@irkibby ADH has Facebook'd that try out was today, hope somebody sticks it up on here. Wonder if "The Friends of Whitechapel" have been protesting outside, during the tryout?
There are plenty of Taylor augmentations of their own rings which are poor. Coleshill are shocking example of 2 1923 Taylor bells (4 & 3) totally outclassing the newer Taylor bells of 1978. Cransley and St. Michael's Bath are 2 very good examples of old bells tuned by Whitechapel.
3+4 are the old trebles of an eight which were included in a ten around them in the seventies, yes. And the thing is about Coleshill, even the most ardent Taylors fan I know thinks that Coleshill are a load of utter shite, which they are. Any others apart from Coleshill you care to mention?
@95tupolev I don't see how Tune ups (or rather tune downs) At Cransley or St Michael's in Bath are relevant.
Cransley are all Bagley bells and St Michael's are a 1723 A II Rudhall six with two 1880's Taylor Trebles. St Michael's were not too bad to start with. Stevie Wonder could have tuned those and they would have come up OK. So let's be honest about it, Whitechapel had an excellent starting point for tuning those.
I haven't been to Coleshill, so can't comment about them
@fartwell2000 St. Michael's, Bath are mostly Rudhall, with a Warner 7th and 2nd. They used to sound just plain weird. The locals told me that they were completely transformed. As well as Cransley, Whitechapel tuned the Bagley 5 at Salford, Oxon. Compare these with the Taylor tuned Bagley back 6 at Wellesbourne. I rest my case.
Welford, Exeter extra treble, York extra treble, West Ham are rings with modernish Taylor bells that do not match earlier ones.
@fartwell2000 Ok - I like Whitechapel and you like Taylor bells - end of story. Just because I said that that bell sounded good, it doesn't mean I like Taylors any more!
@KDowner94 In all fairness, there are only a few good rings on the island-the rest may be considered to be the dogs whatsits by island standards, but put them on the mainland and they would be considered to be naff. Some complete true harmonic Whitechapel rings are excellent, but thier augmentations leave a lot to be desired-Preston, Shepton Beauchamp, Colwall, Masham, are just a few recent examples. A lot of retuned Mears stuff retains it "bucket like" qaulities-can't be avoided.
@KDowner94 have a look at Bells of Kent website-look under "Tunstall". Old bells tuned by Whitechapel 1975, recast by Taylors 1995. eight prior to 1995 were: 1&2 cast by Mears & Stainbank in 1923, back six by Thomas II Mears. Click on the sound recording for that Mears and Stainbank/Thomas II Mears ring AFTER retuning by your beloved Whitechapel...
@KDowner94 Must be some Taylor jobs you like, surely? I don't like a lot of the old stuff that has come from Whitechapel Road, but I do like some of the "complete" true harmonic stuff they have produced, but for a tune up (or rather tune down) or an augmentation, I wouldn't touch Whitechapel with a shitty stick..
@fartwell2000 Of course there are. Taylors have cast some bloody brillant stuff in their time such as, Abergavenny, York (who doesn't think York are good), most of Redcliffe, most of Chale, IOW, Worcester and probably the new Cornhill twelve too. But you have to admit that Whitechapel have cast some truly brilliant bells as well. Bow, Jewry Westminster Abbey, St Clement Danes.
@KDowner94 I've rung at Bow, Jewry and Bow and Jewry are good, but I was not impressed at St Clement Danes. The Heavy six at Foster lane are good too. Cornhill were just cack, no matter how much anyone has commented otherwise. At Masham in 1997/8, the front three of eight were sold. Whitechapel cast 5 new Trebles to the profile of the other five-and it is like ringing on two different crap fives-there is no real match (as was requested) between the front and back fives.
@fartwell2000 The only one on that list that really are the dogs b*****ks is Jewry. Bow are grand but the trebles are awfully harsh. St Clement Danes are a superb back eight with two pingy trebles. Westminster Abbey? No chance. Heard them at the RW100 and was sorely disppointed.
As for this Masham place it sounds a bit like Pebworth in Worcestershire... an 11cwt 10 with 4 Whitechapel trebles that were cast to sound like the back bells, but instead just sound abysmal.
