@customanalogue truly terrifying. You cannot use the personal experience of one religious psychopath to slander 7 billion people. That man, much like the Society, believed he was doing God's work. Most "apostates" deny there even is a God.
@customanalogue Imagine. An army of 7 million Witnesses who are ordered to kill by the Society because they believe it's the Word of God. If an Apostate kills or assaults, it's the individual. 7 billion individuals with their own agendas. Most pacifistic. But the entirety of the Organization under orders "from God" is
@customanalogue Revolution brings about change. Witnesses are every bit as dangerous as Apostates and in some cases, even more. The WTS believes all they do is justified because it is the Word delivered to them through the discreet slave. What happens when this slave starts announcing that it's okay to kill "Apostates?" There is more than enough Scripture to back that concept.
Just came across this as this Tim Kilgore appeared on my page... so I decided, since he wouldn't say much about himself - I'd try to find out.
Let me say this as I have said before, Father spent 2 years in jail because he said no to "learning war no more." I & my brother had to flee the country of our birth to avoid similar fate. We say NO TO ANY VIOLENCE.
Apostates can be VERY dangerous. Remember what happened in NORWAY. Incitement could LEAD TO DEATHS !!!
i know you all are being serious but let me through in their that the metaphor of the leader of the vast hetrosexual army is wrong, the leader would have to be a ex former homosexual disillusioned with with homosexuals BOL the vast apostate army should just stay a net group dedicated to helping the disfellowshipped and the disassociates because a great consolation in life and especially on the net you can always find at least ONE person who shares your feelings on any topic
@MichieHoward Michie, you've missed the point. We're talking about legalities here, and whether Dustin (or anybody else in the vaa) could be held legally responsible, or at least placed on a list of terrorist or hate groups, if one member were to carry out an act of violence. Whether the leader of the hypothetical vha were a 'former' homosexual himself is about as relevant as his eye color. His rhetoric, his demeanor, and the results would be the important things.
@propagandatechniques Actually, Craig, the type of 'scaring' they're INTENDING to do wouldn't be terrorism. It has to be fear of bodily injury. So, for instance, you can scare someone by threatening to sue them in court, to tell one's wife he's having an affair (as long as it's not part of extortion), or to create an irrational, non-violence-based fear, like the JW's fear of apostates, which is related to the idea that they'll lie to you, not kill you. (Cont'd)
@propagandatechniques If he'd said something like, "I have some C4, and I'm gonna blow up WT headquarters," you'd be right on the mark. But, as long as no act is committed, statements like this are the equivalent of saying something like, "My employee stole from me, and I'm gonna blow him out of the water." While I agree that there's reason to be concerned about some of Dustin's rhetoric, I believe you're jumping off the deep end.
@propagandatechniques No crime has been committed, Craig. Are you familiar with the terms "actus reus" and "mens rea"? At this point, one could only infer mens rea, and it would not be convincing, sans any sort of violent act. And there has been no actus reus.
@propagandatechniques (Cont'd). Even the WBTS uses fear tactics that are quite severe, but don't constitute terrorism. And what's more, if, for instance, Dustin had literally stated that he was gonna blow up WT Headquarters, that would be a 'terroristic threat', not terrorism, and wouldn't carry the death penalty. In order for the death penalty to be used, someone must literally lose his/her life as a result of the guilty party's actions, and it must be proven that that was the intended result.
lol... I live in Georgia. Your metaphor of the anti-homosexual group, just described our local PTA, The sherrif's association, the Southern Baptist Association, and the kindergarten class at our local elementary school
@SomeStylistGuy an anti-homosexual group is legal, as I said. It's legal to disapprove of someone's actions -- it's even legal to hate. Disapproving of homosexuality, even attempting to make it illegal, is on one side of the law. Encouraging people to possibly physically harm homosexuals is on the other side. I doubt that your local PTA has stepped over that line, at least blatantly.
