Just another fine example of wannabes....or should I say new wave wannabes.. so sad you are not Native American, Aboriginal or First Nation....too bad for you...try as you might you will never be...too bad you lost your own culture.
@DLSNiiganii Spirit has no culture or club it's free within our hearts, I have lived many lifetimes on this Earth in many different physical bodies it's part of our expansion, it's why we are here to learn. Do not feel sad for us we are living our joy!
This women is a complete fraud i live on the pine ridge reservation i am an oglala lakota. This women has noting to do with our tribe she is crazy thinking she is the white buffalo calf women yet she abuses our ceremonies doesn't speak lakota. This is straight hippie crap. dat the new agers eat up she is no better then james ray she is nuts. I have been to proper ceremonies and i sundance and i have been hunbleca and inipi my entire life. people like this should be jailed for abusing our culture
The idea that she's bastardizing our Traditional Teachings&Medicines And making a profit from it really burns people up.
Haudenoshone, Cree, Anishnaubek, (First Nations/Native American) historically share without question. We charge for for crafts and prepared food at pow wows but for Medicine or Spiritual advice? NEVER!
Trading or bartering for goods happens: I traded my Sweetgrass soap for deer hide I needed to make moccasins last week. but this chick is about outright fraud & deception
Listen my mom took me to the return of ancestors with her to meet Kiesha. Kiesha had all the women get into a circle and told us all we had pain we needed to get into touch with. She started to chant saying we were raped and that all women have been raped and molested. She said we needed to scream and be born again. All the women started screaming and shaking on the ground. My mom and I got up and left and she delete herself off Kiesha's facebook. Kiesha to me is mental and needs a doctor.
I would still like to speak to Arvol about this to seek his wisdom too. I am very disheartened that people who don't know me would assume I would meet with an elder to spread lies or push someone into thinking untruths. THAT IS NOT who I AM. I'm very happy to know that not all natives believe in being hurtful. I received answers in peace without being judged or called names. I think that some of the natives online need a big lesson from their elders on how you treat other people. Done and done.
He stated TWO TIMES to me that her affairs will be handled by Spirit and to fight her and create more problems will do no good. I believe I have my answers I need. I was not mistreated in any way. I take away from our talk the idea that what this elder said was to create peace and be in balance with our own selves before we go judging other people. It was a good meeting. After this meeting I can't refer to her as White Buffalo. Including the name LG. Sorry Kiesha but you need to speak to elders.
This is not about race. It's about lying . Try to focus. KC is not who she says she is and you can't build anything on a lie. There's been ample proof of her duplicity for anyone who isn't completely brain-washed.
@KanuMom It depends on who you talk to. I found that when I speak to a native offline I am treated with respect no judging and name calling. Online it's different. I have friends who are native that I've grown up with and went through school with and never once they mistreat me. They have told me that natives are just AS racist as any other race and culture. You have people who are racist and those who are not. I know what my eyes have seen with things people have written recently.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned I so wish you wouldn´t try to make this into a racething!! All of us know that there are arrogant, racist people in each culture as well as loving, compassionate people. We are all individuals! Why you go to such a length to point this out I don´t know. If a Catholic offends you, do you then place a call to the Vatican to ask the Pope what he thinks about it?? Or are you just targeting Native Americans?
@Lovingspirit2 She has to make it into a race thing to distract everyone from the real issue. Kiesha Crowther is a fraud who has wronged many Native American people and who has swindled money from may non-Native people. She is greedy and arrogant and she refuses to give the money back that she stold! She is the exact opposite of WBCW! Carmen is just another fraud trying to get in on Kiesha's scam.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You lie. You've found that you are confronted with YOUR OWN DISRESPECT whenever you speak with real Native people, whether online or offline. You and your husband have been told to stop exploiting Native ceremony. You are a very dishonest, deceitful manipulative person. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to manipulate an elderly man. The truth always comes out and you and your husband will be exposed again and again.
I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror......I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways......And No Message Could've Been Any Clearer...... If You Wanna Make the World A Better Place.........Take A Look At Yourself.......... And then Make That Change!
I think many, many of Kiesha´s followers are wellmeaning, beautiful souls - like the two girls in this video. They haven´t yet learned to distinguish between frauds and "the real deal". I heard a prophecy from a reputed Lakota, saying that the coming years will present more false prophets than ever. And that this is the time we MUST learn to see the difference and say NO to the false ones. It is a test for us in order to go forward in truth and harmony. The test is indeed very active :)
@MissSolidarity1 I am very grateful that the girls who own this channel have stopped deleting comments. They may be lost and rootless and following all the wrong paths, but at least they value free speech. That is more than I can say for Kiesha, Jennifer or Carmen. They make a mockery of feminist, spirituality, environmentalism and all things truly indigenous. I have never seen such DISRESPECT!
@loveandlightanddisco THANK you for this. I won't be responding to the negative comments because I refuse to fight and argue. I went to an intense meeting with an elder who is Kumeyaay to ask him his opinion of Kiesha. He said he did not approve of her or acknowledge that she is of a prophecy. Is pleased that she stopped wearing regalia but wants her to stop referring to herself as LG. He DOES NOT APPROVE of fighting her and says Great Spirit will SETTLE her affairs in due time. I agree and
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You won't be responding to the so-called negative comments because you know you don't have ANY EXCUSE for your lying and your manipulation. You have NO RESPECT for anything and you know nothing about anything spiritual. You are all about making money with Kiesha. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I wonder too. Direct questions are never directly answered. The discussion now seems to be about races, which is not the case. So many people, including myself, ask for clarity. So many contradictive messages. Today I read that she doesn't call herself a leader, and that the TOMC is not about leaders. But on another thread, (petition for stopping chemtrails, which I signed myself) she calls herself 'the leader of the TOMC' which says it all I guess. Pretty spooky, an so much ego!!
@TheWokenone Yes, I find it sad that WBR is trying to turn people against people, race against race. It is definitely not about race. I am a white European but definitely side with Ndn:s in this case. I find that many of Kiesha´s followers play the racecard - yet they talk about "we are all one". Maybe they cannot deal with the fact that just as many non-Natives are apalled by what she does.
you talk a lot WBR but you never answer the basic question as to why did Kiesha employ false indigenous credentials. If she is as wonderful as you claim why did she need to LIE? Why did she claim endorsement from Mayan authority Don Alejandro/Wandering Wolf when this was not true? Why has all reference to Don Alejandro now been removed from the Little Grandmother website?
It also seems within these groups of people who target LG also struggle to get along with one another and accept each other. The in fighting is sad. They can't even work together as a group because some can't get over the skin color. My indigenous friends offline do not treat me this way. I think they have overcome the generational teachings of hating people who aren't indian and that's good to see. I have said all that needs saying on the matter. I pray for those stuck in misery and pain.
After a brief look around on the web I see Twinkie has been harassing people for many years over their personal religious beliefs. I can't imagine being the target of someone who hates me for my skin color or for what I believe in. Native Americans were punished for the same thing and now it's Natives who are continuing the practice. Why. A person who spends years harassing others can't be a happy person inside. They must be sad and miserable. I believe I'm done commenting on all of this.
WBR - since you are claiming that LG has returned as the white buffalo, while you speak to Arvol, don´t forget to inform him. I think you might find that he is not aware of this. It is pretty tragic that their long awaited spirit woman is roaming around in Europe instead of helping her people. I guess you must find the Lakotas pretty ignorant since they haven´t yet figured out that she is back?
@Lovingspirit2 Can I ask a question here? Why the anger over me wanting to speak to Arvol? Is this a problem? If I do get the honor of speaking with him there will be no lies. I am interested in his opinion on LG I want to know if he approves of the way things have been handled. I want to know if he approves of the death threats made on her and other things I have saved that I want to show him. I want to know what he thinks of LG too. There need not be anger over my wanting to know his opinion.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned There is no anger over you wanting to "speak" to Arvol. There is well deserved suspicion that you only want to MANIPULATE an elder into thinking that you are something other than a deceptive, dishonest fraud and or fraud apologist. We all want Arvol to know the truth - Kiesha is running a cult to make money off of his most sacred beleifs. There were no death threats - that's just another lie to protect the cult of Kieaha.
@Lovingspirit2 I never thought of this before, but maybe the D/N/Lakota Nations might have some claim on all of Kiesha's money. If she is the WBCW returned, then all the people should get together and sue Kiesha for the money she made using symbolism from the religion. Maybe the Fort Laramie treaty could be invoked to take away all that money Kiesha made pretending to be WBCW. If all you need to love, then Kiesha certainly doesn't need all that money.
@firstnationsfirst I hope all the Lakota Nations and all the Salish Nations get together and sue Kiesha Crowther for every penny she has taken through her lies and deceit!
