Ancient men preferred bigger women, not these pencil sticks the magazines call women. Bigger it better, not fat, obese, unhealthy big, but thickness in the right places, that is true beauty. I am a man who likes thickness, I am a fan of steatopygia. Also I always thought makeup did more harm then good, unnaturally forcing elements together probably causes woman to age faster. Also I don't care if a woman's legs shaven (they aren't as hair as a man so its okay), facial is not desired though.
@macjsus Well good for you, now women can feel a bit worse about themselves because they aren't the way YOU would like them to be. Sir, please shut up.
@Rebeccaaaaaaa Well first off all being obese or anorexic is unhealthy so my definition of beauty is healthy. And secondly, what I like goes deeper than just how they look, love is about finding someone you who want asa best friend, personality is the most important. Appearance is simply about initial attraction. And I am against the cosmetic industry forcing women to believe that make up makes them better, if it doing physical harm, its a rip off. SO, I would like them to be healthy and safe.
I’m sure that would be great if everyone was just accepted for who they are, as they are, but the real world doesn’t work that way. People can’t get through life without making judgments, people can’t function without having preferences. When you ladies figure out your self-esteem problems, be sure to let the rest of us know. Thanks!
@Greenvolv0 Well, then, what does that say about women? They are gullible? Naïve? Stupid? Throw away the Cosmo magazines and live your own life. Stop living your life for men.
@politicoochie09 I DO NOT live my life for anyone but myself so don't get confused! I was simply stating that young women go through a lot & your insensitive comments don't make anything clear, except your ignorance. Do u know what your comments say about men? That *some* men are insensitive, arrogant, twits who have no idea of the inner workings of a woman! Do yourself a favor & shut your mouth before you make yourself look any more stupid. If u don't like this video, MOVE ON & get a life!
@josephmathes It's pretty obvious if you ask me. Big corporations who want their products sold will create an emotional desire for consumers to but their products by appealing to people on sub-conscious sexual level. The problem is they're doing it in the worst way possible, that is harmful and demeaning to women and men that don't fit into that mold of perfection. They've turned our bodies into billboards and objects of ridicule in order to make a profit.
She says things are bad for women, but she's vague about who is responsible, and she doesn't say anything about how I can help. Why aren't those important enough to mention? Does she just like being a victim?
@josephmathes And what is there to help? Feminists for many years opposed to ordinary women viewed as sexually attractive and demanding custody of the White Knights. So what they do not like, if advertising in movies on their side?
Also, after watching this thoroughly, the "speaker" is such a frickin' hypocrite. You can almost TASTE all the botox in her face, there's a reason her face's not jiggling around, you know? She's ATLEAST had one cosmetic surgery.
But fuck, what the hell do I know, I'm a guy, right? ;)
@Bugga10: umm... ever thought thats shes NOT that old and she may just have great genes and took good care of her skin. My grandma was that way at her age.
@Brittniepimental Have you thought that you probably know that's not the case at all? That you can SEE the enormous amount of make up she has on her face and how there's little muscle work? Have you thought that, like masculism, there's extreme feminists too? I don't care whichever side you pull the chain from, in the end, one is dependent on the other. Men, stop being asses to women. Women, stop being so uptight about feminism like you have to prove a point every single day.
...but wait..not only violence...the tendancy to make the men want fantasy more than reality...why can't they look at a magazine every time we want to make love(sarcastically speaking)...its such a turn off now that this facade creates such stimulus that the woman in front of them is "not like the magazine!" It makes us very insecure when the media is SO flawless. I see men demanding more perfection from women, yet they don't look at themselves!!!! (then we get punished for spending to please.)
@anthonygareth everything has its own advantages and disadvantages: the beauty is easier to get help from men, but sometimes she has to endure sexual assault, and the ugly girl - both face to a lesser extent
@dreamfall77: beauty has nothing at all to do with sexual assualt first of all. Secondly, being pretty may mean you have an easier time but it only gets you so far not to mention assault is not something to be endured, it is a terrible thing that needs to be ELIMINATED
@Brittniepimental Wolf-whistle in the mouth of the guys welcomed beauty - a classic of the genre of sexual harassment, and silly to deny it. Not such a terrible price for what you have on hand.
2:03, she is not part of a video game... should would more likely be considered as part of a console, as well the add is not demonstrating her body as being like but rather implying the console is like her to sell it to horny kids. any one else want to buy a PS3 right now?
i dont think anorexia or bulemia or obsession with thinness is a problem in America. If it weren't for the magazines I think more women will let themselves go. America, 1 in 3 is considered overweight. Fattest nation on earth. These advertisements are actually doing the public a favor.
@mrzack888 Women eat because they are depressed. Women are often depressed because they have low self esteem. Women have low self esteem mostly because they don't like how they look. Women don't like how they look because media and society has engraved it into our brains that we are not good enough to sell us products. The advertisements are not doing a favour. They are in fact causing the dilemma. But you wouldn't understand because you are a man and don't understand how womens brains work.
@pingidjit if the stuff women stuffed into their moufs were healthy, then they wouldn't be growing fat. eating doesn't correlate and cause fatness, eating the wrong type of food causes fatness. why is it european women eat like pigs, but are skinny?
@pingidjit in general, advertising concept of feminism, "Xena, Warrior Princess," "Lara Croft", "Legally Blonde" and so on, by this logic, too, must throw down the usual fatties into depression .
@mrzack888: theres a difference between health and unhealthy eating disorders. Yes, we have an unhealthy nation thanks to large corporations and all the food we buy today being unhealthy... An eating disorder is NOT healthier than being overweight or obese. Actually, losing weight is easier than trying to change a person with an eating disorder's mind. Not to mention, that is a small portion of the overall issue and this is a world-wide thing not just the U.S.
I just saw this film in my Women's Studies class today. I thought it was very interesting and informative. You gotta watch the whole thing before you start judging her for wearing make-up while making this speech. The point she's trying to come across does not include women wearing less make-up or no make-up. It is absolutely fine to enhance your look as long as it doesn't become unhealthy and dangerous, and as long as it's what you want and not what you feel pressured to do.
@bunnhi That is, you think that she worked for 40 years captain of the evidence, because it is well known that the turkey, for example, it is normal if it is not poisonous, is delicious and not used in order to please a cook with a gun. Delightful.
Sex sells, but who decides what's sexy? Advertisements do sell values, images, concepts, normalcy. The times/culture that we live/grow up in determines our definition of beauty, which shifts over time. It determines what we eat, wear, watch, our attitude towards others, etc. we are beings of nature, nurture and community, so we base our self-worth on how we appear to others. It's just stupid to assert that just one little girl out there develops unreasonable standards for herself from the media.
I agree that SOME advertising exploits men. But, let's be real...the gross objectification of women in this society has existed since time began and has now reached an unbelievable level. Men are judged based on their accomplishments, women on their appearance. Look around you...it's everywhere you look...on billboards, television, print ads...and at Hooters (gag). We, as thinking people, must speak out and end this insanity.
@krynaski Then why isn't it just a picture of shoes? No they're selling sex. And Women as sex and nothing more. Hence the dehumanizing and ultimately violence.
@luckytundra13 Well...one was a Guess ad, which I know for a fact was a shoe ad.
But beyond that, yes, I understand that some ads do go a bit far with sexualizing people-not just women, but it's an undeniable marketing advantage. The cold truth is sex sells, and your not going to stop the media because some people either: A. take it out of context or B. can't disassociate it with their everyday lives.
@krynaski That is exactly the problem, sex sells and your not going to stop the media. Yes we can stop the media! That is the excuse everyone gives themselves to cop out of something they can change but don't want to be a part of it. So common We Can't stop the media, we can't stop the politician, we can't stop the big companies etc, etc, etc,....
@krynaski continuation: I say as a consumers we CAN PUT A STOP TO WHAT WE WANT TO PUT A STOP TO IF WE AS A LARGE GROUP STAND TOGETHER AND DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PUT AN END TO WHAT WE FEEL IS DISTURBING AND THAT MESSAGE IN THAT VIDEO IS DISTURBING AND SAD....
