i got a bunch of black talons for my smith and wesson 9mm.and theydo penetrate body armor and will shoot at a little bit higher velocity than the average hollow point ,oh and the`re illegal hope that helped
i got a bunch of black talons for my smith and wesson 9mm.and theydo penetrate body armor and will shoot at a little bit higher velocity than the average hollow point ,oh and the`re illegal
There's no such thing as a "Teflon vest." If there were, it wouldn't provide protection against anything worse than a fried egg. Black Talon (now sold as "Ranger SXT") had and has no qualities that make it more penetrative than any other hollowpoint. Two thin layers of an old kevlar PASGT jacket will stop a modern 9mm Hydra-Shok. It won't prevent it from causing tremendous internal bleeding or broken bones and likely killing someone, but it will stop the bullet from penetrating.
For what it's worth my CCW instructor who is also a deputy sherrif told us the black talon is no longer sold because when the mushroom out,the copper jacket was very sharp and jagged. He said the gangbangers were notorious for using it. When the surgeons were removing the bullets they could often pierce the gloves and fingers of the surgeon. Exposing them to Aids and disease. He also said they would not pierce body armor. Any myth busters out there ?
@greeneyes97402 haha dude your ghetto as fuck. arent youre cool with your tiny .25! man up, get a .45! oh wait, cant shoot it sideways; itll smack you in the face...
@greeneyes97402 haha dude your ghetto as fuck. arent you cool with your tiny .25! man up, get a .45! oh wait, cant shoot it sideways; itll smack you in the face...
Wouldnt it be funny though? Hope I didnt hurt your feelings.. Really your vids are fun to watch. Your real and informative. I got a lot of good things from them to think about and put into action. Thanks again
Rugersix: You know what would be funny and I would love to see you post. Take all your videos and just edit everything out but you saying :Uh" and string them all together. Call it the "Uh" video.. :-). Just kidding (maybe) Love the vid's, thanks for sharing your info and your insight.
xsnakemandougx...sorry but I don't have the hang of communicating in this venue but to answer your question, yes I have considered the LCP. Haven't seen the Ruger but a gun shop near here had the Tarus version and I was not impressed with it. Thanks
Ruger6, thanks for your response. I am a recent CCDW qualifer here in KY and I am in the 'usual' quandry ' caliber vs carry ability vs velocity and penetration. Was looking more at the LCR but with my history of semiauto I simply am on a quest now. Thanks
Ruger 6, truly enjoyed your presentation. Assume your are ex-mil with a suffix of 6 and partial to Ruger. I am looking at the LCR for CC and wondered what you thought.
Carried M1911A1 throughout my mil career and it's tough going away fron autos. Thanks
@chug1948 Thank You..in all honest I am not ex-mil my step-son was in at the time and I was showing my support for him. The LCR is an awesome conceal carry option...I did a three part review on it, and just took it out and shot a few days ago there is a clip of that as well.
@ArmednSafe I'm showing options here these are not all my carry guns only a select few and the function depending on revolver or semi-auto is basically the same...just like driving a car. =)
@rugersix I guess revolvers are not really a problem. But I was thinking of all the different safeties that get put on semi-autos. Fumbling with a safety could mean your life. It's just a thought. If you feel confident with any handgun, then go for it. If it were me, I would carry something as versatile as possible and only carry that.
If someone wanted to produce a violently expanding round, they could load a hollow-based wadcutter upside down. I've seen what such a round can do (in 38 spl) when shot at a 2x4 from 20 feet. That might be an interesting video to post.
The armor-piercing claim of WW's Black Talon ammunition is a well-documented myth. Such violent expansion characteristics, by their very nature, make them far less likely to penetrate body armor. They were named as part of a ridiculous 1996 lawsuit (thrown out of court) that attempted to claim that the ammunition itself was "responsible" for an attack carried out on passengers of the Long Island Railroad. Olin industries caved in and stopped production.
My favorite rounds were the hydro shock and the Winchester silver tips. I used to sometimes mix them up along with FMJ's in the winter (because of the possibility of heavy clothing) and just the hollow points in the summer.
If you can find it or know somebody that reloads the 38 Special +P, 158gr, lead hollow point aka "FBI load" is said by many to be one of the best performing .38 loads ever.
Love your videos dude. You have GREAT screen presence which so many YouTubers don't! And I sooooo agree with your philosophy of use and idealogy (i.e. the .38 and the .22 as CCW options) so you are partly preaching to the choir where I am concerned. Don't know if you follow Nutnfancy on YouTubve but you are 2nd only to him AFAIAC!!! Keep it up (from buzzed lonely guy on a Friday -- FYI I carry a Lawman Mk III 2" and a Python 6" for home defense)
Thanks for the nice compliments it's much appreciated my friend! Nutnfancy here just the facts! lol =] Gotta love that Python the very best revolver ever made!!!!
Gotta do a full review on mine one of these days! =]
Hey rugersix! Wanted to let you know exactly why the Black Talons were discontinued. The short of it is that Surgeons were afraid that the "talons" would tear the medical gloves and increase the chance of bloodborne pathogen transmission. A cheaper option that's CLOSE to the Talon style is the Ranger SXT. Also, was wondering if a polymer Jericho 941 is a good idea for con carry/house gun. I've seen your reviews on them, and was wondering,if the polymer can hold up, etc.
Hey Ruger, Just wondering what your thoughts were on the Bersa Thunder 380? I have one myself and love it. Definitely a high-value PPK clone. Have you shot it at all?
i have shot the black talons in .45 acp. the ranger stx is the same exact bullet minus the molidnium coating. great bullet. i prefer the magteck gaurdian gold series, but the best luck ive had is with hydrashocks in .45 auto
Have you tried the "Extreme Shock" frangible rounds? They have some incredible ballistics; I'd guess three times the hydraulic shock effect of the Glazers without an exit wound.
No Extreme Shock is an independent company from what I can tell...
Extreme Shock Ammunition
Rt. 2 Box 304-N
Clintwood, Virginia 24228 USA
276.926.6772
877.337.6772 (toll free)
The rounds are not cheap, but for self-defense my life or my family's lives are always more valuable.
the NyTrillium rounds seem to have the most shock, the Air Freedom rounds are probably the safest, and the Enhanced Penetrations rounds are dual purpose; penetrating common barriers before franging.
I actually carry around a Makarov right now and I might suggest to anyone who has one to use the original grips as you have on the video. At first I had the rubber grips but it was far too bulky. It works great with shoulder holster carry it is just the right size.
