When the Enterprise CVN-65 is retired she will be the last carrier to have this name for a while. There is talk of giving a cruiser the name of USS Enterprise.
"every country acts according to its self interests and morals hold no place in politics, especially not in international relations...", right on, always pleasing to know there's someone who thinks exactly like yourself.
The bottom line is that America envies the French heritage and how the French are perceived. The world hates you guys, you have nothing to offer except for raw domination, even for your so called allies.
America would like to have been the one who invented human rights. But it didn't. It invented Guantanamo. Again, be proud.
One thing though: whereas the French cut of the heads of over 40,000 people and put them on spikes, the Americans were very much more civilized in their Revolution. Had they demanded an end of slavery in 1776, they'd probably gone to war against eachother, put heads on spikes, some would return to the British empire, and the United States would never have been formed. It was simply impractical to stress the slavery issue at that point.
@Faxe90Swe To be honest, I owe you one too. I was stupid. While I blamed you for using stupid stereoptypes against the French, I went and did the same with the USA. I guess my point should have been, stop with national stereotypes, in the end the French or the USA are no better than any other nation: every country acts according to its self interests and morals hold no place in politics, especially not in international relations...
@Faxe90Swe First of all don't say "you" say "france"
Second, yup, like you said, it was a lot more practical for france to abolish slavery. It did so much earlier than the USA. And while france is not as rich as the USA, at least france as a nation can tell itself that it wasn't built on slavery and massacres to such a degree as the USA or the UK was.
Now, having said that, I'm not especially patriotic, i don't have a drop of french blood in my veins. Just being objective.
I can only agree with you, on the point of slavery. But still, I'm pretty sure French colonialism has killed off more people than American imperialism has, maybe even more than the British. The French were a bit more ruthless in their empire building.
No matter how good your troops are at winning hearts and minds today, they weren't very good at it in Cameroun, Algeria, Indo-China, the Ivory Coast. My country is also pretty good at UN missions, but we haven't ever committed massacres while wearing the blue beret.
This is turning into mere pieing, which I think is bad since we ended on such good footing a month ago. You were eager for a keyboard battle all the sudden?
@Faxe90Swe Are we talking about slavery or civil war and the murders that took place during that time?
I'll just ask you two questions. How many native Indians were there before the first settlers arrived, and how many were left 200 years later?
Also, how many wars has the USA fought or financed since its creation?
And just a statement to make you think: the French armed forces are amongs the best if not the best at peacekeeping operations... They know how to befriend the locals...
Well, you said massacres, so that kind of expanded the issue from just being about slavery.
Europeans arrived in America in 1492. 200 years later, 1692, the US didn't exist and the English colonies were located to obscure northern coastlines with small indian populations. So don't try and pin the Anglo-Americans for that accidental genocide, that blame falls on the Spanish and Portuguese.
Also, the South's economy was dependent on slave labor, and had France been equally dependent on it, they wouldn't have abolished slavery either. But the thing is that the French had few plantations that needed tough slave labor, and those that were was captured by the British early in the war. You also had a couple of slave rebellions which drained the European theater of military manpower, so for you it was very practical to abolish slavery. And Napoleon reinstituted it.
Faxe90Swe- Bodette,says that the tenacious fight put up by the crew of the Big E(at the battle of Santa Cruz i think) "really goes 2 show how high class its training, discipline and overall American Spirit" was
If u don't comprehend what Bodette meant by his statement about American Spirit
Then its obvious u can't relate because u just don't have the mindset of being able to put your selfishness aside to do whatever it would take to get the job done & save the ship regardless of personal safety
Well, you obviously have a reading disorder, since you didn't get one thing of what I wrote and meant by it. Even a pacifist will be filled with "American Spirit" if the alternative is to go down in a burning wreck and drown or be roasted alive.The saving of the ship is very intimately connected to your personal welfare, and very clearly so.