Yes, objectification of women has been some time in the making and we now see the devastating effects of this. Women have to realize this and have to be outraged. Ultimately WE have the power to reject this masculinist culture that see us as objects to be consumed (sexually or otherwise) and we're the ones who should be calling on men for their shameful treatment of women.
@CountessGeschwitz Look at mens advertisement too... they also have impossible to live up to standards.. some men JUST CANT get washboard abs.. it takes lots of pain and work and also the right set of genetics and hormones.
@F4rmGirl4Life Well true, that is a good point. Some advertisement geared towards men uphold an impossible standard. It's unfair, and I agree. And I think it should be talked about and fought, too. But on the whole, it is overwhelmingly women who are extremely harmed by such objectification in the media.
Not only are they getting thinner but a lot of women want body parts that they won't naturally have. For instance lots of women want large butts because thats whats in ,since jlo and kim kardasian, now it's a must have but in the 80's and early 90.s it was considered to to gross to have a big butt and people would call you bubble butt. Now women are getting them surgically enhanced just because a popular celebrity has it. It's our responsiblity to so buying into this trash. m
i'm not model skinny but i'm not over weight i'm just about right. i love the way God made me, I was blessed with curves and a booty and guess what media, I LOVE THE WAY I AM!! so good fuck you!
For a woman, self–image equals self-worth: it’s the female condition. If she’s not happy with her self-image and feel worthless then she puts the blame on advertising, media and all the other patriarchy-led ‘evils’ like some adolescent feminist automaton locked tight in her “gender is a social construct” box. Yet how many of these self-satisfied, smug and politically correct females commentating on this video wear make-up, watch their weight, and shave their legs? Jean Kilbourne certainly does.
@spiritofbebella uhm... no. I'm a woman and I prefer being appreciated for my personality and my brains instead of my looks. What she pointed out are the unhealthy standards that advertisings are constantly giving, and the objectification of human body.
@spiritofbebella You know what, i was about to write the same exact thing but then i saw your comment and i was like "This person look the words literally right out of me" I am a female and the first thing i notice when i watched this video 1 year ago "this lady is wearing make up" hypocrite is the thing that went on my mind. You as a person have the control to your own self esteem, not an ad.
I was done with this in the first 40 seconds. If you get your concepts of love and sexuality, body image, or self worth from advertising, the problem isn't the adverts, it's you.
Advertising media doesn't tell anybody what to think. This totally reminds me of this: youtube.com/watch?v=U1N01V73IAc#t=01m00s
the japanese bound feet for hundreds of years,, in burma they put rings on the neck to stretch the look,, it actually collapses the clavicle..punishment for women was to remove the rings,,their necks would fall over and they would suffocate,, all for the beauty in ones minds eye.. the burka is used in some countries,,the poor women cant see correctly ,, and hardly can eat properly... we live in a strange world,,,
@sashastorey That is not what it is referring to. It is about the indirect abuse and image women must portray in order to sell something. Women must sell a product that really doesn't exist. That is the point. No one really looks like those photos on the magazine and some young girl may think that is the way she should look like. I dye my hair put on mascara, and at times wear foundation but when I look in the mirror I see still see pores. THAT'S THE POINT.
@dreamfall77 ???? What...don't understand your point what does halloween and scare children have to do with this topic. I don't like halloween and I make my stand by not participating with anything that is related to halloween. ?????
After watching this clip, I realized that this woman came to my school about 4 years ago. I didn't appreciate her talks then, but I sure can now! Thanks for uploading!
Women consumers have the power to stop it. Just don't buy products associated with these types of ads/models/agencies/brands. Easier said than done, right ladies? You're already suckling on the teet of big corporate's ideal and devouring the ridonkulous articles of Cosmo. Good luck.
Me, as a bloke, I'll just keep ogling the oddities that pass as women in airbrushed ads and magazines, laughing at the women who strive for this image, while dating my gf, who is perfectly normal. Read: perfect. {=D
@UnitedKingdomify - I give you a thumbs up for loving your gf just as she is. But here is the thing about 'not buying' the products being sold: we like the products, but not the ads. Women will always love being beautiful. Make-up, clothes, shoes & hair are all part of the package. Does that mean we think we should be perfect? No! But I like looking great when I go out. I will buy the products while I condemn the advertising. There is more than one way to skin a cat!
@shortlittlerebel But if Calvin Klein runs a bunch of ads promoting absurdly, impossibly, unhealthily thin women who are very blatantly airbrushed, don't buy CK products. There are substitutes. Companies running ads that are more grounded in reality but still promoting an ideal of beauty and femininity will be glad for the custom. The trend in adverts will become to avoid the stick thin, pore and wrinkle-free, impossibly and OBVIOUSLY shopped, almost computer generated model-look.
@shortlittlerebel When sales begin to take a hit due to the nature of the ads, CK would soon change the way they advertise to suit the consumers.
As a consumer you vote with your wallet (or fancy purse lol, or rather what's in it) you can't silently object to the advertising while purchasing its content, and ever hope to make a point. =)
I'm 45, when I was kid this was going on and just like she said, it's the same (if not worse) now. Damn, I really need to start doing more activism as a feminist because it's soooo depressing to see little girls emulating all the crap they are fed.
of all the arguments that sound intelligent but are REALLY stupid, my favorite is "porn/sexy photos/advertising/fashion mags cause men to OBJECTIFY women!!" Right. Sure. So one day I have a mother, a sister, a girlfriend, female co-workers, etc. But one look at the Victoria Secret catalog and the next day BANG - now I'm a rapist who only sees women as objects for me to satisfy my uncontrollable violence and lust. We men are all just ass-grabbing, beer-soaked, crotch-scratching animals
@speedformercy While I understand your reaction, I really don't think this woman is making that point. You have to admit that the images shown are compelling evidence that women are very objectified. Women ARE raped & killed more than ANY sector of ANY population. And the aggressors are 99% men. The question is: does blatant , non-stop objectification lead to more violence on women? While this video doesn't fully answer, it certainly is compelling enough to think about it.
it is not modern, progressive, educated men's fault if women are stupid and self-destructive. Women have been torturing & hurting themselves for millennia to look prettier than other women. I have heard many women say numerous times that "we don't do it for you" (meaning for men in general "we do it for each other." In Victorian times, MALE doctors pleaded with women to stop tightening their corsets to the point of causing internal organ damage, but the women continued to do so.
@speedformercy You are right and wrong. Women do it for men, no matter what the modern feminist take on it is. ALL women want to be beautiful. It is part of being a woman. It is a GOOD part of being a woman. It gives a lot of pleasure to both men and women that we are beautiful. Any woman (or man) who denies this is a liar. Women go wrong when they are so weak that they allow themselves to dominated by this desire. They then become perfect prey for snake oil salesmen.
and besides, the reason why women bodies always appear on advertisements is that men are very sexual, could not resist a woman's sexy body. it is not de humanization to me. As a matter of fact it is hard to be a man, always turned on by a woman's sexy body.
@watchWorld100 That is a really unhealthy and scary attitude. Men are not weak, pathetic beings with no control over their sex drive and women are not destined to be sexy just to appease men. Grow the fuck up and stop objectifying women as if their only goal in this world is to be pretty for men.
This video has been shown in CA. at my college (Butte). I'm 63, a student there... I appreciate Jean's message, BUT, do I see a bra on her? I think she dyes her hair... she is definitely wearing mascara, lipstick, rouge - and has had her hair "styled" for this presentation.... so she's pretty much a hypocrite and this really steals her message away. Doesn't she feel she's acceptable enough looking to present au natural? She should try! judyUtah~!~ Can't Be Bought Productions
@pingidjit Response #4: Anyway, the above points are off the top of my head and I’m sure the person featured in the clip above is intelligent enough to present a more thought-out thesis further on in the documentary.
