Welch versus Joseph McCarthy 2-2

[mattforrester1973]

I love the applause for Welch at the end and McCarthy's sour face during said applause! Talk about the Salem Witch Trials!!!

[juliegrimme]

McCarthy was a drunk and did a lot of harm.

[tacitus2244]

He was a sick man

[MrSww9999]

McCarthy: Blah blah blah communist blah blah blah blah communist communist blah blah blah blah blah bl...

Welch: Shut Up!!

[nathanjamesbaker]

Welch was incredibly articulate and had a gift for delivery. Others have commented here that he planned this scene out in advance, and that may be true, but what a scene it was. "I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. And if I did, I beg your pardon. Let us not assassinate this lad further. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir?"

"If there is a God in heaven, it will do neither you, nor your cause, any good. I will not discuss it further."

[teddymills]

At 4:10 after the applause ends, silence with no response, McCarthyism's Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt (FUD) and chicken pecking dies right then.

[tomitstube]

it still amazes me how a majority of americans despised joe mccarthy and his tactics but went along with this witch hunt for so long. it's a good thing he didn't have the power of hitler, franco, or mussolini. even eisenhower and truman said the "red scare" was overblown, macarthy even accused eisenhower of communist ties. what a sad time in this country, it was intellectualism under trial by right wing fascists.

[Foxglurves]

"Mr. Chairman, call the next witness."

Applause.

Forgive me for going back to 2004, but PWND!

[wdchefdave56]

Joseph McCarthy was nothing more than a spineless bully!

And, the sad part was... we gave the asshole some attention.

It's kind of fun to look back in time and say what we may or may not have done... but, I don't remember too many of Hitler's childhood friends stepping up in his defense after his "fall"!

Ironically, Joe is using "Nazi" tactics to seek out "Communists"!

Which group would you rather share an apartment with?

I hope the rest of his life was as miserable as possible!

[DrMu5tCh3at2W1n]

what the hell happened after that? did he call more witnesses or stop?

[SwampRabbitRanger]

Just shows the values of Conservatives, Fear and Hate, can deivide a nation as it did here.

However, those same Conservative values made for a super strong Nazi Germany, but they were tall from standing on the weak as are the Tea Party and KKK.

Karma got McCarthy fast, dead in 3 years.

[jbranstetter04]

Joseph Welch was a big phony. It came out later that he had this fake outrage all planned out. He knew that if he needled McCarthy's assistant enough that McCarthy would expose Fisher for his Communist background. It was a set up. Welch's phony sadness about Fisher's life being ruined is a joke.

The declassification of the VENONA Project makes it clear to all that we did need to fear Communist infiltration of our government, and not just into the democrat party, but the entire government.

[tom4cfc123]

@jbranstetter04 shut up welch may have been a phony but he exposed and defeated mccarthy which potentially saved peoples lives

[jbranstetter04]

@tom4cfc123 The ends justify the means. Good one. I'll have to remember that.

[HRDBMW]

Thank god we have finally figured out it isn't the Communists we need to be afraid of, it's the Muslims who are the threat!

/sarcasm

[countertreason]

What a world we live in. Assuming, as was common in those days and as I think would still be a wise practice today, that a belief in and support for Communism is shameful and individuals with these sympathies should be selected against for good jobs, etc., nothing McCarthy said, in this particular exchange, was problematic. Fisher did have a Communist history. "Have you no decency?" sounds to me like, "he screwed up, but changed his ways" + undeserved righteousness. Not a compelling video.

[InsubordinateFilmz]

@countertreason

This comment would be accurate if you didn't completely ignore all of the history before this hearing and that of the men involved.

[countertreason]

@InsubordinateFilmz It is perfectly accurate even taking that into account. I think it is the perfect materialization of the moral bankruptcy and relativity of the left that the actions of McCarthy are remembered as comparable to the worst of tyrannies. People around the world could only dream of being tyrannized by McCarthy instead of their antagonists. Filthy leftist self-pitying brigades. Makes me fucking sick.

[InsubordinateFilmz]

@countertreason

It is not perfectly accurate. Your original comment claimed that McCarthy was not doing anything wrong in this hearing, however the entire basis for this hearing stems from the fact that McCarthy and Cohn had requested special treatment for Cohn's homosexual lover, David Schine, upon his drafting into the Army, and the Army had refused. Thus, McCarthy went after the Army and everyone involved. This entire hearing was a supreme miscarriage of justice, for personal vendetta.

