my mother has missed the boat with her sister, because her mother had died on the Freckwagen in the cold and they have them on the snow under Friethof abgelegt.Als then they came to the ship was just off. Then the Russians came and it was fürchtbar, they were verschläppt and raped for days until they could save one night
The number of people killed here was truly staggering. However in 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944 and 1945 the Germans murdered that many people every day in their killing factories.
The Germans discovered that what goes around comes around.
@Elberiver11...it is absolutly true what you've said about Wilhelm Gustloff.I invite everybody in today's world participate in this controversial (also in "WG:the forgotten tragedy" by snakes3243) in a positive way.Please,just let me add a important argument that no one else use to express: no one Allied Power, USSR including,was during WWII above the specific international Law that regulates the right to do the war (IUS BELLI).Marinescu knew that WG wasn't a ship war.Attacking him was a CRIME !
I really wonder why the people from America and Britain only learn about "german crimes" at school, and never about Allied warcrimes.
Nobody murdered as many innocents in a ship destaster in human history, than the Allies did.
And notice, the majority of them were women and children.
The Allies called all these massacres on innocents "liberation". There was no need to kill millions of children and women in Dresden, Hiroshima, Hamburg, Gustloff, Eisenhower's death camps and so on.
@Elberiver11 Actually liberation was the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps, and Eisenhower never had one death camp. Russia was guilty of most Allied war crimes, not America and Britain. Do not blame every Allied nation for what Russia did to the Wilhelm Gustloff. I don't know what propaganda they teach where you are from, but America and Britain never had one death camp. And don't condemn Roosevelt and Churchill. They saved Europe from Axis domination.
@Ultimaton100 I should not blame the Allies for an Allied warcrime like the GUSTLOFF? So whom should we blame for Allied warcrimes and Allied atrocities? Oh i see, it's the bad Germans again.
And we should not blame the Allies either for lying about the GUSTLOFF either, should we? In any movie broadcasted in Britain, France or USA they claim the TITANIC was the greatesT ship desaster in human history. So why did your countries lie about the GUSTLOFF, when six times more people died?
Churchill and Stalin and Roosevelt never intented to "save" anyone, you fool. Where have you learned that nonsense of "innocent" Allies, in Micky-Mouse films?
CHURCHILL + STALIN + ROOSEVELT = 3 big warcriminals who subjugated Europe under the iron boot of the Communist dictatorship, and the other half under American rule.
@Elberiver11 Remember the Berlin Airlift? America and Britain flew in supplies when Russia set up a blockade. We went out of our way to help your people. If you want to believe the lies you have been told, then that is your foolish blunder, not mine. Roosevelt and Churchill were not criminals, they were heroes. They saved the world from Nazism including Germany. The real war criminals were Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo. You are so ungreatful and frankly, disgusting.
What does the AIRLIFT have to do with the Allies torpedoing 10 000 children and women on the GUSTLOFF? Yes, you are right, maybe the kids and women in DRESDEN or HIROSHIMA or on the GUSTLOFF should have been grateful for being burnt to ashes alive or drowned to death?
And maybe the millions who perished in Roosevelt's and Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing (Yalta Conference 1945) should have been grateful, too?
If anything is disgusting, its people like you who insult the massgraves of innocents.
@Ultimaton100 If the real war criminal for an American was "Hitler", then i wonder how many innocents Hitler killed in America?
I know of none. But i know of over 3 Million innocent German civilians who were brutally murdered by the Allies long time after the war was over.
Just because idiots like you only parrot what they saw in Micky-Mouse films,. does not mean it never happened, does it. You never saw anything about the GUSTLOFF either on Hollywood-TV, and yet it happened.
@Elberiver11 It is clear to me you are lost, either to lies you were told or lies you tell yourself. I've done extensive research on WW2, books, videos, not one Disney parody. So unlike you, I know what I am talking about. You actually defend Hitler? Are you neo-nazi? I've made it clear that I know what happened to the Wilhelm Gustloff was wrong, but America did not sink it, Russia did. America and Britain saved the world from Nazism and saved Germany from itself.
