@Waustvanput No, Jesus stopped the ceremonial law because He was the final sacrifice. the bible has never been disproven. the flood was possible. no point in arguing with you though, you already have your mind made up
Anyone noticed that drcraigvideos only allows comments he approves, i.e. ones he can prove wrong or cite for their irrationality, vitriol, or lack of cogency. So if you give a rational argument and it's not posted, there is a tacit understanding that he knows that what you tried to post was correct.
In a recent development, it seems "John Leonard" has "handed over" his YT account to Reasonable Faith. This is according to facebook dot com / note.php?note_id=290460267687541.
Perhaps "John" is running scared and attempting to pass on his defiled and scum-ridden channel over before it gets him into trouble.
@Cryofax hahahahahahhahaahah the patent and copyright law is so draconian and easily abuseable that it would take the apes in the government several decades to fix them.
Wow, you've figured it out. All these dozens/hundreds of videos and thousands of arguments, completely irrelevant compared to the TRUTH that Thunderf00t is in fact a CHRISTIAN! We should have known!
@heaton916 Just like you know allah exists and are just a fool mocking muslims? OR how you know that Thor exists and are just a fool mocking those who worship him?
Wow I knew drcraigvideos was a fascist troll with no life but I never realised he was this fucked in the head. I hope his account is banned from youtube.
.. try "you are such.." Now for further help re; Basic English Grammar, Full Text by Betty Schrampfer Azar; Paperback: 480 pages Publisher: Pearson ESL; 2 edition. cheers!
@xam10000hehe I don't know where God came from. but i know He doesn't have a beginning.i think the bible is self authenticating. it has no contradictions
@oscarmarin1995 you know he doesn't have a beginning , Or you are confused and believe god doesn't have a beginning?
"The bible self authenticating" is called circular reasoning and there are no other historical documents to back it up, and no contradictions, what about the nativity or the two different Genesis stories??
I guess it is circular reasoning until you actually look at it and study it. Genesis 1 & 2 are not contradictions. And the nativity didn't contradict itself
@oscarmarin1995 Chapter one describes the creation of plants followed by the creation of animals then humans. Chapter two seems to describe the creation of humans followed by the creation of plants then animals. If this assessment is true, it would seem that there is a contradiction between the creation accounts of Genesis 1 and 2.
@oscarmarin1995 Matthew's account of the appearance of an angel in a dream, to Joseph; the wise men from the east; the massacre of the innocents; and the flight to Egypt, which do not appear in Luke, which instead describes the appearance of an angel to Mary; the worldwide census; the birth in a manger, and the choir of angels.
@oscarmarin1995 wow you spend all day denying the truth. Speaking of the law of contradiction would you say god breaks his own laws or do you have an excuse for that as well?
@pandorachild God gave us laws because we needed them. But I believe God can take life as He pleases. Do you think capital punishment contradicts societies laws?
It's not a contradiction until it's proven to be a contradiction. It's still possible that he was governor twice. Maybe there were two men named Quirinius that were governors
@oscarmarin1995 "God can take life as he pleases" okay so you admit he breaks his own laws. We are not talking about capital punishment, we are talking about god, breaking his own rules, was everyone killed in the flood, where they ALL evil? If not then he Murdered Millions because some where allegedly bad, does this seem moral to you and doesn't it go against the commandment not to kill? Please think about it, the law giver doesn't even follow his own laws,I call that hypocritical, dont you?
@oscarmarin1995 so we cant do what the god does because that would be bad....
Listen I am bored of your excuses and special pleading. Worthy of death, that is just sick and perverted. Jesus was a scapegoat and that is amoral.Children suffering the sins of the father is amoral. Everything you say is a contradiction, I hope you get some help before you hurt someone and say its good because god told you it was okay. You are smart enough to know better, good luck.
@pandorachild Sick and perverted? It's the truth. I'm not gonna kill people about it, but it's the truth. Jesus Christ took the sin of the world so we could have life. That's not amoral, that's love. It's so simple to understand. What greater love is their than to lay down your life for a friend? I haven't contradicted myself, you don't understand. I'm not going to hurt anyone ok? Ok. God bless.
@oscarmarin1995 Its not the truth its a belief based on a book made by men.Every culture has a religion and they all have no evidence but lots of excuses. Its love to sacrifice your child? are you fucking demented? You have contradicted yourself repeatedly saying god is good blah blah blah yet god does horrible things and you just keep making excuses for him, enabler... god bless? Id spit in his face
@oscarmarin1995 "Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence." True but this doesn't mean you accept any wild claim on it's face.
"It's love when Christ CHOSE WILLINGLY to die for us." Did Yeshua "choose" to die before or after god set the whole thing in motion, knowing full well exactly what would happen? Did YHWH create Yeshua knowing he would be sacrificed? That's not much of a choice.
@oscarmarin1995 Id rather go to hell but the sad truth is we just die and rot in the ground, you on the other hand Live your life in hopes of spending eternity with your disgusting god.
@oscarmarin1995 "Jesus Christ took the sin of the world so we could have life. That's not amoral, that's love." It is neither Just, Loving, or Moral to accept the punishment of an innocent to pay for the crime of the guilty. There is nothing moral about requiring the brutal torture and murder of an innocent in order to forgive the guilty. No amount of innocent blood can atone for guilt and requiring such a sacrifice to forgive is not just, loving, or good.
@oscarmarin1995 "Who made you God? What is love?" I'm not a god, there is no evidence for such a thing.
The bible answers your question, read 1 Corinthians 13:
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud." YHWH fails by the bibles own definition of love. Only a mentally sick person would accept as love the planned slaughter of an innocent, genocide, slavery, or thought policing. That is NOT love.
@oscarmarin1995 If we accept that morals are objective than by necessity they must apply to everyone capable of moral judgment, including any kind of god. If morals are subjective and mutable than there is no reason to follow god's morality over any other. Authority or power does not equal morality. It could be argued that god's morality SHOULDN'T be emulated, that a god would have no real concept of human morality, anymore that we would be able to dictate the morality of ants.
@oscarmarin1995 If you hold that morals are objective, then by definition they MUST apply across the board. Meaning if it's morally wrong to kill, then it is wrong for everyone, including god. There may be times when killing can be justified, defending your life for instance, but justification doesn't make it moral. On what grounds COULD a god justify killing? Consequently you cannot claim that god is always moral or even righteous.
@ReverendWyrm God can justify killing as judgement. It's lawful. Everyone has sinned therefore anyone is open for God's judgement at any time unless they have sincerely asked for forgiveness and repented. God is always righteous, but also faithful to forgive those who are sorry and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.
@oscarmarin1995 "God can justify killing as judgement." Simply calling it something doesn't make it justified. In Africa they think they're justified in killing small girls accused of witchcraft, but that doesn't make it right, moral, or just. It's also unjust and immoral to hold a person accountable for the "sins" of their ancestors. Applying the same punishment equally regardless of infraction or circumstance isn't justice it's totalitarian.
@oscarmarin1995 "God is always righteous..." This can only be true if morals are subjective to the whim of your capricious god. If the god of the bible is real and morals are truly objective than said god CANNOT be considered moral. One law for the ruler and another for the ruled is not objective morality. As I've said before Might does not make right and authority does NOT equal moral superiority. A superior being must lead by example and YHWH's example is monstrous at best.