[InsubordinateFilmz]

@countertreason

And this is all keeping with the standard operating procedure of McCarthy and his hearings. It is so ignorant and just makes you look foolish to accuse "the left" of moral bankruptcy for condemning someone who ACTUALLY was morally bankrupt.

[countertreason]

@InsubordinateFilmz You argue speculation as if it were a matter of fact. It is clear your seriousness is questionable. Lying, exaggerating and acting as if speculation is a matter of fact is far more morally reprehensible than possibly retaliating against an organization for a slight.

[InsubordinateFilmz]

@countertreason

You are so completely warping the truth. They were abusing the power invested in them by the American people for personal vendetta, and it wasn't even "a slight." Requesting special treatment for anyone and being denied isn't "a slight," Schine and Cohn were no better than anyone else and thus should not be treated any differently. Thus there is no justification for this morally reprehensible attack on the Army and this man's career.

[countertreason]

@InsubordinateFilmz What, you can read their minds? How old are you, did your life even coincide with theirs? I am just curious, because even if you could read minds, it is still unclear to me how you can read the minds of men who have been dead for awhile.

You are speculating as to what their motivations were - and it is far more likely that they hated communists and were seeking them wherever they could than that they were looking for special privileges.

[InsubordinateFilmz]

@countertreason

Even if they did sincerely believe in their cause, their execution was a severe infringement upon the rights of American citizens and was, for all intents and purposes, an unjustified witch hunt.

[mrearlygold]

Joseph McCarthy was right.

[Hightemplarl]

monarchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billsoman]

Welch's outrage is entirely phony. Weeks earlier, he outed Fred Fisher to the New York Times as a Communist front member, which is the news story McCarthy was asking in the video to be retrieved.

[fishhead06]

McCarthy looks utterly defeated at the end.  He knows the jig is up, and so does Cohn.

[ottogunsche]

Cohn was a shirt lifter. Was McCarthy also a shirt lifter too?

[dewinmoonl]

omg McCarthy just got ROFLPWNT LOLOL

[mrfrymcflubbs]

It's pretty ironic that on the very same YouTube video of a fear-monger, who greatly exaggerated the threat of communism, we have posters who are committing the same misjudgments. "Adherents" of communism occupy the halls of government? Give me a break. Even if there are communists, so what? I thought America stood for freedom of expression and political association of all, not just beliefs the majority agrees with.

[FreiCleveland]

@mrfrymcflubbs, you are either a communist or you have a television ideal of communism. In case you didn't notice communists rule by terror. When communism takes total control in the USA travel, private property, freedom of speech, guns etc will all be outlawed. Communist nations built walls to keep their citizen slaves in, something which fascists would never dream of.

[calamagrostis88]

@FreiCleveland Have you no sense of decency?

[mrfrymcflubbs]

@FreiCleveland Fascists didn't build walls? Dachau? Auchwitz? That ignorance aside, your analysis of communism is very inaccurate, you must watch Fox News. State communists in China, USSR, East Germany, etc. did rule by using fear. However, communism has existed for thousands of years in these places called monasteries, maybe you've heard of them. Anyway, non-communist states also control populations through fear as well, so that entire point is irrelevant.

[mrfrymcflubbs]

@FreiCleveland Communism doesn't pose a threat to the world, capitalism and the interests it supports are entrenched in power. I'm neither communist nor capitalist. These economic systems were developed based on a flawed assumption: natural resources are unlimited. Neither Marx nor Smith could've imagined current global demand, nor environmental destruction that has become reality. Humanity has always found new economic systems, its time to find a new one. Quit the doctrines of the past!

[iscrmoal]

Can you say witch hunt? That always happens when the few with power try to shove their ideas down our throats and the people does nothing! It always takes one brave person to speak what we all are thinking and are too afraid to say, wake up people up! The govrnment works for us not the other way around!!!

[DarkAdmiralRicko]

'what happened...' You sir, we slain on live television. BOOOOM.

[kissrev1]

"At long last, have you no decency?" Awesome! I would like to ask Rush, Glenn, Sarah, Bill O'reilly, and the rest, the same question. Sadly, I know that they would sidestep it, and the republitards would somehow spin it their own way. Yes! It's Obama's fault that he inherited all of your spending, corporate freebies, and horrible economic policies. You gave him about a year before you blamed everything you did on him. I can't wait to see America when China really runs the show. Stupid Americans!