Other movies I enjoy with indigenous actors in them, thunder heart, smoke signals, pow wow highway, legends of the fall, imprint, there's more but is it OK to be non native and still like and enjoy these films? Or should I stick to ones with only Mexicans in them?
@TheWokenone I believe there are bigger problems outside of LG or who she is. Twinkie is an example of this. The generational hate. He/She can't even accept that a white person, or a Mexican may have donated to help out some families on a reservation. Twinkie can't handle that because then they would have look upon the heart of a person and not their skin color. What disturbs me the most is the judgement. What would twinkie do if a full blood native said they found their behavior repulsive?
@twinkiewrangler No they definitely donated when a call came out for space heaters and blankets. They didn't lie. Maybe you can check again since you know everyone on both reservations. I myself donated. Why in the hell would someone lie about something like that? Oh I donated last summer for the backpacks for the children. I see that not only do you hate white people you hate everyone that is not indigenous. You perpetrate the same crimes done to your own ancestors by hating.
@TheWokenone I pray for everyone on mother earth. It's a habit not a cult thing. Please don't mix it up for me either. Apparently it was twinkiewrangler that called me a white supremacist. They hate white people so it's a catch all insult to all white people. I know that hate serves no one. The people who hate live in misery. I would not wish that for no one.
By the by did you know that some people who are in tribe of many colors donated to the pine ridge and rosebud reservations so that some could have a warmer winter? Yes they did. I know of 3 women who did this after a video was posted about this. They are white women. Are they white supremacists too? Shame on you.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Claiming to donate money to the people you wronged? Can't you come up with a something more original than that? You demand proof, but you won't supply it to others. Prove that there was money donated and that Kiesha didn't exploit the poverty on Pine Ridge for financial gain the way she exploits her children to scam money out of people.
Everyone please remember this If you hate others for their skin color then you are perpetrating the same crimes that were done to your own ancestors.
@TheWokenone and hating on white people is so cliche now. I'm mexican and I trace all my ancestry back and none of my people hurt any Native Americans. You want someone to pay for what happened to your ancestors it's not me. I'm tired of the bigotry and hate. So tired of it aren't you? I refuse to live that way. I have indigenous friends here and they never accused me of being out of line with anything I believe in. They are good and kind so your internet anonymity is all you got.
@TheWokenone Did I ask to be called a white supremacist? I'd say that's beyond insulting to me as I am strongly against racism, which is pretty blatant with some people responding or sending messages to me. Have I said one hateful thing? Nope. I pray for everyone and everything and that's my religious freedom as it is yours. I'm not a tribe of many colors member. Not on their pages no more. I do my own thing and believe as I want to believe. Freedom is my thing so is loving one another.
I absolutely LOVE your macramed crystal necklace. Ive recently gotten all the supplies to macrame my own...havent done macrame since high school, so need to get some pattern ideas and get started!!
@TheWokenone I would love to hear Chief Arvol's thoughts on how this whole debacle has gone down. I can't believe for one minute he would support or encourage the type of harassment and stalking that has gone on. If he does, he would lost all my respect.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Arvol doesn´t have a clue who Little Grandmother is although she claims to be of his people. He does not recognize her, nor does he support her disrespect for Lakota culture and ceremonies. Wake up and realize that LG doesn´t have a drop of Native blood in her!! I totally agree that we have to pull together and heal the Earth - but you can NOT do it by disrespect, lies, exploitation and racism the way LG does.
@Lovingspirit2 Speaking of racism, the racist comments I read on the AIM pages and other sites are racist. Why is it OK for those things to stand? My question was, I wonder if Arvol supports the actions people are taking against LG, such as harassing her on the interwebs and taking it offline to stalk and harass her in person? Even after she gave up wearing regalia and holding ceremony. Something tells me Arvol would not support these things if he is a leader among people.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned There is nothing racist on the AIM pages. You are just trying to change the subject so that you dont' have to face your own ignorance and racism. If you want to know what Arvol Looking Horse supports, I DARE you to contact him and tell him what you've posted on your YouTube channel. Kie$ha must make amends for her sacrilege. Not wearing regalia & holding her fake-amony is just one of MANY demands. You can't stop anyone from protesting her and there will be more next time.
@twinkiewrangler I would never dare lie to Arvol Looking Horse. I would show him screen saved things that have been said and ask if he supported those things. That is all I wanted to know his opinion since he is Chief. I doubt Arvol hates on people as some do on the net behind anonymity. I also want to ask him what he feels should be done to handle the issues on LG. I would like to hear his opinion. Is it a problem to want to ask his opinion on all of these things? I don't think so.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned How could you NOT lie to Arvol you self-important ass? Every word that comes out of your mouth is a lie. You entire life is a lie. You can't live your life without lies.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You didn't read any racist comments on any authentic AIM pages. You probably got upset when all of your assumptions and feeling of entitlement was questioned. Exposing beliefs based in a colonial mentality as utter nonsense is not racism. It shows how immature your thinking is that you have this knee-jerk reaction to mindless lable any idea that challenges your juvenile fantasies as "racist."
@Lovingspirit2 I am thinking I will attempt to contact some elders to see if they will speak with me. I would like to know Arvol's opinion first hand and I would like to clue him in on to what has been happening. I seriously doubt he knows that people have been stalking and harassing LG in this way. I have contacted Salish and was told ' no comment on this' and they politely hung up. I would like to hear things from the source , so to speak.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You're not fooling anyone. You want to go to Arvol Looking Horse and twist the facts and lie and tell him how you've been wronged by the evil NDNZ who won't be stupid enough to swallow your bullshit. I say, get off of YouTube and go ahead and contact him. You won't because you're afraid he'll see you for the disgusting fraud you really are. Arvol's linked in - contact him yourself, you cowardly liar.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Again, you have been challenged to contact Arvol Looking Horse and to represent what Kiesha is doing honestly. I also , challenge you to contact him and tell him that you think the fraud Kiesha Kreps Crowther is WBCW. You could find contact info easily on the internet, yet you spend your time here inventing new excuses. I would love to see his reaction to Kiesha's scam and I suspect it's only a matter of time before he learns of it.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned I'll call your bluff dances with crazy fantasies. I DARE you to contact Arvol Looking Horse and let him know that Little Fraudmutter has the audacity to claim she is WBCW. In return ANONYMOUS will release her complete genealogy back to England prooving what a big fake she is in addition to some really NASTY dirt on her 'partner' Jennifer to be given to the Santa Fe police department.
@twinkiewrangler Do you go to every channel to call everyone a white supremacist? I'm not white I'm Mexican. Find it interesting how you assumed I was a white person. I'm not wanting to contact Arvol about LG I want to ask him his personal feelings on how it's been handled by those going after her and stalking her offline. Just want his take on it Instead of what people online say. If you have information on a crime then why sit here typing about it? Contact police and let them handle it.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned People assume you are a white supremacist because your thinking is white supremacist. I suppose you could also be a completely assimilated lap dog for Kiesha. I'm sure she's desperately searching for fools to act as tokens for her scams. Someone as ignorant as you could certainly be tricked into supporting a fraud like Kiesha. I still think you're Kiesha trying to salvage your sullied reputation.
@twinkiewrangler I'm not LG and I told you that I'm Mexican. I don't know what your problem is but I will pray for you. It's obvious that you need balance in your life. This is what hate begets and I do feel bad for you.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Exposing a fraud for the liar and manipulator she really is is not "stalking" or "harassment". Making the fraud the victim is the oldest trick in the book. If you read the Lakota Declaration of War against Exploiters of Native American Spirituality, you would have seen that Arvol gave AIM permission to expose frauds like Kie$sha - which is exactly what they did in Palm Springs and will do again and again and again anywhere she goes. You are a willfully ignorant person.
@twinkiewrangler You can expose a fraud a bit differently than stalking them offline and going where they live. I quote some things I have read from people who are after her "I want her dead" "i hope she dies" "i want to burn that house down in the desert" "crazy white b who needs to die" "i wanted to get violent" there is more that I screen saved. If I had time to involve myself more deeply I would post it up but for now I save them in case they are needed for future reference.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You are a liar. There was a peaceful, legal protest of Kiesha and her idiot lover tried to convince the police that they were violent. You are using the same smear tactics in order to distract people away from the real issue - KIESHA IS A BIG LIAR AND A BIG FRAUD. There were no death threats. You are just taking a page from Scientology's play book because Kiesha followers have become a cult.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned And I can't believe for one minute that he would support you claiming that the fraud Kiesha Crowther is White Buffalo Calf woman returned. This is the greatest sacrilege I have ever heard of! Wasn't the Sedona scam enough for you, Carmen?
All colors are accepted by White Buffalo Woman. She does not hate and she does not expect you to be of any certain race. She returns to teach you love. You do not have to be blood quantum indian to be loved and accepted by White Buffalo. She comes to tell the world of embracing all no matter who they are. Those who fight against this are racist and live in hate. We must reject hate so mother earth can heal. Our mother is crying can you hear her cries? She longs for her children to love again.