@QuebeKop Im certain that she can as well. But she did the best she could in the limited amount of time given to her. Remember she did not blame men, she blamed society. So stop taking it so personally. We as a whole are the problem, not any one person, gender, race, nationality....
@pingidjit Response #3: The thesis in the clip seems muddled because it equates advertising with publishing and fashion. The three industries are linked but separate. In particular fashion presents a feminine ideal that is quite different from glamour publishing. Homosexual men are clearly over-represented in the fashion industry, and it seems to me obvious that the anorexic look comes from a desire to present figures that are proportioned like prepubescent males: flat chests and narrow hips.
@pingidjit Response part 2: Apart from the point I raised about Muslim countries, there is a long (as old as human culture) history of exaggeratedly sexualized female imagery dating back to fertility symbols such as the Venus of Willendorf that clearly predates advertising or publishing or capitalism. Also, men are frequently objectified in ads too. What does this mean?
@QuebeKop Yes, men have been objectified too. The woman even said that in the video. The difference, however, is that women more so than men are the ones abused and treated poorly. Violence towards women is undisputably higher than towards men. Also the double standard. Men sleep around they are considered heros, women sleep around they are sluts. A male boss giving orders is a strong leader, a female boss is a bitch. Women are not taken as seriously in part due to ads, tv, hollywood, etc.
@pingidjit Why do you have everything in black and white, like intelligence or espionage, dad or mom? A young and attractive man who sleeps with a middle-aged ladies for money - this gigolo, but not the hero-lover.
@pingidjit Actually violence against men is and always has been much greater than violence against women. Portraying yourself as a victim is always a good way of getting attention and having the problem solved for you, without having to take action to improve yourself.
As for women working to look prettier, considering that people automatically respect the opinions of attractive people more and value those people more highly, women are taught to prioritize and develop a powerful tool.
@pingidjit woman are not taken seriously not because they are lesser, but men are naturally dominant. I don't mean this in a bad way but its just nature, it hasn't changed since man and woman were created.
@jarjarlol "naturally dominant" are you serious? and that idea of yours is based in what study? or perhaps, is based in your own empirical experience in life.
@jarjarlol How do you figure that men are naturally dominant? Isn't it the ongoing joke that the woman in the relationships are the boss and the husband says "yes dear". That doesn't sound very dominant to me. Women are not taken seriously because the way they look is more important than what they say. Octavia just won several awards for her acting in "The Help". The focus of her interviews should be on her acting but instead it was on her weight. Media focuses on how women look so reg ppl do to
@dreamfall77 No, that would be the media purposefully misinterpreting what she said. Twisting it to make it seem like she promotes anorexia, which she does not.
@pingidjit So, you still know the truth, and this means that there is resistance against the nutritionists lobby - a kind of federation of trade fast food .
Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country. The practice of any other religion results in jail time. The practice of Islam is compulsory to citizenship. Non-Muslims are considered khawaja (foreigners) and are only tolerated for their money or the services they perform.
@kuped Wrong. Muslims are not allowed to convert to another religion. That is a crime with the death penalty. But NO LAW requires citizens or passport holders to be Muslim in the first place. Practising another religion in Saudi Arabia is not illegal but most that do, do not do it in the open.
@pingidjit Tell that to my friend who was recently taken into custody for possession of s *gasp* Christmas tree. Or the shopkeeper whom the Mutawa who pulled a Lebanese shopkeeper in for saying "Merry Christmas" to me last week. You need to get your facts straight.
@kuped So are you living in the US or Saudi Arabia? Cuz im confused now. If you're in the USA than these people would not have been arrested. However, if you are in Saudi Arabia than why the heck would a shopkeeper wish you a Merry Christmas in a supposedly strictly Muslim country?
I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAYS BUT THE PICTURE AT 3:39 IS not ANA CAROLINA RESTON . AND BESIDES IT´S PHOTOSHOP TO LOOK THINNER TOO. YOU CAN FIND THE ORIGINAL OVER GOOGLE.
Kate Winslet is beautiful BUT she cant deny that she didnt lose more weight then her overall weight for Hollywood this is a British attitude its a good one but a little fake Kate did indeed lose weight since Titanic.
@caileiholc Oh, you poor little thing. Has that 'orrible evil patriarchal media empire been telling babakins what to wear? There, there... suck on your dummy and I'll chase those nasty men - who force women to wear high-heels - away.
Strange, I don’t hear any complaints about kick-boxing, gun-toting, sword-wielding Hollywood babes. Perhaps adolescent fantasy empowerment agrees with Feminist sensibilities, rather than real-life sexual empowerment which every woman acquires when she grows up. I suggest that the “women in chains” here - being horribly ‘objectified’ (when it suits them) - have a lot of growing up to do.
I do agree with her that the medias view of "beautiful" is ridiculous. People are taught that if your not the exact same as some "trend" or model then your not normal or pretty. But in the end its the peoples fault for listening to media and other entertainment figures. Its sickening how many people, especially young girl idolize the media and entertainment figures. They are humans with flaws as well. No one is perfect. And its not one person or outlets fault for this its everyone's.
Damn shes right, looking at those commercials made me want to punch women.
O well, shes also speaking the truth, ads will put a huge pressure to a human being, regardless of the age. Everybody desires to be popular, sexy and rich in the deep down. But is this problem caused by commercials or just people not realizing that they shoulnt be fooled by such ideals.
So an ad for, say, nail polish, should have to show the model's whole body because not to is objectifying and dehumanizing, even though doing so makes the product hard to see (or the maker has to spend a lot more money to buy a larger ad)?
By my count, 25 of the images shown were ads aimed at women, 10 were for products targeting men (beer). It's totally unfair to imply that men set these thinness standards, or are influenced to be violent towards women because of ads for perfume in magazines we never open.
@stillawake76 I agree! Certainly wrt anorexia in models. The fashion world is as far away from heterosexual males as it can get. We no like skeletons!
@stillawake76 The unfortunate part is when you put the violence in there it becomes to dramatic and you lose peoples attention. Its a reach! Its to bad instead of focusing on women and their health and making them confident the message gets side tracked! Violence against women was more prominent and accepted years before this type of marketing ever existed. Being super thin and wearing make up advertises that you are unhappy and as a single man I avoided these women!
@stattoo32 So you know all about it, do you? You know that women who wear make-up, and perhaps naturally slim, are 'unhappy'... what parallel reality are you in? Being a PC sycophant ain't the way... single women avoid men like you.
@minutepastmidnight Are'nt you angry little fella?! Its hard to capture the essence of what I was trying to say in the limited number of characters permitted. Naturally slim is not the topic if you were paying attention?! Make-up is disgusting! Furthermore, why purchase something with toxic ingredients & animals are tortured with to make women "pretty" or smell "nice". Society had better take a good look inward as we are destroying ourselves! Beauty comes from within! Boycott these companies!
@stillawake76 She never implied that men were the problem. She said that we as a people are the problem. Society. Everyone. It isnt just mens fault. Women put a lot of pressure on themselves and others. The only thing she mentioned in regards to being specifically male is that violence towards women has gotten higher because of the objectification of women. This is a true fact. She is not making it up or trying to lay blame. Its just a sad truth than many (not all, nor most) men are abusers.
@pingidjit "violence towards women has gotten higher because of the objectification of women. This is a true fact." Please supply the evidence. Because I suspect that if you analyze countries that allow Western-style advertising you would find lower rates of violence against women than countries that don't allow it (eg. strict Muslim countries).
@QuebeKop You realize that Muslim countries (which actually don't exist btw, there are many countries with muslim citizens but no country consists of only muslims) dont need western-style ads to objectify women. The women in these countries are already considered objects/property/can be owned and traded like goods. This further proves my point of objectifying women causing violence. As far as evidence to back up my statement, try google. Any study that has focused on this topic has said as much.
