I'm an Indian Anarchist, You guys have my respect...I'm no Confederate but that's only because I don't know much about the Confederacy and all, but I DO know the current U.S. is just a bunch of lying fucks who criticize their current enemy in any way they can. Including us Indians..
@RebelSoldat1 Maybe they came out, but who the fuck in the mainstream media would give a shit about a CEO of a pizza company having multiple affairs? No one. People only start caring once the person involved is relevant. Just like when Herman Cain was running for president, and just like when Bill Clinton was running for president. Just open your fucking eyes to realize that maybe some Republicans aren't as perfect as you think they are.
@RebelSoldat1 Herman Cain admitted it you dipshit. And there you go again, using NO facts and just blindly using words to try to make me sound like an idiot...
@RebelSoldat1 I will never vote Republican. Didn't you do the exact same thing to Bill Clinton, as we did to Herman Cain? Yeah...real losers, right? How about instead of waving a flag non-stop and yelling at "liberals" you go read a book, educate yourself...and then re-think your political beliefs..
@RebelSoldat1 You speak the truth brother. Back in '08 Obama himself said that we were in one of the worst economic depressions since the great depression. Now it's "We didn't know". Stop tryin' to pull the wool over our eyes, man.
IF WE SIT ON OUR ASSES AND COMMENT CHEESY COMMENTS ON HERE THE SOUTH WILL NEVER RISE WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND START THE FUCKING REVOLUTION NOW:P THUMBS UP IF YOU WILL HELP ME START THE REVOLUTION AND SUCSEED
@Shadowmourne07 Don't let those crappy Skyrim jokes get you down, private, Yankee troll's arrows are only made of sharpened crayons, rubber bands, and popsicle sticks, so get back on your keyboard soldier, we got an internet war to fight.
@LeftPolitiko Also aside from my comment about how the war actually started, it probably could have been avoided. Slavery was at the time a dying practice around the world, especially in great britain(the primary buyer of southern goods). if left alone the south would have eventually been forced to give up slavery, just as Brazil, the last country to end slavery, did it without conflict. all the war did was speed it up 10 years or so and make southerners scapegoat and hate blacks even more(kkk?)
@LeftPolitiko Actually... the north, while for freeing the slaves, didnt make any legal moves to free the slaves untill 3 years into the conflict. Slaver was a point of tension but the breaking point and the start of the war was over the north controled government putting into action extreme taxes on the exportation of southern cotton and tobbaco, as well as other goods, effectively forcing the south to sell their goods to the north only.
@SaveOneShot slavery is still very common esp in the Muslim countries..(I agree it was dying in the US, it isn't financially responsible when one can pay by the hour and then send the worker off)
@LeftPolitiko If the Civil WAr was about slavery and ONLY slavery, why were four of the Union States Slavery States? Just curious, not angry or hateful.
Actually, the Civil War was about more than slavery. It was a war against a growing Southern Economy and the States Rights. Few of those who fought in the Civil War had slaves, and not ll of them believed in slavery. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in "states in rebellion against the United States", and any Northern slave who would fight for the Union were given their freedom also.
I do not condone slavery or racism, but get your history right by studying it.
This song gives me chills...I love it. Besides, as many have stated, the war wasn't about slavery. And how can you condemn the Confederacy for what they did to Blacks while at the same time the Union was also practicing child labor? Choose a moral side or ignore it. Besides, if the Confederacy did manage to suceed then slavery would have ended by today's age if they continued to be an advanced nation. They could have made that choice for themselves, they didn't need Lincoln to force it on them.
@johncashrocks221 Who the fuck do you think you are? Im not illegal dumb ass, my great grandpa served and died in world war II, I dont appreciate your shit, I am more patriotic than you will ever be! GOD BLESS THE USA
@MrFataja how dare you call me unpatriotic, i said that because you insulted the south, my great, great uncle was killed in the vosgues mts. in france in ww2, my family has been in this country since 1735, god bless the northern and southern states, the west was unfairly taken from mexico
how does it make everyone feel knowing that there were black slave owners and black confederate soldiers who joined the army on the own accord?
also: the war was not started as a war over slavery, but over economic domination. it wasn't about the blacks until january of 1863 (the war had been going for a couple of years).
@ctminarchist You have no idea what your talking about. Please stop giving incorrect symbolism to the southern flag. Just cause hate groups use it for that reason doesn't make it so. My Great, great, grandfather fought under that flag and he did not own one slave. He loved his state and he fought for its freedom. Your uneducated statements make you look stupid. A feeble attempt to make the leftist revisionist history truth when it was actual just feel good propaganda.
@LeftPolitiko Hmm.... why do you fuckers always forget about the white slaves? To ya'll all slaves are black but thats only cause it fits your political aims. Truth is there were white slaves also. At one point 1/2 of all whites in the states were brought as slaves. Many from England, Scotland and Ireland. They got the do things like work in coal mines and shit like that were alot died due to substandard working conditions. Whites slaves were Americas first slaves. Get your facts right moron!
Look, the whole war wasn't over slavery. That was only a very, very small part of it. It was about State's rights. Because the North won, Sherman was counted as a hero. In fact, he was a villian. He burned and salted the fields on his march to the sea. Salt makes the ground unable to grow for many, many years. Yet, he was rewarded. Had the South won, he would have been hanged for the injustices he did to the Southen People
@ctminarchist I want to clarify too. I never supported slavery as an institution, when I just said "I never supported slavery, except when I supported statism" I equate slavery with statism now. And to my knowledge I dont use the confederate flag in any of my videos. I use one with color variations I think.
@LeftPolitiko That's fine as long as you admit that the North was not fighting for anybody's freedom. There were two kinds of white Americans in those days, both North and South: racists, and those who were complicit in racism.
Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. They were slaves for life. The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master's silver and china and then taking their place in high society, were a minuscule fraction of the hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.
