I do not support military or war, but all these ideals are for fucking pussies with hurt vaginas that cannot stand on their own two feet and need someone to protect them from all the stuff they don't understand and are afraid of. fucking pussies
All White nations of Europe and North America are under siege and in grip of Jacobin Communism. De-program yourself by understanding that Leninist-Marxism/Communism is principally opposed to morally and ethno-politically superior European racial cohesion. Communism was invented and promoted by Jews-- the eternal enemy of Caucasoid humanity-- to oppress and destroy by retrogressive social engineering and miscegenation/integration/white guilt propaganda.
If any of you capitalist lovers researched it you would clearly see that Cuba, Russia, China, Yugoslavia and even N. Korea have done better under communism than they every did under capitalism and imperialism. If you think communism has done nothing for this country then go back to your plantation in the south and beat your slaves....Oh wait you can't. Just as you can't discriminate against women or minorities without a hell of a lot of trouble.
@PyroPredator Cuba wont let the michael moore healthcare movie to show because the people will want it. Cuba is opening to capitalism because they are broke and the entrepreneurs will have a shot if they can get inventory or product. Union and organized labor greed and inflated values is what brought down the US and I am voting to split the country because I dont want any part of your communism. All can equally kiss my big broad behind, I am for equal opportunity not equal outcome.
@Hiheels1000 Cuba is going under because the US won't allow trade with it. The bully any nation that does try to trade with it away. You are misguided about communism. Communism IS equal opportunity and NOT equal outcome, whatever that really means. In a capitalist society noone can have equal opportunity because the rich will always have more opportunity than the poor kid in the inner city or out in a small town. Socialism and ultimately Communism, is a form of government where people are...
@Hiheels1000 TRULY equal. They have the same opportunities at the beginning of life. They still have the freedom to go into whatever field of work they want to, but education and healthcare are free no matter what day you got sick or which doctor you go to. Education from pre-school to College are free. You choose not to go to college you can get training in a number of public jobs. Its a system for the people, not the politicians. Don't allow ignorance to rule your life simply due to stuborness
@PyroPredator so sorry firekiller but I am a capitalist business owner who lives a happy modest life with the freedom to tell anyone online to kma or out in public. The democratic republic that was established in our constitution and bill of rights is the only way for me. 2012 is custers last stand, vote free or forever commie. I think I found this video off the commieblaster . com webpage . my dad was high ranking security for this country's military bases and I am USA all the way baby
@Hiheels1000 You don't get the point of communism. You are like many people who aren't ignorant out of accident but ignorant out of choice. If it isn't your "freedom" it isn't what you want. The only people who should truly be afraid of the communist are the rich, the top 5% of the US and the big banks and corporations. Their the ones who will lose out. When this country turns red then I hope your still around, for unless you are part of that big group I said, you will benefit just like the rest
@PyroPredator FU firekiller, lmao you think you can persuade me to be on your team.. Give me a country's history showing communism works for the greater good of all equally. You can not because No such place exists. evil hunts the dim witted dont it?? I am a last word personality and if you comment my inbox again I will report you for harrassing.
@Hiheels1000 Well then report me for harrasing. I shall do it to you as well because you started this. You fear us communists that much. Oh and show me a capitalist country that doesn't exploit millions of people just so an elite few can live in EXTREME comfort...I didn't think you'd be able to.
@Hiheels1000 Run and tell. Report for harrasment. Sounds like you need someone to come and rescue you. Get the supervisor to win your battle for you. Sounds like something a communist would do.
Communism will NEVER happen in America. Those freedom hating pigs need to either be deported to North Korea or just get fucking shot. History has PROVEN that it always ends up totalitarian and all aspects of the peoples lives are controlled by the state. THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!
@MegaROCKYDOG Lenin wanted a free Rus'. Where the people would be free of Tsarist rule and would not desire death to starving any more. 9M dead, and 65M wounded in the civil war. The Russian people were slaves to the tsar. The way the people lived in the Rus' empire was so bad that even the cossacks joined the communists. Tsar's first response to the protest phase of the revolution was break out the machine guns. He hoarded food from the people for his army. AKM1917!
@MegaROCKYDOG Communism turns authoritarian cuz of threats by capitalist countries through political attacks or military acts. War against an infant Comm. country leads to a damaged democracy. You can very well see this in N. Korea, The USA and S.Korea fought against it as soon as it came to being. The people needed a strong leader to fight the war and he never gave up his power. Comm. would be more free if the capitalists stop making them cut themselves off from the world to defend themselves.
@bugg255 I am not stupid...How many rounds fit in a PPSH drum? how long was the Versailles ceasefire supposed to last? About how many years is the Islamic calendar off from the Georgian calendar(the one the US uses)? How many years did Germany plan for the Franco-Prussian War? When did the Roman Empire actually fall? What is the name for the roman territory rulers installed by Diocletian? Answer me that! We are smarter than you think. >:)
@warobsessive I'm saying you can't prove it unless you're in a live chat room.Since Youtube does not have one there is no way of knowing if you're a genius or if you're "special".
@rimidalv47 What they don't teach is how many rounds fit in a PPSH. how long the Versaille treaty lasted(cause they don't know it wasn't a peace treaty). What I was trying to get across to the other guy was that communists are not stupid, not that they are smarter than normal people.
@rimidalv47 In communism It is the gov's job to provide jobs for the people and for the people to find work. That's why China has 4.8% unemployed and 5% poor (less than $1.25 per day) compared to the US 9.6% unemployed and 14% poor. Communism is the last resort when big buisness runs the country like a corporation, And The oil companies doom nations cause the president won't obey the CEO of the Nigerian oil companies. China was immune in the recession. While USA shrank 3.2%, China grew 7.5%
@warobsessive You think China is Communist? Have you read the Communist Manifesto? And you do realise you're talking about the U.S right? The U.S honestly.Home of the most idiots in the world,really?
@warobsessive There not one COMMUNIST COUNTRY in the world. It's UTOPIA and who knows might exist in Heaven or whatever. You go to CHINA and visit Beijing or Guandong and see nice life, go somewhere else you see people not having enough. THAT IS NOT COMMUNISM. In COMMUNISM that is not suppose to happen. All attempt at Communism have failed, they all end up TOTALITARIAN RULE. Commusm goal is only met if you achieve PERFECTION. It's the ULTIMATE SOCIETY and it will not happen not on EARTH!!
@Daxlight Cuba, N.Korea, PRC, Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia, are communist. The totalitarian communism was Stalin's, Lenin's was better but only lasted 1 year until his death.
@warobsessive See that's the problem when they try to hide the truth. Cuba, N.Korea, PRC, Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia are not communist. There is no EQUALITY in those countrys. You see RICH people and then see so Poor people. THAT IS NOT COMMUNISM. Communism is a MYTH and when they start to emerge as TOTALITARIAN ,and their ruling class is the most Ruthless people you gonna find.
@rimidalv47 plus, Before the great officer purge the Red army was the most advanced in the world. and USSR was first in space, better harnaced nuclear technology, and China is expected to exeed the US economy in 2030-2040. IT TAKES GENIUS TO DO THAT!
You need to read your scripts yourself. This robotic voice doesn't know where to put the emphasis on syllables or how to inflect the end or beginning of a sentence. It doesn't know how to pause where your commas are or how to differentiate between a comma and a period.
In the old days it was a communist party, but now the CPUSA disavows the armed uprising of the proletariat to seize state power. It advocates that socialism can be achieved through the corrupt electoral system of the bourgeois dictatorship, and voting for Democrats. The bourgeois dictatorship will not hand over the State peacefully. The CPUSA today promotes worthless Menshevikism. Read your Marx, Read your Lenin.