Dude, you are obsessed with your silly Hitler. This man, who was financed by American bankers by the way, was not the reason why America started war on Germany.
Just like Saddam Hussein was not the reason why you Americans started war on Iraq, because Hussein had been armed and financed by the USA anyway. Just like Hitler was.-
@Elberiver11 I am getting really sick of your lies. Roosevelt an Stalin are different you fool. Roosevelt was a hero who deserves your respect. Because of him and Churchill you were born into a free country. Just because you say something happened, that doesn't men it is true. I am a historian, I have been for years. America and Britain had no death camps and they never killed any civilians on purpose. You are just trying to discredit the Allied powers whoo saved your country.
@Ultimaton100 I was not born in a free country, you moron. 14 Milion Germans in the west were not free, because all their homes, property and land was robbed by Roosevelt and Stalin, learn about the Yalta Conference 1945, you idiot. Learn about the "Vertreibung", you dont even know what that word means, you dumb brainwashed american.
And another 20 Milion Germans lived under the iron boot of a Communist Dictatorship, you arsehole. This dictator had been ROOSEVELT'S ALLY.
@Ultimaton100 You are a historian? Oh my god, i am not surprised that Americans are so uneducated if they get taught by idiots like you.
The university degrees you have in America are not even recognized in Germany. Because the things you learn at university, we already have learned with our Abitur. America is known to be a country of uneducated dumb people.
And now go and drop bombs on children in Iraq, you sick racist man.
@Ultimaton100 Google for "dresden holocaust", and then see how the Allies "saved my country".
Or Google "Nemmersdorf", and see how Roosevelt's rapist Allies "saved" millions of children and women.
Too bad none of these children and mothers, murdered by Roosevelt and Stalin, had ever asked you to be "saved". I call it rape, child-abuse and murder. But a dumb american knows nothing about all that.
Now go and tell your students the TITANIC was the biggest ship desaster....
@Elberiver11 To finish I am sick of your bitching, your lies, and of you. You are impulsive, crude, an anti-semite, and simply not worth the attention of intelligent and sensible people like myself. So keep believing your fairytales and lies. At least I know most people in Germany have more intelligence than you. So long, you disgusting idiotic fool.
Oh dear, here we go. "Anti-semite", just another term to whitewash Allied atrocities and Allied warcrimes.
You are anti-semite yourself, and yes, you are anti-german. You really hate Germans. Please notice that Germany never started war on America. But America has.
March 1941: Roosevelt passes Lend-lease Act which puts the USA into state of war on Germany
July 1941: America starts attacking German ships at the coast of Greenland.
December 1941: Germany declares war back on the USA.
@Ultimaton100 Its funny how this anti-german racist who has never even been to Germany, does not speak the language and knows nothing about its people, tries to lecture us about Germany.
Dude, your country LIED about the GUSTLOFF. She was the biggest ship desaster in human history, over 9000 innocents murdered by the Allies - over six times more people than in the Titanic.
And yet, what did they teach you at an American school? The TITANIC was the biggest ship desaster.
Всё из-за Войны, политики развязывают войны, а мирные граждане за них расплачиваются. Капитан Русской подводной лодки, которая торпедировала лайнер Александр Иванович Маринеско просто выполнял свой долг. Маринеско даже не знал, какое именно судно торпедировал.
Who in a course, what the given vessel officially was the military man and then was engaged in transportation of one thousand future officers of military fleet of Germany???
On the given warship, of course, there were military flags and tools
Those officials of Germany who has planted on the given warship of civilians are guilty of this tragedy
Haste rech t,die Russen sin krepiert durch die eigene Regierung und den einmarsch der Deutschen wurde als Befreiung gefeiert ! Und heute vesucht man es den Kommunisten gleich zu tun den sie sind ja von den Judenbänkstern finanziert worden,so wie sie Hitler gespornsort haben !!!Juden sind die Pest auf diesem Planeten,eine Seuche die alles Fremde vernichten will und Israel ist der Herd der vernichtet werden muss !!!
@bikero, if the Russian sub was going to attack any ships in thst convoy, at least they could have seen the civilians filling it up to the top and capture it without sinking it at least, maybe.
