It's sad that Architects went comepletely the other direction. I loved there older stuff. So much. These guys are still keeping there roots and thats what most bands should do. I loved Nightmares of the Ocean, I havn't heard this song though, this is good.
Reminds me more of protest the hero, number 12 and sikth.
And Few bands do this kind of tech style, also the bassist on this video KILLS (x99999) ali dino. And architects sucks actually, really generic and overrated.
@bealechenze How are they an Architects rip off? They're so much more technical than Architects ever were. Is it just cause the video is similar to 'Always'? or because the vocalists at times can resemble Sam Carter...? :S
@bealechenze They are not an architects rip off band dude! Those vocals are similar, yes, but that's about it. Architects is no where near as chaotic as these guys.
Besides, architects don't even have the same sound anymore. The new shit blows.
I did not like this band, because her have two singers. This, somehow, take out our reference vocal. Even though this band has singers with distinct voices.
@moket123 My point was that Sikth have been around, in one form or another, since 1999. If its taken Twelve years to get from there to 'The Arusha Accord' (Pft) then someones not trying hard enough.... In my opinion of course.
@danrocks1981 Yeah, I see your point and mildly agree, I slightly mis-read your first comment. But there are quite a few new progressive Sikth-y bands out there, Aliases being one of them - /watch?v=cMF41D8h1kE Obviously it's not the same without Mikee Goodman and Justin Hill, but it's close enough for my liking.
Vocally they sound like a better version of the band "Haste" which I used to listen to back in the day.. Musically like "Architects".. Very talented band though I'm not a huge fan of clean vocals in my metal...
don't care for 2 vocalists. not bad though we'll have to see what the rest of the album brings so far i'm on the fence lol. at this point i'd rather just listen to the dillinger escape plan.
Its not to bad, but I always get the feeling these new bands are trying to "cover something up". If you listen to meshuggah its kinda scaled down, they dare to have som "space" in their music. Thats what makes REAL groove.
@staindstairway7 Yes because what the bassist is wearing determines one's ability to like a band and they music they make. You ignorant little cunt, just enjoy the music and who cares what the fuck a member is wearing.
@Dissimulatex seriously? it's fucking faggots like you that have to start shit on youtube for no reason. i'm not putting the band down, just hate the shirt. that's all. who are you to call me a cunt you fucking pansy. it's not like it takes balls to say it to someone over the fucking internet. drop dead tough guy.
@staindstairway7 My comment had nothing to do with being a tough guy, and anyone can have the balls to type on a keyboard, learn to read. I could care less what anyone thinks on here, so you're not even justified. I was saying your statement of losing respect for a talented band because of a t-shirt in a music video basically means if I'm looking for attention, you are too.
@rickyvangooberblat Hello mate, just to let you know we have NOT split up. We're currently writing album number 2 but have taken a break from shows until its done.
@1stdoublekill Hello mate, just to let you know we have NOT split up. We're currently writing album number 2 but have taken a break from shows until its done
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 Lol have you been living under a rock? The Arusha Accord has been around before djent got "big". And good, don't listen to them then. Go listen to your Periphery.
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 dude this band is incredible. Its a shame they broke up :/ Which is news to me. This band is better than 90% of the other crap that's being put out today.
the sound like the architects mixed with fei comodo. this band has a really good sound. i love how you can finally hear some bass! and im diggin the simplicity of the video(: these guys are goin places!
There aren't a hundred other bands that sound like this already... oh wait. Btw if you can't be more creative then to play behind white... don't make a fuckin video. Ugly ass name too.
I wish i knew why people were freaking out over this bassist :/ like hes playing slap and stuff but ive seen lots of bassists play similar stuff, just not as conssistantly
such a sick song!! its a fair bit like architects though...start is like early grave, then goes a bit mental after that like to the death, and the video is like always
@TtotheRob13 again, learn your british tech history :D they may sound similar to architects as they have the similar influences but arusha do it alot better ahah.
@paulloveslyd again, architects released ruin before arusha released this album, so arusha sounds exactly like architects bro. you failed to read what i said.