One of the reason's Black Talon's were made illegal is due to the way they fragment on penetration. They leave a lot of small sharp fragments and when the doctors would due surgery to retrieve they would get cut and with the diseases out there. They also got outlawed due to their name and the fact that could not due a forensics test to find out what weapon fired them.
there was ALOT of controvercy over that black talon ammo, it was used by quite a few law enforcement agencies which of course influenced the civilian market (a similar example is the AR-15 and M-4 weopon platforms) the ammo is known for being pron to "demonizing" if used for self defence because of this and the body armor penatrating capabilities. basically it was another quality product killed by ignorent non-gun people. what a shame!
RugerSix, The black talon's are infact still sold. However they are sold under the Winchester Personal Defense name. They are the same bullets as were loaded into the black talons however they have lost their black coating. I hope this helps.
the holster that i use to carry a fullsize 1911 or a fullsize CZ 75BD is an Uncle Mikes soft inside the pants holster. it is better than any other holster i have tryed including my 75 dollar Galco leather holster. the Uncle Mikes is only $9.95. its a secret so dont tell anyone that a 10 dollar holster is better than a 100 dollar holster.
Black Talon isnt sold anymore because, it expands SO WELL, that, their were several rumors going round that a surgeon trying to remove a black talon would cut his fingers on the bullet, it expands so well.
As well, a gunman used Black talons in the Long Island Railroad Mass Murder. As well, because of its black coating (a type of lubricant) it was reported to pierce body armor and gained the title "cop-killer" because of it. Winchester was recieving heat and ended production because of the bull
Black talon rounds are banned more or less because they were the round used to kill senator Carolyn McCarthy's husband. Its a myth that they expand so well, as well as the cop killer myth, and the armor piercing myth, and the surgeon myth. They just don't have the velocity to pierce armor.
All of those myths were started by her, and the Brady Campaign in order to get them banned.
Black Talons aren't banned. Winchester willingly took them off the line because they where receiving bad press. If Winchester wanted to, they could put them back on the line again
A Right-To-Carry reform bill has been introduced this legislative session in Sacramento.
Assembly Bill 357, sponsored by Assembly Member Steve Knight (R-36), would create a shall issue concealed handgun permit system in California. Under current law, an applicant must show cause as to why they should be issued a permit to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense. AB357 would remove that stipulation and require sheriffs to issue the license if all other mandated criteria are satisfied.
I like the makarov (or however it's spelled) but i hate the old euro mag release. Granted the one I've been shooting is like vintage 1950 or something.
Fixed sights, don't have it in front of me so I'm not positive where it was made but I believe it came out of east Germany. Releasing the magazine requires both hands and turning the weapon upside down.
The main problem of amo types is media hype. Worst part is the general public eats it up. The worst wounds and damage I have seen have been 38 special FMJ. They have a habit of ricoceting inside the rib cage and lodging in the spinal colum. I have seen several shot in the chest wind up in the spine of the neck, leaving victims quadrapeligic. That is personal experince as a paramedic.
n8tex254-I really want to thank you for adding that information on the .38 special cartridge! I had no idea...a lot of folks dis the .38 as not a worthy defense round anymore...I've alway's disagreed. Thanks for adding your expertise to the subject here. Your comment gets 5-stars from
Also some tend to underestimate the serious wounds caused by .22 and .25 auto cal. The last pesron I saw with a .22 wound was hit initialy in the shoulder, the round ricoceted off of the bone and went under the ribcage and tore into both lungs. The person did survive, but barely, and the surgeon said it was like putting a puzle back together missing some pieces as far as operating on the lungs. Other was 25 auto to the head. ME said it looked like brain was in a blender.
A similar thing, is that supposedly, a super high velocity .22 will pierce into a human skull, and bounce around inside of the skull, causing massive injuries
Not always guaranteed. Death from a low shock, high pierce injury such as a .22 to the brain would likely be caused by hemorrhage leading to increased inter cranial pressure, leading to heart failure and further death of brain tissue.
yes your last point regarding the death of brain tissue WILL take a bit of time.
But once you penetrate the skull and throw a bullet in there, they're fucked. Instantly.
They may not be dead straight away, but this almost certainly going to have an effect on breathing, the hearts abiliity to function and definately the persons ability to move correctly.
A shot to the head is almost certainly going to cause death, but even if it doesnt it will cause immobilisation, guaranteed.
Its a fact that .22 will bounce off bone. One kid I KNOW was backyard shooting his .22, the bullet ricocheted off a rock, struck him in the shoulder, was deflected downward, hit another rib, and bounced out of his body. It was 2in from his aorta, missed an inch from his lungs, and missed less than an inch from his liver. Its amazing he didn't die, even more amazing that the only wounds where the two fractured ribs
Ever heard of James Brady? He was shot IN THE HEAD WITH AN EXPLOSIVE .22, and lived. 1923, a rumrunner getting chased by a coast guard vessel was shot in the head by a .30-06 fired from an m1919 and survived after 4 days in a comma
It doesnt really matter if its going to cause "massive injuries".
If you shoot somebody with any handgun in an area like the head of another red area, YOU and everybody else around you, is now safe.
Whether the attacker is dead or not, isn't a big deal.
If I was ever in the position of defending myself with a gun I would do just that, not up to me to decide who lives or dies, just up to me to ensure I don't.
What the fuck is wrong with you? All I did was state some facts.
It does matter, when amateur, non experienced shooters gain a CCL, and need a bullet with more stopping power so they don't HAVE to be completely accurate. You are the shithead
I'm not arguing that at all. My point was that high velocity rounds, .223 rounds do not necessarily deliver the shock, and energy transfer it takes to disrupt brain activity the way a larger caliber round would.
As magnum posted .22 rounds, in particular .22 LR rounds have a tenancy to tumble inside the cranium due to angles of incidence being too small to exit. I am not talking shit. I am saying people should carry as large a caliber as they are comfortable, and make shots count.
if you are carrying a .380, .38 special or a 9mm you should check out the Hornady Critical Defense ammunition, 100% reliable expansion! also if you want .38 special +P they have that too. The .380 even gets close to 10 inches of penetration in ballistics gelatin (i think its around 9.4 inches) man that sounded like a commercial. But like all ammunition right now, good luck finding it.