@ReverendWyrm God is righteous and morals are objective. God doesn't have laws for Himself, He doesn't need any. YHWH isn't monstrous, but ok that's your opinion. I'd think "love thy God with all thy being" and "love thy neighbor as thyself" is pretty moral.
@oscarmarin1995 "God is righteous and morals are objective."This statement cannot be true. Unless slaughtering pregnant women and enslaving children is moral?
"God doesn't have laws for Himself, He doesn't need any." If morality is truly objective it doesn't matter what he needs or wants, that morality still applies to god as much as anyone else.
"YHWH isn't monstrous..." He commands Genocide(1 Sam 15:3) and the slaughter pregnant women and babies(Hosea 13:16). Monstrous? Check!
@oscarmarin1995 I agree that the "Everyone has sinned" construct is so useful, especially when your deity goes about condemning non-christian to eternal torment.. (including children).. a quick question.. where is it written in your god's laws (or expressed explicitly) that insane or mentally challenged individuals are exempt from his/her/its wrath?
@daNDayati I don't think God sends children non-believers to hell. They don't think like older people do.
It's not written about mentally challenged/insane people facing any wrath of God. But we know that the majority can't think clearly. So because they can't think clearly, I think God has mercy on them.
Mental insanity could also sometimes be a consequence of sin. God afflicted Nebuchadnezzar with zoanthropy in Daniel 4:31-33 to discipline him. Demons can also cause mental illness
@daNDayati Of course, mental illness can also just be chemical imbalances and stuff like that and be man made.. I don't really know much about it. I'm sure God would have mercy on the mentally ill though and I'd think they would seek God, but that's just my opinion
@Waustvanput No. I'm not mentally ill and I believe in God. There's only 1 person I know that is an atheist out of like 50. Even Dawkins himself has become agnostic.
@oscarmarin1995 You probably don't understand what he is saying or have you ever heard that statement? He is a scientist. Meaning that if there is no evidence for something it doesn't automatically make it wrong. Meaning that Dawkins cannot be 100% sure god does not exist. he says at a scale from 1-7 1 meaning god exist and 7 he doesnt. He calls himself a 6. Which he already stated in a book he wrote a couple of years ago.
@oscarmarin1995 Then you need to read the article again and the entire bible. I've done it and it sure helps in NOT believing. Google Dawkins telegraph. co . uk you will find it.
Religion = mental illness. People do the must fd-up shit in -put some random god name here- name.
@Waustvanput "No loving god would give a girl at the age of 20 Ovarian cancer now would he?" I wouldn't know that.
"But he would kill you if you work on his holy day. Exodus 31:15" That law was for Israel before Christ. Jesus has freed Christians from the Law (the ceremonial law). Colossians 2:16 - Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
@oscarmarin1995 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law...” (Matthew 5:17-18) This sounds more like he is not on earth to abolish them so im pretty sure they still count for christians.
He will kill 42 children if you call his prophet bald. 2 Kings 2:24
@Waustvanput Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” - Matthew 22:37-40
The kids were probably wicked. They were shouting at him to leave and taunting him for no reason.
@Waustvanput Well, it was different back then. I wouldn't kill them for that, but it was different then. God probably had them go to heaven so they could be cured. I don't know man.
I'm not mentally ill, we just don't agree on beliefs.
Stealing and murder isn't loving your neighbor or God and it's morally wrong.
@oscarmarin1995 Evil is a concept only known to man. Someone is evil if they do something to you that you think is bad. But in there eyes it is good.
It was different back then?? What the f is that for argument? Same meaning as god works in mysterious ways.
"god probably had them go to heaven" He made bears kill them... Not a nice way to go.
Could he do it in a much nicer softer way? yeah he could. He made adam sleep and then removed a rib.. if he can do that.. why kill the boys with bears?
@oscarmarin1995 You do know that shouting bible verses is not the way to be right do you? xD or even some single form of evidence that god did it? It can be a fairytale from long ago.
Believing the universe made itself is called the big bang theory. Not the tv show but the scientific theory.
Morality is society based. Look at africa. different culture different morals.
@Waustvanput I wasn't arguing for a particular god with the KCA. I was arguing for a Creator.
"If everything has a beginning.. Then what created The very first beginning? Which in this 3-step argument is not achievable. " God created time. God doesn't have a beginning, therefore He doesn't have a cause.
@Waustvanput Believing the universe made itself would take more faith than believing in a Creator. It's like a painting painting itself or a watch creating itself
God's love is unconditional, yet He is righteous to judge evil. He gave His Only begotten Son so we could have life. God didn't murder Jesus, the Jews and Romans did, but Christ took our sins for us according toFather's will. They caused Him excruciating pain, He said "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
@oscarmarin1995 didn't god needed his son's death to forgive you? So he LET the romans and jews kill his son. Just so he could forgive you.
That means he didn't stop them from killing his son.Is he all-powerfull? yes.but he didn't do shit which makes him in a court guilty of murder in the 123412nd degree? dunno which one.
And since he is all-powerfull. Why didn't he just forgive us WHY the sacrifice?
Would you kill your son if another man hits you in the face?
@Waustvanput Sins have to be judged like breaking the law has to be judged, except blood pays for sins. Maybe that's new to you, but it's what I believe. Jesus was the final sacrifice. It can't be like "no punishment for sin." That would be like "no punishment for crimes".
If the big bang really happened, then what caused it?
"Morality is society based. Look at africa. different culture different morals." So if someone in a different culture says rape is okay, then it's okay?
@oscarmarin1995 That is not a strawman. That is the thing your god would do. Someone does not love him AKA slap him in the face. He kills his own son to forgive the guy who just slapped him.
@Waustvanput I don't have enough faith to believe that over millions or billions of years ago that there some random accident that made earth and earth eventually got life for some mysterious reason.
The Father planned it, but He didn't murder Him.
I understood your argument, it's just really fallacious.
So if the USA legalized rape, the rapists could be released and rape anyone without consent and get no punishment, that would still be okay?
@Waustvanput It's in Leviticus that the shedding of blood is atonement for sins. The price for sin has always been blood. Adam and Eve were told that if they sinned, they would surely die. The didn't die right away, but they died a spiritual death, and later, they died a physical death. The penalty of sin -- right from the point of creation -- is death.
@oscarmarin1995 Leviticus you don't say? Old testament law is still enforced? So some laws still count and some don't? I thought with the coming of jesus those laws were just laws for the jews?
The faith needed for an invisible allmighty allknowing timeless father figure who creates men in his own image is easier then the galaxy being formed by physics?
It also requires less faith to believe in noah and such according to you then is it not?
@Waustvanput Throughout the history of the Jewish people, they had to sacrifice an animal to atone for their sins. The sacrifice wasn't permanent. It had to be made again and again and again.
The only acceptable payment for a human life is another life. Jesus, as fully human, is capable of paying the price for the sin in your life. As fully God, he's capable of paying the price again and again for every life.
@oscarmarin1995 Can you even comprehend the fact that god (this loving figure) needs human blood to be appeased for your silly sins? It sounds more like he is some serial killer. Instead of doing the killing himself he lets other people do it :)
@Waustvanput He was prophesied in Isaiah 50:6 - I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
And Isaiah 53:7 - He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
@oscarmarin1995 That's a fallacy - saying that because every part of the universe has a cause, the universe itself must have a cause. It's like saying that because all the bricks in a house are small, the house itself must be small.