@Wolfen443 Good thinking but that's very dangerous for a sub; Some ships were used as decoys with hidden guns. So when the submarine captain thoughts like you and surfaced to take the ship unharmed they will be sunk instantly because a sub is very vulnerable against gunfire. Even a freighter has enough firepower to sink an U-boat. Furthermore, wasn't the Gustloff escorted by a warship?
@arrant972 nothing to do with hindsight. The Allies knew that the Germans had launched a massive attempt to bring children and women away from the clutches of their Allied rapists. Everybody knew that it was mainly children and women and some wounded soldiers on the ship. It was a REFUGEE SHIP.
Also, it was sailing AWAY from the front. This was a 100 percent crime against humanity.
All three Allied leaders, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin, should have been tried and hanged for warcrimes.
@Elberiver11 comparing all the allies to the russians is the same as someone claiming all the Germans were nazis,the russian leadership acted with no remorse especially the pig stalin who probably was responsible for more death than hitler, ive known many u.s. veterans of ww2 and none have ever spoken badly of german civilians or even former wermacht soldiers , but they all hated the ss and said many poor german soldier was forced to fight to the death with a pistol at his back.
Marinesco was no hero & should not be celebrated as one. WWII generated many atrocities, The hatred engendered by cuelty on both sides blinds us to our common humanity.
@jbd210947 Do you understand German? dennie6666 has written very, very bad things about Jews here below. I think you should take that away. Take care and peace to all victims of war.
Woher willst du das wissen? Es ertranken über 10 000 Menschen allein 5000 Babys und Kinder! Der Rest.... Frauen, Alte, Verwundete und du laberst mich voll von 3000 Soldaten????? Außerdem war nur eine kleine U-Boot Division an Bord! Marinesco war ein Mörder genauso wie dein Stalin. Die beiden und 1000000 Bolchewisten zahlen ihre Taten in der Hölle! Btw Marinesco war ein Säufer, wie die meisten Russen!
Nein Deutsche trinken eher Bier und das ist sehr gesund! Vodka macht das Hirn kaputt ^^
Wieviel Millionen Kinder starben 1945-1948 in Ostpreussen unter russischer Verwaltung?...man muss sich hier nicht ständig die Verbrechen der anderen vorhalten, was mich stört ist dass ihr immer nur die Deutschen als Täter seht ..Dabei sind unter Stalin und mehr Menschen getötet worden. Die Ukrainer haben jedenfalls nicht gehungert als die Deutschen einmarschierten im Gegenteil!
Stalin - unser "schwarzen" Vergangenheit! Aber es war Ordnung im Land. Nicht so wie jetzt ... Die Kriminellen - nicht die Bevölkerung. Criminals - die Führung des Landes!
my mother has missed the boat with her sister, because her mother had died on the Freckwagen in the cold and they have them on the snow under Friethof abgelegt.Als then they came to the ship was just off. Then the Russians came and it was fürchtbar, they were verschläppt and raped for days until they could save one night
wiesnase8 1 month ago
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If you are a 5 yo child sinking with the Titanic, people around the world think of you in hundred years and more.
If you are the same 5 yo child sinking with the Gustloff, people say "The Germans discovered that what goes around comes around."
Hidekius 6 months ago
The number of people killed here was truly staggering. However in 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944 and 1945 the Germans murdered that many people every day in their killing factories.
The Germans discovered that what goes around comes around.
samk1101 7 months ago
@Elberiver11...it is absolutly true what you've said about Wilhelm Gustloff.I invite everybody in today's world participate in this controversial (also in "WG:the forgotten tragedy" by snakes3243) in a positive way.Please,just let me add a important argument that no one else use to express: no one Allied Power, USSR including,was during WWII above the specific international Law that regulates the right to do the war (IUS BELLI).Marinescu knew that WG wasn't a ship war.Attacking him was a CRIME !
GC7885 8 months ago
I really wonder why the people from America and Britain only learn about "german crimes" at school, and never about Allied warcrimes.
Nobody murdered as many innocents in a ship destaster in human history, than the Allies did.
And notice, the majority of them were women and children.