America is the greatest country of all time. America was propelled by capitalism. Therefore capitalism is better than socialism. That's called "check mate," comrade. 14/88.
@Glenn666 we have killed over 1,500,000 innocent iraqi's ! we have been using illegal mexican's and prisoners to clean up the catastraphe in the gulf ! i don't know what your point is ..? seeing as you really didn't make one .. just keep flying the the flag you inbred ,reabagger !
@beats1969 I believe in The Democratic Republic of the United States. You should read the Constitution, along with the words and statements made by our founding fathers.
It interests me that workers in America hate communism because they believe that they should be paid for their own work. What I do not understand is why they believe they are being paid for their own work in the first place. Their wages are controlled by capitalist task masters, who are only interested in maximum profits. Look at the trend; we work harder, they make more, our wages continue down. How is this fair pay for honest work? They are just getting a pittance to be kept quiet.
@sfmike20 Communism is each according ability – each according need. Who do you think is going to decide what your abilities are, who is going to decide what your needs are, I doubt it’ll be you. Socialism is the same except you replace need with deed. Which means only good party members get cars, how do you become a good party member? Usually by turning someone in to the secret police.
@sfmike20 In the socialist world you own the factory, but you fail to realize that someone has to clean the shit from the toilets and that person would probably be paid the same amount as the guard at the gate who sits on his ass. Now who decides who cleans the shit and who guards the gate.
@jjooboo, it would be egalitarian. I think you missed my point about everyone owning the factory in common. We would all clean the shit, and we would all guard the gate, assuming that the gate needs guarding when everyone owns it. The whole point of communism is to reach a state of voluntary anarchy on a communal scale, or anarchosyndicalism as some call it. Now, what about my point that the current system facilitates lowering wages, and increasing work hours for the laborers?
@sfmike20 Not everyone is going to want to clean up other peoples shit and the shit cleaners are going to want to sit in an office. Inevitably this system has already proven to produce one overwhelming underclass across every country that has adopted it, this system removes the value of a human being, right and wrong become something mandated by the state. Haven’t you noticed that every country that tries this stuff ends up killing people very easily?
@MrSteveParr Your assuming they have a choice...lol No but seriously, there are factories in the U.S. that workers have purchased and govern together with equal shares and profits. That would be an ideal system. Tell me that you wouldn't want to recieve an equal share of the factories profits. The motivation is obvious, the harder you work the more profit the factory makes, and your pay goes up. Why should the majority of profits go to one man just because he has his name on a piece of paper?
@groam6666 Its not just his name on a piece of paper, if he owns the business it is his. My grandfather owned 3 barbershops and took the lions share. Why? Because they belonged to him. If you and the people you work with want to try and negotiate and purchase from your boss then go for it. But if does not want to sell what do you do?
@MrSteveParr In a communist system, people would not have a choice to sell businesses, because they would be forced to give it to the workers and assume an equal share in the business as everyone else. There is no such thing as private property in that fashion. In the American system, if he does not want to sell then oh well. If he does, then the workers can divide the profits evenly amounst each other. They vote on all business matters. It is democracy at the workplace. who wouldn't like it?
@groam6666 5th Amendment "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." Being forced to GIVE a business he/she has built from the ground up to a bunch of people that have NO money invested into it without compensation? That is theft.
Your argument seems to be that everyone would benefit from socialism. yes the workers might benefit in the scenario you laid out, but the original factory owner, forced to give up his business, is essentially being robbed.
@electio538politicus You are correct, the factory owners would loose their property. I don't see why 30% of Americans can make around 80% of the countries wealth and the 70% of you, me and everyone else can only get 10%. Is that not stealing, or do morals dictate that that is best for society. Those poor factory owners, would still try and crush unions if they could, pay you less if they could, less benefits for your family if they could etc. Why on earth would you support the owner?
People support the owner for 2 reasons. 1. The owner is in that position for a reason: he worked to get there. That is respectable; plus taking him out of the picture is throwing away the effort he put into his life. 2. People like to imagine that they could be the owner one day. That's the American dream and it is what motivated and will motivate the people of America.
@electio538politicus That is a theory. The American dream? Dude, the majority of people are poor. Corporations run rampant and bought politicians. The majority of the working class wish they could unionize, but instead get threated by their employers if they try. People imagine to be the owner one day yes but the odds are stacked against you, obviously. If I work, I want a damn equal share for my skills. I dont want to be payed along with the workers the 10% overall profits 1 man made. Fuck that
@MrSteveParr, no one does. People just need to migrate away from private ownership, into cooperatives, and run private industry out of business. This is, of course, a process that would take several generations, and is by no means feasible by tomorrow. I think that if we started this trend today-- a trend that was beginning in the early 20th century but collapsed from the cold war scare-- we could have this system in 100 years or so, peaceably attained I might add.
@sfmike20 You communists are chasing a pipe dream. People are not just going to give up what is rightfully theirs. I know I wont. I might sell you my business but I will never give it away. Besides, this notion of EQUAL share of profits would fall apart in short time when R&D gets tired of a high school dropout janitor is bringing home the same pay they are. Any moron can put a sheet of steel into a punch press and push a button but a CEO carries a company on his shoulders.
@MrSteveParr, I know right? It is amazing that the capitalist system started to crash only a few decades after it was instituted in the late nineteenth century. As for your comment on the progressive movement starting in the twentieth century, you are entirely incorrect. Read the works of Jefferson, and Thomas More. These ideas were alive and well prior to Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations".
@sfmike20 “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson
@MrSteveParr, how quickly did you find this quote on the internet? You need to read all the works of Jefferson to realize how opposed he was to the idea that conglomerates could own things, and have the rights of private citizens. I have said nothing about taking from an individuals privately accrued "fruits". I am not even sure what you are trying to prove with this quote.
@sfmike20 I know how Jefferson viewed monopolies and the rights of corporations. He and Madisons views did not win the day. He also knew nothing of the labor union. How do you think he would view a labor union contributing to political candidates? I would venture to say not in high regard.
@sfmike20 To remember Sir Thomas More would serve me ill. This is America and Americans need not look across the pond for guidance and direction. We need only to look back and remember those that gave us our country, those that formed it. Sure, the idea of wealth redistribution has existed long before 1900 but not here.
@MrSteveParr, it absolutely did exist here. Even Adam Smith thought that capitalism was only useful insofar as it created equality of condition. He felt that his theory would eventually create a society that was so equal that the trappings of authority would be superfluous. As for those that gave us our country, many of them had purely democratic, non republic that is, ideals mixed with a kind of protosocialistic ideology.
@sfmike20 Even Adam Smith? Even? Really? Even? - It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. - Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things. -
@sfmike20 The real and effectual discipline which is exercised over a workman is that of his customers. It is the fear of losing their employment which restrains his frauds and corrects his negligence. - The real tragedy of the poor is the poverty of their aspirations. - all spoken by Adam Smith
@sfmike20 Smith told us about the invisible hand, stating that self interest guides the most efficient used of the resources of a nation and public welfare is a byproduct of this. He argued that state and personal efforts, to promote social good are ineffectual compared to unbridled market forces. Not quite the liberal you make him out to be.
@sfmike20 Now stop telling me what people from other countries who never made policy in America thought about wealthy people. Smith never even visited America so he had no experience with liberty be it personal or economic. Land owners in Scotland and England acquired their land through inheritance. Now tell me, what signers of our constitution held similar views to that of Smith?
@MrSteveParr, that is my point. None of them held the views of Smith. Since none of them held the views of Smith, none of them were capitalist. That is what I have been saying. That being said, Smith's capitalism was very different from the capitalist theory of today. My point in referencing him was to show that the architect of capitalist theory would not even support what people have done in it's name. I think you are confusing what I am trying to say here.
