Japanese Whaling 2011-2012. Greenpeace inaccuracies. Sea Shepherd action.

[bparno]

The international whaling commission is responsible for this tragedy, how can they allow this to go on? They could use the funding to train these whalers to become farmers. Who are they kidding, there are alway's alternatives.

[Muziify]

I personally am not a fan of green peace because they did not say that sea shepherd drove them out. He did not tell the media that sea shepherd is the main cause behind the whole lowering their catch!!

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 9 of 9

What I find incomprehensible and totally indefensible is the continued exploitation of animals, any animals, mainly for the whims of the fashion industry or so called traditional medicine, or cultural rights, the exponential growth of meat consumption or even worse, despicable ‘trophy hunting’.

Will we ever shake off the shackles of insanity?

[tomatodamashi]

@mettasutta67 Part 1

I appreciate the well thought out response. But you missed my argument, and here's why. First off, where did you get the 90% figure? It is so hard to measure sea life. As for wild animals, we fish all the time. I guess you've never had salmon. As for fish farms, those fish need other fish for food which are also caught.

[tomatodamashi]

@mettasutta67 Part 2

As for the J. whale hunt, they overwhelmingly hunt minke whale which is considered a "Least Concern" species. So unless you equate all whales equally, which would be ridiculous-you must admit that you are only viewing this from your cultural bias. As for the other reductions in biodiversity that you mentioned, I would completely agree with you. Some of which is done to provide land for cattle farming (rainforest depletion). So where are the anti-beef protests?

[tomatodamashi]

@mettasutta67 Part 3

As for the fashion industry. Typically fur comes from mink farms...I thought you were against hunting "wild animals"-we breed mink for their fur-what is so wrong about that? We kill cows for leather, it seems strange that hairy animal skin is so bad, but leathery skin is A-OK. Another case of people eating their hypocrite pie.

As long as the Japanese, Norwegians, Inuits, etc do responsible whale hunting, I could care less.

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 8 of 9

even the Ivory trade is still thriving and they are just the glamorous species. And now Sharks are being plundered in their millions, just for a bowl of tasteless soup, and they’ve been around 400 million years. For that they deserve admiration, not decimation. Habitat destruction unfortunately wipes out species across all biomes. The sooner we realise that Homo sapiens do not own the domain of planet Earth, the better off the rest of life on Earth will be.

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 7 of 9

External to this grotesque economic system that puts zero value on Mother Nature, services carried out by all ecosystems, in every biome, in the one priceless biosphere that ALL life has to live.

Yet even in the last fifty years a huge number of animals have perished at the hands of humanity, other Tigers, Lions, Leopards, 90% of the largest fish, Tibetan Antelope, all kinds of Bears, Elephants, Hippos, Turtles, Pangolins,

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 6 of 9

The impacts are accelerating humanity at an alarming pace to a point of uninhabitable ghastliness. And yet the majority are wallowing in a self-imposed denial when all of the consequences of this sadistic exploitation and violence are rapidly charging the dominant culture to self-annihilation.

But the deluded fantasies of limitless growth, production and consumption, completely conceals the destructive damage that are externalities.

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 5 of 9

They are all extinct, gone forever. It is shameful that we can be so reckless, so ignorant of the interconnectedness and interdependence of all life on Earth. It is an absolute tragedy that the majority are so indifferent to the 200 species going extinct every day, mostly through habitat destruction and utterly unsustainable avarice.

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 4 of 9

What happened to the billions of Passenger Pigeons, almost as many Eskimo Curlews, the millions of Great Auks, the Stellars Sea Cow, the Thylacine, the Pink Footed Bandicoot, the Caspian, Balinese and Javanese Tigers, and recently the Yangtze River Dolphin, the unfortunate Dodo and thousands of other birds and species?

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 3 of 9

who have the evolutionary right to exist in their environment.

The gap in nature is colossal, tragically, and that is just in the last 500 years. In those years, humans have been responsible for the biggest slaughter of animals in a miniscule snippet of geological time, and in all of biological life, not through necessity, but through the pure greed of a minority. How many species are no longer with us, other than stuffed specimens in museums?

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 2 of 9

Whales have been hunted mercilessly over the last 200 years or so. When any species has plummeted by 90%, 95%,96% or 99% surely we have a moral duty to protect the numbers that do remain, and help them to recover. Failing to do so is a damning indictment of our species, of our cultures, arrogance and indifference, and an utter betrayal of future generations, who won’t have the joy of witnessing the intelligence and majesty of other animals,

[mettasutta67]

@tomatodamashi Part 1 of 9

There is a monumental difference between cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and whales...the whales are wild animals, the rest are domesticated animals and yes your right they are mostly treated disgracefully in intensive farming. That has to be confronted too, as it’s an inefficient way of producing food, wasting far too much water, using too much land and grains. Grains which should be feeding people directly NOT livestock and vehicles (biofuels).

[velloso27]

ok, but Japan is reconstructed

[Monster2munch]

"The catch then plummeted down to 800 and was as low as 450 last year after they basically left the Southern Ocean early" - Greenpeace, feel free to say Thank You to the Sea Shepherd Organisation.

[tomatodamashi]

Doesn't anyone find it ironic that greenpeace is so against the hunt of mostly minke whales (which are considered least concern-the same as cows), and yet are okay with the slaughter of cows and chickens. I'm sorry but this is just a case of cultural absolutism, meaning 'MY culture says it's wrong, so everyone else MUST believe the same as me, or they're wrong too'. I'm sorry, but how can you ignore the slaughter of farm animals on one hand and blame the whale hunt on the other?