@Southernsoldier83 The war was about states rights. Slavery was not racist. There were white slaves too! Precentage wise Free Black owned slaves more often then Free Whites. So it is not about color! Please stop trying to shove that bullshit down people throats. ITS BULLSHIT!!!!!
The "snake in the grass" flag was and is the first American flag and it, unlike the many others of the time, has never been "DX'st". In other words, the old snake in the grass is still the only "other" American flag. Look it up, don't depend on me but learn... Anyway, It's a rebel flag (revolution war) but not a southern rebel flag and in so being it's not right for the song. I fly one always.... just cause I'm a historian and I happen to know.... "I can". Sure say's it all, eh?
@trert1 6%, and 13% are the very small minorities out of both groups. There were actually rebels against the rebels during the war! It turns out that farmers, and free slaves didn't like those elitist plantation owners either.
The CSA was created when several deep southern states felt that President Lincoln was a threat to the expansion and instituion of slavery. I can understand people who honour the CSA's soldiers as they had little stake in the instition but I cannot understand why some such as you would venerate a nation that declared that slavery was the the cornerstone of its nation.
The CSA may have had less goverment control of the states but blacks living in the south were under a police state like system.
@LongHairedLoser Why is it always that slavery arguement is always about blacks? You all forget about the hundreds of thousands of white slaves that died in slavery in the U.S.? Oh wait, it doesn't fit your highly uneducated political arguement. I am sorry if I threw a wrench in your stupid arguement and attempt to make southerns look bad when it was the whole country that had the problem.
White slavery took place in the 13 colonies and lasted until you payed off depts.. The American south and the Confederate States of America had their economic and social systems based around negro slavery.
@LongHairedLoser Yeah paid what you owe eh? Is that why so many died in slavery. The system was established to keep people in slavery. Every dollar you made was taken as soon as you made it to cover your room board and meals. There was no paying off what you owe. There were white slave even after the 13 colonies. They were not on plantations. They were put in dangerous jobs such as coal mines and other jobs of the hard labor nature.
@LongHairedLoser It was established for states rights. Not slavery. Old Abe made it about slavery near the end of the war so he could feel justified in his war crimes!
@LongHairedLoser Dear Sir, the southern part of the country was not the only slave holders. In the northern part of the country there where slave owners as well, they just called it indentured servitude. As to slavery being the main reason for the southern states to secede from the union, this is pure hog wash. The constitution clearly states why, when and how a state can secede, for example, in the war of 1812 the state of new jersey and Maryland temporaly seceded from the union.
@LongHairedLoser My Political Science professor helped us understand this overstated logical fallacy.
Replace every mention of "slavery" in those documents and speeches with "the side of our toast that we apply butter to", and it effectively allows you to read more into them. The institution of slavery was absolutely not the reason for the war. It was just a nice placeholder.
So when CSA VP Alexander Stephens said it was the cornerstone of the Confederate nation he was lying? So the CSA constitution really wasn't about protecting slavery when it shamelessly copied the US constitution and added in clauses protecting slaveholders and their 'property' it really wasn't the main reason. When the succession decelerations of deep southern states said that slavery was the main cause they were making stuff up.
@LongHairedLoser No. It was not a cause of the war. The South's protection of the institution of slavery was a cause for the secession, but not the war. They had every intention of leaving peacefully.
@LongHairedLoser No. It was not a cause of the war. The South's protection of the institution of slavery was a cause for the secession, but not the war. They had every intention of leaving peacefully.
@LongHairedLoser The protecttion of slavery was a point which got political support due to the influence of the wealthy plantation owners and their money.
However the vast majority of southerners did not own slaves nor did they support its institution. They did however oppose the Federal governments economic policies such as tariffs on British goods which favored northern industries at the expense of southern consumers. Slavery drove down the wages of poor whites, they had no love for it.
Well it is true slavery, mostly the issue of the expansion of slavery into the Western terr. and how it would affect the rep of slave and free states played a major part in why the South seceded. Many neo confederates lie and say slavery had nothing to do with it. However, it is important to note that Lincoln's main concern was the collection of the tariff and keeping the Union together above ending slavery.
Also, white southerners were denied the ability to vote for awhile in the South while blacks could vote which helped lead to racial tensions that happened later (not to say I agree with the later actions of the whites pre Reconstruction). Just to Erik's defense I don't think he is a "racist". That is me remember :). Take care man and come on skype.
@LeftPolitiko I defend the right for anyone to have secession. If you intend to connect support for the ability to secede from political unions = automatic support for slavery then you're more of an idiot then you are. And "citizenship" oh how thoughtful. We all get to have it from the wonderful state, how kind of them. Blacks went from a more obvious form of slavery to a more subtle one, of which we are all now a part of. But honestly I hate you, I don't care, and I'm ok with that. Bubeyeee
do you know your history? dude the south put up a pretty good fight. they whooped the shit out of the union in the beginning, it was just key battles that the union won that the south just couldnt recover from.
I was born in the south and have lived the struggle, I see first hand how our dear Mr. Lincoln turned this great nation into his personal experiment. he cost millions of AMERICANS their livelyhoods in the name of a vote. We died in the fields and in the streams fighting for our lives and a way of survival. Our families lost everything and then had to succumb to further embarrasment when they made us give them reperations.......
I was born in the south and have lived the struggle, I see first hand how our dear Mr. Lincoln turned this great nation into his personal experiment. he cost millions of AMERICANS their livelyhoods in the name of a vote. We died in the fields and in the streams fighting for our lives and a way of survival. Our families lost everything and then had to succumb to further embarrasment when they made us give them reperations.......
@MessengernothMessage Southerners were fighting for the same thing the Americans who formed our country were fighting Britain for. Self determination.
oh my goodness! I can't believe this song still exists! I thought I wouldn't be able to find it. I'm actually a little surprised it hasen't gotten banned and expelled from the US yet. lol it's so funny!
i wonder what the usa would of been like if the south won i wish they did im from the north yes but i would of supported the south they will rise again
I shed a tear for righteous Dixie and her trampled people. May she win the freedom from Federal tyranny she is destined for. Arizona stands with you till death oh glorious bars and stars! Up with the Holy Cross!