@sfmike20 It existed in Rome and Greece. Their democracies were afoul with it. How’d that turn out for them? What you want is the polar opposite of what America is supposed to be. Your goal is rule of man and this is a countries designed to be ruled by law.
@MrSteveParr, it turned out rather well for Rome and Greece, seeing as how both societies lasted longer than our own. Their ultimate demise was due to wealth inundating their government, and had nothing to do with liberalism. They actually did far better in the beginnings of their democracies when things like private ownership of vast amounts of land was nonexistent. As for your rule of man remark, that is utter bullshit. What I want is not incompatible with Locke's beliefs at all.
@sfmike20 Ancient Greece was a welfare state by the time Phillip showed up. All in all from the 510BC formation of Athenian democracy to Phillip taking over the whole country in 338BC was 172 years. As for Rome, they spent themselves into massive debt on social programs and in the end they could not tax the citizenry enough to pay for all of it. Rome being a republic that was fouled by too much democracy last far longer.
@sfmike20 My point is that there is no way to get to communal ownership of the means of production without revolution and the subsequent seizure of private property.
@MrSteveParr, not overnight, and probably not in the next 50-100 years, but I think that this is the ideal that we need to strive for, and that will create a better, less jealous and greedy society.
@sfmike20 You don’t get it. It will never happen without revolution. I don’t even think it is ideal. Like I said why would some one go to college to get an engineering degree if he/she can push a broom or push a button and get the same amount of money? Not to mention the workers at the plant 5 miles away are going to be jealous of the people that work at you plant because your plant is more profitable and you earn more.
@sfmike20 So what are they to do but have the government step in and take from you to give to them. So now we are back to square one with different groups of people feuding with each other over wealth. No thanks, I would rather do what we have not done for a hundred years and let capitalism reign. Set the rule to the point that prohibits robbery and monopoly and let it run without interference by politicians.
@MrSteveParr, letting it run without interference by politicians was tried in the early nineteen hundreds, and did not work very well for the laborers. For laissez faire capitalism to work, everyone needs to be trustworthy, and we know that they are not. Capitalism creates an environment that necessitates unions, which I do not like, and allows money to enter into the political arena, which creates huge amounts of corruption. Just look at the affect of capitalism in the third world.
@MrSteveParr, the third world is a prime example of global capitalism run amok. Every one of those countries is beholden to the world bank, and their constituent companies. Lets take a look at what happened in Bolivia. They owed huge amounts of money to the world bank, and as a consequence decided to privatize their public services, after an offer of debt forgiveness, with American and European corporations at the helm. You cannot get much more capitalist than that.
@sfmike20 Our free society is still going strong. Communism has fallen. Only a few countries are communist anymore, and they will fall as well after their crazed leaders die. Look at how many cubans come into this country to get away from Castro, and most of them don't want to have anything to do with the left wing of the political spectrum(even though left of center isn't all communist). Look at Kim Jong-il. I could go on and on. Communism doesn't work!
@bjoh249 People started fleeing to the USA from Cuba because the USSR had collapsed and the rest of the world had a trading ban on Cuba and really oppressed them to hell because they had different ideas about how society should be operated. In fact, communism did many great things for Cuba.
All those countries you describe as communist were not communist at all. Their leaders did things that contradict the ideology itself and I suggest you read about communism before making comments like this.
@sfmike20 And the U.S. has been a capitalist nation since at least 1792. The stock exchange was formalized in 1817. the fact is that government intrusion in the free trade system has caused or made worse every stock market/economic crash we have endured. From the 1929 crash being turned into a depression by the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act to our current situation. Weather you realize it or not your point of view is fueled by envy.
@sfmike20 Some people have and will out do your best effort and you want government to step in and prop you up. In a capitalist system people are held accountable to the choices and decisions they make in life and your ilk cant handle that fact. There are no Kings nor Duke nor Earls in America and it is not the place of government to play Robin Hood. The wealthy in America are so because they are smarter than the rest of us. No used denying it or crying about it.
I worked in a union for a long time. Unions are communist. Working hard gets you nothing yet it is expected of you. Lazy people earn just as much as the real workers. They send you magazines and pamphlets that tell you to vote for more Communists in government. Yes, everything is really "fair". When the strong-willed are forced to bend over for the weak-minded. The majority doesn't want Communism. United we stand, divided we fall! = Democratic Republic, Divided we stand, united we fall = Commie
Let me tell you something opacid. What you've experienced is far from communism. If anything, its MARXISM. There is a difference. Besides, the etymology of communism is complete unity. And thats the thing; unless its equal, and unless its united, it's not communism.
My whole point is that equal work for equal pay is great. Unions take out any chance of that. If they stuck to making sure people were treated fairly while allowing harder workers to reap more benefits I think that would be true equality. I don't want to live or work as a collective earning more or less based on the collective and not my own efforts.
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Every time the government tells me there's one more thing I can't do. That's communism. They call capitalism fascism. What's more fascist? The ability to go from poor to wealthy and wealthy to poor, or the government telling you how far you can go? Starting your own business or having the government take over your business? The reason the US is going down the toilet is all the Communist policies.
@ShittyPunkVids Not totally. Recent polls have shown that almost half the US population (roughly) would rather have a Socialist system rather than a Capitalist. That's an improvement from 20 years ago. There is still hope.
I am sorry but you have your facts mixed up, the data showed that roughly 50% of Americans would prefer an economic alternative to capitalism, while roughly 20% said they would prefer socialism and roughly 30% said they aren't sure what the alternative would look like. It's a shame though that the facts don't reflect what you said :/
The number I just found is at 20%, so it must be improving! I am just worried that the support of capitalism that comes with age, is from wisdom of age not just the tradition of that generation. For if the latter is true, we may be forced into a socialism.
@electio538politicus@electio538politicus How doesn't it work? It worked in China, it worked in the Soviet Union, it worked in Cuba, Vietnam, Democratic Korea, etc and it worked well. China was able to industrialize their feudal, third-world country within ten years where it took Capitalism over a hundred. Meanwhile, children went to school while the parents worked. They were guaranteed housing and medical care whenever needed. To say it didn't work is completely ignorant.
I am astounded that you said that: I hope you are joking. First, China was able to industrialize because of Mao's initiatives, which killed 50-70 million people. Killing citizens, from starvation because of communist policies, is not a success whatsoever. The Soviet Union collapsed. Why did you bring it up? It is the best example of what happens to communist countries. Cuba is one of, if not the, poorest countries in the world. Why? Communist policies.
You named a series of failed communisms that didn't even follow the real aspects of socialism, but were totalitarian dictatorships. I am speechless that you would argue that even one of those countries you listed were successes. Communism doesn't work, and it never will. The future can be revealed from the past, so until a communism succeeds, don't hold your breath.
@electio538politicus LOL. "totalitarian" like the how the United States has been for a hundred years now? All of these countries WERE/ARE successes. Communism's first stage, what some call the "Socialist" stage, was a complete success. To quote the great Fidel Castro, if Communism failed, where is the success of Capitalism in Latin America, Asia, and Africa? Communism, is only in it's infancy.
Please, explain how these countries, and their '1st stage' has been a success. To historians, communism managed to destroy th countries you listed, no matter how poised for success they were, eg. Soviet Union. Capitalism has not had a chance to "fix" Latin America, or any of the other listed places, because it was never given a chance. Maybe not socialism, but I think it is safe to assume that communism is falling out of practice.
@electio538politicus The US has suppressed workers movements by killing and jailing its participants, dissolving unions where workers have the appropriate medium to fight for their jobs and higher wages, installing cameras in cities to watch people, actively targeting people who are not white and/or male, and the list goes on and on. I'm surprised you're so naive to this. Capitalism has had it's presence in Latin America for hundreds of years so that's no excuse, they've had PLENTY of chances.
