it's hard to say who is a real fighter till you see.... I agree that traditional martial arts are really traditional and really arts, more healthful ...but just a few men can approach such understanding and effectiveness. I am saying that MMA as a form of training gives you a better training in comparison to karate. Do u watch fights in cage?
Most of you have never practice justu, grapling, boxing... am I right? This guy is nothing against well-trained MMA fighter!!! Karate is good for health but not enough to become a real warrior! >:(
Er...... you know that traditional martial arts were actually tested and used in wars, right? Not like MMA, which is nothing but a steroid-charged spectator sport..... You think MMA fighters are 'real warriors'. Ok....
no, traditional arts are not tested in wars :)....a long time ago karate was karate-jutsu...which is the deadful form of karate. After war it becomes more peaceful and spread out like karate-do, which tries to do less hard and more understanding among the trainees.
Ummm.. you basically just admitted it then. According to you, a long time ago, karate was more deadly.... the reason being they used it and other traditional martial arts in wars. MMA fighters are athletes who are trained to last long and take pain, but they're not warriors. In a fight to the death situation, they'd have a much harder time than a traditional martial artist, because their attacks aren't centered around fighting to kill, but rather for points.
I agree but nowadays I dont know a single person to have trainings like a real warrior. the same for MMA fighters.But a slight comparison will show you that the current karate trainees in total are less effective than thier MMA opponents. The master above has some technical mistakes in his performance above and that is according to the greatest shotokan master sensei Kato (still living). I can not saying anything about his efficacy. I believe that this master is powerful and severe fighter.
That's partially true. But not entirely. My sensei, for example, used his Karate and Aikijutsu in war and killed people with his martial arts. He trained about 50 years ago. However, to say that nowadays people are not trained like that is true in MOST cases, but not all. Ever since martial arts became a public thing for anybody, as opposed to a way of life, it has become watered down, but there are still some people who practice it in its truest form, most of whom won't be found in the US
As for MMA in terms of effectiveness, MMA is very good for building a strong body and definitely some fighting skills. However, a real warrior is a lot more than a fighter. It's not just in your body, but it's also in your heart. MMA fighters are arrogant showboats who have no composure or finesse. They have no control over their emotions, and it's evident in the way they fight. I'm not saying they're weak or can't fight or cowardly. They can fight and do serious damage for sure.
But a person with a true warrior's spirit is humble and does not seek to show off his prowess or seek recognition, nor does he cause pain to others needlessly, as is the case in MMA where people bloody each other up for others' entertainment.
I completely agree with your last 3 posts....however my comments were not about the spirit but concern the form of the kata and basic principles like holding up the heel while moving from one direction to another. I think that a real master should have a middle position between to blocks or between a hit and a block. Of course this position should not be underlined but must exist! I can send you (when I have time) some materials to see what I mean... Congrads for your good answers! Thanks!
@ganuk Well sure, but all in all, one can still achieve that level of mastery with traditional martial arts, they just need to have a real teacher. And they need to train hard like they used to back then. Nowadays, since people are busy, they 'don't have time' to train like that. But some people who really care about the art make time. Anyway, I appreciate your posts, and I'd love to see what you have to show me. Just send me a message.
:) no, i am not kidding ... I am not telling that he doesnt finish at the same place...at this point he is ok. I agree that this man can punch and kick...too many years practice...but dont bet on somebody 100% ;)... I am speaking about the heel when he goes back; i am speaking about the middle technic between the block and the hit. I am pretty sure that the last one is known by the master but he is exposing the sole form of the kata. But cannot understant the first "mistake" :).
well I'm pretty sure karate is less scientific and more of an art, that's why it's called martial 'art' not martial 'science'.
And as any artist, in any form of art, it may be pleasing for some (myself included) and there are also people who don't; anyway, bottom line: the guy is not only good but excellent, although as you point out not perfect, and that's because he's human
hey listen i am new to karate still very white belt lol ,still noob ,go ahead laugh,anyway i kinda suck at katas ,i have a question ,each arm must move with its leg right ??right with right ,left with left, no switching like attacking with right arm and taking a step with left leg ??
I was training karate shotokan for two years and I was always said that you get 10th dan after your death. also you can get some extra belts for spreding karate worldwide
funakoshi changed the name from pinan (okinawa) to heian (japan) and changed the order of the first two, so, heian shodan IS pinan nidan. you will have slight variations from style to style..i was also told nakayama sensei changed them from the way funakoshi did them..but i don't know for sure.