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@SamWiseGingy I despise politics. And there is a difference between hating the people and hating the American state, and conflating the two is irrational.
@SamWiseGingy Im an anti-statist. I am opposed to all states because I believe they are inconsistent with a majority or peoples views on ownership, property and the initiation of force. States are coercive monopolies on violence and other services and do not acquire land and other resources that you or I would deem to be "legal" or legitimate. States are also responsible for the most unnatural deaths in history and to this day.
@SamWiseGingy I know that. While the South had a state, some of the ideals it fought for, one primarily being secession and self determination are the ideals I share. While I would be against any state I find the South to be the least bad side in the war and with the song its very anti-authority and sums up my views of the american state as well. Im also Southron by heritage so I enjoy the music.
@SamWiseGingy I said I held some of the ideals the Confederacy fought for. Your putting words in my mouth. Im anti-state and I said I would be opposed to the Confederate state. Im also against slavery, I think with the anti-state position thats pretty obvious. No, the world is covered with states of all forms. Hence the reason they prevent secession as it compromises the states power and "legitimacy", and flying spaghetti monster forbid we succeed where the state fails.
1. You chose this song to express your ideas even though this song differs from your ideas in two respects, you don't support salvery and you recognize that the Confederacy was just another state. Right?
2. There is no model for your politics. There is no place or nation that does "goverment" the way you want it done. Right?
If I got both of those things right then how does associating with the confederacy help you communicate your ideas?
@SamWiseGingy On your first point, yes pretty much. On two, no nation currently does it, though there have been past examples. Ireland for 1000 years, among other examples, was governed by the tuaths which is a precursor to basically what I would be for. On your third question, for most people who have looked into the history of the war they would hold the same position I would. The South was the least bad of the sides and I personally am Southron by heritage. Also the song speaks a lot of
You are serious. You want to trade the system of government that the USA has for the system of government/non-government that Ireland had in the dark ages.
That's enough for me. As far I can tell your brain is beyond redemption and I recommend they pull the plug.
@SamWiseGingy Well thats because you haven't looked into the topic or the subject material and are a biased douche who has a closed mind to the status quo. I have pity on you. But anyway, did I say the same thing? No. The basis of the tuath system of voluntary governments is a good model to bases a stateless society off of.
Correct me if I am wrong but Ireland was taken over by the English, wasn't it. What protects states without a government/military from state with a government/military?
@SamWiseGingy Yes it was, over time, eventually by Oliver Cromwell. Google "stateless Ireland" and the first page is pretty much what you're looking for. I and others have short videos on stateless defense. But if you want to look into it and the info behind it, you're going to have to read a bit.
No, not interested. If you think the Confederacy was a positive step in the evolution of government then I have no desire to imitate your reasoning, and I have no reason to believe your model has anything to offer.
@SamWiseGingy Yea I figured you wouldn't be, because that would involve questioning ones conditioned belief structure and expanding ones horizons intellectually. But when did I ever say it was a positive step? Once again you're pulling shit out of your ass and its no surprising me in the slightest.
@SamWiseGingy The Confederacy was a state and I do not support states or statism. The South was the least bad of the two sides and of the ideals it fought for, some of those I share. Namely secession and self determination being the major ones. I also adopted the song because I share its sentiments and now apply its lyrics to my present day struggle against statism. I do also have Southron heritage and enjoy aspects of Southron culture.
I despise our government, our flag, it's bloody heritage and what it did to my ancestors. I don't support slavery, but there were slaves under the American flag longer than the Southern flag and your average southerner didn't own them. Those fought because they were invaded. Like most wars, started by rich folk on both sides in an attempt to insure one group kept it's wealth and gained more. American liberty died with the North's victory.
Slavery was wrong,, but ultimately...the southerners who fought in that war, fought for self determination and freedom and the rights of their sovereign states to make decisions for themselves. What you got afterward was pretty much an oligarchy run for the benefit of a few who promoted uber jingoistic style patriotism and love of government and imperialism. As soon as the supposed Northern heroes suppedly freed the slaves...they went on to wipe out Native Americans.
@SamWiseGingy (cont) disdain and contempt for the US state and that I like, but thats my subjective opinion. And people would defend against a state. I have a bunch of channels displayed on my channel and I and others talk about all aspects of a stateless society.
@SamWiseGingy BECAUSE THE SOUTH WASN'T ABOUT SLAVERY for fucks sakes man, learn your fucking history and you'd know that only like 5% of the south even OWNED slaves, and only a fraction of that treated their slaves like you've read in your 5th grade history books.
@SamWiseGingy More just another liberal BS. Im not a conservative, a republican, racist or even a theist and if you actually knew something you would know what the flag shown is. Go educate yourself.
@elkridgesucks Im not sure of the exact names, but I had some ancestors fight for Virginia in the 51st VA and I believe a few who fought for Louisiana as well. I also may be related to Gen. Ambrose Wright who fought under Gen. Pickett at Gettysburg, Either way I totally agree. Long Live the South!
god bless my ancestry: Cpt Carey F Grimes Portsmouth light Artillery, CSA, KIA Sharpsburg 17 Sep 1862, his brother G.W.Grimes Lt. 17th north carolina , CSA, and Cpt John Allen Lovett, CSN, served aboard the CSS Partrick Henry after resigning his comission in the USNavy.
Fought for their land, their rights, their families, their honor and the great glorious state of Virginia.
@mmmmmarcus I'm just saying, half Irish and have native indian? Let me guess, your parents either met at a bar or at the welfare office. I'm surprised that you are sober enough to type.