@electio538politicus Capitalism has done everything to suppress positive change in Latin America to guarantee profits. Falling out of practice? What about the Maoists in Nepal? The Naxalites in India? Revolutionary forces in Peru, Colombia, and the Philippians? The biggest opposition forces in the Greek, French, and Spanish struggles currently against austerity measures are Communists. Communism is definitely still relevant and will continue to be for a long time to come.
Unions are not a "good" in the world. They are greedy organizations that have become exactly what they fight against "big, greedy business". In fact, on the basis on the US anti-trust laws, unions should be illegal too. Capitalism is an economic system not connected to "cameras/big brother" or " targeting people" racially. The point is that, while there still may be movements, of which I suspect many prefer socialism to communism, these movements will never again gain power.
@electio538politicus Like I said, Unions are mediums to which people can fight for their jobs, fight prejudices, and improve their workplace from the owners, who do nothing but collect the wealth from the commodities produced or the services that have been done. Unions should be mandatory for all workplaces. Capitalism absolutely is connected to that.. I mean, how naive are you? No one thought successful revolutions would happen in Russia or Cuba but they did. History proves you wrong again.
I agree that capitalism fights unions, in a certain way, I was just disagreeing about the cameras and racism that you said comes along with capitalism. Yes, communist revolutions happened, but not recently and those revolutions destroyed the country in which they were located. Unions are groups of workers enforcing their demands. If those are allowed, why not a trust, a group of companies, or price gouging?
@electio538politicus Communist revolutions drastically improved conditions. You want to see a destroyed nation? Look at modern day Russia but it wasn't destroyed by Communism, it was destroyed because of the free market. A great documentary on that is called: "Death Of A Nation - Russia" and it can be found on Youtube. Your last sentence doesn't make sense.
Where is the proof that communism helped any countries? Maybe the free market killed Russia, but communism killed the Soviet Union in a much gorier death. At least one still lives, unlike the one destroyed by communism. My last sentence was trying to make the point that based on the anti-trust laws of the US, unions should be illegal. They are doing, with laborers, what companies do in a trust.
@Sammyjackson1488 Depends on your idea of "success", if you mean success by building a sustainable centrally planned economy in which social services for everyone, which were the main focus from the get-go, were guaranteed by law, for the first time ever, then yes, Communist countries were a success and continue to be a success. If you consider "success" to be an ideal workers state, then, although better than Capitalist countries, they were not.
Quite the opposite really. It's an ideology founded by workers for the workers to liberate them from the capitalists that own their means of production and their rights to rule over their own working place and life. The lazy one is the one owning a company and profits upon the workers labour.
No, in the majority of the cases, it's someone with alot of money who have bought it and in that way own and controls the company. And you have to define "work hard". How is the owner working harder than the workers? Why can't everyone in the company own equal part and have equal vote? Private ownership is economic dictatorship. Welfare services should be owned by the people (the state) and every other company should run as worker cooperatives.
I do not support military or war, but all these ideals are for fucking pussies with hurt vaginas that cannot stand on their own two feet and need someone to protect them from all the stuff they don't understand and are afraid of. fucking pussies
NoGolfKarts 3 weeks ago in playlist Communists in America
Glenn Beck for President 2012.
zephus3375 3 months ago
@zephus3375 You're joking right? Glenn Beck is a fucking moronic bigot.
madjimms 1 month ago in playlist Communists in America
I'll tell you what... JACKSHIT because they are Commies.
drop it people commies will never control anything.
are party? FUCK U! I'm for the American people before a party! dumb ass commie!
Dogmeat1950 4 months ago
Communisim can suck my balls! I want to be free!!!!!!
wilmot231 4 months ago
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markstarr66 8 months ago
All White nations of Europe and North America are under siege and in grip of Jacobin Communism. De-program yourself by understanding that Leninist-Marxism/Communism is principally opposed to morally and ethno-politically superior European racial cohesion. Communism was invented and promoted by Jews-- the eternal enemy of Caucasoid humanity-- to oppress and destroy by retrogressive social engineering and miscegenation/integration/white guilt propaganda.
WhiteyMcWhiteJr 9 months ago
@WhiteyMcWhiteJr
What's your definition of communism?
Also could you proof this: "All White nations of Europe and North America are under siege and in grip of Jacobin Communism."
pulsatingremedy 8 months ago
If any of you capitalist lovers researched it you would clearly see that Cuba, Russia, China, Yugoslavia and even N. Korea have done better under communism than they every did under capitalism and imperialism. If you think communism has done nothing for this country then go back to your plantation in the south and beat your slaves....Oh wait you can't. Just as you can't discriminate against women or minorities without a hell of a lot of trouble.
PyroPredator 11 months ago
@PyroPredator Cuba wont let the michael moore healthcare movie to show because the people will want it. Cuba is opening to capitalism because they are broke and the entrepreneurs will have a shot if they can get inventory or product. Union and organized labor greed and inflated values is what brought down the US and I am voting to split the country because I dont want any part of your communism. All can equally kiss my big broad behind, I am for equal opportunity not equal outcome.
Hiheels1000 10 months ago
@Hiheels1000 Cuba is going under because the US won't allow trade with it. The bully any nation that does try to trade with it away. You are misguided about communism. Communism IS equal opportunity and NOT equal outcome, whatever that really means. In a capitalist society noone can have equal opportunity because the rich will always have more opportunity than the poor kid in the inner city or out in a small town. Socialism and ultimately Communism, is a form of government where people are...
PyroPredator 10 months ago
@Hiheels1000 TRULY equal. They have the same opportunities at the beginning of life. They still have the freedom to go into whatever field of work they want to, but education and healthcare are free no matter what day you got sick or which doctor you go to. Education from pre-school to College are free. You choose not to go to college you can get training in a number of public jobs. Its a system for the people, not the politicians. Don't allow ignorance to rule your life simply due to stuborness
PyroPredator 10 months ago
@PyroPredator so sorry firekiller but I am a capitalist business owner who lives a happy modest life with the freedom to tell anyone online to kma or out in public. The democratic republic that was established in our constitution and bill of rights is the only way for me. 2012 is custers last stand, vote free or forever commie. I think I found this video off the commieblaster . com webpage . my dad was high ranking security for this country's military bases and I am USA all the way baby
Hiheels1000 10 months ago
@Hiheels1000 You don't get the point of communism. You are like many people who aren't ignorant out of accident but ignorant out of choice. If it isn't your "freedom" it isn't what you want. The only people who should truly be afraid of the communist are the rich, the top 5% of the US and the big banks and corporations. Their the ones who will lose out. When this country turns red then I hope your still around, for unless you are part of that big group I said, you will benefit just like the rest
PyroPredator 10 months ago
@PyroPredator FU firekiller, lmao you think you can persuade me to be on your team.. Give me a country's history showing communism works for the greater good of all equally. You can not because No such place exists. evil hunts the dim witted dont it?? I am a last word personality and if you comment my inbox again I will report you for harrassing.
Hiheels1000 10 months ago
@Hiheels1000 Well then report me for harrasing. I shall do it to you as well because you started this. You fear us communists that much. Oh and show me a capitalist country that doesn't exploit millions of people just so an elite few can live in EXTREME comfort...I didn't think you'd be able to.
PyroPredator 10 months ago
@Hiheels1000 Run and tell. Report for harrasment. Sounds like you need someone to come and rescue you. Get the supervisor to win your battle for you. Sounds like something a communist would do.
NoGolfKarts 3 weeks ago in playlist Communists in America
Sweet fuck all you commies are delusional if you think you have done anything for America...