Little grandmother has been telling the truth. As a DNA native american I know of the elders who made her Little grandmother. She is the precious buffalo returned in a time of dire need. Little grandmother never lied. I want to see her take up her sacred medicine bundle again and go forward. Those who choose hate may fall away from the goodness and truth she tells. She returned as white buffalo for all colors to embrace her. Hate is not a way to live. Hate will not stand.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You claim to be a "DNA native american" one minute and you claim to be mexican the next. You can't even keep your lies straight. Even if you were indigenous to Mexico, and I don't believe you are, the spiritual practices there have nothing to do with Lakota beliefs. Just the fact that you're insipid enough to put pictures of Dances with Wolves on your channel shows everyone what a FAKE you are. You don't even know how to pretend to be Mexican -- start by capitalizing it da.
@twinkiewrangler I have indigenous ancestry that runs with Mexican blood but I do not claim to be a Native American because I don't need to. My great grandparents were not full blood so no one in my immediate family claims it. I say I have ancestors but I don't know them and feel no need to practice the ways I wasn't raised in. I steal nothing either. What is wrong with Dances with Wolves? It's a great film and the actors in it are great too. So because I'm not indigenous I can't like it? Huh?
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Oops! There is is. Only a white girl would think that Dance with Wolves is a great film, especially in 2011. You really are ignorant! A real NDN knows what's wrong with that film. Only a silly white girl who knows nothing about indigenous people would make such a stupid mistake. NDNS on the internet can tell a fake, poser wannabe by just looking at the crap they think is NDN.
@WhiteBuffaloReturned A "DNA native american"??? Wait a minute, I thought you were mexican? Does it mean something different if you spell it in lower case that I'm not aware of? If you are in fact "mexican" then why aren't you following any traditions indigenous to Mexico? Lying is not way to live. Your lies will never stand.
PLEASE, PLEASE to all you with love in your hearts. Watch this video of the people that Little Grandmother is "shaman" of. This is the reality of it. I have asked her to make a statement about this and if she is going to help them. Please give money to them.
youtube video: WispernThunder Erez Fund 2011 thanks so much!!!!!! pass it on! please get the word out before more people die!
@lunalas ORRY CORRECTION: IT IS: WhispernThunder Erez Fund 2011. by WhispernThunder. please spread far and wide and help keep these people alive this winter. thanks so much. peace.!
@lunalas Every winter and summer I donate to different reserves in need. It is our duty to remember to help our own brothers and sisters here too. Please send a donation to Japan too. There are people without homes and they are wintering there as well.
I don't want to blame Starsisters. They probably walked into the LG TOMC trap as well, with good intentions. I just pray they wake up from the spell, and get a healthy sense of discernment. Please Sistars...do some research...the internet is full of warnings against KC and her team, where there is smoke, there is fire..just be alarmed!
@TheWokenone I admire Starsisters for not censoring the comments here. Maybe they will wake up and see how destructive frauds like Kiesha are. Maybe they will abandon their girlish fantasies and actually DO something about pollution, environmental destruction, social injustice... Maybe one day they'll see that it's deceptive frauds like Kiesha who are getting in the way of "healing the planet" and trying to get people to "live in the heart" is just another form of mind control and slavery.
@firstnationsfirst Kiesha doesn't give a dam about the planet. She hooks people in with pretty words about love, but she has NO SUBSTANCE. If Kiesha is White Buffalo Calf woman, then why doesn't she do the ceremonies she gave to the Lakota with the correct protocol? If WBCW returned, don't you think she would know her own language. Kiesha speakds no Lakota and when she tries she gets it wrong. Why doesn't Kiesha know how to perform the ceremonies WBCW gave to us?
I'm sorry I made a mistake on the person who attacked me on the tribe's facebook group page. It was Cathrine Krogen who told me 'enough already with this negativity' in response to my question which was 'could we please keep the tomc open longer so that those who haven't seen the notice in time not find a closed up forum without any notice' Cathrine was the one who accused me of being negative for simply asking that we help the others. Can you believe that? I won't tell how much money I gave to
and because they are still afraid they will do anything to hear her messages, even pay! Very clever! No more free possibilities of having access to the info, so make them pay. Good move! Fortunately I see many people backing out and waking up.
I don't even believe it is her intention to harm, but I guess she's been exploited by a very intelligent team behind her. In fact it's so obvious. A lot of people are afraid of what's going to happen in 2012. KC knows what to do. Live from the heart and you won't be removed. Most people start seeing her as an anchor for safety, following her instructions blindly....but now after all the free inviting video's, and forum..people are being shut of from her information...
@TheWokenone She has created a fear among people about 2012. Don Alejandro's message counters her fear messages. I never saw this clearly until recent. What did this for me was the sudden and abrupt board closure. So many people connected there and made friends that are like family. Kiesha gave her moderators brief notice to shut down. Kiesha posted about the message board closing and it went down about 3 hours later. To me this is not how you treat a tribe of people who love and follow you.
@RainbowheartA I agree Rainbowheart. Actually, after so many people expressing their emotions about all this, I would have expected her to come out with an apology. Every once in a while she pops up on the TOMC FB official page, saying she 'loves us all very much'. That is so easy to say.
Same goes for the admins. One moment they send you big hugs, and 'Oh dear one, I love you so very very much, you're in my heart, blablabla..' Next moment you're banned for asking 1 critical question!
@TheWokenone She never apologized to those she hurt over the last board closure. I can't count how many times now Kiesha has up and closed down communication between people. You are correct in the fact that she only pops on the facebook group to tell them all she loves them but that is all. She doesn't speak to anyone on a level of real friendship or concern. How can I expect Kiesha to apologize to me if she won't apologize to the indians she has hurt? She has no heart and that is truth :(
@TheWokenone As I respond to messages and think of it again I can't help but cry. I'm generally an upbeat person who is happy. This is my last post to the channel as I need to move on. I need to say that no matter how many hearts and 'i love you's' are written on the tomc facebook group by Cathrine Krogen, Vicky Barton and Kiesha, no matter how hard they try to give you the 'love' message, they can turn on you at the drop of a hat and shut you out. In TOMC you have no freedom to speak. Peace.
Wake up girls!! I just did, woke up from the TOMC 'spell'. I was banned for asking critical, yet integer questions! The old forum closed. Now we know why! For so many people still want to hear from KC, they now can look at her monthly webcasts! 20 minutes for free, 1 hour for 7$ !! To 'cover the expenses of the broadcast. Well, I guess with thousands of blind followers listening, these expenses will be generously covered and there will be a nice leftover for KC herself!
@TheWokenone This was another thing that created problems for me about Kiesha. She shut down the board quickly after she got her webcast page up. She told everyone that it was going to be free until a few discovered that only 20 minutes of the webcast is free and the rest you must pay for. This is a slap in the face to those who have donated money to her. She used to have herself set up as a 'church' for awhile taking donations. I don't think it's fair to ask people to pay for webcasts.
To be clear I posted a comment and asked the moderators to keep the tribe forum open to give every one a notice so they wouldn't come there and find the forum closed. They gave the people who post there only a few hours notice and it went down. When I expressed being upset over it I was accused of not living in the heart and was accused of being a negative person. I was verbally attacked and when I told this moderator that I was a backer of Kiesha I was accused of lying. I've been upset over it.
second . friend Jennifer in Colorado at a meetup for women's shamanist studies. Kiesha spoke of her mission and I being ignorant as I was believed in her and loaned them money. Since Kiesha's career took off she has had nothing to do with me. I went to return of the ancestors a year ago and we touched based again. I have been a follower of hers and have tried to support her but when I was silenced on the face book group I felt I had made a mistake. Please contact me if you need info.
Angel fish asked me to come here and tell my story. This has been a difficult week for me. You can contact me on face book under Rainbow heart. I have broken ties with Kiesha Crowther because I was silenced on the tribe of many colors face book the other day. I asked a question about the forum closure and I expressed my concern for those who were left behind. I was accused of being negative and my question deleted. I have not donated but loaned Kiesha a large sum of money. I met Kiesha and her
Why is this comment censored? "When someone says "I am one of 12 wisdom keepers on the planet" it is a red flag to avoid. In spiritual matters you should beware of people who give themselves titles and names and make up stories .Kiesha said she was Native American and she is NOT, Kiesha said she was given the name Little Grandmother by Native Americans and she was NOT. Kiesha's "message" is a ONE STOP SHOPPING OF NEWAGE WHATEVER! SAVE YOURSELVES!"
yes, it was "heartwrenching" to watch little granny talk about the Gulf. Open your eyes. When she talked about that on her video I noticed how FAKE her tears were and all I could think is what a BAD actress she it. WAKEY, WAKEY, time to get up. shake off the brainwashing.
