Intentionnelly dropped or not, there's no way for double play with a ball hit that far in outfield, except if runners are sleeping.... Maybe one out on 3th, but never on 2nd. good night runners and coaches.....
Even if it was dropped intentionally, the runners need to be ready for anything out there. They should have been aware of the Umps signalling for out or not. Same as the base coaches. They are there for a reason. Only an infield pop up that can be caught routinely will be called an out in the correct situation, which I'm sure all of you know. So what's the big deal if he did it on purpose or not? It's too close to call if it was on the transfer or not. I would have not called an out either
This was never a catch..Watch the play, there was no control, and a good indication of this is that the ball dropped straight down to the ground and not up
lol that was the worst base running ever... a pop fly means be half way off the base.. and the first contact with the player means RUN.. regardless if he catches it or not (if ur tagging up) cuz thats the tag up rule... once he touches the ball once.. then ur good to run
If it was intentional, very smart left fielder. If not intentional, the left fielder showed great poise and reacted with quick thinking. Regardless, poor base running by both runners.
I intentionally dropped a blooping infield fly in the playoffs of a rec softball game to get a DP and I immediately felt like a douche. We gave the batter first base, but I still looked and felt like a prick. Don't do it, kids.
@PannerVision - "what is stopping a guy from doing this each time the situation develops?"
Good base running. Like the kind that teaches 9 year olds to go 1/3 to 1/2 way on all deep fly balls like this one. That's absolutely terrible base running.
Unintentional no question about it, but what intrigued me more was whether the batter should have been called out on the fly. It kinda looked like the ball was dropped in the exchange, not the catch. Maybe, perhaps...
Here's the pickle... Everyone is blaming the whole thing on the out fielder but what they should be doing is looking at the base runners. Unless it changed overnight last time i knew a ball hit to the outfield the runners should have went halfway not stay on the base. No matter what the outfielder did, the double play is totally on the runners shoulders and is completely their fault.
unintentional. he was trying to transfer the ball from his glove to his hand. if it was in the infield, it would be an out for a ball transfer like that
I can't see it, but it's not against the rules for an outfielder to do so. There is usually nothing to be gained if the baserunners are awake and not Gus Triandos.
1, i dont think it was intentional...2, it doesnt matter if it was or wasnt, its not an infield fly. Outfielders can do whatever they want. Its the infileders that cant intentionally drop a flyball
Not an intentional drop, the ball ends up behind his which usually happens when trying to transfer the ball from glove to hand on the run like that. Play stands doubled up!
No offense to baseball, but what a stupid situation the rules create! Make it one or another! This also just goes to show that the rules are too complex.
Outfielders can do what they want, drop the ball, intentionally, whatever. An infielder cannot intentionally drop a ball in an effort to create a double play. They CAN let the ball hit the ground first and then get the double play. But, if they, in the umpire's judgement, INTENTIONALLY let a caught ball fall to the ground in an effort to trick the baserunner, the ball is dead, the batter is out, and no double play.
At least, that's what the rule used to be a few years back.
Intentional or not that is a legal play...only if it was an infield fly that should be called infield fly out by rule, it's legal,but not big deal about this play, that is totally even allow if he dropped the ball intentionally.
@francbloom18 exactly...if an outfielder intentionally drops a ball in deep left field and ends up turning a double play then the baserunners fucked up
I think the ball was dropped on the transfer but it is true that the runners should have been paying attention and ran the bases based on the call but it was not an infield fly. it is only an infield fly if it is fly ball that the ump thinks is catchable by an infielder near the infield. no error either because he got the out(s).
That is a LEGAL Double play. The infield fly rule only takes place when first base is occupied and the ball DOES NOT leave the infield. The ball was hit to the outfield, dropped, the recovered. The double play stands, no charge of E7 (Error to Position 7)
If I were the umpire I would have called that the ball was dropped on transition and therefore a fly out. However, as KWEERIOS stated, the base runners should have been more aware of what was called and reacted accordingly.
there is no rule for dropping the ball intentionally in the OF. I don't think this play was intentionally done, but if you know a team or certain runners don't move 1/3 or 1/2 way to the base until the ball is caught then might as well let it drop and go for the double play... Its the batting teams fault they got the outs.