TheKaos007 11 months ago
@TheKaos007 die you freedom hater
outskool100 11 months ago
microsoft Sam rules and rocks!
graveyardchildescape 1 year ago
Communism will NEVER happen in America. Those freedom hating pigs need to either be deported to North Korea or just get fucking shot. History has PROVEN that it always ends up totalitarian and all aspects of the peoples lives are controlled by the state. THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!
MegaROCKYDOG 1 year ago
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warobsessive 1 year ago
@MegaROCKYDOG Lenin wanted a free Rus'. Where the people would be free of Tsarist rule and would not desire death to starving any more. 9M dead, and 65M wounded in the civil war. The Russian people were slaves to the tsar. The way the people lived in the Rus' empire was so bad that even the cossacks joined the communists. Tsar's first response to the protest phase of the revolution was break out the machine guns. He hoarded food from the people for his army. AKM1917!
warobsessive 1 year ago
@MegaROCKYDOG Communism turns authoritarian cuz of threats by capitalist countries through political attacks or military acts. War against an infant Comm. country leads to a damaged democracy. You can very well see this in N. Korea, The USA and S.Korea fought against it as soon as it came to being. The people needed a strong leader to fight the war and he never gave up his power. Comm. would be more free if the capitalists stop making them cut themselves off from the world to defend themselves.
warobsessive 1 year ago
Lol thanks to Stalin, Soviet Russia became more powerful than the USA...
ArchvileKing 1 year ago
@ArchvileKing ...when? and where is the ussr now? FUCKING DEAD YOU SOULLESS ASSHOLE
bugg255 1 year ago
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LibertyThree 1 year ago
all lies......the collective is the most evil in all on mankind...Americans shoot you in the fucking face
MD40LD50 1 year ago
well they did manage to kill about 1000 people seeking freedom in china...yeah you gotta hate those freedome lovers.
under the communist party Russia could bost the highest suicide rate in history.
Stalin killed 50 million of his own people.
yep...them communist do so much good
Bugleboy1111 1 year ago
americans shoot dog shit like this in the fucking face then enjoy freedom.........fuck you communist dog shit
MD40LD50 1 year ago
F*CKIN IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nurmjm 1 year ago 2
@Nurmjm NON BIELIVER!
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive ...public schooled?? you were most likely the spelling bee champion...
bugg255 1 year ago
@bugg255 What do you mean?
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive ....check your spelling..it's BELIEVER..stupid leftist
bugg255 1 year ago
@bugg255 I am not stupid...How many rounds fit in a PPSH drum? how long was the Versailles ceasefire supposed to last? About how many years is the Islamic calendar off from the Georgian calendar(the one the US uses)? How many years did Germany plan for the Franco-Prussian War? When did the Roman Empire actually fall? What is the name for the roman territory rulers installed by Diocletian? Answer me that! We are smarter than you think. >:)
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive That does not really say anything since you could just look it up on Google in less than 5 seconds.
rimidalv47 1 year ago
@rimidalv47 Since everything can be found on google you simply assume me a liar? I actually know these things.
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive I'm saying you can't prove it unless you're in a live chat room.Since Youtube does not have one there is no way of knowing if you're a genius or if you're "special".
rimidalv47 1 year ago
@warobsessive Besides everything you listed you can learn in middle school.So i would not really brag about knowing it.
rimidalv47 1 year ago
@rimidalv47 What they don't teach is how many rounds fit in a PPSH. how long the Versaille treaty lasted(cause they don't know it wasn't a peace treaty). What I was trying to get across to the other guy was that communists are not stupid, not that they are smarter than normal people.
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive Nah leftist are pretty stupid.
rimidalv47 1 year ago
@rimidalv47 In communism It is the gov's job to provide jobs for the people and for the people to find work. That's why China has 4.8% unemployed and 5% poor (less than $1.25 per day) compared to the US 9.6% unemployed and 14% poor. Communism is the last resort when big buisness runs the country like a corporation, And The oil companies doom nations cause the president won't obey the CEO of the Nigerian oil companies. China was immune in the recession. While USA shrank 3.2%, China grew 7.5%
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive You think China is Communist? Have you read the Communist Manifesto? And you do realise you're talking about the U.S right? The U.S honestly.Home of the most idiots in the world,really?
rimidalv47 1 year ago
@rimidalv47 The after the capitalist Kuomintang was pushed to taiwan The CCP ruled china ever since. I didn't say US was full of idiots.
warobsessive 1 year ago
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rimidalv47 1 year ago
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@warobsessive I only speak truth.Americans are "Special"(with few exceptions)
rimidalv47 1 year ago
@warobsessive There not one COMMUNIST COUNTRY in the world. It's UTOPIA and who knows might exist in Heaven or whatever. You go to CHINA and visit Beijing or Guandong and see nice life, go somewhere else you see people not having enough. THAT IS NOT COMMUNISM. In COMMUNISM that is not suppose to happen. All attempt at Communism have failed, they all end up TOTALITARIAN RULE. Commusm goal is only met if you achieve PERFECTION. It's the ULTIMATE SOCIETY and it will not happen not on EARTH!!
Daxlight 1 year ago
@Daxlight Cuba, N.Korea, PRC, Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia, are communist. The totalitarian communism was Stalin's, Lenin's was better but only lasted 1 year until his death.
warobsessive 1 year ago
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@warobsessive See that's the problem when they try to hide the truth. Cuba, N.Korea, PRC, Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia are not communist. There is no EQUALITY in those countrys. You see RICH people and then see so Poor people. THAT IS NOT COMMUNISM. Communism is a MYTH and when they start to emerge as TOTALITARIAN ,and their ruling class is the most Ruthless people you gonna find.
Daxlight 1 year ago
@rimidalv47 plus, Before the great officer purge the Red army was the most advanced in the world. and USSR was first in space, better harnaced nuclear technology, and China is expected to exeed the US economy in 2030-2040. IT TAKES GENIUS TO DO THAT!
warobsessive 1 year ago
16 viewers found that, "The chair is against the wall."
arizonaatheist 1 year ago
Ned Cobb Hosea Hudson what you did in Alabama alone was unimaginably heroic!!
vivascargill 1 year ago
truly the best party in america unllike capitalism
XxSgTgERMAnxX 1 year ago
@XxSgTgERMAnxX you will make a good target some day.
Bugleboy1111 1 year ago
CPUSA = Stalinist stooges.
AcePilot101 1 year ago
You need to read your scripts yourself. This robotic voice doesn't know where to put the emphasis on syllables or how to inflect the end or beginning of a sentence. It doesn't know how to pause where your commas are or how to differentiate between a comma and a period.
ThorOdinson14 1 year ago
In the old days it was a communist party, but now the CPUSA disavows the armed uprising of the proletariat to seize state power. It advocates that socialism can be achieved through the corrupt electoral system of the bourgeois dictatorship, and voting for Democrats. The bourgeois dictatorship will not hand over the State peacefully. The CPUSA today promotes worthless Menshevikism. Read your Marx, Read your Lenin.
Commiton 1 year ago
Clinton 2012!!
usaleftistsareidiots 1 year ago
@usaleftistsareidiots nah we need a communist leader SOMEONE WHO CAN LEAD US
XxSgTgERMAnxX 1 year ago
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When you tie the intrepid nature of one man to the sloth of another, as socialism does, the result can be nothing more than mediocrity at best.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
America is the greatest country of all time. America was propelled by capitalism. Therefore capitalism is better than socialism. That's called "check mate," comrade. 14/88.
Sammyjackson1488 1 year ago
You "fight against racism" but you would never live with niggers.