@irkibby I thought Bow were really good as a twelve, but having rung at Cornhill earlier that day.... I didn't hear St Clement Danes outside, but from the ringing chamber, I was dissapointed as I'd been led to believe they were stunning. I was a bit gutted-nobody had pencilled in Woolnoth and we walked right past the place...
Masham are not good, it really is like ringing on two fives, but much publicity was made focussing on Whitechapel casting the front five to Harrison profiles to match...
They must be finished by now. Have they been rung yet?
95tupolev 9 months ago
@95tupolev I believe a tryout is imminent
irkibby 9 months ago
@95tupolev The first peal was rung on these on Sunday (26th June)
simonbellringer 8 months ago
That explains a lot. For instance, why the rings at The Sacred Heart, Bournemouth and Walsgrave-on-Stowe are out of tune.
95tupolev 10 months ago
Sounds great. Can't wait to hear all 12 bells ring out.
JustInn014 10 months ago
@JustInn014
They are being installed, wheels are going on at the minute. Naturally they'll be on here asap!
irkibby 10 months ago
@irkibby ADH has Facebook'd that try out was today, hope somebody sticks it up on here. Wonder if "The Friends of Whitechapel" have been protesting outside, during the tryout?
fartwell2000 9 months ago
There are plenty of Taylor augmentations of their own rings which are poor. Coleshill are shocking example of 2 1923 Taylor bells (4 & 3) totally outclassing the newer Taylor bells of 1978. Cransley and St. Michael's Bath are 2 very good examples of old bells tuned by Whitechapel.
95tupolev 10 months ago
@95tupolev
3+4 are the old trebles of an eight which were included in a ten around them in the seventies, yes. And the thing is about Coleshill, even the most ardent Taylors fan I know thinks that Coleshill are a load of utter shite, which they are. Any others apart from Coleshill you care to mention?
irkibby 10 months ago
@irkibby What do you think went wrong at Coleshill then? Are they naff castings or is it naff tuning?
95tupolev 10 months ago
@95tupolev Tuner was notoriously bad.
irkibby 10 months ago
@95tupolev I don't see how Tune ups (or rather tune downs) At Cransley or St Michael's in Bath are relevant.
Cransley are all Bagley bells and St Michael's are a 1723 A II Rudhall six with two 1880's Taylor Trebles. St Michael's were not too bad to start with. Stevie Wonder could have tuned those and they would have come up OK. So let's be honest about it, Whitechapel had an excellent starting point for tuning those.
I haven't been to Coleshill, so can't comment about them
fartwell2000 10 months ago
@fartwell2000 St. Michael's, Bath are mostly Rudhall, with a Warner 7th and 2nd. They used to sound just plain weird. The locals told me that they were completely transformed. As well as Cransley, Whitechapel tuned the Bagley 5 at Salford, Oxon. Compare these with the Taylor tuned Bagley back 6 at Wellesbourne. I rest my case.
Welford, Exeter extra treble, York extra treble, West Ham are rings with modernish Taylor bells that do not match earlier ones.
95tupolev 10 months ago
@95tupolev I disagree with the bit about West Ham, I thought they were a super Taylor 10, and all sounded perfectly in tune with one another!!
simonbellringer 6 months ago
Ooooh, that sounds really really good!! Much better as the old shitty ring... ;-)))
Engerlingraucher 11 months ago
I look forward to hearing how these turn out!
timmeh1507 11 months ago
I have to break the habit of a lifetime and say that that is a truly marvelous sounding bell
KDowner94 11 months ago
@KDowner94 Ah, now you are talking. When are you coming up North, to Sample some fine bells (all Taylor of course)?
fartwell2000 11 months ago
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KDowner94 11 months ago
@fartwell2000 Ok - I like Whitechapel and you like Taylor bells - end of story. Just because I said that that bell sounded good, it doesn't mean I like Taylors any more!