@pingidjit I'm separating my response into several comments, otherwise I'll exceed the character limit. Besides the quibbling over the term "Muslim countries" (we all know what that means), I don't really understand your logic as it relates to the rather fuzzy thesis outlined in the short clip above. I feel like the issue of objectification of women is far more complex than made out in the clip.
@QuebeKop Agreed it is far more complex that what little time allowed for the discussion in the clip. However that does not change the fact that the objectification of women does cause harm to women, as it does to men as well that are perceived as objects. Women are often victims of abuse (physical, sexual and emotional), disrespect, inequality, and disdain. The causes of these behaviors towards women have continuously been linked to thinking of women as objects or animals (not human).
@pingidjit Thank you for saying this, I wasn't able to articulate it like you. Due to the objectification, their true value as a human is not recognized. It would make it easier for people to abuse someone whom they look upon as a pretty shell, instead of a shell with a life inside. I hope this makes sense.
@stillawake76 Do you think the point of the video was to blame you personally for a cultural-political state of things? The fact is that some beauty standards are enforced with unblinking conformity in representations of women as opposed to representations of men, to the point where those standards come to be valued more than the actual persons to which they apply. That speaks to a power imbalance that affect all aspect of our society. So yes, the ruling viewpoint is male.
Kate Winslet and I share the same birthday...and the same attitude. Hooray for Kate for rejecting the fakery. She's naturally beautiful and beautifully built.
I'm fairly close to model-thin naturally and I still can't look at women's mags. Because it never ends - "So you're thin! Great! Now to be attractive you need to also spend a lot of time and money and effort on your hair and makeup and clothes!" Focusing on that stuff has never made me happy, so now I avoid those magazines entirely. Many intelligent women I know still fall for it though.
@anita18 What is this idiocy? Women have been spending time on making themselves 'more attractive' for thousands of years! If women were not bothered about their looks there would be no market for beauty products. Your self-image problems are your own and not caused by fashion magazines or anything else. The women who "fall for it" do so because it adds to their sexuality or femininity, as every woman knows.
@spiritofbebella Sure my self-image is my own, but reading fashion magazines naturally doesn't help! You are what you surround yourself with. Even the most independent person will be influenced by what's around them. And obviously some women enjoy beauty products, so certainly not every woman out there is like me. But some stress out about it, and I'm saying there's certainly a choice in walking away if you aren't happy where you are.
Adrift on a sea of virtual reality - dehumanity, insanity.
There are no winners on this ship of fools.
Even the choicest seats on the deck of the Titanic
had a berg's eye view of the ocean floor.
trcysttt 10 hours ago
this is amazing
xfahimaa 1 day ago
Nice to see Kilbourne's important work again and on YouTube, no less. Here's hoping it will help unravel some of the negative socialization.
Fray4all 1 week ago
Ancient men preferred bigger women, not these pencil sticks the magazines call women. Bigger it better, not fat, obese, unhealthy big, but thickness in the right places, that is true beauty. I am a man who likes thickness, I am a fan of steatopygia. Also I always thought makeup did more harm then good, unnaturally forcing elements together probably causes woman to age faster. Also I don't care if a woman's legs shaven (they aren't as hair as a man so its okay), facial is not desired though.
macjsus 2 weeks ago
@macjsus 1:32 - This girl breasts on the cover looks better.
dreamfall77 1 week ago
@macjsus Well good for you, now women can feel a bit worse about themselves because they aren't the way YOU would like them to be. Sir, please shut up.
Rebeccaaaaaaa 1 week ago
@Rebeccaaaaaaa Well first off all being obese or anorexic is unhealthy so my definition of beauty is healthy. And secondly, what I like goes deeper than just how they look, love is about finding someone you who want asa best friend, personality is the most important. Appearance is simply about initial attraction. And I am against the cosmetic industry forcing women to believe that make up makes them better, if it doing physical harm, its a rip off. SO, I would like them to be healthy and safe.
macjsus 1 week ago
I’m sure that would be great if everyone was just accepted for who they are, as they are, but the real world doesn’t work that way. People can’t get through life without making judgments, people can’t function without having preferences. When you ladies figure out your self-esteem problems, be sure to let the rest of us know. Thanks!
politicoochie09 2 weeks ago
@politicoochie09 You're a doucebag! Men have got PLENTY of problems, they just don't starve themselves because of em'!
Greenvolv0 1 week ago
@Greenvolv0 Well, then, what does that say about women? They are gullible? Naïve? Stupid? Throw away the Cosmo magazines and live your own life. Stop living your life for men.
politicoochie09 1 week ago
@politicoochie09 I DO NOT live my life for anyone but myself so don't get confused! I was simply stating that young women go through a lot & your insensitive comments don't make anything clear, except your ignorance. Do u know what your comments say about men? That *some* men are insensitive, arrogant, twits who have no idea of the inner workings of a woman! Do yourself a favor & shut your mouth before you make yourself look any more stupid. If u don't like this video, MOVE ON & get a life!
Greenvolv0 1 week ago
@josephmathes It's pretty obvious if you ask me. Big corporations who want their products sold will create an emotional desire for consumers to but their products by appealing to people on sub-conscious sexual level. The problem is they're doing it in the worst way possible, that is harmful and demeaning to women and men that don't fit into that mold of perfection. They've turned our bodies into billboards and objects of ridicule in order to make a profit.
xxxBakeneckoxxx 2 weeks ago
She says things are bad for women, but she's vague about who is responsible, and she doesn't say anything about how I can help. Why aren't those important enough to mention? Does she just like being a victim?
josephmathes 2 weeks ago
@josephmathes And what is there to help? Feminists for many years opposed to ordinary women viewed as sexually attractive and demanding custody of the White Knights. So what they do not like, if advertising in movies on their side?
dreamfall77 2 weeks ago
Also, after watching this thoroughly, the "speaker" is such a frickin' hypocrite. You can almost TASTE all the botox in her face, there's a reason her face's not jiggling around, you know? She's ATLEAST had one cosmetic surgery.
But fuck, what the hell do I know, I'm a guy, right? ;)
Bugga10 2 weeks ago
@Bugga10: umm... ever thought thats shes NOT that old and she may just have great genes and took good care of her skin. My grandma was that way at her age.
Brittniepimental 2 weeks ago
@Brittniepimental Have you thought that you probably know that's not the case at all? That you can SEE the enormous amount of make up she has on her face and how there's little muscle work? Have you thought that, like masculism, there's extreme feminists too? I don't care whichever side you pull the chain from, in the end, one is dependent on the other. Men, stop being asses to women. Women, stop being so uptight about feminism like you have to prove a point every single day.
Bugga10 2 weeks ago
Just buck up, or knuckle under.
Bugga10 2 weeks ago
...but wait..not only violence...the tendancy to make the men want fantasy more than reality...why can't they look at a magazine every time we want to make love(sarcastically speaking)...its such a turn off now that this facade creates such stimulus that the woman in front of them is "not like the magazine!" It makes us very insecure when the media is SO flawless. I see men demanding more perfection from women, yet they don't look at themselves!!!! (then we get punished for spending to please.)
anthonygareth 3 weeks ago
@anthonygareth everything has its own advantages and disadvantages: the beauty is easier to get help from men, but sometimes she has to endure sexual assault, and the ugly girl - both face to a lesser extent
dreamfall77 3 weeks ago
@dreamfall77: beauty has nothing at all to do with sexual assualt first of all. Secondly, being pretty may mean you have an easier time but it only gets you so far not to mention assault is not something to be endured, it is a terrible thing that needs to be ELIMINATED
Brittniepimental 2 weeks ago
@Brittniepimental Wolf-whistle in the mouth of the guys welcomed beauty - a classic of the genre of sexual harassment, and silly to deny it. Not such a terrible price for what you have on hand.
dreamfall77 2 weeks ago
2:03, she is not part of a video game... should would more likely be considered as part of a console, as well the add is not demonstrating her body as being like but rather implying the console is like her to sell it to horny kids. any one else want to buy a PS3 right now?