@nathanaelstacy1 oh no... like I said. It's Georgia. The people on the PTA gonna be some of the FIRST ones to tie yo ass to the back of a pickup truck and take you for a ride down a country road, and feed what's left to a gator in one of the swamps. We have PTA members here that have offered me business cards to the KLan! They approach you like they are selling Avon or something
@SomeStylistGuy That could be slightly unnerving! We have some Klan around these parts, too, but not that blatant. Around MLK day, you'll see Rebel flags go up around the neighborhood... Although I'm a straight guy, and I look like an average Caucasian, I'm actually Native American, on top of being a non-believer in the Bible. Sometimes I wonder if folks around here realized those things about me, if my life in my neighborhood would be as safe as it is.
@nathanaelstacy1 Are you kidding? When I first came here a few years ago, my girl and I ate at the local Applebees (a bar&grill type restaraunt) we were amazed that a white guy was raising absolute hell because he had a black waitress. He demanded TO HER FACE that she bring him a WHITE waitress. The manager was called. He was accomodated. We knew we'd come to hell.
@nathanaelstacy1 lol (and not tryin' to get the last word) but racism... BAD here. In this town if you ask about Jehovah's Witnesses, people will tell you it's a "black church". Everything is segregated here. BLATANTLY. I live a four minute drive from a cotton plantation. Where the decendents of slaves still work, because they had nowhere else to go. It's awful. But they don't call it the dirty south for nothin'.
Ah yes, I could be prosecuted on the Beatles Helter-Skelter case. Charles Manson was caught, the Beatles didn't dare return to America because of the pending Grand Jury indictment.
@LuciousVBogeymanProd You're the only one laughing, and I don't believe that has anything to do with paranoia. It's all about defending your ego. But good luck with that.
So I have one question for you...How could I forget your channel when I went on a subbing rampage to every person I enjoyed videos from? I'm subbing right now. When Dustin first started making his videos I was convinced he was planning something horrible on that day, I thought he was going to blow himself and brooklyn up. Then I got all the metaphor and stuff. I can see your point though.
@TimKilgore Thanks for the sub! And haha! Well, I saw some of his vids before he ever started that VAA baloney, and back then, I thought he could really be a great youtube resource. Never thought he had anything horrible planned at all. But from the start of his "vaa" thing (and increasing egomania) I was afraid it might end up in disaster. I'm actually glad it fell apart -- if it could come back together as something more constructive, that would be great.
@nathanaelstacy1 It might not be as long as you'd think. For Craig's comment, about the VAA not being what it should be. I don't think it's anything right now except for Lucious' rants. People will take what they will from it, the name is the important thing for me. I'm going to do with it what I want, if everyone embraced the term and did whatever they wanted while calling themselves members then the VAA becomes what people want it to be.
@TimKilgore I liked your idea you presented in your video of people dressed in a (somewhat silly sounding) uniform of sorts, not trying to 'bring down the Watchtower' in a one-day, mass visit, but persistently bringing attention to their message. If the r&f eventually came to see these blokes as innocuous curiosities, eventually some might allow themselves sometime to take a peek at an internet site about them, etc. "Bringing down the Watchtower" wasn't ever possible, but helping people (cont'd)
@nathanaelstacy1 Knowledge is the ultimate downfall of the watchtower, there's no question. If there's a way to bring attention to that knowledge that will be the death of the Watchtower. To be completely honest I support the VAA because I like the name and I think the apostates on youtube need a better name than "The Youtube Apostates".
@TimKilgore Idk Tim, imagine all of the Youtube Apostates standing side to side, swaying together, and singing "We're the Youtube Apostataaaates," or something. That might be cool! Kind of like the Lollypop Guild, or whatever it was the munchkins sang!
@customanalogue truly terrifying. You cannot use the personal experience of one religious psychopath to slander 7 billion people. That man, much like the Society, believed he was doing God's work. Most "apostates" deny there even is a God.
deanshero1 3 weeks ago
@customanalogue Imagine. An army of 7 million Witnesses who are ordered to kill by the Society because they believe it's the Word of God. If an Apostate kills or assaults, it's the individual. 7 billion individuals with their own agendas. Most pacifistic. But the entirety of the Organization under orders "from God" is
deanshero1 3 weeks ago
@customanalogue Revolution brings about change. Witnesses are every bit as dangerous as Apostates and in some cases, even more. The WTS believes all they do is justified because it is the Word delivered to them through the discreet slave. What happens when this slave starts announcing that it's okay to kill "Apostates?" There is more than enough Scripture to back that concept.
deanshero1 3 weeks ago
Just came across this as this Tim Kilgore appeared on my page... so I decided, since he wouldn't say much about himself - I'd try to find out.