The Allies called all these massacres on innocents "liberation". There was no need to kill millions of children and women in Dresden, Hiroshima, Hamburg, Gustloff, Eisenhower's death camps and so on.
Elberiver11 9 months ago
@Elberiver11 Actually liberation was the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps, and Eisenhower never had one death camp. Russia was guilty of most Allied war crimes, not America and Britain. Do not blame every Allied nation for what Russia did to the Wilhelm Gustloff. I don't know what propaganda they teach where you are from, but America and Britain never had one death camp. And don't condemn Roosevelt and Churchill. They saved Europe from Axis domination.
Ultimaton100 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 @Ultimaton100 Eisenhower never had one death camp? Oh i see, maybe my grandfather only fantasized that he was murdered in there.
GOOGLE: "Eisenhower's death camps"
And click on images, you genocide-denier. There is no point in continuing your cover-up and lies, the truth always leaks out sooner or later.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 I should not blame the Allies for an Allied warcrime like the GUSTLOFF? So whom should we blame for Allied warcrimes and Allied atrocities? Oh i see, it's the bad Germans again.
And we should not blame the Allies either for lying about the GUSTLOFF either, should we? In any movie broadcasted in Britain, France or USA they claim the TITANIC was the greatesT ship desaster in human history. So why did your countries lie about the GUSTLOFF, when six times more people died?
Elberiver11 8 months ago
Churchill and Stalin and Roosevelt never intented to "save" anyone, you fool. Where have you learned that nonsense of "innocent" Allies, in Micky-Mouse films?
CHURCHILL + STALIN + ROOSEVELT = 3 big warcriminals who subjugated Europe under the iron boot of the Communist dictatorship, and the other half under American rule.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Elberiver11 Remember the Berlin Airlift? America and Britain flew in supplies when Russia set up a blockade. We went out of our way to help your people. If you want to believe the lies you have been told, then that is your foolish blunder, not mine. Roosevelt and Churchill were not criminals, they were heroes. They saved the world from Nazism including Germany. The real war criminals were Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo. You are so ungreatful and frankly, disgusting.
Ultimaton100 8 months ago
What does the AIRLIFT have to do with the Allies torpedoing 10 000 children and women on the GUSTLOFF? Yes, you are right, maybe the kids and women in DRESDEN or HIROSHIMA or on the GUSTLOFF should have been grateful for being burnt to ashes alive or drowned to death?
And maybe the millions who perished in Roosevelt's and Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing (Yalta Conference 1945) should have been grateful, too?
If anything is disgusting, its people like you who insult the massgraves of innocents.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 If the real war criminal for an American was "Hitler", then i wonder how many innocents Hitler killed in America?
I know of none. But i know of over 3 Million innocent German civilians who were brutally murdered by the Allies long time after the war was over.
Just because idiots like you only parrot what they saw in Micky-Mouse films,. does not mean it never happened, does it. You never saw anything about the GUSTLOFF either on Hollywood-TV, and yet it happened.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Elberiver11 It is clear to me you are lost, either to lies you were told or lies you tell yourself. I've done extensive research on WW2, books, videos, not one Disney parody. So unlike you, I know what I am talking about. You actually defend Hitler? Are you neo-nazi? I've made it clear that I know what happened to the Wilhelm Gustloff was wrong, but America did not sink it, Russia did. America and Britain saved the world from Nazism and saved Germany from itself.
Ultimaton100 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 everybody who mentions Allied atrocites and Allied warcrimes defends Hitler?
Oh my god. What kind of insane man are you?
Dude, you are obsessed with your silly Hitler. This man, who was financed by American bankers by the way, was not the reason why America started war on Germany.
Just like Saddam Hussein was not the reason why you Americans started war on Iraq, because Hussein had been armed and financed by the USA anyway. Just like Hitler was.-
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Elberiver11 FUC* USA. WORST ENEMY ...
wernernon78 5 months ago
@Elberiver11 I am getting really sick of your lies. Roosevelt an Stalin are different you fool. Roosevelt was a hero who deserves your respect. Because of him and Churchill you were born into a free country. Just because you say something happened, that doesn't men it is true. I am a historian, I have been for years. America and Britain had no death camps and they never killed any civilians on purpose. You are just trying to discredit the Allied powers whoo saved your country.