Why was this comment also cenored? "SEE YOUTUBE VIDEO; Appropriation of NDN Traditions, Rites, Regalia (A MESSAGE TO KIESHA CROWTHER FROM THE FIRST NATIONS) SEARCH THAT ON YOUTUBE ...ONE MORE TIME... Appropriation of NDN Traditions, Rites, Regalia "
Why was this comment censored? "Kiesha Crowther is a BIG FRAUD! The American Indian Movement protested her last workshop in Palm Springs - see wyomingoutdoorsman and dinehwarmother 's channel for the real TRUTH about Kiesha Kreps Crowther AKA Little Fraudmother"
Kiesha doesnt care about the people who follow her. Wake up. There was a prayer request thread on her forum where people requested healing for their families and animals. Without regard to their feelings she shut down that forum without notice in 2 hours time. She does not care about you. She cares about herself and the money she is making. I don't follow her anymore after seeing how she treats people who follow her and how others are treated on the facebook group.
@StarSistersShow The information you're giving here is important. I hope you will join one of the facebook groups or forums who discuss Kiesha's fraud and misrepresentation and see that she and Jennifer and anyone else involved are brought to justice. Thanks for posting this info, it's very helpful and I would like to hear more.
@Angelfish300 I have heard of people walking away from her now who donated money to Kiesha and her girlfriend Jennfier. I too have seen people getting their posts deleted on the facebook group. There is no free speech in the tribe of many colors. You can only talk about what Vicky Barton approves of. You cant speak about anything that does not fall in line with their thoughts. Who wants to be part of a group where you cant speak your mind? Not I. Please write me Angel.
@Angelfish300 --keep your identity secret. someone just told me that they think you are me, but obviously you are not. I speak in my videos and anyone can see me. I have a great video about little fraudmother and the tribe of many dollars. She is dangerous and I can see how many people she is hurting. I wrote and asked if she was helping "her" tribe from freezing to death this winter. she didn't respond. Jennifer said F__K the Native Americans! Nice....loving...
@Angelfish300 --I knew that is what would happen. I could see in some of her past vids, when people first started figuring out she is a fraud, that she was very, very nervous on camera. she is not strong enough to pull this off. immediately after that she looked like they drugged her big time cuz she was probably ready to flip out. Others commented also that she looked drugged. It is coming to a head. I feel sorry for her followers. what will they do when they find out?
Appropriating Native American religion is wrong. Native practices were illegal in the country until 1978. Natives have suffered to keep that hand hold on their culture. Don't act entitled to it! Keisha can go around talking about peace & love if she wants, but there is no reason for he to bastardized Native beliefs, wear regalia or even touch a pipe. She is NOT Native! Why would you follow someone whose whole persona is based on a lie?
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. Love to listen to Little Grandmother.
Was surprised at some of the comments here, but not also. There has always been protection over old traditions, however, what dwells with me is that love shared is always a beautiful thing. No matter our past, intentions make our path. Blessings and Light :)
Kiesha Crowther is a BIG FRAUD! The American Indian Movement protested her last workshop in Palm Springs - see wyomingoutdoorsman and dinehwarmother 's channel for the real TRUTH about Kiesha Kreps Crowther AKA Little Fraudmother
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i worry about little grandmother. there is a group planning to meet her at her next gathering and this indian group seems to be stirring up violence on her. they are angry with her and i have seen in my vision they want to physically hurt her. should police be notifified so our Little grandmother will be safe? i worry for her protection you see.
@fumanchu2012 FUMANCHU2012 is just Kiesha's manager LYING again about the outrage that Native feel over Kiesha Crowther. Little Grandmother is a FRAUD. AIM organized a peaceful protest to educate the public about Kiesha's many lies. All that stuff about the oil spill isn't true. She's trying to make you believe you can't do anything about the world's problems - except give her money for her fake ceremonies. Buyer BEWARE, be very AWARE
@michrezdude your eyes are open yet you do not see, your heart beats yet you do not feel, your mind fires yet you continue to spread thoughts of separation....
IT is sad that you have to pay a woman that claims to have been given a sacred gift of a tribe she has no connection to. You would be better off reading books of truth. Visiting Indian reservations. Stop paying this woman! She is a criminal!
@snowwolfwalker Actually I do visit Indian reservations. Little Grandmother is setting space for "The Tribe of Many Colors" you don't have to be native to be included, you just need to be and live in a loving way! There is nothing criminal about spreading love! Some might say spreading hate is criminal, but I will not judge you on your path, Light & Love to you!
@StarSistersShow It's a federal offense to form a fake tribe. Kiesha has no right to form her own tribe. A tribe is a group of people who are related by common genetics, language and culture that meets the standards for Federal recognition. If you want to form a group, DON'T call it a tribe - it's not legal or honest to lie that way.
When someone says "I am one of 12 wisdom keepers on the planet" it is a red flag to avoid. In spiritual matters you should beware of people who give themselves titles and names and make up stories .Kiesha said she was Native American and she is NOT, Kiesha said she was given the name Little Grandmother by Native Americans and she was NOT. Kiesha's "message" is a ONE STOP SHOPPING OF NEWAGE WHATEVER! SAVE YOURSELVES!
SEE YOUTUBE VIDEO; Appropriation of NDN Traditions, Rites, Regalia (A MESSAGE TO KIESHA CROWTHER FROM THE FIRST NATIONS) SEARCH THAT ON YOUTUBE ...ONE MORE TIME... Appropriation of NDN Traditions, Rites, Regalia
you should check out "george kavassilas" if you have not already, he talks about similar things to the little grandmother but goes into much greater detail. hes really up your street interms of accension and everything i certainly learned although from him. peace and love :)
@bh635 I've heard that george kavassilas is being manipulated by dark beings. I don't know if this is true or not but he's said himself that he had to change his message because he was manipulated and the current information he has now is right. That makes me wonder a little. Most of his info is spot on and does coincide with LG's message, but I always keep that in my mind when I hear him. He says it himself right on his website.
You guys realise there are now at least 100 viewers who now want to buy the house next door to Astarte`s back yard and get up really early in the morning ;) its so good to see such infectious smiles and enthusiasm you ladies have, when talking about your experiencies.Keep going cause ur doing an excellent thing,love and peace to you both
Several years ago I went to an older Asian acupuncturist here in San Luis Obispo who works out of her home, and she kept telling me "move head to heart". I went around asking people what it meant, but it has been a process. Now I am getting it.
I have been watching our tribal members in Egypt tonight on video. I have never seen such a mass prayer in my life. Happy, happy, joy, joy!
Great video you guys....I am hoping little grandmother comes to Seattle!;) The bottom of the feet correlates to chakra zero which I believe is the most important chakra to activate....I think it is awesome little grandmother talks about this!;) Love and light to both of you, keep shining your light siSTARS!;)
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SaskiaPraat 9 months ago
Just another fine example of wannabes....or should I say new wave wannabes.. so sad you are not Native American, Aboriginal or First Nation....too bad for you...try as you might you will never be...too bad you lost your own culture.
DLSNiiganii 9 months ago
@DLSNiiganii Spirit has no culture or club it's free within our hearts, I have lived many lifetimes on this Earth in many different physical bodies it's part of our expansion, it's why we are here to learn. Do not feel sad for us we are living our joy!
StarSistersShow 7 months ago
This women is a complete fraud i live on the pine ridge reservation i am an oglala lakota. This women has noting to do with our tribe she is crazy thinking she is the white buffalo calf women yet she abuses our ceremonies doesn't speak lakota. This is straight hippie crap. dat the new agers eat up she is no better then james ray she is nuts. I have been to proper ceremonies and i sundance and i have been hunbleca and inipi my entire life. people like this should be jailed for abusing our culture
ironshield34 10 months ago
@ironshield34 there was no abuse happening on this weekend only sharing love and joy, no judgments here!
StarSistersShow 7 months ago
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The idea that she's bastardizing our Traditional Teachings&Medicines And making a profit from it really burns people up.
Haudenoshone, Cree, Anishnaubek, (First Nations/Native American) historically share without question. We charge for for crafts and prepared food at pow wows but for Medicine or Spiritual advice? NEVER!
Trading or bartering for goods happens: I traded my Sweetgrass soap for deer hide I needed to make moccasins last week. but this chick is about outright fraud & deception
MsWaboose 10 months ago
the elders will take care of kiesha in the traditional way. shave her head and destroy her trinkets.
quicksilverwade 10 months ago
Listen my mom took me to the return of ancestors with her to meet Kiesha. Kiesha had all the women get into a circle and told us all we had pain we needed to get into touch with. She started to chant saying we were raped and that all women have been raped and molested. She said we needed to scream and be born again. All the women started screaming and shaking on the ground. My mom and I got up and left and she delete herself off Kiesha's facebook. Kiesha to me is mental and needs a doctor.
