Spirituality (not religion) and Science

[AJC112358]

I left a video response. I feel that people that can at least understand or accept your point of view are parts of human consciousness waking up. The ties between Science and Religion. I'm so happy to find someone else who agrees. I just came across this revolution recently and I have the greatest urge to share this information.

[pemala777]

Human being is garbage we r killing each other eating these poor animals thats it

[luvtheearth1]

I like you. We would have good conversations. Good post. Sensible. :) Law of Attraction in Anction! Whoo Hoo!

[gigagroove]

Firstly, you are very well read and speak extremely well. Secondly, how old are you, my God, probably 19 or so years. Great stuff man, whether people agree with you or not, you sure present your case very intelligently. You're going far, very far both spiritually and physically. Enjoy the ride, and stay humble as you seem to be.

[SudanCarib]

well ur right we just have no knowledge of how we got here in the first place. and we surely dont know what is going to happen after death and those two has been the biggest mystery of all time. lets just leave it as an unanswerqable question and just enjoy the fact of existing and enjoying life til it is our time to go.

[omegapoint444]

hey man, what you say over there in the info box - I agree. we are god/the divine; everything is. Watch my 2012 vid 4 a non-logical preview of 2012!! xx

[justinrief]

Humans are bacteria, all our thoughts on meaning and ourselves are biological tricks to keep perpetuating the race. You need to stop arguing about a fucking question that no one can provide absolute truth on. Loose your ego, come to the realization that we all exist on this same rock. Think for yourself. Do something to better our existence.

PEACE

[dubified89]

@justinrief Humans are not bacteria. Bacteria is bacteria

[Daniedogs]

i dont belive in god. i belive in science because i dont belive one man created the world. if he did where was he the whole time?

[dgracey01]

I deal in science. I studied science and I despise the church who plays on our fears. But on my limited perception, on the field, I worked with transgenic crops for years, I can see order and method behind the madness. Enough to suggest the possible existance of a grand engineer, designer behind it all. Some of the language used to write the universe we already know, some of the chapters are and will be a mystery, for the next million years

[omegapoint444]

Its a higer consciousness that is in everything~

[SudanCarib]

umm religion is spirituality. idk wats the diference

[FirelionGuate]

Religion makes itself righteous and seeks its own approval and its humane and not spiritually productive. Spirituality does in fact work and comes with change.

[SudanCarib]

but if it wasnt for religion, there would be no spritualty.

[FirelionGuate]

well, not really. With religion there in no true spirituality or relationship with the life giver. Him and us humans were way before religion was. Religion is not necessary.

[Taors]

Since a few days ago I've been watching your videos from the beginning and have been enjoying them immensely...however, I've noticed a trend in your thinking about people who ascribe to a particular religion. I'll agree with you that the majority of them believe whatever mommy and daddy told them when they were young, but have you never met an open minded Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist, who's thinking tends to be more aligned with your own?

[toshiyaaiyang]

People who believe in religion look at things and the world with a CERTAINTY; on the other hand, People who do Not believe in religion look at things and the world with DOUBTS.........

[notartnow]

Well done young jedi!

[sanddrill77]

Interesting point "Nature needs to fixed" NO we need to make maschines that can adapt to nature. Som kind of symbiosis. It must be done correct & with utmost respect towards nature.

[IlluminatedJones6]

You are absolutely right. The entire bible is a metaphor. It's metaphysical and Astrological.

[MrCautious]

if everyone daily conversation was like this we would have a clue

[xephyr1000]

As a general pantheist, I get your point, and share it! Thanks.

[sonyan1191]

WOOOW!!! a very pretty boy whose a spiritualist and very smart lool not something you see everyday lol your cuute :)

ok im a spiritual person and i believe that religion is a bunch of bologna :P but you got to understand people who are religious are scared of eternal damnation and people who are scienctist dwells on physical evidence it takes guts to walk between worlds and the funny thing about it is spiritually and science walks hand and hand people will learn did i mention u were cuute :DDD

[BlazzingSun]

this is awsome...

thank you.