I take it for granted that you of course can totally relate to self-sacrifice. You're not the least narcissistic either, I presume.
And again, if there is some mystic, higher mind-set that makes Americans especially brave or tenacious, where was it at Kasserine, Long Island, Kip's Bay, Normandy, etc.
Inherent national qualities are a myth, and only held to be true by hardcore patriots and nazists. Training and discipline is everything, no matter if you're American, French, German etc. If anything, American society makes bad warriors, just as any other democracy does. Hence the aggressive drill sergeants.
Actually, it is. Because the American Spirit is not a martial virtue, it´s something of a higher order. These fundamental notions about morals, democracy, compassion etc., the things that made men run when faced with the horrors of war. The American Spirit does not include fighting wars or celebrating a standing army.
So, the American Spirirt is a real thing, but it´s being perverted, misplaced and forgotten by Bodette-guys.
Secondly, about the American Spirit - what is that? The spirit which made American militia and regulars run like hell every time they faced British bayonets during the Revolution? The only circumstances in which Americans have committed themselves to serious battle with the British was when they had field fortifications.
Was it the spirirt which made Americans run like hell at Kasserine Pass? Made Americans run like hell from the Chinese in the Korean war?
Well, firstly, guys on a ship, surrounded by an ocean, the ship being their world, their only habitable living space, don`t really have any choice but to stand and fight - no matter their nationality. I can agree on good training and discipline, but American Spirit didn`t have much to do with it. To speak so that a Bodette-kind-of-guy can understand my point: even the French have fought long tenacious struggles on the high seas.
Sure, the French used slaves too. But the difference is that France was ruled by a few. When the people took power through the revolution, slavery was abolished immediately. Declaration of human rights, etc. In America, it's a different story, the American people can't really say the same, there was no king for a start.
Go have a macdonalds. And a get a new, bigger truck on ur way back so u can help destroy the world a little further.
@truthifizer Dude, I'm Swedish. How the hell can you think I'm American, given what I wrote? As I said, I took the French as an example so that Bodette guys would understand my point, because they themselves often think very lowly of the French, not because the French are actually poor fighters, but because Americans want to compensate for the great dependency they once had on the French, during the Ame. Revolution. I personally have great respect for the French military (pre-ww2, at least).
@Faxe90Swe@Faxe90SweWhat do you mean, even the French??? Why do you americans think you are so much better than the rest of the world, seriously? What are the facts behind such thinking? Please, educate me. Because you see, the entire world sees the USA for what it is. A land of shallow freedom conquered through genocide and slavery. Be proud.
Now I´m gonna do some trolling - that is, I´ve looked for any "Battle 360" video so that i can air my reflections on one particular episode, probably not this one.
In this one particular episode this jarhead, Bodette, saya that the tenacious fight put up by the crew of the Big E (at the battle of Santa Cruz i think) "really goes to show" how high class its training, discipline and overall "American Spirit" was.
it is time to give the Japanese Empire a Pearl Harbor of their own. When this battle is over Big E will have a big black N on her bridge and be known as CVN #6. watch out Japanese Empire. Truk is going to die.
This show uses so many scenes from Dogfights, including in this episode a dive bomber attacking the battleship Yamato in the Philippines for some reason.
I do appreciate that bigboy took the time to upload this series, however, I do not like what the History channel did with this "360". The factual aspects are good, but the effects seem, well, budgeted.
to bad enterprise is gone. they should have made a super carrier after it, but nooo, all they do is make a rent-a-car company(nice company BTW) named after it
LOL. Of course they named the latest carrier after Pres. Ford, not the car company.
But I agree with your point. The Navy should be celebrating its history and successes, not naming carriers after living or very recently deceased politicians (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Stennis, Carl Vinson, Reagan). Since CVN 65 will soon be out of commission, the next supercarrier should have been given that name.