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@WhiteBuffaloReturned I appreciate your honesty in letting us know the results of your enquiry with an elder about LG. Respect to you.
steveh77 11 months ago
I would still like to speak to Arvol about this to seek his wisdom too. I am very disheartened that people who don't know me would assume I would meet with an elder to spread lies or push someone into thinking untruths. THAT IS NOT who I AM. I'm very happy to know that not all natives believe in being hurtful. I received answers in peace without being judged or called names. I think that some of the natives online need a big lesson from their elders on how you treat other people. Done and done.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned It sounds more like you tried to manipulate an old man. That reveals your true character, Carmen.
nmcrowhopper 11 months ago 2
He stated TWO TIMES to me that her affairs will be handled by Spirit and to fight her and create more problems will do no good. I believe I have my answers I need. I was not mistreated in any way. I take away from our talk the idea that what this elder said was to create peace and be in balance with our own selves before we go judging other people. It was a good meeting. After this meeting I can't refer to her as White Buffalo. Including the name LG. Sorry Kiesha but you need to speak to elders.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
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@WhiteBuffaloReturned Why should we believe you?
nmcrowhopper 11 months ago 2
@WhiteBuffaloReturned WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU. YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND ARE LIARS AND FRAUDS, CARMEN!
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
This is not about race. It's about lying . Try to focus. KC is not who she says she is and you can't build anything on a lie. There's been ample proof of her duplicity for anyone who isn't completely brain-washed.
KanuMom 11 months ago
@KanuMom It depends on who you talk to. I found that when I speak to a native offline I am treated with respect no judging and name calling. Online it's different. I have friends who are native that I've grown up with and went through school with and never once they mistreat me. They have told me that natives are just AS racist as any other race and culture. You have people who are racist and those who are not. I know what my eyes have seen with things people have written recently.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned I so wish you wouldn´t try to make this into a racething!! All of us know that there are arrogant, racist people in each culture as well as loving, compassionate people. We are all individuals! Why you go to such a length to point this out I don´t know. If a Catholic offends you, do you then place a call to the Vatican to ask the Pope what he thinks about it?? Or are you just targeting Native Americans?
Lovingspirit2 11 months ago
@Lovingspirit2 She has to make it into a race thing to distract everyone from the real issue. Kiesha Crowther is a fraud who has wronged many Native American people and who has swindled money from may non-Native people. She is greedy and arrogant and she refuses to give the money back that she stold! She is the exact opposite of WBCW! Carmen is just another fraud trying to get in on Kiesha's scam.
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You lie. You've found that you are confronted with YOUR OWN DISRESPECT whenever you speak with real Native people, whether online or offline. You and your husband have been told to stop exploiting Native ceremony. You are a very dishonest, deceitful manipulative person. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to manipulate an elderly man. The truth always comes out and you and your husband will be exposed again and again.
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror......I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways......And No Message Could've Been Any Clearer...... If You Wanna Make the World A Better Place.........Take A Look At Yourself.......... And then Make That Change!
SHAMONE HEE HEE
loveandlightanddisco 11 months ago
I think many, many of Kiesha´s followers are wellmeaning, beautiful souls - like the two girls in this video. They haven´t yet learned to distinguish between frauds and "the real deal". I heard a prophecy from a reputed Lakota, saying that the coming years will present more false prophets than ever. And that this is the time we MUST learn to see the difference and say NO to the false ones. It is a test for us in order to go forward in truth and harmony. The test is indeed very active :)
MissSolidarity1 11 months ago
@MissSolidarity1 I am very grateful that the girls who own this channel have stopped deleting comments. They may be lost and rootless and following all the wrong paths, but at least they value free speech. That is more than I can say for Kiesha, Jennifer or Carmen. They make a mockery of feminist, spirituality, environmentalism and all things truly indigenous. I have never seen such DISRESPECT!
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago 2
@loveandlightanddisco THANK you for this. I won't be responding to the negative comments because I refuse to fight and argue. I went to an intense meeting with an elder who is Kumeyaay to ask him his opinion of Kiesha. He said he did not approve of her or acknowledge that she is of a prophecy. Is pleased that she stopped wearing regalia but wants her to stop referring to herself as LG. He DOES NOT APPROVE of fighting her and says Great Spirit will SETTLE her affairs in due time. I agree and
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You won't be responding to the so-called negative comments because you know you don't have ANY EXCUSE for your lying and your manipulation. You have NO RESPECT for anything and you know nothing about anything spiritual. You are all about making money with Kiesha. You should be ashamed of yourself.
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago 3
I wonder too. Direct questions are never directly answered. The discussion now seems to be about races, which is not the case. So many people, including myself, ask for clarity. So many contradictive messages. Today I read that she doesn't call herself a leader, and that the TOMC is not about leaders. But on another thread, (petition for stopping chemtrails, which I signed myself) she calls herself 'the leader of the TOMC' which says it all I guess. Pretty spooky, an so much ego!!
TheWokenone 11 months ago 2
@TheWokenone Yes, I find it sad that WBR is trying to turn people against people, race against race. It is definitely not about race. I am a white European but definitely side with Ndn:s in this case. I find that many of Kiesha´s followers play the racecard - yet they talk about "we are all one". Maybe they cannot deal with the fact that just as many non-Natives are apalled by what she does.
Lovingspirit2 11 months ago 2
you talk a lot WBR but you never answer the basic question as to why did Kiesha employ false indigenous credentials. If she is as wonderful as you claim why did she need to LIE? Why did she claim endorsement from Mayan authority Don Alejandro/Wandering Wolf when this was not true? Why has all reference to Don Alejandro now been removed from the Little Grandmother website?
steveh77 11 months ago 2
It also seems within these groups of people who target LG also struggle to get along with one another and accept each other. The in fighting is sad. They can't even work together as a group because some can't get over the skin color. My indigenous friends offline do not treat me this way. I think they have overcome the generational teachings of hating people who aren't indian and that's good to see. I have said all that needs saying on the matter. I pray for those stuck in misery and pain.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
After a brief look around on the web I see Twinkie has been harassing people for many years over their personal religious beliefs. I can't imagine being the target of someone who hates me for my skin color or for what I believe in. Native Americans were punished for the same thing and now it's Natives who are continuing the practice. Why. A person who spends years harassing others can't be a happy person inside. They must be sad and miserable. I believe I'm done commenting on all of this.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
WBR - since you are claiming that LG has returned as the white buffalo, while you speak to Arvol, don´t forget to inform him. I think you might find that he is not aware of this. It is pretty tragic that their long awaited spirit woman is roaming around in Europe instead of helping her people. I guess you must find the Lakotas pretty ignorant since they haven´t yet figured out that she is back?
Lovingspirit2 11 months ago
@Lovingspirit2 Can I ask a question here? Why the anger over me wanting to speak to Arvol? Is this a problem? If I do get the honor of speaking with him there will be no lies. I am interested in his opinion on LG I want to know if he approves of the way things have been handled. I want to know if he approves of the death threats made on her and other things I have saved that I want to show him. I want to know what he thinks of LG too. There need not be anger over my wanting to know his opinion.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned There is no anger over you wanting to "speak" to Arvol. There is well deserved suspicion that you only want to MANIPULATE an elder into thinking that you are something other than a deceptive, dishonest fraud and or fraud apologist. We all want Arvol to know the truth - Kiesha is running a cult to make money off of his most sacred beleifs. There were no death threats - that's just another lie to protect the cult of Kieaha.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
@Lovingspirit2 I never thought of this before, but maybe the D/N/Lakota Nations might have some claim on all of Kiesha's money. If she is the WBCW returned, then all the people should get together and sue Kiesha for the money she made using symbolism from the religion. Maybe the Fort Laramie treaty could be invoked to take away all that money Kiesha made pretending to be WBCW. If all you need to love, then Kiesha certainly doesn't need all that money.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago 2
@firstnationsfirst I hope all the Lakota Nations and all the Salish Nations get together and sue Kiesha Crowther for every penny she has taken through her lies and deceit!
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago 4
Other movies I enjoy with indigenous actors in them, thunder heart, smoke signals, pow wow highway, legends of the fall, imprint, there's more but is it OK to be non native and still like and enjoy these films? Or should I stick to ones with only Mexicans in them?
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@TheWokenone I believe there are bigger problems outside of LG or who she is. Twinkie is an example of this. The generational hate. He/She can't even accept that a white person, or a Mexican may have donated to help out some families on a reservation. Twinkie can't handle that because then they would have look upon the heart of a person and not their skin color. What disturbs me the most is the judgement. What would twinkie do if a full blood native said they found their behavior repulsive?