[9693297602]

This is a great travesty in American History how did so many Americans believe that all those Americans Implicated where the Red Boogie Man. The many talented actors musicians etc., where blacklisted from so many projects I just wonder what those men and women and children that suffered, what talents they could have brought to the arts

[beekothefreako]

Welch is a really great speaker here. He is obviously very upset but he keeps his voice calm and impassioned at the same time. He also says some great and succinct things on the spur of the moment. Things that are still quoted to this day. I think politicians should take a lesson from him on how to talk to these people.

[anonymous11441144]

Fucking owned!

[steveinchelsea]

This is relevant, because it's happening all over again. I lived through that period in a small town. My parents were ex-Communists, and when that news got out our lives were made a livng hell as it was for so many others. And now you have the Palins, the Bachmans, the Becks etc. channeling ol' Joe and starting a new witch hunt against anyone they dub "unAmerican!"

[OutlanderWarrior]

@steveinchelsea, well, maybe they should never have been communists. Ever think of that?

[JohnGift1]

@LolCaramelz What do you think? A man who lives a lie his entire life? A man who goes after people who simply stood up for what they believed (whether you like or agree with it or not) when at that same time had be been found out, the very same people he was helping would have turned on him and blacklisted him just the same.

Like Ken Mehlman working hard to get Republicans elected even as they were pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to ban same sex marriages.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

[DConS81]

Personally, I don't know why everyone is arguing or pointing fingers at McCarthy saying that it's because he was one thing or the other.....as a student of history, I've done a lot of study on how the thought of communism in america was scaring everybody from The Hill on down.....regardless of McCarthy being Republican, Democrat or whatever else....it doesn't change the fact that he was a human being and prone to fear as much as the rest of us.....so let us learn from HIS mistakes

[frankklaassen]

@DConS81

I agree.

[1003vjesse]

I don't know if "prone" is entirely accurate, but rather exploited for his benefit to en extent; to be in the limelight and gain notoriety as a junior senator. Didn't you research how he enjoyed the media's attention, fame/recognition, along with the nightlife throughout his communists accusations? ALSO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE ELLIPSIS (WHICH SHOULDN'T BE OFTEN IN A COMMENTARY) YOU USE ONLY (3) "..." NOT ANY MORE THAN THAT.

[1003vjesse]

@1003vjesse *an, I do agree fear was there but was manipulated for his own affluence.

[tgibfo]

@DConS81

The difference is that he used the fear in the U.S. to further his own career and his own agenda. There was no one else who was so adamant about accusing people of being communists. And by accusing someone of Communism, you were as good as blacklisted because you had to prove you were INNOCENT..... McCarthy essentially, by being "patriotic," took away one of the most important rights in the Constitution. It was a power grab. Research the Salem witch trials, O student of history.

[yearningarrow]

@DConS81 his mistakes? McCarthy was hardly making a mistake when he deliberately manipulated the fears of the American public in order to revitalize HIS OWN flagging political career. So you're right, he was human. The worst kind. He brought the Salem Witch trials to a whole new level in America all the while reaping the benefits of the fear he created. Increase Mather would be more than proud.

[nataliiiaf]

@DConS81 human beings worthy of carrying the name deal with their fears bravely, intellectually, rationally , without going into a mad frenzy of accusations ruining other people`s lives. The likes of McCarthey are pathetic excuses for human beings, NOT fro his convictions, but the way he recklessly(for the lack of a betetr word) acted on them..

[taijiman7777]

@DConS81

McCarthy was not motivated so much by fear of Communism as he was by reckless ambition. He was a demagogue who exploited the irrational and unfounded public fear of some insidious communism infiltration of public and private institutions.

He was the Fox "News" of his time.

[Stantzs]

@DConS81 He was not afraid, he was a bully, and he manipulated peoples fears to bring himself into power. He killed several people and destroyed the lives of several hundred others in the process.

He, personally, formed and served as was chairman of a kangaroo court that convicted on suspicion.

He was an evil, wretched man and the only good thing you can say about him is that he is dead.

Your are as fucked up as those chinese apologists that are still trying to make excuses for Mao.

[OutlanderWarrior]

@DConS81, that's nice. I'm sure he made mistakes, but about the overall picture he was spot-on correct (as the Venona Papers indicate). And communism should scare you, especially since its adherents occupy the halls of government today. First and foremost we have the affirmative-action president in the White House, a man who appointed people such as Van Jones and Anita Dunn. Wake up.