"The ammunition was targeted by those opposed to handguns, and the reputation was very different in the public, and eventually the Talons became to be known by the moniker "cop-killer" bullets. The hype of the Black Talon ammunition was the black coating on the bullets themselves. There were false rumors that the bullets were armor piercing and could penetrate the Kevlar vests worn by police officers." hard to belive taht a hollopoint would penetrate since they are made to expand :P
i read a little about the black talon and they probably stop producing them and i quote "To further the controversy, some medical personnel claimed that the sharp barb like tips could potentially cause tears in the surgical gloves and hands of the medical workers, exposing them to greater risk of infection,however there are no documented reports of this actually happening."
if this is true i dont know. u've probably know about this by now :)
That would be a totaly false statemen. Speaking as a medic I can positively say no one would attemmpt to touch a bullet in someone. that is what forceps are used for. Also when removing expanded bullets most have sharp edges on them, especialy if they contacted bone when entering.
I'm jealous of your Makarov, and I'm even more jealous of your Polish P-63.(are you sure it's not a P-64?) Anyway, I didn't know how unreliable those pistols were; from what I've read, they were relatively simple and inexpensive Polish service guns. I just like their design, (I REALLY love mid-20th century European pistols) and I'd love to buy one as a collector's item.
I've heard of Black Talons, my uncle actually has a box of .357 Black Talons.
You are correct...I meant to say P-64! I need to add an anotation in there I guess!
I'm not a big fan of the P-64 as I noted in the vid. But it is one of the most slender Semi-auto's I've seen. I got it simply for the collector value. Thanks!
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your P-64? I figured that when I do buy one, I wouldn't use it as a concealed carry gun, mainly because of it's low capacity. But still, they are interesting little pistols and make a nice addition to any gun enthusiast's collection.
About the Black Talons, my uncle told me that Black Talons are banned. As you said, can penetrate body armor; he mentioned something about them being hollow-point with a grooved-center.
The winchester black talons are now made and sold (to law enforcement, but I've seen them at gun shows before) under the name of winchester ranger sxt ammunition. The only difference is that the ranger ammo is not coated with the black coating as the black talons were.
A bad holster can make a difference in whether or not you decide to carry your weapon on you. It is VERY important to try a few out before buying one. Spend the money to get one that's comfortable and durable.
Speed strips are a great alternative to speed loaders because they fit into a back pocket for extra back up.
Federal Hydra-shock, Remington Golden Sabers, Speer Gold Dot, Buffalo Bore, Cor-bon, and Extreme Shock all make great +P ammo for 9mm.
They quit producing Black Talon because it was to easy to indentify (black paint on the slugs still) when extracting slugs from bodies. Winchester was afraid of getting sued. The round was referred to as "the flying ashtray" because of it's nasty expansion while penetrating into the body cavity.
Black Talon's werent taken off of the market because they would penetrate body armor (it wont), and they didnt take it off the market because of its color making it easy to identify. The reason they were taken off the civilian market was because of the reputation they were getting (and giving other hollow points) due to the sharpness of the expanded talons and the supposed damage they were causing people shot with them. They voluntarily removed them from the civilian market.
That's the part that sucks. Testing out holsters, especially for different weather, like summer carry, makes it hard to find out what works for you. I can't wear bigger pants, I'm a girl and we gotta look hot all the time! LOL The black talon doesn't penetrate body armor any more than any other JHP but it does cause tissue damage and have a larger cavity wound channel than some other rounds. It was removed from market due to pressure from gun control proponents.
Thanks for the Black Talon info the point has been made by several viewers! =] Well you got me there very true I was referring to male viewers...shame on me! However not all women feel the need to look HOT all the time. It's what's on the inside that make a real woman not what's outside although that is important as well! =] I agree holsters can be a pain...perhaps a ankle holster would best meet your needs?
Earlier there were many comments about Black Talon. There is a ton of hype around the round, but it isn't all that it is cracked up to be. In all honesty, any of the newer self defense rounds are more effective. If you just have to have some, the Ranger SXT Law Enforcement round is basically an update without the black color.
It does not punch through body armor. The coating was a gimmick that backfired, it didn't make it more dangerous. It was pulled thanks to the media not knowing anything.
Thanks once again EchcoFour for some good information regarding the Black Talon...I still have a box! =] I'll have to try some of that STX that's by speer I think!
That's close, but it did do some serious damage for what it was. When the round mushroomed, it caused it to fold out into sharp points that, at the time, inflicted major wounds that had not been seen in a firearm round prior.
Unfortunately people were stupid, and thought it was coated with Teflon, but it really wasn't as it was a coating of what they called Lubalox that was supposed to protect the barrel from wear.
Winchester buckled under negative media and discontinued the product.
If your carrying a P220, I recommend Blackhawk leather holsters. Thats my everyday carry weapon, I use blackhawk. Considering Im a slim guy it works extremely well. Its print is almost none. Its also comfortable sitting or standing. Draw is natural and comfortable, as well as fast. Then again holsters are personal so it maynot be the best choice for you. There is one thing, it does not pass the retention test of holding the holster upside down with the weapon in it.
well, I dont carry yet, because i dont have my ccw permit but i am trying to find out the best holsters. i have one of the serpa paddle holsters for it. do you mean like one of the angle adjustable paddle holsters? i have often looked at those... thanks for your input!
Thanks for offering a reasonable bit of information regarding these. Mine cost $21.00 for six in .38 Special. I still find my self going back to Federal Hydro-Shoc in the 100gr low recoil as I have several alloy frame revolvers used for conceal carry. Excellent information thanks again!
Glasers do work, just have some problems. They are hidiously expensive, 6 rounds cost 15 dollars. Wounds induced from them are surgically hard to repair, in the body they kinetically...well detonate is the best way to discribe it. Cops are trained to shoot to stop a target, not kill. The finaly reason is they are designed not to over penetrate, this in cold climates where layering is common they can sometimes do no damage to the target.
To answer your question about why they banned Black Talons, there are several reasons. One is it can defeat "some" partically older pre-1990 soft body armor, two its wound track is almost always fatal in the torso, and on some individuals can remove limbs almost completely, three it was scape goated by anti-gun movement as a purely armor piercing round.
i got a bunch of black talons for my smith and wesson 9mm.and theydo penetrate body armor and will shoot at a little bit higher velocity than the average hollow point ,oh and the`re illegal hope that helped
buddyboy123321 8 months ago
i got a bunch of black talons for my smith and wesson 9mm.and theydo penetrate body armor and will shoot at a little bit higher velocity than the average hollow point ,oh and the`re illegal
buddyboy123321 8 months ago
@buddyboy123321
Ever shot any body armor with your Black Talons? You'll find that a Level IIA vest will have no problem stopping them.
