glenn beck is basically telling the viewers what john todd told people a long time ago...the book "atlas shrugged" is part of the plan that power elites have for the united states.
@bethmariew - That is absurd. The people that shrugged the atlas (i.e. bailed out) in the book had nothing to do with the machinations of the state and decided enough was enough.
US congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has come out and blamed the pro-Israel Lobby in America (AIPAC, ADL, ZOA, etc) for ruining her political career. While in congress she refused to sign the pro-Israel pledge and took a pro-Palestinian stance. Because of this, McKinney said “war was declared” on her by the Jewish lobby. In 2009 she told TIU's Ognir that “more than 99% of Congress work for Pro Zionist Israeli interests.”
wow I can't believe the level of his ignorance. I read Atlas Shrug in a matter of a week, Beck is such an ass. He's not recommending Rand's book; he's bashing the book by implying who has the time to read a book this long because he thinks everyone is like him and can only learn from watching bullshit news from FOX and obviously the History channel, I don't see how America let's him air his show full of meaningless garbage that has nothing to relate with real issues and a means of solving them.
@GtheBEAR You're a fucking idiot, he's saying that congress is voting on a bill they didn't read. I can find the clips a congressman admitting and DEFENDING the fact that he SHOULD vote before he reads. Would you like to see it?
@PhantoMPhreeK92 There you go again. You don't make your point more valid by denigrating people. Your point, if you have one, gets lost in a torrent of abuse.
Actually no. Ayn Rand did not use specific research in her documentation. She just kinda read over Aristotle, decided that "axioms" were the right way, and hammered out immovable theories. She did not understand Aristotle when he said the world was painted in different shades of gray. She claimed that everything belongs to an extreme (black or white), which is like saying everyone is either Dem or Repub.
Ayn Rand was an Atheist. Glenn Beck is a religious nut case. Ayn Rand said to use honesty, research-based information, logic, reality, truth...and ethics. Beck says to just pray and believe in Jesus or his Mormon god and just everything will come out peachy keen. Beck has not a clue what Ayn Rand said ...but, its nice for him to recommend reading Atlas Shrugged.
@dvwxxx ayn rand was similar to beck in that she was also a nut, she led a cult at best, said a woman should not become president, said we should take the oil in the middle east because it was OURS by force if necessary, she was completely nuts, so she and beck are kindred spirits
@MrHammod60 Minus the whole 'BY the people, OF the people," thing. That means the people run the people, not the government. In case you were wondering.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Of the people, for the people by the people refers to a government of the people, for the people by the people. Lincoln was saying that the government which governed the people, was taken from the people themselves, rather than from a hereditary, aristocratic class and operated for the good of the people (amounts to socialism), rather than the benefit of someone else.
The whole idea of Global warming is junk science,and the bill is nothing more than more taxation without representation.Heres a picture of a glacier in 1932 ,heres a picture of a glacier in 2002 is not science.
@infraredna You don't seem to know anything at all about climate science. Scientists aren't stupid, and there are multiple climate models (that are too complicated for a layperson, much less a politician, to explain/understand). They don't look at pictures of glaciers.
It's funny that so many uneducated people have decided climate scientists are dumb based on the criticism of political pundits and a handful of geologists.
@BenkaiDebussy Then let's see some evidence, Yoda. Show me some science. Because most the reports are simply graphs and numbers. But since the average bear is too stupid to understand, why don't you educate everyone?
@PhantoMPhreeK92 The average bear is quite capable of understanding a graph that shows an increase in global temperatures that starts with the industrial revolution and rises in lockstep with the increase in carbon emissions. That's not hard to understand, even for the average bear.
@Scootertuner1000 Except there's just as many reports showing that the eart has been cooling off, and those advocating the Global Warming bullshit have even denounced it.
Wow, this surely is a low point. he's basically saying The Climate Change bill is too long for him to read, and too long for his idiot audience to read (or at least an audience he assumes are idiots), and must be too long for those voting on it to read, therefor, because he has no idea what is in the bill, it must be voted against because who knows what awful things could be in there. This is pure propaganda... Propaganda that tells you to think a certain way without needing to explain why.
@Scootertuner1000 So you were or were not trying to imply that Beck was a hypocrit because Ayn Rand is pro choice? He's said various times that he's pro life. Ton answer your question, uhm, you. It's hilarious how people who make stupid comments back down so easily when someone calls them on it.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 No I am not. He is a hypocrite. He chooses to ignore that in her because it suits his agenda. My comment was not stupid and I am not backing down or away from it. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Glenn Beck. There was nothing in my reply that said I wasn't trying to imply he is a hypocrite and nothing in my reply that said I was backing down. The stupid comment came from you my dear. You assumed I was backing away from what I said. You shouldn't make assumptions
@Scootertuner1000 "whoever said it did?" Really? You didn't say that? Sorry, sweetie. I wasn't assuming anything, I was reading loud and clear. You shouldn't put your foot in your mouth.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 You really are grasping at straws. I did not say Beck wasn't a hypocrite, I said he was. Do you have limited English ability, sweetie?
@Scootertuner1000 It's called sarcasm. I was askign for to tell me that you weren't implying Beck wasn't a hypocrite because it was blatantly obvious you were. And you backed down when I called you on it, every comment after this has been to hide oyur ass. I can't wait to see Obama do the same since he's got about as much leg to stand on in this election as you do in this argument. LMFAO. You're so cute when you're confused.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 But I didn't back down, He is a hypocrite which I have said again and again. So what do you think you are talking about? You are really quite silly.
I will say it again for you, just in case you think I am backing away from what I said. Beck is a hypocrite, he CHOOSES to ignore Rand's views on abortion because they do not suit his agenda. There I said it again. I don't call that backing away, I call it front you out. Do you need some remedial help with comprehension?
@Scootertuner1000 DID YOU WATCH THE CLIP?? Seriously, he didn't say SHIT about Rand. He said, this book is long- the bill they're choosing to vote on is much longer. So they're voting on a bill they haven't read. Are you gonna whine about him not being christian enough because he held up a Harry Potter book as an example of a long book? Cry me. A river.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 He does in other clips. He is an ardent supporter of her philosophy. He just chooses to ignore some of the most important parts because they don't suit his agenda. I saw your other comment about her not being in favor of partial birth abortion, post a link. I can not find anything anywhere in which she says she is against partial birth abortion. where is it?
@PhantoMPhreeK92 This is copied from the Ayn Rand Institute website.
"An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn)."
The last phrase "or the unborn" says it all. A baby that is murdered by dilation and extraction (the medical term for partial birth abortion) is not yet born so according to Ayn Rand has no rights.
@Scootertuner1000 I will make this simple for you. "Why does liking a point that someone makes mean you love their every move" "Whoever said it did", means just that. That doesn't make Beck any less of a hypocrite though, considering his anti choice or rather pro-life attitude. BTW I am very very pro life.
The "It's the woman's body" argument is complete BS, it's the baby's body and life.
@Scootertuner1000 YOU, are saying it does. YOU are saing that Beck liking the point that Rand makes in her work makes him a hypocrit for supporting her ideas simply because she, personally, has some more radical ideas. You go live in Soviet Russia, tell me you don't have some radical ideas.
I made no assumptions. But it's amusing to watch you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off now that I've called you out on your bullshit.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Do you have some kind of a comprehension problem? YES I think he is a hypocrite. You made a ton of assumptions, just as you are right now. No bullshit about it. Beck is a hypocrite, he chooses to ignore this woman's views on abortion because it doesn't suit his agenda. It's pretty obvious, there's nothing bullshit about that. The only one running around like a chicken without a head is you. You are making a complete ass of yourself
@Scootertuner1000 I love how you're completely ignoring the actual argument for semantics. It's okay, I've called you on your bullshit, and you're still back tracking. You won't win this argument, so I'll just let you continue to make a fool of yourself.
Please, talk some more about how I've made assumptions about implications that you didn't put out there to be made. Please, it's a fucking riot.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 I'd like to know where the bullshit was too. I only see bullshit coming from your side. Just an observation from a third party. What is "the actual argument"?
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Okay, wise one, tell me, what is the actual argument? One assumption you made is that I am a liberal. Someone who believes as I do that abortion is the murder of an unborn child and that it is not the woman's right to choose as it is not her body she is destroying, but that of an unborn child, could hardly be called a liberal. I am calling Beck out on his hypocrisy for ignoring Rand's views on abortion. Here's a clip of what rand thinks about abortion. watch?v=I4JWE7mp8nI
@Scootertuner1000 Beck said nothing about Rand in the clip, he simply said the book was long and yet shorter than a bill congress is PASSING without READING.
