Guys I am more of a star trek fan but I honestly think the star destroyer would win. The Enterprise-E is designed for exploration and a star destroyer is made for combat. That doesn't mean star wars is better then star trek though. I like both (star trek more) but seriously judge things on story and not ship capabilities.
@Parolth Not really a matter of design, its a matter of technology, and if by chance they know ahead of time that they're going in to battle (like say Troi gives them a warning) then the Enterprise could easily keep her distance and out maneuver anything thrown at them. Meanwhile, they can take all week to discuss how to proceed lol Cant kill what we can't catch, and in normal space, Trek is many times faster. Be like trying to kill a hummingbird with a baseball bat lol
@muirheadR not episode it's movie lets see all the ones with Picard is star trek 8 first contact and star trek 10 nemesis. the one with kirk is star trek 6 the undiscovered country... please tell me the time of the one your asking and i'll tell you :-)
being both and star trek and star wars fan, one could argue that since star wars exists in another space and time the technology and physics operate differently than in star trek which is based on our physics and space/time. which would make comparing star trek to star wars completely irrelivent. even if it is fun to imagine what would happen if those two worlds ever met each other.
@stanfordsan someone has done a full star trek v star wars without the likes of data ect. the one i'm talking about is a 4 part fan made with normal people staring in it but i forget the name of it lol
@stanfordsan "star wars exists in another space and time"
Actually, its not another space and time, its the same, only in different areas of space, different point on the timeline. Hyperspace isn't the same though; it was made up as a solution to getting around the physics of faster than light travel. Star Trek uses actual physics theory, not some 'magic realm' to cheat their way past the speed of light. The concept is sound enough though if you actually read up on it.
@DigitalAlpine same universe maybe, but a whole other galaxy entirely. you never see anyone in star wars mention the milky way galaxy do you? how is anyone to know how space/time and physics can work in another galaxy, it could be exatcly the same, or it could give us the abliity to make lightsabers
@stanfordsan "how is anyone to know how space/time and physics can work in another galaxy"
Because they never suggest their galaxy has different physics, so when unmentioned, everything defaults to what is known by the audience. Just like what is known about humans here should apply unless specified otherwise. They eat, sleep, breath, etc, and we automatically assume they take a piss when necessary.
@DigitalAlpine or.... George Lucas put it all in another space and time so when ever anyone finds any plot holes, or inconsistencies he can just say; " different physics, or an alien technology so advanced we could never dream of making the thing for real." comes in handy when you write yourself into a corner and need a way around it.
@stanfordsan Since I didnt read or hear that from Lucas himself, I won't accept that theory as reason. But let's say that's so. There is no logic in presenting a movie that doesn't portray different physics while expecting the audience may assume such a thing when we have no reason to without recognizing that it's so or being told. So bottom line is, one could argue the physics are different, but only if they had such limited integrity that they'd try to bullshit their way around explanation.
@stanfordsan LMAO It's already been discussed many times, as well as the question of why something hot enough to melt thru almost anything isn't burning the person using it. For someone with an education, there IS an explanation for it.. but for u, we'll just say, "it's magic".
@DigitalAlpine education? if you were educated you would be actually debating with me, and not trying to throw insults at me like a preschooler. reminds me of Ron White in his debate club; "oh yeah, well f*** you!"
@stanfordsan Only you aren't debating, you're trying to prove the possibility of possibility. Also, kind of hard to 'debate' with someone who hasn't anything to bring to the table. Why don't you go back to the kiddie table and play there, instead? As for insulting you? This isn't an official debate forum, its youtube. Fans way more passionate than myself have been here and done the exact same thing, or worse. So save your 'pitty me' attitude for someone who gives a shit.
@DigitalAlpine whatever you have to tell yourself to make you feel all big inside. besides, i did bring facts, if you watch any movie george lucas makes, you can see he likes to cut corners and do things the easy way.(the new Indianna Jones movie is a good example, can't believe Spielberg directed that piece of crap) most of star wars is based off roman history and stories. the whole plot with emperor palpatine, and gaining control of the republic was modeled after Julias Cesar
@stanfordsan "whatever you have to tell yourself to make you feel all big inside."
That's all you're doing, face it. You present the '1 could argue' comment based on a possibility with no evidence supporting your theory, and ignoring every bit of evidence I submit from the movie, and the unmistakable logic.
So you keep telling yourself, "you cant deny the possibility" which no, I can't prove he didnt, but I've already proven your concept would be stupid when there's no reason to.
@DigitalAlpine except my original comment was about how comparing star trek to star wars is pointless because they they are two very different things, yet some how my opinion of star wars seemed to shove a rod up your tight ass. now i understand that you need to have the last word otherwise you realize just how tiny your balls are. so enjoy your reign as king of the youtube comments.
@stanfordsan "even if it is fun to imagine what would happen if those two worlds ever met each other."
So you already understood it could be fun for people to debate this, and the only thing left was me telling u what you can do with your theory of "why comparing star trek to star wars completely irrelivent".
As for your opinion, you'd first need that validated before I gave a shit about it. lol
'Last Word' card? Well played, I guess. hahah Your childish games dont work, kid.
No thats not true. Piccard have a very good Chance to destroy the Ship. Because the Empire have only Phasers but not so strong Phasers like the Enterprise. And the Empire have no shields so the Ship is destroyed bevor they can say. Help
@ToVoful Dude, The Empire still used turbo lasers which is hundreds of years behind TNG tech. Hyper Drive is only Warp 1 and Warp 9.9 is hundreds of times faster than that. The shields in SW were also way weaker too.
Hyper Drive is merely the means of escaping normal space and entering hyperspace. I've never known anyone to argue that the drive itself even acts as a means of propulsion. Without the realm of hyperspace, who knows what the thing would do?
so yeah - hyperspace 'tech' is only good because of the fictional realm its used in. If hyperspace existed in ST, then Trek ships would be just as fast. SW fans won't bring that up in debates tho...
@DigitalAlpine Han Solo says how fast his hyperdrive can go at ".5 past light speed. Light speed is only Warp 1 so the MF can only go like Warp 1.1. Hyper Drive is merely the means of breaking light speed the same as a Warp Drive, it a rudimentary Warp Drive I suppose. I don't know the mechanics of it as it is fictional anyway.
When activated, the hyperdrive shunts the starship into this other dimension, where it can cover vast distances in an amount of time greatly reduced from the time it would take in "real" space. Once it reaches the point in hyperspace that corresponds to its destination in real space, it re-emerges. Usually, hyperdrive refers to a method of travel in which it takes a measurable amount of time to go from one point to another.
@stalkingalizee See, I been debating this stuff with a lot of people for a long time, some far far longer than myself, and I look things up to make sure I have at least some idea of wtf Im talking about. I check stuff others say before I give credit to what they say, and make damn sure I have a source for what I say myself.
@DigitalAlpine Do you deny Solo said it? It is in the movie and well known that Warp 1 is light and Warp 2 is several times more than that which makes that technology obsolete to the Star Trek universe. Apparently you don't check enough if you don't know what Han said.
lol thats so cute! Hold on while I giggle for a moment...
No, really! That is so funny!! You suggest I deny something and then tell me I don't check enough if I dont know!
Its no even a matter of whether he said but a matter of what is meant by it. .5 is not a reference to a fraction of velocity. I mean, from what you say, "Light speed is only Warp 1 so the MF can only go like Warp 1.1" you don't have a clue what he's even talking about! hahaha
@DigitalAlpine How old are you, 10? So let me learn you something, .5 is a fraction past light speed. It means the Falcon's top speed is 1.5 light speed which translates to about 1.1 on a Warp chart. You don't have a clue... lmao
@stalkingalizee "It means the Falcon's top speed is 1.5 light speed"
You argue an interpretation - what YOU think it means. I'll stand by the most overwhelming evidence that can POSSIBLY be presenedt: 1.5 times the speed of light will not get anyone from point A to Point B fast enough for your interpretation to be correct.
Our small galaxy is 100,000 light years across. Even at 10x light speed, its 10,000 YEARS. I suggest u get a calculator and figure out why your interpretation doesn't work.
The nearest star is over 4 light years away. That means at Warp 1, you got 4+ YEARS worth of travel time on your hand. Even if the Falcon goes 10x faster, you wouldn't hear Solo say "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other." because he could possibly LIVE long enough to do that. Even with Voyager hauling ass, they were looking at 75 yrs to cross 70,000 light-years? Im guessing u dont do math much...
@DigitalAlpine Solo said he made the Kessel run in under 6 parsecs. He used it as a unit of time instead of distance so I wouldn't really trust what his measurements are. Lucas didn't go to near the trouble Roddenberry did to get simple facts straight. That is why I like Star Trek better. I do see what you are saying but then there is no real measurement for the Hyper Drive speed to compare to Warp drive.
@stalkingalizee Well movies and TV shows are meant to be enjoyed, not scrutinized to make sure every single detail is perfect and correct. If u debate long enough, you'll hear Star Wars fans who have an answer for the 'parsecs' statement. It actually coincides with why u can't really debate warp drive vs hyper drive. That's because hyperspace is not the same realm and the same method of traveling distance does not apply.
@stalkingalizee When they plan a trip thru hyperspace, a Nav computer has to account for every stellar body's current location as well as it's location throughout the duration of the trip. Think of it like the game Frogger. Shortest distance is straight across but there's traffic - like stellar bodies - that you'll encounter along the way. U can take 3 quick jumps to move ahead of a car before crossing or 1 step in the other direction and cross behind the car...
@stalkingalizee also, if your 'frog' jumps fast enough, u can take shortcuts that a slower frog can't because he would have to wait for bigger gaps in the traffic. That's sort of how Hyperspace works - if your ship is really fast, u have a better choice of routes and are able to reach your locations by traveling much shorter distances.
