Mrs. CONNALLY: Yes and it seemed to me there was--he (JFK) made no utterance, no cry. I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face,and he just sort of slumped down.
Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned...
Mr. SPECTER: How many (shots) did you hear in all?
Mrs. CONNALLY: I heard three.The third shot that I heard I felt,tissue...brain tissue,...all over us....
Yes, they missed the throat. Also the embalmer and both FBI agents who were there during autopsy put the bullet lower between the shoulder blades (they saw this and took notes).
John Connally and his wife both said the single bullet theory didn't work. They said there were THREE different bullets that entered the car: two into the president and one into Connally (they were in the car so I give them top knowledge ). FBI agents still said the magic bullet was fantasy.
Another pile of crap. Like the Myers animation, they shifted Connally further right that he actually was sitting. The exit wound as others have pointed out doesn't match the actual exit wound near the adams apple. These idiots who are trying to prove the bullet passed through both men never address that Connally a few days later said the first shot hit Kennedy and he was hit when he turned, or the fact that Connally was holding his hat, after Kennedy was clearly hit by the bullet.
I am so grateful to the guys who made this for proving that a hit in the back from 60 feet up DOES NOT exit anywhere near the throat. Thanks guys now hurry up and do the headshot and prove a bullet fired from behind and right and 60 feet up CANNOT enter a skull then turn right and up to exit.
on the model but look about 2 inches below the throath and a little to the right ,now you see the exit hole . remember he hit the back in about the right spot (see the autopsy photos ) but the bullet exits on the upper chest about an inch left of center ,now we see why the likes of myers has to place connally 6 inches inboard when really he was no more than 2.25 inches inboard .
into part 2 of the video ,this is the last 2 seconds of the video . look at the model to the right of the guy with the brown shirt ,in the throath near the adams apple area you see a red mark the same as they placed on the back of the model .the red mark on the back was in the wrong position (but the shooter missed it and struck at about the correct point ) but the red mark on the throath is in the correct position . now look again ,theres no exit hole in the throath in the adams apple area----
who was always moving away from him and leftward ,the shooter in the video didnt have to reload or re aim so this cant really be considered an accurate representation .also the bullet hole on the connally model is to far to the left (even they guy in the video says roughly in the right area) it should be higher and nearer the arm pit area ,at about the point where the back and side meet . anyone notice they dont show the point of exit on the jfk model ,have a look at 5 minutes and 18 seconds --
all tho the red line indicating the trajectory of the bullet through the jfk model is correct its noticable that when it meets the connaly models back it bends slightly upward ,and so the red line is actually above the entry point on the connally model and not in line with the entry point . the other thing here is if oswald is the killer for the first shot a tree was in his way and so they say the fist shot missed ,oswald then has to recycle his rifle and re aim at jfk ---------------
the red mark they put on the jfk models back is in the wrong place ,its to high and its a lot further to the right than it actually was ,see the autopsy photos .also i bet from looking that the shooters rifle and scope that they are of far higher quality then the cheap rifle in the archives. also the shooter fired at a stationary object ,and jfks limo all tho moving slowly was never stationary .the shooter missed the red spot but where he hit is pretty close to where jfk actually was wounded---
excuse me but the warren comission stated that the wound in the throat was one of exit! even with your biased measurements you proved the single bullet theory is a hoax! can we say fairly that your bullet exited the chest! i dont remember a chest wound! i cant believe you thought you proved something! and it seemed that you had kennedy a little to much higher than gov. connally! but that point is mute! dude your bullet came out jfk's chest! thank you for disproving the magic bullet theory!
You can see from the side view of the shot that it exits Kennedy's chest, not the throat. The claim that they perfectly replicated the supposed shot is fraudulent, therefore it's a bogus test. Why? Because the throat wound was an entrance wound. You'll never get a shot fired from that high up hitting that far down the back that exits in the throat.
Only reason it didn't stick in the leg here is because that bit acting as the wrist was to thick its only 2 bones init and the skin is fuck all to bullet so maybe if they made a thinner wrist it would of worked.. Fuck knows
No amount of evidence or just common sense will ever convince conspiracy nuts that Oswald committed this crime all by himself.He even used the same rifle in a previous assassination attempt but that doesn't faze them in the least.
Even with all of this propaganda to prove the Magic Bullet, they still couldn't replicate the throat wound. I like how they showed all of the wounds except the throat wound.
Ruffly, all the settting's and other mesurment's and ruffley ? anything, to get people to view it right, take your finding's and do something that will open a proper investigation, with world class professionals that can duplicate your finding's and start at the SS and all the way through to Johnson and all the classified Material classed as National secutity record's. Then maybe the the Family's of the accused will go to trial & case closed. but that will never happen will it mate.
At 0:39 he climbs 60 ft. up to the exact height of TSBD 6th floor but notice they dont say exact angle. If anything they are shooting from Dal-Tex bldg. This is another LN sales pitch using junk science. Anyone who buys this is not thinking for themselves. They will never replicate the single bullet from the TSBD cause it cant be done hence the magic bullet. It would have to change directions in midair just as CT's have always said. YOU CAN'T SHOOT FROM RIGHT TO LEFT AND BULLET GO RIGHT!
@Ebeneezerable This only proves that if single bullet is true then magic bullet is certainly true. Why is this so hard for reasonably thinking people to logically understand? Guess I was wrong is hard to say even in the face of evidence like this. They just disproved the magic bullet and yet they are convinced ($?) that they proved it. They are shooting from the Dal-Tex building for crying out loud.
They say the autopsy shows the bullet wound on JFK's shoulder. Not true. Or rather which one? The original autopsy showed the back wound five inches down. Also the sniper was shooting straight on. This would have had to be a shot from Dal-Tex or other building directly behind not to the right as the TSBD was. They have only proved that the single bullet could not have come from an angle commensurate with the TSBD. This is an exercise in futility just as the WC's predetermined research. Jnk sci.
This video must be mental torture for conspiracy fruit loops. It missed the throat because he hit slightly lower than Oswald, and they didn't account for the way Kennedy's posture was hunched more forward. I love the comments in here, it's fucking hysterical. Sort of like when all those "Sasquatologists" figured out they had been studying a film of a drunken hillbilly in a gorilla suit all these years. After the redneck in the suit came forward and admitted it was all bullshit.
@frankdrebin no, this comment is hysterical. considering 2/3's of americans believe a conspiracy behind it also, but no frankdrebin (cool name love that film btw haha) 1 man can some how kill the president launch his body backwards when the bullet hits him from BEHIND. oh also, entry is small exit is large when a bullet hits so in the zapruder film why is JFK's posterior part of the cranium blown out when it should be his anterior if it came from behind? seriously, know your stuff pal
@Guerillaradio13 Well, you're wrong. JFK actually goes forward in frames 312 to 313 (time of impact) of the zapruder film. Then snaps back likely due to the release of energy from his head. Or, simply could have had a neuromuscular spasm due to the right side of his brain being confetti. 70% of the American public believe conspiracy, imagine that. Because 90% of what is written or in films is pro-conspiracy. People have to make a living you know. 50 years, no bigfoot on grassy knoll yet.
@frankdrebin so you believe everything that joke of a government says? hmm, no nukes found in iraq! please, forward? are you blind? 312 his body goes in a slight backwards motion, as in someone has given someone a shock/surprise and they "Jump". so you believe the fact that 1 bullet hit 7 different locations on 2 people, hitting bone and cartilage and that 1 bullet wasnt even dented yet along had chips out of it despite a mass of a bullet was found in Connolly's wrist? come on buddy wake up
@Guerillaradio13 Ever actually read the Warren Commission volumes? Doubt it. Ever read the HSCA? In 50 years not a shred of evidence has surfaced of another shooter. Where are the bullets from the 2nd shooter? And that bullet was almost completely flattened, why it did all that damage and didn't fragment? Because it slowed down after going through JFK, and began to tumble. Why would someone plant a bullet when they didn't know what other evidence would be found? Duh.
@Guerillaradio13 Every bullet and fragment found came from Oswald's rifle at the exclusion of all other rifles. Fragments found in Connolly and seen in xrays corresponds to what is missing from the bullets core. We're talking tiny specs. Had JFK been hit from the knoll at a low trajectory, he'd have a wound on the left rear of his head somewhere. But yeah, I'm the one who's crazy. Whatever you say there, straight jacket.
@frankdrebin yeah you are the one who's crazy, ive just finished a 9-5 doing forensics all day whilst youve been writing a comment to reply to me about saying how HONEST the us government is in such situations as this. fucking MORON, if i repeat of the evidence said (which you obviously dont believe as you believe the bull of the warren commission) youll just have a cry and say how proud you are of your government so whatever pal get you head out of your ass
@Guerillaradio13 You work in forensics and want to ignore all the indisputable forensic evidence I just threw in your face? Our government has thing called oversight, go read a/b it when you're done w/ your fictitious forensics job w/ Scooby and Shaggy. Say hi to Daffney for me. Like I thought, you never even read the WC, but call it bull. Clear sign of intelligence there, crazy train. Why so angry? Does it get itchy in a straight jacket, or?