It might be politically savvy, but it bespeaks corruption on the part of the Navy and the federal government. Aircraft carriers aren't supposed to be vanity vehicles for politicians and they aren't bargaining chips in an appropriations swap. Why is it that in the 1940s through the 70s, the Navy could give its carriers names like Ranger, Enterprise, Bon Homme Richard, Lexington and Kitty Hawk and still get appropriations, but now it feels it necessary to bribe elected officials?
@sonoki82 as they said everything is played by politics we can say a dirty one and a clean one, we can say also the arm forces request any kind of weapon they need or suggest any kind of weapon they need then it is the move of the politician if they will appropriate a budget to that need or request,
Most torpedo bombers in WWII could be outfitted with bombs when there weren't ships around to attack. In fact, the USN had such a bad experience with aerial torpedo attacks that they had Avengers carry bombs to use against enemy carriers at Phillipine Sea.
Expert on wars? I wouldn't say that anybody on this planet can be an "expert" on anything but I do know a lot of history. I've done many research projects regarding these WW2 battles during my freshman year and have pursued history all throughout my life.
@primal114 If i am you better watch an authenticated documentary , why you watch on some youtube program, you knew or you dont know know that many are not 100 % correct in youtube
Hey, you need to learn the difference between an appropriate comment and an inappropriate comment. The Japanese are respectable people, and it doesn't matter what they did, you don't insult people like that, especially over the internet. Hundreds of people see this video every day and I'm sure out of those hundred people is a living, breathing Japanese who is probably offended by your comment. Next time you post stuff like this , your blocked. Consider this your warning.
Oooh... You probably want to reconsider that decision! When dive bombers begin their dive, they face multiple G's for 14-23 seconds. It's tough and painful!
It is only crazy if you don't consider that it's the only way that works to be precise enough to hit a ship with the accuracy needed to take it out of action.
Hellcat production and Vought Corsair production didnt get in full swing untill 1943, and Avengers in 1943 as well
EagleofChaos12 2 months ago
Dive-Bombers and Torpedo Bombers could function as both land-and-carrier based planes.
EagleofChaos12 2 months ago
When the Enterprise CVN-65 is retired she will be the last carrier to have this name for a while. There is talk of giving a cruiser the name of USS Enterprise.
edtrine 3 months ago
"every country acts according to its self interests and morals hold no place in politics, especially not in international relations...", right on, always pleasing to know there's someone who thinks exactly like yourself.
Cheers
Faxe90Swe 3 months ago
The bottom line is that America envies the French heritage and how the French are perceived. The world hates you guys, you have nothing to offer except for raw domination, even for your so called allies.
America would like to have been the one who invented human rights. But it didn't. It invented Guantanamo. Again, be proud.
truthifizer 3 months ago
@truthifizer
But I guess I owe an apology anyhow.
One thing though: whereas the French cut of the heads of over 40,000 people and put them on spikes, the Americans were very much more civilized in their Revolution. Had they demanded an end of slavery in 1776, they'd probably gone to war against eachother, put heads on spikes, some would return to the British empire, and the United States would never have been formed. It was simply impractical to stress the slavery issue at that point.
Faxe90Swe 3 months ago
@Faxe90Swe To be honest, I owe you one too. I was stupid. While I blamed you for using stupid stereoptypes against the French, I went and did the same with the USA. I guess my point should have been, stop with national stereotypes, in the end the French or the USA are no better than any other nation: every country acts according to its self interests and morals hold no place in politics, especially not in international relations...
Peace and love!
Take care my fellow human being :)
truthifizer 3 months ago
@Faxe90Swe First of all don't say "you" say "france"
Second, yup, like you said, it was a lot more practical for france to abolish slavery. It did so much earlier than the USA. And while france is not as rich as the USA, at least france as a nation can tell itself that it wasn't built on slavery and massacres to such a degree as the USA or the UK was.
Now, having said that, I'm not especially patriotic, i don't have a drop of french blood in my veins. Just being objective.
truthifizer 2 months ago
@truthifizer
Lol, we had this dicsussion a month ago.