@TtotheRob13 no they didn't. i was a fan from the nightmares days when they had their old singer and back then it sounded incredible, then ruins came out and wasn't great and then hollow crown was better. the new one is so shit. this song is better than anything architects ever released. tech metal's evolved since back then, it sounds dated now. this is how architects would have sounded if they haden't got shit.
lawl Lil wayne shirt.
reaperinred11 17 hours ago
hmmm... finally a replacement for Sikth!?!
sousskamo 2 weeks ago 3
Was I the only one that was thinking...don't ruin it with singing...don't ruin it with singing...FUCK.
xkalibx 2 weeks ago
@xkalibx yes.
derry6564 1 week ago
Tool eye :D 0:30
ineedmoretool 1 month ago
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ineedmoretool 1 month ago
I WOULD LOVE THIS SONG MORE IF MY CAT STOPPED LICKING HIS BUTTHOLE. IT'S SO LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS
Lawrbear 1 month ago
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JNT315 1 month ago
loveeeee this baand jus cuz my name is Arusha!!!!
Risky0713 2 months ago
@Risky0713
Your name's genuinely Arusha, whuut? That's an awesome name!
MrWiggerdale123 2 weeks ago
@MrWiggerdale123 yup, my birth name is Arusha!!!!! :p
Risky0713 2 weeks ago
kind of reminds me of Protest the Hero, except this isn't fucking gay
jmrocker 2 months ago
@jmrocker And PTH is?! Choke on a dick and die
MintyCheesecak 1 month ago 9
@MintyCheesecak I thought you were dissing PtH! XD
MyNameIsChaseThomas 2 weeks ago
@jmrocker You are the gayest piece of shit on the internet.
FiNNziDuploFilms 1 month ago
Anyone heard of Daughters? Their second album 'Hell Songs' pisses all over this, and Sikth, and Dillinger Escape Plan and pretty much everyone else.
mudhut10 2 months ago
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REMIAKRO 2 months ago
While Architects is following a new path which isn't attracting me..
These guys continue their style, and me like! :)
BvdLNL 2 months ago 7
@BvdLNL
It's sad that Architects went comepletely the other direction. I loved there older stuff. So much. These guys are still keeping there roots and thats what most bands should do. I loved Nightmares of the Ocean, I havn't heard this song though, this is good.
sirbuster223 1 month ago
@BvdLNL Gotta take it back though, their new song Devil's Island is going a big step back to their roots, so there is hope :)
BvdLNL 1 month ago
@BvdLNL amen
fi0re1991 2 weeks ago
They are trying to be as good as the musicians from Blotted Science...but sadly this is impossible.
affajojo 2 months ago
slap da bass!!
panosroumee1316 2 months ago
fuck !!! where can i download this !? Anybody ?!
markpriss 3 months ago
They have this perfect blend of incredible skill and rawness that I love in music like this. And that bassist is a fucking BOSS
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TomeeeeeyPandora 3 months ago
heard this done better, by SikTh, this is still ok though
grindthegears 3 months ago
@grindthegears sikth is very good stuff but the arusha accord keeps you interested in each song for longer imo
primochap 2 months ago
Beasty ^_^
SeizeTheDayfoREVer 3 months ago
@tomey pandora
Well obviously the video is the same. But that's not the main thing. Many a bands have done this style.
Its mainly the music. The guitar work is very similar and sounds like the identical sound of the ruin album.
I actually thought it was architects when mate linked me to the vid
bealechenze 3 months ago
@bealechenze
Reminds me more of protest the hero, number 12 and sikth.
And Few bands do this kind of tech style, also the bassist on this video KILLS (x99999) ali dino. And architects sucks actually, really generic and overrated.
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dogsdrinkpiss 3 months ago
sick music, but biggest architects rip off, honestly don't know how they get away with it
bealechenze 3 months ago
@bealechenze How are they an Architects rip off? They're so much more technical than Architects ever were. Is it just cause the video is similar to 'Always'? or because the vocalists at times can resemble Sam Carter...? :S
TomeeeeeyPandora 3 months ago
@bealechenze They are not an architects rip off band dude! Those vocals are similar, yes, but that's about it. Architects is no where near as chaotic as these guys.