@blairjere1 Indian? What kind of moron still calls us indians? Am I from India? Fucking retarded sheep.. Fuck, you're lucky you have vertebrae, otherwise you'd lose your own fuckin head. I'm willing to assume your stupid ass pronounces it: "vert-e-bray".. God you're such a fucking moron.
@mmmmmarcus Call youself what you want, you're still a useless wa-hoo drain on society. We should have killed all of you off when we had the chance. Now you cry and complain, "you stole our land" - well, you should have fought harder, pussies!
@InTheEndIWasRight Also, it's interesting to see Southern secessionist/minarchist circles mixing with anarchist circles online more and more. Being both a Southerner and an anarchist, it's nice for me to see.
The civil war can be viewed in a variety of ways - the South was largely agrarian and used slaves in its economy for this purpose. The North was more industrialised and used wage slavery in its economy. The fight was not about slavery but which form of slavery.
You guys can ponder all you want. Slaves/Negroes/humans where much better off after the civil war than they where before it. Well id also say that before the civil war that they where better off without all his shit, before they where enslaved.
Well, from my understanding it IS bullshit. Lincoln did not agree that Negroes were equal to Whites but needed their support in the war against the South. From what I understand, Lincoln only agreed to free Negro slaves in those States that fought against the Union. Any State that agreed to stay in the Union could keep their slaves. I understand that Lincoln's main(only) concern was keeping the Union of States together and he couldn't really care less about slavery.
Yes, when I'm talking in historical terms I use historical language. If I was talking about how European invaders of North America referred to the Inuit people I would be using the term "Eskimo" as the term that was used. But it seems that nobody who WE might call an eskimo would call themselves by that name. It's apparent that the name "Eskimo" was a term invented by others, meaning either "enemy", "raw meat eater" or "the people who speak a different language".
Ok, gotcha. I don't use that term to refer to a people because of its historically derogatory and offensive connotations. But if you were using it because that's how Blacks were referred to historically, I don't see a big issue with that.
I don't know what french culture is like, but in the U.S. it would be highly offensive to refer to a Black person as a negro. It has been used historically as a derogatory term and is extremely insulting to Blacks.
Right, white is no big deal, just as black is no big deal. I see no problem with calling Blacks Blacks (rather than African American). Negro is not the equivalent of White though. Black is. Negro is an offensive term.
Weren't the Irish big in New York as well, or was that later on? The Scots were largely responsible for populating our Maritime provinces in Eastern Canada and it was quite an extensive negotiation process before they agreed to join into the country of Canada. The Irish/Scots have a reputation for having some sort of uber-pride, perhaps an idea of racial superiority, perhaps not. My experience is that the're usually certain and unapologetic about their opinions.
The song certainly issues clarity about some Southerner's hatred for the "Yankees" of the North. As a Canadian, I've often wondered about your country's N/S divide prior to the civil war. For example, I can't find out what nations of origin were the majority in the N. and S. Were there earlier, European, rivalries that began your separation? What is the origin of what seems to be a Southern/Central conservative perspective from the Northern/Coastal liberal perspective?
I'm an Indian Anarchist, You guys have my respect...I'm no Confederate but that's only because I don't know much about the Confederacy and all, but I DO know the current U.S. is just a bunch of lying fucks who criticize their current enemy in any way they can. Including us Indians..
AnarchoAmerican117 6 days ago
@RebelSoldat1 Maybe they came out, but who the fuck in the mainstream media would give a shit about a CEO of a pizza company having multiple affairs? No one. People only start caring once the person involved is relevant. Just like when Herman Cain was running for president, and just like when Bill Clinton was running for president. Just open your fucking eyes to realize that maybe some Republicans aren't as perfect as you think they are.
TheSoleTop 2 weeks ago
@RebelSoldat1 Herman Cain admitted it you dipshit. And there you go again, using NO facts and just blindly using words to try to make me sound like an idiot...
TheSoleTop 2 weeks ago
@RebelSoldat1 I will never vote Republican. Didn't you do the exact same thing to Bill Clinton, as we did to Herman Cain? Yeah...real losers, right? How about instead of waving a flag non-stop and yelling at "liberals" you go read a book, educate yourself...and then re-think your political beliefs..
TheSoleTop 2 weeks ago
@RebelSoldat1 You speak the truth brother. Back in '08 Obama himself said that we were in one of the worst economic depressions since the great depression. Now it's "We didn't know". Stop tryin' to pull the wool over our eyes, man.
DeathFistMMA 3 weeks ago
You are supporters of the losers... That would be like being proud of John McCain...OBAMA2012
TheSoleTop 3 weeks ago
i dont care what you damn yankees say this song is mine and my familys life
thebluesking12 1 month ago
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IF WE SIT ON OUR ASSES AND COMMENT CHEESY COMMENTS ON HERE THE SOUTH WILL NEVER RISE WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND START THE FUCKING REVOLUTION NOW:P THUMBS UP IF YOU WILL HELP ME START THE REVOLUTION AND SUCSEED
rblclan 1 month ago
I used to be a Confederate soldier, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Shadowmourne07 2 months ago
@Shadowmourne07 Don't let those crappy Skyrim jokes get you down, private, Yankee troll's arrows are only made of sharpened crayons, rubber bands, and popsicle sticks, so get back on your keyboard soldier, we got an internet war to fight.
GunnytheBunny1 1 month ago 3
The United States is a joke
InCMPunkWeTrust 2 months ago
"I hates the nasty eagle, with all his brag and fuss/ But the lyin', theivin' yankees/ I hates them wuss and wuss"
Yes, we hates them my precious... hates the yankesses, my precious...
Mahacanda 2 months ago 2
@LeftPolitiko Also aside from my comment about how the war actually started, it probably could have been avoided. Slavery was at the time a dying practice around the world, especially in great britain(the primary buyer of southern goods). if left alone the south would have eventually been forced to give up slavery, just as Brazil, the last country to end slavery, did it without conflict. all the war did was speed it up 10 years or so and make southerners scapegoat and hate blacks even more(kkk?)