Let me say this as I have said before, Father spent 2 years in jail because he said no to "learning war no more." I & my brother had to flee the country of our birth to avoid similar fate. We say NO TO ANY VIOLENCE.
Apostates can be VERY dangerous. Remember what happened in NORWAY. Incitement could LEAD TO DEATHS !!!
You are PLAYING WITH FIRE !!
customanalogue 3 months ago
i know you all are being serious but let me through in their that the metaphor of the leader of the vast hetrosexual army is wrong, the leader would have to be a ex former homosexual disillusioned with with homosexuals BOL the vast apostate army should just stay a net group dedicated to helping the disfellowshipped and the disassociates because a great consolation in life and especially on the net you can always find at least ONE person who shares your feelings on any topic
MichieHoward 1 year ago
@MichieHoward Michie, you've missed the point. We're talking about legalities here, and whether Dustin (or anybody else in the vaa) could be held legally responsible, or at least placed on a list of terrorist or hate groups, if one member were to carry out an act of violence. Whether the leader of the hypothetical vha were a 'former' homosexual himself is about as relevant as his eye color. His rhetoric, his demeanor, and the results would be the important things.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
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@propagandatechniques Actually, Craig, the type of 'scaring' they're INTENDING to do wouldn't be terrorism. It has to be fear of bodily injury. So, for instance, you can scare someone by threatening to sue them in court, to tell one's wife he's having an affair (as long as it's not part of extortion), or to create an irrational, non-violence-based fear, like the JW's fear of apostates, which is related to the idea that they'll lie to you, not kill you. (Cont'd)
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
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propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques If he'd said something like, "I have some C4, and I'm gonna blow up WT headquarters," you'd be right on the mark. But, as long as no act is committed, statements like this are the equivalent of saying something like, "My employee stole from me, and I'm gonna blow him out of the water." While I agree that there's reason to be concerned about some of Dustin's rhetoric, I believe you're jumping off the deep end.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
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@propagandatechniques No crime has been committed, Craig. Are you familiar with the terms "actus reus" and "mens rea"? At this point, one could only infer mens rea, and it would not be convincing, sans any sort of violent act. And there has been no actus reus.
You might wanna just reel back in a bit here.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
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propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques (Cont'd). Even the WBTS uses fear tactics that are quite severe, but don't constitute terrorism. And what's more, if, for instance, Dustin had literally stated that he was gonna blow up WT Headquarters, that would be a 'terroristic threat', not terrorism, and wouldn't carry the death penalty. In order for the death penalty to be used, someone must literally lose his/her life as a result of the guilty party's actions, and it must be proven that that was the intended result.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
lol... I live in Georgia. Your metaphor of the anti-homosexual group, just described our local PTA, The sherrif's association, the Southern Baptist Association, and the kindergarten class at our local elementary school
SomeStylistGuy 1 year ago
@SomeStylistGuy an anti-homosexual group is legal, as I said. It's legal to disapprove of someone's actions -- it's even legal to hate. Disapproving of homosexuality, even attempting to make it illegal, is on one side of the law. Encouraging people to possibly physically harm homosexuals is on the other side. I doubt that your local PTA has stepped over that line, at least blatantly.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 oh no... like I said. It's Georgia. The people on the PTA gonna be some of the FIRST ones to tie yo ass to the back of a pickup truck and take you for a ride down a country road, and feed what's left to a gator in one of the swamps. We have PTA members here that have offered me business cards to the KLan! They approach you like they are selling Avon or something
SomeStylistGuy 1 year ago
@SomeStylistGuy That could be slightly unnerving! We have some Klan around these parts, too, but not that blatant. Around MLK day, you'll see Rebel flags go up around the neighborhood... Although I'm a straight guy, and I look like an average Caucasian, I'm actually Native American, on top of being a non-believer in the Bible. Sometimes I wonder if folks around here realized those things about me, if my life in my neighborhood would be as safe as it is.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Are you kidding? When I first came here a few years ago, my girl and I ate at the local Applebees (a bar&grill type restaraunt) we were amazed that a white guy was raising absolute hell because he had a black waitress. He demanded TO HER FACE that she bring him a WHITE waitress. The manager was called. He was accomodated. We knew we'd come to hell.