Not sure this is the concept they had in mind when the script was written but it certainly applies. I'd write that just to make people question the mistake.
@daniellisnermeicker Maybe you don't realize the very slow Star Wars ship speeds in normal space. The only time they are very fast is when they transfer to the realm of hyperspace. Star Trek ships have warp speed in normal space, so while Star Wars could maybe have strength on attack, they don't have much ability to shoot something that isn't moving slowly.
Meanwhile, the only prayer Star Wars has is the stupid claims of the fans about SW deflector shields which we already know is false.
"1 MGLT is approximately equal to 1 meter per second."
SW ships go from 60 for an SD to 110 for Tie Interceptor.
Meter per Second = 2.24 Miles per Hour. (online converter)
MemoryAlpha: "According to Jo'Bril in the episode "Suspicions" the shuttles aboard the Enterprise-D had a maximum impulse velocity of approximately 2.5% of light speed – (approximately 12,400,000 miles per hour)."
@DigitalAlpine Oh no lol! Excuse me, but I mistook your 2.5% for 2.5 TIMES (2.5*) and drew from that that we were discussing hyperspace/light drives... Galactic Civil War hyperdrives are many times faster than Trek ones though :). Sub-light, the ISD still has to be faster than that. Just take the first scene of episode IV. A 1600 metre Destroyer passes the camera's view in roughly 11 seconds (between front of underside and back of underside)(which on a ship shaped as such must exceed its full
@DigitalAlpine length...) This means that... Well, you do the math. Definitely faster than 60m/s, if only by a little. This shuttle... It's fast, I'll give you that... I don't suppose gravity-wells would inhibit that movement seeing as it's sublight? Because, if so, even an Immobiliser-418 would finish it in seconds.
@tarkinfish " Immobiliser-418 would finish it in seconds."
Everyone LOVES bringing the Interdictor in but nobody likes to comment how long it takes to charge the projector, and then how long does it take it to generate the gravity well, much less how inconvenient it is to try to move one.
Also, I was told they operate by tricking hyperspace safeties into thinking there's a planet or sumthing and THAT is what prevents hyperspace travel, NOT that hyperdrives physically cant operate near them.
Oh, and BTW, could you imagine if the Enterprise can do a 180 and go to warp in like 3 seconds - its GONE, then imagine what kind of maneuvers it would do once they dump the saucer section, which they've done at warp.
But ANYWAY, you propose that I cant debate something I dont respect. I dont see you efforting enough of an explanation as to WHY I cant. Maybe you have a different definition of respect than I do. What if I chose to debate whether people should or shouldn't litter the highways, am I supposed to 'respect' that behavior? lol How about debating if spousal abuse should be considered acceptable, am I supposed to respect THAT behavior?
@DigitalAlpine However the circumstances are different thats true haha cant argue with you there. I guess its more of just a sentimental thing for me seeing as star wars was my childhood and star trek is more recent for me and i shouldnt have brought that into the debate. Truce?
@MisterLesPaul We are only as retarded or clever as our last statement lol I was sentimental about SW also. At the ESB stage, I was full on models and diecasts fan, absolutely LOVED the Falcon. Hell I love the SDs SSDs too. The awe of those ships cannot be denied, nor can the weapons or durability. But it's apples and oranges really., each great in their own environment, but cross-comparing - I'd go with the more recent concepts made by real life humans who have evolved to write better stories.
@DigitalAlpine Perfectly stated. I completely agree. They are both great but and different but pitted against eachother I guess ST really is the clear winner in most aspects.
@UhklySwag whatever wankboy who cant even type the word 'the' without error. Q can eliminate an entire species from existence, and would have no problem getting rid of any of the SW badasses.
@UhklySwag@UhklySwag Consider your attack - you go straight for thinking about dicks and faggots. Sounds like you feel a bit abused and use this as the method to bring others down.
Oh please, a CHILD like what is he, 9yrs old, with a droid, in a small fighter in heavy battle is NOT the same as merely having helm duty on a starship. Wesley was not in command of the ship, there is a huge difference.
Oh please, a CHILD like what is he, 9yrs old, with a droid, in a small fighter in heavy battle is NOT the same as merely having helm duty on a starship. Wesley was not in command of the ship, there is a huge difference.
@DigitalAlpine Yes and like you said an astromech droid which helped a great deal. Not to mention he not only was gifted with the force but was the chosen one. I did not say he was in command I directly stated he was put at the helm but regardless, I only ask you don't say you do not respect Star Wars. I respect both a great deal especially TNG.
@MisterLesPaul I DONT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR STAR WARS. IT WAS LAME AFTER ESB AND NOTHING ELSE ABOUT IT APPEALS TO ME EXCEPT FOR 1 WEAPON ON FETT'S SHIP IN THE ASTEROID FIELD AND THAT SCENE WAS LAME FOR HAVING A CHILD RIDING ALONG. IT WAS MADE STUPID WITH KIDS TO APPEAL TO KIDS - SACRIFICING THE INTEGRITY OF A STORY JUST SO KIDS CAN RELATE TO IT. ULTRA LAME, NO RESPECT!
@DigitalAlpine You cannot debate a topic if you do not have respect for the opposing topic. I disagree and while it is true they did widen their perspective for children it made them alot of money, but regardless the story was still good and especially the fight sequences. The prequals were a mis-step for the series but as long as we are talking about flubs how about "Star Trek: Enterprise" because in mine and the opinions of many it was just terrible.
LMAO Sorry but you aren't an authority on jack shit around here. I really don't know how you can even attempt to tell someone what they can or can't debate based on whether they have a respect for it or not.
As for talking to you, your stupidity just outranked your opinion which means I don't give a shit what u think about any ST series; I truly don't. You may as well just not address any further comment to me.
@DigitalAlpine First of all do not quote something without finishing all relevant parts of the quote. This might be beyond your limited realm of comprehension but I simply stated you cannot properly debate a topic if you do not respect the other side. Name one instance of my stupidity. Everything I stated was fact and I am sure my intelligence far surpasses your inferior mind. its not just what I think. Everyone thinks it. It got cancled.
How about STFU trying to order people around? The original quote is near enough to all parties that we are fully aware of it without having to waste comment space quoting the whole thing.
" Name one instance of my stupidity." You giving orders on more than one occasion like you're some kind of debate police is stupid.
"Everything I stated was fact "
Lie - I can debate without having respect for the other side and do a DAMN fine job of it.
@DigitalAlpine I was not trying to order you around and if it came across that way I apoligize. That is not stupidity at all. You may do so, in my opinion it is not the proper waay to debate and I am sure you can do a fine job. As previously stated however I like them both and have no true bias. I do not want to debate with you. All I must say is for the bad thing in SW there is also one in ST and vise versa.
Maybe you dont realize - Star Wars is a classic battle of good vs evil. Star Trek is NOT about that but about moral concepts like racism, bigotry, sexism, etc, etc and its purpose is not only to entertain, (which is WHY ST appeals more to intellectuals more than SW does.) but to show a futuristic version of the types of problems we deal with in real life on earth, currently and in the past.
@DigitalAlpine I do realize and completely agree. ST is probably my preference now that I am older. 2-3 years ago I would have said otherwise but now what I love about ST is the technology and diplomacy and episodes like the one in TNG "where no man has gone before". The technology is also more realistic and possible as explained in the book I just finished "physics of the imposssible" So I agree with you completely.
@MisterLesPaul yeah Machio makes some good documantaries. I was following on Twitter and Facebook but its too hard to get response from him... I was actually going to tell him something that scientists completely oopsed their theories on. And a few other things scientists will be presenting shortly as Im sure SOMEBODY ran with one of my lengthy submissions. They just recently brought up comments of how UFOs travel thru spacetime in details that I'd mentioned ages ago lol
@MisterLesPaul "my intelligence far surpasses your inferior mind"
Good, why don't you quit with trying to dictate how things are to be done on this comments page and get with making a valid point. Oh wait, you can't. I've seen you try.
Oh well then just go away because I dont respect you. I think you're stupid and I dont see why you should wish to continue a conversation with me. Fuck you and have a nice day.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace with a kid in space battle? LOL omg they can't be serious. I so often forget why I put so little respect in such a series
@DigitalAlpine And how about when in TNG Wesley was put at the helm of a far more expensive Federation ship? Im sure you would reply he was very gifted but so was Anikan so no room to talk there.
Need I explain how? There cannot be explosions in the middle of space. There is no oxygen and this automaticaly shows both of the two were just trying to make good entertainment not completely accurate and the most advanced technology. Star Wars has the Force and Star Trek has the all powerfull being "Q" In Star Trek TNG episode 6 they go beyond the Universe and their thoughts are manifested into reality. Episode 7 there is a brief scene with a laser stopping after several inches.
who gives a shit which is better? I love them both. Star Trek-SciFi. Star Wars Science Fantasy. Different genres. George Lucas said he was young and didnt really think that much about the technology being realistic or better thana anyone elses he just wanted to make a great movie. Part of the reason ST has their technology sp thoruoghly explained is because they have hundreds of hour long episodes to do it. Whether one could beat the other is irrellevant. They are both unrealistic.
easy way for star trek to kill sw ships, have the computer autopilot a shuttle into their hanger bay and overload it's warp engines. sw ships let smaller ships through thier shields (they have to, they are basically aircraft carriers.) Use subspace radio being used to pilot it (a technology the Empire doesn't have.) and they can't jam it.
the reason Star Wars is better than Star Trek (although i love both very much) has nothing to do with the technology in either of them. thats silly talk, really. the story, the characters, the different parts of Star Wars appeal to more people than Star Trek ever could. you ever notice how shitty hand to hand (or sword to sword) fights are in every star trek show? ever notice how amazing most of the light saber fights are in Star Wars? yeah point proven.