SaveOneShot 2 months ago
@LeftPolitiko Actually... the north, while for freeing the slaves, didnt make any legal moves to free the slaves untill 3 years into the conflict. Slaver was a point of tension but the breaking point and the start of the war was over the north controled government putting into action extreme taxes on the exportation of southern cotton and tobbaco, as well as other goods, effectively forcing the south to sell their goods to the north only.
SaveOneShot 2 months ago
@SaveOneShot slavery is still very common esp in the Muslim countries..(I agree it was dying in the US, it isn't financially responsible when one can pay by the hour and then send the worker off)
paragtime 1 month ago
white man has seen slavery as any other race power to arkansas 72701
beauitfulBomb 4 months ago
I defend the right for blacks to seceed from their slave masters.
agoradepot 5 months ago
Awww hell yeah!
CosmicThinking 6 months ago
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What is it with this "s" in "I hates"? Can anyone explain why it is used in Southern dialect?
magicflip2K 6 months ago
would like to say that at that time we NEEDED slavery because our economy relied on it, that a big reason why we fought to keep it.
333Dawncomet333 7 months ago
@LeftPolitiko If the Civil WAr was about slavery and ONLY slavery, why were four of the Union States Slavery States? Just curious, not angry or hateful.
bikecopjoe 8 months ago 2
@bikecopjoe it was about far more than slavery
johncashrocks221 7 months ago
Actually, the Civil War was about more than slavery. It was a war against a growing Southern Economy and the States Rights. Few of those who fought in the Civil War had slaves, and not ll of them believed in slavery. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in "states in rebellion against the United States", and any Northern slave who would fight for the Union were given their freedom also.
I do not condone slavery or racism, but get your history right by studying it.
TheRidge27 9 months ago
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@TheRidge27
Are y'all also proud of your heritage in the civil RIGHTS war?
60 years ago you were STILL claiming blacks were less than a man and lynching them at your pleasure
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
This song gives me chills...I love it. Besides, as many have stated, the war wasn't about slavery. And how can you condemn the Confederacy for what they did to Blacks while at the same time the Union was also practicing child labor? Choose a moral side or ignore it. Besides, if the Confederacy did manage to suceed then slavery would have ended by today's age if they continued to be an advanced nation. They could have made that choice for themselves, they didn't need Lincoln to force it on them.
nosoapradiotacoma 9 months ago
@nosoapradiotacoma the federal government was also murdering peacful indians
johncashrocks221 7 months ago
@johncashrocks221 Who the fuck do you think you are? Im not illegal dumb ass, my great grandpa served and died in world war II, I dont appreciate your shit, I am more patriotic than you will ever be! GOD BLESS THE USA
MrFataja 7 months ago
@MrFataja how dare you call me unpatriotic, i said that because you insulted the south, my great, great uncle was killed in the vosgues mts. in france in ww2, my family has been in this country since 1735, god bless the northern and southern states, the west was unfairly taken from mexico
johncashrocks221 7 months ago
@johncashrocks221 GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND NEVER LET THE ONES WHO DIED BE FORGOTTEN
MrFataja 7 months ago
@MrFataja AMEN!!!
johncashrocks221 7 months ago
how does it make everyone feel knowing that there were black slave owners and black confederate soldiers who joined the army on the own accord?
also: the war was not started as a war over slavery, but over economic domination. it wasn't about the blacks until january of 1863 (the war had been going for a couple of years).
notamexican91 9 months ago
very good version....if a person did not grow up in the South they dont have a clue
3654michael 9 months ago
@ctminarchist dude i just DIG THE SOUUUND
shrumzno1 10 months ago
one question: why is this song alwas so goddamn slow!? i have looked everywhere after it in regular rythm and good quality but i cant find it!
UlfTheLord 1 year ago
@ctminarchist You have no idea what your talking about. Please stop giving incorrect symbolism to the southern flag. Just cause hate groups use it for that reason doesn't make it so. My Great, great, grandfather fought under that flag and he did not own one slave. He loved his state and he fought for its freedom. Your uneducated statements make you look stupid. A feeble attempt to make the leftist revisionist history truth when it was actual just feel good propaganda.
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
@LeftPolitiko Hmm.... why do you fuckers always forget about the white slaves? To ya'll all slaves are black but thats only cause it fits your political aims. Truth is there were white slaves also. At one point 1/2 of all whites in the states were brought as slaves. Many from England, Scotland and Ireland. They got the do things like work in coal mines and shit like that were alot died due to substandard working conditions. Whites slaves were Americas first slaves. Get your facts right moron!
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coldsteel122 1 year ago
Look, the whole war wasn't over slavery. That was only a very, very small part of it. It was about State's rights. Because the North won, Sherman was counted as a hero. In fact, he was a villian. He burned and salted the fields on his march to the sea. Salt makes the ground unable to grow for many, many years. Yet, he was rewarded. Had the South won, he would have been hanged for the injustices he did to the Southen People
Estelle5388 1 year ago
Damned fine song.
I don't care much for the specifics of the americas, but the sentiment resonates with me nonetheless. Stick it to the oppressors!
Slampropp 1 year ago
@LeftPolitiko You tell that Yankees were very tolerating toward negroes in that time?
Tovarits 1 year ago
Now it's the time for the South to raise again, now that the carpetbagger banana communist Republic is about to fall!!
RonaldR2007 1 year ago
@ctminarchist
That flag doesn't really have much to do with the confederacy.
learn2history noob
zoolpigieon 1 year ago 3
@ctminarchist I want to clarify too. I never supported slavery as an institution, when I just said "I never supported slavery, except when I supported statism" I equate slavery with statism now. And to my knowledge I dont use the confederate flag in any of my videos. I use one with color variations I think.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@ctminarchist I never supported slavery, except when I supported statism.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago 22
@LeftPolitiko That's fine as long as you admit that the North was not fighting for anybody's freedom. There were two kinds of white Americans in those days, both North and South: racists, and those who were complicit in racism.
jeffhegarty 1 year ago
Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. They were slaves for life. The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master's silver and china and then taking their place in high society, were a minuscule fraction of the hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
@Southernsoldier83 The war was about states rights. Slavery was not racist. There were white slaves too! Precentage wise Free Black owned slaves more often then Free Whites. So it is not about color! Please stop trying to shove that bullshit down people throats. ITS BULLSHIT!!!!!