@frankdrebin judging also by your comments on your profile it looks like you have no friends, whatever cunt stop wasting my time now and go fuck yourself
@Guerillaradio13 Wow, you sure know how to hurt a guy's internet feelings. That and make arguments you can't win. You looked at my profile? I didn't know I had one, so thanks! I'll send some fluoride for your teeth! Then can we be internet pals? I bet you have lots of those, huh? lol
@frankdrebin na i just checked it to see if youre this much of an ignorant arsehole to other people and looks like you are. and worried about your internet credibility? get a life
@Guerillaradio13 LOL @ internet credibility. You want me to get a life, you're the one who looked at my profile you fuckin banana head. Is it that easy to anger you? I like the brits. First time a girl gave up her ass to me she was a brit. Took it like a champ, was amazing. Do you have any sisters?
"Some of the Secret Service agents thought the gunfire, however, was from an automatic weapon, fired from the right rear of the chief executive's car, possibly from a grassy knoll, and that's that knoll to which motorcycle policemen were seen racing and where the huddled figures of a man and a woman were seen huddled on the ground with a crowd surrounding them. Which suggests of course, that this, perhaps, is where the shots came from."-Walter Cronkite, less than 20 minutes after the shooting.
Great video - actually supports the point that the 'magic' bullet was not fired from the TSBD, as the trajectory is all wrong as shown in the film. Simply freeze frame at 2:17 and you can clearly see the red line path of the bullet actually exits around the chest area of the JFK torso and not the throat where the autopsy states there was a minor wound...
I don't deny that the SBT is not plausible, but this video clip basically said it all in the beginning: "using the precise location, identified in the autopsy". So if the autopsy findings were faked, which I believe that they were, then this theory means absolutely nothing.
@samfitzy8 frame 307 proves the Greer shinny chrome 45 is really there. You see the shell ejector port in the middle of the slide. NOW we all know that Greer was one of the assassins.
LOL. When you think about it, the JFK assassination turned out to be like the standard book murder mystery case, where on the last page you find out "The Butler Did It".
Sorry...it needs to be said again...the magic bullet passed through JFK's throat, right where the clavicles join the sternum....that is where the tracheotomy was also performed.....this shot is clearly well bellow that anatomical point.
If this is indeed the case..this has to rate as the most monumental waste of time and money privately spent on this re-creation....
It is stunningly misguided......never mind that no compensation for the movement of the vehicle was introduced..
Bullets don't always go straight once they hit something. You cannot always replicate a shot no matter how hard you try. Oswald shot and killed Kennedy.
This experiment means dick-all. The original bullet exited Kennedy's throat. This bullet exited all the way down near his nipple line. Either their measurements are severely off, or there was a shot that hit him in the back, back of the neck, and head. That's three for those who are counting. From that angle, how does a bullet that enters near his shoulder blade exit in the middle of his throat?
I think people are missing the forrest for the trees. Now, some perspective. The experiment was not intended to recreate 100% the shot, but to get it as close as possible to the original shot. The recreation was intended to demontrate that such a shot is possible.
The documentary proved that it was possible. If you want to argue that in was a cu** hair too much to the left or to the right, then you failed to grasp the point.
The intent was to re-create the "Magic Bullet "trajectory..it even says that in the title.
The bullet was deemed to be magic as it exited JFKs throat at the collar level and suddenly dropped down by up to 5"-8" to be able to enter Connolly's back...
In this attempt.they completely failed.
Of course anyone can climb a cherry picker and take an "approximate" shot..there is no value in that what so ever in disproving the paradox trajectory of the bullet.
i think they have made more test then this particular that are proving shooter from the depository and that the teory of one bullet was right,but about the trajectory wrong.i believe the conspiracy about kennedy is mostly debunked.
I think that if one looks ONLY at TSBD and Oswald..and WC then anything can be argued successfully..
However, there are quite a few probability models that challenge the peripheral events.
it is always easy to debunk if debunking one event at a time...try debunking 50-60 events TOGETHER...in an interrelated way as it happened with JFK..nobody does it.
all the guys just focus on Oswald / magic bullet /..the rest of it is never adequately addressed.
@zeroceiling i ll watch that,but what i saw until now is either pointing Oswald or have some major flaw.i know that WC report is problematic in many ways, bu still only one with any sort of hard evidence.you can always argue,that various thinks had been forged, but with this assumption there no case at all.after all huge plot is usually not operational and small plot including some lunatics instead of one make no difference.can you direct me to some probability model? i am courious.
to much maths for me as its midnight here, but i ll check it out. first coming to my mind, you dont have normal distrubution at all, at least half of those witnesses are police,army,secret service - risk occupations(and the risk works here as a pattern)i dont understand here exactly the unatural death concept.i am pretty sure there is some methodological error in this stats.i ll check out and let you know.
well I dont disagree that the police were over-represented in terms of the WC list...there were however.. many ordinary folks...
a normal un-natural death rate should have been 1-2 over that period of time..not 15!!
But there is no mystery in terms of risky occupation over-representation, all the people that died are well identified (including names, occupation, domicile and manner of death).right in google
.... in fact there are virtually no police on the list from what I recall.
@zeroceiling ok,it was jut an example, but its not normal distribution in population in many ways.i am going to thin ice here,but from a brief reading, i know many of those unatural deaths are at least badly interpreted.i still not believe there can be such a large plot,its not about hte secret, its about people making mistakes, selfish decissions and so on.good example of this is assasination of heydrich.
and one moreidea, have anyone realized, that if there was a plote on the institutional level, it was much much easier to get rid off kennedy simply trough information campaign. i would do that.and if i had a luxury of any imaginable tool for the kill, i choose much less riskier way, even if i decide to shoot him in dallas.
and one last,half of theese unatural deaths are related to ruby.first,there is no way this guy is a hitman or he was a brilliant actor his whole life. and he indeed lived in the world of petty crime where unatural death is less unatural.i ll come back,when find more,midnight in central europe.
Nevim presne o cem mluvis..Warren Commission byla celkem bez velke influence Rubyho...
mluvime ciste o tom ze z 500 lidi zhruba 1 clovjek v prubjehu roku by mnel umrit (un-natural smrt) z normalniho vybreru ciste pod pravidla probability (chance).
mito jednoho clovjeka..byl sepsan celi list 15 lidi ktery byly na vyslechu Warren Commission..a jak jsem rek pred tim..bul to prumnerni prurez obcanstvi atd.
Statisticky to nedava rozum
uz jsem nepsal cesky od 10 let stary...tak holt chyby.
your czech is fantastic, believe me.i found some list of unatural deaths surrounding WC.at least five of those unaturaly death people are from around ruby, who is for me not possible as a hitman, i mena from his profile as a person.and its not normal distribution, its the normal distribution of people who went watch kennedy that day, its not normal distribution.and still dont know which cospiracy version you believe. ale s tou češtinou jsi mě fakt hodně překvapil.
I have no problem agreeing that the shot is possible......its the quality and the outcome of the shot that is under debate...
One HUGE problem you have with this mock-up is the "angle at which the shot entered JFK's back and exited...well bellow the famous throat exit..
That shot could also be replicated of course but the angle would have to be (more acute).. congruent with a 3rd floor window (or so)..and not be as obtuse as the one from the 6th floor...
There is one factor that these people have failed to include in their experiment, and please kindly correct me if I am wrong.
BUT DIDN'T THE BULLET ALSO HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THE BACK REST OF THE CHAIR THAT CONNALLY WAS SITTING IN, BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO ENTER HIS BODY?
Think about that when you see the bullet fired from the same model of rifle that Oswald is supposed to have used, exit the ballistic gel of the second manikan, and not have enough kinetic energy to enter the "thigh".
@StephenWilliamsPhoto Well, there is no actual way to recreate anything like this 100% other than jumping in a time machine and seeing Oswald doing it again. The actual bullet that hit Connally didn't penetrate deep into his thigh anyways, and that's why it fell out, confirming that at that point the bullet had spent most of its velocity and thus, energy. As far as the seat goes, the back rest didn't reach high enough to interfere with the bullet's path.
There is one factor that these people have failed to include in their experiment, and please kindly correct me if I am wrong.
BUT DIDN'T THE BULLET ALSO HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THE BACK REST OF THE CHAIR THAT CONNALLY WAS SITTING IN, BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO ENTER HIS BODY?
Think about that when you see the bullet fired from the same model of rifle that Oswald is supposed to have used, exit the ballistic gel of the second manikan, and not have enough kinetic energy to enter the "thigh".
@MrZakouch Well, about 25% of us know it was Oswald. The other 75% can't make up their mind whether it was 2,3,4,.....15 shooters. Whether JFK was hit by a poison dart, whether mindless automatons a-la-Manchurian Candidate shot him, whether the limo driver shot him, or whether Jackie pulled out a Derringer out of her bra and blew his brains out.
@MrZakouch His reasons appear to be more ideological than practical. He didn't dislike Kennedy the human being, but as President, Kennedy was essentially the manifestation of a US Government and US capitalism that he did hate. In his mind, it was not personal. Oswald had a very high opinion of himself, and he romanticized about being a revolutionary like Fidel Castro or Che Guevara in Cuba. In his mind, assassinating Kennedy could make him a revolutionary and give him power to change the US.