[Gaz7781]

That was well said mate and im with you on that great vid an AntiCitizenX you no not what you speak.

[jhessgirl]

I think you have a great points here. I am a biologist and spiritual person. I actually just transitioned from Islam and I feel more free if that is the word. I really liked that science allows us to observe natural dynamics of this world from a third party observer! Very well put. I wonder what you have to say with Spirituality and Evolution because to quote Dobahnsky (renowned biologist) " Nothing makes sense in science in the light of evolution'". Thanks for the video!

[loveyourposture]

nice video

[AntiCitizenX]

Spoken like a true man who wants desperately to believe in something for which there is no evidence, and so he concocts a miserable argument in its favor.

[TachiRdiesDirty]

I am a spiritual person, and an atheist., I do not like the use of the word religion here, its a problem of how to explain spirituality to people who deny their own spirituality?

Some people just are not conscious enough to have a spiritual point of view?

I agree with you about alot of this video.

[Killhealerfirst]

As an environmental engineer I called it bullshit. The entire holism bullcrap does not apply in the world of science. My entire work is calculating certain parts of nature and when many of us combine those parts together, we understand the nature.

Even in quantam physics we still need to study the relationships between small matters before you can study the universe as "a whole" There are plenty of scientists out there debunking quantam mystism and you should read the opinions of the elites.

[nspeert]

Neuroscience obviously has a long way to go until it can properly explain the brain states underlying the consciousness of spiritual experience. As a cognitive imperative our brains ascribe causes to their experiences, when a natural cause isn't sufficient a supernatural one is often applied. Maybe the spiritual label ascribed keeps the experience from fading from our subjective reality.

[estari4life]

Very well done. I need to talk to people like you more often. :-)

[SilentBud420]

we are nature

[ctwright82]

Human logic is weak and underminded. Spirituality has nothing to do with Logic and Reason. Spiritual Truth can not be communicated, only experienced in the individual. Well said.

[GlamourGoddess2]

You are so right. It is very personal & profound. Now that I'm enlightened I can see things much deeper. Spirituality is the Truth behind everything,

[theoriginalanomaly]

Logic and reason are based off of our reality/universe being based on causality. Causes and reasons. Logic is the expression of those reasons to another perspective. Unreasoned thinking is impossible. But we can choose to not reevalutate ourselfs and our experiences. But there is a reason for that too. And usually it comes down to being close minded because religion has indoctrinated. Trying to find an unreasonable or illogical means Impossible, and unexplainable. Perhaps you just like to debate

[Xakryn]

I like to say that humans exist in many ways to measure reality. God is a word for things that humanity cannot yet measure. Science renamed god discovery. Religion is the egos conformity to one world view. Spirituality is more the focus that the meaning of life is far more individual than an organized religion would like to admit. People leave reflections of self upon those they communicate with, those reflection are passed on to the next generation, thus making us eternal.

[decemberchill]

But now I've come across Deism and would really like to understand it..

[velvett37]

Life is a quest to know GOD or a SOURCE of life. Structured Religion is what confines you and chooses that quest (and all answers) for you. It is religion that divides all of mankind. I am not atheist. Whether it is theory, scientific or other (to include science)is not of importance.

[madman0000004]

My main beef is that you say that "more cultured people" have access to additional dogmas and that is why they believe what they believe i.e.; atheist or agnostic... I find that to be ultimately incorrect: if you put all you have into your one life, nothing begs the question as to life after death. Why waste a single minute pondering nonsense?

[ang1269]

Is this guy on medication or is it just a dense piece of maya? Or has he had a MIND BOMB brain implant? I'm getting anxious, I better double my lithium dose. Bye

[ang1269]

Is this guy on medication or is it just a dense piece of maya? Or has he had a MIND BOMB brain implant? I'm getting anxious, I better double my lithium dose. Bye

[madman0000004]

Philosophy does a fine enough job with that, without the need for religion...