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
@Southernsoldier83 Oh and the first part was from a book by a guy named Michael A. Hoffman II
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
The "snake in the grass" flag was and is the first American flag and it, unlike the many others of the time, has never been "DX'st". In other words, the old snake in the grass is still the only "other" American flag. Look it up, don't depend on me but learn... Anyway, It's a rebel flag (revolution war) but not a southern rebel flag and in so being it's not right for the song. I fly one always.... just cause I'm a historian and I happen to know.... "I can". Sure say's it all, eh?
USMCalways1 1 year ago 8
@LeftPolitiko Are you retarded? Only 6% of white males in the south owned slaves, while 13% of the freed blacks owned slaves.
trert1 1 year ago
@trert1 6%, and 13% are the very small minorities out of both groups. There were actually rebels against the rebels during the war! It turns out that farmers, and free slaves didn't like those elitist plantation owners either.
EmberNews 1 year ago
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geeusa777 1 year ago
Hell yeah. Secession is fundamental to individual liberty. I think the White Army was probably just as awesome as the CSA.
CapitalismIsLiberty 1 year ago
The CSA was created when several deep southern states felt that President Lincoln was a threat to the expansion and instituion of slavery. I can understand people who honour the CSA's soldiers as they had little stake in the instition but I cannot understand why some such as you would venerate a nation that declared that slavery was the the cornerstone of its nation.
The CSA may have had less goverment control of the states but blacks living in the south were under a police state like system.
LongHairedLoser 1 year ago 4
@LongHairedLoser Why is it always that slavery arguement is always about blacks? You all forget about the hundreds of thousands of white slaves that died in slavery in the U.S.? Oh wait, it doesn't fit your highly uneducated political arguement. I am sorry if I threw a wrench in your stupid arguement and attempt to make southerns look bad when it was the whole country that had the problem.
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
White slavery took place in the 13 colonies and lasted until you payed off depts.. The American south and the Confederate States of America had their economic and social systems based around negro slavery.
LongHairedLoser 1 year ago
@LongHairedLoser Yeah paid what you owe eh? Is that why so many died in slavery. The system was established to keep people in slavery. Every dollar you made was taken as soon as you made it to cover your room board and meals. There was no paying off what you owe. There were white slave even after the 13 colonies. They were not on plantations. They were put in dangerous jobs such as coal mines and other jobs of the hard labor nature.
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
All of this still has no bearing on the Confederate States of America being founded to preserve slavery.
Slavery regardless of race is tragic.
LongHairedLoser 1 year ago
@LongHairedLoser It was established for states rights. Not slavery. Old Abe made it about slavery near the end of the war so he could feel justified in his war crimes!
Southernsoldier83 11 months ago
Read southern newspapers of the time, political speeches and the succesion documents of the southern states. Their main concern was slavery.
LongHairedLoser 11 months ago
@LongHairedLoser Dear Sir, the southern part of the country was not the only slave holders. In the northern part of the country there where slave owners as well, they just called it indentured servitude. As to slavery being the main reason for the southern states to secede from the union, this is pure hog wash. The constitution clearly states why, when and how a state can secede, for example, in the war of 1812 the state of new jersey and Maryland temporaly seceded from the union.
rcrockettiii 11 months ago
@LongHairedLoser My Political Science professor helped us understand this overstated logical fallacy.
Replace every mention of "slavery" in those documents and speeches with "the side of our toast that we apply butter to", and it effectively allows you to read more into them. The institution of slavery was absolutely not the reason for the war. It was just a nice placeholder.
ParadigmShiftr 5 months ago
So when CSA VP Alexander Stephens said it was the cornerstone of the Confederate nation he was lying? So the CSA constitution really wasn't about protecting slavery when it shamelessly copied the US constitution and added in clauses protecting slaveholders and their 'property' it really wasn't the main reason. When the succession decelerations of deep southern states said that slavery was the main cause they were making stuff up.
Slavery was the main cause of the civil war.
LongHairedLoser 5 months ago
@LongHairedLoser No. It was not a cause of the war. The South's protection of the institution of slavery was a cause for the secession, but not the war. They had every intention of leaving peacefully.
ParadigmShiftr 5 months ago
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@LongHairedLoser No. It was not a cause of the war. The South's protection of the institution of slavery was a cause for the secession, but not the war. They had every intention of leaving peacefully.
ParadigmShiftr 5 months ago
@LongHairedLoser The protecttion of slavery was a point which got political support due to the influence of the wealthy plantation owners and their money.
However the vast majority of southerners did not own slaves nor did they support its institution. They did however oppose the Federal governments economic policies such as tariffs on British goods which favored northern industries at the expense of southern consumers. Slavery drove down the wages of poor whites, they had no love for it.
kubaniski 2 months ago
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16th ammendment.. fuck'm if they can't see beyond that...