Sammyjackson1488 1 year ago
@Sammyjackson1488 you , my fried friend , are a fucking asshole !!!!! hillbilly , or just stuuupeddde ??
beats1969 1 year ago
Which communist nation isn't falling apart or killing it's own people?
Glenn666 1 year ago
@Glenn666 we have killed over 1,500,000 innocent iraqi's ! we have been using illegal mexican's and prisoners to clean up the catastraphe in the gulf ! i don't know what your point is ..? seeing as you really didn't make one .. just keep flying the the flag you inbred ,reabagger !
beats1969 1 year ago
@beats1969 My point is that communism does not work. I was simply raising a question for anyone to answer. Communism will never work anywhere.
Glenn666 1 year ago
@Glenn666 do you believe in democracy ? because ,that has never worked !
beats1969 1 year ago
@beats1969 I believe in The Democratic Republic of the United States. You should read the Constitution, along with the words and statements made by our founding fathers.
Glenn666 1 year ago
It interests me that workers in America hate communism because they believe that they should be paid for their own work. What I do not understand is why they believe they are being paid for their own work in the first place. Their wages are controlled by capitalist task masters, who are only interested in maximum profits. Look at the trend; we work harder, they make more, our wages continue down. How is this fair pay for honest work? They are just getting a pittance to be kept quiet.
sfmike20 1 year ago 2
@sfmike20 Communism is each according ability – each according need. Who do you think is going to decide what your abilities are, who is going to decide what your needs are, I doubt it’ll be you. Socialism is the same except you replace need with deed. Which means only good party members get cars, how do you become a good party member? Usually by turning someone in to the secret police.
jjooboo 1 year ago
@sfmike20 In the socialist world you own the factory, but you fail to realize that someone has to clean the shit from the toilets and that person would probably be paid the same amount as the guard at the gate who sits on his ass. Now who decides who cleans the shit and who guards the gate.
jjooboo 1 year ago
@jjooboo, it would be egalitarian. I think you missed my point about everyone owning the factory in common. We would all clean the shit, and we would all guard the gate, assuming that the gate needs guarding when everyone owns it. The whole point of communism is to reach a state of voluntary anarchy on a communal scale, or anarchosyndicalism as some call it. Now, what about my point that the current system facilitates lowering wages, and increasing work hours for the laborers?
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Not everyone is going to want to clean up other peoples shit and the shit cleaners are going to want to sit in an office. Inevitably this system has already proven to produce one overwhelming underclass across every country that has adopted it, this system removes the value of a human being, right and wrong become something mandated by the state. Haven’t you noticed that every country that tries this stuff ends up killing people very easily?
jjooboo 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Who is going to buy the factory from the current owner?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr Your assuming they have a choice...lol No but seriously, there are factories in the U.S. that workers have purchased and govern together with equal shares and profits. That would be an ideal system. Tell me that you wouldn't want to recieve an equal share of the factories profits. The motivation is obvious, the harder you work the more profit the factory makes, and your pay goes up. Why should the majority of profits go to one man just because he has his name on a piece of paper?
groam6666 1 year ago
@groam6666 Its not just his name on a piece of paper, if he owns the business it is his. My grandfather owned 3 barbershops and took the lions share. Why? Because they belonged to him. If you and the people you work with want to try and negotiate and purchase from your boss then go for it. But if does not want to sell what do you do?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr In a communist system, people would not have a choice to sell businesses, because they would be forced to give it to the workers and assume an equal share in the business as everyone else. There is no such thing as private property in that fashion. In the American system, if he does not want to sell then oh well. If he does, then the workers can divide the profits evenly amounst each other. They vote on all business matters. It is democracy at the workplace. who wouldn't like it?
groam6666 1 year ago
@groam6666 5th Amendment "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." Being forced to GIVE a business he/she has built from the ground up to a bunch of people that have NO money invested into it without compensation? That is theft.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@groam6666
Anyone who worked hard for their possessions would not like it. Socialism is taking from those who earned what they have.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@groam6666
Your argument seems to be that everyone would benefit from socialism. yes the workers might benefit in the scenario you laid out, but the original factory owner, forced to give up his business, is essentially being robbed.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus You are correct, the factory owners would loose their property. I don't see why 30% of Americans can make around 80% of the countries wealth and the 70% of you, me and everyone else can only get 10%. Is that not stealing, or do morals dictate that that is best for society. Those poor factory owners, would still try and crush unions if they could, pay you less if they could, less benefits for your family if they could etc. Why on earth would you support the owner?
groam6666 1 year ago
@groam6666
People support the owner for 2 reasons. 1. The owner is in that position for a reason: he worked to get there. That is respectable; plus taking him out of the picture is throwing away the effort he put into his life. 2. People like to imagine that they could be the owner one day. That's the American dream and it is what motivated and will motivate the people of America.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus That is a theory. The American dream? Dude, the majority of people are poor. Corporations run rampant and bought politicians. The majority of the working class wish they could unionize, but instead get threated by their employers if they try. People imagine to be the owner one day yes but the odds are stacked against you, obviously. If I work, I want a damn equal share for my skills. I dont want to be payed along with the workers the 10% overall profits 1 man made. Fuck that
groam6666 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, no one does. People just need to migrate away from private ownership, into cooperatives, and run private industry out of business. This is, of course, a process that would take several generations, and is by no means feasible by tomorrow. I think that if we started this trend today-- a trend that was beginning in the early 20th century but collapsed from the cold war scare-- we could have this system in 100 years or so, peaceably attained I might add.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 You communists are chasing a pipe dream. People are not just going to give up what is rightfully theirs. I know I wont. I might sell you my business but I will never give it away. Besides, this notion of EQUAL share of profits would fall apart in short time when R&D gets tired of a high school dropout janitor is bringing home the same pay they are. Any moron can put a sheet of steel into a punch press and push a button but a CEO carries a company on his shoulders.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Funny how every stock market and economic crash has been since the progressive movement started at the turn of the 20th century.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, I know right? It is amazing that the capitalist system started to crash only a few decades after it was instituted in the late nineteenth century. As for your comment on the progressive movement starting in the twentieth century, you are entirely incorrect. Read the works of Jefferson, and Thomas More. These ideas were alive and well prior to Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations".