@MrZakouch Yeah, it did backfire. You are correct.Well, at first, he left the school book depository and made his was back to his apartment. He picked up his gun and minutes later a cop stopped him on the street because he looked suspicious. Oswald panicked and killed the policeman. He then tried to sneak in without paying into a movie theater and hide there. This was reported to the police, and when the police tried to arrest him, he tried to shoot another cop but was subdued and arrested.
Two days after being arrested, Jack Ruby, a bar owner in Dallas, got close enough to Oswald as he was being transfered to a different location. Ruby opened fire on Oswald and killed him. Ruby was by all means a fiery character and people who knew him used to call him "Sparky" because of his fiery temper. Some people think that Ruby was killing Oswald on behalf of the mafia to shut him up, but Ruby stated numerous times that he loved the Kennedy's, became enraged and shot Oswald by himself.
First..anecdotal "stories " about a persons character traits is most often based on many interpretations and usually wrong.
Take a look at Ruby's every day existence for not just years but decades..
I can assure you that in his mob ridden environment...impulsive..highly excitable individuals last about a week..before someone either gets pissed off and gets rid of them...or the concern over their lack of "cool"..also causes a quick exit.
@zeroceiling : I think it's great how you discredit anecdotal stories about a person's character, even if the person giving the anecdote is Ruby himself. Then your counter arguement is an anecdote : "I can assure that short tempered people in the mob last about a week, before someone gits rid of them" Who the fuck are you, John Gotti? You haven't got the common sense that god gave a tangerine. fag
it completely ignores the first deviation the magic bullet makes, which is the upward turn it makes from the back entry to the throat exit.
not one clip shows the bullet exiting Kennedy's throat, which, if you look closely at 2:16, shows the bullet exiting his chest somewhere. even the placement of the cameras seems to be specifically set up so that the bullet exiting Kennedy can't be seen clearly.
what about hard bones, what about the windscreen and the fact jfks head was blown off from the front!! stupid discovery style non sense, jfks secret society speech says it all, ohhhh no the president was a conspiracy theorist they 'd probably say even though he'd seen everything after all
@NICOROSAS98 No need for the name callin lol im just on here telling what ive studied for myself. Ive done plenty of extinsive research on this topic too so the fact that i spelled NECK wrong is completely irrelevent to this conversation. Im not into tryina talk crazy over youtube, im just interested in accurate rebutals about the information in this video thats all.
@DH1986 The ones whose sole hypothesized motive was infany would be more likely. The ones that take a photo of themselves with two Communist newspapers and three guns might.
This test bullet exits Kennedy's chest, nowhere near his throat. Proof that the downward angle from the book depository was too steep to exit Kennedy's throat. Notice how nobody in this video even showed the exit would to Kennedy close up? The only thing this video does is confirm a conspiracy. At that angle, to get the bullet to exit Kennedy's throat, it would have to enter much higher. Morons.
@ElevenMileRecords The point of the video was not to demonstrate that a single bullet could cause all that damage and wind up outside of GovC's body without being totally annihilated. The video flat-out debunks the myth that the bullet was "magic."
It does looks like JFK's exit wound was lower than it should've been (although I haven't seen enough to confirm this). Even so, this doesn't "confirm" there was a conspiracy -- it may simply be due to the JFK torso not having the correct posture.
@ElevenMileRecords You are not as smart as you think you are, Just because they didn't hit the exact spot Oswald hit, doesn't prove a conspiracy. all that means is that it's near impossible to replicate sniper shots like that. Look at the 3D models they used to trace the bullet's path. not only does it trace a line right to Oswald's location, but it matches up with the "magic bullet" thoery. Do some research first bud. Don't get all your info from biased videos created by paranoid nutjobs.
People always to forget the part that the exit wound was in Kennedy's throat and not in his chest. Try explaining how a bullet traveling at a downward angle can enter a man's upper back and exit his throat. They should also get the same guy to fire 3 shots from that rifle in under 6 seconds at a moving target and hit that torso 2/3 times. Also have the target accelerate after his first shot.
1. The sniper had 8.x secs to make the shots, not 6 secs.
2. The point of the video was not to demonstrate whether a single shooter could make the shots, but rather that a single bullet could cause all that damage and wind up outside of GovC's body without being totally annihilated. The video flat out debunks the myth that the bullet was "magic."
"single bullet theory, as laid out in the Warren Commission Report and the HSCA report, is indeed feasible and correct. " So the autopsy photographs are false!?!?
They show an exit wound from kennedy`s throat, not his chest.
Very strange indeed. Most interesting find:) So who is in the autopsy photo`s?
Also, the bullet DOES NOT exit Kennedy's throat, it exits his chest. The makers of this video make no attempt to show us the point the bullet exits Kennedy. What a load of garbage. To prove to us that the SBT is correct they should have shown Kennedys throat wound. Also, they should have put a coat and shirt on Connolly and made the entrance hole on the garments 1.5cm, just like it says in the W/C, then that would be way more convincing.
In deed they were able to show one shot from the back could do damage. So they were almost able to prove a false truth under controlled circumstances. The original wound was 1.5cm on Connollys back and the holes in his shirt and coat were 1.5cm. To absolutely duplicate what the W/C says happened, they should have put a coat and shirt on Connolly and make the holes in the garments 1.5cm, THEN make the wound in his back 3cm, Also the bullet needs to exit Kennedys throat.
Well, to expect to perfectly duplicate the exact yaw of the bullet as it passes through Kennedy and Connally is totally unreasonable. Fact is, its going to be different every time. Sometimes the bullet will hit nose on, sometimes it will hit base on, sometimes it will be at varying degrees of tilt.
No shot is going to be identical, 100%.
Remember, once that bullet enters kennedy, it starts tumbling. Its tumbling around somewhat randomly.
I realize this. But for the "Magic Bullet" to work in the W/C scenario it HAS to tumble greatly so it enters Connolly's pretty much on its side, and the side of the bullet breaks the rib and wrist bones. If the nose hits bone (glancing or otherwise) there will be damage to the nose. Since there is no damage to the nose, it would enter mostly on its side creating larger holes than what were in Connollys clothes. Therefore Spectors SBT falls apart.
If it hit base first I would think the mushrooming of that bullet would be on the base of it then. There is no mushrooming on the base. Nor is there any bone scaring or tissue on the bullet, base or on its side. So to make Spectors sbt , work the side of the bullet does the damage. But, the entrance wound in Connolly and his clothing are not large enough for this to happen.
By the time the bullet was in connally, it wasn't moving fast enough to mushroom. This core of these bullets is made out of a hardened lead alloy, wrapped in copper. its not like its a soft hollow point. It is designed not to mushroom, no matter which way it enters.
By the time the bullet was properly examined, god knows what happened to it. We know at the very least it fell out of connally's leg. If there was going to be any tissue on it, we would have had it just from that.
That is to say unless you want me to believe CE399 was deformed by some guy with a pair of pliers. It had to happen somehow, and if it was fired from a rifle, it hit something. Is it connally's wrist? Very Likely.
Not pliers LOL, that bullet is far more consistant with being shot into cotton wadding, than it is shattering 5cm of dense rib bone and breaking a dense wrist bone. To frame Oswald they had to tie a bullet to the rifle so ballistics experts could link that bullet to his rifle. How on earth does a bullet fall out of a wound back out of the hole in his pants? and not have blood, or tissue or fibers on it?
if you believe the evidence was fabricated, that is a whole different story.
I think that is definitely plausible, but I also think that the ballistics involved in the single bullet theory are also plausible. I also think that to varying degrees of "far fetchedness" the fact that there is no tissue or fibers on the bullet can also be explained.
it simply comes down to how much of the evidence and stuff do you want to believe.
Personally, I think Kennedy was indeed shot by a carcano rifle from the school book depository. Who exactly did it and why, I don't know. If Oswald's rifle the one used in the shooting? I don't know that either.
He may have been hit with a shot from a carcano, but we don't know. The investigation started with the premise that the shots came from the 6th floor, they started with that conclusion and made the evidence fit that conclusion. The S.S removed the crime scene (the limo), they removed the body, I'm not a detective, but is that how a murder investigation is done? I guess it very well is, IF, you want to hide the true facts.
At the time forensics wasn't that indepth. they most likely cleaned the bullet. Just like how they cleaned the car when they weren't suppose to (Secret service has no procedure for handling a crime scene. It's not there job or in there training). I could be wrong though but many have said the same thing about how they badly handled the loss of the man they're suppose to protect.
@Shinobubu at that time they did not have the necessary training but now yes the secret service can handle a crime scene with the best of them. Read the book "The President's Secret Service." It is pretty good insight from former agents and ones who were on the detail that day. it is frightening how ill-equipped they were back then. but now they are on top of it.
Actually we do not know for certain it fell out of his leg. Connolly himself said, while he was in the operating room, something fell on the floor and he remembers a nurse picking it up and putting it in her pocket. I do believe that bullet was a plant to link Oswalds rifle to the bullet. Also Thomlinson stated the bullet was discovered on a different stretcher than what Connolly was on, could he be wrong? Maybe. Could Connolly be wrong? Maybe.