Besides, architects don't even have the same sound anymore. The new shit blows.
summitthescale 3 months ago
@bealechenze Have you listened to Architects latest album? Are you a fan of cocaine?
wakayoda 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for The Arusha Accord
Damn why didn't I think of bass slap metal!!!!!!
RQBassist 3 months ago
Number 12 Looks Like You 2.0, in my opinion. :D
HeWhoAbides2011 4 months ago
I liked their EP better, this is just too aggresive where as the EP was more about the riffs and epic sections
MrNicetomeetya 4 months ago
70 people have their thumbs in their asses.
AlexKalicinski 4 months ago
totally thought this was someone else and was like "woah! their sound has CHANGED!" XD
averyhuotari 4 months ago
These guys are fucking great.
TheEnigmaticForm11 4 months ago
Why there's a Oliver Sykes video in the suggested at the right?
MyopaticDisease 4 months ago
What's the point in having two vocalists that sound EXACTLY the same.
BLJUKS 4 months ago
@BLJUKS whats the point in posting shitty comments noone gives a shit bout??
whatsoever absolutely great song and im not even into math!
hookeins 4 months ago
@BLJUKS one vocalist does the highs, one does the lows, the one singer is also slightly lower, that's why they sing together, harmonizing.
TraceofHatred 4 months ago in playlist TraceofHatred's Favorited Videos
would have been nice without the clean vocals...
DarkFacet 4 months ago
seen them live........the bassist is a monster
BeNJaMiN2050 5 months ago
@BeNJaMiN2050 yeah he was doing press ups before he came out when i saw him, hes fucking huge
steveo27969 4 months ago
magi e chalgarka !!!
n0retreat 5 months ago
Me Gusta
DEQR 5 months ago
bleed from within tshirt XD
pramudeatha 5 months ago
Haters gonna hate.. but it won't stop this song kicking ass.
xxxserialxxx 5 months ago
Praise Vishnu! A real bassist!
XxConiumxX 5 months ago
I did not like this band, because her have two singers. This, somehow, take out our reference vocal. Even though this band has singers with distinct voices.
vinteumemeio1 5 months ago
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hea1901 5 months ago
That dude sounds like sam carter!
GRIFFIN0392 5 months ago
The Arusha Accordion
Jimmybob2804 5 months ago
love it, proper hardcore screams
Fir3Dir3 5 months ago
they should make more unique bands like this one :(
MrHIMlover 5 months ago
Slap Bass Metal is Badass !!!!!! That one beast of a bassist :L
RQBassist 5 months ago
At first I was like wow this shit is awesome.
But then when the clean singing came i was like NNNNOOOOOOOOOO! Song awesomeness -70% :(
Oranqi 5 months ago
@Oranqi why the singing is great.......actually the screams are good but they could use some work.
IGNsucks 5 months ago
@Oranqi Oh wow for the whole 10 seconds they sing? Get over it.
Dissimulatex 5 months ago
@Oranqi what the fuck? you dont like singing? just all screaming all the time? wow
animefreakdill 5 months ago
@animefreakdill I like clean singing, if its good. That is not. Imo this song would have been better without the clean vocals.
Oranqi 5 months ago
@Oranqi Your opinion is wrong.
Kaizen9001 5 months ago
@Kaizen9001 Your opinion is right.. :)
xxxserialxxx 5 months ago
@animefreakdill bands with cleans are soooo generic they all sounds like miss may i or adtr
iHateSinceForever 5 months ago
@iHateSinceForever
Wrong, Miss May I and ADTR sound like THEM, talent comes before popularity
HxCandGore 4 months ago
Who gave Jesus a bass
ImProcrasturbating 5 months ago
Nice. It has this Architects vibe.