Robertn235 3 weeks ago
@Robertn235 Sex sells, but if you accept this premise, it would bring down a hypothesis about the art as the primary source of ideas about beauty.
dreamfall77 3 weeks ago
4:06 I remember that...Love her - you go Kate!
AuthorityQuestion 3 weeks ago
i dont think anorexia or bulemia or obsession with thinness is a problem in America. If it weren't for the magazines I think more women will let themselves go. America, 1 in 3 is considered overweight. Fattest nation on earth. These advertisements are actually doing the public a favor.
mrzack888 3 weeks ago
@mrzack888 Women eat because they are depressed. Women are often depressed because they have low self esteem. Women have low self esteem mostly because they don't like how they look. Women don't like how they look because media and society has engraved it into our brains that we are not good enough to sell us products. The advertisements are not doing a favour. They are in fact causing the dilemma. But you wouldn't understand because you are a man and don't understand how womens brains work.
pingidjit 3 weeks ago 2
@pingidjit if the stuff women stuffed into their moufs were healthy, then they wouldn't be growing fat. eating doesn't correlate and cause fatness, eating the wrong type of food causes fatness. why is it european women eat like pigs, but are skinny?
mrzack888 3 weeks ago
@pingidjit in general, advertising concept of feminism, "Xena, Warrior Princess," "Lara Croft", "Legally Blonde" and so on, by this logic, too, must throw down the usual fatties into depression .
dreamfall77 3 weeks ago
@pingidjit Well stated!
Greenvolv0 1 week ago
@mrzack888: theres a difference between health and unhealthy eating disorders. Yes, we have an unhealthy nation thanks to large corporations and all the food we buy today being unhealthy... An eating disorder is NOT healthier than being overweight or obese. Actually, losing weight is easier than trying to change a person with an eating disorder's mind. Not to mention, that is a small portion of the overall issue and this is a world-wide thing not just the U.S.
Brittniepimental 2 weeks ago
I just saw this film in my Women's Studies class today. I thought it was very interesting and informative. You gotta watch the whole thing before you start judging her for wearing make-up while making this speech. The point she's trying to come across does not include women wearing less make-up or no make-up. It is absolutely fine to enhance your look as long as it doesn't become unhealthy and dangerous, and as long as it's what you want and not what you feel pressured to do.
bunnhi 3 weeks ago
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@bunnhi That is, you think that she worked for 40 years captain of the evidence, because it is well known that the turkey, for example, it is normal if it is not poisonous, is delicious and not used in order to please a cook with a gun. Delightful.
dreamfall77 3 weeks ago
Sex sells, but who decides what's sexy? Advertisements do sell values, images, concepts, normalcy. The times/culture that we live/grow up in determines our definition of beauty, which shifts over time. It determines what we eat, wear, watch, our attitude towards others, etc. we are beings of nature, nurture and community, so we base our self-worth on how we appear to others. It's just stupid to assert that just one little girl out there develops unreasonable standards for herself from the media.
fifonadobson 3 weeks ago
Calm down, dear. It's only a commercial.
Drichansa 4 weeks ago
Kate Winslet somehow just became even more gorgeous to me.
SunnyHappy2008 4 weeks ago 55
I agree that SOME advertising exploits men. But, let's be real...the gross objectification of women in this society has existed since time began and has now reached an unbelievable level. Men are judged based on their accomplishments, women on their appearance. Look around you...it's everywhere you look...on billboards, television, print ads...and at Hooters (gag). We, as thinking people, must speak out and end this insanity.
RNfinally 4 weeks ago 25
@RNfinally Do not distort the classics. Men are valued at the value of a bank account, women on their appearance.
dreamfall77 4 weeks ago
Voilence? Dehumanizing? Half of those shots were legs...because they were selling shoes.
Also, the Ana Carolina Reston photo is shopped to look skinnier...you can find the originals online.
krynaski 1 month ago
@krynaski Then why isn't it just a picture of shoes? No they're selling sex. And Women as sex and nothing more. Hence the dehumanizing and ultimately violence.
luckytundra13 1 month ago 3
@luckytundra13 Well...one was a Guess ad, which I know for a fact was a shoe ad.
But beyond that, yes, I understand that some ads do go a bit far with sexualizing people-not just women, but it's an undeniable marketing advantage. The cold truth is sex sells, and your not going to stop the media because some people either: A. take it out of context or B. can't disassociate it with their everyday lives.
krynaski 1 month ago
@krynaski That is exactly the problem, sex sells and your not going to stop the media. Yes we can stop the media! That is the excuse everyone gives themselves to cop out of something they can change but don't want to be a part of it. So common We Can't stop the media, we can't stop the politician, we can't stop the big companies etc, etc, etc,....
mkmida 1 month ago
@krynaski continuation: I say as a consumers we CAN PUT A STOP TO WHAT WE WANT TO PUT A STOP TO IF WE AS A LARGE GROUP STAND TOGETHER AND DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PUT AN END TO WHAT WE FEEL IS DISTURBING AND THAT MESSAGE IN THAT VIDEO IS DISTURBING AND SAD....
mkmida 1 month ago
Yes, objectification of women has been some time in the making and we now see the devastating effects of this. Women have to realize this and have to be outraged. Ultimately WE have the power to reject this masculinist culture that see us as objects to be consumed (sexually or otherwise) and we're the ones who should be calling on men for their shameful treatment of women.
CountessGeschwitz 1 month ago
@CountessGeschwitz I AGREE
mkmida 1 month ago
@CountessGeschwitz Look at mens advertisement too... they also have impossible to live up to standards.. some men JUST CANT get washboard abs.. it takes lots of pain and work and also the right set of genetics and hormones.
F4rmGirl4Life 1 month ago
@F4rmGirl4Life Well true, that is a good point. Some advertisement geared towards men uphold an impossible standard. It's unfair, and I agree. And I think it should be talked about and fought, too. But on the whole, it is overwhelmingly women who are extremely harmed by such objectification in the media.
CountessGeschwitz 1 month ago 3
Oh wow this is awful in many ways
themangodess 1 month ago
Not only are they getting thinner but a lot of women want body parts that they won't naturally have. For instance lots of women want large butts because thats whats in ,since jlo and kim kardasian, now it's a must have but in the 80's and early 90.s it was considered to to gross to have a big butt and people would call you bubble butt. Now women are getting them surgically enhanced just because a popular celebrity has it. It's our responsiblity to so buying into this trash. m
jej1100 1 month ago
i'm not model skinny but i'm not over weight i'm just about right. i love the way God made me, I was blessed with curves and a booty and guess what media, I LOVE THE WAY I AM!! so good fuck you!
stephh24 1 month ago
but for real..i am sexy though...
kingkonghitme 1 month ago
For a woman, self–image equals self-worth: it’s the female condition. If she’s not happy with her self-image and feel worthless then she puts the blame on advertising, media and all the other patriarchy-led ‘evils’ like some adolescent feminist automaton locked tight in her “gender is a social construct” box. Yet how many of these self-satisfied, smug and politically correct females commentating on this video wear make-up, watch their weight, and shave their legs? Jean Kilbourne certainly does.
spiritofbebella 1 month ago
@spiritofbebella She's not blaming anything or anyone, she's just pointing out some real issues related with how women are portrait in advertising.
tukito101 1 month ago
@spiritofbebella uhm... no. I'm a woman and I prefer being appreciated for my personality and my brains instead of my looks. What she pointed out are the unhealthy standards that advertisings are constantly giving, and the objectification of human body.
EerieLockheart 1 month ago
@spiritofbebella You know what, i was about to write the same exact thing but then i saw your comment and i was like "This person look the words literally right out of me" I am a female and the first thing i notice when i watched this video 1 year ago "this lady is wearing make up" hypocrite is the thing that went on my mind. You as a person have the control to your own self esteem, not an ad.