Could the bullet make a 1.5cm hole in Kennedys clothing and Connollys clothing, make a 180 degree turn between the two men enter backwards at a slow enough speed to make it not mushroom, but still have enough velocity to shatter 5cm of rib bone cause a 5cm exit wound in Connolly's chest then break a wrist bone and then enter his thigh presumably nose first. then fall out that wound ,and out the hole in his pants and have no blood or tissue or fibers on it. Not very likely.
Well, the bullet certainly has the penetrating power. Even this test in this video, as imperfect as it is, shows the bullet from the carcano is capable of all that damage, even if the tumbling and refraction of its path can't be replicated.
FMJ ammo can do amazing things. I have seen a 7.62x51 NATO ball round penetrate 1/2 inch of mild steel. The recovered bullet looked almost "pristine" with 1 exception, the copper jacket was totally stripped off.
OK but have you seen the tests done by the W/C firing the same FMJ bullets that the carcano fires, breaking just a a rib bone ? There is numerous bullets that they used, they all look similar to each other, not 100 pct exact, but very similar. The velocity of the bullet is slowed to 1600fps, not one of them resemble the magic bullet, but every one of them resemble the other test bullets.
And we know by the size of the holes in Connollys clothing, and the original size of his back wound that the bullet was not tumbling, there may have been some yaw in it, however no where near enough to have the side of it do the damage. Therefore, the nose of the bullet would at the very least, have some damage to the nose as it strikes the rib. But there isn't any. I believe the bullet is a plant to firmly link it to the rifle. What do you believe?
I half way agree with you, but I still think the test in this video was a reasonable approximation of what might have happened.
if we had perfect Kennedy's and Connally's to shoot, we could bring them down to dallas and have a go at replicating that shot more accurately, but we cant for obvious reasons.
Well thx for half way agreeing, I think we both agree there is something more going on here, than what the investigators want us to know. Thx for the conversation today, enjoyed it...are you the real Bob Dole? Just joking I'm in Canada.
The bullet hole in Connolly's back measure 1.5 cm, it was made 3 cm AFTER Dr. Shaw, cleaned and debrided the wound. Spector says to Shaw, "Will u describe in as much detail as u can the wound in the posterior side of the Governor's chest." Dr. Shaw says,"This was a small wound prox. 1.5 cm, at its GREATEST DIAMETER, it was roughly eliptical." Volume IV pg 104 Warren Commission Hearings. The hole would be eliptical because it didnt enter him at a 90 degree angle, therefore the SBT, is B.S.
Shaw aso describes the wound as "a piercing wound". So the evidence from the Dr.s testimony would mean the bullet went in nose first, therefore, the nose of the bullet would have hit the rib shattering it, and obviously the pristine bullet DID NOT do this. So that means more than one shooter which then means CONSPIRACY.
Confirms my theory that the bullet was caught in Connally's hat after it exited his wrist - the thigh wound was caused by a fragment from the head shot.
Ok, so the pristine bullet (which in this clinically controlled trial is no where near as pristine as THE magic bullet) just winds up on the gurney? C'mon.
There are two points I would like to make, first is that I would have like to see the bullet wound in the neck to correctly determine if the bullet exited in the same place as the autopsy reports stated it was and the other is that, if the except is show certain that the bullet would have been more intact if it didnt hit two ribs, 4:46 why not redo the test and prove it rather give his opinion.
They proved that the magic bullet theory is scientificly plausible. It doesn't have to match the actual event in ever detail, it simply shows that yes, a bullet from a high powered riffle can do what the Warren Commission claimed.
This doesn't prove anything. Number one they don't use the same mdel rifle found in the depository and scope on the rifle much more advanced then the scope on the rifle found in the depository building. Number 2 they weren't shooting at a moving target. And number three they didn't show the wound o the JFK surragate which is a just as important as the Connely's wound. As recall from the JFK film, it's pointed out that Oswald wasn't a very good shot. The experiment doesn't proove jack.
2 minutes 18 seconds the bullet does not appear to exit jfk at about the area of the necktie. 2 minute 36 seconds amazingly Alex has replicated the magic bullet shot. Bullshit.
It was like 2,3 or 4 snipers
TheFarmor1 19 hours ago
Nellie's warren testimony:
Mrs. CONNALLY: Yes and it seemed to me there was--he (JFK) made no utterance, no cry. I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face,and he just sort of slumped down.
Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned...
Mr. SPECTER: How many (shots) did you hear in all?
Mrs. CONNALLY: I heard three.The third shot that I heard I felt,tissue...brain tissue,...all over us....
bobzeda 2 weeks ago
@1giants,
Yes, they missed the throat. Also the embalmer and both FBI agents who were there during autopsy put the bullet lower between the shoulder blades (they saw this and took notes).
John Connally and his wife both said the single bullet theory didn't work. They said there were THREE different bullets that entered the car: two into the president and one into Connally (they were in the car so I give them top knowledge ). FBI agents still said the magic bullet was fantasy.
bobzeda 2 weeks ago
Another pile of crap. Like the Myers animation, they shifted Connally further right that he actually was sitting. The exit wound as others have pointed out doesn't match the actual exit wound near the adams apple. These idiots who are trying to prove the bullet passed through both men never address that Connally a few days later said the first shot hit Kennedy and he was hit when he turned, or the fact that Connally was holding his hat, after Kennedy was clearly hit by the bullet.
ThreesharpsA 2 weeks ago
I am so grateful to the guys who made this for proving that a hit in the back from 60 feet up DOES NOT exit anywhere near the throat. Thanks guys now hurry up and do the headshot and prove a bullet fired from behind and right and 60 feet up CANNOT enter a skull then turn right and up to exit.
2001perseus 4 weeks ago
on the model but look about 2 inches below the throath and a little to the right ,now you see the exit hole . remember he hit the back in about the right spot (see the autopsy photos ) but the bullet exits on the upper chest about an inch left of center ,now we see why the likes of myers has to place connally 6 inches inboard when really he was no more than 2.25 inches inboard .
fobrien1 1 month ago
into part 2 of the video ,this is the last 2 seconds of the video . look at the model to the right of the guy with the brown shirt ,in the throath near the adams apple area you see a red mark the same as they placed on the back of the model .the red mark on the back was in the wrong position (but the shooter missed it and struck at about the correct point ) but the red mark on the throath is in the correct position . now look again ,theres no exit hole in the throath in the adams apple area----
fobrien1 1 month ago
who was always moving away from him and leftward ,the shooter in the video didnt have to reload or re aim so this cant really be considered an accurate representation .also the bullet hole on the connally model is to far to the left (even they guy in the video says roughly in the right area) it should be higher and nearer the arm pit area ,at about the point where the back and side meet . anyone notice they dont show the point of exit on the jfk model ,have a look at 5 minutes and 18 seconds --
fobrien1 1 month ago
all tho the red line indicating the trajectory of the bullet through the jfk model is correct its noticable that when it meets the connaly models back it bends slightly upward ,and so the red line is actually above the entry point on the connally model and not in line with the entry point . the other thing here is if oswald is the killer for the first shot a tree was in his way and so they say the fist shot missed ,oswald then has to recycle his rifle and re aim at jfk ---------------
fobrien1 1 month ago
the red mark they put on the jfk models back is in the wrong place ,its to high and its a lot further to the right than it actually was ,see the autopsy photos .also i bet from looking that the shooters rifle and scope that they are of far higher quality then the cheap rifle in the archives. also the shooter fired at a stationary object ,and jfks limo all tho moving slowly was never stationary .the shooter missed the red spot but where he hit is pretty close to where jfk actually was wounded---
fobrien1 1 month ago
excuse me but the warren comission stated that the wound in the throat was one of exit! even with your biased measurements you proved the single bullet theory is a hoax! can we say fairly that your bullet exited the chest! i dont remember a chest wound! i cant believe you thought you proved something! and it seemed that you had kennedy a little to much higher than gov. connally! but that point is mute! dude your bullet came out jfk's chest! thank you for disproving the magic bullet theory!
joesgot41 1 month ago
You can see from the side view of the shot that it exits Kennedy's chest, not the throat. The claim that they perfectly replicated the supposed shot is fraudulent, therefore it's a bogus test. Why? Because the throat wound was an entrance wound. You'll never get a shot fired from that high up hitting that far down the back that exits in the throat.
RoyalJelly 1 month ago
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woshushe 1 month ago
Only reason it didn't stick in the leg here is because that bit acting as the wrist was to thick its only 2 bones init and the skin is fuck all to bullet so maybe if they made a thinner wrist it would of worked.. Fuck knows
themainman2008 1 month ago
The first bullet dont kill JFK. The SECOND (in the head) kill. Replicate the SECOND.
syk4ryo 1 month ago
I guess I failed anatomy in school. I had no idea that was the neck. (2:17)
j4kp07 1 month ago 2
Oh Po leeeseee!!! Why it was your bullet deformed?!?!? Welll.... because YOURS ISN'T MAGIC!!!!
