Card Check - United Auto Workers Try to Unionize Indiana Plant March 25, 2009

[AquaticRobot]

It is time to ban United Auto Workers. Trade unions are some criminal organizations which cause disruption, and are threat to economy and to private property.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

I know that an organized work force scars the hell out of you 3% guys or you $250k and up guys. Companies that move overseas should be taxed to hell and companies that stay in the US should have no taxes. If companies move overseas for the cheep labor the items that they send back to the states should be taxed to hell.

[savannah505]

Screw the unions, they had their time and need, but now it 's like an organized crime family, threatening people. It goes also that the execs need to be fair, it's nothing but greed all the way around. So what do the big boys of the union earn? For doing next to nothing. Company execs that act fairly could give a better deal to it's workers without the union involment. How much does lets say a janitor make? I'd like to know, and who are you Fluxcapacitor, what do you do?

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Im a skilled trades machine repair person, and you have been drinking too much of the anti union propaganda Kool-Aid (crime family, threatening people, earn too much money?) You wing nuts should be trying to bring your wages up to a union level and stop trying to drag other people down to your level. It sounds like the little green monster envy, is low wages for everyone your end game? If not what is your motive for this? So were do you fall on the list below?

[savannah505]

Well now, so fluxcapacitor2008 is a skilled trades machine repair person? Basically for being so smart as you think, all you manage to come up with is basically calling me names. You don't address that the wages drive prices so high, the level of money that pours into union, the proven mafia and organized crime that has plagued unions, or the fact that a working on an assembly line takes little if any higher education. I"m an artist, did 3&1/2 years on Rush Limbaughs house. NO, never met him.

[savannah505]

Part 2 - I don't want you to come down to a poverty level, but you've eaten cake and ice cream for a long time in comparison to everyone else, maybe you don;t live in a real world attitude. Like you've got to be blessed with the best, and can't come to grips that maybe this attitude has helped destroy what good you had. I work in stone, wood, metal and glass, featured in museums and art galleries, know lots more than you or any auto line worker knows. Like to make your wages and benefits.

[savannah505]

Part 3 - But I don't because of the hours of dedication to create something new, the trials and errors, to finally get something that looks right. No one would pay that much. It's a tough road, but I do it. You shop at wal-mart to spend the least amount of your money, then bitch if people buy a cheaper, but better made car. You employees could have produced a better car, don't blame the execs on this, you could have raised a real fuss, and made it known, where was your power used then?

[FluxCapacitor2008]

The big business power base has the middle class fighting each other, they dont want a organize work force, they are fighting to lower your wages so we need to fight to keep a living wage.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

savannah505

My motive, I want to see American pride that things are made in the US by well paid union or non union workers. I want to pick up items and see made in America. I dont want our employer to have the disadvantage of having to pay worker health care that other counties do not have to pay.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

savannah505

I want to see an organized work force that has some political power so we can turn back (the real reason of job loss) the unfair trade polices of the past 10 years that have caused the loss of millions of non union and union jobs.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

My point is I want you to have the chance for better wages and benefits, the more people that have good paying jobs the more people we will have going to art galleries and buying things. People are sick of the low paying jobs; the Wal-Mart business plan is not good for the middle class. Your anger is misguided it is our government that has set you up to fall with unfair trade

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Dont come back with any of your scare tactics, the current economic model is to maximize profits and keep the wealth pooled at the top and that inturn keeps the country and the middle class in debt. Then they have their soldiers hammer down wages, divide the work force and make people think its for their own good.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

The bottom line is the majority of the people are sick of the top 3% controlling the economic and political landscape for personal gain. The middle class majority will keep organizing and we will keep targeting the senators and congress men that do not conform to the will of the majority.

[AirborneIdentity]

i've been promoting card check all over my state at any business/office building that will have me.

all the employees LOVE it

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Can any of you union busters come up with anything other then the not true secret ballot argument?

[FluxCapacitor2008]

8: Fox news reporters that for short term gains put their stock portfolio ahead of American worker rights .