Heres a "Little leauge" tip, Try taking a secondary lead. The runners should have been close to half way to their next bases and the 1st and 3rd base coaches should have been paying attention calling them on. Just my opinion
That should have been an out because the player tried to get the ball out of his glove. He did not drop it. He mishandled the ball trying to get the ball out of his glove. Anyways, it wasn't intentional.
Well I'm sorry that you have that opinion. Baseball kicks ass. I would say fuck you, but you have the right to an opinion. no matter how much your opinion pisses people off.
The runners on first and second should be playing it halfway. Unless the guy on second has unbelievable speed and is tagging. Once the ball drops both runners should be busting it. I believe that the only intentional drop would be covered by the infield fly rule. An outfielder could not gain an advantage by this, unless the runners do not do what they should.
I agree with Dave, terrible baserunning. He did not intentionally the ball as you can see on the film, he was trying to make a quick exchange and throw the ball towards third and he never gained control of the ball. The Umpires made a great "No Catch" decision. SEE OBR 2.00 Infield Fly (comment) and 6.05 (L) You can go to the MLB website and look up the rules.
To clarify, an outfielder could catch a ball declared infield fly or the ball could possibly be beyond the infield grass and still be declared an infield fly... just one of those little rules people miss sometimes... like a bunt could never be an infield fly
Wrong. Their are certain restrictions on infield flies, but an outfielder having to be in the infield is not one of them. National Federation rules say so.
An outfielder can catch an infield fly, but what I was trying to say is that a fly ball hit to where an outfielder can catch it with ordinary effort is not an infield fly unless he was stationed within the infield at the time of the pitch.
I agree that it came out a lot different than I intended.
It was meant in response to bmtqb7's comment in which he stated that an infield fly has nothing to do with the outfielder. I was trying to point out that it does in certain situations.
Wrong... an outfielder does not have to be stationed within the infield to catch an infield fly... he just needs to catch it with ordinary effort... so if the right fielder is playing in on a high pop up and moves into the area of the infield he can make the catch... again only if it ordinary effort
That's true and of course I can't speak to the rules you play by, but it's total myth that an infield fly can only be in the infield by American League Rules (what the MLB uses). It's only about as true as hands are part of the bat.
Unless you can read his mind - there is no way to decide.Unless the outfielder closes his glove takes a couple of steps and reaches down placing the ball on the grass - there will never never be a call made against him. In either case the fault lies with the runners not going 1/2 way on a fly ball with less than 2 outs. That is basic bad baserunning and/or coaching,
This was the right call: ball was unintentionally dropped & no catch. If the umpire feels he dropped it intentionally, he can call the batter out to prevent defensive trickery. It's hardly ever used because the umpire would have to make that decision in a split second. The INFIELD FLY (called more often) rule was in effect which also prevents this from happening, but only when the ball (by judgement), is hit where the fielder can easily catch it with "ordinary effort", infield or outfield.
BrOck, it's automatic if O or 1 out, but only if there is 1st and 2nd or bases loaded. The whole reason, I believe, for the infield fly rule is to not make a mockery of the game. If they didn't have it, every time a fly in the infield was hit with two men on would be dropped for an easy dp. Many rules in many sports are there to preserve the dignity of the game. this vid is not an ex. of this. If this guy drops on purpose, he is punishing the player who is not hustling. that player is a mockery
An infield fly is defined as a pop up that can be routinely (easily) fielded by an infielder, it has nothing to do with the outfielder. The moment it is hit the umpire declares it an infield fly, the batter is out, and it has nothing to do with the runner(s). The ball is live and if caught the runner(s) may tag up and advance if they want to, or if the ball falls safely to the ground, the runner(s) may advance if they so choose. Google infield fly rule in baseball, or look it up on Wikipedia.
I'll pretend I'm googlepedia and tell you that the infield fly is determined by the ability of said fielder, and should be called at the apex of said fly ball. So if Fat Tommy Stoneglove is playing first base, and has to back track into the outfield to catch said flyball, then it should be a no call...where Fast Jimmy Webhands would easily catch it. The umpire uses their best judgement, and if the ball drops...well...that's the coaches fault for piss poor scouting.
The defense, on a pop-up can let the ball fall "untouched" to the ground. They can use that to try and get a double play, runners not advancing because of the pop-up. But , if a fielder on a pop-up, lets the ball hit him, glove,etc, and lets it drop, the umpire can rule "Int Dropped Ball". Time is called, batter is out, runners return. This is to protect the offense.