theDukeOfEmerald 1 year ago
@LeftPolitiko
Well it is true slavery, mostly the issue of the expansion of slavery into the Western terr. and how it would affect the rep of slave and free states played a major part in why the South seceded. Many neo confederates lie and say slavery had nothing to do with it. However, it is important to note that Lincoln's main concern was the collection of the tariff and keeping the Union together above ending slavery.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
Also, white southerners were denied the ability to vote for awhile in the South while blacks could vote which helped lead to racial tensions that happened later (not to say I agree with the later actions of the whites pre Reconstruction). Just to Erik's defense I don't think he is a "racist". That is me remember :). Take care man and come on skype.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@LeftPolitiko I defend the right for anyone to have secession. If you intend to connect support for the ability to secede from political unions = automatic support for slavery then you're more of an idiot then you are. And "citizenship" oh how thoughtful. We all get to have it from the wonderful state, how kind of them. Blacks went from a more obvious form of slavery to a more subtle one, of which we are all now a part of. But honestly I hate you, I don't care, and I'm ok with that. Bubeyeee
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago 8
Bullshit, now that the commie cock-sucker Obama is in the White House, we are all living under Communism
djflargo 1 year ago
no we are not. that shows your ignorance bro. i have been to communist countries and socialist countries, we are faaaar from it. far.
scienceatheism 1 year ago
@djflargo lol im not a communist... but america is NOT communist
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage No state in America is remotely close to Communism in any way shape or form
Potts132 1 year ago
Rebels got they asses whupped.
cheapcape 1 year ago
do you know your history? dude the south put up a pretty good fight. they whooped the shit out of the union in the beginning, it was just key battles that the union won that the south just couldnt recover from.
scienceatheism 1 year ago
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I was born in the south and have lived the struggle, I see first hand how our dear Mr. Lincoln turned this great nation into his personal experiment. he cost millions of AMERICANS their livelyhoods in the name of a vote. We died in the fields and in the streams fighting for our lives and a way of survival. Our families lost everything and then had to succumb to further embarrasment when they made us give them reperations.......
stansr001 1 year ago
I was born in the south and have lived the struggle, I see first hand how our dear Mr. Lincoln turned this great nation into his personal experiment. he cost millions of AMERICANS their livelyhoods in the name of a vote. We died in the fields and in the streams fighting for our lives and a way of survival. Our families lost everything and then had to succumb to further embarrasment when they made us give them reperations.......
stansr001 1 year ago
@MessengernothMessage Southerners were fighting for the same thing the Americans who formed our country were fighting Britain for. Self determination.
1Atomtan 1 year ago
what is sioux?
Vegeta10000 1 year ago
@Vegeta10000 A tribe of Indians in the United States. A great people who waged war against the U.S. military and brought about Custers end.
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
@Southernsoldier83 thanks, cluster wasn´t a colonel of the us army that went with a smal army to destroy the sioux ?
Vegeta10000 1 year ago
@Vegeta10000 Same man and his army was killed down to the last man.
Southernsoldier83 1 year ago
@Southernsoldier83 well good for the sioux is they culture still exists?
Vegeta10000 1 year ago
oh my goodness! I can't believe this song still exists! I thought I wouldn't be able to find it. I'm actually a little surprised it hasen't gotten banned and expelled from the US yet. lol it's so funny!
hananddeb91 1 year ago
i wonder what the usa would of been like if the south won i wish they did im from the north yes but i would of supported the south they will rise again
kaleblang 1 year ago
I shed a tear for righteous Dixie and her trampled people. May she win the freedom from Federal tyranny she is destined for. Arizona stands with you till death oh glorious bars and stars! Up with the Holy Cross!
AllahConsciousness 1 year ago
SittingMooseShaman 1 year ago
Bastards stole our propertah!
petebondurant58 1 year ago
Well you told me.
It seems your politics are know only to you, or you would have told me what you are instead of are not.
The song says you hate America, I presume it speaks for you.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy I despise politics. And there is a difference between hating the people and hating the American state, and conflating the two is irrational.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Is there a one word definition for your political views or am I just supposed to beg for an explaination?
It is irrational to hate the American state unless you have evidence it is acting with mallice. Do you have evidence that it is acting with malice.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Im an anti-statist. I am opposed to all states because I believe they are inconsistent with a majority or peoples views on ownership, property and the initiation of force. States are coercive monopolies on violence and other services and do not acquire land and other resources that you or I would deem to be "legal" or legitimate. States are also responsible for the most unnatural deaths in history and to this day.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Well the Confederacy was a state that practiced slavery. So why you pick a song and the Confederate cause as a statement of your view baffles me.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy I know that. While the South had a state, some of the ideals it fought for, one primarily being secession and self determination are the ideals I share. While I would be against any state I find the South to be the least bad side in the war and with the song its very anti-authority and sums up my views of the american state as well. Im also Southron by heritage so I enjoy the music.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
How does slavery fit in with that view?
Did you ever here of George Fitzhugh?
He was guiding light for the Confederacy. He did not share your view.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Did I say I was defending slavery? I said some ideals.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
How can you associate with the Confederacy and think you are not associating with slavery?
On another topic is there a country in the world that has a government you like?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy I said I held some of the ideals the Confederacy fought for. Your putting words in my mouth. Im anti-state and I said I would be opposed to the Confederate state. Im also against slavery, I think with the anti-state position thats pretty obvious. No, the world is covered with states of all forms. Hence the reason they prevent secession as it compromises the states power and "legitimacy", and flying spaghetti monster forbid we succeed where the state fails.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
1. You chose this song to express your ideas even though this song differs from your ideas in two respects, you don't support salvery and you recognize that the Confederacy was just another state. Right?
2. There is no model for your politics. There is no place or nation that does "goverment" the way you want it done. Right?
If I got both of those things right then how does associating with the confederacy help you communicate your ideas?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy On your first point, yes pretty much. On two, no nation currently does it, though there have been past examples. Ireland for 1000 years, among other examples, was governed by the tuaths which is a precursor to basically what I would be for. On your third question, for most people who have looked into the history of the war they would hold the same position I would. The South was the least bad of the sides and I personally am Southron by heritage. Also the song speaks a lot of
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Ireland is your model, Ireland?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Not the only example of a stateless society. But Ireland from around 650CE to 1650 CE.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
You are serious. You want to trade the system of government that the USA has for the system of government/non-government that Ireland had in the dark ages.