[FluxCapacitor2008]

6: They are a socialism fear mongers that have a unfounded fear of social services

7: business owners in fear of what will happen to their lodging industry

[FluxCapacitor2008]

2: They are business owners that do not offer benefits or a fair wage and dont want to.

3: They have been raised in a union bashing family and cant think for themselves.

4: They are holding a gouge because they had a bad experience with a union.

5: They have been brainwashed by the main stream media thats ran by the ultra rich and they dont realize they are screwing them selfs.

Middle class supporters can add to the list.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Unions are groups of working families trying to make life better for themselves and others. So you have to question the motives of the union busters. Union buster fall in to one or more of the following>

1: They are GOP voters that are bitter working union families have some political power and used it to vote republicans out democrats in because they vote for labor more often.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

The long term viability of all middle class jobs union and non-union are in danger. We as middle class workers need to organize in some way. We need to have some push back for the downward pressure the ultra rich power base is putting on the workers. We need a organize work force so we have some political power to turn back the one sided trade policies. We have no chance in hell to be completive with Chinese workers that make $35 a month on average.

[bidonitbaby]

Sounds like FluxCapacitor2008 is a BA. Have you seen what the BA's drive, wear and live in? If the EFCA passes, and their intended goal is met (unionizing small business), small biz as we know it will end, and you, dear homeowner, may not be able to afford simple service calls for heating, electrical, plumbing etc. Eventually, local villages will be upset because a bunch of unlicensed.Jack of all trade on the side guys will be doing the work so people can afford.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

BA?

[FluxCapacitor2008]

That claim is not borne out by historical data or existing credible research. compare data on business failures among unionized and similar nonunion firms and concludes that unionized businesses are no more likely than nonunion ones to fail.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

In the debate over legislation to expand employees right to choose union representation in the workplace, the organized business lobby has been drumming up fears that enactment of the Employee Free Choice Act would kill jobs by forcing more employers out of business.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Strong unions set a pay standard that nonunion employers follow. For example, a high school graduate whose workplace is not unionized but whose industry is 25% unionized is paid 5% more than similar workers in less unionized industries.The impact of unions on total nonunion wages is almost as large as the impact on total union wages.The most sweeping advantage for unionized workers is in fringe benefits.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Unions have a substantial impact on the compensation and work lives of both unionized and non-unionized workers. Unions raise wages of unionized workers by roughly 20% and raise compensation, including both wages and benefits, by about 28%,Unions reduce wage inequality because they raise wages more for low- and middle-wage workers than for higher-wage workers, more for blue-collar than for white-collar workers, and more for workers who do not have a college degree

[Chikusoo]

as long as there are someone out there who are willing to work less than unionized labor, unions will always be the ones that help push jobs away to Asia

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Unions are the best special interest group the working class people have and the only voice we have in Washington. If anyone has a better way to improve labor rights and bring trade back into balance let me know, the working class has the power of the vote and the ultra rich have money.

[FluxCapacitor2008]

Do not be fooled companies are not concerned about your rights they are concerned about the bottom line.

This is why

[JTMarlin8]

Union members and leaders should be jailed for life.

[redgirlrising]

EFCA Card Check will kill businesses and leave millions unemployed. This is the fast-track to our demise!

[AJAX556]

BW is wrong on one point.

The vote to de-certify the unions would, under this new bill, be private.

[zunerbigtman67]

The differance is that these employees were able to get a secret vote under current laws. This vote basicly set aside the card check certification. Under EFCA the union could be cerfified without the secret ballot. then to decertify the employees would need to get enough signitures to get a vote on decertification. What's good for the goose in not what's good for the gandor with EFCA.

[jomelvin67]

Unions are not whats wrong, but whats right they fought for workers rights like safer working conditions the eight hour work day. By negotiation they help get better wages and benefits.

You say that ,Union workers ARE the problem. I say your wrong by collective bargaining it strengthens works an their voice and gives them a fare shake.