SansAuthoritas 8 months ago
Black talon can go through Teflon Vest. Outlawed for that reason. My dad has about 20 of them (retired cop).
j5pointoh 10 months ago
@j5pointoh
There's no such thing as a "Teflon vest." If there were, it wouldn't provide protection against anything worse than a fried egg. Black Talon (now sold as "Ranger SXT") had and has no qualities that make it more penetrative than any other hollowpoint. Two thin layers of an old kevlar PASGT jacket will stop a modern 9mm Hydra-Shok. It won't prevent it from causing tremendous internal bleeding or broken bones and likely killing someone, but it will stop the bullet from penetrating.
SansAuthoritas 8 months ago
Great video
cityvice123 11 months ago
@cityvice123 Thank You...for watching!
rugersix 11 months ago
For what it's worth my CCW instructor who is also a deputy sherrif told us the black talon is no longer sold because when the mushroom out,the copper jacket was very sharp and jagged. He said the gangbangers were notorious for using it. When the surgeons were removing the bullets they could often pierce the gloves and fingers of the surgeon. Exposing them to Aids and disease. He also said they would not pierce body armor. Any myth busters out there ?
carvinrigged 1 year ago
@carvinrigged Thanks! did get the feed back...Appreciate you commenting though!
rugersix 1 year ago
ur a fag, my raven arms .25 shits all over any gun u own fool. surenos 13 por vida ese
greeneyes97402 1 year ago
@greeneyes97402 Thanks for watching.
rugersix 1 year ago 4
@greeneyes97402 haha dude your ghetto as fuck. arent youre cool with your tiny .25! man up, get a .45! oh wait, cant shoot it sideways; itll smack you in the face...
crimson1667 9 months ago
@greeneyes97402 haha dude your ghetto as fuck. arent you cool with your tiny .25! man up, get a .45! oh wait, cant shoot it sideways; itll smack you in the face...
crimson1667 9 months ago
@greeneyes97402 Your a fag, Id kill you in a shootout I'm pretty sure you can't hold a gun correctly.
009jorge1 8 months ago
Wouldnt it be funny though? Hope I didnt hurt your feelings.. Really your vids are fun to watch. Your real and informative. I got a lot of good things from them to think about and put into action. Thanks again
dmanbass 1 year ago
@dmanbass Nope...but I see you have no posted videos...it's not as easy as it looks keeping the ball rolling without the uhhh-ummmm game! =)
rugersix 1 year ago
Rugersix: You know what would be funny and I would love to see you post. Take all your videos and just edit everything out but you saying :Uh" and string them all together. Call it the "Uh" video.. :-). Just kidding (maybe) Love the vid's, thanks for sharing your info and your insight.
dmanbass 1 year ago
@dmanbass Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........Ouch! =)
rugersix 1 year ago
Great product display! Great videos and info.
TheGeorgeGuide 1 year ago
@TheGeorgeGuide Thank You very much for watching!!! I appreciate the feed back!
rugersix 1 year ago
What do you think about the Taurus .45/.410? Worth buying?
NEBRASKANfarley96 1 year ago
@NEBRASKANfarley96 i think u should buy one; then use it on yourself >:}
greeneyes97402 1 year ago
Ruger six, what are you thoughts on the 32 hr magnum?
mark3smle 1 year ago
@mark3smle I like a revolver chambered in that...ammo is expensive and not always readily available.
rugersix 1 year ago
black talons are winchester SXT bullets with a black coating
took them off the non LEO market after bad press
and sold the with out the black coating as win SXT
the body armor thing is anti gun hype
teflon only helps feeding
turboMATRIX03 1 year ago
xsnakemandougx...sorry but I don't have the hang of communicating in this venue but to answer your question, yes I have considered the LCP. Haven't seen the Ruger but a gun shop near here had the Tarus version and I was not impressed with it. Thanks
chug1948 1 year ago
Ruger6, thanks for your response. I am a recent CCDW qualifer here in KY and I am in the 'usual' quandry ' caliber vs carry ability vs velocity and penetration. Was looking more at the LCR but with my history of semiauto I simply am on a quest now. Thanks
chug1948 1 year ago
@chug1948 Your Welcome! =)
rugersix 1 year ago
Ruger 6, truly enjoyed your presentation. Assume your are ex-mil with a suffix of 6 and partial to Ruger. I am looking at the LCR for CC and wondered what you thought.
Carried M1911A1 throughout my mil career and it's tough going away fron autos. Thanks
chug1948 1 year ago
@chug1948 Thank You..in all honest I am not ex-mil my step-son was in at the time and I was showing my support for him. The LCR is an awesome conceal carry option...I did a three part review on it, and just took it out and shot a few days ago there is a clip of that as well.
rugersix 1 year ago
@chug1948 have you considered a lcp?
xsnakemandougx 1 year ago
Glock is also a option. Especially the 19 model. I own one and it's great!
JohnnyMurata 1 year ago
@JohnnyMurata It is an option, just not my choice! =)
rugersix 1 year ago
@rugersix I love you're gun options here exept from that polish crappy P-63 or 64. They suck like you said.
JohnnyMurata 1 year ago
@JohnnyMurata I meant P-64 not 63 I need to add an annotation! I got it as a collectible and that's all!
rugersix 1 year ago
Are you sure it's a good idea to carry so many different guns. What if you forget which one you're carrying when it matters most?
ArmednSafe 1 year ago
@ArmednSafe I'm showing options here these are not all my carry guns only a select few and the function depending on revolver or semi-auto is basically the same...just like driving a car. =)
rugersix 1 year ago
@rugersix I guess revolvers are not really a problem. But I was thinking of all the different safeties that get put on semi-autos. Fumbling with a safety could mean your life. It's just a thought. If you feel confident with any handgun, then go for it. If it were me, I would carry something as versatile as possible and only carry that.
ArmednSafe 1 year ago
@ArmednSafe Personally I prefer DOA in semi-autos for conceal carry! No safeties to fumble with like you said!
rugersix 1 year ago
If someone wanted to produce a violently expanding round, they could load a hollow-based wadcutter upside down. I've seen what such a round can do (in 38 spl) when shot at a 2x4 from 20 feet. That might be an interesting video to post.
profitleads 1 year ago
The armor-piercing claim of WW's Black Talon ammunition is a well-documented myth. Such violent expansion characteristics, by their very nature, make them far less likely to penetrate body armor. They were named as part of a ridiculous 1996 lawsuit (thrown out of court) that attempted to claim that the ammunition itself was "responsible" for an attack carried out on passengers of the Long Island Railroad. Olin industries caved in and stopped production.
profitleads 1 year ago
What? I'm late 40's. 6'1" 175 lbs. Not all middle-aged American men are fat bodies.