I can only agree with you, on the point of slavery. But still, I'm pretty sure French colonialism has killed off more people than American imperialism has, maybe even more than the British. The French were a bit more ruthless in their empire building.
Faxe90Swe 2 months ago
@truthifizer
No matter how good your troops are at winning hearts and minds today, they weren't very good at it in Cameroun, Algeria, Indo-China, the Ivory Coast. My country is also pretty good at UN missions, but we haven't ever committed massacres while wearing the blue beret.
This is turning into mere pieing, which I think is bad since we ended on such good footing a month ago. You were eager for a keyboard battle all the sudden?
Faxe90Swe 2 months ago
@Faxe90Swe Are we talking about slavery or civil war and the murders that took place during that time?
I'll just ask you two questions. How many native Indians were there before the first settlers arrived, and how many were left 200 years later?
Also, how many wars has the USA fought or financed since its creation?
And just a statement to make you think: the French armed forces are amongs the best if not the best at peacekeeping operations... They know how to befriend the locals...
truthifizer 2 months ago
@truthifizer
Well, you said massacres, so that kind of expanded the issue from just being about slavery.
Europeans arrived in America in 1492. 200 years later, 1692, the US didn't exist and the English colonies were located to obscure northern coastlines with small indian populations. So don't try and pin the Anglo-Americans for that accidental genocide, that blame falls on the Spanish and Portuguese.
Faxe90Swe 2 months ago
@truthifizer
Also, the South's economy was dependent on slave labor, and had France been equally dependent on it, they wouldn't have abolished slavery either. But the thing is that the French had few plantations that needed tough slave labor, and those that were was captured by the British early in the war. You also had a couple of slave rebellions which drained the European theater of military manpower, so for you it was very practical to abolish slavery. And Napoleon reinstituted it.
Faxe90Swe 3 months ago
Faxe90Swe- Bodette,says that the tenacious fight put up by the crew of the Big E(at the battle of Santa Cruz i think) "really goes 2 show how high class its training, discipline and overall American Spirit" was
If u don't comprehend what Bodette meant by his statement about American Spirit
Then its obvious u can't relate because u just don't have the mindset of being able to put your selfishness aside to do whatever it would take to get the job done & save the ship regardless of personal safety
Justmyside 9 months ago
@Justmyside
Well, you obviously have a reading disorder, since you didn't get one thing of what I wrote and meant by it. Even a pacifist will be filled with "American Spirit" if the alternative is to go down in a burning wreck and drown or be roasted alive.The saving of the ship is very intimately connected to your personal welfare, and very clearly so.
I take it for granted that you of course can totally relate to self-sacrifice. You're not the least narcissistic either, I presume.
Faxe90Swe 3 months ago
@Justmyside
And again, if there is some mystic, higher mind-set that makes Americans especially brave or tenacious, where was it at Kasserine, Long Island, Kip's Bay, Normandy, etc.
Inherent national qualities are a myth, and only held to be true by hardcore patriots and nazists. Training and discipline is everything, no matter if you're American, French, German etc. If anything, American society makes bad warriors, just as any other democracy does. Hence the aggressive drill sergeants.
Faxe90Swe 3 months ago
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Actually, it is. Because the American Spirit is not a martial virtue, it´s something of a higher order. These fundamental notions about morals, democracy, compassion etc., the things that made men run when faced with the horrors of war. The American Spirit does not include fighting wars or celebrating a standing army.
So, the American Spirirt is a real thing, but it´s being perverted, misplaced and forgotten by Bodette-guys.
Faxe90Swe 1 year ago
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Secondly, about the American Spirit - what is that? The spirit which made American militia and regulars run like hell every time they faced British bayonets during the Revolution? The only circumstances in which Americans have committed themselves to serious battle with the British was when they had field fortifications.