Intentionally dropped balls only apply in infields. the idea is that if the ball is far away enough (like in the left field in this video), the runners should NOT be getting doubled up. That's why you see pro runners go about half way on fly balls (unless to tag up to score on a sac fly). If the runners had gone half way, and saw the ball drop, it'd be very difficult to get two outs in the play.
it was caught, dropped on the transfer. could have been intentional, but either way the catch should have been called an out. Bush league, but very clever
they shouldnt have been doubled up on this play at all anyone who knows baseball would be halfway to the next base with a ball hit that deep and the out fielder having to move to make the catch...bad players
In my youth when I used to play street ball - been there done that. Between the time I take the ball out of the glove and throw it, I find it has sought liberty... Life is like that. I'm not even so sure he had control, it was so quick.
It was middle deep outfield, so I don't think he could have expected a double play, at least not on the spur of the moment. I think it was a lucky error that worked in his favor.
The correct call should have been a catch, he dropped is as he was pulling it out f his glove. So the batter would be out, and eliminating the force. Runners can run at their own risk by tagging. Secondly you cant have intentional drop the rule in the outfield. The rue is designed for infielders trying to turn two when the runners are vulnerable. When the ball is in the outfield the runners have more of an advantage, and can go half way. Those runners got screwed b/c the initial call was wrong.
Hardly. The fielder reached into his glove to retrieve the ball and realized it wasn't there...if you notice when the fielder reaches into his glove the ball is already behind him...
even if it was a dropped ball and not a bobble on the transfer there is no way that was set up because its not like he would have known that the runners wouldnt have taken off
yall are all wrong... except for the guy who says its the base runners fault, but in a way its kinda not...
the LF drops the ball on THE TRANSFER from his glove to his hand therefore the batter is out (which makes it 2 outs) and the runners go back to their base
That's why you always watch the ball.
ThePaulman93 6 months ago
Intentionnelly dropped or not, there's no way for double play with a ball hit that far in outfield, except if runners are sleeping.... Maybe one out on 3th, but never on 2nd. good night runners and coaches.....
68alca 6 months ago
Even if it was dropped intentionally, the runners need to be ready for anything out there. They should have been aware of the Umps signalling for out or not. Same as the base coaches. They are there for a reason. Only an infield pop up that can be caught routinely will be called an out in the correct situation, which I'm sure all of you know. So what's the big deal if he did it on purpose or not? It's too close to call if it was on the transfer or not. I would have not called an out either
fitzhume 7 months ago
This was never a catch..Watch the play, there was no control, and a good indication of this is that the ball dropped straight down to the ground and not up
TonySiani 7 months ago
If guys started doing that intentionally there would either be rules changes or LFs with sore backs and asses from getting beaned. =)
milpoolXXX 7 months ago
the ball was caught, and then dropped in the transfer from the glove to the throwing hand. batter is out on a fly out to left field.
HermitintheRain 7 months ago
either way that is a catch he went to transfer the ball after he caught it and on the transfer he dropped it
Birchmasta26 8 months ago
Ball to the outfield it doesn't matter if its dropped. Play on!
rolandoalmaguer 8 months ago
unintentional
x20michigan 8 months ago
unintentional
CoachCamilo 8 months ago
definately not intentional
tvmoviesandmusic 8 months ago
unintentional.
jewokee44 9 months ago
lol that was the worst base running ever... a pop fly means be half way off the base.. and the first contact with the player means RUN.. regardless if he catches it or not (if ur tagging up) cuz thats the tag up rule... once he touches the ball once.. then ur good to run
curveballmick 9 months ago
That was just terrible base running.
BRAVESFAN1025 9 months ago
worst base running ever
kindguy420 10 months ago
Unintentional, but let's just say it was: The LF knows the baserunning coach is very poorly disciplined.
EelSacul 11 months ago
i like blueberry waffles
lilCaucasian 11 months ago
If it was intentional, very smart left fielder. If not intentional, the left fielder showed great poise and reacted with quick thinking. Regardless, poor base running by both runners.
ppsh42b 1 year ago
No way that is intentional, what kind of a baseball player thinks to drop a catch to get a double play?