That's the argument. But way to go bringing irrelevant points into the discussion. I never said Rand wasn't an extremist, in fact- pretty damn sure I covered that point. You might do well to gain some connective brain tissue. Or at least be able to stay on track. But you're obviously really good at blowing steam.
We all know how Beck feels about Rand, there are many videos right here on YT that show that. I am sick and tired of people taking some parts of Rand's philosophy as Gospel and completely ignoring other parts because it doesn't suit their twisted agenda. It would seem that you are the one who needs to gain some connective brain tissue in order to make the connections you appear to be missing.
@Scootertuner1000 Which goes back to my original point, why does liking Rand's philosophies mean we have to love the woman herself? By and large, conservatives are the ones supporting Rand, SO- aren't liberals suppposed to be big on shades of grey?
So, if you could this time, answer the original question instead of asking me 'whoever said it did' when YOU just did. Quite frankly, idgaf about your question. I'll answer yours after you answer mine. Go.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Here's another clip of what Rand thinks about abortion. Never any mention of the innocent life being snuffed out, just that of the selfish and stupid person who got pregnant although it can be avoided and who as a result of not being able to keep her legs shut and also not taking any measures to prevent pregnancy now thinks it is her right to murder an unborn human baby. watch?v=H0yUjMklVuI
@Scootertuner1000 Except its not. Since all he did was talk about the length of the book. Last time I checked length had nothing to do with content. But maybe I shouldn't use the dictionary to define my words. Maybe I should just you, since you seem to be an expret on relevancy. But shit, I don't even know what that means. You know, so why don't you educate me? Hell, I'm not even sure what that means. I only pay attention to facts.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Again is that really the best you can do? You might do better actually making points instead of ignoring truths and insulting people.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 "Why does liking a point that someone makes mean you love their every move. Aren't liberals supposed to be big on 'shades of grey'? How does "Glenn, are you pro life or pro choice? Ayn Rand was pro choice" say anything, it was a question. So your response was premature, because no one had said anything yet. That is why I responded with "Who ever said it did" What I posed was a question, not a statement. followed by a statement of fact "Ayn Rand was pro choice.
@Scootertuner1000 I see what you are saying, she made an assumption about whether you are liberal or not. I would say someone who is as obviously pro choice as you are can not really be called liberal. I see you were just trying to make people think. It made me think and I would say that Beck is a hypocrite for choosing to ignore her beliefs on abortion because they as you put it, "don't suit his agenda" PhantomPhreeK92 seems to lack any kind of critical thinking if she/he doesn't see that.
@RoehmErnst Or perhaps because he's only talking about the length of the book and the fact that people are voting on a bill before reading it. I WATCHED the clip, I think you and your friend haven't. Have a nice life flipping burgers.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Given that, your answering my question with another question made an assumption about what I believed and whether I am conservative or liberal. Sorry sweetie, you messed up.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 From what I see he said "whoever said it did" meaning whoever said liking something that someone says means you have to like everything they said. He never said that, he asked a questions of Glenn Beck. Whoever said I was liberal means just that. Again from what I can tell this guy (scooter) is very pro life, does that count him as a liberal?
@PhantoMPhreeK92 He (scooter) is simply asking a question to make people think. If you are very pro life you can not be pro Ayn Rand. Beck is ignoring Rand's beliefs on abortion. That makes Beck a hypocrite and that makes Scooter's question perfectly valid. You are making yourself look stupid by arguing about it. Moreover you are making yourself look just as much a hypocrite as Mr. Beck. I'm not going to respond to any reply you have to this, it would be like responding to a sack of bricks
@RoehmErnst bullshit. If you're pro life you can't support Rand's theories on abortion. But if you're for individualism, you can absolutely be pro-Rand. That's what she advocates. Read her shit, before talking yours.
Sack of bricks? Damn, ingenius. Was that supposed to hurt? You befuddle me. SMH.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 This is interesting. Beck is pro life or at least professes to be. How can he then ignore her abortion views? Being an individualist, does not mean you get to ignore murdering children if you are also a pro lifer. Murder trumps being an individualist in this case, that's if you are or claim to be both.
Abortion is part of her views on individualism. She actually states she's against partial birth abortion, but she doesn't believe a single-celled fetus is life at that stage. It's the same basic principle as Stem Cell research. SOO... try again.
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Really? When did I say that? That I wasn't gonna reply that is. Show me where she states she is against partial birth abortion. I want to see her say it. I don't believe what you are saying is correct.
@MrHammod60 ayn rand was similar to beck in that she was also a nut, she led a cult at best, said a woman should not become president, said we should take the oil in the middle east because it was OURS by force if necessary, she was completely nuts, so she and beck are kindred spirits
@RoehmErnst You're not gonna reply, but you have no problem running your mouth. Thanks for the obvious rundown of what's happening though. Once again, you're a fucking genius the world couldn't do without. Points for legitimacy.
@Scootertuner1000 I make plenty of points. You're just choosing to ignore them because it doens't suit your agenda. But it's okay, Glenn Beck. you done now?
Two points. First, many of the items they are voting on were already negotiated before the bill was introduced. Second, they have a staff of 20 people who could divide it up and summarize it for legislators before a vote. Seen it done.
Second, where was this view when the Patriot Act was introduced?
I don't think Glenn Beck was recommending "Atlas Shrugged" in this video. He was recommending that Congress read a Climate Change Bill that was longer than the book.
Ayn Rand would have despised modern republicans like Beck because of their ideological ties to Christianity. Rand and William Buckley agreed on almost everything except religion and she wouldn't even share the same building with him because of it. Rand also despised Ronald Reagan because of his positive view of family and religion. It's amazing how many Christian conservatives idolize a woman who would for her part consider them beneath her.
Plus Atlas Shrugged is not even a good book, insidiously boring and with the character of a standard table spoon. It didn't even make the ABC top 1001 books of all time, and for good reason!
Most people are devoted to it because it's the only book they've bothered to bloody well read in their sad lives.
@WikeddTung Yes. Ayn Rand had some strange ideas that I don't agree with, mostly Objectivism. But her position and theory on government is dead on correct.
@TurboFuss1 interesting that her "theories" of government (which can be no less intellectually vacuous or morally repugnant than her theories on anything else as they are part & parcel of a piece.) could be perceived by any rational person as "dead on correct" since they have NEVER been attempted, instituted or put into practice anywhere in the world, ever in history. (fortunately) in order for a theory to be "correct" it has to be proven to work successfully.
@WikeddTung Don't think you are something you're not. I know exactly what you are doing and it's not working. Trying to "act smart" isn't your style. The reason it's never been tried is because of corruption. Humans are naturally corrupt. I still believe there are some people who will hopefully have the chance to show the world just how successful a genuine libertarian society can be. Freedom and greater prosperity for all.
@TurboFuss1 lol, thanks for telling me what my "style" is. i'll keep that in mind.
as for your assertion about rand's theories of government NOT being plausible because human beings are "corrupt"... yes, indeed we are. sooo...
on what planet then are you suggesting rand's theories should be tried if not on this one? perhaps the plutonians are more noble? you & the other teabags can move there & live happily ever after according to rand's theories. before replying, STOP & try THINKING. lol.
@WikeddTung The tea party was hijacked by crazy neocons. They try to portray themselves as tea party activists. Perry, Romney, Palin, FUCKS News, I mean Fox news, these are not part of the tea party
@T you don't seem like a bad guy, just a bit misguided. let me help you out; no reputable intellectual takes ayn rand seriously. as literature her books were poorly written cartoons with the sophistication of aesop fables. as philosophy her ideas about politics, society & morality are literally retarded; the definition of which is stopped growth, stunted development. this is why many smart social misfits fall in love with atlas shrugged in high school & outgrow it by sophomore year in college.
@TurboFuss1 - "Freedom and greater prosperity for all." - Nope, it's just a "fuck you jack, I am ok" mentality. A hapering for days gone by when the land was there for the taking and all you needed was a gun and your own plot of land and you was in control of your own life and needs. Maybe it's been culturally passed down through the few generations since that time but it's a naive one to think that you can live with the same kind backwards political views in modern times.
@WikeddTung - "in order for a theory to be "correct" it has to be proven to work successfully." - Not true, you just need to change what the words "theory" and "correct" mean and you are in business. It's what the teabaggers do best and might i tell you that by doing so it will lead great leaps in human prosperity, banks will flourish, there will be no wars or terrorism, every child will have enough to eat and be properly clothes, there will be no terrorism...... Ah wait...