@oscarmarin1995 "1. Everything that has a beginning has a cause"
If beginning means comes from previous material, i.e. creatio ex materia; material is caused to form something. We have never seen anything come into being from nothing, so we can't say if happens or has a cause.
"2. The universe has a beginning"
This must be either "ex materia", which means something existed prior, which makes no sense; or "ex nihilo" which 1 hasn't proved needs a cause.
@oscarmarin1995 Actually, no - Dawkins is an atheist. Atheism and Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Agnosticism is a statement of certainty. Saying with 100% certainty that there is no god is a faith based statement. Agnostic Atheism is the more common form of atheism (because we don't have faith), just as Gnostic Theism is the more common form of theism.
@Mnementh2230 Dawkins used to say belief in God is delusional, now he says it's possible for God to exist. Sounds like he kind of changed his beliefs...
@pandorachild Today if a man kills a family and robs them of everything then he gets judged by the law. If we sin and don't repent we get judged. Simple. God doesn't break rules
@pandorachild What kind of justice are you for? No judgement for crimes? No prison or capital punishment? What kind of person lets immorality run rampant?
@oscarmarin1995 there is no evidence that anyone ever served as governor of the same consular province twice in the whole of Roman history, so it would have been extremely unusual and quite remarkable--so much so that it would be odd that no one mentions it, not even Josephus, or Tacitus who gives us the obituary of Quirinius in Annals 3.48, a prime place to mention such a peculiar accomplishment. It is certainly unheard of.
@oscarmarin1995 However, many scholars see a contradiction, in that while the Gospel of Matthew places Jesus' birth under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC, the Gospel of Luke also dates the birth ten years after Herod's death during the census of Quirinius.
@pandorachild The date of Herod's death is debatable but there is considerable evidence pointing to 1 B.C.E. The registration which took place under Quirinius in 6 or 7 was actually the second one. Inscriptions discovered around Antioch reveal that he served as the emperor's legate earlier. He was governor twice. His first governorship was probably between 3 and 2 B.C.E.
@oscarmarin1995 "The registration...under Quirinius in 6 or 7 was...the second one. ...He was governor twice." Unfortunately this doesn't jive as the governors before and after Quirinius are known. Even IF Quirinius was in some position other than governor prior to the census in 6/7ce no record of a prior census exists and there was no practice in the Roman Empire of requiring people to returning to an ancestral city for a census.
@oscarmarin1995 "That doesn't mean the assertion is false" Actually it does. We know who was Gov. of Syria before and after Quirinius, that there was no practice in Rome requiring travel to one's natal city, that there is NO RECORD of any kind of general census EVER taking place under Augustus, no Roman census took place in Judea during the reign of Herod, and IF such a census had taken place some historian of the time would have recorded something about such an innovation.
@oscarmarin1995 Some have tried to reconcile Matthew and Luke by inventing a second governorship of Quirinius, placing it in the reign of Herod the Great. However, we have no evidence at all that Quirinius served as governor of Syria twice, much less that he did so when Herod was king of Judaea. Moreover, no one ever governed the same province twice in the whole of Roman history, making the very proposal implausible.
@oscarmarin1995 There is no way to rescue the Gospels of Matthew and Luke from contradicting each other on this one point of historical fact. The contradiction is plain and irrefutable, and stands as proof of the fallibility of the Bible, as well as the falsehood of at least one of the two New Testament accounts of the birth of Jesus.
@pandorachild So Luke got it right when he says this first registration took place when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Luke 2:2: "This was the FIRST census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria."
@pandorachild it's bullshit huh? how do you know? where you around at the supposed time of the noahic flood? absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence. it's at least possible.
@pandorachild Since Gilgamesh is clearly a fabrication and since the Genesis flood account has been confirmed with present-day observation and facts, we know that the biblical flood account is correct. We also know that Moses penned the flood account from a reliable source. If the Babylonian author based his story on the truth, he deliberately changed it to reflect certain gods and ideas of his choosing that contradicted the truth, logic, and science.
@oscarmarin1995 hahah that's rich a creationist calling me a bigot. How is Gilgamesh a fabrication but genesis is literal? The flood in the bible is bullshit and there is no evidence to support it, lets see your facts and observations.
@oscarmarin1995 I am curious , why do you think Gilgamesh is a fabrication yet the exact same story appears in the bible thousands of years later and you consider it fact.
@pandorachild I already explained that Gilgamesh is impossible based on the story itself. The boat wouldn't have floated and there are differences between it and the flood in Genesis.
“Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east…” (Genesis 2:8) and, 'Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field…' (Genesis 2:19 with emphasis added), it is clearly seen that chapter 2 states that the plants and animals were formed before Adam.
@pandorachild When Adam named the animals (Genesis 2:20), they obviously were already in existence. There is no contradictory significance in the order of animals listed in Genesis 2:20; it is probably the order in which Adam met the animals, while the order of their creation is given in Genesis 1:20-25
The purpose of Genesis 2:18-25 is not to give another account of creation but to show that there was no kinship whatsoever between Adam and the animals.
@pandorachild None was like him, and so none could provide fellowship or companionship for him. Why not? Because Adam had not evolved from them, but was 'a living soul' whom God had created 'in His own image' (Genesis 2:7 and 1:27). This means (among other things) that God created Adam to be a person whom He could address, and who could respond to and interact with Him. Here, as in many other places, the plain statements of the Bible confront and contradict the notion of human evol
@pandorachild 5) The subsequent ice age was a result of the effects of the biblical flood. Even evolutionists agree on an ice age. They simply have a different date for its occurrence and its duration.
6) Here is a great web site that takes the biblical flood account and reveals its effects on the Earth and how we still see them, today. Link: w w w . evan wiggs . c o m / articles / fountain . html
One has to appreciate the fine sense of irony when people call atheists wankers and full of self-pity when they are as much trusted as rapists and forbidden to hold positions of any kind of political, whilst fundie Christians claim oppression and persecution whenever someone merely tells them they are wrong.
@BigBangNeverHappend You just activated my trap card!! I dont have to prove it, because I KNOW IT'S TRUE. LOLOL!! Enemy creatard fainted! Gained 0 EXP!!
I see 65 of "Dr" Craigs' sheep have been here. And they're pissed you don't share in their delusions! I'd cry in my beer but I don't want to ruin good beer.
Don't know what your talking about sorry, it seems drcraigvideos is now linked and featured on the reasonablefaith website, with a disclaimer at the end of each video stating "the copywrite of this material is owned by william lane craig.
I can't see thunderfoot taking down drcraigvideos channel anytime soon, after all why hasn't thunderfoots video been restored yet? just stating the facts, doesn't bother me either way.
@acceptjesusorburn And you never will see what anyone is talking about that speaks outside the realm of your blinders. Keep your head in the sand and the big, bad world of reality will never touch you. 2000 y/o wisdom from an 800 y/o goat herder that led a million and a half people around a desert for 40 years makes such compelling life lessons. How the rest of the world doesn't swallow your particular brand of delusion is beyond anyone but you.