ReallyRandomRoska 1 year ago
it was intententional because we do that in my allstar team that was a great play
TheElmo6754 1 year ago
bad base running they should both be half way
pb07pb 1 year ago
I intentionally dropped a blooping infield fly in the playoffs of a rec softball game to get a DP and I immediately felt like a douche. We gave the batter first base, but I still looked and felt like a prick. Don't do it, kids.
Louie14DGB 1 year ago
@PannerVision - "what is stopping a guy from doing this each time the situation develops?"
Good base running. Like the kind that teaches 9 year olds to go 1/3 to 1/2 way on all deep fly balls like this one. That's absolutely terrible base running.
HawkeyeCubP 1 year ago
no he didnt
kegler27 1 year ago
If i wanna make this play is a fu*** good actor
bob1315rush 1 year ago
Perfectly legal but it was unintentional anyway
rolandoalmaguer 1 year ago
why wuld u intentionaly drop it when ur like 10ft from da wall...obviously just an error
chaotickillers 1 year ago
Unintentional no question about it, but what intrigued me more was whether the batter should have been called out on the fly. It kinda looked like the ball was dropped in the exchange, not the catch. Maybe, perhaps...
crazydiamond1to9 1 year ago
Here's the pickle... Everyone is blaming the whole thing on the out fielder but what they should be doing is looking at the base runners. Unless it changed overnight last time i knew a ball hit to the outfield the runners should have went halfway not stay on the base. No matter what the outfielder did, the double play is totally on the runners shoulders and is completely their fault.
emt100565 1 year ago
@emt100565 Well, the guy on first should have gone halfway. The runner on second should go back and tag to be ready for a play.
ReaperOfMen 1 year ago
unintentional he missed it then reaized the play he could starts
iluvsk8ting777 1 year ago
Even if it was intentional, its called the infield fly rule, not the outfield fly rule.
The runners should of been ready for the ball to be misplayed, they clearly were not paying attention.
TNTITAN 1 year ago
unintentional
mastachief1231 1 year ago
unintentional
Blizzardman75 1 year ago
unintentional. he was trying to transfer the ball from his glove to his hand. if it was in the infield, it would be an out for a ball transfer like that
cobaltdude07 1 year ago
it really doesnt matter if he tried to or not it wouldnt make a difference
its in the outfeld and there is no "outfeld fly rule"
metsfan7797 1 year ago
either way should be legal if the player wants to risk the fly ball
pgtv69 1 year ago
look at him.. he's drifting towards the ball, he did it unintentional
Tauruspt2 1 year ago
lol he looked surpised and thats a little risky maybe on an infield fly
chickenis6 1 year ago
unintentional it was in his glove then just rolled out and its to risky to do that because that could get the runner from second to home
drumba5 1 year ago
I can't see it, but it's not against the rules for an outfielder to do so. There is usually nothing to be gained if the baserunners are awake and not Gus Triandos.
oldaardvark 1 year ago
1, i dont think it was intentional...2, it doesnt matter if it was or wasnt, its not an infield fly. Outfielders can do whatever they want. Its the infileders that cant intentionally drop a flyball
krustyeyes 1 year ago
intenely
chickenstrips3000 1 year ago
Not intentional. T
warpig362 1 year ago
He caught it and dropped it when trying to transfer to his throwing hand....That's a catch....
punx8086 1 year ago
Not an intentional drop, the ball ends up behind his which usually happens when trying to transfer the ball from glove to hand on the run like that. Play stands doubled up!
Screwball0102 1 year ago
hell no that wasn't on purpose he just f@$#ed up
focusizhere 1 year ago
@Sealsealdk
Complex means simple and easy to understand you idiot... Pick the right vocabuary words before you make An ignorant a comment like that
Baseballsky9 1 year ago
@Baseballsky9 dude I love baseball but no complex does not mean simple lol...where did you go to school???
poonkinator 1 year ago
@Baseballsky9 your an idiot. complex is pretty much the opposite of simple..
nyybaseball1992 1 year ago
No offense to baseball, but what a stupid situation the rules create! Make it one or another! This also just goes to show that the rules are too complex.
Sealsealdk 2 years ago
Outfielders can do what they want, drop the ball, intentionally, whatever. An infielder cannot intentionally drop a ball in an effort to create a double play. They CAN let the ball hit the ground first and then get the double play. But, if they, in the umpire's judgement, INTENTIONALLY let a caught ball fall to the ground in an effort to trick the baserunner, the ball is dead, the batter is out, and no double play.