@WikeddTung Excuse me but I think Rand's point is so often misrepresented. The real point of her work (fountainhead and atlas) is the supreme importance of competence and ability. Galileo, Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin, Bill Gates, Sam Walton, John D. Rockefeller, and others whose intellectual ability gifted the human race with knowledge, technology, and progress. She thinks it's morally repugnant for an unproductive, or foolish person to be given any money earned by someone like Bill Gates.
@WikeddTung it does,& it requires participation of rational human beings. If you walked into a gang war and told everybody they should stop fighting, they would probably shoot you. Does that mean your theory to stop fighting was morally unjustified b/c it didn't work? of course not. So I don't see your point. objectivism is the closest pragmatic solution to a peaceful world if used rationally b/c it is consistant with natural selection which is the only constant reality we know to work
@M16musicc What the fuck does natural selection have to do with objectivism? All natural selection cares about is whether you have children. How much money you make has no impact on whether your genes are passed on. And even if it was relevant, why in the world would someone think it's the best way to achieve a *peaceful* world? Life was awful for most people prior to the advent of society and, more recently, social safety nets. The poverty rate in the 19th century ranged from 30-50%.
@BenkaiDebussy you can answer your first question by educating yourself about the scientific consistancies regarding it. do your homework (as in peer viewed science and philosophy- not youtubing) and then get back to me and tell me why you learned natural selection is COMPLETELY consistent with objectivism. i'll wait for you...
@WikeddTung Her theories are in fact based on logic, so obviously anarcho capitalism with a minimal government is a better goal that what we have right now.
It's a shame Ayn didn't factor in OIL. Glenn used to talk about it quite often, but stopped a few years ago when the oil industry's propaganda machine bought him. He changed his message, and I stopped watching. Maybe now, he'll begin talking about the TRUE reason for the economic situation: PEAK OIL. Google: glenn beck peak oil
I don't believe that Ayn Rand would appreciate Glenn Beck throwing her book down like that. Such sacrilege to mistreat the bible of free market capitalism.
Ayn Rand was a moron who thought she could survive on her own genius but when cancer threatened to wipe out the little bit of wealth she managed to put away for her old age she changed her name and applied for welfare benefits. The queen of the Libertarians, a stupid bitch preaching to the ignorant. She had a modicum of success on her own but like other so called self made successes, when she failed and she turned to the state to keep her ass off the street.
A "moron" that wrote TWO 1000 page novels, numeros other works of fiction, and a great deal of great nonfiction books. Also the founder of an entire philosopical system diametrically opposed to the current default.
@JOBGG16 Actually The Fountainhead was like 650 pages. I don't like her novel work but I do agree with her position on the role of government in society (which is almost none)
@JOBGG16 no reputable intellectual takes ayn rand seriously. as literature her books were poorly written cartoons with the sophistication of aesop fables. as philosophy her ideas about politics, society & morality are literally retarded; the definition of which is stopped growth, stunted development. this is why many smart social misfits fall in love with atlas shrugged in high school & outgrow it by sophomore year in college.
@logtype47 - That is a little simplistic and one that resides in a person who hasn't taken any time to study what she wrote. She wrote of an alternative to the system that she lives in. In that situation it was as she described. As she paid taxes all her life she was seeking only that in which she paid for in the system that she lives in. To use your argument you would slate anyone that harbour philosphical ideals of democracy but lives in a communist state. It's a big fail, really.
@TheSpankymonkey Not simplistic in the least bit. Social security recipients receive more than they put into the system. Her medicare bills also surpassed her contribution in taxes. Rand is a sneaky thief and your half-ass defense of her actions is classic example of cognitive dissonance.
@logtype47 I strongly suspect you never read The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged. I like Rand's work. Do you know why? Because I got all A's in school - and I always resented the notion of splitting my grade with someone who got an F, that way we could both get C's. Fair right? Thats socialism in a nutshell. When I first got out of the army I didn't have a lot of money but I worked very hard and now I have my own business. Why should I give awat my hard earned money? Why?
@airborneinfantry888 What makes a person with straight A's go into the army? This makes no sense.
Did you attend college? Who loaned you money for this so-called business? You're likely from a southern state. Your hyper-simplistic understanding of Rand strongly suggests it.
@logtype47 First off, I had a little bit of chuckle with you "southern state" jab. What state are you from might I ask? I am from Florida. I graduated HS with a 3.8 GPA and I had 1480 on my SATs. Not saying that makes me smart - but there it is. I did not attend college because I enlisted right after HS and served from 06-10 when I got out and came back to FL - I started a pool cleaning company with the money I saved. It's fairly successful now and I attend USF with the G.I bill.
@logtype47 First off, I had a little bit of chuckle with you "southern state" jab. What state are you from might I ask? I am from Florida. I graduated HS with a 3.8 GPA and I had 1480 on my SATs. Not saying that makes me smart - but there it is. I did not attend college because I enlisted right after HS and served from 06-10 when I got out and came back to FL - I started a pool cleaning company with the money I saved. It's fairly successful now and I attend USF with the G.I bill.
@logtype47 First off, I had a little bit of chuckle with you "southern state" jab. What state are you from might I ask? I am from Florida. I graduated HS with a 3.8 GPA and I had 1480 on my SATs. Not saying that makes me smart - but there it is. I did not attend college because I enlisted right after HS and served from 06-10 when I got out and came back to FL - I started a pool cleaning company with the money I saved. It's fairly successful now and I attend USF with the G.I bill.
@logtype47 I know loads of people who have done it. One thing is that they can't afford college and so go in to get the GI Bill, others go straight in because that's what they want to do or because they are really patriotic. My son went in because he always wanted to be in the USAF. He joined while he was still in college, chose to go straight to basic training rather than waiting till he finished college. that was shortly after 911, he's still in and graduated Cum Laude several years ago.
@logtype47 Uhm, CHOICE? Aren't you liberal supposed to be all FOR that? What's wrong with serving your country? IDK what the fuck you think war is, but a military full of smart, enterprising, men is much more powerful than a couple dope smokers who thought the military would be nice cause it wold pay for their shit. Those douchebags probably got rejected because of their history in mind-altering drugs anyway.
These 2 con artists (Beck and Rand) belong together. Neither of them worked a day in their life and yet they proclaim what morality is. Their popularity is a testament to American stupidity and why America does not lead the world in anything anymore.
@perdondaris it looks like they worked plenty to me. the only people not working are the ones sitting on welfare and unemployment checks. and why should they? we're willing to pay their way through life, providing them no hope of progress
@Welsh77 No, talking into a microphone is not work. It's bullshitting to an ignorant audience. The same thing millions of ignorant people do at work. He doesn't know history or economics. Ayn Rand is dead so she doesn't think anything about anything. People of her character however--crass opportunists--support the GOP. Her capitalist ideology is as mystical as Beck's Mormonism. By the way Welfare checks go to men and women who fought in America's foreign wars.
@perdondaris it actually is work. it's a service of entertainment that people are willing to pay for, by buying televisions and cable. there was a demand for his voice, people watched him for a while. i consider work providing a service or product that there is demand for, or investing in something that demands capital.
@Welsh77 Well politicians work too. They run for elected office (it's not easy). They do all of the things Beck does--holding forth philosophically on issues, creating legislation, holding hearings on threats to national security, working on getting reelected. Politicians work hard and are unappreciated. Just think how Bush successfully won 3 gubernatorial elections and back to back presidential elections. That isn't easy even if your daddy was a president once--just ask FDR or Ike's kids.
@perdondaris i never said politicians didn't work, but the simple fact of the matter is that government will always be inefficient. i dont blame politicians for making mistakes, i blame our country for magnifying their mistakes by allowing them to make so many decisions that should be left to the free market. i appreciate politicians' work to serve the country, but the fact that they're humans and naturally flawed impairs their ability to work for the common good.
@Welsh77 - "but the fact that they're humans and naturally flawed impairs their ability to work for the common good." - Your argument is simply invalid. The exact same thing can be said of the "free market". There seems to be this misguided conception that the free market can't do anything wrong. Which simply is not true at all as has been demonstrated time after fucking time that it is becoming a joke in itself to even use it as an argument. The motivation to make profits impairs!
@TheSpankymonkey i never said any system does anything perfectly. everyone is flawed in some areas and good in others, that's why spreading the job out on millions in the market is the way to minimize the error. giving a few people immense decision-making power amplifies their flaws, whoever they are, on the rest of us. the market makes decisions more efficiently than bureaucrats. the free market is to blame for very little, government creates problems and crises, like the depression and now
@TheSpankymonkey The motivation to make profits impairs? Thats a joke my friend. Do you have a job? What is your motive when you show up to work everyday? To make money isn't it? There is no compulsion in a free market. Individuals only trade through VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE to MUTUAL BENEFIT. You wouldn't go in to work if you didn't think you were going to gain. Your boss wouldn't have hired you if he didn't think he was going to gain from it. In a freemarket the most able rise to the top.