Notwithstanding the soma stereotype commentary, good video.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts Good for you.... I wasn't implying anything
rugersix 1 year ago
@rugersix I know, not complainin', just explainin!' Keep up the good work.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts I lost about 29 lbs since this vid! LOL
No worries! =D
rugersix 1 year ago
Why not carry the tokarev? Its the BEST pistol ever!!!!!
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
@ScopedOUT2 It is nice...I since have picked one up after this vid was made.
rugersix 1 year ago
My grandfather carry's the new Taurus PT 707 Slim, its very thin (duh) and its a good shooter, kinda a long trigger pull though.
jakedaredneck 1 year ago
Sounds good! Haven't seen those yet!
rugersix 1 year ago
@jakedaredneck i sold my taurus slim for a kahr cw9. Haven't looked back. 0
problems with the kahr. To many with the
taurus
acort10 1 year ago
@jakedaredneck I meant 709 Slim
jakedaredneck 1 year ago
My favorite rounds were the hydro shock and the Winchester silver tips. I used to sometimes mix them up along with FMJ's in the winter (because of the possibility of heavy clothing) and just the hollow points in the summer.
captquest1 1 year ago
Good Idea!
rugersix 1 year ago
im 26 and have that problem lol but i also carry a full sized glock 21 (concealed)
Camarodragon777 1 year ago
How much dose a handgun cost today?
asdfforretard26979 1 year ago
Well that all depends on the type and style etc. Can range from $300 to $1200!
rugersix 1 year ago
you got a good handgun collection
hilbillhunter95 1 year ago
Thank You...it's grown since then!
rugersix 1 year ago
If you can find it or know somebody that reloads the 38 Special +P, 158gr, lead hollow point aka "FBI load" is said by many to be one of the best performing .38 loads ever.
Notayup 2 years ago
@Notayup Sounds good!
Just make sure the gun is +P rated! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
Love your videos dude. You have GREAT screen presence which so many YouTubers don't! And I sooooo agree with your philosophy of use and idealogy (i.e. the .38 and the .22 as CCW options) so you are partly preaching to the choir where I am concerned. Don't know if you follow Nutnfancy on YouTubve but you are 2nd only to him AFAIAC!!! Keep it up (from buzzed lonely guy on a Friday -- FYI I carry a Lawman Mk III 2" and a Python 6" for home defense)
kriton4414 2 years ago
Thanks for the nice compliments it's much appreciated my friend! Nutnfancy here just the facts! lol =] Gotta love that Python the very best revolver ever made!!!!
Gotta do a full review on mine one of these days! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
Hey rugersix! Wanted to let you know exactly why the Black Talons were discontinued. The short of it is that Surgeons were afraid that the "talons" would tear the medical gloves and increase the chance of bloodborne pathogen transmission. A cheaper option that's CLOSE to the Talon style is the Ranger SXT. Also, was wondering if a polymer Jericho 941 is a good idea for con carry/house gun. I've seen your reviews on them, and was wondering,if the polymer can hold up, etc.
Thanks,
Lordescrow
lordescrow 2 years ago
THANKS!!!!!!! =]
A polymer Jericho??????
ABSOLUTELY....I highly recommend this gun to anyone!!!! My next Jericho will be a polymer!
rugersix 2 years ago
Thanks for watching!
rugersix 2 years ago
Was you with the 101st????I am with the 82nd.
deha24 2 years ago
Actually my step-son was! I wore that out of support for him! He's out now and glad to be he did a tour in Iraq and Afghanistan.
rugersix 2 years ago
I just got a S&W 642 in .38 spec. recoil is not an issue for me, do you have a suggestion on what type of ammo is best for carry? ***** :]
punisher032388 2 years ago
I now have the S&W 442!!! =]
Nice guns!!!!
I like the low recoil 110gr by Federal Hydra-Shok.
rugersix 2 years ago
no glocks??? wtf?? glock 26, 36, 21 all better than the options u chose
pbboy69 2 years ago
glocks??????
What are those??????????????
rugersix 2 years ago
haha, your talking to a ruger man. e personally im a springfield armory kinda guy
Dmajorproductions 2 years ago
Hey Ruger, Just wondering what your thoughts were on the Bersa Thunder 380? I have one myself and love it. Definitely a high-value PPK clone. Have you shot it at all?
Miceman25 2 years ago
I use to own one and wish I still did!!!!!
Excellent choice for conceal carry my friend!
Thanks for watching!
rugersix 2 years ago
i dont know much about it i do know that yes black talon can go through and through armor and in some states is illeagel u might want to check
hopecamel 2 years ago
i have shot the black talons in .45 acp. the ranger stx is the same exact bullet minus the molidnium coating. great bullet. i prefer the magteck gaurdian gold series, but the best luck ive had is with hydrashocks in .45 auto
jimi380 2 years ago
Have you tried the "Extreme Shock" frangible rounds? They have some incredible ballistics; I'd guess three times the hydraulic shock effect of the Glazers without an exit wound.
AaronAlso 2 years ago
No Aaron I have not! Thanks I'll look into those are those made by Federal as well?
rugersix 2 years ago
No Extreme Shock is an independent company from what I can tell...
Extreme Shock Ammunition
Rt. 2 Box 304-N
Clintwood, Virginia 24228 USA
276.926.6772
877.337.6772 (toll free)
The rounds are not cheap, but for self-defense my life or my family's lives are always more valuable.
the NyTrillium rounds seem to have the most shock, the Air Freedom rounds are probably the safest, and the Enhanced Penetrations rounds are dual purpose; penetrating common barriers before franging.
AaronAlso 2 years ago
OK-Thanks for the info much appreciated!!!!
rugersix 2 years ago
black talon was replaced with winchester "ranger"
doodahead1 2 years ago
I actually carry around a Makarov right now and I might suggest to anyone who has one to use the original grips as you have on the video. At first I had the rubber grips but it was far too bulky. It works great with shoulder holster carry it is just the right size.