At least, that's what the rule used to be a few years back.
rwalden2007 2 years ago
no nhjbjbj
MetRay14 2 years ago
Intentional or not that is a legal play...only if it was an infield fly that should be called infield fly out by rule, it's legal,but not big deal about this play, that is totally even allow if he dropped the ball intentionally.
francbloom18 2 years ago
@francbloom18 exactly...if an outfielder intentionally drops a ball in deep left field and ends up turning a double play then the baserunners fucked up
poonkinator 1 year ago
intentinal
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CAZZERNERY 2 years ago
that wasnt intentional
action0515 2 years ago
I assume that infield (even the brown parts) is astroturf? It looks like concrete!
MemoManDF2 2 years ago
I think the ball was dropped on the transfer but it is true that the runners should have been paying attention and ran the bases based on the call but it was not an infield fly. it is only an infield fly if it is fly ball that the ump thinks is catchable by an infielder near the infield. no error either because he got the out(s).
arishatkin 2 years ago
That is a LEGAL Double play. The infield fly rule only takes place when first base is occupied and the ball DOES NOT leave the infield. The ball was hit to the outfield, dropped, the recovered. The double play stands, no charge of E7 (Error to Position 7)
Fox946 2 years ago
Double Play. Heads-up on the outfielder. Definitely not an infield fly.
MadPatter66 2 years ago
clearly a double play
coulie27 2 years ago
If I were the umpire I would have called that the ball was dropped on transition and therefore a fly out. However, as KWEERIOS stated, the base runners should have been more aware of what was called and reacted accordingly.
Midnightrambler3760 2 years ago
there is no rule for dropping the ball intentionally in the OF. I don't think this play was intentionally done, but if you know a team or certain runners don't move 1/3 or 1/2 way to the base until the ball is caught then might as well let it drop and go for the double play... Its the batting teams fault they got the outs.
Kweerios 2 years ago
not intentional
eminem765432 2 years ago
that would only count if it was an infeild fly
jeremykool4life 2 years ago 2
well i didnt think it mattered if u intentionally drop it theyve done it before in my high school league
paintballer1231 2 years ago
uhm... it looks like he just drops it. but what the hell are the runners doing??
DJock10 2 years ago
terrible base running and why are the first 45 seconds of video even on there?
hammr25 2 years ago 2
Heres a "Little leauge" tip, Try taking a secondary lead. The runners should have been close to half way to their next bases and the 1st and 3rd base coaches should have been paying attention calling them on. Just my opinion
caneywaney 2 years ago 2
that was so intentional no 1 dros a ball like that
haosbakuganmaster 2 years ago
Outfield fly rule??? which of course will never work. this may of been said but its the first thing that crossed my mind.
wolfie0890 2 years ago
That should have been an out because the player tried to get the ball out of his glove. He did not drop it. He mishandled the ball trying to get the ball out of his glove. Anyways, it wasn't intentional.
ANDYtheTRASHMAN 2 years ago
i think it wasn't intentional...
lebron4pres23 2 years ago
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legacy6684 2 years ago
Well I'm sorry that you have that opinion. Baseball kicks ass. I would say fuck you, but you have the right to an opinion. no matter how much your opinion pisses people off.
thefatman18 2 years ago 20
hahahahahahahaahahahahahaah
bmaster34 2 years ago
only reason u say that is becuz u suck at it
weirdokid1 2 years ago 2
non intenional he was trying to make the next play and didnt focus on catching the ball
kleinkats09 2 years ago
yah non intentional he was looking were he was going to go and dropped the ball i might have dropped it if it was a close ball game with the pressure
ikeman378 2 years ago
non-intentional
BLanger37 2 years ago
nope
NDSToday 2 years ago
the players have to watch the ump assigned to this play. If he signals the "safe" call that means no catch and they must be busting it.
jackmehoffer68 2 years ago
The runners on first and second should be playing it halfway. Unless the guy on second has unbelievable speed and is tagging. Once the ball drops both runners should be busting it. I believe that the only intentional drop would be covered by the infield fly rule. An outfielder could not gain an advantage by this, unless the runners do not do what they should.
jackmehoffer68 2 years ago
i agree dude good point, those runners should be hauling even if he dropped it, now if that were in the infield, it'd be an infield fly....
bmaster34 2 years ago
No.
phillipjr7 2 years ago
Intentional or Not...That is some heads up baseball.