[cornelisvz]

@DConS81 In regard to the recent process of health care reform I fear it is still a great issue within that beautiful country. What a shame. Wake up US. It is not a crime to take care of the weak. Health care within the US is a joke. I am an European but even in Ecuador (where I live) health care is better. Yet every president starts and ends his/her speech  by thanking God. Pfffffffffffff. I wonder what Jesus wthinks about all of this. THINK PEOPLE!!!!

[peacewillhappen]

@DConS81 You could argue that, but I know I wouldn't be the first to step in line and defend this guy. He destroyed the lives of so many people and bullied others into fear. He even got Reagan to give names while he was President in 1947. McCarthy was reckless and dangerous - and in legislative power.

I hope you're right and we do learn from his mistakes the next time, so we don't find ourselves accusing people of communist/fascist/socialist/ke­nyan conspiracies all over again.

[therandomexample]

@DConS81 Sir, your comment does not deserve its negative votes. You are entirely correct.

But let me offer a rebuttal; A man that holds the power to destroy many lives, can he truly be considered a man? Or may we consider him a beast?

[DConS81]

@therandomexample

Thank you for your statement. My intention with my initial comment was only to offer another look, not to defend mccarthy, but have people look at him as an object lesson.

[c3wichman]

@therandomexample he is a man as long as he uses his power properly. a phrase i thought of while philosophizing over a beer one time; "all men are capable of terribly evil actions. what separates good men from evil ones is why."

[christschool]

@DConS81 Unlike most people who are afraid, Mr. McCarthy had a position of power and hurt hundreds of people and ruined thousands of lives through his target's family members. McCarthy and his modern day disciples bring not enlightenment to our country, but darkness and backwardness.

[JohnGift1]

McCarthy's lawyer, Roy Cohn, a closeted homosexual. A man who hated himself so deeply that he was happy to help McCarthy. Pathetic.

Even now, modern day Roy Cohn's are in the Senate and House standing against themselves and freedom.

The cycle has a long way to go.

[frankklaassen]

@JohnGift1

Yes John,

I absolutely agree. It is amazing though how Batman and Robin scared the hell out of the American people.

[KingDingaLing090]

@frankklaassen Did Julius and Ethel Rosenberg work for the Soviet Union? Did their actions scare the hell out of the American people?

[LolCaramelz]

@JohnGift1

What does him being a homosexual have to do with anything?

[mlvc82]

@JohnGift1 oh great....the fact making a homosexual a scapegoat.....give me a break.

[mattforrester1973]

@JohnGift1 Very well put...agreed 100%...

[joliecide]

you could see the look on Cohn's face at 2:02, the beginning of the end...

[whiff1962]

@joliecide Yeah, its written all over his face. Poor bastard.

[Boomslanga]

The intolerance during the witch-hunt that was the McCarthyism era makes me sick. I admire you Welch.

[beekothefreako]

McCarthy and Cohn used to fuck each other, ya know. That's why they hated everybody so much. Cuz they were so busy hating themselves. For being something that is natural.

[Ereldor]

Man, Welch handled himself with dignity! McCarthy just keeps going on and on about this poor young lawyer, and Welch just can't help but be exasperated on his behalf that a senator would make such a mountain out of a molehill. The First Amendment was clearly not in the Bill of Rights those guys read...

[CWSmith1982]

I love it! Macarthy nailed him! I gess Welch was'nt serious about flushing out commies. And look at the left wing press reaction to Welsh as he is embarrassed in to refusing to answer any more questions. All the while Macarthy is arguing fact and Welsh is arguing emotion. What this video doesent tell you is that Welch runs out with fake tears in his eyes past the press and immediatly shuts them off when he makes it to his assistant to ask him "How did I do".

[CWSmith1982]

I love it! Macarthy nailed him! I gess Welch was'nt serious about flushing out commies. And look at the left wing press reaction to Welsh as he is embarrassed in to refusing to answer any more questions. All the while Macarthy is arguing fact and Welsh is arguing emotion. What this video doesent tell you is that Welch runs out with fake tears in his eyes past the press and immediatly shuts them off when he makes it to his assistant to ask him "How did I do".

[Asskicker32294]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your presentation. This was a great moment in our history when fascism was averted and stomped into the dirt where it belongs. It seems to be rising up again but I hope there will emerge other champions of democracy to stake it in the heart.

