See also John 3:10-12. A one-on-one conversation switches from first person singular pronouns to first person plural, and then back to first person singular. Who is "we" in verse 11? I think it's most likely imagined to be the same "we" in 21:24, which also switches personal pronouns.
You'll probably agree with my opinion that chapter 21 was tacked on later in order to create the illusion of apostolic authorship - the unnamed "beloved disciple".
Tradition has always said that John was prevailed upon in his old age, given all the other apostles were martyred, to write down his remembrances of Jesus. A few of the other older disciples helped him, probably mostly older women eyewitnesses as women weren't killed as often for preaching like the male disciples were. That makes sense to me. I really don't see why anyone doubts that part is written by John. Who else would say all the "disciple that Jesus loved" stuff?
Reading the NT, its seem clear that all of the authors believed that Jesus would return soon, probably w/in their lifetimes. The synoptics go as far as to claim that this would happen in conjunction with, or shortly to follow the destruction of the temple in 70 CE. I've had similar thoughts when reading that passage from John as well as 2 Peter--early apologetics.
You might want to read Bauckham on 21:24-25 in Jesus and the Eyewitnesses. He might convince you out of your current position. It's a pretty complex argument, but it's worth checking out.
@TheFunkyTheist any text arguing that the gospel writers are eyewitnesses is ludicrous. I've done multiple videos on this subject already and the majority modern scholarship really denies the possibility that that's the case.
@aposticism Well, Bauckham only believes that John was written by an eyewitness, but not an apostle. He doesn't accept eyewitness authorship for any other gospels, Matthew included. And I only Bauckham in that argues that all of John 21 is genuine to the original, and his arguments are quite interesting.
I think Mark was written by someone in Peter's camp taking the information from Peter's sermons. You can see it is sermon outlines, and is arranged topically not chronologically. The author of Matthew is a mystery, other than he knew Judaism well. Luke probably wrote Luke and Acts. He doesn't claim to be an eyewitness, but says:
"With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you ..." Luke 1:3
See also John 3:10-12. A one-on-one conversation switches from first person singular pronouns to first person plural, and then back to first person singular. Who is "we" in verse 11? I think it's most likely imagined to be the same "we" in 21:24, which also switches personal pronouns.
You'll probably agree with my opinion that chapter 21 was tacked on later in order to create the illusion of apostolic authorship - the unnamed "beloved disciple".
violentlygraceful 3 weeks ago
@violentlygraceful HEY! You're alive! Yes I do absolutely agree. And thanks for this :) You need to make more videos my friend
aposticism 3 weeks ago
wow I never caught that the first time.
Water4Jeremiah 1 month ago
Well Done Ap! Like the style!
wayman29 1 month ago
Tradition has always said that John was prevailed upon in his old age, given all the other apostles were martyred, to write down his remembrances of Jesus. A few of the other older disciples helped him, probably mostly older women eyewitnesses as women weren't killed as often for preaching like the male disciples were. That makes sense to me. I really don't see why anyone doubts that part is written by John. Who else would say all the "disciple that Jesus loved" stuff?
ShaundalynChic 1 month ago
Can I get credits for studying Star Wars?
TheRepublicOfUngeria 1 month ago
Reading the NT, its seem clear that all of the authors believed that Jesus would return soon, probably w/in their lifetimes. The synoptics go as far as to claim that this would happen in conjunction with, or shortly to follow the destruction of the temple in 70 CE. I've had similar thoughts when reading that passage from John as well as 2 Peter--early apologetics.
sinebass808 1 month ago
John smoked dope.
iviewthetube 1 month ago
You might want to read Bauckham on 21:24-25 in Jesus and the Eyewitnesses. He might convince you out of your current position. It's a pretty complex argument, but it's worth checking out.
TheFunkyTheist 1 month ago
@TheFunkyTheist any text arguing that the gospel writers are eyewitnesses is ludicrous. I've done multiple videos on this subject already and the majority modern scholarship really denies the possibility that that's the case.
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@aposticism Well, Bauckham only believes that John was written by an eyewitness, but not an apostle. He doesn't accept eyewitness authorship for any other gospels, Matthew included. And I only Bauckham in that argues that all of John 21 is genuine to the original, and his arguments are quite interesting.
TheFunkyTheist 1 month ago
@TheFunkyTheist cited Bauckham*
TheFunkyTheist 1 month ago
How many scholars agree with you on this? Also, were the Gospels written by eyewitnesses or not?
HorrorIllogium 1 month ago
I think Mark was written by someone in Peter's camp taking the information from Peter's sermons. You can see it is sermon outlines, and is arranged topically not chronologically. The author of Matthew is a mystery, other than he knew Judaism well. Luke probably wrote Luke and Acts. He doesn't claim to be an eyewitness, but says:
"With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you ..." Luke 1:3
ShaundalynChic 1 month ago
i want to take theology how did you get into theology?
TheStarfox6400 1 month ago