@BloodJunkie11 "notice how amazing most of the light saber fights are in Star Wars? yeah point proven."
The only point you proved is that there's better eyecandy which is what SW was all about - visual appeal. That suits children and people who rather see big fast flashy stuff, but for those who want something intellectual, not so much.
@DigitalAlpine INTELLECTUAL?! you mean a bunch of made up technology shit? or the corny philosophical bullshit they spew out in every episode? the whole premise of Star Trek is laughable. a civilization without currency? bullshit unrealistic ideals and crap shot out every episode. yeah im sure thats what most normal people want to watch. your calling sword play big flashy stuff? the darth maul fight in ep 1 with actual trained swordsman? get off your high horse dude.
SW vs ST would be like having a civil war with an large over-populated Indian Reservation vs the town of Eureka. lol ST would hand SW its own ass in so many different ways they'd never develop a plan of defense before ST delivered something brand new for them to figure out.
lol kinda funny the argument has gone on for so long, but warsies are a proud batch of idiots...
The fact SW never has mention of 'frequency' or 'phase' and never do any time travel is because their technology is very primitive by comparison. ST sensors can even detect temporal signatures of alternate timelines; SD sensors could not even detect the Falcon sitting on its own HULL for crying out loud. Really PATHETIC.
That said, SW shields would be useless, ST can use transporters from outside SW weapons range and there'd be nothing they could do to stop them.
@DigitalAlpine In your dreams perhaps. Transporters is probably the most useless item for transportation ever. A freaking electric transformer was even capable of rendering transportation locks impossible. So much for advanced sensors.
Undiscovered Country is the best of the original series, I really mean this, Rath Of Khan is overrated. Having said that, you nerds who want to kill me now, just remember you'll have to buy a real gun, those fazers you have in your rooms aren't real, I know you guy's tend to forget that.
Empire Strikes Back is easily the best of the Star Wars and I think one of the best movies ever made.
@DigitalAlpine Personally I thought Search of Spock was even better then Rath of Khan. Generations was the worst though,make no mistake 5 is horrible but at least that had an interesting plot concept "Search for God."
@alienwaretechguy Just so happens, those two sensor globes are tied into theh weapons targeting systems which would give an added advantage to Star Trek's superior 'real space' maneuverability. Just draw their fire, and have a 2nd ship come smoke both those suckers at once, they'll be hatin life after that. Then draw their fire and creep up underneath and destabilize their reactor casing. Imagine hitting full brunt with phasers AND transporter systems. no more molecular cohesion lol
@alienwaretechguy Nice try but Star Wars lasers are not the same as the kind we know and love in our galaxy. If you do a little research you'd find that out. And trust me that phaser ain't gonna do much to that much Star Destroyer material even if they didnt have shields. Phasers are not brute force weapons like Star Wars uses. You'd need to choose a specific target, cripple its systems, put them at a disadvantage.
Haha. Picard fell for the "let's-be-friends" tactic Khan used on Kirk. Lesson of the day, kids: never raise shields or ready defenses when encountering potential enemies.
@DigitalAlpine I agree. Star Trek seems to be more smooth than Star Wars. IMHO I think who would win a battle between SW and ST would depend on leadership skills. The big captains such as Kirk, Picard, Janeway and Sisko could do some damage if they needed to.
I find it hard to believe that you guys are all fighting over which series is better. The only way this will be resolved is if Lucas and Paramount flipped a coin, and then wrote the movie based on the result.
@lewanuva567 "I find it hard to believe that you guys are all fighting"
There's always debates worthy of participating in, especially if they stretch the limits of the imagination. Religion, politics, paper vs plastic, we're contemplating many outcomes of given variables, (some NOT given so there's often conflicts,) but its all the same. You see 'fight over which one is better' because you're thinking in 2 dimensions. We're actually inspiring each other to think in 4.
@DigitalAlpine My point is that there is no way to effectively or fairly compare the powers and weaknesses of either series to come up with a logical conclusion of which one is better. In an all-out brawl between the two series, there can be no comparison unless the respective copyright holders come to an agreement in real life.
@lewanuva567 That may be your assessment and seems reasonable to you. However, it would be wrong. Want comparison? Hyperdrives are said to take ships into a different realm where they can travel faster than the speed of light. Warp drives do not take ships into a different realm, the ships travel faster than light in normal space. THAT is a comparison, perfectly fair and effective.
Now, if you disagree, fine. Don't participate. Fair enough?
Also, consider the fact that Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant with technology from the future, including generated armor and trans-phasic torpedoes. One torpedo was more than enough to destroy a Borg cube. Also, the weapons systems aboard the Enterprise E are computer-assisted or can be fully automated, whereas Star Destroyers require gunners for every gun. In addition, a Federation Runabout or Shuttle complement could easily take care of any fighter wave the Imperials could throw out.
Now if all of the mentioned future technology were fully integrated into the Enterprise E and her complement, she would be nigh unstoppable.
And you might bring up Star Trek Nemesis. "Why didn't Picard use the technology against Shinzon?"
Quite simply: the ship had not been outfitted yet. Besides, the Enterprise was more of a Consular ship than it was a warship. Therefore, it was probably on the low end of the list. Ships such as the Defiant or the Prometheus would be at the top of the list.
See, ppl see us going on here and knock what we do. It's a sort of verbal hobby of intellect and imagination, as well as tactical strategy exercise for the mind. Some ppl end up bashing others for insulting our intelligence or frustrating us with their inability to grasp a simple concept like 'Q= game over'. It's a fun way to pass time for a bit, also somewhat addictive for fans to indulge in.
@lewanuva567 Some debates flirt with the idea of using different Trek species like Empire vs Borg, but some like to stick to Federation only. In that case, I rely heavily on crew potential, and we know who's got that status. In fact, for fun, who would win ship to ship out of ST series? Picard, Sisco, or Janeway? lol Say they all had the same class Federation vessels. That'd be an interesting convo to toss around for a bit.
SW side would say Empire weapons are so extensively powered that ST shields would never hold up long enough to react. In my mind, that means, worst case - 1 ST ship lost, 2nd ship investigates the missing vessel. Having reported that as the mission, if the 2nd ship is lost, no other ship will come up asking questions, they'd wisely keep their distance. They'd study with long range sensors and keep warp power standing ready... yeah better call long distance, Picard.
@lewanuva567 Now, whatever interaction occurs, subspace would be loaded with transmissions of every sensor reading, pumping as much detail about SW as they can send. Aggressive actions would lead to chase, which would lead to the question why SW ships never appear on sensors at FTL speed. They sort of 'pop in and out of normal space, but never in a manner to intercept ST ships that's go to warp.
Imagine - neither can pursue the other at FTL speed, nor hope to intercept.
@DigitalAlpine But remember, whenever a new travel capability has been discovered, ST has always found a way to adapt to and use it. The is the flexibility of Federation starships.
Empire, not so much. It took them getting their butts pubbled by the rebellion to overhaul their TIE fighters!
But I maintain that having starships that are far more maneuverable than Imperial capital ships, the Federation stands a much better chance at winning. In order to die, you have to stand still and get hit.
@lewanuva567 Very true, if they ever got sensor readings from a separate spacial realm, they'd technobabble their way into it in the same episode lol
Also noted the SD design is made to attack forward/sides. The bridge windows designed for the best view of the action. Naturally, you'd want to attack from the rear/bottom. The most crippling targets are right there for the taking: engines, sensor globes, and underneath, a big bubble sticking out just begging to be popped.
@lewanuva567 Unlikely. That armor is most likely a few meters thick and would most likely require dozens of quantum/trans-phasic torpedoes to penetrate that (if we assume that star wars armor is as strong as the Federation's standard ship armor), if not even more.
@onlypeaceindeath Then how was it that only a concussion missiles were all it took to kill a Star Destroyer's reactor in the Return of the Jedi movie script novelization?
Now, consider this:
Borg ships are lined many meters thick by alblative plating and other high-strength metals. ONE Trans-phasic torpedo was able to destroy an entire Borg cubeship. And cubeships are, on average, far more massive than a Star Destroyer.
@lewanuva567 And why do you think that trans-phasic torpedoes pass through armor instead of punching through? And I suggest you observe the difference between Borg Cube armor and a Star Destroyer's armor. The former's armor is leaf-thin whilst the latters are meter thick. There is no reason to believe that a trans-phasic torpedo would even pass through imperial shields in the first place.
@onlypeaceindeath Transphasic torpedoes have multiple detonation components. Each component of the detonation operates on different phases of matter and corporeal states. In other words, the torpedo's detonation passes THROUGH armor directly into the superstructure of the target vessel. Electro-particle force shields only block one component of the detonation.
Also, have you ever seen the actual size of a cube? It is SEVERAL times the size of a Galxay-class Federation cruiser.
@onlypeaceindeath A Galaxy-class is 650 meters long, 463 meters wide, and 195 meters tall. When shown up against a Borg cube in the episodes the Best of Both Worlds, the cube was many, MANY times taller than the Enterprise D. And the armor is not leaf-thin as you claim. The outer deck areas are actually reinforced to with stand repeated assault, and are able to regenerate lost armor. It took several standard torpedo and phaser blasts to destroy a cube by targeting one spot in First Contact.