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@twinkiewrangler No they definitely donated when a call came out for space heaters and blankets. They didn't lie. Maybe you can check again since you know everyone on both reservations. I myself donated. Why in the hell would someone lie about something like that? Oh I donated last summer for the backpacks for the children. I see that not only do you hate white people you hate everyone that is not indigenous. You perpetrate the same crimes done to your own ancestors by hating.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@TheWokenone I pray for everyone on mother earth. It's a habit not a cult thing. Please don't mix it up for me either. Apparently it was twinkiewrangler that called me a white supremacist. They hate white people so it's a catch all insult to all white people. I know that hate serves no one. The people who hate live in misery. I would not wish that for no one.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
By the by did you know that some people who are in tribe of many colors donated to the pine ridge and rosebud reservations so that some could have a warmer winter? Yes they did. I know of 3 women who did this after a video was posted about this. They are white women. Are they white supremacists too? Shame on you.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Claiming to donate money to the people you wronged? Can't you come up with a something more original than that? You demand proof, but you won't supply it to others. Prove that there was money donated and that Kiesha didn't exploit the poverty on Pine Ridge for financial gain the way she exploits her children to scam money out of people.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
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If you hate others for their skin color then you are perpetrating the same crimes that were done to your own ancestors.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
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Everyone please remember this If you hate others for their skin color then you are perpetrating the same crimes that were done to your own ancestors.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@TheWokenone and hating on white people is so cliche now. I'm mexican and I trace all my ancestry back and none of my people hurt any Native Americans. You want someone to pay for what happened to your ancestors it's not me. I'm tired of the bigotry and hate. So tired of it aren't you? I refuse to live that way. I have indigenous friends here and they never accused me of being out of line with anything I believe in. They are good and kind so your internet anonymity is all you got.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@TheWokenone Did I ask to be called a white supremacist? I'd say that's beyond insulting to me as I am strongly against racism, which is pretty blatant with some people responding or sending messages to me. Have I said one hateful thing? Nope. I pray for everyone and everything and that's my religious freedom as it is yours. I'm not a tribe of many colors member. Not on their pages no more. I do my own thing and believe as I want to believe. Freedom is my thing so is loving one another.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
I absolutely LOVE your macramed crystal necklace. Ive recently gotten all the supplies to macrame my own...havent done macrame since high school, so need to get some pattern ideas and get started!!
StarFlower99654 11 months ago
@TheWokenone I would love to hear Chief Arvol's thoughts on how this whole debacle has gone down. I can't believe for one minute he would support or encourage the type of harassment and stalking that has gone on. If he does, he would lost all my respect.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Arvol doesn´t have a clue who Little Grandmother is although she claims to be of his people. He does not recognize her, nor does he support her disrespect for Lakota culture and ceremonies. Wake up and realize that LG doesn´t have a drop of Native blood in her!! I totally agree that we have to pull together and heal the Earth - but you can NOT do it by disrespect, lies, exploitation and racism the way LG does.
Lovingspirit2 11 months ago 2
@Lovingspirit2 Speaking of racism, the racist comments I read on the AIM pages and other sites are racist. Why is it OK for those things to stand? My question was, I wonder if Arvol supports the actions people are taking against LG, such as harassing her on the interwebs and taking it offline to stalk and harass her in person? Even after she gave up wearing regalia and holding ceremony. Something tells me Arvol would not support these things if he is a leader among people.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned There is nothing racist on the AIM pages. You are just trying to change the subject so that you dont' have to face your own ignorance and racism. If you want to know what Arvol Looking Horse supports, I DARE you to contact him and tell him what you've posted on your YouTube channel. Kie$ha must make amends for her sacrilege. Not wearing regalia & holding her fake-amony is just one of MANY demands. You can't stop anyone from protesting her and there will be more next time.
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago 2
@twinkiewrangler I would never dare lie to Arvol Looking Horse. I would show him screen saved things that have been said and ask if he supported those things. That is all I wanted to know his opinion since he is Chief. I doubt Arvol hates on people as some do on the net behind anonymity. I also want to ask him what he feels should be done to handle the issues on LG. I would like to hear his opinion. Is it a problem to want to ask his opinion on all of these things? I don't think so.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned How could you NOT lie to Arvol you self-important ass? Every word that comes out of your mouth is a lie. You entire life is a lie. You can't live your life without lies.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You didn't read any racist comments on any authentic AIM pages. You probably got upset when all of your assumptions and feeling of entitlement was questioned. Exposing beliefs based in a colonial mentality as utter nonsense is not racism. It shows how immature your thinking is that you have this knee-jerk reaction to mindless lable any idea that challenges your juvenile fantasies as "racist."
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WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@Lovingspirit2 I am thinking I will attempt to contact some elders to see if they will speak with me. I would like to know Arvol's opinion first hand and I would like to clue him in on to what has been happening. I seriously doubt he knows that people have been stalking and harassing LG in this way. I have contacted Salish and was told ' no comment on this' and they politely hung up. I would like to hear things from the source , so to speak.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You're not fooling anyone. You want to go to Arvol Looking Horse and twist the facts and lie and tell him how you've been wronged by the evil NDNZ who won't be stupid enough to swallow your bullshit. I say, get off of YouTube and go ahead and contact him. You won't because you're afraid he'll see you for the disgusting fraud you really are. Arvol's linked in - contact him yourself, you cowardly liar.
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Again, you have been challenged to contact Arvol Looking Horse and to represent what Kiesha is doing honestly. I also , challenge you to contact him and tell him that you think the fraud Kiesha Kreps Crowther is WBCW. You could find contact info easily on the internet, yet you spend your time here inventing new excuses. I would love to see his reaction to Kiesha's scam and I suspect it's only a matter of time before he learns of it.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned I'll call your bluff dances with crazy fantasies. I DARE you to contact Arvol Looking Horse and let him know that Little Fraudmutter has the audacity to claim she is WBCW. In return ANONYMOUS will release her complete genealogy back to England prooving what a big fake she is in addition to some really NASTY dirt on her 'partner' Jennifer to be given to the Santa Fe police department.
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago
@twinkiewrangler Do you go to every channel to call everyone a white supremacist? I'm not white I'm Mexican. Find it interesting how you assumed I was a white person. I'm not wanting to contact Arvol about LG I want to ask him his personal feelings on how it's been handled by those going after her and stalking her offline. Just want his take on it Instead of what people online say. If you have information on a crime then why sit here typing about it? Contact police and let them handle it.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned People assume you are a white supremacist because your thinking is white supremacist. I suppose you could also be a completely assimilated lap dog for Kiesha. I'm sure she's desperately searching for fools to act as tokens for her scams. Someone as ignorant as you could certainly be tricked into supporting a fraud like Kiesha. I still think you're Kiesha trying to salvage your sullied reputation.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
@twinkiewrangler I'm not LG and I told you that I'm Mexican. I don't know what your problem is but I will pray for you. It's obvious that you need balance in your life. This is what hate begets and I do feel bad for you.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Exposing a fraud for the liar and manipulator she really is is not "stalking" or "harassment". Making the fraud the victim is the oldest trick in the book. If you read the Lakota Declaration of War against Exploiters of Native American Spirituality, you would have seen that Arvol gave AIM permission to expose frauds like Kie$sha - which is exactly what they did in Palm Springs and will do again and again and again anywhere she goes. You are a willfully ignorant person.
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago 2
@twinkiewrangler You can expose a fraud a bit differently than stalking them offline and going where they live. I quote some things I have read from people who are after her "I want her dead" "i hope she dies" "i want to burn that house down in the desert" "crazy white b who needs to die" "i wanted to get violent" there is more that I screen saved. If I had time to involve myself more deeply I would post it up but for now I save them in case they are needed for future reference.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You are a liar. There was a peaceful, legal protest of Kiesha and her idiot lover tried to convince the police that they were violent. You are using the same smear tactics in order to distract people away from the real issue - KIESHA IS A BIG LIAR AND A BIG FRAUD. There were no death threats. You are just taking a page from Scientology's play book because Kiesha followers have become a cult.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
Respond to this video...Like you EVER had any respect for anything in the first place!
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned And I can't believe for one minute that he would support you claiming that the fraud Kiesha Crowther is White Buffalo Calf woman returned. This is the greatest sacrilege I have ever heard of! Wasn't the Sedona scam enough for you, Carmen?
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago 4
All colors are accepted by White Buffalo Woman. She does not hate and she does not expect you to be of any certain race. She returns to teach you love. You do not have to be blood quantum indian to be loved and accepted by White Buffalo. She comes to tell the world of embracing all no matter who they are. Those who fight against this are racist and live in hate. We must reject hate so mother earth can heal. Our mother is crying can you hear her cries? She longs for her children to love again.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
Little grandmother has been telling the truth. As a DNA native american I know of the elders who made her Little grandmother. She is the precious buffalo returned in a time of dire need. Little grandmother never lied. I want to see her take up her sacred medicine bundle again and go forward. Those who choose hate may fall away from the goodness and truth she tells. She returned as white buffalo for all colors to embrace her. Hate is not a way to live. Hate will not stand.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned You claim to be a "DNA native american" one minute and you claim to be mexican the next. You can't even keep your lies straight. Even if you were indigenous to Mexico, and I don't believe you are, the spiritual practices there have nothing to do with Lakota beliefs. Just the fact that you're insipid enough to put pictures of Dances with Wolves on your channel shows everyone what a FAKE you are. You don't even know how to pretend to be Mexican -- start by capitalizing it da.