[InfidelUniversity]

@tomatodamashi are you stupid or just retarted

[tomatodamashi]

@InfidelUniversity

Neither. You know when someone doesn't have a cogent argument or enough braincells to rub together, that's when all they can dish out is a lame character assassination or insult. "Haha you're retarted" Well at least I can spell. The fact of the matter is, if the argument is "these animals are endangered" I say, look up the facts, minke whale is labelled "Least concern" point blown. "they are intelligent" Pigs are quite intelligent.

[InfidelUniversity]

@tomatodamashi  so pig=whale, cow=whale , then human=whale....hmmmm more humans than all sea mammals combined.....nice so then we can kill humans to save whales right??? .......sooooo telrrrr me, u tink bout eating wwwhhhhale penis awrot?

[tomatodamashi]

@InfidelUniversity

what are you talking about? You're argument is ridiculous. All Im saying is that what we eat is cultural. If Indians ruled the world, they would say no one should eat cows. If Jews ran the world, they would ban pork. This is very far removed from advocating cannibalism. You can't look past your own cultural feeling of superiority.

Your last sentence was completely unintelligible, so I can't respond to that.

[tomatodamashi]

@InfidelUniversity cont'd

All you have is my culture says it's wrong, and I won't accept another cultures opinion. I guess you should hope that when India become a superpower, they won't try to force the rest of the world to abandon beef production. Of course, if that happened, I sure would enjoy the irony.

[DTofMN]

The whale sanctuary has no relation to the Antarctic Treaty. It was established by the International Whaling Commission and they violated their own regulations when they established it. Also, as allowed by the IWC regulations, the Japanese objected to the sanctuary and therefore are not required to abide by it.

[djsnvonsdkvn]

@DTofMN So true. The Japanese research whaling is legal, conducted within the very protocol of IWC. If one is not happy about that, they should try to change the regulations of the IWC. Whether you see it as a loophole or a legitimate right doesn't matter.

[mettasutta67]

@berenisse1000. Your comment is a sweeping statement and not true of the absolute majority of Japanese citizens who are very kind and polite people. It is the less than 1% who are pulling the greed strings and abuse power. All of us must rise up against those who are destroying biodiversity.

[berenisse1000]

@mettasutta67 ALL OF THEM EAT WHALES ,DOLPHINS AND ALIVE OCTUPUS ETC......ARE THEY KIND AND POLITE?? REALLY??? THEY MAY BE WITH PEOPLE.. BUT NOT WITH NATURE NOR ANIMALS....

[tomatodamashi]

@berenisse1000

And how does your culture treat cows, pigs, chickens, etc. Not very politely I imagine. What a silly argument you are making. How do you feel about killing kangaroos? Australians kill them all the time. I guess Australians are impolite to kangaroos. As for nature, many countries are raping the rain forests to provide room for cattle.

Finally, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. ALL OF THEM dont eat whales, etc

Cultures in glass houses...

[tomatodamashi]

@berenisse1000

I can't find ur last comment here but I found it incredibly racist. First off, you condemn all Japanese b/c a few eat and hunt whales. U value whale life more than human life and I find that disgusting. Poor Africans hunt gorilla b/c they have no other option but to eat them. I wish the world was different.

Humans are omnivores, most ppl eat meat. As I said, minke whales are safe to hunt. Yeah most ppl arent like me, b/c they cant see past their own cultures' biases

[Stopthegreed]

I also love how they talk with Greenpeace then show Sea Shepherd in the footage.

[Stopthegreed]

Wow that Greenpeace campaigner cant be very busy these days. At least hes getting paid loads for sitting on his butt.He must be over the moon

[GreenpeaceCleveland]

@Stopthegreed They do more than just sit arround.

[Stopthegreed]

@GreenpeaceCleveland Id love to hear what they are doing to stop the Whaling this year..oh thats right Greenpeace is working in Japan now. Tell that to all those people in Taiji who never see a single Greenpeace member there. It must be to far for them to drive huh.How about the larges slaughter of baby Marine mammals in the world off the coast of Canada..Never see a single Greenpeace member. Dont talk about Climate change if you cant fix the small things like Whaling.

[Stopthegreed]

@GreenpeaceCleveland Greenpeace have been running the Antony Hopkins TV ad in NZ almost every year asking for people to donate money to Greenpeace to stop Whaling in Antarctica. Saying.."Greenpeace are on the front lines this year" And showing footage from 6 years ago. I guess Greenpeaces front line must be on the couch drinking a beer. You can watch the ad here if you type.. Antony Hopkins Whaling......Really disgraceful to ask people for money like that and do bugger all

[djsnvonsdkvn]

Breakdown of 443 whales caught in research whaling in 2011: 172 in Antarctic, 194 in offshore NW Pacific, 17 & 60 each in Spring and Autumn coastal NW Pacific.

[djsnvonsdkvn]

It's amusing to see two anti-whaling organizations fight each other... Keep Calm and Carry On!

But in this video, Greenpeace representative is quite right about the numbers. He is talking about the total numbers caught in Antarctic and NW Pacific (coastal & offshore). It's not Greenpeace inaccuracies... it's your ignorance.

[Walfangmeister]

Whaling: Tsunami funds, law suit, and Sea Shepherd's pilot - the truth

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