FragmentSnake 6 months ago
Nobody has pushed this genre since SikTh.
danrocks1981 6 months ago
@danrocks1981 Are you kidding me? There's plenty of bands out there like Sikth. Just check out Aliases. They even have Sikth's old guitarist
moket123 6 months ago
@moket123 My point was that Sikth have been around, in one form or another, since 1999. If its taken Twelve years to get from there to 'The Arusha Accord' (Pft) then someones not trying hard enough.... In my opinion of course.
danrocks1981 5 months ago
@danrocks1981 Yeah, I see your point and mildly agree, I slightly mis-read your first comment. But there are quite a few new progressive Sikth-y bands out there, Aliases being one of them - /watch?v=cMF41D8h1kE Obviously it's not the same without Mikee Goodman and Justin Hill, but it's close enough for my liking.
moket123 5 months ago
to me,the thumbnail picture looks like daniel radcliffe screaming
opto1890 6 months ago
mmm i little like number 12. very nice
CommonMansCollapse 6 months ago
First thing on my mind: Architects 2.0, really. Especially the beginning reminds me of Early Grave alot.
Vegedaggi 6 months ago
listen to the rest of the album !
scottyburry 6 months ago
Vocally they sound like a better version of the band "Haste" which I used to listen to back in the day.. Musically like "Architects".. Very talented band though I'm not a huge fan of clean vocals in my metal...
TheJonMullins 6 months ago
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Renegade66666 6 months ago
don't care for 2 vocalists. not bad though we'll have to see what the rest of the album brings so far i'm on the fence lol. at this point i'd rather just listen to the dillinger escape plan.
yanihuminsu 6 months ago
i wish people would leave Susan Boyle alone .. she's a good looking fellow
MrZoggswax1 6 months ago
love youtube fights
Chaloopify 6 months ago
THIS IS EVIL
2dayVpray 6 months ago
/watch?v=hwySpkqByHQ
EilithyaBand 6 months ago
His thumbs power level...It's over 9000!
SeanathenII 6 months ago 16
Its not to bad, but I always get the feeling these new bands are trying to "cover something up". If you listen to meshuggah its kinda scaled down, they dare to have som "space" in their music. Thats what makes REAL groove.
Greggah 6 months ago
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove.
katehorrorzombiegore 6 months ago
AWESOME
NNCC435 6 months ago
One of the vocalists sounds like Sam Carter off Ruin and the other one sounds like Sam Carter off Hollow Crown haha
DrewFarmie2 6 months ago 38
@staindstairway7 Hey dude its a 'A Textbook Tragedy' t-shirt actually... not that it matters.
ThePaulArusha 7 months ago
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ThePaulArusha 7 months ago
EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY BASS
AlexKalicinski 7 months ago
the bassist is wearing a lil wayne t-shirt, lost respect for this band now.
staindstairway7 7 months ago
@staindstairway7 HAH
IAmThunderMusic 7 months ago
@staindstairway7 I think you mean guitarist.
Milanoir 7 months ago
@Milanoir guitarist, bassist, whatever. lil wayne is still awful.
staindstairway7 7 months ago
@staindstairway7 Yes because what the bassist is wearing determines one's ability to like a band and they music they make. You ignorant little cunt, just enjoy the music and who cares what the fuck a member is wearing.
Dissimulatex 7 months ago
@Dissimulatex seriously? it's fucking faggots like you that have to start shit on youtube for no reason. i'm not putting the band down, just hate the shirt. that's all. who are you to call me a cunt you fucking pansy. it's not like it takes balls to say it to someone over the fucking internet. drop dead tough guy.
staindstairway7 6 months ago
@staindstairway7 My comment had nothing to do with being a tough guy, and anyone can have the balls to type on a keyboard, learn to read. I could care less what anyone thinks on here, so you're not even justified. I was saying your statement of losing respect for a talented band because of a t-shirt in a music video basically means if I'm looking for attention, you are too.
Dissimulatex 6 months ago
holy shit! BRUTAL!
TheTab13 7 months ago
@TheTab13 I'm youtube stalking you!
lefty156 7 months ago
the new architects?
rickyvangooberblat 7 months ago
@rickyvangooberblat they broke up though.
1stdoublekill 7 months ago
@1stdoublekill So I Hear, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
rickyvangooberblat 7 months ago
@rickyvangooberblat Hello mate, just to let you know we have NOT split up. We're currently writing album number 2 but have taken a break from shows until its done.