@airborneinfantry888 - What the fuck are you on. You start my telling me that my comment "The motivation to make profits impairs?" is a joke and then go on to talk to me like i don't understand what work is. I would of loved to of seen you say that little tirade to my face. Prick. My comment, the motivation to make profits was in context of doing greater social good. You might not like that, i might not like that but the comment remains the same and equally as valid as before you cocked it up.
@TheSpankymonkey Impairs what? Praytell? How the hell do you expect to drive a car without money to buy it or put gas in it? How do you think you earn this money? It's not by breaking even.
The free market; you gonna give up a car because the sparkplugs gave out or are you gonna replace the sparkplugs? Everything has it's flaws because humans are flawed. Some of us are out for others blood, but the will of a few doesn't represent the heart of the many.
@perdondaris that's why we have a constitution, so that they only promote the common good within their powers. now that we've shat on that document for more than a century, our country is spinning out of control quickly, and a collapse is inevitable at this rate. you've got too many people contributing little to nothing to society. not because of their own fault, but because they've been raised in an environment of dependency on someone (govt) who just relies on someone else.
@perdondaris perhaps you don't know anything about economics. you're right about us not leading the world though, we're too busy apologizing for all the opportunity that we've provided
Despite any flaws (who doesn't have any), Ayn Rand's contribution to the defense of an individual's right to his own life and property are monumental.
Read "Atlas Shrugged". It will change your outlook on life.
@missnoorulain1 Ultimately the message is this; "I swear; by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." It would be a bit of a spoiler but if you want you could google "John Galts speech". amberandchaos(.)com has the full speech but truly I would recommend reading it.
@BrcCmplfan objectivism agrees perfectly with the golden rule. Objectivism= Don't sacrifice yourself for others and don't sacrifice others for your self. And, use your reasoning to determine right from wrong. If objectivism is your philosophy then you would prefer others to treat you the same. Ayn Rand is a little deeper than just "be selfish."
@13CIRCLE He changes Alex words on issues to suit the Mormon agenda. He is incapable of coming to terms with the truth of 911/WTC. His true master are the Mormon Hierarchy and their agenda. He uses Mormonese phrases in his talks. If he promotes something you can be sure there is a Mormon at the $ end. He is a lackey for the colluding globalist kleptocrats of which the Hierarchy is an active participant. Mormonism is the NWO in 1840. The Hierarchy is good at control of sheeple thru subtle lies
The modern financial crises was created through the directives of government, and the only man who could of stopped it was alan greenspan, who was a student of ayn rands collective, he warned in 1996 that this would happen, but he was told to keep silent. He did and in doing so he denounced everything he believed, and the governments continued to facilitate an environment which created the basis for the east asian crises which precipitated ourown demise, these are the facts, the absolutes.
in a truly free market economy, markets would never fail. take away any form of social welfare and you will have a society that is formed through individual choices rather than a dictated form of quasi-socialist managed capitalism. Markets have only ever crashed through the interference of the state. History can prove that point from the depression, to the east asian crises to the modern financial crash.
@nanthikan You are correct. Without constant interference by Congress; the Fed; and FMNA / FMAC, the real estate markets would have never been able to reach such an insane speculative bubble. A perfect example
@nanthikan It sounds wonderful "in a truly free market economy, markets would never fail" "take away any form of social welfare and you will have a society that is formed through individual choices" Unfortunately that's not what happens. What history teaches us that in a society without democracy and balance the rich and there off spring get richer and more powerful while the bulk of the poor and unable get poorer and more unable until the poor say "bollocks to this" and kill all the rich.
I really dont mean to sound patronising and I would really like to discuss this further with you, but have you read Ayn Rand? And I really do not mean that in a negative sense, I dont want a slanging match just its important to the point I want to make.
@nanthikan No, until a year agoI had never heard of Rand and I'm a 68 yr old Brit. If your point is I am speaking out of ignorance then I plead guilty. In my defence I have never read "Das Capital" but I know that over time communism would not work. I've read "Mein Kampf " but I'm no NAZI struggled to understand the Bible or Koran, failed. If all I knew about Rand were the few comments you made it would be enough to know her ideas are sterile and would not work in a civilised society. Regards
@nanthikan Markets were failing long b4 any governments got involved through Insider greed & manipulations as well as mass movements in the wrong direction. What may seem sensible for one person maybe crazy for 100K people do it.
That is categorically untrue In Niall Fergusons new book Civilization the west and the rest,he highlights several instances of societies across the world that have failed whilst others succeeded, from the Ottamans to the Ming dynasty Simon Bolivar in south america, Any authority when they are in charge of a mass of people they influence the economy, so tell me when was there no hierarchical structure in a society and markets failed even mesopotamia had markets and authority
liberal, was once a champion of free speech; nowadays stands for oppression of people like Glenn;;;; Get some fresh air....
joeasmythe 4 days ago
glenn beck is basically telling the viewers what john todd told people a long time ago...the book "atlas shrugged" is part of the plan that power elites have for the united states.
bethmariew 2 weeks ago
@bethmariew - That is absurd. The people that shrugged the atlas (i.e. bailed out) in the book had nothing to do with the machinations of the state and decided enough was enough.
magentawave 1 week ago
Lol, what's with the turtles?
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LordLindsey12 3 weeks ago
Why are there turtles? Dear god why are there turtles?
WilliamGarland 1 month ago
wow I can't believe the level of his ignorance. I read Atlas Shrug in a matter of a week, Beck is such an ass. He's not recommending Rand's book; he's bashing the book by implying who has the time to read a book this long because he thinks everyone is like him and can only learn from watching bullshit news from FOX and obviously the History channel, I don't see how America let's him air his show full of meaningless garbage that has nothing to relate with real issues and a means of solving them.
GtheBEAR 1 month ago
@GtheBEAR You're a fucking idiot, he's saying that congress is voting on a bill they didn't read. I can find the clips a congressman admitting and DEFENDING the fact that he SHOULD vote before he reads. Would you like to see it?
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 There you go again. You don't make your point more valid by denigrating people. Your point, if you have one, gets lost in a torrent of abuse.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
Ayn Rand's theory doesn't work. I know because I played Bioshock.
BlizzardDust 1 month ago
He's just saying you can't read and understand the book or bill in 24 hrs. Stay on topic kids!
Rikenrocker 1 month ago
AYN RAND = GIANT MIND OF WORLD HISTORY
YOU = MENTAL FETUS
THAT IS ALL.....
P.S. READ HER BOOKS/SEE HER VIDEOS/START YOUR MENTAL GROWTH!!!!!!!!
raocool1986 1 month ago
@raocool1986 Even if you disagree, it gives you somethign to think about. Have some convictions, whether or not they please everybody.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
Actually no. Ayn Rand did not use specific research in her documentation. She just kinda read over Aristotle, decided that "axioms" were the right way, and hammered out immovable theories. She did not understand Aristotle when he said the world was painted in different shades of gray. She claimed that everything belongs to an extreme (black or white), which is like saying everyone is either Dem or Repub.
redshark618 2 months ago
@redshark618 This, is an opinion.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
Ayn Rand was an Atheist. Glenn Beck is a religious nut case. Ayn Rand said to use honesty, research-based information, logic, reality, truth...and ethics. Beck says to just pray and believe in Jesus or his Mormon god and just everything will come out peachy keen. Beck has not a clue what Ayn Rand said ...but, its nice for him to recommend reading Atlas Shrugged.
dvwxxx 2 months ago 17
@dvwxxx ayn rand was similar to beck in that she was also a nut, she led a cult at best, said a woman should not become president, said we should take the oil in the middle east because it was OURS by force if necessary, she was completely nuts, so she and beck are kindred spirits
Ruffneckization 2 weeks ago
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xcarlosssx 2 months ago
Of The People, For The People, By The People. Oh dear Glenn, that sounds like socialism.
MrHammod60 2 months ago 8
@MrHammod60 You hit it in the nail !!!!!
manmachine30 2 months ago
@manmachine30 LOL
MrHammod60 2 months ago
@MrHammod60 Minus the whole 'BY the people, OF the people," thing. That means the people run the people, not the government. In case you were wondering.
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@PhantoMPhreeK92 Of the people, for the people by the people refers to a government of the people, for the people by the people. Lincoln was saying that the government which governed the people, was taken from the people themselves, rather than from a hereditary, aristocratic class and operated for the good of the people (amounts to socialism), rather than the benefit of someone else.