[MaBu888]

There are, however religions with better and worst ideas. Sam Harris the famous atheist practices dzogchen. According to some schools of Tibetan Buddhism and Bön, Dzogchen is the natural, primordial state or natural condition of every sentient being, including every human being. Dzogchen, or 'Great Perfection' is the central teaching of the Nyingma school and is considered by them to be the highest and most definitive path to enlightenment.

[LeeKwangEng]

I learned that there is no better or worst ideas of religions. Who are we to judge if we have not attain the full enlightenment. It is precisely this type of "intelligence" that bring human to a state of comparing, and brought about envy, hatred, anger, etc.

[LeeKwangEng]

There are a terms in Buddhism call types of "Vehicles". There are "BIG" vehicles, "Medium " Vehicles, and the "small" vehicles. The difference is, "BIG" Vehicles are those cultivation and practices that aimed to bring salvation to all living things including humans. "Medium" vehicles are aimed to bring salvation to only a definite population of the human race. Where "small" vehicles are those sects of religion practices the major aims is to bring salvation to self only.

[LeeKwangEng]

What is the different between Philosophy and religion?

Philosophy only trying to explain, by itself mainly they do not aim to provide salvation to your spiritual reality.

Whereas Religion (may have different philosophical point of views) main noble aim is to salvage your soul, or by enlighten you.

[Yallno22]

The Material world is an illusion,not Real.

[MENCADO]

Religion vs. Science:

The religious perspective of religious reasoning is based upon spiritual principles. Science does not recognize such spiritual principles as relevant tools of measurement.

The arguement is insolvable, both on purely scientific and on purely religious terms, because the terms being used are not the same.

[MaBu888]

It, however,can be done without dogma: information about practical spirituality is present in such traditions as some esoteric christianity, islam's sufism, hindu yoga and advaita vedanta, several styles of buddhism and associated practices, daoism and some others. All of these have a baggage of dogma that the seekers will have to deal with. Notice that this dogma is almost always conflicting.I agree though.There should be no "versus" in any of this,at some time or place.Substrate consciousness.

[decemberchill]

But he talks of spirituality and science not of religion and science. Science has acknowledged that we have natural response to spirituality, from our brains. If we each come into life with a sense for God or, as

velvett37 says a Source of Life within us, science might actually help us understand more, never been so quick to dismiss gods or spirituality.Religion is man made, telling us to believe and live by what's in the book.

[decemberchill]

It will never accept any alternatives where science aims to question, and knowing is moving ahead with time not just through it. Spirituality is a part of us as emotions are, and we are a part of science. We should be able to embrace these 2.

[decemberchill]

dissing spirituality altogether in seeing only rationality and logic is much like a life where we neglect our personal emotional needs, we always need a balance..

I never understood why evolution can't be explained as part of creation, in a much bigger scale, that life was created with a pattern that naturally progresses. We and our spirituality and our knowledge is what will take us through time to perhaps unlock a higher conscious.. meh, i'm tired, Thanx for the post.

[LeeKwangEng]

Science deals with the eternal existence, Religion deals with the eternal nothingness.

Both will come to the same point.

Science already come up with the M-theory where point out dimensions are reality.

It will have a time where all practices of religion will realised that the etenal nothingness are the same, literally.

[LeeKwangEng]

Life and death means spirit transfering from this body to another. Pain, Suffering, Happiness will follows you depending on your deeds. Its never ending unless you obtained Tao, the "Secret of the Kingdom of GOD" Be enlightened By someone who know the secret, who have the wisdom to see the path. Someone or some thing that let you see the light, know your own true buddh nature, the "child" within you, then you will know the way back to the eternal pease/ nothingness.

[MaBu888]

No spirit all is ONE REALITY OF INFINITE POSSIBILITIES So everyone is right (not).

[LeeKwangEng]

Religion is only a form of cultural practices 4 e follower to obtain e tranquility of 1's spirit. Get our spirit in-tune with e eternal "nothingness"/Total peace.

Some need a fatherly like figure 2 achieve it, some need discipline to do it, so need motherly like figure 2 follow, some need logic, some need 2 just meditate on it.