@lewanuva567 You can see how thin it is when you see it up close. Not like the armor belts on a Star Destroyer which are probably around 2 meter thick. A Cube wouldn't stand a chance against a Star Destroyer, even if we ignore the big guns they have
@lewanuva567 Yet, trans-phasic torpedoes, from Voyager, a ship barely 345 meters long, were able to swiftly and easily destroy several Borg cubes. Combined with the fact that Federation shields can be reconfigured to be far more effective against Star Wars' Tibanna gas turbolasers, the Federation has the upper hand.
@lewanuva567 Memory-Alpha states that it only uses these pulses to penetrate shields. And that's from a novel, which is non-canon, or semi-canon as far as I know. So show me that these torpedoes would penetrate a star destroyer's armour. And a Borg Cube is pathetically weak. It only required one 200 meter long Species 8472 bio-ship to destroy one cube by ramming it. Borg Cubes only true protection are their shields, and once those fail they are relatively easy to destroy.
@onlypeaceindeath Wrong. Novels and the like have to be approved by Paramount and CBS before publishing. IE, they are canon, just not licensed, meaning they only get the Star Trek name on the cover. Nothing more. Anything the author writes is considered canon.
And the reason starfighter pilots complain about capital ships is because they carry a limited projectile arsenal. Bombers are both a different class and story. Bombers carry weapons that penetrate ship shield and inflict MASSIVE damage.
@lewanuva567 Says who? Last I've heard they are not canon. They are just checked to keep a feel of continuity, or that's what i've heard. Wikipedia does also say that books are non-canon for Star Trek.
And about SW fighters vs capital ships- "the deflector shield is to strong"! There were dozens of fighters with dozens of torpedoes each and they where all firing on the same area of the ship and didn't do anything.
@onlypeaceindeath Also, you failed to comprehend the article. It says that shields can only block ONE subcomponent of the torpedo. Meaning that shields are USELESS. SW shields are useless against projectile weapons anyway, except for particle shielding, which will only block one component of the torpedo. The pulse is actually an artificial compression anomaly, which shrinks affected parts of the ship and tears the ship to pieces, INCLUDING ARMOR.
@lewanuva567 The article says nothing about transphasic torpedoes shrinking the affected area. Are you just inventing stuff or what, or am I blind? Besides, since it is a form of technology it must have limits. Piercing Borg "armour" is one thing, piercing meter thick solid armour platings are another.
@onlypeaceindeath "Besides, since it is a form of technology it must have limits...Piercing Borg "armour" is one thing"
lol its like trying to talk to an imbecile!! Why do we even bother? He's stuck with only a basic understanding of primitive SW tech, and clearly can't get a grasp of the more sophisticated and complex ST tech.
@DigitalAlpine All technologies have limits, strengths and weaknesses. If i'm an imbecile for realizing that, then you must be stone dead since your wouldn't have the brain power to be capable of breathing.
@onlypeaceindeath whatever you say, you're the one on here yappin without knowing wtf you're talking about, and you do it repeatedly.
"All technologies have limits"
Maybe in your mind which you've proven is quite limited. You actually say "pass through the shields and not the armour" without having the SLIGHTEST fucking clue as to how.
But lets just allow the idiot to participate in a conversation even if he rambles on with hardly a grasp of the concepts he's arguing about... lol dumbass
@DigitalAlpine You're still alive? I guess zombies do exist. Show me that the torpedoes do pass through the armour then instead of just smashing right through. For all we know they just have enough power to pierce the shields but not the armour.
@onlypeaceindeath I love how Wiki doesnt have much of a list for SW weapons but quite an extensive list for ST weapons, which is clear enough evidence that SW has very limited tech, and ST tech has expanded so far beyond 'basic' that they have a vast variety of weapons for any occasion.
Funny tho, ST doesnt need a standard weapon, just have the computer pinpoint a target's coordinates manually, and have transporters dematerialize huge chunks of whatever is there.
That little tactic will get by any ECM because they don't NEED sensors, or a transporter lock. They don't even need accurate coordinates since a SD is so big. All they gotta do is keep beaming chunks of that ship away until something critical loses molecular stability (preferably that main reactor casing) and that's all she wrote.
Kinda takes all the fun out of battle when they can do that from outside of SW weapons range but SW has ITS advantages, too. Just none to ensure they win. lol
@DigitalAlpine No, it shows that Star Wars know how to continue weapons research. What you call "limited tech" has been improved and refined enough to be used by both infantry, tanks and even moon sized battlestations. If the Federation actually bothered more with the same technology theyt might have had weapons that were actually good. For fuck sakes, phasers can experience deadly feedback pulses when used against magnesium carbonate.
what an idiotic idea. So by your logic humanity should just 'bother' with gun powder until we can make something big enough to destroy a planet LOL No, we alter chemistry, detonation devices, and delivery systems, to get better results with less resources. Only an idiot would continue with the enormous power requirements SW uses. Look at 8472, they can kill a planet far more efficiently without the need of a moon-size battle station!
@DigitalAlpine As long as a technology works and is worth advancing then yes, it's a good idea. And considering that Star Wars don't have any problem with those power requirements shows how advance they are. Brute force have alot of advantages over tricks. What if it had been a planetary shield above that planet. The beam would have been useless pretty much the same way as it would have been to light a forest fire with a match if its raining.
"As long as a technology works" So for transportation from point A to point B -if SW doesn't have transporters, then by your logic, its because shuttles are more advanced? Nice try, but seriously, your argument doesn't even make sense, which isn't surprising, since u still need sum1 to explain the 'pass thru shields/armor' concept to you.
Honestly you're not worth anyone's time. The information is on the web, look it up yourself.
@DigitalAlpine Obviously you have a screw lose. As long as you can achieve you goals effectively with a certain technology it's not necessary to start a research of a new technology. Star Wars is a perfect example. They don't need a hundred or a thousand special devices to be dangerous, they have all they need. Blasters for ground combat, lasers for anti-fighter combat and poin-defences, turbolasers for ship-to-ship combat and planetary bombardment, and ion cannons for disabling ships.
@onlypeaceindeath "As long as you can achieve you goals effectively"
Didn't save the Death Star, did it? Wait, there were TWO Death Stars, packing all the technology you claim keeps them so secure and even with overwhelming amounts of resources, they still got their asses handed to them. Why? Because all that firepower and shields didn't mean shit. They were STILL vulnerable and had weaknesses that were exploited by the underdogs. LOL
Great idea but the animation and mixing the Destroyer and Enterprises along with lasers and phasers looked absolute shit :/
theemrpoint123 1 month ago
Guys I am more of a star trek fan but I honestly think the star destroyer would win. The Enterprise-E is designed for exploration and a star destroyer is made for combat. That doesn't mean star wars is better then star trek though. I like both (star trek more) but seriously judge things on story and not ship capabilities.
Parolth 1 month ago
@Parolth Not really a matter of design, its a matter of technology, and if by chance they know ahead of time that they're going in to battle (like say Troi gives them a warning) then the Enterprise could easily keep her distance and out maneuver anything thrown at them. Meanwhile, they can take all week to discuss how to proceed lol Cant kill what we can't catch, and in normal space, Trek is many times faster. Be like trying to kill a hummingbird with a baseball bat lol
DigitalAlpine 1 month ago
@Parolth Enterprise-E was built to kill Borg, actually.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
This is what Generations should have been. (not literally but the way Kirk and Picard meet here is way better then in that shitty movie).
southparkfan2717 1 month ago
STOP ARGUING AND ENJOY THE VIDEO, PEOPLE!
MrImastinker 2 months ago
@MrImastinker lol there's a video?
DigitalAlpine 1 month ago
16 miles of pure imperial awsomness
TheJasonm10 2 months ago
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carrotsRgood4you 3 months ago
what episode of star trek with Picard is that from?
muirheadR 3 months ago
@muirheadR not episode it's movie lets see all the ones with Picard is star trek 8 first contact and star trek 10 nemesis. the one with kirk is star trek 6 the undiscovered country... please tell me the time of the one your asking and i'll tell you :-)
bryanwolfie 3 months ago
what episode of star trek is that from?
muirheadR 3 months ago
being both and star trek and star wars fan, one could argue that since star wars exists in another space and time the technology and physics operate differently than in star trek which is based on our physics and space/time. which would make comparing star trek to star wars completely irrelivent. even if it is fun to imagine what would happen if those two worlds ever met each other.
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan someone has done a full star trek v star wars without the likes of data ect. the one i'm talking about is a 4 part fan made with normal people staring in it but i forget the name of it lol
bryanwolfie 3 months ago
@stanfordsan "star wars exists in another space and time"
Actually, its not another space and time, its the same, only in different areas of space, different point on the timeline. Hyperspace isn't the same though; it was made up as a solution to getting around the physics of faster than light travel. Star Trek uses actual physics theory, not some 'magic realm' to cheat their way past the speed of light. The concept is sound enough though if you actually read up on it.
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
@DigitalAlpine same universe maybe, but a whole other galaxy entirely. you never see anyone in star wars mention the milky way galaxy do you? how is anyone to know how space/time and physics can work in another galaxy, it could be exatcly the same, or it could give us the abliity to make lightsabers
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan "how is anyone to know how space/time and physics can work in another galaxy"
Because they never suggest their galaxy has different physics, so when unmentioned, everything defaults to what is known by the audience. Just like what is known about humans here should apply unless specified otherwise. They eat, sleep, breath, etc, and we automatically assume they take a piss when necessary.
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
@DigitalAlpine or.... George Lucas put it all in another space and time so when ever anyone finds any plot holes, or inconsistencies he can just say; " different physics, or an alien technology so advanced we could never dream of making the thing for real." comes in handy when you write yourself into a corner and need a way around it.