MrGOPERA 2 years ago
awesome!
thanks for adding this excellent information on a good carry option in the MAK! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
One of the reason's Black Talon's were made illegal is due to the way they fragment on penetration. They leave a lot of small sharp fragments and when the doctors would due surgery to retrieve they would get cut and with the diseases out there. They also got outlawed due to their name and the fact that could not due a forensics test to find out what weapon fired them.
MrCntrybyWlkr 2 years ago
100% of what you said is COMPLETELY FALSE, it was never banned or outlawed. they do not fragment and they can be traced.
smoggmage 2 years ago
good video, this really helps new carriers see the options they have.
MrGOPERA 2 years ago
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
rugersix 2 years ago
Another Great Video.
Congrats.
The layout of these things are amazing. Either you or your son is a techie!!!!!!
mejt223 2 years ago
Thanks!
Well he did get me started and then I took off from there! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
I have a holster designed for a Kahr cw9. I found that the Makarov fits in it quite well. Your Mak might fit in your Kahr pistol holster.
nextexhale 2 years ago
there was ALOT of controvercy over that black talon ammo, it was used by quite a few law enforcement agencies which of course influenced the civilian market (a similar example is the AR-15 and M-4 weopon platforms) the ammo is known for being pron to "demonizing" if used for self defence because of this and the body armor penatrating capabilities. basically it was another quality product killed by ignorent non-gun people. what a shame!
MrCQB 2 years ago
RugerSix, The black talon's are infact still sold. However they are sold under the Winchester Personal Defense name. They are the same bullets as were loaded into the black talons however they have lost their black coating. I hope this helps.
LLCranford3 2 years ago
This is bad ass.
mastafish 2 years ago
Thanks! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
the holster that i use to carry a fullsize 1911 or a fullsize CZ 75BD is an Uncle Mikes soft inside the pants holster. it is better than any other holster i have tryed including my 75 dollar Galco leather holster. the Uncle Mikes is only $9.95. its a secret so dont tell anyone that a 10 dollar holster is better than a 100 dollar holster.
jarrodm2002 2 years ago
Very Good Point!!!!!!! =]
Thanks!!!!
rugersix 2 years ago
I would go with the colt 1911 or a litghter model by a different company and a higher mag cap
fax565 2 years ago
Black Talon isnt sold anymore because, it expands SO WELL, that, their were several rumors going round that a surgeon trying to remove a black talon would cut his fingers on the bullet, it expands so well.
As well, a gunman used Black talons in the Long Island Railroad Mass Murder. As well, because of its black coating (a type of lubricant) it was reported to pierce body armor and gained the title "cop-killer" because of it. Winchester was recieving heat and ended production because of the bull
magnum9987 2 years ago
Thanks Magnum!!!!!!
rugersix 2 years ago
Black talon rounds are banned more or less because they were the round used to kill senator Carolyn McCarthy's husband. Its a myth that they expand so well, as well as the cop killer myth, and the armor piercing myth, and the surgeon myth. They just don't have the velocity to pierce armor.
All of those myths were started by her, and the Brady Campaign in order to get them banned.
blackprophetmmii 2 years ago
Black Talons aren't banned. Winchester willingly took them off the line because they where receiving bad press. If Winchester wanted to, they could put them back on the line again
magnum9987 2 years ago
Aren't Ranger SXT's the same thing?
Riflemanm16a2 2 years ago
5.11 makes great pants for ccw. elastic waist. great vids by the way
exidfsniper 2 years ago
Good information!!!!
That's right a bit on the spedy side if I'm not mistaken?
Thanks for watching!!!
rugersix 2 years ago
great vid on conceal carry!! just wish i had the option, but us californian gun owners cant do anything!! keep the 2nd alive!!
audiojoe23 2 years ago
Thanks!
Your in one of the unfortunate 50!!! =[
rugersix 2 years ago
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A Right-To-Carry reform bill has been introduced this legislative session in Sacramento.
Assembly Bill 357, sponsored by Assembly Member Steve Knight (R-36), would create a shall issue concealed handgun permit system in California. Under current law, an applicant must show cause as to why they should be issued a permit to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense. AB357 would remove that stipulation and require sheriffs to issue the license if all other mandated criteria are satisfied.
mrblazito 2 years ago
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mrblazito 2 years ago
I like the makarov (or however it's spelled) but i hate the old euro mag release. Granted the one I've been shooting is like vintage 1950 or something.
wheelzmanianDevil 2 years ago
What kind is it Russian etc.?
Does it have the adjustable sights?
Mine's a Bulgarian w/fixed sights.
rugersix 2 years ago
Fixed sights, don't have it in front of me so I'm not positive where it was made but I believe it came out of east Germany. Releasing the magazine requires both hands and turning the weapon upside down.
wheelzmanianDevil 2 years ago
Ive carried a Glock 26 in a Uncle Mikes IWB holster for the past year(havnt missed a day) and it is very comfortable,and only cost 9 dollars!!!
I recommend Uncle Mikes IWB holsters!!!
Sniperman1964 2 years ago
Good recommendation Passport is another company which makes the same style for even less than Uncle Mike's!
rugersix 2 years ago
The main problem of amo types is media hype. Worst part is the general public eats it up. The worst wounds and damage I have seen have been 38 special FMJ. They have a habit of ricoceting inside the rib cage and lodging in the spinal colum. I have seen several shot in the chest wind up in the spine of the neck, leaving victims quadrapeligic. That is personal experince as a paramedic.
n8tex254 2 years ago
n8tex254-I really want to thank you for adding that information on the .38 special cartridge! I had no idea...a lot of folks dis the .38 as not a worthy defense round anymore...I've alway's disagreed. Thanks for adding your expertise to the subject here. Your comment gets 5-stars from
R6!!!!
rugersix 2 years ago
Also some tend to underestimate the serious wounds caused by .22 and .25 auto cal. The last pesron I saw with a .22 wound was hit initialy in the shoulder, the round ricoceted off of the bone and went under the ribcage and tore into both lungs. The person did survive, but barely, and the surgeon said it was like putting a puzle back together missing some pieces as far as operating on the lungs. Other was 25 auto to the head. ME said it looked like brain was in a blender.
n8tex254 2 years ago
Thanks for more good info mate! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
A similar thing, is that supposedly, a super high velocity .22 will pierce into a human skull, and bounce around inside of the skull, causing massive injuries
magnum9987 2 years ago
massive injuries, how bout death
ibbiggs 2 years ago
Not always guaranteed. Death from a low shock, high pierce injury such as a .22 to the brain would likely be caused by hemorrhage leading to increased inter cranial pressure, leading to heart failure and further death of brain tissue.