Looks like an accidental drop but who can say for sure.
clearlyme2u 2 years ago 2
Short answer: No.
mattvorwald 2 years ago
accident
Cubsrcool26 2 years ago
that wasnt infeild fly...it was accidental he dropped on the exchange hitter should have been out
xkilljoy02x 2 years ago
Looked accidental. But the intentional drop rule, 6.05l, applies to an infielder. And then the ball is dead, batter out but no double play possible.
deemixdee 2 years ago
It looked accidental. But it wouldnt be called as a dropped ball because it didn't happen in th infield.
davymc91 2 years ago 2
obviously accidental. The guy is lucky that the base runners are idiots
rompstyle 2 years ago
looks intentional
yankeesgeek202 2 years ago
intentional or not, ball to the warning track a double play shouldn't of happened
buddaman200522 2 years ago
Ah, the reason why the infield fly rule exists. If all baserunners where this dumb we'd have to call it at the warning track too.
sntslilhlpr6601 2 years ago
tough call, but its pretty funny.
jjmwilkinson14 2 years ago
what horrible baserunning
sesshumuro 2 years ago
It looked like he was trying to take the ball out of his glove
systemdown12 2 years ago
I'm going to say that was intentional, and practiced
The third baseman and second baseman seemed like they knew the play was going to happen
MattyBoyCMS 2 years ago
no catch
Bloodshot043 2 years ago
Unintentional. It's too risky of a play to do on purpose.
ejmusk 2 years ago 19
@ejmusk so someone tried it on the red sox and only called the batter out.
DancingDudes123 1 year ago
@ejmusk
Intentional or not, no rule cover this situation, so Umpires were right
realhomosapiens 1 year ago
@ejmusk especially since its from the outfield
onlybygrace32 8 months ago
unintentional, but that is a good idea...
bigjames2089 2 years ago
I think it is unitentional it seem too real, like he actually dropped the ball or otherwise he is a really good actor. lol
bluejayzfan 2 years ago
I'm saying unintentional, but extremely disputible. Tough call
JMason814 2 years ago
Not intentional.
deanlampe 3 years ago
I agree with Dave, terrible baserunning. He did not intentionally the ball as you can see on the film, he was trying to make a quick exchange and throw the ball towards third and he never gained control of the ball. The Umpires made a great "No Catch" decision. SEE OBR 2.00 Infield Fly (comment) and 6.05 (L) You can go to the MLB website and look up the rules.
mikeman919 3 years ago
it's just terrible baserunning... neither runner took off, there's no way they get a double play if the runner on first is running
DaveMeggett 3 years ago
if that was on purpose, that kid is good
shammell45 3 years ago
i don't know but if he did drop it on purpose then he disguised it great! Mad Skills!
tonyjh34 3 years ago
To clarify, an outfielder could catch a ball declared infield fly or the ball could possibly be beyond the infield grass and still be declared an infield fly... just one of those little rules people miss sometimes... like a bunt could never be an infield fly
RaiderReplay 3 years ago
The only way an outfielder can catch an infield fly is if he is stationed within the infield at the time of the pitch.
someoneinca 3 years ago
Wrong. Their are certain restrictions on infield flies, but an outfielder having to be in the infield is not one of them. National Federation rules say so.
dave0mary 3 years ago
An outfielder can catch an infield fly, but what I was trying to say is that a fly ball hit to where an outfielder can catch it with ordinary effort is not an infield fly unless he was stationed within the infield at the time of the pitch.
I agree that it came out a lot different than I intended.
It was meant in response to bmtqb7's comment in which he stated that an infield fly has nothing to do with the outfielder. I was trying to point out that it does in certain situations.
someoneinca 3 years ago
Wrong... an outfielder does not have to be stationed within the infield to catch an infield fly... he just needs to catch it with ordinary effort... so if the right fielder is playing in on a high pop up and moves into the area of the infield he can make the catch... again only if it ordinary effort
Retlaw00 2 years ago
That's true and of course I can't speak to the rules you play by, but it's total myth that an infield fly can only be in the infield by American League Rules (what the MLB uses). It's only about as true as hands are part of the bat.