Every action, there is an reaction, it is true even for the spiritual world, we cause pain, pain will find its way 2 u. If we give love, so love will be shine upon u.

[LeeKwangEng]

The Tao that are being express with words are not the real Tao, The "Name" (substitude with any thing like "GOD", "Buddha", "Tao" etc.) that are named are not the real name. Nothingness is the "Name" of the Beginning, Existance is the name for mother of everything (Taoism- Tao De Ching)

[LeeKwangEng]

Therefore the eternal nothingness is the way to gain its enlightenment, and eternal existance is the way to observed its beauty. These 2 may have different names but of the same origins, they are both considered "REmarkable", they are the "doors" to Every/All Remarkable things. (Taoism- Tao De Ching)

[amabodie]

When asked if there is a God, Buddha didn't reply. He never replied because the question itself is an illusion. The question does not exist outside of our consciousness and therefore the answer does not exist outside of our consciousness. True reason never asks the question because when it does it is being unreasonable. End of story. Get over it.

[cosmanthony21]

that interesting, what your saying is reason is unspoken?

[amabodie]

Not necessarily unspoken, I mean that reason is a tool and like every tool it has it's limitations. Documenting the meaning of existence using reason and logic is a never ending task. Because as you document it, you create more existence to document. Or you could say: for every answer there's a question to follow. This is why reason is insufficient.

[cosmanthony21]

excellent, I like how you think.

[ktorch]

Technology has done a pretty good job as through it our life span has increased many years in just 2 generations. Sure it has been used against humanity, but that's man's failure not a failure of science. Religion gives us no higher level of achievment. If you think so, next heart attack, reach for your Bible instead of scientific help.

[rockinrob1983]

its mind boggling! why do we think that god revolves around us, maybe we have nothing to do with god or wotever created the universe maybe we are just,maybe we are just another tiny part of the creation.if people took a step back and looked at the universe without us in the picture, through eyes that have no human thought and theorys just the facts maybe tehn we could find the answers we seek!

[jobedied]

cool young intelligent man wrestling with concerns in the world he expresses in . his expressions are sincere and from the heart.hope he withdraws from the lions mouth, seems he is unwinding satisfactorally

[happyjesus123]

The United States National Academy of Sciences has just published a book on Science, Evolution and Creationism (napDOTorg). It is intended for a general audience but might be a good source of quotes. I liked this one:

There is no contradiction between an evolutionary theory of human origins and the doctrine of God as Creator. (General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church)

[0ThouArtThat0]

I like it, too. I think fundamentalist Christians need to stop trying to deny the findings of science and start adapting their form of spirituality to the evidence. Knowledge does not offer us a complete view of the nature of existence, though it may often solve what were once problems. There is plenty of room left for a spiritual outlook even with, if not because of, much of contemporary science.

[GrimyNozzle]

Funny that in Inmendham's response to this video, he looks more like a fundamentalist nutter than anyone else in here...

Seriously man, you may be wasting your time discussing this with him - you can't bring spiritual poetry to a manically depressed nihilist. It's like trying to bark to a cat...

[HorridFroth]

Top Notch. Well reasoned and delivered.

[Loreleila]

Nicely said. Subbed.

[gratex]

Some people take things too far. It seems some feel the need for omniscience or omni-science... they want to "know-it-all" not to satisfy their own desires but to help others be like them. This universal universe of one language, one ideology, one mode of though is the real nihilism to be avoided. Any decent society is one that caters for the basic needs of the individual (objectivity, materialism), and the rest is the individual's freedom to seek their own answers.

[jogayot]

great... problem is it is overlapping. we must determine in what way it can overlap. but i think ultimately that order is not decided by mere spirituality or rationality. you have to consider the third "fraction", of what inmendham mentioned, that circumstance is created by individuals wanting to be happy, to draw that bite of nature [of whitch they/we are a part] away. in a sense: anarchy saves!

[jogayot]

to explain further. in the end it is actions, cold events. they may be the same in their meaning even with different motivation, whether spiritual or rational. they can [or can not] be explained, proved, whatever in mere words. so the cycle ends and begins.