Also, YOUR BULLET DIDN'T ENTER THE LEG!!! Well again... I would have said that your test failed just by that!!!
Whoever clames still that it was LHO is either innocent to stupidity or one of them!!!
It's 2012 PEOPLE, WAKE UP!!! CIA RULES THE WORLD ALONG WITH FINANCIAL INTERESTS!!!
WHOEVER IS AGAINST THEM IS PRONOUNCED ENEMY AND HE'S ELIMINATED!!!
WAKE UP!!!!
scarofthesun 1 month ago
No amount of evidence or just common sense will ever convince conspiracy nuts that Oswald committed this crime all by himself.He even used the same rifle in a previous assassination attempt but that doesn't faze them in the least.
TheShel10 1 month ago
this is all well and good but where is the carseat?
ritsace1 1 month ago
@ritsace1 needless to say i say hand this to the mythbusters and settle it once andd for all
ritsace1 1 month ago 3
Even with all of this propaganda to prove the Magic Bullet, they still couldn't replicate the throat wound. I like how they showed all of the wounds except the throat wound.
6021diesel 2 months ago
Also what about the type of grain in the round, a sniper or good hunter always make sure that the gun and round match to do the job right?
7071t6 2 months ago
Ruffly, all the settting's and other mesurment's and ruffley ? anything, to get people to view it right, take your finding's and do something that will open a proper investigation, with world class professionals that can duplicate your finding's and start at the SS and all the way through to Johnson and all the classified Material classed as National secutity record's. Then maybe the the Family's of the accused will go to trial & case closed. but that will never happen will it mate.
7071t6 2 months ago
They went to EXTREME lengths to try to recreate something that overlooked a MAJOR detail: no throat wound! What a ridiculous piece of propaganda.
jbellamar1 2 months ago
At 0:39 he climbs 60 ft. up to the exact height of TSBD 6th floor but notice they dont say exact angle. If anything they are shooting from Dal-Tex bldg. This is another LN sales pitch using junk science. Anyone who buys this is not thinking for themselves. They will never replicate the single bullet from the TSBD cause it cant be done hence the magic bullet. It would have to change directions in midair just as CT's have always said. YOU CAN'T SHOOT FROM RIGHT TO LEFT AND BULLET GO RIGHT!
Ebeneezerable 2 months ago
@Ebeneezerable This only proves that if single bullet is true then magic bullet is certainly true. Why is this so hard for reasonably thinking people to logically understand? Guess I was wrong is hard to say even in the face of evidence like this. They just disproved the magic bullet and yet they are convinced ($?) that they proved it. They are shooting from the Dal-Tex building for crying out loud.
Ebeneezerable 2 months ago
They say the autopsy shows the bullet wound on JFK's shoulder. Not true. Or rather which one? The original autopsy showed the back wound five inches down. Also the sniper was shooting straight on. This would have had to be a shot from Dal-Tex or other building directly behind not to the right as the TSBD was. They have only proved that the single bullet could not have come from an angle commensurate with the TSBD. This is an exercise in futility just as the WC's predetermined research. Jnk sci.
Ebeneezerable 2 months ago
They skipped the throat wound . . . That is a BIG deal . . . .
BlueWolfe38 2 months ago
the core of the matter is not that its possible, but rather did it hapend at all.
EvilPoet85 3 months ago
This test does make a compelling case, but I seem to remember that the bullet where supose to exit his throat.
EvilPoet85 3 months ago
This video must be mental torture for conspiracy fruit loops. It missed the throat because he hit slightly lower than Oswald, and they didn't account for the way Kennedy's posture was hunched more forward. I love the comments in here, it's fucking hysterical. Sort of like when all those "Sasquatologists" figured out they had been studying a film of a drunken hillbilly in a gorilla suit all these years. After the redneck in the suit came forward and admitted it was all bullshit.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin no, this comment is hysterical. considering 2/3's of americans believe a conspiracy behind it also, but no frankdrebin (cool name love that film btw haha) 1 man can some how kill the president launch his body backwards when the bullet hits him from BEHIND. oh also, entry is small exit is large when a bullet hits so in the zapruder film why is JFK's posterior part of the cranium blown out when it should be his anterior if it came from behind? seriously, know your stuff pal
Guerillaradio13 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 Well, you're wrong. JFK actually goes forward in frames 312 to 313 (time of impact) of the zapruder film. Then snaps back likely due to the release of energy from his head. Or, simply could have had a neuromuscular spasm due to the right side of his brain being confetti. 70% of the American public believe conspiracy, imagine that. Because 90% of what is written or in films is pro-conspiracy. People have to make a living you know. 50 years, no bigfoot on grassy knoll yet.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin so you believe everything that joke of a government says? hmm, no nukes found in iraq! please, forward? are you blind? 312 his body goes in a slight backwards motion, as in someone has given someone a shock/surprise and they "Jump". so you believe the fact that 1 bullet hit 7 different locations on 2 people, hitting bone and cartilage and that 1 bullet wasnt even dented yet along had chips out of it despite a mass of a bullet was found in Connolly's wrist? come on buddy wake up
Guerillaradio13 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 Ever actually read the Warren Commission volumes? Doubt it. Ever read the HSCA? In 50 years not a shred of evidence has surfaced of another shooter. Where are the bullets from the 2nd shooter? And that bullet was almost completely flattened, why it did all that damage and didn't fragment? Because it slowed down after going through JFK, and began to tumble. Why would someone plant a bullet when they didn't know what other evidence would be found? Duh.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 Every bullet and fragment found came from Oswald's rifle at the exclusion of all other rifles. Fragments found in Connolly and seen in xrays corresponds to what is missing from the bullets core. We're talking tiny specs. Had JFK been hit from the knoll at a low trajectory, he'd have a wound on the left rear of his head somewhere. But yeah, I'm the one who's crazy. Whatever you say there, straight jacket.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin yeah you are the one who's crazy, ive just finished a 9-5 doing forensics all day whilst youve been writing a comment to reply to me about saying how HONEST the us government is in such situations as this. fucking MORON, if i repeat of the evidence said (which you obviously dont believe as you believe the bull of the warren commission) youll just have a cry and say how proud you are of your government so whatever pal get you head out of your ass
Guerillaradio13 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 You work in forensics and want to ignore all the indisputable forensic evidence I just threw in your face? Our government has thing called oversight, go read a/b it when you're done w/ your fictitious forensics job w/ Scooby and Shaggy. Say hi to Daffney for me. Like I thought, you never even read the WC, but call it bull. Clear sign of intelligence there, crazy train. Why so angry? Does it get itchy in a straight jacket, or?
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin fair play, youre a right cunt. a blind one at that that literally has 0 knowledge. typical yank
Guerillaradio13 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yank? Shouldn't you be trying to solve the conspiracy that killed Lady Diana?
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin judging also by your comments on your profile it looks like you have no friends, whatever cunt stop wasting my time now and go fuck yourself
Guerillaradio13 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 Wow, you sure know how to hurt a guy's internet feelings. That and make arguments you can't win. You looked at my profile? I didn't know I had one, so thanks! I'll send some fluoride for your teeth! Then can we be internet pals? I bet you have lots of those, huh? lol
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin na i just checked it to see if youre this much of an ignorant arsehole to other people and looks like you are. and worried about your internet credibility? get a life
Guerillaradio13 4 months ago
@Guerillaradio13 LOL @ internet credibility. You want me to get a life, you're the one who looked at my profile you fuckin banana head. Is it that easy to anger you? I like the brits. First time a girl gave up her ass to me she was a brit. Took it like a champ, was amazing. Do you have any sisters?
frankdrebin 4 months ago
my answer to your question @ 3:32 - "because you need the real sniper that killed John Kennedy" -.-
rock619099 5 months ago
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"Some of the Secret Service agents thought the gunfire, however, was from an automatic weapon, fired from the right rear of the chief executive's car, possibly from a grassy knoll, and that's that knoll to which motorcycle policemen were seen racing and where the huddled figures of a man and a woman were seen huddled on the ground with a crowd surrounding them. Which suggests of course, that this, perhaps, is where the shots came from."-Walter Cronkite, less than 20 minutes after the shooting.
LongLiveOx 5 months ago
total CIA sullshit, it goes to show that these evil bastards are still very worried , WHY?
cruisersism 6 months ago
but where is the throat wound?
rozpoznawaniemowy 6 months ago 10
@rozpoznawaniemowy Watch JFK Magic Bullet Parts 1 and 2...this explains the 2nd shot before the headshot.
clev9980 2 months ago
Great video - actually supports the point that the 'magic' bullet was not fired from the TSBD, as the trajectory is all wrong as shown in the film. Simply freeze frame at 2:17 and you can clearly see the red line path of the bullet actually exits around the chest area of the JFK torso and not the throat where the autopsy states there was a minor wound...
giovannighaly 6 months ago
I don't deny that the SBT is not plausible, but this video clip basically said it all in the beginning: "using the precise location, identified in the autopsy". So if the autopsy findings were faked, which I believe that they were, then this theory means absolutely nothing.