ThePaulArusha 7 months ago
@ThePaulArusha This is good hope the writing is going well. Gonna just be blasting this tune out for the summer I think till I hear your new stuff :D
rickyvangooberblat 7 months ago
@1stdoublekill Hello mate, just to let you know we have NOT split up. We're currently writing album number 2 but have taken a break from shows until its done
ThePaulArusha 7 months ago
@rickyvangooberblat more like the new fellsilent ... This band kicks Architects' ass
iDjentity 7 months ago
@iDjentity Fellsilent.... I think more along the lines of TesseracT and Monuments are the new Fellsilent
rickyvangooberblat 7 months ago
@rickyvangooberblat Or Fellsilent are the old Monuments and TesseracT, kinda a mind fuck if you over think it. :D
SquareWand 7 months ago
@rickyvangooberblat Uhh considering Monuments is part ex-Fellsilent members, no shit. And TesseracT is nothing like Fellsilent ever was.
Dissimulatex 7 months ago
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rickyvangooberblat 7 months ago
@Dissimulatex Some of TesseracTs members are also from FellSilent?
rickyvangooberblat 7 months ago
FéAéDéçAéCKING AMAZING!!
fi0re1991 7 months ago
So glad the rumours weren't true about breaking up, The Arusha Accord are top fucking boys!
6914 7 months ago
FUCK YAH
irishmarine3 7 months ago
I have subscribed to KerrangPodcast :)
Sceptik0101 7 months ago
@ItsAlxDee hey buddy despite what that awesome guy below says the band is currently writing a 2nd album and we're very much still together!
ThePaulArusha 7 months ago 2
Its official - djent has gone scene
sm0kenmirrhurz92 7 months ago
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 shut up
ItsAlxDee 7 months ago
@ItsAlxDee U mad?
sm0kenmirrhurz92 7 months ago
@ItsAlxDee U mad bro?
sm0kenmirrhurz92 7 months ago
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 yeah :( can I have a hug?
ItsAlxDee 7 months ago
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 Lol have you been living under a rock? The Arusha Accord has been around before djent got "big". And good, don't listen to them then. Go listen to your Periphery.
Dissimulatex 7 months ago
@Dissimulatex Hahaha my mistake for not reading up on this band, but apparently theyve broken up, good news :D
sm0kenmirrhurz92 7 months ago
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 dude this band is incredible. Its a shame they broke up :/ Which is news to me. This band is better than 90% of the other crap that's being put out today.
ItsAlxDee 7 months ago
@ItsAlxDee U mad bro?
sm0kenmirrhurz92 7 months ago
@sm0kenmirrhurz92
Shut your whore mouth
Mugenloo 7 months ago
@sm0kenmirrhurz92 i wouldn't even consider this band djent. its official - you know nothing about music
nameless12345 6 months ago
one of the best bands in the last 5 years. i hear new album is in the works?
deftones0918 7 months ago
the sound like the architects mixed with fei comodo. this band has a really good sound. i love how you can finally hear some bass! and im diggin the simplicity of the video(: these guys are goin places!
DannyDinoFace 7 months ago
There aren't a hundred other bands that sound like this already... oh wait. Btw if you can't be more creative then to play behind white... don't make a fuckin video. Ugly ass name too.
lawlawlowned 7 months ago
@lawlawlowned playing behind white is a very cheap way to produce a video. dont worry about that, just admire the music.
poptartpartiers 7 months ago
WE SKIP BECAUSE WE ARE COOL...
DeathMetalTim32 7 months ago
This is a copy of Architects :\
Dark515Rogue 7 months ago
@Dark515Rogue Don't be sad, that means musicians these days know how to play more then just 3 three chords :)
Isawdinosaurs 7 months ago
@Dark515Rogue fuck the architects they suck balls now
nameless12345 7 months ago
Holy shit this is good. It sounds like Architects had a baby with The Dillinger Escape Plan and SikTh!
Meeshdongles 7 months ago
@Rokkari For the first 20 seconds, I thought I was listening to Norma Jean's liarsenic! :S
StylishStar88 7 months ago
No need for two screams
kind of retarded
swaga 8 months ago
@swaga what do you think two guitarists are for?
it's simply for thicker sound, harmonies, trade offs, etc. just like two screamers ;)
Scarbak123 7 months ago
@Scarbak123 lol you can not compare screams to guitars in the sense of harmony
swaga 7 months ago
@swaga sorry, i kinda mixed their singing and screaming into the same comment :P
either way, it just adds texture to the song, which was the main point i was trying to make
Scarbak123 7 months ago
I wish i knew why people were freaking out over this bassist :/ like hes playing slap and stuff but ive seen lots of bassists play similar stuff, just not as conssistantly
neilpeartrocks2112 8 months ago
This song has made me decide I'm buying a bass and learning how to play the second I get a fat enough paycheck.