Ultimaton100 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 I was not born in a free country, you moron. 14 Milion Germans in the west were not free, because all their homes, property and land was robbed by Roosevelt and Stalin, learn about the Yalta Conference 1945, you idiot. Learn about the "Vertreibung", you dont even know what that word means, you dumb brainwashed american.
And another 20 Milion Germans lived under the iron boot of a Communist Dictatorship, you arsehole. This dictator had been ROOSEVELT'S ALLY.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 You are a historian? Oh my god, i am not surprised that Americans are so uneducated if they get taught by idiots like you.
The university degrees you have in America are not even recognized in Germany. Because the things you learn at university, we already have learned with our Abitur. America is known to be a country of uneducated dumb people.
And now go and drop bombs on children in Iraq, you sick racist man.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Google for "dresden holocaust", and then see how the Allies "saved my country".
Or Google "Nemmersdorf", and see how Roosevelt's rapist Allies "saved" millions of children and women.
Too bad none of these children and mothers, murdered by Roosevelt and Stalin, had ever asked you to be "saved". I call it rape, child-abuse and murder. But a dumb american knows nothing about all that.
Now go and tell your students the TITANIC was the biggest ship desaster....
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Elberiver11 To finish I am sick of your bitching, your lies, and of you. You are impulsive, crude, an anti-semite, and simply not worth the attention of intelligent and sensible people like myself. So keep believing your fairytales and lies. At least I know most people in Germany have more intelligence than you. So long, you disgusting idiotic fool.
Ultimaton100 8 months ago
Oh dear, here we go. "Anti-semite", just another term to whitewash Allied atrocities and Allied warcrimes.
You are anti-semite yourself, and yes, you are anti-german. You really hate Germans. Please notice that Germany never started war on America. But America has.
March 1941: Roosevelt passes Lend-lease Act which puts the USA into state of war on Germany
July 1941: America starts attacking German ships at the coast of Greenland.
December 1941: Germany declares war back on the USA.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Its funny how this anti-german racist who has never even been to Germany, does not speak the language and knows nothing about its people, tries to lecture us about Germany.
Dude, your country LIED about the GUSTLOFF. She was the biggest ship desaster in human history, over 9000 innocents murdered by the Allies - over six times more people than in the Titanic.
And yet, what did they teach you at an American school? The TITANIC was the biggest ship desaster.
Elberiver11 8 months ago
@Elberiver11 Germany started it.
debro52 2 months ago
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Всё из-за Войны, политики развязывают войны, а мирные граждане за них расплачиваются. Капитан Русской подводной лодки, которая торпедировала лайнер Александр Иванович Маринеско просто выполнял свой долг. Маринеско даже не знал, какое именно судно торпедировал.
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" if the Russian sub was going to attack any ships in thst convoy, at least they could have seen the civilians filling it up"
WG was torpedoed at night. Marinesko could see an outline profile of the ship only.
Ethereal0000 11 months ago
Who in a course, what the given vessel officially was the military man and then was engaged in transportation of one thousand future officers of military fleet of Germany???
On the given warship, of course, there were military flags and tools
Those officials of Germany who has planted on the given warship of civilians are guilty of this tragedy
sss7773 1 year ago
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Haste rech t,die Russen sin krepiert durch die eigene Regierung und den einmarsch der Deutschen wurde als Befreiung gefeiert ! Und heute vesucht man es den Kommunisten gleich zu tun den sie sind ja von den Judenbänkstern finanziert worden,so wie sie Hitler gespornsort haben !!!Juden sind die Pest auf diesem Planeten,eine Seuche die alles Fremde vernichten will und Israel ist der Herd der vernichtet werden muss !!!
dennie6666 1 year ago
good vid how deep is she ?
michaelwright999 1 year ago
This was military target, blackout, under navy convoy with about 1000 military personel on board. Germans foud what they deserved.
bikero 2 years ago
@bikero, if the Russian sub was going to attack any ships in thst convoy, at least they could have seen the civilians filling it up to the top and capture it without sinking it at least, maybe.