[docmagnus]

Judging by your atrocious spelling and grammar, I can tell that you are indeed one more dumb union member

[jomelvin67]

whats ( dumb ) about what I said ?

sure the spelling and grammar is bad

But tell me whats not TRUE about that comment?

[zunerbigtman67]

Sure unions did a great job in these areas back in the day. Today however, they often price their members out of work, companis are leaving for other countries. Union bosses are more concerned with maintaining power than they are with keeping the union members employed. They would rather see a company shut down than to make consetions to the employer. You can be pro union an still be against EFCA, I'm not pro union or pro employer on this, I'm for workers being able to vote without intimidation

[zunerbigtman67]

Come on, that's weak. You demean yourself when you attack an individual personally.

[Hudd1950]

Lesson: never, ever agree for a union to help you.

[TheWayISeeIt1982]

ha! the company asked for the unions help restructuring debt and then fight the Union when they try to organize!

[malickfan]

Unions are Killing America.

[MeLikeGoFast]

Unions are a big part of what is ruining this country.

IBM said they are moving workers to india BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSED CARD CHECK LAW.

[ozne64]

watch?v=TsNZSzwPxU0

[JSErwine]

Unions used to be a great thing for this country, until greed set in.

Hmmm....I wonder if thats why socialism does not work?

[thejuice317]

I live in flint michigan, and have seen first hand what the uaw has done to gm. The auto industry is gone and the uaw is to blame.

[EquivocallyAbsurd]

Unions have long outlived their usefulness.

I work non Union while other friends work Union within the same Industry. Rest assured, I am much better off in many ways from salary to benefits to job security. I don't have to pay Union dues. The Union is the only one coming out ahead, certainly in this day and time.

Look what the UAW has done for the Auto Industry. Soon many, most, if not all Auto Workers will be flipping burgers for minimum wages. Fate by greed.

[scorpking68]

Funny, you put the greed on the Auto workers. You obviously watch way too much Fox and don't care about facts.

[EquivocallyAbsurd]

Fact is in a Nov. 18, 2008, New York Times editorial, Andrew Ross Sorkin claimed that, counting benefits, each UAW worker receives $74/hour while Toyota workers receive about $44/hour.

And who do you suppose covers this cost, the consumer via product cost. And how has that related to recent sales records? And the financial health of the Big 3 is what?

So, if greed is the wrong word perhaps you could give me the correct word.

[Realizalize]

$74/hour???

statistically for a life long payment including pension.

you all will never know, what the unions prevented

from happenning to you ppl.

p.s.: this women has german accent.

[MeLikeGoFast]

Union workers ARE the problem.

They refuse to negotiate and are going to force the car manuf. to go into bankruptcy.

[KrasnayaArmada]

ok well what is so bad about lets say a local union that workers did want?

[putittogether]

Sweet.... gangsters and lobbyist will help the workers, what a great idea. Where do I sign up?

[njattack]

It makes no difference what the U.S. auto industry does. GM, Ford and Chrysler will go bankrupt with only a small auto industry emerging. Why?

1. U.S. auto industry stabbed the American people in the back. It took their money but did not reinvest in the U.S. i.e. create American jobs. It went to foreign lands.

2. It can never regain the trust and confidence of the American people.

3. It makes a poor car.

The U.S. auto industry will soon cease to exist as anything but a hotdog stand.

[PopulistaProductions]

Pathetic. Fox News and the anti-union folks have to resort to lying. Fact is even the anti-union WSJ op-ed page admitted EFCA does NOT take away the right to a secret ballot.

[USCC]

What the WSJ said:

"The bill doesn't remove the secret-ballot option from the National Labor Relations Act but in practice makes it a dead letter."

[45jbc]

Sorry, nice try. If 50% of employees sign a card interested in an election for a union, the bill introduced says then the union has to be certified, no discussion no secret ballot. How does a card get signed? A union thug comes by and hands you a card and tells you that by signing you're showing interest. He doesn't tell you that if half the workers sign, you're srewed.

[NorthernStorm8]

Typical union bully boys.

[swami1]

More union thuggery on display.