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan Since I didnt read or hear that from Lucas himself, I won't accept that theory as reason. But let's say that's so. There is no logic in presenting a movie that doesn't portray different physics while expecting the audience may assume such a thing when we have no reason to without recognizing that it's so or being told. So bottom line is, one could argue the physics are different, but only if they had such limited integrity that they'd try to bullshit their way around explanation.
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
@DigitalAlpine then explain how a lightsaber works, how is the beam of light able to just stop with no visible means of containing it?
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan LMAO It's already been discussed many times, as well as the question of why something hot enough to melt thru almost anything isn't burning the person using it. For someone with an education, there IS an explanation for it.. but for u, we'll just say, "it's magic".
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
@DigitalAlpine education? if you were educated you would be actually debating with me, and not trying to throw insults at me like a preschooler. reminds me of Ron White in his debate club; "oh yeah, well f*** you!"
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan Only you aren't debating, you're trying to prove the possibility of possibility. Also, kind of hard to 'debate' with someone who hasn't anything to bring to the table. Why don't you go back to the kiddie table and play there, instead? As for insulting you? This isn't an official debate forum, its youtube. Fans way more passionate than myself have been here and done the exact same thing, or worse. So save your 'pitty me' attitude for someone who gives a shit.
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
@DigitalAlpine whatever you have to tell yourself to make you feel all big inside. besides, i did bring facts, if you watch any movie george lucas makes, you can see he likes to cut corners and do things the easy way.(the new Indianna Jones movie is a good example, can't believe Spielberg directed that piece of crap) most of star wars is based off roman history and stories. the whole plot with emperor palpatine, and gaining control of the republic was modeled after Julias Cesar
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan "whatever you have to tell yourself to make you feel all big inside."
That's all you're doing, face it. You present the '1 could argue' comment based on a possibility with no evidence supporting your theory, and ignoring every bit of evidence I submit from the movie, and the unmistakable logic.
So you keep telling yourself, "you cant deny the possibility" which no, I can't prove he didnt, but I've already proven your concept would be stupid when there's no reason to.
#FAIL
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
@DigitalAlpine except my original comment was about how comparing star trek to star wars is pointless because they they are two very different things, yet some how my opinion of star wars seemed to shove a rod up your tight ass. now i understand that you need to have the last word otherwise you realize just how tiny your balls are. so enjoy your reign as king of the youtube comments.
stanfordsan 3 months ago
@stanfordsan "even if it is fun to imagine what would happen if those two worlds ever met each other."
So you already understood it could be fun for people to debate this, and the only thing left was me telling u what you can do with your theory of "why comparing star trek to star wars completely irrelivent".
As for your opinion, you'd first need that validated before I gave a shit about it. lol
'Last Word' card? Well played, I guess. hahah Your childish games dont work, kid.
DigitalAlpine 3 months ago
lol, fucking smoke another one ya crackheads...
theRealBadguy 3 months ago
the scele for ship in Star Wars is 5-1. 5 is the slow. 2 the fastest avalilble to genrale puplic. Millitary and criminal is 1 and and below.
kcrforce1 4 months ago
STAR TREK STAR TREK in your face you star wars lover
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MusicVidio1000 4 months ago
the isd would easy could destroy one of the ships in star trek the empire would have no problems 100% chance for empire to win
daniellisnermeicker 4 months ago
@daniellisnermeicker
No thats not true. Piccard have a very good Chance to destroy the Ship. Because the Empire have only Phasers but not so strong Phasers like the Enterprise. And the Empire have no shields so the Ship is destroyed bevor they can say. Help
ToVoful 4 months ago
@ToVoful are u kidding me. where did you hear that no sheilds, phasers
Starkiller22475 4 months ago
@ToVoful Dude, The Empire still used turbo lasers which is hundreds of years behind TNG tech. Hyper Drive is only Warp 1 and Warp 9.9 is hundreds of times faster than that. The shields in SW were also way weaker too.
stalkingalizee 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee "Hyper Drive is only Warp 1"
Hyper Drive is merely the means of escaping normal space and entering hyperspace. I've never known anyone to argue that the drive itself even acts as a means of propulsion. Without the realm of hyperspace, who knows what the thing would do?
so yeah - hyperspace 'tech' is only good because of the fictional realm its used in. If hyperspace existed in ST, then Trek ships would be just as fast. SW fans won't bring that up in debates tho...
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Han Solo says how fast his hyperdrive can go at ".5 past light speed. Light speed is only Warp 1 so the MF can only go like Warp 1.1. Hyper Drive is merely the means of breaking light speed the same as a Warp Drive, it a rudimentary Warp Drive I suppose. I don't know the mechanics of it as it is fictional anyway.
stalkingalizee 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee
When activated, the hyperdrive shunts the starship into this other dimension, where it can cover vast distances in an amount of time greatly reduced from the time it would take in "real" space. Once it reaches the point in hyperspace that corresponds to its destination in real space, it re-emerges. Usually, hyperdrive refers to a method of travel in which it takes a measurable amount of time to go from one point to another.
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee See, I been debating this stuff with a lot of people for a long time, some far far longer than myself, and I look things up to make sure I have at least some idea of wtf Im talking about. I check stuff others say before I give credit to what they say, and make damn sure I have a source for what I say myself.
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Do you deny Solo said it? It is in the movie and well known that Warp 1 is light and Warp 2 is several times more than that which makes that technology obsolete to the Star Trek universe. Apparently you don't check enough if you don't know what Han said.
stalkingalizee 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee
lol thats so cute! Hold on while I giggle for a moment...
No, really! That is so funny!! You suggest I deny something and then tell me I don't check enough if I dont know!
Its no even a matter of whether he said but a matter of what is meant by it. .5 is not a reference to a fraction of velocity. I mean, from what you say, "Light speed is only Warp 1 so the MF can only go like Warp 1.1" you don't have a clue what he's even talking about! hahaha
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@DigitalAlpine How old are you, 10? So let me learn you something, .5 is a fraction past light speed. It means the Falcon's top speed is 1.5 light speed which translates to about 1.1 on a Warp chart. You don't have a clue... lmao
stalkingalizee 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee "It means the Falcon's top speed is 1.5 light speed"
You argue an interpretation - what YOU think it means. I'll stand by the most overwhelming evidence that can POSSIBLY be presenedt: 1.5 times the speed of light will not get anyone from point A to Point B fast enough for your interpretation to be correct.
Our small galaxy is 100,000 light years across. Even at 10x light speed, its 10,000 YEARS. I suggest u get a calculator and figure out why your interpretation doesn't work.
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee
The nearest star is over 4 light years away. That means at Warp 1, you got 4+ YEARS worth of travel time on your hand. Even if the Falcon goes 10x faster, you wouldn't hear Solo say "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other." because he could possibly LIVE long enough to do that. Even with Voyager hauling ass, they were looking at 75 yrs to cross 70,000 light-years? Im guessing u dont do math much...
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Solo said he made the Kessel run in under 6 parsecs. He used it as a unit of time instead of distance so I wouldn't really trust what his measurements are. Lucas didn't go to near the trouble Roddenberry did to get simple facts straight. That is why I like Star Trek better. I do see what you are saying but then there is no real measurement for the Hyper Drive speed to compare to Warp drive.
stalkingalizee 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee Well movies and TV shows are meant to be enjoyed, not scrutinized to make sure every single detail is perfect and correct. If u debate long enough, you'll hear Star Wars fans who have an answer for the 'parsecs' statement. It actually coincides with why u can't really debate warp drive vs hyper drive. That's because hyperspace is not the same realm and the same method of traveling distance does not apply.
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee When they plan a trip thru hyperspace, a Nav computer has to account for every stellar body's current location as well as it's location throughout the duration of the trip. Think of it like the game Frogger. Shortest distance is straight across but there's traffic - like stellar bodies - that you'll encounter along the way. U can take 3 quick jumps to move ahead of a car before crossing or 1 step in the other direction and cross behind the car...
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee also, if your 'frog' jumps fast enough, u can take shortcuts that a slower frog can't because he would have to wait for bigger gaps in the traffic. That's sort of how Hyperspace works - if your ship is really fast, u have a better choice of routes and are able to reach your locations by traveling much shorter distances.
Not sure this is the concept they had in mind when the script was written but it certainly applies. I'd write that just to make people question the mistake.
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
@daniellisnermeicker Maybe you don't realize the very slow Star Wars ship speeds in normal space. The only time they are very fast is when they transfer to the realm of hyperspace. Star Trek ships have warp speed in normal space, so while Star Wars could maybe have strength on attack, they don't have much ability to shoot something that isn't moving slowly.
Meanwhile, the only prayer Star Wars has is the stupid claims of the fans about SW deflector shields which we already know is false.
DigitalAlpine 4 months ago
it' s from star trek nemesis, and star war 6
Izebra5 4 months ago
ISD lasers can't penetrate multiphasic shields!
mfg4102 4 months ago
0:14 WE ARE BEING PROBED....0:21 BUM SCREEN
SeiKawaii 4 months ago
Good job, lol good ending too, althought still woudl have rather have Vader kick ass.
EdgarNobleWolf 5 months ago
I don't think Darth Vader would be on an "Innocent Course".
OperationLegacyShow 5 months ago
When Picard says "Fire at Will" does he mean Riker or Wheaton?
dadahdee 5 months ago
I would say that this was poorly made. I have saw others that were more interesting and more produced and filming correctly.
trin23 6 months ago in playlist STAR TREK & THE KLINGON EMPIRE
Ahh the bananna in the tail pipe. Bane of all Star Wars super things ,since the beginning.
MrKellG 6 months ago
you can tell some trekkie made it
friis09 6 months ago
Dat vos testosterone fuelled.
vimana19 6 months ago
Vader shoulda said, when he had Picard by the balls: "Your powers are weak old man."
hulkmeister23 6 months ago
Man! Vader's so badass Picard and Kirk had to team up again!