The channel is actually by a young enthusisiastic WLC brown-noser, not WLC himself. It's a ridiculous little channel..any criticism od WLC is blocked, the owner of the channel rarely answers philosophically, he'll instead say: "WLC explains that, explains all your questions, your just too dumb to understand my master WLC. "Now, where's my "gimp-suit",WLC is coming over tonight".. Hihi, the last bit I added myself, but you guys get the idea of what the channel is like.: )
If you dont, which Im sure you dont, then atheism is RIGHT. Since all theists not just the Christians have NOT provided ANY evidence or arguments, I find it hard to believe that you will accomplish this Miracle .
@RandomlyAnimated Cant help but notice you didnt offer any evidence and resorted to asking a question instead. I will repeat it,
Do you have evidence to prove any gods exists?
Atheism is a disbelief in your claims so I would say NO I wont die for your inability to prove your claim and I will take it one step further, what does dying for something have to do with the truth?
@RandomlyAnimated Your supposed logic is at the most basic level, flawed. I am not a stamp collector. How do I 'prove' that?
Atheists simply choose not to share in your delusions yet are treated with less respect than child molesters and rapists. If you consider that Christ-Like, you're more pathetic than anything on the 700 Club.
The only thing your Holy Book gets right is Matthew 5:5. You theistic imbeciles will kill each other over "My God Is Better than Your God".
@RandomlyAnimated Au cont rare' I don't hate anyone. It's the willful, self imposed ignorance I hate. You'll learn the difference when blind obedience isn't your sole purpose in life like I did.
@Waustvanput No, Jesus stopped the ceremonial law because He was the final sacrifice. the bible has never been disproven. the flood was possible. no point in arguing with you though, you already have your mind made up
oscarmarin1995 6 hours ago
Again, please stop calling it "DMCA abuse".
The DMCA itself is abuse.
AnonymousElektron 10 hours ago
Anyone noticed that drcraigvideos only allows comments he approves, i.e. ones he can prove wrong or cite for their irrationality, vitriol, or lack of cogency. So if you give a rational argument and it's not posted, there is a tacit understanding that he knows that what you tried to post was correct.
foxfireman188 22 hours ago
In a recent development, it seems "John Leonard" has "handed over" his YT account to Reasonable Faith. This is according to facebook dot com / note.php?note_id=290460267687541.
Perhaps "John" is running scared and attempting to pass on his defiled and scum-ridden channel over before it gets him into trouble.
TheAikenHead 1 day ago
No way you work at Cornell? I possibly will be transferring there in a couple of terms
cannibalcarrot666 1 day ago
Repeal the DMCA. Overhaul copyright and patent law.
Cryofax 4 days ago
@Cryofax hahahahahahhahaahah the patent and copyright law is so draconian and easily abuseable that it would take the apes in the government several decades to fix them.
Phished123 1 day ago
Tfoot knows God is exist he just an idiot mocking christians
heaton916 5 days ago
@heaton916
CLAP CLAP CLAP
Wow, you've figured it out. All these dozens/hundreds of videos and thousands of arguments, completely irrelevant compared to the TRUTH that Thunderf00t is in fact a CHRISTIAN! We should have known!
Kloborgg 5 days ago
@heaton916 Just like you know allah exists and are just a fool mocking muslims? OR how you know that Thor exists and are just a fool mocking those who worship him?
Darkstar1484 3 days ago
Wow I knew drcraigvideos was a fascist troll with no life but I never realised he was this fucked in the head. I hope his account is banned from youtube.
flackz16 6 days ago
.. try "you are such.." Now for further help re; Basic English Grammar, Full Text by Betty Schrampfer Azar; Paperback: 480 pages Publisher: Pearson ESL; 2 edition. cheers!
daNDayati 1 week ago
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
FAIL yet again. your such a foul little ponce
truthseeker010101 1 week ago
@xam10000hehe I don't know where God came from. but i know He doesn't have a beginning.i think the bible is self authenticating. it has no contradictions
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 you know he doesn't have a beginning , Or you are confused and believe god doesn't have a beginning?
"The bible self authenticating" is called circular reasoning and there are no other historical documents to back it up, and no contradictions, what about the nativity or the two different Genesis stories??
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild I know God doesn't have a beginning.
I guess it is circular reasoning until you actually look at it and study it. Genesis 1 & 2 are not contradictions. And the nativity didn't contradict itself
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Chapter one describes the creation of plants followed by the creation of animals then humans. Chapter two seems to describe the creation of humans followed by the creation of plants then animals. If this assessment is true, it would seem that there is a contradiction between the creation accounts of Genesis 1 and 2.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Matthew's account of the appearance of an angel in a dream, to Joseph; the wise men from the east; the massacre of the innocents; and the flight to Egypt, which do not appear in Luke, which instead describes the appearance of an angel to Mary; the worldwide census; the birth in a manger, and the choir of angels.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild The Matthew and Luke accounts don't contradict.
1. angel appears to Joseph and Mary
2. wise men
3. go to Egypt (doesn't need to appear in Luke)
4. massacre
5. census
6. birth
7. choir
According to the law of contradiction these aren't contradictions. Luke and Matthew just have different parts that fit together.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 wow you spend all day denying the truth. Speaking of the law of contradiction would you say god breaks his own laws or do you have an excuse for that as well?
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild God gave us laws because we needed them. But I believe God can take life as He pleases. Do you think capital punishment contradicts societies laws?
It's not a contradiction until it's proven to be a contradiction. It's still possible that he was governor twice. Maybe there were two men named Quirinius that were governors
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 "God can take life as he pleases" okay so you admit he breaks his own laws. We are not talking about capital punishment, we are talking about god, breaking his own rules, was everyone killed in the flood, where they ALL evil? If not then he Murdered Millions because some where allegedly bad, does this seem moral to you and doesn't it go against the commandment not to kill? Please think about it, the law giver doesn't even follow his own laws,I call that hypocritical, dont you?
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild God doesn't have laws for Himself. He is good and righteous by nature.
Judgment is what I was talking about.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Define good. Is murder good?
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild Good - morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious: of high quality; excellent. I should have said loving because God is loving
Murder - unlawful killing, no it's bad
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Do you even see the contradiction of what you are saying?
God is a murderer of innocents, yet you define his as good.
"Murder - unlawful killing, no it's bad" unless you are the god of war then its good?
Its sad you mentioned love, hurting people you say you love is never good.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild It's not a contradiction. Everyone is worthy of death, everyone has sinned, but Jesus Christi paid the price so we could have life.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 so we cant do what the god does because that would be bad....
Listen I am bored of your excuses and special pleading. Worthy of death, that is just sick and perverted. Jesus was a scapegoat and that is amoral.Children suffering the sins of the father is amoral. Everything you say is a contradiction, I hope you get some help before you hurt someone and say its good because god told you it was okay. You are smart enough to know better, good luck.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild Sick and perverted? It's the truth. I'm not gonna kill people about it, but it's the truth. Jesus Christ took the sin of the world so we could have life. That's not amoral, that's love. It's so simple to understand. What greater love is their than to lay down your life for a friend? I haven't contradicted myself, you don't understand. I'm not going to hurt anyone ok? Ok. God bless.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Its not the truth its a belief based on a book made by men.Every culture has a religion and they all have no evidence but lots of excuses. Its love to sacrifice your child? are you fucking demented? You have contradicted yourself repeatedly saying god is good blah blah blah yet god does horrible things and you just keep making excuses for him, enabler... god bless? Id spit in his face
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence.