The point is, that takes time. lots of it.
blackprophetmmii 2 years ago
don't talk shit,
yes your last point regarding the death of brain tissue WILL take a bit of time.
But once you penetrate the skull and throw a bullet in there, they're fucked. Instantly.
They may not be dead straight away, but this almost certainly going to have an effect on breathing, the hearts abiliity to function and definately the persons ability to move correctly.
A shot to the head is almost certainly going to cause death, but even if it doesnt it will cause immobilisation, guaranteed.
Doran345 2 years ago
Its a fact that .22 will bounce off bone. One kid I KNOW was backyard shooting his .22, the bullet ricocheted off a rock, struck him in the shoulder, was deflected downward, hit another rib, and bounced out of his body. It was 2in from his aorta, missed an inch from his lungs, and missed less than an inch from his liver. Its amazing he didn't die, even more amazing that the only wounds where the two fractured ribs
magnum9987 2 years ago
Ever heard of James Brady? He was shot IN THE HEAD WITH AN EXPLOSIVE .22, and lived. 1923, a rumrunner getting chased by a coast guard vessel was shot in the head by a .30-06 fired from an m1919 and survived after 4 days in a comma
magnum9987 2 years ago
I have a dislike for people like you.
It doesnt really matter if its going to cause "massive injuries".
If you shoot somebody with any handgun in an area like the head of another red area, YOU and everybody else around you, is now safe.
Whether the attacker is dead or not, isn't a big deal.
If I was ever in the position of defending myself with a gun I would do just that, not up to me to decide who lives or dies, just up to me to ensure I don't.
Doran345 2 years ago
What the fuck is wrong with you? All I did was state some facts.
It does matter, when amateur, non experienced shooters gain a CCL, and need a bullet with more stopping power so they don't HAVE to be completely accurate. You are the shithead
magnum9987 2 years ago
I'm not arguing that at all. My point was that high velocity rounds, .223 rounds do not necessarily deliver the shock, and energy transfer it takes to disrupt brain activity the way a larger caliber round would.
As magnum posted .22 rounds, in particular .22 LR rounds have a tenancy to tumble inside the cranium due to angles of incidence being too small to exit. I am not talking shit. I am saying people should carry as large a caliber as they are comfortable, and make shots count.
blackprophetmmii 2 years ago
if you are carrying a .380, .38 special or a 9mm you should check out the Hornady Critical Defense ammunition, 100% reliable expansion! also if you want .38 special +P they have that too. The .380 even gets close to 10 inches of penetration in ballistics gelatin (i think its around 9.4 inches) man that sounded like a commercial. But like all ammunition right now, good luck finding it.
Timisso1337 2 years ago
Good information thans for adding that!
rugersix 2 years ago
part 2
"The ammunition was targeted by those opposed to handguns, and the reputation was very different in the public, and eventually the Talons became to be known by the moniker "cop-killer" bullets. The hype of the Black Talon ammunition was the black coating on the bullets themselves. There were false rumors that the bullets were armor piercing and could penetrate the Kevlar vests worn by police officers." hard to belive taht a hollopoint would penetrate since they are made to expand :P
EwFreDDe 2 years ago
i read a little about the black talon and they probably stop producing them and i quote "To further the controversy, some medical personnel claimed that the sharp barb like tips could potentially cause tears in the surgical gloves and hands of the medical workers, exposing them to greater risk of infection,however there are no documented reports of this actually happening."
if this is true i dont know. u've probably know about this by now :)
EwFreDDe 2 years ago
This subject has more than been covered good research thats what I've been hearing!
rugersix 2 years ago
That would be a totaly false statemen. Speaking as a medic I can positively say no one would attemmpt to touch a bullet in someone. that is what forceps are used for. Also when removing expanded bullets most have sharp edges on them, especialy if they contacted bone when entering.
n8tex254 2 years ago
indeed. last fall was my first year moose hunting and some of the bullets and fragments we found in the bodies where razor sharp.
EwFreDDe 2 years ago
Your collection never ceases to amaze me!
I'm jealous of your Makarov, and I'm even more jealous of your Polish P-63.(are you sure it's not a P-64?) Anyway, I didn't know how unreliable those pistols were; from what I've read, they were relatively simple and inexpensive Polish service guns. I just like their design, (I REALLY love mid-20th century European pistols) and I'd love to buy one as a collector's item.
I've heard of Black Talons, my uncle actually has a box of .357 Black Talons.
VolcanosGoBoom 2 years ago
You are correct...I meant to say P-64! I need to add an anotation in there I guess!
I'm not a big fan of the P-64 as I noted in the vid. But it is one of the most slender Semi-auto's I've seen. I got it simply for the collector value. Thanks!
rugersix 2 years ago
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your P-64? I figured that when I do buy one, I wouldn't use it as a concealed carry gun, mainly because of it's low capacity. But still, they are interesting little pistols and make a nice addition to any gun enthusiast's collection.
About the Black Talons, my uncle told me that Black Talons are banned. As you said, can penetrate body armor; he mentioned something about them being hollow-point with a grooved-center.
VolcanosGoBoom 2 years ago
$183.62 after shipping and transfer fee! Got it back in about 2005, and probably only shot it two or three times.
Thanks! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
The winchester black talons are now made and sold (to law enforcement, but I've seen them at gun shows before) under the name of winchester ranger sxt ammunition. The only difference is that the ranger ammo is not coated with the black coating as the black talons were.
shoxscrubs 2 years ago
Thanks! I heard that before from another viewer! =] Appreciate you watching!
rugersix 2 years ago
A bad holster can make a difference in whether or not you decide to carry your weapon on you. It is VERY important to try a few out before buying one. Spend the money to get one that's comfortable and durable.
Speed strips are a great alternative to speed loaders because they fit into a back pocket for extra back up.
Federal Hydra-shock, Remington Golden Sabers, Speer Gold Dot, Buffalo Bore, Cor-bon, and Extreme Shock all make great +P ammo for 9mm.
TheEvilDiva 2 years ago
Very true...I just carried this weekend and lasted one day as the holster IWB's that I use all seem to dig into my side as the day wears on!