SomeStylistGuy 1 year ago
@SomeStylistGuy Dang... I have no better reply than that... Just... Dang...
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 lol (and not tryin' to get the last word) but racism... BAD here. In this town if you ask about Jehovah's Witnesses, people will tell you it's a "black church". Everything is segregated here. BLATANTLY. I live a four minute drive from a cotton plantation. Where the decendents of slaves still work, because they had nowhere else to go. It's awful. But they don't call it the dirty south for nothin'.
SomeStylistGuy 1 year ago
Ah yes, I could be prosecuted on the Beatles Helter-Skelter case. Charles Manson was caught, the Beatles didn't dare return to America because of the pending Grand Jury indictment.
LuciousVBogeymanProd 1 year ago
You're inciting people to laugh at paranoia. LOL
LuciousVBogeymanProd 1 year ago
@LuciousVBogeymanProd You're the only one laughing, and I don't believe that has anything to do with paranoia. It's all about defending your ego. But good luck with that.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 LOL. I don't have time, but you just handed me a GEM. Vid Tomorrow. Keep up the good work.
LuciousVBogeymanProd 1 year ago
@LuciousVBogeymanProd Glad to be of service.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@LuciousVBogeymanProd Btw, is your next response video going to simply be a bloated reductio ad ridiculum like the last one?
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
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propagandatechniques 1 year ago
YES GRATs tim!!! HUG EM FOREVER!
akashafuhr 1 year ago
So I have one question for you...How could I forget your channel when I went on a subbing rampage to every person I enjoyed videos from? I'm subbing right now. When Dustin first started making his videos I was convinced he was planning something horrible on that day, I thought he was going to blow himself and brooklyn up. Then I got all the metaphor and stuff. I can see your point though.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Thanks for the sub! And haha! Well, I saw some of his vids before he ever started that VAA baloney, and back then, I thought he could really be a great youtube resource. Never thought he had anything horrible planned at all. But from the start of his "vaa" thing (and increasing egomania) I was afraid it might end up in disaster. I'm actually glad it fell apart -- if it could come back together as something more constructive, that would be great.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Maybe this will allow the phoenix of what the VAA should be to rise from the ashes of what it once seemed to be.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Maybe so. If it does, it may be awhile.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 It might not be as long as you'd think. For Craig's comment, about the VAA not being what it should be. I don't think it's anything right now except for Lucious' rants. People will take what they will from it, the name is the important thing for me. I'm going to do with it what I want, if everyone embraced the term and did whatever they wanted while calling themselves members then the VAA becomes what people want it to be.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore I liked your idea you presented in your video of people dressed in a (somewhat silly sounding) uniform of sorts, not trying to 'bring down the Watchtower' in a one-day, mass visit, but persistently bringing attention to their message. If the r&f eventually came to see these blokes as innocuous curiosities, eventually some might allow themselves sometime to take a peek at an internet site about them, etc. "Bringing down the Watchtower" wasn't ever possible, but helping people (cont'd)
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@TimKilgore (cont'd) find out a little bit of truth on their own wouldn't be out of reach at all. It might be a useful strategy.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Knowledge is the ultimate downfall of the watchtower, there's no question. If there's a way to bring attention to that knowledge that will be the death of the Watchtower. To be completely honest I support the VAA because I like the name and I think the apostates on youtube need a better name than "The Youtube Apostates".
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Idk Tim, imagine all of the Youtube Apostates standing side to side, swaying together, and singing "We're the Youtube Apostataaaates," or something. That might be cool! Kind of like the Lollypop Guild, or whatever it was the munchkins sang!
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