RaiderReplay 3 years ago
Unless you can read his mind - there is no way to decide.Unless the outfielder closes his glove takes a couple of steps and reaches down placing the ball on the grass - there will never never be a call made against him. In either case the fault lies with the runners not going 1/2 way on a fly ball with less than 2 outs. That is basic bad baserunning and/or coaching,
RayBoylan 3 years ago
This was the right call: ball was unintentionally dropped & no catch. If the umpire feels he dropped it intentionally, he can call the batter out to prevent defensive trickery. It's hardly ever used because the umpire would have to make that decision in a split second. The INFIELD FLY (called more often) rule was in effect which also prevents this from happening, but only when the ball (by judgement), is hit where the fielder can easily catch it with "ordinary effort", infield or outfield.
RaiderReplay 3 years ago
infield fly is only on the INFIELD!
Br0ck14 3 years ago
Totally 100% Wrong. Read the rules.
RaiderReplay 3 years ago
i have the book with me right now
note i live in sask. canada so this is our ruling (ive also been umping for 5 years)
A popped up ball remaining in the infeild is an automatic out if there are 0 or 1 out and can be caught with normal effort.
The point is to save the runners from a double play (ex. the video above :P)
Br0ck14 3 years ago
BrOck, it's automatic if O or 1 out, but only if there is 1st and 2nd or bases loaded. The whole reason, I believe, for the infield fly rule is to not make a mockery of the game. If they didn't have it, every time a fly in the infield was hit with two men on would be dropped for an easy dp. Many rules in many sports are there to preserve the dignity of the game. this vid is not an ex. of this. If this guy drops on purpose, he is punishing the player who is not hustling. that player is a mockery
jackmehoffer68 2 years ago
An infield fly is defined as a pop up that can be routinely (easily) fielded by an infielder, it has nothing to do with the outfielder. The moment it is hit the umpire declares it an infield fly, the batter is out, and it has nothing to do with the runner(s). The ball is live and if caught the runner(s) may tag up and advance if they want to, or if the ball falls safely to the ground, the runner(s) may advance if they so choose. Google infield fly rule in baseball, or look it up on Wikipedia.
bmtqb7 3 years ago
I'll pretend I'm googlepedia and tell you that the infield fly is determined by the ability of said fielder, and should be called at the apex of said fly ball. So if Fat Tommy Stoneglove is playing first base, and has to back track into the outfield to catch said flyball, then it should be a no call...where Fast Jimmy Webhands would easily catch it. The umpire uses their best judgement, and if the ball drops...well...that's the coaches fault for piss poor scouting.
jmpisthemachine 3 years ago
is it illegal to drop it on purpose?
if it is/isnt's is the rule different for infield?
xwednesday013 3 years ago
The defense, on a pop-up can let the ball fall "untouched" to the ground. They can use that to try and get a double play, runners not advancing because of the pop-up. But , if a fielder on a pop-up, lets the ball hit him, glove,etc, and lets it drop, the umpire can rule "Int Dropped Ball". Time is called, batter is out, runners return. This is to protect the offense.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
that was perfect play
bryson78910 3 years ago
ERROR
He dropped the ball on the transfer
EASILY AN ERROR
dandaman9014 3 years ago
yes error however... he still completed the play and got the out so does that still count because the play was still completed?
PivotOwnageAW 3 years ago
Yes the error counts Play would be scored E-9 9-5-4DP
bc1271 3 years ago
k thanks
PivotOwnageAW 3 years ago
Wrong! There is no error if the runner does not advance.
bmtqb7 3 years ago
THAT'S RIGHT!!! it would only be an error if the catch would have been the third out of the inning. My bad.
bc1271 3 years ago
Didn't look intentional, he actually had caught it. If he did that on purpose though with a double play in mind...good for him.
skimarcus 3 years ago
how do you get double up?? THe guy at first should have been at least half way.
bulldogpaco15 3 years ago
Intentionally dropped balls only apply in infields. the idea is that if the ball is far away enough (like in the left field in this video), the runners should NOT be getting doubled up. That's why you see pro runners go about half way on fly balls (unless to tag up to score on a sac fly). If the runners had gone half way, and saw the ball drop, it'd be very difficult to get two outs in the play.
buttkiss101 3 years ago 4
I came here to say this
+1
JavyLopezc08 3 years ago
The runners should have tagging up when the catch was made (or not made, as the case may be).
Very bad baserunning by The Pilots.