Manero 8D
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Herminio158 3 months ago
igual le pego XD
daglasandoval 1 year ago
Funny to see you people still discussing Karate vs MMA when we have a Karate champion in the UFC LHW division and plenty others in MMA.
Hotora86 1 year ago
it's hard to say who is a real fighter till you see.... I agree that traditional martial arts are really traditional and really arts, more healthful ...but just a few men can approach such understanding and effectiveness. I am saying that MMA as a form of training gives you a better training in comparison to karate. Do u watch fights in cage?
ganuk 2 years ago
Most of you have never practice justu, grapling, boxing... am I right? This guy is nothing against well-trained MMA fighter!!! Karate is good for health but not enough to become a real warrior! >:(
ganuk 2 years ago
Er...... you know that traditional martial arts were actually tested and used in wars, right? Not like MMA, which is nothing but a steroid-charged spectator sport..... You think MMA fighters are 'real warriors'. Ok....
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
no, traditional arts are not tested in wars :)....a long time ago karate was karate-jutsu...which is the deadful form of karate. After war it becomes more peaceful and spread out like karate-do, which tries to do less hard and more understanding among the trainees.
ganuk 2 years ago
Ummm.. you basically just admitted it then. According to you, a long time ago, karate was more deadly.... the reason being they used it and other traditional martial arts in wars. MMA fighters are athletes who are trained to last long and take pain, but they're not warriors. In a fight to the death situation, they'd have a much harder time than a traditional martial artist, because their attacks aren't centered around fighting to kill, but rather for points.
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
I agree but nowadays I dont know a single person to have trainings like a real warrior. the same for MMA fighters.But a slight comparison will show you that the current karate trainees in total are less effective than thier MMA opponents. The master above has some technical mistakes in his performance above and that is according to the greatest shotokan master sensei Kato (still living). I can not saying anything about his efficacy. I believe that this master is powerful and severe fighter.
ganuk 2 years ago
That's partially true. But not entirely. My sensei, for example, used his Karate and Aikijutsu in war and killed people with his martial arts. He trained about 50 years ago. However, to say that nowadays people are not trained like that is true in MOST cases, but not all. Ever since martial arts became a public thing for anybody, as opposed to a way of life, it has become watered down, but there are still some people who practice it in its truest form, most of whom won't be found in the US
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
As for MMA in terms of effectiveness, MMA is very good for building a strong body and definitely some fighting skills. However, a real warrior is a lot more than a fighter. It's not just in your body, but it's also in your heart. MMA fighters are arrogant showboats who have no composure or finesse. They have no control over their emotions, and it's evident in the way they fight. I'm not saying they're weak or can't fight or cowardly. They can fight and do serious damage for sure.
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
But a person with a true warrior's spirit is humble and does not seek to show off his prowess or seek recognition, nor does he cause pain to others needlessly, as is the case in MMA where people bloody each other up for others' entertainment.
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
I completely agree with your last 3 posts....however my comments were not about the spirit but concern the form of the kata and basic principles like holding up the heel while moving from one direction to another. I think that a real master should have a middle position between to blocks or between a hit and a block. Of course this position should not be underlined but must exist! I can send you (when I have time) some materials to see what I mean... Congrads for your good answers! Thanks!
ganuk 2 years ago
@ganuk Well sure, but all in all, one can still achieve that level of mastery with traditional martial arts, they just need to have a real teacher. And they need to train hard like they used to back then. Nowadays, since people are busy, they 'don't have time' to train like that. But some people who really care about the art make time. Anyway, I appreciate your posts, and I'd love to see what you have to show me. Just send me a message.
TheLeopardTail 2 years ago
soy cinturon verde de karate y es el mejor heian shodan k he visto
BAZZIL009 2 years ago
Very good indeed.
Linkenheld 2 years ago
Excelente!!!!!!!