It's love when Christ CHOSE WILLINGLY to die for us. I don't get why you don't understand something so simple.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
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@oscarmarin1995 "Absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence." True but this doesn't mean you accept any wild claim on it's face.
"It's love when Christ CHOSE WILLINGLY to die for us." Did Yeshua "choose" to die before or after god set the whole thing in motion, knowing full well exactly what would happen? Did YHWH create Yeshua knowing he would be sacrificed? That's not much of a choice.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@pandorachild You'd spit in His face? Yeah right. Typical atheist. I'm sorry you feel that way. Hope you find the truth someday, God bless.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Id rather go to hell but the sad truth is we just die and rot in the ground, you on the other hand Live your life in hopes of spending eternity with your disgusting god.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 "Jesus Christ took the sin of the world so we could have life. That's not amoral, that's love." It is neither Just, Loving, or Moral to accept the punishment of an innocent to pay for the crime of the guilty. There is nothing moral about requiring the brutal torture and murder of an innocent in order to forgive the guilty. No amount of innocent blood can atone for guilt and requiring such a sacrifice to forgive is not just, loving, or good.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm Who made you God? What is love?
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
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@oscarmarin1995 "Who made you God? What is love?" I'm not a god, there is no evidence for such a thing.
The bible answers your question, read 1 Corinthians 13:
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud." YHWH fails by the bibles own definition of love. Only a mentally sick person would accept as love the planned slaughter of an innocent, genocide, slavery, or thought policing. That is NOT love.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 If we accept that morals are objective than by necessity they must apply to everyone capable of moral judgment, including any kind of god. If morals are subjective and mutable than there is no reason to follow god's morality over any other. Authority or power does not equal morality. It could be argued that god's morality SHOULDN'T be emulated, that a god would have no real concept of human morality, anymore that we would be able to dictate the morality of ants.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm I believe morals are objective and that God is always righteous.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 If you hold that morals are objective, then by definition they MUST apply across the board. Meaning if it's morally wrong to kill, then it is wrong for everyone, including god. There may be times when killing can be justified, defending your life for instance, but justification doesn't make it moral. On what grounds COULD a god justify killing? Consequently you cannot claim that god is always moral or even righteous.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm God can justify killing as judgement. It's lawful. Everyone has sinned therefore anyone is open for God's judgement at any time unless they have sincerely asked for forgiveness and repented. God is always righteous, but also faithful to forgive those who are sorry and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 "God can justify killing as judgement." Simply calling it something doesn't make it justified. In Africa they think they're justified in killing small girls accused of witchcraft, but that doesn't make it right, moral, or just. It's also unjust and immoral to hold a person accountable for the "sins" of their ancestors. Applying the same punishment equally regardless of infraction or circumstance isn't justice it's totalitarian.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 "God is always righteous..." This can only be true if morals are subjective to the whim of your capricious god. If the god of the bible is real and morals are truly objective than said god CANNOT be considered moral. One law for the ruler and another for the ruled is not objective morality. As I've said before Might does not make right and authority does NOT equal moral superiority. A superior being must lead by example and YHWH's example is monstrous at best.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm God is righteous and morals are objective. God doesn't have laws for Himself, He doesn't need any. YHWH isn't monstrous, but ok that's your opinion. I'd think "love thy God with all thy being" and "love thy neighbor as thyself" is pretty moral.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
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@oscarmarin1995 "God is righteous and morals are objective."This statement cannot be true. Unless slaughtering pregnant women and enslaving children is moral?
"God doesn't have laws for Himself, He doesn't need any." If morality is truly objective it doesn't matter what he needs or wants, that morality still applies to god as much as anyone else.
"YHWH isn't monstrous..." He commands Genocide(1 Sam 15:3) and the slaughter pregnant women and babies(Hosea 13:16). Monstrous? Check!
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 I agree that the "Everyone has sinned" construct is so useful, especially when your deity goes about condemning non-christian to eternal torment.. (including children).. a quick question.. where is it written in your god's laws (or expressed explicitly) that insane or mentally challenged individuals are exempt from his/her/its wrath?
daNDayati 1 week ago
@daNDayati I don't think God sends children non-believers to hell. They don't think like older people do.
It's not written about mentally challenged/insane people facing any wrath of God. But we know that the majority can't think clearly. So because they can't think clearly, I think God has mercy on them.
Mental insanity could also sometimes be a consequence of sin. God afflicted Nebuchadnezzar with zoanthropy in Daniel 4:31-33 to discipline him. Demons can also cause mental illness
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 Justify infinite punishment for finite crimes.
heavymetaldeath4life 5 days ago
@daNDayati Of course, mental illness can also just be chemical imbalances and stuff like that and be man made.. I don't really know much about it. I'm sure God would have mercy on the mentally ill though and I'd think they would seek God, but that's just my opinion
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 "God would have mercy on the mentally ill though" You need to be mentally ill to believe in god.
Waustvanput 1 day ago
@Waustvanput No. I'm not mentally ill and I believe in God. There's only 1 person I know that is an atheist out of like 50. Even Dawkins himself has become agnostic.
oscarmarin1995 1 day ago
@oscarmarin1995 That's probably because if they would say they were atheist nobody would talk to them again.
Religion is a mental illness from long ago and it keeps on going because people like to be kept in line.
It is nothing more then a way to keep people conform to your own idea's.
And where did you get the idea that Dawkins is agnostic?
People still need to be mentally ill to believe in god
Waustvanput 1 day ago
@Waustvanput "People still need to be mentally ill to believe in god" Where in earth did you get that logic from? All that is is prejudice
Dawkins being agnostic is in the Telegraph. co. uk , he used to believe belief in a God was delusional. Now he's saying God is possible
oscarmarin1995 21 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 You probably don't understand what he is saying or have you ever heard that statement? He is a scientist. Meaning that if there is no evidence for something it doesn't automatically make it wrong. Meaning that Dawkins cannot be 100% sure god does not exist. he says at a scale from 1-7 1 meaning god exist and 7 he doesnt. He calls himself a 6. Which he already stated in a book he wrote a couple of years ago.
Religion is nothing more then sheepherding.
Herding the mentally ill
Waustvanput 20 hours ago
@Waustvanput Excuse me 6.9
Quote from the article on telegraph . co . uk
“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,”
"Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs" -Richard Dawkins
Meaning he doesn't really changes his mind.
Learn to read the entire article and not just headlines.
What you are doing is nothing more then saying something without knowing the background. You probably never read the entire bible now did you?
Waustvanput 20 hours ago
@Waustvanput I did read the whole thing. I didn't know when he wrote the god delusion that he was 6.9 out 7 sure of his disbelief.
No I haven't read the entire Bible yet
Sorry but religion doesn't = mentally ill. What do you believe?
oscarmarin1995 20 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Then you need to read the article again and the entire bible. I've done it and it sure helps in NOT believing. Google Dawkins telegraph. co . uk you will find it.
Religion = mental illness. People do the must fd-up shit in -put some random god name here- name.
Waustvanput 20 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 I don't believe in god(s). I am an Atheist. Who sees people at their last stage of life.
No loving god would give a girl at the age of 20 Ovarian cancer now would he?
