finished in 1973, and JAL hasn't used DC-8s for a long time. In fact there are only a handful of the total of 556 DC-8s built flying now, almost all carrying cargo.
ihmcallister 3 years ago
The most wonderful sound in the world...
denberg2 4 years ago
That sound is so cool! Thanks for sharing.
N53614 4 years ago
I never thought I'd hear that sound again! I'm so glad I found this video!
coastal1010 4 years ago
Wonderful!! What a sound...that air cart is SO retro!!
cheetajet 4 years ago
they are old yeh. but as long as they pass the CAA test then they can still fly. no not jsut in japan. i work as an aircraft handler at an RAF base in england, and we get one of these in pretty much every day. civilian air cargo company. from peru i believe.
LiamTucker 4 years ago
yes. i have to to deal with them pretty much every other day
LiamTucker 4 years ago
Nothing Like the sound of 4 Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3 turbojets, AKA "the turbo wasp", coming to life with the help from an airstart cart.
kovu86 4 years ago
What exactly causes the "howl" sound on start-up? Does anyone know?
synthuser 3 years ago
It's an air start unit that supplies air to start angine.
maplemanz 3 years ago
That is the start valve opening causing the compressed air from the start cart to start spinning the turbine for start
Dc-8 fe
dc8heavy 3 years ago
by the way those are Jt3B-3B engines capable of 16000lbs of thrust.. each
dc8heavy 3 years ago
I love DC-8, just classic. And those BIG passenger windows...
archietherobot 4 years ago
I was about to comment about the windows...lol really big!
patrickcramer 4 years ago
Yeh, these aicraft represent an era in travel not found today, the windows are quite large compared to a Boeing. Note also ther good space between windows, and seats corresponded. alas I have never had the chance to fly on one.
Pullisto 3 years ago
those start up "howls" are quite unique!
stevelegrand 4 years ago
Very nice start up sound, are you a japanese spotter?
EDDLspotter 4 years ago