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, how quickly did you find this quote on the internet? You need to read all the works of Jefferson to realize how opposed he was to the idea that conglomerates could own things, and have the rights of private citizens. I have said nothing about taking from an individuals privately accrued "fruits". I am not even sure what you are trying to prove with this quote.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 I know how Jefferson viewed monopolies and the rights of corporations. He and Madisons views did not win the day. He also knew nothing of the labor union. How do you think he would view a labor union contributing to political candidates? I would venture to say not in high regard.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, I absolutely agree with that point.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 To remember Sir Thomas More would serve me ill. This is America and Americans need not look across the pond for guidance and direction. We need only to look back and remember those that gave us our country, those that formed it. Sure, the idea of wealth redistribution has existed long before 1900 but not here.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, it absolutely did exist here. Even Adam Smith thought that capitalism was only useful insofar as it created equality of condition. He felt that his theory would eventually create a society that was so equal that the trappings of authority would be superfluous. As for those that gave us our country, many of them had purely democratic, non republic that is, ideals mixed with a kind of protosocialistic ideology.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Even Adam Smith? Even? Really? Even? - It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. - Little else is requisite to carry a state to the highest degree of opulence from the lowest barbarism but peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice: all the rest being brought about by the natural course of things. -
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@sfmike20 The real and effectual discipline which is exercised over a workman is that of his customers. It is the fear of losing their employment which restrains his frauds and corrects his negligence. - The real tragedy of the poor is the poverty of their aspirations. - all spoken by Adam Smith
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, I am not sure how these quotes discredit anything I said earlier.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Smith told us about the invisible hand, stating that self interest guides the most efficient used of the resources of a nation and public welfare is a byproduct of this. He argued that state and personal efforts, to promote social good are ineffectual compared to unbridled market forces. Not quite the liberal you make him out to be.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Now stop telling me what people from other countries who never made policy in America thought about wealthy people. Smith never even visited America so he had no experience with liberty be it personal or economic. Land owners in Scotland and England acquired their land through inheritance. Now tell me, what signers of our constitution held similar views to that of Smith?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, that is my point. None of them held the views of Smith. Since none of them held the views of Smith, none of them were capitalist. That is what I have been saying. That being said, Smith's capitalism was very different from the capitalist theory of today. My point in referencing him was to show that the architect of capitalist theory would not even support what people have done in it's name. I think you are confusing what I am trying to say here.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 It existed in Rome and Greece. Their democracies were afoul with it. How’d that turn out for them? What you want is the polar opposite of what America is supposed to be. Your goal is rule of man and this is a countries designed to be ruled by law.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, it turned out rather well for Rome and Greece, seeing as how both societies lasted longer than our own. Their ultimate demise was due to wealth inundating their government, and had nothing to do with liberalism. They actually did far better in the beginnings of their democracies when things like private ownership of vast amounts of land was nonexistent. As for your rule of man remark, that is utter bullshit. What I want is not incompatible with Locke's beliefs at all.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Ancient Greece was a welfare state by the time Phillip showed up. All in all from the 510BC formation of Athenian democracy to Phillip taking over the whole country in 338BC was 172 years. As for Rome, they spent themselves into massive debt on social programs and in the end they could not tax the citizenry enough to pay for all of it. Rome being a republic that was fouled by too much democracy last far longer.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, I am not talking about social programs, I am talking about communal ownership--this is not what modern communists espouse usually.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 My point is that there is no way to get to communal ownership of the means of production without revolution and the subsequent seizure of private property.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, not overnight, and probably not in the next 50-100 years, but I think that this is the ideal that we need to strive for, and that will create a better, less jealous and greedy society.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 You don’t get it. It will never happen without revolution. I don’t even think it is ideal. Like I said why would some one go to college to get an engineering degree if he/she can push a broom or push a button and get the same amount of money? Not to mention the workers at the plant 5 miles away are going to be jealous of the people that work at you plant because your plant is more profitable and you earn more.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@sfmike20 So what are they to do but have the government step in and take from you to give to them. So now we are back to square one with different groups of people feuding with each other over wealth. No thanks, I would rather do what we have not done for a hundred years and let capitalism reign. Set the rule to the point that prohibits robbery and monopoly and let it run without interference by politicians.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, letting it run without interference by politicians was tried in the early nineteen hundreds, and did not work very well for the laborers. For laissez faire capitalism to work, everyone needs to be trustworthy, and we know that they are not. Capitalism creates an environment that necessitates unions, which I do not like, and allows money to enter into the political arena, which creates huge amounts of corruption. Just look at the affect of capitalism in the third world.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Look at the effects without capitalism in the third world.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, the third world is a prime example of global capitalism run amok. Every one of those countries is beholden to the world bank, and their constituent companies. Lets take a look at what happened in Bolivia. They owed huge amounts of money to the world bank, and as a consequence decided to privatize their public services, after an offer of debt forgiveness, with American and European corporations at the helm. You cannot get much more capitalist than that.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 But men like Marius and then Sulla with personal agendas (much like Bush and Obama) ruined it for every one.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, agreed.
sfmike20 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Our free society is still going strong. Communism has fallen. Only a few countries are communist anymore, and they will fall as well after their crazed leaders die. Look at how many cubans come into this country to get away from Castro, and most of them don't want to have anything to do with the left wing of the political spectrum(even though left of center isn't all communist). Look at Kim Jong-il. I could go on and on. Communism doesn't work!
bjoh249 1 year ago
@bjoh249 People started fleeing to the USA from Cuba because the USSR had collapsed and the rest of the world had a trading ban on Cuba and really oppressed them to hell because they had different ideas about how society should be operated. In fact, communism did many great things for Cuba.
All those countries you describe as communist were not communist at all. Their leaders did things that contradict the ideology itself and I suggest you read about communism before making comments like this.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@sfmike20 And the U.S. has been a capitalist nation since at least 1792. The stock exchange was formalized in 1817. the fact is that government intrusion in the free trade system has caused or made worse every stock market/economic crash we have endured. From the 1929 crash being turned into a depression by the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act to our current situation. Weather you realize it or not your point of view is fueled by envy.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Some people have and will out do your best effort and you want government to step in and prop you up. In a capitalist system people are held accountable to the choices and decisions they make in life and your ilk cant handle that fact. There are no Kings nor Duke nor Earls in America and it is not the place of government to play Robin Hood. The wealthy in America are so because they are smarter than the rest of us. No used denying it or crying about it.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@sfmike20 Facts are facts and if facts hurt the problem is you.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr, oh yes, brilliantly witty rebuttal.
sfmike20 1 year ago
So is the account that made this video the new CPUSA channel?
ThirdPartyRevolution 1 year ago
I worked in a union for a long time. Unions are communist. Working hard gets you nothing yet it is expected of you. Lazy people earn just as much as the real workers. They send you magazines and pamphlets that tell you to vote for more Communists in government. Yes, everything is really "fair". When the strong-willed are forced to bend over for the weak-minded. The majority doesn't want Communism. United we stand, divided we fall! = Democratic Republic, Divided we stand, united we fall = Commie
opacid 2 years ago
Let me tell you something opacid. What you've experienced is far from communism. If anything, its MARXISM. There is a difference. Besides, the etymology of communism is complete unity. And thats the thing; unless its equal, and unless its united, it's not communism.
usernamenate 1 year ago
My whole point is that equal work for equal pay is great. Unions take out any chance of that. If they stuck to making sure people were treated fairly while allowing harder workers to reap more benefits I think that would be true equality. I don't want to live or work as a collective earning more or less based on the collective and not my own efforts.
opacid 1 year ago
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Million hearts beat as one,
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AzerChristians 2 years ago 2
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Every time the government tells me there's one more thing I can't do. That's communism. They call capitalism fascism. What's more fascist? The ability to go from poor to wealthy and wealthy to poor, or the government telling you how far you can go? Starting your own business or having the government take over your business? The reason the US is going down the toilet is all the Communist policies.
opacid 2 years ago
communism has 2 types and they are opposite... stalin and mao were fascist who tricked their people with pro-worker propaganda
lenin and marx are acctually pro-worker... pro-media... pro-democracy... and lenin would be ashamed if would have lived thru stalins time
wildboy789789 2 years ago
i'm no fan of red baiting etc. but Lenin was as big a piece of shit as the others, sorry.
BillKiernan 2 years ago
What has the Communist Party USA accomplished: Nothing!
hazefan001 2 years ago
USA cold war propaganda killed the idea of communism and socialism for most Americans. Its' a damn shame.
ShittyPunkVids 2 years ago 2
@ShittyPunkVids Not totally. Recent polls have shown that almost half the US population (roughly) would rather have a Socialist system rather than a Capitalist. That's an improvement from 20 years ago. There is still hope.
policestory 2 years ago 7
I am sorry but you have your facts mixed up, the data showed that roughly 50% of Americans would prefer an economic alternative to capitalism, while roughly 20% said they would prefer socialism and roughly 30% said they aren't sure what the alternative would look like. It's a shame though that the facts don't reflect what you said :/
Solidarity
SamualTLedbetter 2 years ago 6
You're right. I misspoke and misread the report.
policestory 2 years ago 2
Wouldn't it be nice to believe that 50% preferred socialism? I would throw the world's biggest party, and everyone would be invited.