But he would kill you if you work on his holy day.
Exodus 31:15 If you see your neighbor working on sunday, kill him
Waustvanput 20 hours ago
@Waustvanput "No loving god would give a girl at the age of 20 Ovarian cancer now would he?" I wouldn't know that.
"But he would kill you if you work on his holy day. Exodus 31:15" That law was for Israel before Christ. Jesus has freed Christians from the Law (the ceremonial law). Colossians 2:16 - Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
oscarmarin1995 19 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law...” (Matthew 5:17-18) This sounds more like he is not on earth to abolish them so im pretty sure they still count for christians.
He will kill 42 children if you call his prophet bald. 2 Kings 2:24
Waustvanput 19 hours ago
@Waustvanput Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” - Matthew 22:37-40
The kids were probably wicked. They were shouting at him to leave and taunting him for no reason.
oscarmarin1995 19 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 "The kids were probably wicked" Right... Wickedness is a reason to kill people? You forget he is all-powerfull? HE CAN CURE THEM!
Would you cure people or kill them?
If you go with kill you are mentally ill and follow god
If you answer cure you are not mentally ill and maybe there is hope.
So by saying these two commandments are the most important the other ones don't matter anymore?
So laws about stealing don't count because laws about murder are more important?
Waustvanput 19 hours ago
@Waustvanput Well, it was different back then. I wouldn't kill them for that, but it was different then. God probably had them go to heaven so they could be cured. I don't know man.
I'm not mentally ill, we just don't agree on beliefs.
Stealing and murder isn't loving your neighbor or God and it's morally wrong.
Do you believe there is evil?
oscarmarin1995 19 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Evil is a concept only known to man. Someone is evil if they do something to you that you think is bad. But in there eyes it is good.
It was different back then?? What the f is that for argument? Same meaning as god works in mysterious ways.
"god probably had them go to heaven" He made bears kill them... Not a nice way to go.
Could he do it in a much nicer softer way? yeah he could. He made adam sleep and then removed a rib.. if he can do that.. why kill the boys with bears?
Waustvanput 19 hours ago
@Waustvanput Sorry, I don't have all the answers man
So you believe objective morality? Where does it come from?
oscarmarin1995 18 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 You do know that shouting bible verses is not the way to be right do you? xD or even some single form of evidence that god did it? It can be a fairytale from long ago.
Believing the universe made itself is called the big bang theory. Not the tv show but the scientific theory.
Morality is society based. Look at africa. different culture different morals.
Morality is not given by a divine being.
Waustvanput 18 hours ago
@Waustvanput KCA
1. Everything that has a beginning has a cause
2. The universe has a beginning
3. The universe has a cause
oscarmarin1995 19 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 The cause of the universe.. Hmmz god - allah - Thor - Odin - Zeus - Juju up the mountain?
If everything has a beginning.. Then what created The very first beginning? Which in this 3-step argument is not achievable.
Waustvanput 19 hours ago
@Waustvanput I wasn't arguing for a particular god with the KCA. I was arguing for a Creator.
"If everything has a beginning.. Then what created The very first beginning? Which in this 3-step argument is not achievable. " God created time. God doesn't have a beginning, therefore He doesn't have a cause.
oscarmarin1995 19 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 So you say god made the universe
You could also say the universe made itself. Meaning no creator.
And if there were such thing as a creator why would he care so much about your love that he would murder his own son?
Waustvanput 19 hours ago
@Waustvanput Believing the universe made itself would take more faith than believing in a Creator. It's like a painting painting itself or a watch creating itself
God's love is unconditional, yet He is righteous to judge evil. He gave His Only begotten Son so we could have life. God didn't murder Jesus, the Jews and Romans did, but Christ took our sins for us according toFather's will. They caused Him excruciating pain, He said "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
oscarmarin1995 19 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 didn't god needed his son's death to forgive you? So he LET the romans and jews kill his son. Just so he could forgive you.
That means he didn't stop them from killing his son.Is he all-powerfull? yes.but he didn't do shit which makes him in a court guilty of murder in the 123412nd degree? dunno which one.
And since he is all-powerfull. Why didn't he just forgive us WHY the sacrifice?
Would you kill your son if another man hits you in the face?
The mentally ill would.
Waustvanput 18 hours ago
@Waustvanput Sins have to be judged like breaking the law has to be judged, except blood pays for sins. Maybe that's new to you, but it's what I believe. Jesus was the final sacrifice. It can't be like "no punishment for sin." That would be like "no punishment for crimes".
If the big bang really happened, then what caused it?
"Morality is society based. Look at africa. different culture different morals." So if someone in a different culture says rape is okay, then it's okay?
oscarmarin1995 18 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 The cause of the big bang is unknown. Maybe there is no cause.
Why do sins have to be paid in blood? If you know please tell. If there is a bible verse please do quote.
If it is okay in their culture it wouldn't be rape. In their mind it would be having sex like normal.
Viewing someone else his/her culture is always an absurdity.
Kissing a female on the cheek as a man can be a crime.
Kissing a man on the cheek as a man be a sign of respect.
Do you call those okay?
Waustvanput 17 hours ago
@Waustvanput "Would you kill your son if another man hits you in the face?" No. That's a strawman
oscarmarin1995 18 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 And it shows your ignorance
oscarmarin1995 18 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 That is not a strawman. That is the thing your god would do. Someone does not love him AKA slap him in the face. He kills his own son to forgive the guy who just slapped him.
Waustvanput 17 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Incapable of understanding the meaning of the argument doesn't make it a strawman.
The argument means that Your GOD DID IT. He murdered his own son just to let someone else love him and stop hurting him.
Waustvanput 17 hours ago
@Waustvanput I don't have enough faith to believe that over millions or billions of years ago that there some random accident that made earth and earth eventually got life for some mysterious reason.
The Father planned it, but He didn't murder Him.
I understood your argument, it's just really fallacious.
So if the USA legalized rape, the rapists could be released and rape anyone without consent and get no punishment, that would still be okay?
oscarmarin1995 14 hours ago
@Waustvanput It's in Leviticus that the shedding of blood is atonement for sins. The price for sin has always been blood. Adam and Eve were told that if they sinned, they would surely die. The didn't die right away, but they died a spiritual death, and later, they died a physical death. The penalty of sin -- right from the point of creation -- is death.
oscarmarin1995 14 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Leviticus you don't say? Old testament law is still enforced? So some laws still count and some don't? I thought with the coming of jesus those laws were just laws for the jews?
The faith needed for an invisible allmighty allknowing timeless father figure who creates men in his own image is easier then the galaxy being formed by physics?
It also requires less faith to believe in noah and such according to you then is it not?
Waustvanput 6 hours ago
@Waustvanput Throughout the history of the Jewish people, they had to sacrifice an animal to atone for their sins. The sacrifice wasn't permanent. It had to be made again and again and again.
The only acceptable payment for a human life is another life. Jesus, as fully human, is capable of paying the price for the sin in your life. As fully God, he's capable of paying the price again and again for every life.
oscarmarin1995 14 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Then why isn't Jesus still burning in hell today?
RaynorGo 10 hours ago
@RaynorGo Because He conquered the grave, He was sinless and is the Son of God.
Shedding of blood is atonement for sins
oscarmarin1995 8 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Then he sacrificed nothing and deserves no worship.
