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  • He put hot urine in his ice tea pitcher.....no ice tea for me thanks, do you have a Pepsi in a closed can?

  • HI Andrew,

    I talked about this with my husband and he is going to watch the videos.  He said he could lift the bed no problem and that it worth gving it a try.

    Thanks,

    Andrea

  • Thanks Andrea, please give around 4 weeks for the therapy to begin to take full effect.

    First 2-3 weeks can bring aches, pains, stiff neck and maybe an increase in spasm. This is the normal run, you may be lucky and miss the introductory aches n pains.

    Andrew

  • So simple yet profound and controversial enough to rub academia up the wrong way.

  • Andrew: Have you tried this with a bigger than 6mm tube? How significant is the pipes internal diameter?

  • I have tried it with smaller diameter tubes, but 6 mm is the largest tube I have tested it with. 6mm is a huge difference from the size of xylem and phloem in the tree, Capillary action relies on even smaller tubes than those found in trees!

    An argument against this observation was raised on the Nakedscientist forum that this would not work with a metal tube, though no one has tried it yet.

    The trade off for diameter is the weight of the increased volume of water in both sides of the exp

  • This can be tested with a thermometer with denser solutes above less dense solutes. Thermohaline, clearly is less important than density flow when the water below is warmer than the water at the surface. This is what I was trying to show with the video of a simple sugar solution, on my Youtube account, although I did not have a thermometer to test it, it clearly shows that the denser solution below the surface cannot escape the pull of gravity to reach the surface as the fluid is heated.

  • It may interest you to know that it is recognised that density from evaporation around northern Europe, Alaska, Iceland and Greenland is providing the driving force for the Atlantic conveyor system. Making the ocean surface water denser, causing a massive sink of solutes that drags on the warmer less dense water from the equatorial regions. In Florida for example, temperatures at the reef have been found to be higher than at the surface of the ocean.

  • In the case of a tree, circulation is maintained through the leaves. transpirations main purpose is to concentrate salts and sugars at the upper part, so that gravity can drag the denser solution down. This in turn generates a pull on xylem sap that in turn pulls on the water in the soil. Incoming water from the soil is less dense than the sap at the roots so it dilutes the sap so it can be drawn up by the down flow. In autumn when leaves fall, sap is denser at the roots than leaves transpiring.

  • Justin, in Strasburgers experiment with a tree suspended in a bath of picric acid or copper sulphate solution, where the roots were cut off while submerged. Circulation, transpiration continued for 3 weeks after the whole tree was killed off, eliminating any possibility of living processes being involved. Evaporation from the leaves of the dead tree would have continued as solutes liberated from the dead upper part of the tree percolated down, enabeling more less dense solution to be pulled up.

  • Hi Andrew, let us not forget that the ocean currents are in fact a heat transfer system, the heat energy which powers this system is provided by the sun and the earths rotation, since it is an open system (until the sun dies) the entropy cannot rise. And so the ocean currents go round and round.

    I under stand that it is an example of density flow, but some form of energy needs to move the dense water to the entry point whether by heat or yourself moving it to the ceiling.

  • In the case of a tree, a downward flow in the phloem will cause a pull on the sap in the xylem resulting in a return flow. But there is another consideration. The higher density in the phloem will generate an increased pressure head of sap in the xylem forcing the growth at the tips of branches. See the sprit level experiment with a U tube and salt solution added to one side causing a change in water levels.

  • The simple experiments are not designed to perfectly represent a tree but to show how a density flow is capable of moving a greater volume of water. In the case of the Brixham Experiment which caused water to flow vertical to 24 metres operates with just a few mils of salt solution added to one side. This rotates a 48 metre tube suspended as an inverted U where the tiny amount of salt solution drags the enrire contents around causing one bottle to overflow and the other bottle to empty.

  • Hi Justin, thanks for the comment.

    The Atlantic Conveyor system has managed to keep going using this powerful density flow system. A lot more powerful than the heart one would think. Before the heart develops in say a chick embryo, circulation is established to construct a simple tubular circulation that resembles the Brixham experiment. The tube then begins to show a pulsatile flow before the heart forms. Eventually the heart is formed.

    The heart rate on an inclined bed is 10-12 BPM slower.

  • Interesting video. However this is not how water flows to the top of a tree... transpiration is the mechanism at work there.

    And it certainly does not assist or hinder any of the circulation within you or I, the force with which the heart pumps is orders of magnitude more powerful than this effect.

    Another flaw is that this system is powered by heavy salt water (open system) as soon as the salt water flow at the top stops, so does kinetic energy and entropy causes the flow to stop.

  • Simple experiments are always the best to show something we all take for granted. Gravity obviously has to pull the heavy fluids down. But the surprise was that the hot water from the teabag flowed down. Would have been good to use a thermometer to show warmer water at the bottom of the vase.

    Thank you.

  • Conspiracy? The experiments are simple enough to repeat for anyone to see if they are indeed true to the video. Unsure what you mean by loaded slowly or are you just pulling my leg?

  • I notice this video loads much, much slower than the promoted videos. Must be a conspiracy!

  • People!!.. **Highly Important**

    Has any one else besides me that ever saw a video/movie in which actually human beings (men) can breith some sort of wierd liquid/water??.. I've seen it once couple years ago, but now I just can't get it.. Can someone please help me out finding a video either in youtube or movie, please?? thanks!!

  • Glad you liked the experiments. Though simple, they have far reaching implications for understanding the principles behind circulation in all living species, including plants humans and animals

  • Great experiment !

  • Interesting.... thanks for posting this... most interesting! I will try this out with my kids this weekend.

  • You are most welcome. The best experiment is the last one which lifts water to great heights.

    Come back and share your results please.

    Regards

    Andrew

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