MrHammod60 1 month ago
@MrHammod60 You mean when he wiped his ass with the constitution during the Civil war?
But thanks for repeating exactly what i said. You're an idiot.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 There you go again with the insults. Pathetic.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
Glenn Beck wants a BUkakke, and...
manmachine30 2 months ago
The whole idea of Global warming is junk science,and the bill is nothing more than more taxation without representation.Heres a picture of a glacier in 1932 ,heres a picture of a glacier in 2002 is not science.
infraredna 2 months ago
@infraredna You don't seem to know anything at all about climate science. Scientists aren't stupid, and there are multiple climate models (that are too complicated for a layperson, much less a politician, to explain/understand). They don't look at pictures of glaciers.
It's funny that so many uneducated people have decided climate scientists are dumb based on the criticism of political pundits and a handful of geologists.
BenkaiDebussy 2 months ago
@BenkaiDebussy Then let's see some evidence, Yoda. Show me some science. Because most the reports are simply graphs and numbers. But since the average bear is too stupid to understand, why don't you educate everyone?
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 The average bear is quite capable of understanding a graph that shows an increase in global temperatures that starts with the industrial revolution and rises in lockstep with the increase in carbon emissions. That's not hard to understand, even for the average bear.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 She uses insults and swears at people when she has no real argument.
RoehmErnst 1 month ago
@RoehmErnst You noticed that too. LOL
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 Except there's just as many reports showing that the eart has been cooling off, and those advocating the Global Warming bullshit have even denounced it.
Way to stay up on your information.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Really, show me some. Post a reputable scientific resource.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
Wow, this surely is a low point. he's basically saying The Climate Change bill is too long for him to read, and too long for his idiot audience to read (or at least an audience he assumes are idiots), and must be too long for those voting on it to read, therefor, because he has no idea what is in the bill, it must be voted against because who knows what awful things could be in there. This is pure propaganda... Propaganda that tells you to think a certain way without needing to explain why.
TechnoLeak 3 months ago
Glenn, are you pro life or pro choice? Ayn Rand was pro choice.
Scootertuner1000 3 months ago
@Scootertuner1000 Why does liking a point that someone makes mean you love their every move. Aren't liberals supposed to be big on 'shades of grey'?
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Whoever said it did and whoever said I was was a liberal?
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 So you were or were not trying to imply that Beck was a hypocrit because Ayn Rand is pro choice? He's said various times that he's pro life. Ton answer your question, uhm, you. It's hilarious how people who make stupid comments back down so easily when someone calls them on it.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 No I am not. He is a hypocrite. He chooses to ignore that in her because it suits his agenda. My comment was not stupid and I am not backing down or away from it. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Glenn Beck. There was nothing in my reply that said I wasn't trying to imply he is a hypocrite and nothing in my reply that said I was backing down. The stupid comment came from you my dear. You assumed I was backing away from what I said. You shouldn't make assumptions
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 "whoever said it did?" Really? You didn't say that? Sorry, sweetie. I wasn't assuming anything, I was reading loud and clear. You shouldn't put your foot in your mouth.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 You really are grasping at straws. I did not say Beck wasn't a hypocrite, I said he was. Do you have limited English ability, sweetie?
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 It's called sarcasm. I was askign for to tell me that you weren't implying Beck wasn't a hypocrite because it was blatantly obvious you were. And you backed down when I called you on it, every comment after this has been to hide oyur ass. I can't wait to see Obama do the same since he's got about as much leg to stand on in this election as you do in this argument. LMFAO. You're so cute when you're confused.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 But I didn't back down, He is a hypocrite which I have said again and again. So what do you think you are talking about? You are really quite silly.
I will say it again for you, just in case you think I am backing away from what I said. Beck is a hypocrite, he CHOOSES to ignore Rand's views on abortion because they do not suit his agenda. There I said it again. I don't call that backing away, I call it front you out. Do you need some remedial help with comprehension?
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 DID YOU WATCH THE CLIP?? Seriously, he didn't say SHIT about Rand. He said, this book is long- the bill they're choosing to vote on is much longer. So they're voting on a bill they haven't read. Are you gonna whine about him not being christian enough because he held up a Harry Potter book as an example of a long book? Cry me. A river.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Is that the best you can come up with? That's pathetic.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 He does in other clips. He is an ardent supporter of her philosophy. He just chooses to ignore some of the most important parts because they don't suit his agenda. I saw your other comment about her not being in favor of partial birth abortion, post a link. I can not find anything anywhere in which she says she is against partial birth abortion. where is it?
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 This is copied from the Ayn Rand Institute website.
"An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn)."
The last phrase "or the unborn" says it all. A baby that is murdered by dilation and extraction (the medical term for partial birth abortion) is not yet born so according to Ayn Rand has no rights.
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@Scootertuner1000 I will make this simple for you. "Why does liking a point that someone makes mean you love their every move" "Whoever said it did", means just that. That doesn't make Beck any less of a hypocrite though, considering his anti choice or rather pro-life attitude. BTW I am very very pro life.
The "It's the woman's body" argument is complete BS, it's the baby's body and life.
You've made a lot of assumptions
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Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 YOU, are saying it does. YOU are saing that Beck liking the point that Rand makes in her work makes him a hypocrit for supporting her ideas simply because she, personally, has some more radical ideas. You go live in Soviet Russia, tell me you don't have some radical ideas.
I made no assumptions. But it's amusing to watch you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off now that I've called you out on your bullshit.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Do you have some kind of a comprehension problem? YES I think he is a hypocrite. You made a ton of assumptions, just as you are right now. No bullshit about it. Beck is a hypocrite, he chooses to ignore this woman's views on abortion because it doesn't suit his agenda. It's pretty obvious, there's nothing bullshit about that. The only one running around like a chicken without a head is you. You are making a complete ass of yourself
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 I love how you're completely ignoring the actual argument for semantics. It's okay, I've called you on your bullshit, and you're still back tracking. You won't win this argument, so I'll just let you continue to make a fool of yourself.
Please, talk some more about how I've made assumptions about implications that you didn't put out there to be made. Please, it's a fucking riot.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 What do you think I am back tracking on then? Tell me, I'd love to know. Keep making a fool of yourself, be my guest.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago 2
@PhantoMPhreeK92 I'd like to know where the bullshit was too. I only see bullshit coming from your side. Just an observation from a third party. What is "the actual argument"?
RoehmErnst 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Okay, wise one, tell me, what is the actual argument? One assumption you made is that I am a liberal. Someone who believes as I do that abortion is the murder of an unborn child and that it is not the woman's right to choose as it is not her body she is destroying, but that of an unborn child, could hardly be called a liberal. I am calling Beck out on his hypocrisy for ignoring Rand's views on abortion. Here's a clip of what rand thinks about abortion. watch?v=I4JWE7mp8nI
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 Beck said nothing about Rand in the clip, he simply said the book was long and yet shorter than a bill congress is PASSING without READING.
That's the argument. But way to go bringing irrelevant points into the discussion. I never said Rand wasn't an extremist, in fact- pretty damn sure I covered that point. You might do well to gain some connective brain tissue. Or at least be able to stay on track. But you're obviously really good at blowing steam.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 That has nothing to do with my question.
We all know how Beck feels about Rand, there are many videos right here on YT that show that. I am sick and tired of people taking some parts of Rand's philosophy as Gospel and completely ignoring other parts because it doesn't suit their twisted agenda. It would seem that you are the one who needs to gain some connective brain tissue in order to make the connections you appear to be missing.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 Which goes back to my original point, why does liking Rand's philosophies mean we have to love the woman herself? By and large, conservatives are the ones supporting Rand, SO- aren't liberals suppposed to be big on shades of grey?
So, if you could this time, answer the original question instead of asking me 'whoever said it did' when YOU just did. Quite frankly, idgaf about your question. I'll answer yours after you answer mine. Go.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Here's another clip of what Rand thinks about abortion. Never any mention of the innocent life being snuffed out, just that of the selfish and stupid person who got pregnant although it can be avoided and who as a result of not being able to keep her legs shut and also not taking any measures to prevent pregnancy now thinks it is her right to murder an unborn human baby. watch?v=H0yUjMklVuI
Beck ignoring this is the height of hypocrisy.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 Except its not. Since all he did was talk about the length of the book. Last time I checked length had nothing to do with content. But maybe I shouldn't use the dictionary to define my words. Maybe I should just you, since you seem to be an expret on relevancy. But shit, I don't even know what that means. You know, so why don't you educate me? Hell, I'm not even sure what that means. I only pay attention to facts.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 You obviously only pay attention to what you want to pay attention to and ignore what you don't want to see.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 Said the kettle.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Again is that really the best you can do? You might do better actually making points instead of ignoring truths and insulting people.