IkeJoK 6 months ago
I still believe it was the driver that made that fatal shot!!!!!
samfitzy8 8 months ago
@samfitzy8 frame 307 proves the Greer shinny chrome 45 is really there. You see the shell ejector port in the middle of the slide. NOW we all know that Greer was one of the assassins.
LOL. When you think about it, the JFK assassination turned out to be like the standard book murder mystery case, where on the last page you find out "The Butler Did It".
jjh36Is 7 months ago
@samfitzy8 then your really stupid lol
movieman175 7 months ago
the bullet don't steer go right!
intuaidumeda 9 months ago
On top of all the other problems with this test, it was done on a stationary object. Kennedy et. al. were MOVING, not static.
vegeman69 9 months ago
Awesome.....except for one minor detail....IT MISSED HIS THROAT! Who cares about details though, right?
1giants 10 months ago 18
@1giants
the kneck wound occured before the killshot, dingus. he was just 3 times.
woundspooden 7 months ago
The Frame 1:44..and just the beginning of 1:45....clearly shows the entrance and then the exit.
..if you stop it just at the right moment...you can see it coming out literally just about 1" above JFK's nipple line..
Totally..wrong....I am amazed this was put up with a claim that the shot was re-created....it clearly wasnt...not even close!
The throat wound is precisely the problem in making the bullet magic as it then drops to hit Connolly well bellow the line of the original trajectory.
zeroceiling 10 months ago
Sorry...it needs to be said again...the magic bullet passed through JFK's throat, right where the clavicles join the sternum....that is where the tracheotomy was also performed.....this shot is clearly well bellow that anatomical point.
If this is indeed the case..this has to rate as the most monumental waste of time and money privately spent on this re-creation....
It is stunningly misguided......never mind that no compensation for the movement of the vehicle was introduced..
Wow!
zeroceiling 10 months ago
Kennedy wasn't naked when he was shot, so why didn't they add clothes to the dummies for a more accurate assessment?
VirtuaPinball 10 months ago
Bullets don't always go straight once they hit something. You cannot always replicate a shot no matter how hard you try. Oswald shot and killed Kennedy.
Aussie038 10 months ago
@Aussie038 "Oswald shot and killed Kennedy", Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Is your middle name 'Gullible'?
CalumGilhooly 9 months ago
@MrZakouch Yes indeed.
smithnya 10 months ago
This experiment means dick-all. The original bullet exited Kennedy's throat. This bullet exited all the way down near his nipple line. Either their measurements are severely off, or there was a shot that hit him in the back, back of the neck, and head. That's three for those who are counting. From that angle, how does a bullet that enters near his shoulder blade exit in the middle of his throat?
smittysturn 10 months ago
I think people are missing the forrest for the trees. Now, some perspective. The experiment was not intended to recreate 100% the shot, but to get it as close as possible to the original shot. The recreation was intended to demontrate that such a shot is possible.
The documentary proved that it was possible. If you want to argue that in was a cu** hair too much to the left or to the right, then you failed to grasp the point.
smithnya 10 months ago
@smithnya
This is absolutely wrong!
The intent was to re-create the "Magic Bullet "trajectory..it even says that in the title.
The bullet was deemed to be magic as it exited JFKs throat at the collar level and suddenly dropped down by up to 5"-8" to be able to enter Connolly's back...
In this attempt.they completely failed.
Of course anyone can climb a cherry picker and take an "approximate" shot..there is no value in that what so ever in disproving the paradox trajectory of the bullet.
zeroceiling 10 months ago
@zeroceiling
i think they have made more test then this particular that are proving shooter from the depository and that the teory of one bullet was right,but about the trajectory wrong.i believe the conspiracy about kennedy is mostly debunked.
tcoudi 9 months ago
@tcoudi
I think that if one looks ONLY at TSBD and Oswald..and WC then anything can be argued successfully..
However, there are quite a few probability models that challenge the peripheral events.
it is always easy to debunk if debunking one event at a time...try debunking 50-60 events TOGETHER...in an interrelated way as it happened with JFK..nobody does it.
all the guys just focus on Oswald / magic bullet /..the rest of it is never adequately addressed.
Watch"Rush to Judgement" interesting
zeroceiling 8 months ago
@zeroceiling i ll watch that,but what i saw until now is either pointing Oswald or have some major flaw.i know that WC report is problematic in many ways, bu still only one with any sort of hard evidence.you can always argue,that various thinks had been forged, but with this assumption there no case at all.after all huge plot is usually not operational and small plot including some lunatics instead of one make no difference.can you direct me to some probability model? i am courious.
tcoudi 8 months ago
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zeroceiling 8 months ago
@tcoudi the water has been muddied. Most friends confirm how impossible it is to keep a secret even among 10 people..so I understand the scepticism.
I dont indicate any sinister plot but consider this:
According to Statistics, a person in 1965 had a 1 / 2000 chances of dying an un-natural death by chance alone..during 1 year.
Warren Comm. interviewed (give or take..500-600 witnesses)
15 died within 24 months of UD.
P= 1: 21billion (dying by chance alone).
(Gausian / Distribution Model)
zeroceiling 8 months ago
@zeroceiling
to much maths for me as its midnight here, but i ll check it out. first coming to my mind, you dont have normal distrubution at all, at least half of those witnesses are police,army,secret service - risk occupations(and the risk works here as a pattern)i dont understand here exactly the unatural death concept.i am pretty sure there is some methodological error in this stats.i ll check out and let you know.
tcoudi 8 months ago
@tcoudi
well I dont disagree that the police were over-represented in terms of the WC list...there were however.. many ordinary folks...
a normal un-natural death rate should have been 1-2 over that period of time..not 15!!
But there is no mystery in terms of risky occupation over-representation, all the people that died are well identified (including names, occupation, domicile and manner of death).right in google
.... in fact there are virtually no police on the list from what I recall.
zeroceiling 8 months ago
@zeroceiling ok,it was jut an example, but its not normal distribution in population in many ways.i am going to thin ice here,but from a brief reading, i know many of those unatural deaths are at least badly interpreted.i still not believe there can be such a large plot,its not about hte secret, its about people making mistakes, selfish decissions and so on.good example of this is assasination of heydrich.
tcoudi 8 months ago
@zeroceiling
and one moreidea, have anyone realized, that if there was a plote on the institutional level, it was much much easier to get rid off kennedy simply trough information campaign. i would do that.and if i had a luxury of any imaginable tool for the kill, i choose much less riskier way, even if i decide to shoot him in dallas.
tcoudi 8 months ago
@zeroceiling
and one last,half of theese unatural deaths are related to ruby.first,there is no way this guy is a hitman or he was a brilliant actor his whole life. and he indeed lived in the world of petty crime where unatural death is less unatural.i ll come back,when find more,midnight in central europe.
tcoudi 8 months ago
@tcoudi
Nevim presne o cem mluvis..Warren Commission byla celkem bez velke influence Rubyho...
mluvime ciste o tom ze z 500 lidi zhruba 1 clovjek v prubjehu roku by mnel umrit (un-natural smrt) z normalniho vybreru ciste pod pravidla probability (chance).
mito jednoho clovjeka..byl sepsan celi list 15 lidi ktery byly na vyslechu Warren Commission..a jak jsem rek pred tim..bul to prumnerni prurez obcanstvi atd.
Statisticky to nedava rozum
uz jsem nepsal cesky od 10 let stary...tak holt chyby.
zeroceiling 8 months ago
@zeroceiling
your czech is fantastic, believe me.i found some list of unatural deaths surrounding WC.at least five of those unaturaly death people are from around ruby, who is for me not possible as a hitman, i mena from his profile as a person.and its not normal distribution, its the normal distribution of people who went watch kennedy that day, its not normal distribution.and still dont know which cospiracy version you believe. ale s tou češtinou jsi mě fakt hodně překvapil.
tcoudi 8 months ago
@smithnya
I have no problem agreeing that the shot is possible......its the quality and the outcome of the shot that is under debate...
One HUGE problem you have with this mock-up is the "angle at which the shot entered JFK's back and exited...well bellow the famous throat exit..
That shot could also be replicated of course but the angle would have to be (more acute).. congruent with a 3rd floor window (or so)..and not be as obtuse as the one from the 6th floor...
A massive problem!!
zeroceiling 8 months ago
There is one factor that these people have failed to include in their experiment, and please kindly correct me if I am wrong.
BUT DIDN'T THE BULLET ALSO HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THE BACK REST OF THE CHAIR THAT CONNALLY WAS SITTING IN, BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO ENTER HIS BODY?
Think about that when you see the bullet fired from the same model of rifle that Oswald is supposed to have used, exit the ballistic gel of the second manikan, and not have enough kinetic energy to enter the "thigh".
StephenWilliamsPhoto 11 months ago
@StephenWilliamsPhoto Well, there is no actual way to recreate anything like this 100% other than jumping in a time machine and seeing Oswald doing it again. The actual bullet that hit Connally didn't penetrate deep into his thigh anyways, and that's why it fell out, confirming that at that point the bullet had spent most of its velocity and thus, energy. As far as the seat goes, the back rest didn't reach high enough to interfere with the bullet's path.
smithnya 10 months ago
There is one factor that these people have failed to include in their experiment, and please kindly correct me if I am wrong.