TheSinthetik 8 months ago 15
@TheSinthetik Slap bass man- gonna take you a while to learn ;)
DanceLukeDancee 8 months ago
About 7 minutes after I heard this song for the first time I ordered their tshirt. Hahaha.
MrDanRE 8 months ago
such a sick song!! its a fair bit like architects though...start is like early grave, then goes a bit mental after that like to the death, and the video is like always
lcdrummer4 8 months ago 2
sounds like architetcs.. and looks like the MusicVideo "Architects - Always"
or?? oO
DoctorDonnieBrasco 8 months ago
@DoctorDonnieBrasco indeed! that's exactly what I thought!
binerostock 8 months ago
This is actually pretty sick. Not going to pretend they don't owe Architects a lot, though, like some of these drones.
roystenvasey 8 months ago
greatttt music right here!
TheEnigmaticForm11 8 months ago
i see a bleed from within shirt, and i see a TOOL shirt, i hear the sound of that bass, that's enough to know this band is great
joovn1 8 months ago 2
@joovn1 but two screamers??? that seems a bit...lame
Hamgammy 8 months ago
@Hamgammy listen to fellsilent, they have 3 or some shit but they are insanely fucking sick
punkrockdrummer 7 months ago
@punkrockdrummer fellsilent is indeed great, if you like fellsilent, you should check out vildhjarta, they sound similar, and are also a great band
joovn1 7 months ago
@joovn1 yeah their shit is awesome to the max
punkrockdrummer 7 months ago
@Hamgammy despised icon also has 2 vocalists, and they're a great band to, i don't think having 2 vocalists in a band is lame
joovn1 7 months ago
great band <:
ako3800 8 months ago
i can hear a bit of SiKth on this one...BRRRROWN BREAD! =D
pandadardar 8 months ago
Drummer with a TOOL tee? awesome :D
leoover9000lol 8 months ago
Wow this is pretty bad. Also the singer in white looks like Fred.
BasciBaran 8 months ago
This band is nothing like Architects.
w00per 8 months ago
reminds you of BTBAM? uhhh....
BeeTeeBeeAyEm 8 months ago
reminds me of BTBAM
GetStokedForMe 9 months ago
@GetStokedForMe are you fucking drunk?
TCon902 8 months ago
this band is all over the place. it's sexy. :)
hannahsays32 9 months ago
This song has a great groove, and YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE FUCKING BASS for once!
avlkush 9 months ago 40
Omg
TheXLoneWolfx 9 months ago
im sorry to all you faggots but this shits over architects lolz
paulloveslyd 9 months ago
@paulloveslyd seeing how they sound exactly like architects and released this after architects, its the other way around, sorry bro
TtotheRob13 9 months ago
@TtotheRob13 again, learn your british tech history :D they may sound similar to architects as they have the similar influences but arusha do it alot better ahah.
paulloveslyd 9 months ago
@paulloveslyd again, architects released ruin before arusha released this album, so arusha sounds exactly like architects bro. you failed to read what i said.
TtotheRob13 9 months ago
@TtotheRob13 again learn your british tech history.
paulloveslyd 9 months ago
@TtotheRob13 architects wish they sounded this good.
antnybeard 9 months ago
@antnybeard yeah they already did though, think you missed that part too.
TtotheRob13 9 months ago
@TtotheRob13 no they didn't. i was a fan from the nightmares days when they had their old singer and back then it sounded incredible, then ruins came out and wasn't great and then hollow crown was better. the new one is so shit. this song is better than anything architects ever released. tech metal's evolved since back then, it sounds dated now. this is how architects would have sounded if they haden't got shit.
antnybeard 9 months ago
@antnybeard I like coming across comments when people know their shit.
MrDanRE 9 months ago
@MrDanRE well i think if