MrImastinker 6 months ago
good shit right here.
buffyslayer30 6 months ago
looks like somone dosn't know how to everlap video and soud afects
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MrStrontipis 7 months ago
the little ugly Enterprise can't destroy Imperial Stardestroyer or any other ship
The Force is with us
MrBENJO333 7 months ago 2
@MrBENJO333 what ever u say, fantasy boy. Your magic wont help you breathe when you get beamed into outerspace.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
From 2 diff sources:
"MGLT/hour = 100 meters/second"
"1 MGLT is approximately equal to 1 meter per second."
SW ships go from 60 for an SD to 110 for Tie Interceptor.
Meter per Second = 2.24 Miles per Hour. (online converter)
MemoryAlpha: "According to Jo'Bril in the episode "Suspicions" the shuttles aboard the Enterprise-D had a maximum impulse velocity of approximately 2.5% of light speed – (approximately 12,400,000 miles per hour)."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but need I say more?
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine and ISD can go a LOT faster than 60m/s...
tarkinfish 5 months ago
@tarkinfish " ISD can go a LOT faster than 60m/s..." In normal space? Really? How fast are they?
DigitalAlpine 5 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Oh no lol! Excuse me, but I mistook your 2.5% for 2.5 TIMES (2.5*) and drew from that that we were discussing hyperspace/light drives... Galactic Civil War hyperdrives are many times faster than Trek ones though :). Sub-light, the ISD still has to be faster than that. Just take the first scene of episode IV. A 1600 metre Destroyer passes the camera's view in roughly 11 seconds (between front of underside and back of underside)(which on a ship shaped as such must exceed its full
tarkinfish 5 months ago
@DigitalAlpine length...) This means that... Well, you do the math. Definitely faster than 60m/s, if only by a little. This shuttle... It's fast, I'll give you that... I don't suppose gravity-wells would inhibit that movement seeing as it's sublight? Because, if so, even an Immobiliser-418 would finish it in seconds.
tarkinfish 5 months ago
@tarkinfish " Immobiliser-418 would finish it in seconds."
Everyone LOVES bringing the Interdictor in but nobody likes to comment how long it takes to charge the projector, and then how long does it take it to generate the gravity well, much less how inconvenient it is to try to move one.
Also, I was told they operate by tricking hyperspace safeties into thinking there's a planet or sumthing and THAT is what prevents hyperspace travel, NOT that hyperdrives physically cant operate near them.
DigitalAlpine 5 months ago
Oh, and BTW, could you imagine if the Enterprise can do a 180 and go to warp in like 3 seconds - its GONE, then imagine what kind of maneuvers it would do once they dump the saucer section, which they've done at warp.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
This is too one sided. A SD is larger but the Enterprise E should have very good shields and weaponry. Plus is seems to be more agile.
Thor13332 7 months ago
But ANYWAY, you propose that I cant debate something I dont respect. I dont see you efforting enough of an explanation as to WHY I cant. Maybe you have a different definition of respect than I do. What if I chose to debate whether people should or shouldn't litter the highways, am I supposed to 'respect' that behavior? lol How about debating if spousal abuse should be considered acceptable, am I supposed to respect THAT behavior?
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine However the circumstances are different thats true haha cant argue with you there. I guess its more of just a sentimental thing for me seeing as star wars was my childhood and star trek is more recent for me and i shouldnt have brought that into the debate. Truce?
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@MisterLesPaul We are only as retarded or clever as our last statement lol I was sentimental about SW also. At the ESB stage, I was full on models and diecasts fan, absolutely LOVED the Falcon. Hell I love the SDs SSDs too. The awe of those ships cannot be denied, nor can the weapons or durability. But it's apples and oranges really., each great in their own environment, but cross-comparing - I'd go with the more recent concepts made by real life humans who have evolved to write better stories.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Perfectly stated. I completely agree. They are both great but and different but pitted against eachother I guess ST really is the clear winner in most aspects.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
Fake and Gay, Darth Vader all he needs to do is crush that ship with hes bare hands u think he would loose?, star trek is no match for TEH FORCE
Trust in teh force my young grasshopper..
UhklySwag 7 months ago
@UhklySwag whatever wankboy who cant even type the word 'the' without error. Q can eliminate an entire species from existence, and would have no problem getting rid of any of the SW badasses.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Coming from the Nerdy ass fagget lmao Go play with your friends dick lmfao
UhklySwag 7 months ago
@UhklySwag @UhklySwag Consider your attack - you go straight for thinking about dicks and faggots. Sounds like you feel a bit abused and use this as the method to bring others down.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
Oh please, a CHILD like what is he, 9yrs old, with a droid, in a small fighter in heavy battle is NOT the same as merely having helm duty on a starship. Wesley was not in command of the ship, there is a huge difference.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
Oh please, a CHILD like what is he, 9yrs old, with a droid, in a small fighter in heavy battle is NOT the same as merely having helm duty on a starship. Wesley was not in command of the ship, there is a huge difference.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Yes and like you said an astromech droid which helped a great deal. Not to mention he not only was gifted with the force but was the chosen one. I did not say he was in command I directly stated he was put at the helm but regardless, I only ask you don't say you do not respect Star Wars. I respect both a great deal especially TNG.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@MisterLesPaul I DONT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR STAR WARS. IT WAS LAME AFTER ESB AND NOTHING ELSE ABOUT IT APPEALS TO ME EXCEPT FOR 1 WEAPON ON FETT'S SHIP IN THE ASTEROID FIELD AND THAT SCENE WAS LAME FOR HAVING A CHILD RIDING ALONG. IT WAS MADE STUPID WITH KIDS TO APPEAL TO KIDS - SACRIFICING THE INTEGRITY OF A STORY JUST SO KIDS CAN RELATE TO IT. ULTRA LAME, NO RESPECT!
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine You cannot debate a topic if you do not have respect for the opposing topic. I disagree and while it is true they did widen their perspective for children it made them alot of money, but regardless the story was still good and especially the fight sequences. The prequals were a mis-step for the series but as long as we are talking about flubs how about "Star Trek: Enterprise" because in mine and the opinions of many it was just terrible.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@MisterLesPaul " You cannot debate a topic"
LMAO Sorry but you aren't an authority on jack shit around here. I really don't know how you can even attempt to tell someone what they can or can't debate based on whether they have a respect for it or not.
As for talking to you, your stupidity just outranked your opinion which means I don't give a shit what u think about any ST series; I truly don't. You may as well just not address any further comment to me.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine First of all do not quote something without finishing all relevant parts of the quote. This might be beyond your limited realm of comprehension but I simply stated you cannot properly debate a topic if you do not respect the other side. Name one instance of my stupidity. Everything I stated was fact and I am sure my intelligence far surpasses your inferior mind. its not just what I think. Everyone thinks it. It got cancled.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@MisterLesPaul " First of all do not quote something"
How about STFU trying to order people around? The original quote is near enough to all parties that we are fully aware of it without having to waste comment space quoting the whole thing.
" Name one instance of my stupidity." You giving orders on more than one occasion like you're some kind of debate police is stupid.
"Everything I stated was fact "
Lie - I can debate without having respect for the other side and do a DAMN fine job of it.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine I was not trying to order you around and if it came across that way I apoligize. That is not stupidity at all. You may do so, in my opinion it is not the proper waay to debate and I am sure you can do a fine job. As previously stated however I like them both and have no true bias. I do not want to debate with you. All I must say is for the bad thing in SW there is also one in ST and vise versa.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@MisterLesPaul
Maybe you dont realize - Star Wars is a classic battle of good vs evil. Star Trek is NOT about that but about moral concepts like racism, bigotry, sexism, etc, etc and its purpose is not only to entertain, (which is WHY ST appeals more to intellectuals more than SW does.) but to show a futuristic version of the types of problems we deal with in real life on earth, currently and in the past.
So, NOW how's the comparison look?
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine I do realize and completely agree. ST is probably my preference now that I am older. 2-3 years ago I would have said otherwise but now what I love about ST is the technology and diplomacy and episodes like the one in TNG "where no man has gone before". The technology is also more realistic and possible as explained in the book I just finished "physics of the imposssible" So I agree with you completely.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine oh and physics of the impossible is a real book by muchio kaku
not sarcasm
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
@MisterLesPaul yeah Machio makes some good documantaries. I was following on Twitter and Facebook but its too hard to get response from him... I was actually going to tell him something that scientists completely oopsed their theories on. And a few other things scientists will be presenting shortly as Im sure SOMEBODY ran with one of my lengthy submissions. They just recently brought up comments of how UFOs travel thru spacetime in details that I'd mentioned ages ago lol
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
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@MisterLesPaul "my intelligence far surpasses your inferior mind"
Good, why don't you quit with trying to dictate how things are to be done on this comments page and get with making a valid point. Oh wait, you can't. I've seen you try.
Oh well then just go away because I dont respect you. I think you're stupid and I dont see why you should wish to continue a conversation with me. Fuck you and have a nice day.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace with a kid in space battle? LOL omg they can't be serious. I so often forget why I put so little respect in such a series
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine And how about when in TNG Wesley was put at the helm of a far more expensive Federation ship? Im sure you would reply he was very gifted but so was Anikan so no room to talk there.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
Need I explain how? There cannot be explosions in the middle of space. There is no oxygen and this automaticaly shows both of the two were just trying to make good entertainment not completely accurate and the most advanced technology. Star Wars has the Force and Star Trek has the all powerfull being "Q" In Star Trek TNG episode 6 they go beyond the Universe and their thoughts are manifested into reality. Episode 7 there is a brief scene with a laser stopping after several inches.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
who gives a shit which is better? I love them both. Star Trek-SciFi. Star Wars Science Fantasy. Different genres. George Lucas said he was young and didnt really think that much about the technology being realistic or better thana anyone elses he just wanted to make a great movie. Part of the reason ST has their technology sp thoruoghly explained is because they have hundreds of hour long episodes to do it. Whether one could beat the other is irrellevant. They are both unrealistic.