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@PhantoMPhreeK92 "Why does liking a point that someone makes mean you love their every move. Aren't liberals supposed to be big on 'shades of grey'? How does "Glenn, are you pro life or pro choice? Ayn Rand was pro choice" say anything, it was a question. So your response was premature, because no one had said anything yet. That is why I responded with "Who ever said it did" What I posed was a question, not a statement. followed by a statement of fact "Ayn Rand was pro choice.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 I see what you are saying, she made an assumption about whether you are liberal or not. I would say someone who is as obviously pro choice as you are can not really be called liberal. I see you were just trying to make people think. It made me think and I would say that Beck is a hypocrite for choosing to ignore her beliefs on abortion because they as you put it, "don't suit his agenda" PhantomPhreeK92 seems to lack any kind of critical thinking if she/he doesn't see that.
RoehmErnst 1 month ago
@RoehmErnst Or perhaps because he's only talking about the length of the book and the fact that people are voting on a bill before reading it. I WATCHED the clip, I think you and your friend haven't. Have a nice life flipping burgers.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 If your original comment didn't 'say anything', you wouldn't have posted it.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 It was a question to make people think.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Given that, your answering my question with another question made an assumption about what I believed and whether I am conservative or liberal. Sorry sweetie, you messed up.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 From what I see he said "whoever said it did" meaning whoever said liking something that someone says means you have to like everything they said. He never said that, he asked a questions of Glenn Beck. Whoever said I was liberal means just that. Again from what I can tell this guy (scooter) is very pro life, does that count him as a liberal?
RoehmErnst 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 He (scooter) is simply asking a question to make people think. If you are very pro life you can not be pro Ayn Rand. Beck is ignoring Rand's beliefs on abortion. That makes Beck a hypocrite and that makes Scooter's question perfectly valid. You are making yourself look stupid by arguing about it. Moreover you are making yourself look just as much a hypocrite as Mr. Beck. I'm not going to respond to any reply you have to this, it would be like responding to a sack of bricks
RoehmErnst 1 month ago
@RoehmErnst bullshit. If you're pro life you can't support Rand's theories on abortion. But if you're for individualism, you can absolutely be pro-Rand. That's what she advocates. Read her shit, before talking yours.
Sack of bricks? Damn, ingenius. Was that supposed to hurt? You befuddle me. SMH.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 This is interesting. Beck is pro life or at least professes to be. How can he then ignore her abortion views? Being an individualist, does not mean you get to ignore murdering children if you are also a pro lifer. Murder trumps being an individualist in this case, that's if you are or claim to be both.
MrHammod60 1 month ago
@MrHammod60 hmm, thought you weren't gonna reply?
Abortion is part of her views on individualism. She actually states she's against partial birth abortion, but she doesn't believe a single-celled fetus is life at that stage. It's the same basic principle as Stem Cell research. SOO... try again.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Really? When did I say that? That I wasn't gonna reply that is. Show me where she states she is against partial birth abortion. I want to see her say it. I don't believe what you are saying is correct.
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@MrHammod60 ayn rand was similar to beck in that she was also a nut, she led a cult at best, said a woman should not become president, said we should take the oil in the middle east because it was OURS by force if necessary, she was completely nuts, so she and beck are kindred spirits
Ruffneckization 2 weeks ago
@RoehmErnst You're not gonna reply, but you have no problem running your mouth. Thanks for the obvious rundown of what's happening though. Once again, you're a fucking genius the world couldn't do without. Points for legitimacy.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 Why do you find the need to insult people to get your point across, it doesn't make it more valid, it shows how weak it is.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@Scootertuner1000 I make plenty of points. You're just choosing to ignore them because it doens't suit your agenda. But it's okay, Glenn Beck. you done now?
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 You have made none in this argument. Are you done now?
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@PhantoMPhreeK92 No you didn't. Are you done now.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
Ugh. Glenn Beck would do well to actually *read* Atlas Shrugged.
orospakr 3 months ago
@orospakr So would you if you think he doesn't advocate it's principles.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
What is Glenn Beck talking about? I read Atlas Shrugged in a day. Didn't everyone?
Madfoot713 3 months ago 4
I hate this guy overall, but this book is the truth if you read it and he is dead on in this case.
M16musicc 3 months ago
Lol. "if you find the ideas in this book interesting.." card popped put when he held the book open :D
HolyShitTobin 3 months ago
Two points. First, many of the items they are voting on were already negotiated before the bill was introduced. Second, they have a staff of 20 people who could divide it up and summarize it for legislators before a vote. Seen it done.
Second, where was this view when the Patriot Act was introduced?
SNight322 4 months ago
It is hideous watching the Republican Party crawl into Fascism and spin a cocoon.
formless777 4 months ago
The climate bill was longer than Atlas Shrugged. And almost as boring.
acr08807 5 months ago 2
Constitutions only have value if men enforce them. For convenience governments disregard them. After all, men exist, laws are only abstractions.
perdondaris 5 months ago
I don't think Glenn Beck was recommending "Atlas Shrugged" in this video. He was recommending that Congress read a Climate Change Bill that was longer than the book.
bjbinmke 5 months ago 2
@bjbinmke What a fool, he actually brought that out to show people what books look like.. *facepalm
wesscoast 5 months ago
Ayn Rand would have despised modern republicans like Beck because of their ideological ties to Christianity. Rand and William Buckley agreed on almost everything except religion and she wouldn't even share the same building with him because of it. Rand also despised Ronald Reagan because of his positive view of family and religion. It's amazing how many Christian conservatives idolize a woman who would for her part consider them beneath her.
glickle 5 months ago 3
@glickle Exactly. The hypocrisy of people like Beck knows no bounds.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
Ayn Rand's ideology is abhorrent.
PurpleHoneyBear 5 months ago
Ayn Rand was a psychopath.
Plus Atlas Shrugged is not even a good book, insidiously boring and with the character of a standard table spoon. It didn't even make the ABC top 1001 books of all time, and for good reason!
Most people are devoted to it because it's the only book they've bothered to bloody well read in their sad lives.
SuperAntiZionist 5 months ago
Glenn Beck is too limited to understand Ayn Rand's positions on government. If she were alive today she would have endorsed Ron Paul without a doubt.
TurboFuss1 5 months ago
@TurboFuss1 Is an endorsement by Ayn Rand (real or hypothetical) supposed to be a good thing?
Ron Paul = TROJAN HORSE
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung Yes. Ayn Rand had some strange ideas that I don't agree with, mostly Objectivism. But her position and theory on government is dead on correct.
TurboFuss1 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 interesting that her "theories" of government (which can be no less intellectually vacuous or morally repugnant than her theories on anything else as they are part & parcel of a piece.) could be perceived by any rational person as "dead on correct" since they have NEVER been attempted, instituted or put into practice anywhere in the world, ever in history. (fortunately) in order for a theory to be "correct" it has to be proven to work successfully.
WikeddTung 4 months ago 5
@WikeddTung Don't think you are something you're not. I know exactly what you are doing and it's not working. Trying to "act smart" isn't your style. The reason it's never been tried is because of corruption. Humans are naturally corrupt. I still believe there are some people who will hopefully have the chance to show the world just how successful a genuine libertarian society can be. Freedom and greater prosperity for all.
TurboFuss1 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 lol, thanks for telling me what my "style" is. i'll keep that in mind.
as for your assertion about rand's theories of government NOT being plausible because human beings are "corrupt"... yes, indeed we are. sooo...
on what planet then are you suggesting rand's theories should be tried if not on this one? perhaps the plutonians are more noble? you & the other teabags can move there & live happily ever after according to rand's theories. before replying, STOP & try THINKING. lol.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung The tea party was hijacked by crazy neocons. They try to portray themselves as tea party activists. Perry, Romney, Palin, FUCKS News, I mean Fox news, these are not part of the tea party
TurboFuss1 4 months ago
@T you don't seem like a bad guy, just a bit misguided. let me help you out; no reputable intellectual takes ayn rand seriously. as literature her books were poorly written cartoons with the sophistication of aesop fables. as philosophy her ideas about politics, society & morality are literally retarded; the definition of which is stopped growth, stunted development. this is why many smart social misfits fall in love with atlas shrugged in high school & outgrow it by sophomore year in college.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 - You seem to be employing the "no true scotsman fallacy"
TheSpankymonkey 4 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey No, I stayed on key point the whole time.