Good info thanks again for posting your comments! =]
rugersix 2 years ago
any recommendation on ammo for the NAA Gurardian .380
I've had trouble with jamming
circlebread 2 years ago
I'm using Federal Hydra-Shoc and have used Remington Golden Sabre
rugersix 2 years ago
Simply props my good friend simply props! =]
rugersix 3 years ago
What's the gun at 0:19?
Wintermute01001 3 years ago
0:19 transitions from the Kahr K9 to the Makarov 9X18
rugersix 3 years ago
What kind of finish does the Kahr have? I've never seen that color before. Or is it just a trick of the light?
Wintermute01001 3 years ago
It's a satin stainless...if you check my channel I did a gun review on it if you want to see some close ups.
rugersix 3 years ago
They quit producing Black Talon because it was to easy to indentify (black paint on the slugs still) when extracting slugs from bodies. Winchester was afraid of getting sued. The round was referred to as "the flying ashtray" because of it's nasty expansion while penetrating into the body cavity.
AA550cord 3 years ago
Black Talon's werent taken off of the market because they would penetrate body armor (it wont), and they didnt take it off the market because of its color making it easy to identify. The reason they were taken off the civilian market was because of the reputation they were getting (and giving other hollow points) due to the sharpness of the expanded talons and the supposed damage they were causing people shot with them. They voluntarily removed them from the civilian market.
nebmike 2 years ago
Nice Vid. Nice collection of Roscoes, and pimp guns. Keep up the good work. Great info.
AA550cord 3 years ago
cool guns, you should have a little more preparation before you record yourself... what exactly are you trying to show?
and actually most people wont go below a .380 for self defense but all guns are leathel so im guessing thats what your guessing,
but im guessing you've probably never had to shot anybody because i doubt anyone would pick you as a good target
wbrownsewanee 3 years ago
Thanks for commenting!
rugersix 3 years ago
No...I collect them! =]
rugersix 3 years ago
DO YOU SELL GUNS?????
guttaboi317 3 years ago
Why NOT!!! =] I just don't own one! I only used examples from the inventory mate! =]
rugersix 3 years ago
Why not a Kel-tec PF9!! Its a Thin 9mm, with a bolt on belt clip Option!
kidhonda89 3 years ago
That's the part that sucks. Testing out holsters, especially for different weather, like summer carry, makes it hard to find out what works for you. I can't wear bigger pants, I'm a girl and we gotta look hot all the time! LOL The black talon doesn't penetrate body armor any more than any other JHP but it does cause tissue damage and have a larger cavity wound channel than some other rounds. It was removed from market due to pressure from gun control proponents.
bayareababe2004 3 years ago
Thanks for the Black Talon info the point has been made by several viewers! =] Well you got me there very true I was referring to male viewers...shame on me! However not all women feel the need to look HOT all the time. It's what's on the inside that make a real woman not what's outside although that is important as well! =] I agree holsters can be a pain...perhaps a ankle holster would best meet your needs?
rugersix 3 years ago
i should show you all my guns
penguinturd905 3 years ago
Drop me the clip when you do! This isn't all there is mate! =} My table is not big enough.
rugersix 3 years ago
Earlier there were many comments about Black Talon. There is a ton of hype around the round, but it isn't all that it is cracked up to be. In all honesty, any of the newer self defense rounds are more effective. If you just have to have some, the Ranger SXT Law Enforcement round is basically an update without the black color.
It does not punch through body armor. The coating was a gimmick that backfired, it didn't make it more dangerous. It was pulled thanks to the media not knowing anything.
EchoFour 3 years ago
Thanks once again EchcoFour for some good information regarding the Black Talon...I still have a box! =] I'll have to try some of that STX that's by speer I think!
rugersix 3 years ago
That's close, but it did do some serious damage for what it was. When the round mushroomed, it caused it to fold out into sharp points that, at the time, inflicted major wounds that had not been seen in a firearm round prior.
Unfortunately people were stupid, and thought it was coated with Teflon, but it really wasn't as it was a coating of what they called Lubalox that was supposed to protect the barrel from wear.
Winchester buckled under negative media and discontinued the product.
Jedhyr 3 years ago
Plus, it just looked awesome.
Jedhyr 3 years ago
No...357Magnum is longer than .38Special!
rugersix 3 years ago
I always thought .357s fit in a .38 special, not the other way around, since .38 is a larger diameter than .357....
cobbconstruction 3 years ago
If your carrying a P220, I recommend Blackhawk leather holsters. Thats my everyday carry weapon, I use blackhawk. Considering Im a slim guy it works extremely well. Its print is almost none. Its also comfortable sitting or standing. Draw is natural and comfortable, as well as fast. Then again holsters are personal so it maynot be the best choice for you. There is one thing, it does not pass the retention test of holding the holster upside down with the weapon in it.
TerriLi 3 years ago
well, I dont carry yet, because i dont have my ccw permit but i am trying to find out the best holsters. i have one of the serpa paddle holsters for it. do you mean like one of the angle adjustable paddle holsters? i have often looked at those... thanks for your input!
dadude247 3 years ago
what kind of holster do you have your kahr in? looks very nice! thanks for all your great vids!
dadude247 3 years ago
That one is a Galco paddle style holster...very comfortable it's made for the Kahr K-9! Thanks again!!! =]
rugersix 3 years ago
you mean like a PLE paddle holster? Sorry, i have been looking for one like that for a long time for my sig p220
dadude247 3 years ago
Yes! That would be it!
rugersix 3 years ago
Ok, thanks!!!
dadude247 3 years ago
Thanks for offering a reasonable bit of information regarding these. Mine cost $21.00 for six in .38 Special. I still find my self going back to Federal Hydro-Shoc in the 100gr low recoil as I have several alloy frame revolvers used for conceal carry. Excellent information thanks again!
rugersix 3 years ago
Glasers do work, just have some problems. They are hidiously expensive, 6 rounds cost 15 dollars. Wounds induced from them are surgically hard to repair, in the body they kinetically...well detonate is the best way to discribe it. Cops are trained to shoot to stop a target, not kill. The finaly reason is they are designed not to over penetrate, this in cold climates where layering is common they can sometimes do no damage to the target.
TerriLi 3 years ago
If Glaser Safety rounds worked, don't you think all cops would carry them?
greatvaluemustard 3 years ago
To answer your question about why they banned Black Talons, there are several reasons. One is it can defeat "some" partically older pre-1990 soft body armor, two its wound track is almost always fatal in the torso, and on some individuals can remove limbs almost completely, three it was scape goated by anti-gun movement as a purely armor piercing round.
TerriLi 3 years ago