BUT DIDN'T THE BULLET ALSO HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THE BACK REST OF THE CHAIR THAT CONNALLY WAS SITTING IN, BEFORE IT EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO ENTER HIS BODY?
Think about that when you see the bullet fired from the same model of rifle that Oswald is supposed to have used, exit the ballistic gel of the second manikan, and not have enough kinetic energy to enter the "thigh".
StephenWilliamsPhoto 11 months ago
what's the point JKF is dead we dont even know who killed him.
MrZakouch 11 months ago
@MrZakouch Well, about 25% of us know it was Oswald. The other 75% can't make up their mind whether it was 2,3,4,.....15 shooters. Whether JFK was hit by a poison dart, whether mindless automatons a-la-Manchurian Candidate shot him, whether the limo driver shot him, or whether Jackie pulled out a Derringer out of her bra and blew his brains out.
smithnya 10 months ago
@smithnya well is it oswald?
MrZakouch 10 months ago
@MrZakouch Yes. It was Oswald all the way.
smithnya 10 months ago
@smithnya why did he do it?
MrZakouch 10 months ago
@MrZakouch His reasons appear to be more ideological than practical. He didn't dislike Kennedy the human being, but as President, Kennedy was essentially the manifestation of a US Government and US capitalism that he did hate. In his mind, it was not personal. Oswald had a very high opinion of himself, and he romanticized about being a revolutionary like Fidel Castro or Che Guevara in Cuba. In his mind, assassinating Kennedy could make him a revolutionary and give him power to change the US.
smithnya 10 months ago
@smithnya his idea backfired. anyway what did they do to him after they found out it was oswald?
MrZakouch 10 months ago
@MrZakouch Yeah, it did backfire. You are correct.Well, at first, he left the school book depository and made his was back to his apartment. He picked up his gun and minutes later a cop stopped him on the street because he looked suspicious. Oswald panicked and killed the policeman. He then tried to sneak in without paying into a movie theater and hide there. This was reported to the police, and when the police tried to arrest him, he tried to shoot another cop but was subdued and arrested.
smithnya 10 months ago
Two days after being arrested, Jack Ruby, a bar owner in Dallas, got close enough to Oswald as he was being transfered to a different location. Ruby opened fire on Oswald and killed him. Ruby was by all means a fiery character and people who knew him used to call him "Sparky" because of his fiery temper. Some people think that Ruby was killing Oswald on behalf of the mafia to shut him up, but Ruby stated numerous times that he loved the Kennedy's, became enraged and shot Oswald by himself.
smithnya 10 months ago
@smithnya HISTORY CAN SOMETIMES BE LIKE A MOVIE
MrZakouch 10 months ago
@smithnya
Sorry but this makes very little sense.
First..anecdotal "stories " about a persons character traits is most often based on many interpretations and usually wrong.
Take a look at Ruby's every day existence for not just years but decades..
I can assure you that in his mob ridden environment...impulsive..highly excitable individuals last about a week..before someone either gets pissed off and gets rid of them...or the concern over their lack of "cool"..also causes a quick exit.
zeroceiling 10 months ago
@zeroceiling : I think it's great how you discredit anecdotal stories about a person's character, even if the person giving the anecdote is Ruby himself. Then your counter arguement is an anecdote : "I can assure that short tempered people in the mob last about a week, before someone gits rid of them" Who the fuck are you, John Gotti? You haven't got the common sense that god gave a tangerine. fag
rmed30 9 months ago
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zeroceiling 9 months ago
Era magic bullet is era bullcrap
VtHokie725 11 months ago
The bullet is mangled, it broke a rib, left the throat area too low. Just like the real thing, there is a magic bullet!
shahrdar 11 months ago
this video is ridiculously false.
it completely ignores the first deviation the magic bullet makes, which is the upward turn it makes from the back entry to the throat exit.
not one clip shows the bullet exiting Kennedy's throat, which, if you look closely at 2:16, shows the bullet exiting his chest somewhere. even the placement of the cameras seems to be specifically set up so that the bullet exiting Kennedy can't be seen clearly.
total bunk!
futureboy 11 months ago
what about hard bones, what about the windscreen and the fact jfks head was blown off from the front!! stupid discovery style non sense, jfks secret society speech says it all, ohhhh no the president was a conspiracy theorist they 'd probably say even though he'd seen everything after all
MorpheusWasRight 1 year ago
This video is crap, The shot went through kennedys kneck according to the autopsy photos. And the shots fired in this test are inacurate!!
EB2315 1 year ago
@EB2315 If ur going against their research, at least spell neck right dumbass
NICOROSAS98 1 year ago
@NICOROSAS98 No need for the name callin lol im just on here telling what ive studied for myself. Ive done plenty of extinsive research on this topic too so the fact that i spelled NECK wrong is completely irrelevent to this conversation. Im not into tryina talk crazy over youtube, im just interested in accurate rebutals about the information in this video thats all.
EB2315 1 year ago
Because killers always confess to their crimes. Especially before a trial.
DH1986 1 year ago
@DH1986 The ones whose sole hypothesized motive was infany would be more likely. The ones that take a photo of themselves with two Communist newspapers and three guns might.
4ourthofjuly 1 year ago
Where was the exit wound in Kennedy's body? Here it clearly comes through his chest.
DrFijiFanclub 1 year ago
@saychinqua a Remington was not used in the assassination dunce it was only the carcano rifle only from Oswald 3 shots fired
Henrici4 1 year ago
I love watching this stuff, makes believe in Santa Claus.
R.I.P. JFK.
jendeh1000 1 year ago
maybe it wasnt one bullet maybe it was two but one of them fell in a hole and they didnt find it ok
powertyuiop 1 year ago
If Oswald had lived, and screamed out " I killed Kennedy,." and blamed it on the Catcher in the Rye, people would still not be satisfied.
DH1986 1 year ago 14
This test bullet exits Kennedy's chest, nowhere near his throat. Proof that the downward angle from the book depository was too steep to exit Kennedy's throat. Notice how nobody in this video even showed the exit would to Kennedy close up? The only thing this video does is confirm a conspiracy. At that angle, to get the bullet to exit Kennedy's throat, it would have to enter much higher. Morons.
ElevenMileRecords 1 year ago
@ElevenMileRecords The point of the video was not to demonstrate that a single bullet could cause all that damage and wind up outside of GovC's body without being totally annihilated. The video flat-out debunks the myth that the bullet was "magic."
It does looks like JFK's exit wound was lower than it should've been (although I haven't seen enough to confirm this). Even so, this doesn't "confirm" there was a conspiracy -- it may simply be due to the JFK torso not having the correct posture.
The9Nazgul 1 year ago
@ElevenMileRecords You are not as smart as you think you are, Just because they didn't hit the exact spot Oswald hit, doesn't prove a conspiracy. all that means is that it's near impossible to replicate sniper shots like that. Look at the 3D models they used to trace the bullet's path. not only does it trace a line right to Oswald's location, but it matches up with the "magic bullet" thoery. Do some research first bud. Don't get all your info from biased videos created by paranoid nutjobs.
JmAnYoShI 1 year ago
People always to forget the part that the exit wound was in Kennedy's throat and not in his chest. Try explaining how a bullet traveling at a downward angle can enter a man's upper back and exit his throat. They should also get the same guy to fire 3 shots from that rifle in under 6 seconds at a moving target and hit that torso 2/3 times. Also have the target accelerate after his first shot.
xenomann442 1 year ago
@xenomann442
1. The sniper had 8.x secs to make the shots, not 6 secs.
2. The point of the video was not to demonstrate whether a single shooter could make the shots, but rather that a single bullet could cause all that damage and wind up outside of GovC's body without being totally annihilated. The video flat out debunks the myth that the bullet was "magic."
The9Nazgul 1 year ago
"single bullet theory, as laid out in the Warren Commission Report and the HSCA report, is indeed feasible and correct. " So the autopsy photographs are false!?!?
They show an exit wound from kennedy`s throat, not his chest.
Very strange indeed. Most interesting find:) So who is in the autopsy photo`s?
roxxphatcox 1 year ago
Also, the bullet DOES NOT exit Kennedy's throat, it exits his chest. The makers of this video make no attempt to show us the point the bullet exits Kennedy. What a load of garbage. To prove to us that the SBT is correct they should have shown Kennedys throat wound. Also, they should have put a coat and shirt on Connolly and made the entrance hole on the garments 1.5cm, just like it says in the W/C, then that would be way more convincing.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
I agree.
However, it does show that a single shot can cause as much damage as Oswald's shot is supposed to have caused.
bobdole57 2 years ago
In deed they were able to show one shot from the back could do damage. So they were almost able to prove a false truth under controlled circumstances. The original wound was 1.5cm on Connollys back and the holes in his shirt and coat were 1.5cm. To absolutely duplicate what the W/C says happened, they should have put a coat and shirt on Connolly and make the holes in the garments 1.5cm, THEN make the wound in his back 3cm, Also the bullet needs to exit Kennedys throat.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
Well, to expect to perfectly duplicate the exact yaw of the bullet as it passes through Kennedy and Connally is totally unreasonable. Fact is, its going to be different every time. Sometimes the bullet will hit nose on, sometimes it will hit base on, sometimes it will be at varying degrees of tilt.