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago
@twinkiewrangler I have indigenous ancestry that runs with Mexican blood but I do not claim to be a Native American because I don't need to. My great grandparents were not full blood so no one in my immediate family claims it. I say I have ancestors but I don't know them and feel no need to practice the ways I wasn't raised in. I steal nothing either. What is wrong with Dances with Wolves? It's a great film and the actors in it are great too. So because I'm not indigenous I can't like it? Huh?
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned Oops! There is is. Only a white girl would think that Dance with Wolves is a great film, especially in 2011. You really are ignorant! A real NDN knows what's wrong with that film. Only a silly white girl who knows nothing about indigenous people would make such a stupid mistake. NDNS on the internet can tell a fake, poser wannabe by just looking at the crap they think is NDN.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned A "DNA native american"??? Wait a minute, I thought you were mexican? Does it mean something different if you spell it in lower case that I'm not aware of? If you are in fact "mexican" then why aren't you following any traditions indigenous to Mexico? Lying is not way to live. Your lies will never stand.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
PLEASE, PLEASE to all you with love in your hearts. Watch this video of the people that Little Grandmother is "shaman" of. This is the reality of it. I have asked her to make a statement about this and if she is going to help them. Please give money to them.
youtube video: WispernThunder Erez Fund 2011 thanks so much!!!!!! pass it on! please get the word out before more people die!
lunalas 11 months ago
@lunalas ORRY CORRECTION: IT IS: WhispernThunder Erez Fund 2011. by WhispernThunder. please spread far and wide and help keep these people alive this winter. thanks so much. peace.!
lunalas 11 months ago
@lunalas Every winter and summer I donate to different reserves in need. It is our duty to remember to help our own brothers and sisters here too. Please send a donation to Japan too. There are people without homes and they are wintering there as well.
WhiteBuffaloReturned 11 months ago
@WhiteBuffaloReturned --thanks, I will.
lunalas 11 months ago
I don't want to blame Starsisters. They probably walked into the LG TOMC trap as well, with good intentions. I just pray they wake up from the spell, and get a healthy sense of discernment. Please Sistars...do some research...the internet is full of warnings against KC and her team, where there is smoke, there is fire..just be alarmed!
TheWokenone 11 months ago
@TheWokenone I admire Starsisters for not censoring the comments here. Maybe they will wake up and see how destructive frauds like Kiesha are. Maybe they will abandon their girlish fantasies and actually DO something about pollution, environmental destruction, social injustice... Maybe one day they'll see that it's deceptive frauds like Kiesha who are getting in the way of "healing the planet" and trying to get people to "live in the heart" is just another form of mind control and slavery.
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
@firstnationsfirst Kiesha doesn't give a dam about the planet. She hooks people in with pretty words about love, but she has NO SUBSTANCE. If Kiesha is White Buffalo Calf woman, then why doesn't she do the ceremonies she gave to the Lakota with the correct protocol? If WBCW returned, don't you think she would know her own language. Kiesha speakds no Lakota and when she tries she gets it wrong. Why doesn't Kiesha know how to perform the ceremonies WBCW gave to us?
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago 7
I'm sorry I made a mistake on the person who attacked me on the tribe's facebook group page. It was Cathrine Krogen who told me 'enough already with this negativity' in response to my question which was 'could we please keep the tomc open longer so that those who haven't seen the notice in time not find a closed up forum without any notice' Cathrine was the one who accused me of being negative for simply asking that we help the others. Can you believe that? I won't tell how much money I gave to
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
and because they are still afraid they will do anything to hear her messages, even pay! Very clever! No more free possibilities of having access to the info, so make them pay. Good move! Fortunately I see many people backing out and waking up.
TheWokenone 11 months ago
I don't even believe it is her intention to harm, but I guess she's been exploited by a very intelligent team behind her. In fact it's so obvious. A lot of people are afraid of what's going to happen in 2012. KC knows what to do. Live from the heart and you won't be removed. Most people start seeing her as an anchor for safety, following her instructions blindly....but now after all the free inviting video's, and forum..people are being shut of from her information...
TheWokenone 11 months ago
@TheWokenone She has created a fear among people about 2012. Don Alejandro's message counters her fear messages. I never saw this clearly until recent. What did this for me was the sudden and abrupt board closure. So many people connected there and made friends that are like family. Kiesha gave her moderators brief notice to shut down. Kiesha posted about the message board closing and it went down about 3 hours later. To me this is not how you treat a tribe of people who love and follow you.
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
@RainbowheartA I agree Rainbowheart. Actually, after so many people expressing their emotions about all this, I would have expected her to come out with an apology. Every once in a while she pops up on the TOMC FB official page, saying she 'loves us all very much'. That is so easy to say.
Same goes for the admins. One moment they send you big hugs, and 'Oh dear one, I love you so very very much, you're in my heart, blablabla..' Next moment you're banned for asking 1 critical question!
TheWokenone 11 months ago
@TheWokenone She never apologized to those she hurt over the last board closure. I can't count how many times now Kiesha has up and closed down communication between people. You are correct in the fact that she only pops on the facebook group to tell them all she loves them but that is all. She doesn't speak to anyone on a level of real friendship or concern. How can I expect Kiesha to apologize to me if she won't apologize to the indians she has hurt? She has no heart and that is truth :(
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
@TheWokenone As I respond to messages and think of it again I can't help but cry. I'm generally an upbeat person who is happy. This is my last post to the channel as I need to move on. I need to say that no matter how many hearts and 'i love you's' are written on the tomc facebook group by Cathrine Krogen, Vicky Barton and Kiesha, no matter how hard they try to give you the 'love' message, they can turn on you at the drop of a hat and shut you out. In TOMC you have no freedom to speak. Peace.
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
Wake up girls!! I just did, woke up from the TOMC 'spell'. I was banned for asking critical, yet integer questions! The old forum closed. Now we know why! For so many people still want to hear from KC, they now can look at her monthly webcasts! 20 minutes for free, 1 hour for 7$ !! To 'cover the expenses of the broadcast. Well, I guess with thousands of blind followers listening, these expenses will be generously covered and there will be a nice leftover for KC herself!
TheWokenone 11 months ago
@TheWokenone This was another thing that created problems for me about Kiesha. She shut down the board quickly after she got her webcast page up. She told everyone that it was going to be free until a few discovered that only 20 minutes of the webcast is free and the rest you must pay for. This is a slap in the face to those who have donated money to her. She used to have herself set up as a 'church' for awhile taking donations. I don't think it's fair to ask people to pay for webcasts.
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
To be clear I posted a comment and asked the moderators to keep the tribe forum open to give every one a notice so they wouldn't come there and find the forum closed. They gave the people who post there only a few hours notice and it went down. When I expressed being upset over it I was accused of not living in the heart and was accused of being a negative person. I was verbally attacked and when I told this moderator that I was a backer of Kiesha I was accused of lying. I've been upset over it.
RainbowheartA 11 months ago 2
second . friend Jennifer in Colorado at a meetup for women's shamanist studies. Kiesha spoke of her mission and I being ignorant as I was believed in her and loaned them money. Since Kiesha's career took off she has had nothing to do with me. I went to return of the ancestors a year ago and we touched based again. I have been a follower of hers and have tried to support her but when I was silenced on the face book group I felt I had made a mistake. Please contact me if you need info.
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
@RainbowheartA How do we contact you?
firstnationsfirst 11 months ago
Angel fish asked me to come here and tell my story. This has been a difficult week for me. You can contact me on face book under Rainbow heart. I have broken ties with Kiesha Crowther because I was silenced on the tribe of many colors face book the other day. I asked a question about the forum closure and I expressed my concern for those who were left behind. I was accused of being negative and my question deleted. I have not donated but loaned Kiesha a large sum of money. I met Kiesha and her
RainbowheartA 11 months ago
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Angelfish300 11 months ago
Why is this comment censored? "When someone says "I am one of 12 wisdom keepers on the planet" it is a red flag to avoid. In spiritual matters you should beware of people who give themselves titles and names and make up stories .Kiesha said she was Native American and she is NOT, Kiesha said she was given the name Little Grandmother by Native Americans and she was NOT. Kiesha's "message" is a ONE STOP SHOPPING OF NEWAGE WHATEVER! SAVE YOURSELVES!"