Daimonique 1 month ago
@Daimonique Come on, THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUTTING ON MAKEUP OR DYING YOUR HAIR...really
mkmida 1 month ago
I was done with this in the first 40 seconds. If you get your concepts of love and sexuality, body image, or self worth from advertising, the problem isn't the adverts, it's you.
Advertising media doesn't tell anybody what to think. This totally reminds me of this: youtube.com/watch?v=U1N01V73IAc#t=01m00s
b0dhisattvah 1 month ago
This makes me really upset because it's so true, and the reality is, most people won't do anything to change it.
taylorrox1151994 1 month ago 2
This FUNNY thing is, the speaker's face has clearly had plastic surgery. LOL hypocrite.
melissareich 1 month ago
@melissareich The point of plastic surgery isn't just for beauty.. Ass.
JenatronX 1 month ago
This is so true...
linsey3696 1 month ago
wow.
Browniexb 1 month ago
agreed! You showed us this aspect that we are been adopting since we were teenagers. Glad i watched this.
soph2wentii 1 month ago 3
great video.
Laineybaby25 1 month ago
men: oh god women actually bought all that bullshit?!
Lampheader 1 month ago
When she said 'she has no pores' something clicked in my past. But this is not an old (10 year old) speech, is it?
I'm just reminded of university and now I'm curious
piecharthosen 1 month ago
hmm apparently that #4 didn't tip me off. This has been around for many many decades.
I may have watched an earlier incarnation of this. Almost required viewing for all TEENS. Do not wait until university like they did for me.
piecharthosen 1 month ago
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BLA BLA BLA Why is she not in the kitchen....
7xXSE7ENXx7 1 month ago
@7xXSE7ENXx7 not funny.
themooya 1 month ago 4
is there a 1&2?
where could i find them?
thanks
feelovesmangos 1 month ago
the japanese bound feet for hundreds of years,, in burma they put rings on the neck to stretch the look,, it actually collapses the clavicle..punishment for women was to remove the rings,,their necks would fall over and they would suffocate,, all for the beauty in ones minds eye.. the burka is used in some countries,,the poor women cant see correctly ,, and hardly can eat properly... we live in a strange world,,,
preemiememe 1 month ago
Ironic how the speaker is drenched in cosmetics and has indisputably dyed hair
samdaleyhillary 1 month ago
@samdaleyhillary woopty fuckin doo.. She isn't saying you shouldn't wear makeup or dye your hair.
sashastorey 1 month ago 5
@sashastorey She only said that it was not her voluntary choice, but the result of suggestion .
dreamfall77 1 month ago
@sashastorey That is not what it is referring to. It is about the indirect abuse and image women must portray in order to sell something. Women must sell a product that really doesn't exist. That is the point. No one really looks like those photos on the magazine and some young girl may think that is the way she should look like. I dye my hair put on mascara, and at times wear foundation but when I look in the mirror I see still see pores. THAT'S THE POINT.
mkmida 1 month ago
@mkmida Yes, let's ban Halloween because of the fact that some children may be frightened.
dreamfall77 4 weeks ago
@dreamfall77 ???? What...don't understand your point what does halloween and scare children have to do with this topic. I don't like halloween and I make my stand by not participating with anything that is related to halloween. ?????
mkmida 4 weeks ago
@mkmida Ignoring not an option, because some young girls do not know how to do it, and they may think that it is their own choice, blah blah blah.
dreamfall77 4 weeks ago
@samdaleyhillary
Uhh... how is that "ironic"?
bunnhi 3 weeks ago
Thats why I dont trust pics.
Vids or didn't happen/exist
TheMrXact 1 month ago
Damn...women be crazy. In the words of Ben Folds, "Y'all don't know what its like. Being male, middle-class and white."
RaiderRed64 1 month ago
After watching this clip, I realized that this woman came to my school about 4 years ago. I didn't appreciate her talks then, but I sure can now! Thanks for uploading!
kendrat199 1 month ago
Women consumers have the power to stop it. Just don't buy products associated with these types of ads/models/agencies/brands. Easier said than done, right ladies? You're already suckling on the teet of big corporate's ideal and devouring the ridonkulous articles of Cosmo. Good luck.
Me, as a bloke, I'll just keep ogling the oddities that pass as women in airbrushed ads and magazines, laughing at the women who strive for this image, while dating my gf, who is perfectly normal. Read: perfect. {=D
UnitedKingdomify 1 month ago 5
@UnitedKingdomify - I give you a thumbs up for loving your gf just as she is. But here is the thing about 'not buying' the products being sold: we like the products, but not the ads. Women will always love being beautiful. Make-up, clothes, shoes & hair are all part of the package. Does that mean we think we should be perfect? No! But I like looking great when I go out. I will buy the products while I condemn the advertising. There is more than one way to skin a cat!
shortlittlerebel 1 month ago
@shortlittlerebel But if Calvin Klein runs a bunch of ads promoting absurdly, impossibly, unhealthily thin women who are very blatantly airbrushed, don't buy CK products. There are substitutes. Companies running ads that are more grounded in reality but still promoting an ideal of beauty and femininity will be glad for the custom. The trend in adverts will become to avoid the stick thin, pore and wrinkle-free, impossibly and OBVIOUSLY shopped, almost computer generated model-look.
UnitedKingdomify 1 month ago
@shortlittlerebel When sales begin to take a hit due to the nature of the ads, CK would soon change the way they advertise to suit the consumers.
As a consumer you vote with your wallet (or fancy purse lol, or rather what's in it) you can't silently object to the advertising while purchasing its content, and ever hope to make a point. =)
UnitedKingdomify 1 month ago
I'm 45, when I was kid this was going on and just like she said, it's the same (if not worse) now. Damn, I really need to start doing more activism as a feminist because it's soooo depressing to see little girls emulating all the crap they are fed.
thatbitchonskates 1 month ago
Is the lecturer in front of a green screen? There's a weird glow going on, anyway good points!
BenjaminFunkadelic 1 month ago
of all the arguments that sound intelligent but are REALLY stupid, my favorite is "porn/sexy photos/advertising/fashion mags cause men to OBJECTIFY women!!" Right. Sure. So one day I have a mother, a sister, a girlfriend, female co-workers, etc. But one look at the Victoria Secret catalog and the next day BANG - now I'm a rapist who only sees women as objects for me to satisfy my uncontrollable violence and lust. We men are all just ass-grabbing, beer-soaked, crotch-scratching animals
speedformercy 2 months ago
@speedformercy While I understand your reaction, I really don't think this woman is making that point. You have to admit that the images shown are compelling evidence that women are very objectified. Women ARE raped & killed more than ANY sector of ANY population. And the aggressors are 99% men. The question is: does blatant , non-stop objectification lead to more violence on women? While this video doesn't fully answer, it certainly is compelling enough to think about it.
shortlittlerebel 1 month ago 2
it is not modern, progressive, educated men's fault if women are stupid and self-destructive. Women have been torturing & hurting themselves for millennia to look prettier than other women. I have heard many women say numerous times that "we don't do it for you" (meaning for men in general "we do it for each other." In Victorian times, MALE doctors pleaded with women to stop tightening their corsets to the point of causing internal organ damage, but the women continued to do so.
speedformercy 2 months ago
@speedformercy You are right and wrong. Women do it for men, no matter what the modern feminist take on it is. ALL women want to be beautiful. It is part of being a woman. It is a GOOD part of being a woman. It gives a lot of pleasure to both men and women that we are beautiful. Any woman (or man) who denies this is a liar. Women go wrong when they are so weak that they allow themselves to dominated by this desire. They then become perfect prey for snake oil salesmen.
shortlittlerebel 1 month ago
Only YOU can make yourself feel or think that you have to look a certain way. Period.
c0unt3rfeit 2 months ago
Hahahaa video made for frigid butthurt women.