And if your god really was all-powerful, he could choose to forgive people without demanding a gruesome sacrifice of blood.
RaynorGo 6 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Can you even comprehend the fact that god (this loving figure) needs human blood to be appeased for your silly sins? It sounds more like he is some serial killer. Instead of doing the killing himself he lets other people do it :)
Waustvanput 6 hours ago
@Waustvanput His sacrifice is permanent, not something that has to be repeated the way the Jews had to do
oscarmarin1995 14 hours ago
@Waustvanput He was prophesied in Isaiah 50:6 - I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
And Isaiah 53:7 - He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
There's other ones too
oscarmarin1995 18 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 That's a fallacy - saying that because every part of the universe has a cause, the universe itself must have a cause. It's like saying that because all the bricks in a house are small, the house itself must be small.
likewhatijustsaid 16 hours ago
@likewhatijustsaid No. It's known to the scientific community that the universe has a beginning, therefore the universe has a cause.
oscarmarin1995 14 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 "1. Everything that has a beginning has a cause"
If beginning means comes from previous material, i.e. creatio ex materia; material is caused to form something. We have never seen anything come into being from nothing, so we can't say if happens or has a cause.
"2. The universe has a beginning"
This must be either "ex materia", which means something existed prior, which makes no sense; or "ex nihilo" which 1 hasn't proved needs a cause.
#3 Not proved by 1 or 2
foxfireman188 15 hours ago
@foxfireman188 Good one... I think it's ex nihilo, it could have a cause.
oscarmarin1995 14 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 Actually, no - Dawkins is an atheist. Atheism and Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. Agnosticism is a statement of certainty. Saying with 100% certainty that there is no god is a faith based statement. Agnostic Atheism is the more common form of atheism (because we don't have faith), just as Gnostic Theism is the more common form of theism.
Learn the lingo, please.
Mnementh2230 1 day ago
@Mnementh2230 Dawkins used to say belief in God is delusional, now he says it's possible for God to exist. Sounds like he kind of changed his beliefs...
oscarmarin1995 21 hours ago
@oscarmarin1995 "Even Dawkins himself has become agnostic."
Richard Dawkins has always been an agnostic, because he has never claimed to have knowledge about God.
TheAikenHead 20 hours ago
@pandorachild Today if a man kills a family and robs them of everything then he gets judged by the law. If we sin and don't repent we get judged. Simple. God doesn't break rules
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@pandorachild What kind of justice are you for? No judgement for crimes? No prison or capital punishment? What kind of person lets immorality run rampant?
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 there is no evidence that anyone ever served as governor of the same consular province twice in the whole of Roman history, so it would have been extremely unusual and quite remarkable--so much so that it would be odd that no one mentions it, not even Josephus, or Tacitus who gives us the obituary of Quirinius in Annals 3.48, a prime place to mention such a peculiar accomplishment. It is certainly unheard of.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 However, many scholars see a contradiction, in that while the Gospel of Matthew places Jesus' birth under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC, the Gospel of Luke also dates the birth ten years after Herod's death during the census of Quirinius.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild The date of Herod's death is debatable but there is considerable evidence pointing to 1 B.C.E. The registration which took place under Quirinius in 6 or 7 was actually the second one. Inscriptions discovered around Antioch reveal that he served as the emperor's legate earlier. He was governor twice. His first governorship was probably between 3 and 2 B.C.E.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 "The registration...under Quirinius in 6 or 7 was...the second one. ...He was governor twice." Unfortunately this doesn't jive as the governors before and after Quirinius are known. Even IF Quirinius was in some position other than governor prior to the census in 6/7ce no record of a prior census exists and there was no practice in the Roman Empire of requiring people to returning to an ancestral city for a census.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm damn you beat me to the punch : (
pandorachild 1 week ago
@ReverendWyrm That doesn't mean the assertion is false
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
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@oscarmarin1995 "That doesn't mean the assertion is false" Actually it does. We know who was Gov. of Syria before and after Quirinius, that there was no practice in Rome requiring travel to one's natal city, that there is NO RECORD of any kind of general census EVER taking place under Augustus, no Roman census took place in Judea during the reign of Herod, and IF such a census had taken place some historian of the time would have recorded something about such an innovation.
ReverendWyrm 1 week ago 2
@oscarmarin1995 Some have tried to reconcile Matthew and Luke by inventing a second governorship of Quirinius, placing it in the reign of Herod the Great. However, we have no evidence at all that Quirinius served as governor of Syria twice, much less that he did so when Herod was king of Judaea. Moreover, no one ever governed the same province twice in the whole of Roman history, making the very proposal implausible.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 There is no way to rescue the Gospels of Matthew and Luke from contradicting each other on this one point of historical fact. The contradiction is plain and irrefutable, and stands as proof of the fallibility of the Bible, as well as the falsehood of at least one of the two New Testament accounts of the birth of Jesus.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild So Luke got it right when he says this first registration took place when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Luke 2:2: "This was the FIRST census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria."
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@pandorachild it's bullshit huh? how do you know? where you around at the supposed time of the noahic flood? absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence. it's at least possible.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@pandorachild Since Gilgamesh is clearly a fabrication and since the Genesis flood account has been confirmed with present-day observation and facts, we know that the biblical flood account is correct. We also know that Moses penned the flood account from a reliable source. If the Babylonian author based his story on the truth, he deliberately changed it to reflect certain gods and ideas of his choosing that contradicted the truth, logic, and science.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 its has been confirmed? By whom Idiot creationists? Where is the evidence.
Next time try a scientific source with evidence.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild It's been confirmed to be scientifically plausible, yes by Creationists, but you shouldn't be a narrow-minded bigot.
I'm sure if you're intelligent enough you can look for yourself and figure it out for yourself if it's possible.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 hahah that's rich a creationist calling me a bigot. How is Gilgamesh a fabrication but genesis is literal? The flood in the bible is bullshit and there is no evidence to support it, lets see your facts and observations.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@oscarmarin1995 I am curious , why do you think Gilgamesh is a fabrication yet the exact same story appears in the bible thousands of years later and you consider it fact.
pandorachild 1 week ago
@pandorachild I already explained that Gilgamesh is impossible based on the story itself. The boat wouldn't have floated and there are differences between it and the flood in Genesis.
“Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east…” (Genesis 2:8) and, 'Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field…' (Genesis 2:19 with emphasis added), it is clearly seen that chapter 2 states that the plants and animals were formed before Adam.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@pandorachild When Adam named the animals (Genesis 2:20), they obviously were already in existence. There is no contradictory significance in the order of animals listed in Genesis 2:20; it is probably the order in which Adam met the animals, while the order of their creation is given in Genesis 1:20-25
The purpose of Genesis 2:18-25 is not to give another account of creation but to show that there was no kinship whatsoever between Adam and the animals.
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@pandorachild None was like him, and so none could provide fellowship or companionship for him. Why not? Because Adam had not evolved from them, but was 'a living soul' whom God had created 'in His own image' (Genesis 2:7 and 1:27). This means (among other things) that God created Adam to be a person whom He could address, and who could respond to and interact with Him. Here, as in many other places, the plain statements of the Bible confront and contradict the notion of human evol
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
@pandorachild 5) The subsequent ice age was a result of the effects of the biblical flood. Even evolutionists agree on an ice age. They simply have a different date for its occurrence and its duration.