No shot is going to be identical, 100%.
Remember, once that bullet enters kennedy, it starts tumbling. Its tumbling around somewhat randomly.
bobdole57 2 years ago
Also, the exact muzzle velocity, bullet weight, bullet density and balance and other conditions are going to vary to some degree every shot.
That shot can never be duplicated, only approximated.
bobdole57 2 years ago
I realize this. But for the "Magic Bullet" to work in the W/C scenario it HAS to tumble greatly so it enters Connolly's pretty much on its side, and the side of the bullet breaks the rib and wrist bones. If the nose hits bone (glancing or otherwise) there will be damage to the nose. Since there is no damage to the nose, it would enter mostly on its side creating larger holes than what were in Connollys clothes. Therefore Spectors SBT falls apart.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
If it hits bone base first after tumbling, it would create the exact deformation of the bullet as seen in the rear view of CE399.
bobdole57 2 years ago
If it hit base first I would think the mushrooming of that bullet would be on the base of it then. There is no mushrooming on the base. Nor is there any bone scaring or tissue on the bullet, base or on its side. So to make Spectors sbt , work the side of the bullet does the damage. But, the entrance wound in Connolly and his clothing are not large enough for this to happen.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
By the time the bullet was in connally, it wasn't moving fast enough to mushroom. This core of these bullets is made out of a hardened lead alloy, wrapped in copper. its not like its a soft hollow point. It is designed not to mushroom, no matter which way it enters.
By the time the bullet was properly examined, god knows what happened to it. We know at the very least it fell out of connally's leg. If there was going to be any tissue on it, we would have had it just from that.
bobdole57 2 years ago
That is to say unless you want me to believe CE399 was deformed by some guy with a pair of pliers. It had to happen somehow, and if it was fired from a rifle, it hit something. Is it connally's wrist? Very Likely.
bobdole57 2 years ago
Not pliers LOL, that bullet is far more consistant with being shot into cotton wadding, than it is shattering 5cm of dense rib bone and breaking a dense wrist bone. To frame Oswald they had to tie a bullet to the rifle so ballistics experts could link that bullet to his rifle. How on earth does a bullet fall out of a wound back out of the hole in his pants? and not have blood, or tissue or fibers on it?
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
if you believe the evidence was fabricated, that is a whole different story.
I think that is definitely plausible, but I also think that the ballistics involved in the single bullet theory are also plausible. I also think that to varying degrees of "far fetchedness" the fact that there is no tissue or fibers on the bullet can also be explained.
it simply comes down to how much of the evidence and stuff do you want to believe.
bobdole57 2 years ago
Personally, I think Kennedy was indeed shot by a carcano rifle from the school book depository. Who exactly did it and why, I don't know. If Oswald's rifle the one used in the shooting? I don't know that either.
bobdole57 2 years ago
He may have been hit with a shot from a carcano, but we don't know. The investigation started with the premise that the shots came from the 6th floor, they started with that conclusion and made the evidence fit that conclusion. The S.S removed the crime scene (the limo), they removed the body, I'm not a detective, but is that how a murder investigation is done? I guess it very well is, IF, you want to hide the true facts.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
At the time forensics wasn't that indepth. they most likely cleaned the bullet. Just like how they cleaned the car when they weren't suppose to (Secret service has no procedure for handling a crime scene. It's not there job or in there training). I could be wrong though but many have said the same thing about how they badly handled the loss of the man they're suppose to protect.
Shinobubu 1 year ago
@Shinobubu at that time they did not have the necessary training but now yes the secret service can handle a crime scene with the best of them. Read the book "The President's Secret Service." It is pretty good insight from former agents and ones who were on the detail that day. it is frightening how ill-equipped they were back then. but now they are on top of it.
tmdffn 1 year ago
Actually we do not know for certain it fell out of his leg. Connolly himself said, while he was in the operating room, something fell on the floor and he remembers a nurse picking it up and putting it in her pocket. I do believe that bullet was a plant to link Oswalds rifle to the bullet. Also Thomlinson stated the bullet was discovered on a different stretcher than what Connolly was on, could he be wrong? Maybe. Could Connolly be wrong? Maybe.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
Could the bullet make a 1.5cm hole in Kennedys clothing and Connollys clothing, make a 180 degree turn between the two men enter backwards at a slow enough speed to make it not mushroom, but still have enough velocity to shatter 5cm of rib bone cause a 5cm exit wound in Connolly's chest then break a wrist bone and then enter his thigh presumably nose first. then fall out that wound ,and out the hole in his pants and have no blood or tissue or fibers on it. Not very likely.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
Well, the bullet certainly has the penetrating power. Even this test in this video, as imperfect as it is, shows the bullet from the carcano is capable of all that damage, even if the tumbling and refraction of its path can't be replicated.
FMJ ammo can do amazing things. I have seen a 7.62x51 NATO ball round penetrate 1/2 inch of mild steel. The recovered bullet looked almost "pristine" with 1 exception, the copper jacket was totally stripped off.
Certainly not what I would have expected.
bobdole57 2 years ago
OK but have you seen the tests done by the W/C firing the same FMJ bullets that the carcano fires, breaking just a a rib bone ? There is numerous bullets that they used, they all look similar to each other, not 100 pct exact, but very similar. The velocity of the bullet is slowed to 1600fps, not one of them resemble the magic bullet, but every one of them resemble the other test bullets.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
And we know by the size of the holes in Connollys clothing, and the original size of his back wound that the bullet was not tumbling, there may have been some yaw in it, however no where near enough to have the side of it do the damage. Therefore, the nose of the bullet would at the very least, have some damage to the nose as it strikes the rib. But there isn't any. I believe the bullet is a plant to firmly link it to the rifle. What do you believe?
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
I half way agree with you, but I still think the test in this video was a reasonable approximation of what might have happened.
if we had perfect Kennedy's and Connally's to shoot, we could bring them down to dallas and have a go at replicating that shot more accurately, but we cant for obvious reasons.
bobdole57 2 years ago
Well thx for half way agreeing, I think we both agree there is something more going on here, than what the investigators want us to know. Thx for the conversation today, enjoyed it...are you the real Bob Dole? Just joking I'm in Canada.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
The bullet hole in Connolly's back measure 1.5 cm, it was made 3 cm AFTER Dr. Shaw, cleaned and debrided the wound. Spector says to Shaw, "Will u describe in as much detail as u can the wound in the posterior side of the Governor's chest." Dr. Shaw says,"This was a small wound prox. 1.5 cm, at its GREATEST DIAMETER, it was roughly eliptical." Volume IV pg 104 Warren Commission Hearings. The hole would be eliptical because it didnt enter him at a 90 degree angle, therefore the SBT, is B.S.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
Shaw aso describes the wound as "a piercing wound". So the evidence from the Dr.s testimony would mean the bullet went in nose first, therefore, the nose of the bullet would have hit the rib shattering it, and obviously the pristine bullet DID NOT do this. So that means more than one shooter which then means CONSPIRACY.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
Confirms my theory that the bullet was caught in Connally's hat after it exited his wrist - the thigh wound was caused by a fragment from the head shot.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
Ok, so the pristine bullet (which in this clinically controlled trial is no where near as pristine as THE magic bullet) just winds up on the gurney? C'mon.
grimatongueworm 2 years ago
There are two points I would like to make, first is that I would have like to see the bullet wound in the neck to correctly determine if the bullet exited in the same place as the autopsy reports stated it was and the other is that, if the except is show certain that the bullet would have been more intact if it didnt hit two ribs, 4:46 why not redo the test and prove it rather give his opinion.
philis05 2 years ago
I wonder why they did not show the exit wound on the JFK surrogate. Because it is way too low.
remberify 2 years ago
I don't understand your complaint.
They proved that the magic bullet theory is scientificly plausible. It doesn't have to match the actual event in ever detail, it simply shows that yes, a bullet from a high powered riffle can do what the Warren Commission claimed.
TBlake34 2 years ago
This doesn't prove anything. Number one they don't use the same mdel rifle found in the depository and scope on the rifle much more advanced then the scope on the rifle found in the depository building. Number 2 they weren't shooting at a moving target. And number three they didn't show the wound o the JFK surragate which is a just as important as the Connely's wound. As recall from the JFK film, it's pointed out that Oswald wasn't a very good shot. The experiment doesn't proove jack.
operationD 2 years ago
I'm no Warren Commission apologist, and frankly I think Kennedy's assassination was the handiwork of some very powerful interests.
But the fact is, one 6.5mm full metal jacket bullet fired from a carcano rifles COULD cause all the damage described in the single bullet theory.
No, you can't replicate exactly what happened, there are far too many variables to do that. But the ballistic principles are there.
bobdole57 2 years ago
2 minutes 18 seconds the bullet does not appear to exit jfk at about the area of the necktie. 2 minute 36 seconds amazingly Alex has replicated the magic bullet shot. Bullshit.
remberify 2 years ago