MisterLesPaul 7 months ago
easy way for star trek to kill sw ships, have the computer autopilot a shuttle into their hanger bay and overload it's warp engines. sw ships let smaller ships through thier shields (they have to, they are basically aircraft carriers.) Use subspace radio being used to pilot it (a technology the Empire doesn't have.) and they can't jam it.
TheUnknowable2 7 months ago
the scimitar would crush any imperial ship
WhiteTiger1607 7 months ago
STAR TREK WIN BECAUSE IS BETTER THAN STAR WARS
RPD49 7 months ago
I love this, and when the graphics look messed up it's even funnier! Noooo, captain kirk comes to save the day ahhhh. Great video!
jaymorpheus11 7 months ago
star trek sucks all they talk about is science and just talk about nonsense and it doesnt have as much action as star wars
navi1007 7 months ago
Enterprise and Enterprise?
BMWM3GTRLOVER 8 months ago
the reason Star Wars is better than Star Trek (although i love both very much) has nothing to do with the technology in either of them. thats silly talk, really. the story, the characters, the different parts of Star Wars appeal to more people than Star Trek ever could. you ever notice how shitty hand to hand (or sword to sword) fights are in every star trek show? ever notice how amazing most of the light saber fights are in Star Wars? yeah point proven.
BloodJunkie11 8 months ago
@BloodJunkie11 "notice how amazing most of the light saber fights are in Star Wars? yeah point proven."
The only point you proved is that there's better eyecandy which is what SW was all about - visual appeal. That suits children and people who rather see big fast flashy stuff, but for those who want something intellectual, not so much.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine INTELLECTUAL?! you mean a bunch of made up technology shit? or the corny philosophical bullshit they spew out in every episode? the whole premise of Star Trek is laughable. a civilization without currency? bullshit unrealistic ideals and crap shot out every episode. yeah im sure thats what most normal people want to watch. your calling sword play big flashy stuff? the darth maul fight in ep 1 with actual trained swordsman? get off your high horse dude.
BloodJunkie11 8 months ago
@BloodJunkie11 Dont need to get your panty bunched up just because somebody doesn't agree with you lol
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine lol agreed. sorry bout that.
BloodJunkie11 7 months ago
SW vs ST would be like having a civil war with an large over-populated Indian Reservation vs the town of Eureka. lol ST would hand SW its own ass in so many different ways they'd never develop a plan of defense before ST delivered something brand new for them to figure out.
lol kinda funny the argument has gone on for so long, but warsies are a proud batch of idiots...
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
The fact SW never has mention of 'frequency' or 'phase' and never do any time travel is because their technology is very primitive by comparison. ST sensors can even detect temporal signatures of alternate timelines; SD sensors could not even detect the Falcon sitting on its own HULL for crying out loud. Really PATHETIC.
That said, SW shields would be useless, ST can use transporters from outside SW weapons range and there'd be nothing they could do to stop them.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine In your dreams perhaps. Transporters is probably the most useless item for transportation ever. A freaking electric transformer was even capable of rendering transportation locks impossible. So much for advanced sensors.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
I like the editing, i mean they tried... but there is NO PLOT... it just a random battle that makes no sense....
mineofilms 8 months ago
Undiscovered Country is the best of the original series, I really mean this, Rath Of Khan is overrated. Having said that, you nerds who want to kill me now, just remember you'll have to buy a real gun, those fazers you have in your rooms aren't real, I know you guy's tend to forget that.
Empire Strikes Back is easily the best of the Star Wars and I think one of the best movies ever made.
southparkfan2717 8 months ago
@southparkfan2717 "Undiscovered Country is the best of the original series"
Watching it now ad agree! Kickass movie, I see the other Borg Queen and Tuvok actors hehe
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Personally I thought Search of Spock was even better then Rath of Khan. Generations was the worst though,make no mistake 5 is horrible but at least that had an interesting plot concept "Search for God."
southparkfan2717 8 months ago
@alienwaretechguy Just so happens, those two sensor globes are tied into theh weapons targeting systems which would give an added advantage to Star Trek's superior 'real space' maneuverability. Just draw their fire, and have a 2nd ship come smoke both those suckers at once, they'll be hatin life after that. Then draw their fire and creep up underneath and destabilize their reactor casing. Imagine hitting full brunt with phasers AND transporter systems. no more molecular cohesion lol
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@alienwaretechguy Nice try but Star Wars lasers are not the same as the kind we know and love in our galaxy. If you do a little research you'd find that out. And trust me that phaser ain't gonna do much to that much Star Destroyer material even if they didnt have shields. Phasers are not brute force weapons like Star Wars uses. You'd need to choose a specific target, cripple its systems, put them at a disadvantage.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
At 5:20 i laughed out loud.
photon72 8 months ago
Haha. Picard fell for the "let's-be-friends" tactic Khan used on Kirk. Lesson of the day, kids: never raise shields or ready defenses when encountering potential enemies.
crazy88boss 8 months ago
Oh fuck this Empire battleship is battle :)
Dackster1994 8 months ago
@Perion No, but nobody would write a tech manual that has lower specs than the tech manuals of rival series or movies.
Gordontrek 8 months ago
Oh and Data could beat an Imperial Droid into oblivion. Shoot, he could take out a whole army of them.
Gordontrek 9 months ago
@DigitalAlpine I agree. Star Trek seems to be more smooth than Star Wars. IMHO I think who would win a battle between SW and ST would depend on leadership skills. The big captains such as Kirk, Picard, Janeway and Sisko could do some damage if they needed to.
Gordontrek 9 months ago
I find it hard to believe that you guys are all fighting over which series is better. The only way this will be resolved is if Lucas and Paramount flipped a coin, and then wrote the movie based on the result.
lewanuva567 9 months ago
@lewanuva567 "I find it hard to believe that you guys are all fighting"
There's always debates worthy of participating in, especially if they stretch the limits of the imagination. Religion, politics, paper vs plastic, we're contemplating many outcomes of given variables, (some NOT given so there's often conflicts,) but its all the same. You see 'fight over which one is better' because you're thinking in 2 dimensions. We're actually inspiring each other to think in 4.
DigitalAlpine 9 months ago
@DigitalAlpine My point is that there is no way to effectively or fairly compare the powers and weaknesses of either series to come up with a logical conclusion of which one is better. In an all-out brawl between the two series, there can be no comparison unless the respective copyright holders come to an agreement in real life.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 That may be your assessment and seems reasonable to you. However, it would be wrong. Want comparison? Hyperdrives are said to take ships into a different realm where they can travel faster than the speed of light. Warp drives do not take ships into a different realm, the ships travel faster than light in normal space. THAT is a comparison, perfectly fair and effective.
Now, if you disagree, fine. Don't participate. Fair enough?
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Granted. But, consider this:
The size of the average Imperial Star Destroyer is 1600 meters, and they are quite literally lumbering behemoths.
The size of the Enterprise E? 600 meters, and quite nimble.
Star Destroyers are ray-shielded (effective against lasers) and carry no missiles, being armed only with lasers and a fighter complement.
Star Trek vessels are force-shielded (particle and radiation AND light), and are equipped with particle acceleration weapons. Now who wins?
lewanuva567 8 months ago
Also, consider the fact that Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant with technology from the future, including generated armor and trans-phasic torpedoes. One torpedo was more than enough to destroy a Borg cube. Also, the weapons systems aboard the Enterprise E are computer-assisted or can be fully automated, whereas Star Destroyers require gunners for every gun. In addition, a Federation Runabout or Shuttle complement could easily take care of any fighter wave the Imperials could throw out.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
Now if all of the mentioned future technology were fully integrated into the Enterprise E and her complement, she would be nigh unstoppable.
And you might bring up Star Trek Nemesis. "Why didn't Picard use the technology against Shinzon?"
Quite simply: the ship had not been outfitted yet. Besides, the Enterprise was more of a Consular ship than it was a warship. Therefore, it was probably on the low end of the list. Ships such as the Defiant or the Prometheus would be at the top of the list.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 "Granted. But, consider this...."
THATS better. A fair and effective comparison.
See, ppl see us going on here and knock what we do. It's a sort of verbal hobby of intellect and imagination, as well as tactical strategy exercise for the mind. Some ppl end up bashing others for insulting our intelligence or frustrating us with their inability to grasp a simple concept like 'Q= game over'. It's a fun way to pass time for a bit, also somewhat addictive for fans to indulge in.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Some debates flirt with the idea of using different Trek species like Empire vs Borg, but some like to stick to Federation only. In that case, I rely heavily on crew potential, and we know who's got that status. In fact, for fun, who would win ship to ship out of ST series? Picard, Sisco, or Janeway? lol Say they all had the same class Federation vessels. That'd be an interesting convo to toss around for a bit.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 "Now who wins?"
SW side would say Empire weapons are so extensively powered that ST shields would never hold up long enough to react. In my mind, that means, worst case - 1 ST ship lost, 2nd ship investigates the missing vessel. Having reported that as the mission, if the 2nd ship is lost, no other ship will come up asking questions, they'd wisely keep their distance. They'd study with long range sensors and keep warp power standing ready... yeah better call long distance, Picard.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Now, whatever interaction occurs, subspace would be loaded with transmissions of every sensor reading, pumping as much detail about SW as they can send. Aggressive actions would lead to chase, which would lead to the question why SW ships never appear on sensors at FTL speed. They sort of 'pop in and out of normal space, but never in a manner to intercept ST ships that's go to warp.