Was it the spirirt which made Americans run like hell at Kasserine Pass? Made Americans run like hell from the Chinese in the Korean war?
Faxe90Swe 1 year ago
Well, firstly, guys on a ship, surrounded by an ocean, the ship being their world, their only habitable living space, don`t really have any choice but to stand and fight - no matter their nationality. I can agree on good training and discipline, but American Spirit didn`t have much to do with it. To speak so that a Bodette-kind-of-guy can understand my point: even the French have fought long tenacious struggles on the high seas.
Faxe90Swe 1 year ago
@Faxe90Swe
Sure, the French used slaves too. But the difference is that France was ruled by a few. When the people took power through the revolution, slavery was abolished immediately. Declaration of human rights, etc. In America, it's a different story, the American people can't really say the same, there was no king for a start.
Go have a macdonalds. And a get a new, bigger truck on ur way back so u can help destroy the world a little further.
I don't hate Americans as whole, I hate u.
truthifizer 3 months ago
@truthifizer Dude, I'm Swedish. How the hell can you think I'm American, given what I wrote? As I said, I took the French as an example so that Bodette guys would understand my point, because they themselves often think very lowly of the French, not because the French are actually poor fighters, but because Americans want to compensate for the great dependency they once had on the French, during the Ame. Revolution. I personally have great respect for the French military (pre-ww2, at least).
Faxe90Swe 3 months ago
@Faxe90Swe @Faxe90SweWhat do you mean, even the French??? Why do you americans think you are so much better than the rest of the world, seriously? What are the facts behind such thinking? Please, educate me. Because you see, the entire world sees the USA for what it is. A land of shallow freedom conquered through genocide and slavery. Be proud.
truthifizer 3 months ago
Now I´m gonna do some trolling - that is, I´ve looked for any "Battle 360" video so that i can air my reflections on one particular episode, probably not this one.
In this one particular episode this jarhead, Bodette, saya that the tenacious fight put up by the crew of the Big E (at the battle of Santa Cruz i think) "really goes to show" how high class its training, discipline and overall "American Spirit" was.
Faxe90Swe 1 year ago
it is time to give the Japanese Empire a Pearl Harbor of their own. When this battle is over Big E will have a big black N on her bridge and be known as CVN #6. watch out Japanese Empire. Truk is going to die.
geomodelrailroader 1 year ago
This show uses so many scenes from Dogfights, including in this episode a dive bomber attacking the battleship Yamato in the Philippines for some reason.
???
SorenityVids 1 year ago
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check out my channel :P
m16team47 1 year ago
I do appreciate that bigboy took the time to upload this series, however, I do not like what the History channel did with this "360". The factual aspects are good, but the effects seem, well, budgeted.
whiff1962 1 year ago
@whiff1962 what do you expect for free viewing a well budgeted free show ? hey rock your brain a little bit
ceboym 1 year ago
8:43 what a move by the jap
kirby123ish 1 year ago
hey do you think you can upload patton 360
slingshotace 1 year ago
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geomodelrailroader 1 year ago
i use battle 360 give me ideas for a game called Navy field
deinotumiwa 1 year ago
theres a ship in new york tht says ENTERPRISE on the side could it really be the "grey ghost" that me and my gramma saw?!
MrJp990 1 year ago
"""Opp's............*is.......The first"""
BAPTIE6 2 years ago
to bad enterprise is gone. they should have made a super carrier after it, but nooo, all they do is make a rent-a-car company(nice company BTW) named after it
MajSingletary 2 years ago
you idiot, they did name a nuclear supercarrier after it- CVN-65.
TheRingil 2 years ago 15
LOL. Of course they named the latest carrier after Pres. Ford, not the car company.
But I agree with your point. The Navy should be celebrating its history and successes, not naming carriers after living or very recently deceased politicians (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Stennis, Carl Vinson, Reagan). Since CVN 65 will soon be out of commission, the next supercarrier should have been given that name.
sonoki82 2 years ago 2
The Navy is smarter than you. Politicians are the ones who approve--or disapprove--naval appropriations. Good to keep them happy.