SamualTLedbetter 2 years ago 2
Indeed it would be. Its possible though.
policestory 2 years ago
@ policestory -
Polls conducted by whom?
TreblePop 2 years ago
@policestory
Can you cite the source behind that? If it is true, which seems unlikely, America has been ruined.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus Yeah. I pointed this out a few months ago that I typed the wrong It was around 30%. At least it shows some improvement.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
The number I just found is at 20%, so it must be improving! I am just worried that the support of capitalism that comes with age, is from wisdom of age not just the tradition of that generation. For if the latter is true, we may be forced into a socialism.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus Capitalism can't live forever, deal with it.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
What will cause its death? And what is the alternative? Socialism does not work.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus @electio538politicus How doesn't it work? It worked in China, it worked in the Soviet Union, it worked in Cuba, Vietnam, Democratic Korea, etc and it worked well. China was able to industrialize their feudal, third-world country within ten years where it took Capitalism over a hundred. Meanwhile, children went to school while the parents worked. They were guaranteed housing and medical care whenever needed. To say it didn't work is completely ignorant.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
I am astounded that you said that: I hope you are joking. First, China was able to industrialize because of Mao's initiatives, which killed 50-70 million people. Killing citizens, from starvation because of communist policies, is not a success whatsoever. The Soviet Union collapsed. Why did you bring it up? It is the best example of what happens to communist countries. Cuba is one of, if not the, poorest countries in the world. Why? Communist policies.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@policestory
You named a series of failed communisms that didn't even follow the real aspects of socialism, but were totalitarian dictatorships. I am speechless that you would argue that even one of those countries you listed were successes. Communism doesn't work, and it never will. The future can be revealed from the past, so until a communism succeeds, don't hold your breath.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus LOL. "totalitarian" like the how the United States has been for a hundred years now? All of these countries WERE/ARE successes. Communism's first stage, what some call the "Socialist" stage, was a complete success. To quote the great Fidel Castro, if Communism failed, where is the success of Capitalism in Latin America, Asia, and Africa? Communism, is only in it's infancy.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
How has the US been totalitarian? It's not...
Please, explain how these countries, and their '1st stage' has been a success. To historians, communism managed to destroy th countries you listed, no matter how poised for success they were, eg. Soviet Union. Capitalism has not had a chance to "fix" Latin America, or any of the other listed places, because it was never given a chance. Maybe not socialism, but I think it is safe to assume that communism is falling out of practice.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus The US has suppressed workers movements by killing and jailing its participants, dissolving unions where workers have the appropriate medium to fight for their jobs and higher wages, installing cameras in cities to watch people, actively targeting people who are not white and/or male, and the list goes on and on. I'm surprised you're so naive to this. Capitalism has had it's presence in Latin America for hundreds of years so that's no excuse, they've had PLENTY of chances.
policestory 1 year ago
@electio538politicus Capitalism has done everything to suppress positive change in Latin America to guarantee profits. Falling out of practice? What about the Maoists in Nepal? The Naxalites in India? Revolutionary forces in Peru, Colombia, and the Philippians? The biggest opposition forces in the Greek, French, and Spanish struggles currently against austerity measures are Communists. Communism is definitely still relevant and will continue to be for a long time to come.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
Unions are not a "good" in the world. They are greedy organizations that have become exactly what they fight against "big, greedy business". In fact, on the basis on the US anti-trust laws, unions should be illegal too. Capitalism is an economic system not connected to "cameras/big brother" or " targeting people" racially. The point is that, while there still may be movements, of which I suspect many prefer socialism to communism, these movements will never again gain power.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus Like I said, Unions are mediums to which people can fight for their jobs, fight prejudices, and improve their workplace from the owners, who do nothing but collect the wealth from the commodities produced or the services that have been done. Unions should be mandatory for all workplaces. Capitalism absolutely is connected to that.. I mean, how naive are you? No one thought successful revolutions would happen in Russia or Cuba but they did. History proves you wrong again.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
I agree that capitalism fights unions, in a certain way, I was just disagreeing about the cameras and racism that you said comes along with capitalism. Yes, communist revolutions happened, but not recently and those revolutions destroyed the country in which they were located. Unions are groups of workers enforcing their demands. If those are allowed, why not a trust, a group of companies, or price gouging?
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@electio538politicus Communist revolutions drastically improved conditions. You want to see a destroyed nation? Look at modern day Russia but it wasn't destroyed by Communism, it was destroyed because of the free market. A great documentary on that is called: "Death Of A Nation - Russia" and it can be found on Youtube. Your last sentence doesn't make sense.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
Where is the proof that communism helped any countries? Maybe the free market killed Russia, but communism killed the Soviet Union in a much gorier death. At least one still lives, unlike the one destroyed by communism. My last sentence was trying to make the point that based on the anti-trust laws of the US, unions should be illegal. They are doing, with laborers, what companies do in a trust.
electio538politicus 1 year ago
@policestory
Assuming your "facts" are accurate, that would merely show how stupid people have become. Obviously, they know nothing about history.
Sammyjackson1488 1 year ago
@Sammyjackson1488 cool. ANOTHER nazi troll. Somehow, I think you're all the same one guy.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
Are you saying that instead of living in America, you would rather be in Stalinist Russia or Mao's China?
Sammyjackson1488 1 year ago
@Sammyjackson1488 How could you, in any way, gather that from what I said? Although, people had better services there than in the US now.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory
So you do admit that every communist country has been a colossal failure? If not, name some of the successes.
Sammyjackson1488 1 year ago
@Sammyjackson1488 Depends on your idea of "success", if you mean success by building a sustainable centrally planned economy in which social services for everyone, which were the main focus from the get-go, were guaranteed by law, for the first time ever, then yes, Communist countries were a success and continue to be a success. If you consider "success" to be an ideal workers state, then, although better than Capitalist countries, they were not.
policestory 1 year ago
@policestory son im a communist but not a troll
XxSgTgERMAnxX 1 year ago
@XxSgTgERMAnxX guess again
Bugleboy1111 1 year ago
communism= lazyness, no motivation to work hard, depend on the government to save you
ofcccaddy2004 2 years ago
Quite the opposite really. It's an ideology founded by workers for the workers to liberate them from the capitalists that own their means of production and their rights to rule over their own working place and life. The lazy one is the one owning a company and profits upon the workers labour.
smoskprosk 2 years ago
i understand where youre coming from but how is the one owning a company considered lazy?
he/she worked hard to get that postion and for him/her to be punished for their hard work is insane
ofcccaddy2004 2 years ago
No, in the majority of the cases, it's someone with alot of money who have bought it and in that way own and controls the company. And you have to define "work hard". How is the owner working harder than the workers? Why can't everyone in the company own equal part and have equal vote? Private ownership is economic dictatorship. Welfare services should be owned by the people (the state) and every other company should run as worker cooperatives.
smoskprosk 2 years ago
"Its someone with a lot of money who have bought it"
Socialists are so ignorant to economics, its just sad
Wraith23 2 years ago
hahaha hellooooo the SYMBOL of communism is ABOUT work. Moron.
Mailrobot 2 years ago
Sometimes is a gun too
Wraith23 2 years ago
No, theres no gun in the symbol. Put glasses on.
Mailrobot 2 years ago
Hahaha........ idiot.
Look at the flags and slogans of socialist terrorist organizations in Latin America and you will find many references to guns.
Wraith23 2 years ago
You are lame.
Mailrobot 2 years ago
yea, the socialist terrorist organizations in LATIN AMERICA..
dipshit. theres going to be radicals wherever you go. you dont hear anyone shit-talking christians because most neo-nazis are protestant, do you?
ShittyPunkVids 2 years ago 3