Karate es el mejor
bellayvanne 2 years ago
the guy is excellent, not perfect... Karate is art.... I agree :) Peace! :)
ganuk 2 years ago
@ganuk hey man its not easy to get to 10th dan... dont fuck with this guy.. u'll just make yourself look like an idiot cos your sensei 'told you so'
takitezy7 2 years ago
@ganuk dude, he IS the maximum authority in the skif , if he makes the kata that way, the kata must be performed his way
got it ?
audex 2 years ago
:) no, i am not kidding ... I am not telling that he doesnt finish at the same place...at this point he is ok. I agree that this man can punch and kick...too many years practice...but dont bet on somebody 100% ;)... I am speaking about the heel when he goes back; i am speaking about the middle technic between the block and the hit. I am pretty sure that the last one is known by the master but he is exposing the sole form of the kata. But cannot understant the first "mistake" :).
ganuk 2 years ago
well I'm pretty sure karate is less scientific and more of an art, that's why it's called martial 'art' not martial 'science'.
And as any artist, in any form of art, it may be pleasing for some (myself included) and there are also people who don't; anyway, bottom line: the guy is not only good but excellent, although as you point out not perfect, and that's because he's human
Peace!
jaimesamuraie 2 years ago
thanks you ,i will ,it is very fun actually =)
punkdude1994 2 years ago
damn it ,could it get more complex ?? thanks anyway =)
punkdude1994 2 years ago
@punkdude1994 hahaha
takitezy7 2 years ago
hey listen i am new to karate still very white belt lol ,still noob ,go ahead laugh,anyway i kinda suck at katas ,i have a question ,each arm must move with its leg right ??right with right ,left with left, no switching like attacking with right arm and taking a step with left leg ??
punkdude1994 2 years ago
Hirokazu Kanazawa 10º Dan
tommyviva2000 2 years ago
I dont like how it is presented... the heel is not firm on the ground and preparation of the blocks is weak :)
ganuk 2 years ago
Are you kidding?!?! His form is perfect!
Look at the cross in the floor he ends the kata EXACTLY where it began!
weak? I'd really like to see you thorw a punch at him and see how that goes!
jaimesamuraie 2 years ago
wow i got red belt
MozzaGamer 2 years ago
what about 12 dan then "-__-
Jirotto 2 years ago
how is it possible that he's 10th dan?? i've always heard that you get it only after your death....
BERGIEL22 3 years ago
My Understanding is the same as yours. I thought the highest alive in shotokan at this time was 8th degree but I am not an expert.
xenophon456 3 years ago
1st Dan More than 1 year after
2nd Dan More than 2 years after 1st Dan 18
3rd Dan More than 3 years after 2nd Dan 21
4th Dan More than 4 years after 3rd Dan 25
5th Dan More than 5 years after 4th Dan 30
6th Dan More than 6 years after 5th Dan 35
7th Dan More than 7 years after 6th Dan 40
8th Dan More than 8 years after 7th Dan 50
9th Dan More than 9 years after 8th Dan 60
10th Dan More than 10 years after 9th Dan 70
xenophon456 3 years ago
dude.....how can you get something after your death -_-" think!
dumbang3l 3 years ago
I was training karate shotokan for two years and I was always said that you get 10th dan after your death. also you can get some extra belts for spreding karate worldwide
BERGIEL22 3 years ago
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ssj3brigeta 3 years ago
Not the stupidest thing, just how it works. Look it up online, you'll find a bit of stuff on the tradition.
shadowwolf12688 3 years ago
Its kinda like sainthood. That's how the system works.
shadowwolf12688 3 years ago
this is the 2nd kata in my club the 3rd is saifa and 4th is bassai daibut we do saifa and bassai twice. saifa is difficult as it is a very tidy kata
basschef 4 years ago
Thank god for this. I always get mixed up at the end of this kata. Now i'm not!
inuyasha11pm 4 years ago 7
Me too, thanks to orbelus for the upload.
AXIOMATIKA 3 years ago
funakoshi changed the name from pinan (okinawa) to heian (japan) and changed the order of the first two, so, heian shodan IS pinan nidan. you will have slight variations from style to style..i was also told nakayama sensei changed them from the way funakoshi did them..but i don't know for sure.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Honto.
Kelt4ever 4 years ago
For me, Heian Shodan is still the most difficult Heian kata. Your basics have to be real good like Kanazawa here, or else your kata will suck.
christianbrecht 4 years ago
scary... i wouldnt want to fight him
yurnero85 5 years ago
Intersting that the moves in Kanazawas Heian Shodan most closely resemble the Wado Ryu Pinan (Heian) Nidan.
Garywado 5 years ago