Imphipis 2 months ago
Thank you. Posture is also very important and much of what you say about women here now aplies to men in the media too :-(
IntegrationTraining 2 months ago
and besides, the reason why women bodies always appear on advertisements is that men are very sexual, could not resist a woman's sexy body. it is not de humanization to me. As a matter of fact it is hard to be a man, always turned on by a woman's sexy body.
watchWorld100 2 months ago
@watchWorld100 That is a really unhealthy and scary attitude. Men are not weak, pathetic beings with no control over their sex drive and women are not destined to be sexy just to appease men. Grow the fuck up and stop objectifying women as if their only goal in this world is to be pretty for men.
Otana 2 months ago 2
I personally know some indigenous people (not Native Americans) and they also grow hair, so please, keep your racist stereotypes for yourself.
PirkkoUnkarilainen 2 months ago
This video has been shown in CA. at my college (Butte). I'm 63, a student there... I appreciate Jean's message, BUT, do I see a bra on her? I think she dyes her hair... she is definitely wearing mascara, lipstick, rouge - and has had her hair "styled" for this presentation.... so she's pretty much a hypocrite and this really steals her message away. Doesn't she feel she's acceptable enough looking to present au natural? She should try! judyUtah~!~ Can't Be Bought Productions
judyutah 2 months ago
this was the most ridiculous piece of feminist tripe I have ever watched.
Women love to complain and say they have it hard, buuuuullllshiiiiitttt,
Tezza21000 2 months ago
This seems equivalent to blaming coors light commercials for alcoholism...
Tommygunns90 2 months ago
@pingidjit Response #4: Anyway, the above points are off the top of my head and I’m sure the person featured in the clip above is intelligent enough to present a more thought-out thesis further on in the documentary.
QuebeKop 2 months ago
@QuebeKop Im certain that she can as well. But she did the best she could in the limited amount of time given to her. Remember she did not blame men, she blamed society. So stop taking it so personally. We as a whole are the problem, not any one person, gender, race, nationality....
pingidjit 2 months ago
@pingidjit Response #3: The thesis in the clip seems muddled because it equates advertising with publishing and fashion. The three industries are linked but separate. In particular fashion presents a feminine ideal that is quite different from glamour publishing. Homosexual men are clearly over-represented in the fashion industry, and it seems to me obvious that the anorexic look comes from a desire to present figures that are proportioned like prepubescent males: flat chests and narrow hips.
QuebeKop 2 months ago 2
@QuebeKop nothing in this comment has anything to do with what we were talking about so im gonna ignore it
pingidjit 2 months ago
@pingidjit Response part 2: Apart from the point I raised about Muslim countries, there is a long (as old as human culture) history of exaggeratedly sexualized female imagery dating back to fertility symbols such as the Venus of Willendorf that clearly predates advertising or publishing or capitalism. Also, men are frequently objectified in ads too. What does this mean?
QuebeKop 2 months ago
@QuebeKop Yes, men have been objectified too. The woman even said that in the video. The difference, however, is that women more so than men are the ones abused and treated poorly. Violence towards women is undisputably higher than towards men. Also the double standard. Men sleep around they are considered heros, women sleep around they are sluts. A male boss giving orders is a strong leader, a female boss is a bitch. Women are not taken as seriously in part due to ads, tv, hollywood, etc.
pingidjit 2 months ago 60
@pingidjit totally agree!
Vivian8825 1 month ago
@pingidjit Why do you have everything in black and white, like intelligence or espionage, dad or mom? A young and attractive man who sleeps with a middle-aged ladies for money - this gigolo, but not the hero-lover.
dreamfall77 1 month ago
@pingidjit How can this be a top comment?! Everything about it is false.
When was the last time you saw a man abuse a woman in a sit com or commercial?
All the war, crime and hosptal statistics show men are far more often victims of violence.
If a women looks at a stripper she's empowered, if a man does, he's a sleeze.
(see, I can do it too)
VAW gets taken 100% seriously, Violence Against Men is a punchline.
But, you're right. It IS largely due to the media (and pressure groups)
sirskeptic 1 month ago
@pingidjit Actually violence against men is and always has been much greater than violence against women. Portraying yourself as a victim is always a good way of getting attention and having the problem solved for you, without having to take action to improve yourself.
As for women working to look prettier, considering that people automatically respect the opinions of attractive people more and value those people more highly, women are taught to prioritize and develop a powerful tool.
ActivateDarkFlow 1 month ago
@pingidjit interesting world you live in.
tigerbody1 1 month ago
@pingidjit woman are not taken seriously not because they are lesser, but men are naturally dominant. I don't mean this in a bad way but its just nature, it hasn't changed since man and woman were created.
jarjarlol 1 month ago
@jarjarlol are you saying it's okay that they're not taken seriously?
watchoutfornargles 1 month ago
@watchoutfornargles I was being subjective and not giving my opinion, but rather a thought out observation.
jarjarlol 1 month ago
@jarjarlol right, then sorry ;) you're right anyway! it's still something that has to be worked on though.
watchoutfornargles 1 month ago
@jarjarlol "naturally dominant" are you serious? and that idea of yours is based in what study? or perhaps, is based in your own empirical experience in life.
tukito101 1 month ago
@jarjarlol How do you figure that men are naturally dominant? Isn't it the ongoing joke that the woman in the relationships are the boss and the husband says "yes dear". That doesn't sound very dominant to me. Women are not taken seriously because the way they look is more important than what they say. Octavia just won several awards for her acting in "The Help". The focus of her interviews should be on her acting but instead it was on her weight. Media focuses on how women look so reg ppl do to
pingidjit 3 weeks ago
@pingidjit Octavia Spencer is also awarded for the advertising of anorexia?
dreamfall77 3 weeks ago
@dreamfall77 No, that would be the media purposefully misinterpreting what she said. Twisting it to make it seem like she promotes anorexia, which she does not.
pingidjit 3 weeks ago
@pingidjit So, you still know the truth, and this means that there is resistance against the nutritionists lobby - a kind of federation of trade fast food .
dreamfall77 3 weeks ago
Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country. The practice of any other religion results in jail time. The practice of Islam is compulsory to citizenship. Non-Muslims are considered khawaja (foreigners) and are only tolerated for their money or the services they perform.
kuped 2 months ago
@kuped Wrong. Muslims are not allowed to convert to another religion. That is a crime with the death penalty. But NO LAW requires citizens or passport holders to be Muslim in the first place. Practising another religion in Saudi Arabia is not illegal but most that do, do not do it in the open.
pingidjit 2 months ago
@pingidjit Tell that to my friend who was recently taken into custody for possession of s *gasp* Christmas tree. Or the shopkeeper whom the Mutawa who pulled a Lebanese shopkeeper in for saying "Merry Christmas" to me last week. You need to get your facts straight.
kuped 2 months ago
@kuped So are you living in the US or Saudi Arabia? Cuz im confused now. If you're in the USA than these people would not have been arrested. However, if you are in Saudi Arabia than why the heck would a shopkeeper wish you a Merry Christmas in a supposedly strictly Muslim country?
pingidjit 2 months ago
I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAYS BUT THE PICTURE AT 3:39 IS not ANA CAROLINA RESTON . AND BESIDES IT´S PHOTOSHOP TO LOOK THINNER TOO. YOU CAN FIND THE ORIGINAL OVER GOOGLE.
marisolmongelosm 2 months ago
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Women, read this AGAIN:
Hint #1: I, my friends, and every straight American male I know do not like starved-looking women.
Hint #2: Straight men are not the movers and shakers of the women's fashion industry. It is not straight American men who push extreme standards.
Hint #3 Take what this feminist speaker says with a lot of skepticism.
If you starve yourself like Karen Carpenter did, you will be as sexy as last year's Christmas tree; do not blame guys like me.
- Albacorewing
Albacorewing 2 months ago
is the speaker using make-up?
alexis19866 2 months ago
Thank for shared
orchid182 2 months ago
Ever since I remember I've been this way... Me above everybody except God.
Sonia1978NYC 2 months ago
To HELL with models and the like; I'm NARCISSISTIC. O_o
God, how I effin' LOVE MYSELF!!!!!