Sierra688 1 year ago
It might be politically savvy, but it bespeaks corruption on the part of the Navy and the federal government. Aircraft carriers aren't supposed to be vanity vehicles for politicians and they aren't bargaining chips in an appropriations swap. Why is it that in the 1940s through the 70s, the Navy could give its carriers names like Ranger, Enterprise, Bon Homme Richard, Lexington and Kitty Hawk and still get appropriations, but now it feels it necessary to bribe elected officials?
sonoki82 1 year ago
@sonoki82 as they said everything is played by politics we can say a dirty one and a clean one, we can say also the arm forces request any kind of weapon they need or suggest any kind of weapon they need then it is the move of the politician if they will appropriate a budget to that need or request,
ceboym 1 year ago
w8, what are they using torpedo bombers foron land, unless they double as a normal, undersized bomber
primal114 2 years ago
They do, TBF Avengers double as a land bomber and a torpedo bomber.
BigBoyFatso 2 years ago 2
Most torpedo bombers in WWII could be outfitted with bombs when there weren't ships around to attack. In fact, the USN had such a bad experience with aerial torpedo attacks that they had Avengers carry bombs to use against enemy carriers at Phillipine Sea.
dokaw 2 years ago
hey, bigboyfatso, are you some sort of expert on wars, or do you just get the facts about the suybject of your vids
?
primal114 2 years ago
Expert on wars? I wouldn't say that anybody on this planet can be an "expert" on anything but I do know a lot of history. I've done many research projects regarding these WW2 battles during my freshman year and have pursued history all throughout my life.
BigBoyFatso 2 years ago 7
i got the same intrest cant help it but military history is prolly the only thing i ever really cared bout & the only lesson i never forgot
Caboose3012 2 years ago 2
unless you have been to a war you are never an expert
thefirecommander 2 years ago
@BigBoyFatso dude your like a mirror of me i love the past and I'm actively pursuing that as my career
GTVunit 11 months ago
@GTVunit Great! Are you in college?
BigBoyFatso 11 months ago
@BigBoyFatso no high school senior
GTVunit 11 months ago
@primal114 If i am you better watch an authenticated documentary , why you watch on some youtube program, you knew or you dont know know that many are not 100 % correct in youtube
ceboym 1 year ago
i so want to fly b-29 the most high tech plane in world war 2
donovanfoong 2 years ago 2
good show
winterdogs 2 years ago 12
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Fuck those japanese rice eating fuckers!!!! We won that war. RED WHITE & BLUE BABY!!!!!
wolfhowl5 2 years ago
Hey, you need to learn the difference between an appropriate comment and an inappropriate comment. The Japanese are respectable people, and it doesn't matter what they did, you don't insult people like that, especially over the internet. Hundreds of people see this video every day and I'm sure out of those hundred people is a living, breathing Japanese who is probably offended by your comment. Next time you post stuff like this , your blocked. Consider this your warning.
BigBoyFatso 2 years ago 5
i really wanna fly with one of these dive bombers!!!!!
kamoman09 2 years ago
Oooh... You probably want to reconsider that decision! When dive bombers begin their dive, they face multiple G's for 14-23 seconds. It's tough and painful!
BigBoyFatso 2 years ago
yeap .i know this.but dive bombers totally ROCK!!!!!!xDxDxD
kamoman09 2 years ago
me too!!!!!!
JadenYuki20 2 years ago
I Love The USS Enterprise
up27a 2 years ago
those drive bombers are crazy
donietorres2 2 years ago
It is only crazy if you don't consider that it's the only way that works to be precise enough to hit a ship with the accuracy needed to take it out of action.
Isolder74 2 years ago
amazing show
xxxShadowKnightxxxx 3 years ago
good show.
Dogmeat1950 3 years ago