Wolfen443 1 year ago
@Wolfen443 Good thinking but that's very dangerous for a sub; Some ships were used as decoys with hidden guns. So when the submarine captain thoughts like you and surfaced to take the ship unharmed they will be sunk instantly because a sub is very vulnerable against gunfire. Even a freighter has enough firepower to sink an U-boat. Furthermore, wasn't the Gustloff escorted by a warship?
Railriderchris 1 year ago
@Wolfen443 in the hindsight yes, but back then...
arrant972 1 year ago
@arrant972 nothing to do with hindsight. The Allies knew that the Germans had launched a massive attempt to bring children and women away from the clutches of their Allied rapists. Everybody knew that it was mainly children and women and some wounded soldiers on the ship. It was a REFUGEE SHIP.
Also, it was sailing AWAY from the front. This was a 100 percent crime against humanity.
All three Allied leaders, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin, should have been tried and hanged for warcrimes.
Elberiver11 9 months ago
@Elberiver11 comparing all the allies to the russians is the same as someone claiming all the Germans were nazis,the russian leadership acted with no remorse especially the pig stalin who probably was responsible for more death than hitler, ive known many u.s. veterans of ww2 and none have ever spoken badly of german civilians or even former wermacht soldiers , but they all hated the ss and said many poor german soldier was forced to fight to the death with a pistol at his back.
dhamrick100 8 months ago
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tehnokonst 2 years ago
Hello PrussianLegatee,
Marinesco was no hero & should not be celebrated as one. WWII generated many atrocities, The hatred engendered by cuelty on both sides blinds us to our common humanity.
JBD
jbd210947 2 years ago
@jbd210947 Do you understand German? dennie6666 has written very, very bad things about Jews here below. I think you should take that away. Take care and peace to all victims of war.
susub75 1 year ago
@jbd210947 but then i wonder why officially only the crimes of one side are acknowledged, while the other side claims to be "innocent".
No Allied country officially declares their own atrocities to be warcrimes. They deny it.
Elberiver11 9 months ago
Harmlose Babys, Kinder und Frauen zu töten ist Völkermord und ein Kriegsverbrechen. Und der verantworliche Marinesco wurde noch als Held gefeiert!
Ist es heldenhaft ein Flüchlingsschiff zu versenken?
PrussianLegatee 2 years ago
@PrussianLegatee
Marinesco HERO! Er tötete 3000 Soldaten und Offiziere - die Besatzungen von U-Booten!
kvvlad1 1 year ago
@kvvlad1
Woher willst du das wissen? Es ertranken über 10 000 Menschen allein 5000 Babys und Kinder! Der Rest.... Frauen, Alte, Verwundete und du laberst mich voll von 3000 Soldaten????? Außerdem war nur eine kleine U-Boot Division an Bord! Marinesco war ein Mörder genauso wie dein Stalin. Die beiden und 1000000 Bolchewisten zahlen ihre Taten in der Hölle! Btw Marinesco war ein Säufer, wie die meisten Russen!
PrussianLegatee 1 year ago
@PrussianLegatee
Und die Deutschen trinken keinen Schnaps? Stärker als russischer bang! Und wie viele Kinder starben an Hunger in Leningrad gedacht?
kvvlad1 1 year ago
@kvvlad1
Nein Deutsche trinken eher Bier und das ist sehr gesund! Vodka macht das Hirn kaputt ^^
Wieviel Millionen Kinder starben 1945-1948 in Ostpreussen unter russischer Verwaltung?...man muss sich hier nicht ständig die Verbrechen der anderen vorhalten, was mich stört ist dass ihr immer nur die Deutschen als Täter seht ..Dabei sind unter Stalin und mehr Menschen getötet worden. Die Ukrainer haben jedenfalls nicht gehungert als die Deutschen einmarschierten im Gegenteil!
PrussianLegatee 1 year ago
@PrussianLegatee
Stalin - unser "schwarzen" Vergangenheit! Aber es war Ordnung im Land. Nicht so wie jetzt ... Die Kriminellen - nicht die Bevölkerung. Criminals - die Führung des Landes!
kvvlad1 1 year ago