[userdan54]

Prior to the hearings, McCarthy had agreed not to bring up Fisher if Joseph Welch promised not to explore Roy Cohn's lack of a military record. Welch had kept his word. Note Roy Cohn's extreme discomfort, shaking his head when McCarthy breaks his promise. At the end, McCarthy realized he had stumbled badly. You can see the defeat in his face. His credibility was destroyed in front of millions of television viewers gazing at the self-destruction of a demagogue.

[ARP7777777]

Show me real evidence of such. And I mean nonpartisan evidence. You obviously like and respect McCarthy. I don't, and think he was a very dangerous man. Perhaps if you were to show me overwhelming evidence that he was completely right and the Army, State Department, and everyone else either wrong or a so called "Communist Front" i would believe you. As it is, I don't, and I am not likely to change my mind. But go ahead, give me some evidence of McCarthy being correct.

[fatcatsathat]

The man sitting behind and to the left of McCarthy looks like Daniel Schorr.

[hasablad69]

McCarthy was a known boozer and he sounds it here!

[melanicholy]

it really makes you appreciate the applause at the end

[Lennon4life1968]

This is one of the finest examples of the power of words.

[Tobaman111]

I can just imagine McCarthy thinking, "What the fuck am I doing?" I don't know if he was comfortable with his crimes, or whether, in fact, he didn't consider them crimes, but it seems like once he became invested in his inquisition his only option was to continue it.

[AJNorth]

Attempting to argue with supporters of human dross like McCarthy by bringing up "facts" is a pointless and futile exercise. One might as well be conversing with a certain Austrian paper hanger who learned so well at the feet of his mentor, Dr. Joseph Goebbels - or any of their later disciples, such as Ann Coulter, Lynn Cheney, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and James Inhofe, to name just a few.

[AJNorth]

Try as they might, they will not rewrite the facts of history, which are that McCarthy and his fellow travelers were (and are) ruthless misanthropic megalomaniacs.

McCarthy directly caused the ruin - professionally, financially and personally - of scores of Americans (more than a few of whom committed suicide), whose only "crimes" were the exercise of their rights under the Constitution.

These people will doubtless cite "experts" and "research" that "prove" their points,

[AJNorth]

whether it be that global climate change is a hoax - or that the Earth is six-thousand years old.

With a stunning aversion to verify for themselves assertions and claims made by others, and the failure of the media to responsibly inform an incurious populace, Americans are ripe for plucking - yet another sign that we are at the "end of empire."

Two books that ought to be rediscovered and widely read are Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer" and "It Can't Happen Here," by Sinclair Lewis.

[Brough1111]

People that lost there jobs from that period should still have the ability to sue the goverment for such crazed accusations.

[Gmmof]

Welch is tremendous here. It's actually moving.

[crasmane1]

Proof positive that God made good men in order to humble arrogant men.

[remyworldpeace]

McCarthy got Pwned

[DoctorPlausible]

Was that applause at the end?

[PeterBluth]

Senator McCarthy was indeed a coward. However, he was right on, at least, two of his accusations. I don't know which ones, but I know two were probably right.

Still, two correct accusations do not make what he did right.

[set123]

McCarthy is scum.

[dmjarrington]

GO JOE

[cmloz]

Welch is using the classic tactic of the left. In defending his employee against supposed character assassination by McCarthy, he never repudiates the facts but instead indulges in his own far worse ad hominem attack on McCarthy as cruel, reckless, indecent etc.

[OutlanderWarrior]

@cmloz, bingo. That was the first thing I noticed. He was a good actor and excelled at what the left always does: demagoguery. It was good emotional manipulation but was very short on facts. I just love the phony, pseudo-compassionate voice Welch used when complaining about the character assassination of the young man. I've heard that before, from a liberal actor who lives in my building.

[billcbren]

You people-for lack of a better term-who are defending McCarthy and his henchmen don't care about freedom, democracy or any other high-flown ideals. You are-as McCarthy, Cohn and all the rest were-cowardly thugs who would like to see those you hate(liberals, minorities, pacifists, socialists)demonized and brought low. The Communist Party has never been of any significance in this country and you swine know it. It was a bogeyman used to crush dissent. You are a disgrace to true American ideals.

[gusfromflorida]

billcbren, who the hell are YOU to talk about freedom? YOU want crooked politicians to force people to give money to other people.