6) Here is a great web site that takes the biblical flood account and reveals its effects on the Earth and how we still see them, today. Link: w w w . evan wiggs . c o m / articles / fountain . html
oscarmarin1995 1 week ago
Xam, understand that much of science is not only based in the natural world, but as the information and knowledge originates from mind over matter.
DemocraticEmpire 1 week ago
@DemocraticEmpire And what I am trying to say is there is no proof of this paranormal or spiritual (Which ever you prefer) claim you want to present
Magic is not science
Nor does it exist
xam10000hehe 1 week ago
So how's this whole DMCA thing coming along?
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
BigBangNeverHappend is a troll.. He's just fucking with you people.. Stop falling for it..
JesterAzazel 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Is this not a petty issue? I'm genuinely curious.
DanielSchaffiro 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Is this not a petty issue? I'm genuinely curious.
DanielSchaffiro 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Is this not a petty issue? I'm genuinely curious.
DanielSchaffiro 2 weeks ago
Is this not a petty issue? I'm genuinely curious.
DanielSchaffiro 2 weeks ago
Is this not a petty issue? I'm genuinely curious.
DanielSchaffiro 2 weeks ago
atheists are wankers
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend why?
TearsOfWar1 2 weeks ago
@TearsOfWar1 Altheists are full of self pitty.
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend
One has to appreciate the fine sense of irony when people call atheists wankers and full of self-pity when they are as much trusted as rapists and forbidden to hold positions of any kind of political, whilst fundie Christians claim oppression and persecution whenever someone merely tells them they are wrong.
laflugantabastardo 2 weeks ago
@laflugantabastardo Thanks for proving my point. Atheists are full of self pitty.
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend
I was pointing out some irony. Do you mean to tell me that it is not true?
laflugantabastardo 2 weeks ago
@laflugantabastardo Still the self pitty is overwhelming
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend
Really?
laflugantabastardo 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend Did you know that jesus was the source of herpes?
mmmmmarcus 2 weeks ago
@mmmmmarcus Doubt it.
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend Okay, I was kidding. God's the source of herpes. you lose.
mmmmmarcus 2 weeks ago
@mmmmmarcus Prove it.
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend You just activated my trap card!! I dont have to prove it, because I KNOW IT'S TRUE. LOLOL!! Enemy creatard fainted! Gained 0 EXP!!
mmmmmarcus 2 weeks ago
@mmmmmarcus
there is no sufficient evidence to assume the existence of god or gods. Let alone he/she/it caused herpes.
BigBangNeverHappend 2 weeks ago
@BigBangNeverHappend How do i make sandvich?
mmmmmarcus 2 weeks ago
I see 65 of "Dr" Craigs' sheep have been here. And they're pissed you don't share in their delusions! I'd cry in my beer but I don't want to ruin good beer.
Talamasca124 2 weeks ago
Looks like thunderfoot is going to lost this one "0
acceptjesusorburn 2 weeks ago
@acceptjesusorburn Only if you're a narrow minded bigot with blinders on. Peace be with you. You will find none in any Abrahamic religion.
Talamasca124 2 weeks ago
@Talamasca124
Don't know what your talking about sorry, it seems drcraigvideos is now linked and featured on the reasonablefaith website, with a disclaimer at the end of each video stating "the copywrite of this material is owned by william lane craig.
I can't see thunderfoot taking down drcraigvideos channel anytime soon, after all why hasn't thunderfoots video been restored yet? just stating the facts, doesn't bother me either way.
acceptjesusorburn 2 weeks ago
@acceptjesusorburn And you never will see what anyone is talking about that speaks outside the realm of your blinders. Keep your head in the sand and the big, bad world of reality will never touch you. 2000 y/o wisdom from an 800 y/o goat herder that led a million and a half people around a desert for 40 years makes such compelling life lessons. How the rest of the world doesn't swallow your particular brand of delusion is beyond anyone but you.
Talamasca124 2 weeks ago
@Talamasca124
U mad bro? i was commenting on the copywrite issues, no point trolling at me, although i know 'tis the life you atheists lead.
acceptjesusorburn 2 weeks ago
@acceptjesusorburn How does one be mad at willful, self-imposed ignorance?
Talamasca124 2 weeks ago
@Talamasca124
One gets mad by trying to defend tf00t.
acceptjesusorburn 2 weeks ago
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xam10000hehe 1 week ago
its been 2 weeks since the DMCA, shouldn't it have been restored by now?
atheistcommonsense 2 weeks ago
@oscarmarin1995 pretty fucking petty isnt it, some god
atheistcommonsense 2 weeks ago
The channel is actually by a young enthusisiastic WLC brown-noser, not WLC himself. It's a ridiculous little channel..any criticism od WLC is blocked, the owner of the channel rarely answers philosophically, he'll instead say: "WLC explains that, explains all your questions, your just too dumb to understand my master WLC. "Now, where's my "gimp-suit",WLC is coming over tonight".. Hihi, the last bit I added myself, but you guys get the idea of what the channel is like.: )
winterstellar 3 weeks ago
@winterstellar Sorry about the typos, it's the middle of the night here!: )
winterstellar 3 weeks ago
Atheism is still wrong.
RandomlyAnimated 3 weeks ago
@RandomlyAnimated why do you have evidence to prove any god exists?
If you dont, which Im sure you dont, then atheism is RIGHT. Since all theists not just the Christians have NOT provided ANY evidence or arguments, I find it hard to believe that you will accomplish this Miracle .
pandorachild 3 weeks ago
@pandorachild Would you die for Atheism? Can YOU prove atheism is completely accurate???
RandomlyAnimated 2 weeks ago
@RandomlyAnimated Cant help but notice you didnt offer any evidence and resorted to asking a question instead. I will repeat it,
Do you have evidence to prove any gods exists?
Atheism is a disbelief in your claims so I would say NO I wont die for your inability to prove your claim and I will take it one step further, what does dying for something have to do with the truth?
pandorachild 2 weeks ago
@RandomlyAnimated Your supposed logic is at the most basic level, flawed. I am not a stamp collector. How do I 'prove' that?
Atheists simply choose not to share in your delusions yet are treated with less respect than child molesters and rapists. If you consider that Christ-Like, you're more pathetic than anything on the 700 Club.
The only thing your Holy Book gets right is Matthew 5:5. You theistic imbeciles will kill each other over "My God Is Better than Your God".
Talamasca124 2 weeks ago
@Talamasca124 You love to hate on Christians, we're not going anywhere sorry.
RandomlyAnimated 2 weeks ago
@RandomlyAnimated You will once humanity wakes up and realizes gods not real :)
If not by you, then by the "next generations" so the Christian faith can bee snuffed out of existence like it should have a long time ago ^_^
xam10000hehe 1 week ago
@RandomlyAnimated Au cont rare' I don't hate anyone. It's the willful, self imposed ignorance I hate. You'll learn the difference when blind obedience isn't your sole purpose in life like I did.
Talamasca124 1 week ago
@RandomlyAnimated Um yes we can prove it....I don't believe because, I don't believe God is how everything how it all began
You can't PROVE "none belief" its a natural response
What your looking for is can you prove evolution? cosmology? Athiesm is a "status" nothing more, nothing less
xam10000hehe 1 week ago