KDowner94 11 months ago
@KDowner94 In all fairness, there are only a few good rings on the island-the rest may be considered to be the dogs whatsits by island standards, but put them on the mainland and they would be considered to be naff. Some complete true harmonic Whitechapel rings are excellent, but thier augmentations leave a lot to be desired-Preston, Shepton Beauchamp, Colwall, Masham, are just a few recent examples. A lot of retuned Mears stuff retains it "bucket like" qaulities-can't be avoided.
fartwell2000 11 months ago
@fartwell2000 Well thats what you think and I cant be bothered to argue
KDowner94 11 months ago
@KDowner94 have a look at Bells of Kent website-look under "Tunstall". Old bells tuned by Whitechapel 1975, recast by Taylors 1995. eight prior to 1995 were: 1&2 cast by Mears & Stainbank in 1923, back six by Thomas II Mears. Click on the sound recording for that Mears and Stainbank/Thomas II Mears ring AFTER retuning by your beloved Whitechapel...
fartwell2000 11 months ago
@KDowner94
Let me say this, some of your arguments against Taylor bells in the past have been idiotic and ill informed. Soon you'll see the error of your ways.
irkibby 11 months ago
@irkibby Yes I admit they have not been mature comments at all - but I still dont like Taylors
KDowner94 11 months ago
@KDowner94 Must be some Taylor jobs you like, surely? I don't like a lot of the old stuff that has come from Whitechapel Road, but I do like some of the "complete" true harmonic stuff they have produced, but for a tune up (or rather tune down) or an augmentation, I wouldn't touch Whitechapel with a shitty stick..
fartwell2000 11 months ago
@fartwell2000 Of course there are. Taylors have cast some bloody brillant stuff in their time such as, Abergavenny, York (who doesn't think York are good), most of Redcliffe, most of Chale, IOW, Worcester and probably the new Cornhill twelve too. But you have to admit that Whitechapel have cast some truly brilliant bells as well. Bow, Jewry Westminster Abbey, St Clement Danes.
KDowner94 10 months ago
@KDowner94 I've rung at Bow, Jewry and Bow and Jewry are good, but I was not impressed at St Clement Danes. The Heavy six at Foster lane are good too. Cornhill were just cack, no matter how much anyone has commented otherwise. At Masham in 1997/8, the front three of eight were sold. Whitechapel cast 5 new Trebles to the profile of the other five-and it is like ringing on two different crap fives-there is no real match (as was requested) between the front and back fives.
fartwell2000 10 months ago
@fartwell2000 The only one on that list that really are the dogs b*****ks is Jewry. Bow are grand but the trebles are awfully harsh. St Clement Danes are a superb back eight with two pingy trebles. Westminster Abbey? No chance. Heard them at the RW100 and was sorely disppointed.
As for this Masham place it sounds a bit like Pebworth in Worcestershire... an 11cwt 10 with 4 Whitechapel trebles that were cast to sound like the back bells, but instead just sound abysmal.
irkibby 10 months ago
@irkibby I thought Bow were really good as a twelve, but having rung at Cornhill earlier that day.... I didn't hear St Clement Danes outside, but from the ringing chamber, I was dissapointed as I'd been led to believe they were stunning. I was a bit gutted-nobody had pencilled in Woolnoth and we walked right past the place...
Masham are not good, it really is like ringing on two fives, but much publicity was made focussing on Whitechapel casting the front five to Harrison profiles to match...
fartwell2000 10 months ago
@KDowner94 Not to worry, Kieran. Jesus loves you........
fartwell2000 10 months ago
@fartwell2000 Whats that meant to mean
KDowner94 10 months ago
@KDowner94 If you don't understand what it means, ask Fr Barry?
fartwell2000 10 months ago
Wre the other 3 as good as this?
simonbellringer 11 months ago
@simonbellringer Yep
irkibby 11 months ago
@irkibby Oooh, cant wait till they're in, I wanna grab!!!
simonbellringer 11 months ago
@simonbellringer all of the bell weights for all of the 12 are now given by dove online
bellminsterboy 10 months ago
Nice bell and back ;^)
Orgelix 11 months ago
@Orgelix I shall pass the compliments on when I see her next?
irkibby 11 months ago
: -S
DennisWubs 11 months ago
Ho Ho Ho. What a fantastic bell. If the Tenor is anything to go by, Cornhill will have a superb twelve.
fartwell2000 11 months ago
@fartwell2000 Oh yes. I'd given it a proper smack earlier, it has an impressive growl
irkibby 11 months ago
@fartwell2000 OH YES!!!
simonbellringer 11 months ago