[Ignare]

Another thing I can't stop thinking about is your first video you did on Merleau-Ponty and how much all this boil down to the theses three levels : imagination (religion) logic (science) and phenomenology (spirituality). The point I wanna make is that science offer models and a framework to unite these 3 levels.

[Ignare]

By the way, in my view, uniting is not reducing.

[0ThouArtThat0]

have you heard of integral theory?

[0ThouArtThat0]

I'll check out Pascal Boyer if you check out Jean Gebser.

en.wikipedia . org/wiki/Jean_Gebser

[Ignare]

I'm a bit of subject but Pascal Boyer propose a great framework to unite imagination (religion) and evolved cognition and social psychologist are proposing models for normative (logic) evaluation of information. What it means is that science is going to explain why we have myths and why we have culturally variable logic.

[denito9474]

Dude. Exactly. This is the revolution that must come. Odds are, it won't, but if it is going to, it will take a long time to implement, and it must be implemented personally and intentionally by any citizen of earth if they plan to be an inhabitant for very much longer. So we should all get started ASAP, this is going to take a few years.

Step 1: Grow your own food

[2bsirius]

The critical problem is the dilemma when science tries to define consciousness. It is impossible to understand consciousness through strictly materialistic methods. The reason for is simple -- We all experience consciousness as a first person narrative. By its nature, it can't be rendered into the objective, third person without changing it to the point of destroying it. It dehumanizes existence.

[2bsirius]

Another great thought provoking video, Matt!

[zezt]

Your vlog here is WONDERFULL! it really moved me. Great man, great!!

[SOCRATES012]

I agree with everything youve said on this video. There seems to be a few of us that think alike but not enough to reverse the cycles of control within the system that has taken over most of our environments. Do you think there is more that could be done other than communicating more? Do you believe non-violence plays a role? Genuine interest here

[GeraldP1983]

Hey man, totally agree with you on this stuff.

[TellUaboutIt]

What if a caterpillar has a conscience. If he were able to think would he think that he was dying after a life of crawling around eating just to find himself in a cocoon. When he emerged as a butterfly what now would he think, he would look totally different and could fly.

[TellUaboutIt]

So what if caterpillars could talk to each other and one told another this was what happened when they went into cocoon (died, to them) you're going to die, come back and be beautiful and fly. Would sound crazy to the other caterpillars right ?

[regresseur]

What's the point that you're trying to make?

[HaleyMary]

Interesting thoughts. I think it is true that everyone has their own creation myths. Whether it's a god or deity or a theory of a big bang it's all trying to explain something that people don't know, so they try to form a hypothesis based on what they observe around them in the world and the universe. I like the idea of cosmic unity. I think everyone would be much better off and more peaceful if there was a sense of unity in the world.

[pythagoras9]

A belief in mythology and religion, or in a god, or gods represents the hopes inherent within our being, they represent our subjective hopes projected outwardly towards an objective meaning, or what we think has meaning in the world, and we sometimes think it exists in the cosmos as a reality, but it is merely a projected hope and not an actuality. The gods of greek mythology do represent the essence of many aspects of reality that are abstract which we imagine as people.

[torrbana]

If you didn't separate yourself from reality, you wouldn't talk like this.

[regresseur]

Please elaborate.

[torrbana]

Is there one thing, or are there many? If one, do the many exist? If many, does the one exist? The answer is neither of the above. Since he is taking the 2nd position, I am taking the 1st. He seems to still be in the stage of accumulating knowledge, I thought he was beyond that based on his first videos. If he turns in to a Wilber fan, that will be sad indeed.

[patternsinchaos]

you also wouldn't learn about yourself.

[torrbana]

Before you can learn about your "self", you have to define your "self". Which is easier said, than done.

[patternsinchaos]

Well, that's part of the learning, is it not? Would you offer this as an argument for not studying it? Because you don't know what it is?

[torrbana]

Would you study something you could never know?

[patternsinchaos]

To know any of it?