TurboFuss1 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 - "Freedom and greater prosperity for all." - Nope, it's just a "fuck you jack, I am ok" mentality. A hapering for days gone by when the land was there for the taking and all you needed was a gun and your own plot of land and you was in control of your own life and needs. Maybe it's been culturally passed down through the few generations since that time but it's a naive one to think that you can live with the same kind backwards political views in modern times.
TheSpankymonkey 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 Hahahaha. "Don't think you are something you're not. I know exactly what you are doing and it's not working"
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
@WikeddTung - "in order for a theory to be "correct" it has to be proven to work successfully." - Not true, you just need to change what the words "theory" and "correct" mean and you are in business. It's what the teabaggers do best and might i tell you that by doing so it will lead great leaps in human prosperity, banks will flourish, there will be no wars or terrorism, every child will have enough to eat and be properly clothes, there will be no terrorism...... Ah wait...
TheSpankymonkey 4 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey
orwell couldn't have said it more ironically
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung Excuse me but I think Rand's point is so often misrepresented. The real point of her work (fountainhead and atlas) is the supreme importance of competence and ability. Galileo, Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin, Bill Gates, Sam Walton, John D. Rockefeller, and others whose intellectual ability gifted the human race with knowledge, technology, and progress. She thinks it's morally repugnant for an unproductive, or foolish person to be given any money earned by someone like Bill Gates.
airborneinfantry888 4 months ago
@WikeddTung it does,& it requires participation of rational human beings. If you walked into a gang war and told everybody they should stop fighting, they would probably shoot you. Does that mean your theory to stop fighting was morally unjustified b/c it didn't work? of course not. So I don't see your point. objectivism is the closest pragmatic solution to a peaceful world if used rationally b/c it is consistant with natural selection which is the only constant reality we know to work
M16musicc 3 months ago
@M16musicc What the fuck does natural selection have to do with objectivism? All natural selection cares about is whether you have children. How much money you make has no impact on whether your genes are passed on. And even if it was relevant, why in the world would someone think it's the best way to achieve a *peaceful* world? Life was awful for most people prior to the advent of society and, more recently, social safety nets. The poverty rate in the 19th century ranged from 30-50%.
BenkaiDebussy 2 months ago
@BenkaiDebussy you can answer your first question by educating yourself about the scientific consistancies regarding it. do your homework (as in peer viewed science and philosophy- not youtubing) and then get back to me and tell me why you learned natural selection is COMPLETELY consistent with objectivism. i'll wait for you...
M16musicc 2 months ago
@M16musicc The expression is "peer reviewed" not "peer viewed" idiot.
MrHammod60 2 months ago
@BenkaiDebussy Natural selection is survival of the fittest. Sink or Swim. It's easily applied to economics and business.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@WikeddTung Her theories are in fact based on logic, so obviously anarcho capitalism with a minimal government is a better goal that what we have right now.
notengonickcojones 2 months ago
@WikeddTung Yes, Iceland, in the middle age.
notengonickcojones 2 months ago
@TurboFuss1 It can not be correct or incorrect. They are ideas not facts and as such are subjective.
Scootertuner1000 1 month ago
It's a shame Ayn didn't factor in OIL. Glenn used to talk about it quite often, but stopped a few years ago when the oil industry's propaganda machine bought him. He changed his message, and I stopped watching. Maybe now, he'll begin talking about the TRUE reason for the economic situation: PEAK OIL. Google: glenn beck peak oil
retrop75 5 months ago
I don't believe that Ayn Rand would appreciate Glenn Beck throwing her book down like that. Such sacrilege to mistreat the bible of free market capitalism.
cylixdemas 5 months ago
Ayn Rand was a moron who thought she could survive on her own genius but when cancer threatened to wipe out the little bit of wealth she managed to put away for her old age she changed her name and applied for welfare benefits. The queen of the Libertarians, a stupid bitch preaching to the ignorant. She had a modicum of success on her own but like other so called self made successes, when she failed and she turned to the state to keep her ass off the street.
logtype47 6 months ago
@logtype47
A "moron" that wrote TWO 1000 page novels, numeros other works of fiction, and a great deal of great nonfiction books. Also the founder of an entire philosopical system diametrically opposed to the current default.
JOBGG16 5 months ago
@JOBGG16 Actually The Fountainhead was like 650 pages. I don't like her novel work but I do agree with her position on the role of government in society (which is almost none)
TurboFuss1 5 months ago
@JOBGG16 no reputable intellectual takes ayn rand seriously. as literature her books were poorly written cartoons with the sophistication of aesop fables. as philosophy her ideas about politics, society & morality are literally retarded; the definition of which is stopped growth, stunted development. this is why many smart social misfits fall in love with atlas shrugged in high school & outgrow it by sophomore year in college.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@logtype47 - That is a little simplistic and one that resides in a person who hasn't taken any time to study what she wrote. She wrote of an alternative to the system that she lives in. In that situation it was as she described. As she paid taxes all her life she was seeking only that in which she paid for in the system that she lives in. To use your argument you would slate anyone that harbour philosphical ideals of democracy but lives in a communist state. It's a big fail, really.
TheSpankymonkey 4 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey Not simplistic in the least bit. Social security recipients receive more than they put into the system. Her medicare bills also surpassed her contribution in taxes. Rand is a sneaky thief and your half-ass defense of her actions is classic example of cognitive dissonance.
logtype47 4 months ago
@logtype47 I strongly suspect you never read The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged. I like Rand's work. Do you know why? Because I got all A's in school - and I always resented the notion of splitting my grade with someone who got an F, that way we could both get C's. Fair right? Thats socialism in a nutshell. When I first got out of the army I didn't have a lot of money but I worked very hard and now I have my own business. Why should I give awat my hard earned money? Why?
airborneinfantry888 4 months ago
@airborneinfantry888 What makes a person with straight A's go into the army? This makes no sense.
Did you attend college? Who loaned you money for this so-called business? You're likely from a southern state. Your hyper-simplistic understanding of Rand strongly suggests it.
logtype47 4 months ago
@logtype47 First off, I had a little bit of chuckle with you "southern state" jab. What state are you from might I ask? I am from Florida. I graduated HS with a 3.8 GPA and I had 1480 on my SATs. Not saying that makes me smart - but there it is. I did not attend college because I enlisted right after HS and served from 06-10 when I got out and came back to FL - I started a pool cleaning company with the money I saved. It's fairly successful now and I attend USF with the G.I bill.
airborneinfantry888 4 months ago
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@logtype47 First off, I had a little bit of chuckle with you "southern state" jab. What state are you from might I ask? I am from Florida. I graduated HS with a 3.8 GPA and I had 1480 on my SATs. Not saying that makes me smart - but there it is. I did not attend college because I enlisted right after HS and served from 06-10 when I got out and came back to FL - I started a pool cleaning company with the money I saved. It's fairly successful now and I attend USF with the G.I bill.
airborneinfantry888 4 months ago
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@logtype47 First off, I had a little bit of chuckle with you "southern state" jab. What state are you from might I ask? I am from Florida. I graduated HS with a 3.8 GPA and I had 1480 on my SATs. Not saying that makes me smart - but there it is. I did not attend college because I enlisted right after HS and served from 06-10 when I got out and came back to FL - I started a pool cleaning company with the money I saved. It's fairly successful now and I attend USF with the G.I bill.
airborneinfantry888 4 months ago
@logtype47 I know loads of people who have done it. One thing is that they can't afford college and so go in to get the GI Bill, others go straight in because that's what they want to do or because they are really patriotic. My son went in because he always wanted to be in the USAF. He joined while he was still in college, chose to go straight to basic training rather than waiting till he finished college. that was shortly after 911, he's still in and graduated Cum Laude several years ago.
MrHammod60 2 months ago
@logtype47 Uhm, CHOICE? Aren't you liberal supposed to be all FOR that? What's wrong with serving your country? IDK what the fuck you think war is, but a military full of smart, enterprising, men is much more powerful than a couple dope smokers who thought the military would be nice cause it wold pay for their shit. Those douchebags probably got rejected because of their history in mind-altering drugs anyway.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@airborneinfantry888 Are you a conservative?
logtype47 2 months ago
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"I didn't read this, but if someone votes for it, vote against them!"
creativenameisnotava 6 months ago
These 2 con artists (Beck and Rand) belong together. Neither of them worked a day in their life and yet they proclaim what morality is. Their popularity is a testament to American stupidity and why America does not lead the world in anything anymore.
perdondaris 6 months ago
@perdondaris
Of course, writing 2 1000 page novels does not consititute of working. Making bills that cripple the economy is hard work indeed.