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
yes, it was "heartwrenching" to watch little granny talk about the Gulf. Open your eyes. When she talked about that on her video I noticed how FAKE her tears were and all I could think is what a BAD actress she it. WAKEY, WAKEY, time to get up. shake off the brainwashing.
lunalas 11 months ago
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Why was this comment also cenored? "SEE YOUTUBE VIDEO; Appropriation of NDN Traditions, Rites, Regalia (A MESSAGE TO KIESHA CROWTHER FROM THE FIRST NATIONS) SEARCH THAT ON YOUTUBE ...ONE MORE TIME... Appropriation of NDN Traditions, Rites, Regalia "
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
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Why was this comment censored? "Kiesha Crowther is a BIG FRAUD! The American Indian Movement protested her last workshop in Palm Springs - see wyomingoutdoorsman and dinehwarmother 's channel for the real TRUTH about Kiesha Kreps Crowther AKA Little Fraudmother"
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
Kiesha doesnt care about the people who follow her. Wake up. There was a prayer request thread on her forum where people requested healing for their families and animals. Without regard to their feelings she shut down that forum without notice in 2 hours time. She does not care about you. She cares about herself and the money she is making. I don't follow her anymore after seeing how she treats people who follow her and how others are treated on the facebook group.
JaneEyre1920 11 months ago 2
What crap nothing more than some stupid religion no proof at all for this bullshit
cryssiss 11 months ago
@StarSistersShow The information you're giving here is important. I hope you will join one of the facebook groups or forums who discuss Kiesha's fraud and misrepresentation and see that she and Jennifer and anyone else involved are brought to justice. Thanks for posting this info, it's very helpful and I would like to hear more.
twinkiewrangler 11 months ago 2
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Angelfish300 11 months ago 3
@Angelfish300 I have heard of people walking away from her now who donated money to Kiesha and her girlfriend Jennfier. I too have seen people getting their posts deleted on the facebook group. There is no free speech in the tribe of many colors. You can only talk about what Vicky Barton approves of. You cant speak about anything that does not fall in line with their thoughts. Who wants to be part of a group where you cant speak your mind? Not I. Please write me Angel.
JaneEyre1920 11 months ago 2
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Angelfish300 11 months ago 4
@Angelfish300 --keep your identity secret. someone just told me that they think you are me, but obviously you are not. I speak in my videos and anyone can see me. I have a great video about little fraudmother and the tribe of many dollars. She is dangerous and I can see how many people she is hurting. I wrote and asked if she was helping "her" tribe from freezing to death this winter. she didn't respond. Jennifer said F__K the Native Americans! Nice....loving...
lunalas 11 months ago
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Angelfish300 11 months ago
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Angelfish300 11 months ago
@Angelfish300 --I knew that is what would happen. I could see in some of her past vids, when people first started figuring out she is a fraud, that she was very, very nervous on camera. she is not strong enough to pull this off. immediately after that she looked like they drugged her big time cuz she was probably ready to flip out. Others commented also that she looked drugged. It is coming to a head. I feel sorry for her followers. what will they do when they find out?
lunalas 11 months ago
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Angelfish300 11 months ago 3
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Angelfish300 11 months ago 4
Appropriating Native American religion is wrong. Native practices were illegal in the country until 1978. Natives have suffered to keep that hand hold on their culture. Don't act entitled to it! Keisha can go around talking about peace & love if she wants, but there is no reason for he to bastardized Native beliefs, wear regalia or even touch a pipe. She is NOT Native! Why would you follow someone whose whole persona is based on a lie?
Ghostcat76 11 months ago 5
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. Love to listen to Little Grandmother.
Was surprised at some of the comments here, but not also. There has always been protection over old traditions, however, what dwells with me is that love shared is always a beautiful thing. No matter our past, intentions make our path. Blessings and Light :)
ChrmdLabradorite 1 year ago
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Kiesha Crowther is a BIG FRAUD! The American Indian Movement protested her last workshop in Palm Springs - see wyomingoutdoorsman and dinehwarmother 's channel for the real TRUTH about Kiesha Kreps Crowther AKA Little Fraudmother
michrezdude 1 year ago 4
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i worry about little grandmother. there is a group planning to meet her at her next gathering and this indian group seems to be stirring up violence on her. they are angry with her and i have seen in my vision they want to physically hurt her. should police be notifified so our Little grandmother will be safe? i worry for her protection you see.
fumanchu2012 1 year ago
@fumanchu2012 FUMANCHU2012 is just Kiesha's manager LYING again about the outrage that Native feel over Kiesha Crowther. Little Grandmother is a FRAUD. AIM organized a peaceful protest to educate the public about Kiesha's many lies. All that stuff about the oil spill isn't true. She's trying to make you believe you can't do anything about the world's problems - except give her money for her fake ceremonies. Buyer BEWARE, be very AWARE
michrezdude 1 year ago 5
@michrezdude your eyes are open yet you do not see, your heart beats yet you do not feel, your mind fires yet you continue to spread thoughts of separation....
StarSistersShow 1 year ago
@fumanchu2012 Thank you we will make sure they know about this.
StarSistersShow 1 year ago
@StarSistersShow You don't have to make sure "they" know about this because you're already talking to "them."
burnssweetgrass 11 months ago
Thanks for the important information. God bless!
angelpbj 1 year ago
I was there. It was amazing. What a great weekend. Wish I could have met you guys. Will you be there in May?
StarkFelinity 1 year ago
boy what a pair of dimwits.....
chiledoug 1 year ago
@chiledoug thanks for the complement!
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StarSistersShow 1 year ago
IT is sad that you have to pay a woman that claims to have been given a sacred gift of a tribe she has no connection to. You would be better off reading books of truth. Visiting Indian reservations. Stop paying this woman! She is a criminal!
snowwolfwalker 1 year ago 16
@snowwolfwalker Actually I do visit Indian reservations. Little Grandmother is setting space for "The Tribe of Many Colors" you don't have to be native to be included, you just need to be and live in a loving way! There is nothing criminal about spreading love! Some might say spreading hate is criminal, but I will not judge you on your path, Light & Love to you!
StarSistersShow 1 year ago
@StarSistersShow It's a federal offense to form a fake tribe. Kiesha has no right to form her own tribe. A tribe is a group of people who are related by common genetics, language and culture that meets the standards for Federal recognition. If you want to form a group, DON'T call it a tribe - it's not legal or honest to lie that way.
michrezdude 1 year ago 2
@michrezdude honestly it's difficult to respond to an individual who is obviously uneducated.
StarSistersShow 1 year ago
@StarSistersShow It is how Keisha is doing it, that is wrong. Our Sacred ceremonies are just that..Sacred.
motherofthedrummer 11 months ago 3
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When someone says "I am one of 12 wisdom keepers on the planet" it is a red flag to avoid. In spiritual matters you should beware of people who give themselves titles and names and make up stories .Kiesha said she was Native American and she is NOT, Kiesha said she was given the name Little Grandmother by Native Americans and she was NOT. Kiesha's "message" is a ONE STOP SHOPPING OF NEWAGE WHATEVER! SAVE YOURSELVES!
dzulh7 1 year ago 6
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angellambbridetv 1 year ago 2
Hello Star Sisters
you should check out "george kavassilas" if you have not already, he talks about similar things to the little grandmother but goes into much greater detail. hes really up your street interms of accension and everything i certainly learned although from him. peace and love :)
bh635 1 year ago
@bh635 I've heard that george kavassilas is being manipulated by dark beings. I don't know if this is true or not but he's said himself that he had to change his message because he was manipulated and the current information he has now is right. That makes me wonder a little. Most of his info is spot on and does coincide with LG's message, but I always keep that in my mind when I hear him. He says it himself right on his website.
StarkFelinity 1 year ago
You guys realise there are now at least 100 viewers who now want to buy the house next door to Astarte`s back yard and get up really early in the morning ;) its so good to see such infectious smiles and enthusiasm you ladies have, when talking about your experiencies.Keep going cause ur doing an excellent thing,love and peace to you both
gil6628 1 year ago
@gil6628 hahahahaha thanks for the laugh! :) -Astarte
StarSistersShow 1 year ago
Several years ago I went to an older Asian acupuncturist here in San Luis Obispo who works out of her home, and she kept telling me "move head to heart". I went around asking people what it meant, but it has been a process. Now I am getting it.
I have been watching our tribal members in Egypt tonight on video. I have never seen such a mass prayer in my life. Happy, happy, joy, joy!
peggygenoway 1 year ago
Great video you guys....I am hoping little grandmother comes to Seattle!;) The bottom of the feet correlates to chakra zero which I believe is the most important chakra to activate....I think it is awesome little grandmother talks about this!;) Love and light to both of you, keep shining your light siSTARS!;)
LiquidButterflye 1 year ago
Yippy! Hi, welcome back. : )
myroadhome 1 year ago