Sonia1978NYC 2 months ago
Kate Winslet is beautiful BUT she cant deny that she didnt lose more weight then her overall weight for Hollywood this is a British attitude its a good one but a little fake Kate did indeed lose weight since Titanic.
ISLAMIQEDUCATION 2 months ago
And not ugly... this vid is so stupid
zuckerbb 2 months ago
Well lets see their are girls that are perfect
zuckerbb 2 months ago
@caileiholc Oh, you poor little thing. Has that 'orrible evil patriarchal media empire been telling babakins what to wear? There, there... suck on your dummy and I'll chase those nasty men - who force women to wear high-heels - away.
minutepastmidnight 2 months ago
Please stop buying their products and send a message that their ads are a failure!
stattoo32 2 months ago
Strange, I don’t hear any complaints about kick-boxing, gun-toting, sword-wielding Hollywood babes. Perhaps adolescent fantasy empowerment agrees with Feminist sensibilities, rather than real-life sexual empowerment which every woman acquires when she grows up. I suggest that the “women in chains” here - being horribly ‘objectified’ (when it suits them) - have a lot of growing up to do.
spiritofbebella 2 months ago
I do agree with her that the medias view of "beautiful" is ridiculous. People are taught that if your not the exact same as some "trend" or model then your not normal or pretty. But in the end its the peoples fault for listening to media and other entertainment figures. Its sickening how many people, especially young girl idolize the media and entertainment figures. They are humans with flaws as well. No one is perfect. And its not one person or outlets fault for this its everyone's.
mandyxo88 2 months ago
Damn shes right, looking at those commercials made me want to punch women.
O well, shes also speaking the truth, ads will put a huge pressure to a human being, regardless of the age. Everybody desires to be popular, sexy and rich in the deep down. But is this problem caused by commercials or just people not realizing that they shoulnt be fooled by such ideals.
Jakuzevich 2 months ago
So an ad for, say, nail polish, should have to show the model's whole body because not to is objectifying and dehumanizing, even though doing so makes the product hard to see (or the maker has to spend a lot more money to buy a larger ad)?
MelissaYeuxdoux 2 months ago
the sad thing is, some ppl that are naturally really thin hate that they not able to put on weight easily... :/
NialaMd 2 months ago
i see her points but she lost me at the whole violence thing.
chasecec 2 months ago
By my count, 25 of the images shown were ads aimed at women, 10 were for products targeting men (beer). It's totally unfair to imply that men set these thinness standards, or are influenced to be violent towards women because of ads for perfume in magazines we never open.
stillawake76 2 months ago 8
@stillawake76 I agree! Certainly wrt anorexia in models. The fashion world is as far away from heterosexual males as it can get. We no like skeletons!
Heyhoyawah 2 months ago
@stillawake76 The unfortunate part is when you put the violence in there it becomes to dramatic and you lose peoples attention. Its a reach! Its to bad instead of focusing on women and their health and making them confident the message gets side tracked! Violence against women was more prominent and accepted years before this type of marketing ever existed. Being super thin and wearing make up advertises that you are unhappy and as a single man I avoided these women!
stattoo32 2 months ago
@stattoo32 So you know all about it, do you? You know that women who wear make-up, and perhaps naturally slim, are 'unhappy'... what parallel reality are you in? Being a PC sycophant ain't the way... single women avoid men like you.
minutepastmidnight 2 months ago
@minutepastmidnight Are'nt you angry little fella?! Its hard to capture the essence of what I was trying to say in the limited number of characters permitted. Naturally slim is not the topic if you were paying attention?! Make-up is disgusting! Furthermore, why purchase something with toxic ingredients & animals are tortured with to make women "pretty" or smell "nice". Society had better take a good look inward as we are destroying ourselves! Beauty comes from within! Boycott these companies!
stattoo32 2 months ago
@stillawake76 She never implied that men were the problem. She said that we as a people are the problem. Society. Everyone. It isnt just mens fault. Women put a lot of pressure on themselves and others. The only thing she mentioned in regards to being specifically male is that violence towards women has gotten higher because of the objectification of women. This is a true fact. She is not making it up or trying to lay blame. Its just a sad truth than many (not all, nor most) men are abusers.
pingidjit 2 months ago 4
@pingidjit "violence towards women has gotten higher because of the objectification of women. This is a true fact." Please supply the evidence. Because I suspect that if you analyze countries that allow Western-style advertising you would find lower rates of violence against women than countries that don't allow it (eg. strict Muslim countries).
QuebeKop 2 months ago
@QuebeKop You realize that Muslim countries (which actually don't exist btw, there are many countries with muslim citizens but no country consists of only muslims) dont need western-style ads to objectify women. The women in these countries are already considered objects/property/can be owned and traded like goods. This further proves my point of objectifying women causing violence. As far as evidence to back up my statement, try google. Any study that has focused on this topic has said as much.
pingidjit 2 months ago 4
@pingidjit I'm separating my response into several comments, otherwise I'll exceed the character limit. Besides the quibbling over the term "Muslim countries" (we all know what that means), I don't really understand your logic as it relates to the rather fuzzy thesis outlined in the short clip above. I feel like the issue of objectification of women is far more complex than made out in the clip.
QuebeKop 2 months ago
@QuebeKop Agreed it is far more complex that what little time allowed for the discussion in the clip. However that does not change the fact that the objectification of women does cause harm to women, as it does to men as well that are perceived as objects. Women are often victims of abuse (physical, sexual and emotional), disrespect, inequality, and disdain. The causes of these behaviors towards women have continuously been linked to thinking of women as objects or animals (not human).
pingidjit 2 months ago
@pingidjit Thank you for saying this, I wasn't able to articulate it like you. Due to the objectification, their true value as a human is not recognized. It would make it easier for people to abuse someone whom they look upon as a pretty shell, instead of a shell with a life inside. I hope this makes sense.
AmazingMonkeyQueen 2 months ago
@stillawake76 you're an idiot
amybekah 2 months ago
@stillawake76 like omg! beer! duh!
yeahthrowingdownroc 2 months ago
@stillawake76 Do you think the point of the video was to blame you personally for a cultural-political state of things? The fact is that some beauty standards are enforced with unblinking conformity in representations of women as opposed to representations of men, to the point where those standards come to be valued more than the actual persons to which they apply. That speaks to a power imbalance that affect all aspect of our society. So yes, the ruling viewpoint is male.
GodlessXVIII 2 months ago 4
Kate Winslet and I share the same birthday...and the same attitude. Hooray for Kate for rejecting the fakery. She's naturally beautiful and beautifully built.
JuliaB1955 2 months ago
Good video. I would add that teaching "evolution" obivously dehumanizes people.
YakNepal 2 months ago
@YakNepal D:
misanthr0pe 2 months ago
@YakNepal Way to over reach with that one.
roxierage 2 months ago
@YakNepal So what are we supposed to teach that "humanises" people instead?
Eurovision07Molitva 2 months ago
I'm fairly close to model-thin naturally and I still can't look at women's mags. Because it never ends - "So you're thin! Great! Now to be attractive you need to also spend a lot of time and money and effort on your hair and makeup and clothes!" Focusing on that stuff has never made me happy, so now I avoid those magazines entirely. Many intelligent women I know still fall for it though.
anita18 2 months ago 2
@anita18 What is this idiocy? Women have been spending time on making themselves 'more attractive' for thousands of years! If women were not bothered about their looks there would be no market for beauty products. Your self-image problems are your own and not caused by fashion magazines or anything else. The women who "fall for it" do so because it adds to their sexuality or femininity, as every woman knows.
spiritofbebella 2 months ago
@spiritofbebella Sure my self-image is my own, but reading fashion magazines naturally doesn't help! You are what you surround yourself with. Even the most independent person will be influenced by what's around them. And obviously some women enjoy beauty products, so certainly not every woman out there is like me. But some stress out about it, and I'm saying there's certainly a choice in walking away if you aren't happy where you are.
anita18 2 months ago