JOBGG16 5 months ago
@perdondaris it looks like they worked plenty to me. the only people not working are the ones sitting on welfare and unemployment checks. and why should they? we're willing to pay their way through life, providing them no hope of progress
Welsh77 5 months ago
@Welsh77 No, talking into a microphone is not work. It's bullshitting to an ignorant audience. The same thing millions of ignorant people do at work. He doesn't know history or economics. Ayn Rand is dead so she doesn't think anything about anything. People of her character however--crass opportunists--support the GOP. Her capitalist ideology is as mystical as Beck's Mormonism. By the way Welfare checks go to men and women who fought in America's foreign wars.
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris it actually is work. it's a service of entertainment that people are willing to pay for, by buying televisions and cable. there was a demand for his voice, people watched him for a while. i consider work providing a service or product that there is demand for, or investing in something that demands capital.
Welsh77 5 months ago
@Welsh77 Well politicians work too. They run for elected office (it's not easy). They do all of the things Beck does--holding forth philosophically on issues, creating legislation, holding hearings on threats to national security, working on getting reelected. Politicians work hard and are unappreciated. Just think how Bush successfully won 3 gubernatorial elections and back to back presidential elections. That isn't easy even if your daddy was a president once--just ask FDR or Ike's kids.
perdondaris 5 months ago
@perdondaris i never said politicians didn't work, but the simple fact of the matter is that government will always be inefficient. i dont blame politicians for making mistakes, i blame our country for magnifying their mistakes by allowing them to make so many decisions that should be left to the free market. i appreciate politicians' work to serve the country, but the fact that they're humans and naturally flawed impairs their ability to work for the common good.
Welsh77 5 months ago
@Welsh77 - "but the fact that they're humans and naturally flawed impairs their ability to work for the common good." - Your argument is simply invalid. The exact same thing can be said of the "free market". There seems to be this misguided conception that the free market can't do anything wrong. Which simply is not true at all as has been demonstrated time after fucking time that it is becoming a joke in itself to even use it as an argument. The motivation to make profits impairs!
TheSpankymonkey 4 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey i never said any system does anything perfectly. everyone is flawed in some areas and good in others, that's why spreading the job out on millions in the market is the way to minimize the error. giving a few people immense decision-making power amplifies their flaws, whoever they are, on the rest of us. the market makes decisions more efficiently than bureaucrats. the free market is to blame for very little, government creates problems and crises, like the depression and now
Welsh77 4 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey The motivation to make profits impairs? Thats a joke my friend. Do you have a job? What is your motive when you show up to work everyday? To make money isn't it? There is no compulsion in a free market. Individuals only trade through VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE to MUTUAL BENEFIT. You wouldn't go in to work if you didn't think you were going to gain. Your boss wouldn't have hired you if he didn't think he was going to gain from it. In a freemarket the most able rise to the top.
airborneinfantry888 4 months ago
@airborneinfantry888 - What the fuck are you on. You start my telling me that my comment "The motivation to make profits impairs?" is a joke and then go on to talk to me like i don't understand what work is. I would of loved to of seen you say that little tirade to my face. Prick. My comment, the motivation to make profits was in context of doing greater social good. You might not like that, i might not like that but the comment remains the same and equally as valid as before you cocked it up.
TheSpankymonkey 4 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey Impairs what? Praytell? How the hell do you expect to drive a car without money to buy it or put gas in it? How do you think you earn this money? It's not by breaking even.
The free market; you gonna give up a car because the sparkplugs gave out or are you gonna replace the sparkplugs? Everything has it's flaws because humans are flawed. Some of us are out for others blood, but the will of a few doesn't represent the heart of the many.
PhantoMPhreeK92 1 month ago
@perdondaris that's why we have a constitution, so that they only promote the common good within their powers. now that we've shat on that document for more than a century, our country is spinning out of control quickly, and a collapse is inevitable at this rate. you've got too many people contributing little to nothing to society. not because of their own fault, but because they've been raised in an environment of dependency on someone (govt) who just relies on someone else.
Welsh77 5 months ago
@perdondaris perhaps you don't know anything about economics. you're right about us not leading the world though, we're too busy apologizing for all the opportunity that we've provided
Welsh77 5 months ago
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Despite any flaws (who doesn't have any), Ayn Rand's contribution to the defense of an individual's right to his own life and property are monumental.
Read "Atlas Shrugged". It will change your outlook on life.
backlighting 6 months ago
Good little book, that one. I enjoy it. Prescient.
metull666 6 months ago
I haven't read this book yet, but can someone please tell me what the message it is delivering?
missnoorulain1 6 months ago
@missnoorulain1 Ultimately the message is this; "I swear; by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." It would be a bit of a spoiler but if you want you could google "John Galts speech". amberandchaos(.)com has the full speech but truly I would recommend reading it.
captwasabi 6 months ago
@BrcCmplfan objectivism agrees perfectly with the golden rule. Objectivism= Don't sacrifice yourself for others and don't sacrifice others for your self. And, use your reasoning to determine right from wrong. If objectivism is your philosophy then you would prefer others to treat you the same. Ayn Rand is a little deeper than just "be selfish."
docjeremyweb 7 months ago
Wonder what Ayb Rand would think of Beck's crackpot Mormon church
DawnOfTheDead991 7 months ago
There's a difference between killing people and letting them die, acha99che.
TumisHumis 7 months ago
This guys is modern Nazi.
acha99CHE 7 months ago
this guy is a fake...do not listen to him..he plagerises ppl...he gets his info from Alex Jones
13CIRCLE 7 months ago
@13CIRCLE He changes Alex words on issues to suit the Mormon agenda. He is incapable of coming to terms with the truth of 911/WTC. His true master are the Mormon Hierarchy and their agenda. He uses Mormonese phrases in his talks. If he promotes something you can be sure there is a Mormon at the $ end. He is a lackey for the colluding globalist kleptocrats of which the Hierarchy is an active participant. Mormonism is the NWO in 1840. The Hierarchy is good at control of sheeple thru subtle lies
IExposeMormonism 7 months ago
The modern financial crises was created through the directives of government, and the only man who could of stopped it was alan greenspan, who was a student of ayn rands collective, he warned in 1996 that this would happen, but he was told to keep silent. He did and in doing so he denounced everything he believed, and the governments continued to facilitate an environment which created the basis for the east asian crises which precipitated ourown demise, these are the facts, the absolutes.
nanthikan 8 months ago
in a truly free market economy, markets would never fail. take away any form of social welfare and you will have a society that is formed through individual choices rather than a dictated form of quasi-socialist managed capitalism. Markets have only ever crashed through the interference of the state. History can prove that point from the depression, to the east asian crises to the modern financial crash.
nanthikan 8 months ago
@nanthikan You are correct. Without constant interference by Congress; the Fed; and FMNA / FMAC, the real estate markets would have never been able to reach such an insane speculative bubble. A perfect example
foamulator 7 months ago
@nanthikan It sounds wonderful "in a truly free market economy, markets would never fail" "take away any form of social welfare and you will have a society that is formed through individual choices" Unfortunately that's not what happens. What history teaches us that in a society without democracy and balance the rich and there off spring get richer and more powerful while the bulk of the poor and unable get poorer and more unable until the poor say "bollocks to this" and kill all the rich.
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph
I really dont mean to sound patronising and I would really like to discuss this further with you, but have you read Ayn Rand? And I really do not mean that in a negative sense, I dont want a slanging match just its important to the point I want to make.
nanthikan 7 months ago
@nanthikan No, until a year agoI had never heard of Rand and I'm a 68 yr old Brit. If your point is I am speaking out of ignorance then I plead guilty. In my defence I have never read "Das Capital" but I know that over time communism would not work. I've read "Mein Kampf " but I'm no NAZI struggled to understand the Bible or Koran, failed. If all I knew about Rand were the few comments you made it would be enough to know her ideas are sterile and would not work in a civilised society. Regards
davijeph 7 months ago
@nanthikan Markets were failing long b4 any governments got involved through Insider greed & manipulations as well as mass movements in the wrong direction. What may seem sensible for one person maybe crazy for 100K people do it.
DawnOfTheDead991 7 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991
That is categorically untrue In Niall Fergusons new book Civilization the west and the rest,he highlights several instances of societies across the world that have failed whilst others succeeded, from the Ottamans to the Ming dynasty Simon Bolivar in south america, Any authority when they are in charge of a mass of people they influence the economy, so tell me when was there no hierarchical structure in a society and markets failed even mesopotamia had markets and authority