Imagine - neither can pursue the other at FTL speed, nor hope to intercept.
NOW who wins?
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine But remember, whenever a new travel capability has been discovered, ST has always found a way to adapt to and use it. The is the flexibility of Federation starships.
Empire, not so much. It took them getting their butts pubbled by the rebellion to overhaul their TIE fighters!
But I maintain that having starships that are far more maneuverable than Imperial capital ships, the Federation stands a much better chance at winning. In order to die, you have to stand still and get hit.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Very true, if they ever got sensor readings from a separate spacial realm, they'd technobabble their way into it in the same episode lol
Also noted the SD design is made to attack forward/sides. The bridge windows designed for the best view of the action. Naturally, you'd want to attack from the rear/bottom. The most crippling targets are right there for the taking: engines, sensor globes, and underneath, a big bubble sticking out just begging to be popped.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Ummm. That bubble is the hypermatter reactor. One quantum or even trans-phasic torpedo and kABLOOOIEE!!!
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Unlikely. That armor is most likely a few meters thick and would most likely require dozens of quantum/trans-phasic torpedoes to penetrate that (if we assume that star wars armor is as strong as the Federation's standard ship armor), if not even more.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath Then how was it that only a concussion missiles were all it took to kill a Star Destroyer's reactor in the Return of the Jedi movie script novelization?
Now, consider this:
Borg ships are lined many meters thick by alblative plating and other high-strength metals. ONE Trans-phasic torpedo was able to destroy an entire Borg cubeship. And cubeships are, on average, far more massive than a Star Destroyer.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 And why do you think that trans-phasic torpedoes pass through armor instead of punching through? And I suggest you observe the difference between Borg Cube armor and a Star Destroyer's armor. The former's armor is leaf-thin whilst the latters are meter thick. There is no reason to believe that a trans-phasic torpedo would even pass through imperial shields in the first place.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath Transphasic torpedoes have multiple detonation components. Each component of the detonation operates on different phases of matter and corporeal states. In other words, the torpedo's detonation passes THROUGH armor directly into the superstructure of the target vessel. Electro-particle force shields only block one component of the detonation.
Also, have you ever seen the actual size of a cube? It is SEVERAL times the size of a Galxay-class Federation cruiser.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath A Galaxy-class is 650 meters long, 463 meters wide, and 195 meters tall. When shown up against a Borg cube in the episodes the Best of Both Worlds, the cube was many, MANY times taller than the Enterprise D. And the armor is not leaf-thin as you claim. The outer deck areas are actually reinforced to with stand repeated assault, and are able to regenerate lost armor. It took several standard torpedo and phaser blasts to destroy a cube by targeting one spot in First Contact.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 You can see how thin it is when you see it up close. Not like the armor belts on a Star Destroyer which are probably around 2 meter thick. A Cube wouldn't stand a chance against a Star Destroyer, even if we ignore the big guns they have
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Yet, trans-phasic torpedoes, from Voyager, a ship barely 345 meters long, were able to swiftly and easily destroy several Borg cubes. Combined with the fact that Federation shields can be reconfigured to be far more effective against Star Wars' Tibanna gas turbolasers, the Federation has the upper hand.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Memory-Alpha states that it only uses these pulses to penetrate shields. And that's from a novel, which is non-canon, or semi-canon as far as I know. So show me that these torpedoes would penetrate a star destroyer's armour. And a Borg Cube is pathetically weak. It only required one 200 meter long Species 8472 bio-ship to destroy one cube by ramming it. Borg Cubes only true protection are their shields, and once those fail they are relatively easy to destroy.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath Wrong. Novels and the like have to be approved by Paramount and CBS before publishing. IE, they are canon, just not licensed, meaning they only get the Star Trek name on the cover. Nothing more. Anything the author writes is considered canon.
And the reason starfighter pilots complain about capital ships is because they carry a limited projectile arsenal. Bombers are both a different class and story. Bombers carry weapons that penetrate ship shield and inflict MASSIVE damage.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 Says who? Last I've heard they are not canon. They are just checked to keep a feel of continuity, or that's what i've heard. Wikipedia does also say that books are non-canon for Star Trek.
And about SW fighters vs capital ships- "the deflector shield is to strong"! There were dozens of fighters with dozens of torpedoes each and they where all firing on the same area of the ship and didn't do anything.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath Also, you failed to comprehend the article. It says that shields can only block ONE subcomponent of the torpedo. Meaning that shields are USELESS. SW shields are useless against projectile weapons anyway, except for particle shielding, which will only block one component of the torpedo. The pulse is actually an artificial compression anomaly, which shrinks affected parts of the ship and tears the ship to pieces, INCLUDING ARMOR.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
@lewanuva567 The article says nothing about transphasic torpedoes shrinking the affected area. Are you just inventing stuff or what, or am I blind? Besides, since it is a form of technology it must have limits. Piercing Borg "armour" is one thing, piercing meter thick solid armour platings are another.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath Again you yap yap without knowing wtf you're talking about.
"capable of rendering transportation locks impossible"
You don't NEED transporter lock; Thats part of the safety protocols that ensure safe transport of objects or people.
"...shrinking the affected area." transphasic torps: "It is based on generating a destructive subspace compression pulse."
"subspace compression anomaly ...miniaturizes objects that enter its accretion disk."
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Still non-canon, and the source says that it's use to pass through the shields and not the armour.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath "Besides, since it is a form of technology it must have limits...Piercing Borg "armour" is one thing"
lol its like trying to talk to an imbecile!! Why do we even bother? He's stuck with only a basic understanding of primitive SW tech, and clearly can't get a grasp of the more sophisticated and complex ST tech.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine All technologies have limits, strengths and weaknesses. If i'm an imbecile for realizing that, then you must be stone dead since your wouldn't have the brain power to be capable of breathing.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath whatever you say, you're the one on here yappin without knowing wtf you're talking about, and you do it repeatedly.
"All technologies have limits"
Maybe in your mind which you've proven is quite limited. You actually say "pass through the shields and not the armour" without having the SLIGHTEST fucking clue as to how.
But lets just allow the idiot to participate in a conversation even if he rambles on with hardly a grasp of the concepts he's arguing about... lol dumbass
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine You're still alive? I guess zombies do exist. Show me that the torpedoes do pass through the armour then instead of just smashing right through. For all we know they just have enough power to pierce the shields but not the armour.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath I love how Wiki doesnt have much of a list for SW weapons but quite an extensive list for ST weapons, which is clear enough evidence that SW has very limited tech, and ST tech has expanded so far beyond 'basic' that they have a vast variety of weapons for any occasion.
Funny tho, ST doesnt need a standard weapon, just have the computer pinpoint a target's coordinates manually, and have transporters dematerialize huge chunks of whatever is there.
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
That little tactic will get by any ECM because they don't NEED sensors, or a transporter lock. They don't even need accurate coordinates since a SD is so big. All they gotta do is keep beaming chunks of that ship away until something critical loses molecular stability (preferably that main reactor casing) and that's all she wrote.
Kinda takes all the fun out of battle when they can do that from outside of SW weapons range but SW has ITS advantages, too. Just none to ensure they win. lol
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine No, it shows that Star Wars know how to continue weapons research. What you call "limited tech" has been improved and refined enough to be used by both infantry, tanks and even moon sized battlestations. If the Federation actually bothered more with the same technology theyt might have had weapons that were actually good. For fuck sakes, phasers can experience deadly feedback pulses when used against magnesium carbonate.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath
"bothered more with the same technology"
what an idiotic idea. So by your logic humanity should just 'bother' with gun powder until we can make something big enough to destroy a planet LOL No, we alter chemistry, detonation devices, and delivery systems, to get better results with less resources. Only an idiot would continue with the enormous power requirements SW uses. Look at 8472, they can kill a planet far more efficiently without the need of a moon-size battle station!
DigitalAlpine 8 months ago
@DigitalAlpine As long as a technology works and is worth advancing then yes, it's a good idea. And considering that Star Wars don't have any problem with those power requirements shows how advance they are. Brute force have alot of advantages over tricks. What if it had been a planetary shield above that planet. The beam would have been useless pretty much the same way as it would have been to light a forest fire with a match if its raining.
onlypeaceindeath 8 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath
"As long as a technology works" So for transportation from point A to point B -if SW doesn't have transporters, then by your logic, its because shuttles are more advanced? Nice try, but seriously, your argument doesn't even make sense, which isn't surprising, since u still need sum1 to explain the 'pass thru shields/armor' concept to you.
Honestly you're not worth anyone's time. The information is on the web, look it up yourself.
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago
@DigitalAlpine Obviously you have a screw lose. As long as you can achieve you goals effectively with a certain technology it's not necessary to start a research of a new technology. Star Wars is a perfect example. They don't need a hundred or a thousand special devices to be dangerous, they have all they need. Blasters for ground combat, lasers for anti-fighter combat and poin-defences, turbolasers for ship-to-ship combat and planetary bombardment, and ion cannons for disabling ships.
onlypeaceindeath 7 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath "As long as you can achieve you goals effectively"
Didn't save the Death Star, did it? Wait, there were TWO Death Stars, packing all the technology you claim keeps them so secure and even with overwhelming amounts of resources, they still got their asses handed to them. Why? Because all that firepower and shields didn't mean shit. They were STILL vulnerable and had weaknesses that were exploited by the underdogs. LOL
#LOSER
DigitalAlpine 7 months ago