Holdenon3 3 years ago
it was caught, dropped on the transfer. could have been intentional, but either way the catch should have been called an out. Bush league, but very clever
Bsteph20 3 years ago
It was a catch but when he was getting the ball from his glove he dropped it
BigRedBlade 3 years ago
they shouldnt have been doubled up on this play at all anyone who knows baseball would be halfway to the next base with a ball hit that deep and the out fielder having to move to make the catch...bad players
jeremycole32 3 years ago
i call that an error
eaglez4evr 3 years ago
no the left fielder accedenlty droped because he droped it on the transfer
dragonot1 3 years ago
In my youth when I used to play street ball - been there done that. Between the time I take the ball out of the glove and throw it, I find it has sought liberty... Life is like that. I'm not even so sure he had control, it was so quick.
It was middle deep outfield, so I don't think he could have expected a double play, at least not on the spur of the moment. I think it was a lucky error that worked in his favor.
centercounter 3 years ago
catch. the drop was on the transfer to throw the ball in.
Pirates310 3 years ago
he lost it on the transfer, its a catch - bad call
FDR5555 3 years ago 2
i agree with you terrible call,the other team should of protested for that horrible call.
eldelapauta47 3 years ago
It was a horrible call indeed...BUT protest in baseball doesn't register...at best your coach will be sent back...at worst he is a gonner
pencrazypal 3 years ago
"what is stopping a guy from doing this each time the situation develops?"
The answer: The infield fly rule. It's the umpire's job to call it, and the runners' jobs to act accordingly when it is called or not called.
treitmaniac 3 years ago
treitmaniac, the ball wasn't easily catchable by an infielder duh
acefabo 3 years ago
The correct call should have been a catch, he dropped is as he was pulling it out f his glove. So the batter would be out, and eliminating the force. Runners can run at their own risk by tagging. Secondly you cant have intentional drop the rule in the outfield. The rue is designed for infielders trying to turn two when the runners are vulnerable. When the ball is in the outfield the runners have more of an advantage, and can go half way. Those runners got screwed b/c the initial call was wrong.
eagle22 3 years ago
The left fielder CAUGHT the ball. A catch is defined as firm and secure possession and voluntary release.
The act of the outfield sticking his hand in the glove and a pulling motion out dignifys that this indeed was a catch by the left fielder.
The ump blew it.
bnmlovermd 3 years ago
Hardly. The fielder reached into his glove to retrieve the ball and realized it wasn't there...if you notice when the fielder reaches into his glove the ball is already behind him...
militiaman0 3 years ago
i second that
FujiExpress 3 years ago
no way intentional there is no way lissman would have known that the runners werent gonna go
noahsoccer2 3 years ago
It wasn't intentional.
AlesandrosX 3 years ago
No way would you drop it, just poor baserunning.
Nussbeck 3 years ago
Runner supposed to be halfway and supposed to watch the play and if it caught go back to the base. If it drop RUN FOOLS. That's runner MISTAKE!
Ballplayer300th 3 years ago 2
accident, not many guys drop and outfield fly ball to get a dbl play...runners' mistake
jambowowow 3 years ago 2
OK it doesn't matter if he caught it or not...the runners are supposed to go half way. Once they see the ball not caught, they should be running
tk038 3 years ago
well we have instant replay now, easy call
chasepijr 3 years ago
they have rules like infield fly for reasons, that's why you go half way n watch the whole play
sbt200224 3 years ago
It went deep into the outfield; why would they call an infield fly for that?
MostCreativeName 3 years ago
he missed on accident he droped the ball on his transfer!!
basie121 3 years ago
he dropped it on the transfer
beatlesandcubsfan 3 years ago
even if it was a dropped ball and not a bobble on the transfer there is no way that was set up because its not like he would have known that the runners wouldnt have taken off
Dlooloo 3 years ago
yall are all wrong... except for the guy who says its the base runners fault, but in a way its kinda not...
the LF drops the ball on THE TRANSFER from his glove to his hand therefore the batter is out (which makes it 2 outs) and the runners go back to their base
the umpires just obviously were not close enough
somebody please argue with me
ccrane8jm 3 years ago
your right
NODIKprod 3 years ago
yeah you're right no argument here
fehockeykid13 3 years ago
ok clearly he drops the ball on the transfer so its a catch
umpires just couldnt see it
ccrane8jm