[minusjason]

Every time I see someone spouting this stuff about the government taking peoples' money I have to ask... do you think there should be no taxes?

[cmloz]

Its funny how the left never worried about the HCUAC when it operated during the war years searching for supposed fascist sympathizers. When it was hurting the right they never voiced any concern. When the tables were turned and it investigated the communist agents and sympathizers, all of a sudden it was a "witch hunt". Joe McCarthy, where are you when your country needs you most....

[sodak25]

are you insane?

[cmloz]

Nice ad hominem attack. Saves actually having to use your brain to construct an argument.

[sodak25]

ok heres one, McCarthy was a drunk who "exposed" and blacklisted hundreds who did nothing wrong. He gained from playing off the fears of a nation in the midst of a de facto war to increase his own notoriety and power. Perhaps some on his list were communists, but we can be sure that his methods were the antithesis of the american patriot he paraded around pretending to be.

[cmloz]

You see, drunk is another ad hominem attack. And it was not a de facto war. The cold war was fought remotely in places like Vietnam, but it was still fought. McCarthy may have been aggressive in his methods, but he was right more often than not

[Grokstar35]

Wrong. History remembers him as an opportunistic fool, a demagogue, a drunk, and his committee as a complete miscarriage of justice and an abusive power. Textbook by now. Read Barry Goldwater's book. Ad Hominem attack!! What did the Senator from Wisconsin do to all these people?!!!

[cmloz]

History? Really? Maybe you should look a little bit further than your high-school American Studies class and undergraduate groupthink and discover the intellectual capacity to frame independent or even nuanced opinions. Goldwater was a very strong supporter of McCarthy. Yes, he said McCarthy was a drinker, and had an abrupt style, but Goldwater remained a loyal supporter throughout.

[guysmiley00]

I'd love to see a tally on that - given the sheer number of people McCarthy slandered as Communist agents or sympathizers, and hence, as traitors, for him to have been "right more often than not", there must have been more Soviets in America than Americans.

[cmloz]

There was no shortage of Soviet and communist sympathizers and agitators in the US then. Lenin called them "useful idiots". The inheritors of this vapid, intellectually bankrupt leftism are still with us today. Search for Anita Hill and Mao Tse Tung.

[guysmiley00]

That's not a tally, cmloz - kindly put up or shut up.

The plural of anecdote is not data - and you don't even have anecdotes.

[cmloz]

Obtuse pedantry. Sigh. Why don't we take it one by one. Let's start with Harry Dexter White - a Soviet agent that, along with the severely discredited JM Keynes, oversaw the Bretton Woods agreement that gave us the IMF, World Bank etc. Fairly significant, I'm sure you'd agree.

[CrazyHorseInvincible]

The HCUAC was hurting the right during WW2? Was there something about their ideology that made it easy to confuse with fascism?

[cmloz]

What small number of fascist sympathizers there may have been in the 30s and 40s - and there were some - was dwarfed by the number of communists that existed in the US in McCarthy's time and up to today

[CrazyHorseInvincible]

Really...is that the question I asked? Did I ask whether the same number of fascist sympathizers existed in the 30s and 40s as communists in McCarthy's time?

[cmloz]

Thought I'd expedite the argument. Made the assumption you were arguing the investigations of the right were justified, and those of the left were not. If that is not your position, apologies.

[BroughamConspiracy]

@billcbren OMG that is the most pompous, ignorant statement I've heard in a long time. You truly are a useful idiot. While Mao was ramping up the Cultural Revolution that killed 30 million, and Stalin put the finishing touches on his butchering, a hamhanded JM had the temerity to question the 'educated' leftist elite about fellow ideological travellers in our society. God help us! The opened KGB files have shown how deeply rooted the spy networks were. You're the disgrace, assclown!

[BradNC11175]

If they didn't need Joe McCarthy in the 1940s we damned sure need a guy like him now.

[HS22181]

McCarthy and Cohn = fag assed fascists.

[93Hondax2]

joseph mccarthy is not a hero he ruined many peoples lives.

[andrea585ny]

frankklaassen - could you please post the exchange between Welch and Cohn.

I've never seen it. Thanx

[brutbos]

Joseph McCarthy a BIGGER THAN LIFE AMERICAN HERO.

[waltmanxp]

Yes he was

[prrolg]

Holding opinion was not in question. Subverting the gov't as the paid work of a foreign power and holding membership in a secret political party were illegal and treasonous activities. A very wide difference there.