That's enough for me. As far I can tell your brain is beyond redemption and I recommend they pull the plug.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Well thats because you haven't looked into the topic or the subject material and are a biased douche who has a closed mind to the status quo. I have pity on you. But anyway, did I say the same thing? No. The basis of the tuath system of voluntary governments is a good model to bases a stateless society off of.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Correct me if I am wrong but Ireland was taken over by the English, wasn't it. What protects states without a government/military from state with a government/military?
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Yes it was, over time, eventually by Oliver Cromwell. Google "stateless Ireland" and the first page is pretty much what you're looking for. I and others have short videos on stateless defense. But if you want to look into it and the info behind it, you're going to have to read a bit.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
No, not interested. If you think the Confederacy was a positive step in the evolution of government then I have no desire to imitate your reasoning, and I have no reason to believe your model has anything to offer.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy Yea I figured you wouldn't be, because that would involve questioning ones conditioned belief structure and expanding ones horizons intellectually. But when did I ever say it was a positive step? Once again you're pulling shit out of your ass and its no surprising me in the slightest.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Please explain to me what the Confederacy means to you and why you chose to glorify it in song.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy The Confederacy was a state and I do not support states or statism. The South was the least bad of the two sides and of the ideals it fought for, some of those I share. Namely secession and self determination being the major ones. I also adopted the song because I share its sentiments and now apply its lyrics to my present day struggle against statism. I do also have Southron heritage and enjoy aspects of Southron culture.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
I despise our government, our flag, it's bloody heritage and what it did to my ancestors. I don't support slavery, but there were slaves under the American flag longer than the Southern flag and your average southerner didn't own them. Those fought because they were invaded. Like most wars, started by rich folk on both sides in an attempt to insure one group kept it's wealth and gained more. American liberty died with the North's victory.
1Atomtan 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Slavery was wrong,, but ultimately...the southerners who fought in that war, fought for self determination and freedom and the rights of their sovereign states to make decisions for themselves. What you got afterward was pretty much an oligarchy run for the benefit of a few who promoted uber jingoistic style patriotism and love of government and imperialism. As soon as the supposed Northern heroes suppedly freed the slaves...they went on to wipe out Native Americans.
1Atomtan 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy
Stateless Ireland did fall, as all societies eventually do. But it lasted 1000 years, which is much more than most other societies.
MigDanskeren 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Please tell me who would defend you against "states" if you didn't have a "state?"
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy (cont) disdain and contempt for the US state and that I like, but thats my subjective opinion. And people would defend against a state. I have a bunch of channels displayed on my channel and I and others talk about all aspects of a stateless society.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy BECAUSE THE SOUTH WASN'T ABOUT SLAVERY for fucks sakes man, learn your fucking history and you'd know that only like 5% of the south even OWNED slaves, and only a fraction of that treated their slaves like you've read in your 5th grade history books.
DevilKadams 1 year ago
More Tea Party racism.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy More just another liberal BS. Im not a conservative, a republican, racist or even a theist and if you actually knew something you would know what the flag shown is. Go educate yourself.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Awesome! I've been looking for the bobby horton version of this song forever, you just made my day.
DevilKadams 1 year ago
@DevilKadams glad i could help, i love bobby's version, and this song :)
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
i fucking love this song
darklord220 1 year ago
the south will rise again i no id help them even tho i live in fucking iowa
kaleblang 1 year ago
my ancester Commander John Newland Maffitt CSN fought for his rights,his lands,his honor and the glorious Confederacy.Long live the South!!
elkridgesucks 1 year ago 2
@elkridgesucks Im not sure of the exact names, but I had some ancestors fight for Virginia in the 51st VA and I believe a few who fought for Louisiana as well. I also may be related to Gen. Ambrose Wright who fought under Gen. Pickett at Gettysburg, Either way I totally agree. Long Live the South!
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
God Bless my Southern ancestory & I refuse to be re-constructed!! Keep the South alive!!
RebelRose07
dixiechik46 2 years ago
The South was right. Git-R-Done and keep our Southern Flag flying!
USMCBAT 2 years ago
god bless my land
god bless my ancestry: Cpt Carey F Grimes Portsmouth light Artillery, CSA, KIA Sharpsburg 17 Sep 1862, his brother G.W.Grimes Lt. 17th north carolina , CSA, and Cpt John Allen Lovett, CSN, served aboard the CSS Partrick Henry after resigning his comission in the USNavy.
Fought for their land, their rights, their families, their honor and the great glorious state of Virginia.
Deo Vindice!
s6u6r6f6 2 years ago 2
Fuck the north. Im half Sioux- half irish.
mmmmmarcus 2 years ago 13
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@mmmmmarcus fuck all that half shit that shits stupid
BKIzGooN 2 years ago
fuck you, you freedom-hating faggot!
mmmmmarcus 2 years ago 3
@mmmmmarcus So you're a two time loser?
blairjere1 1 year ago
@blairjere1 racist cunt.
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
@mmmmmarcus I'm just saying, half Irish and have native indian? Let me guess, your parents either met at a bar or at the welfare office. I'm surprised that you are sober enough to type.
blairjere1 1 year ago
@blairjere1 Indian? What kind of moron still calls us indians? Am I from India? Fucking retarded sheep.. Fuck, you're lucky you have vertebrae, otherwise you'd lose your own fuckin head. I'm willing to assume your stupid ass pronounces it: "vert-e-bray".. God you're such a fucking moron.
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
@mmmmmarcus Call youself what you want, you're still a useless wa-hoo drain on society. We should have killed all of you off when we had the chance. Now you cry and complain, "you stole our land" - well, you should have fought harder, pussies!
blairjere1 1 year ago 2
nice flag
IndividualAutonomy 2 years ago 12
@InTheEndIWasRight Also, it's interesting to see Southern secessionist/minarchist circles mixing with anarchist circles online more and more. Being both a Southerner and an anarchist, it's nice for me to see.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
@InTheEndIWasRight Thank you greatly Erik. I'll get on it.
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
Erik, this is a really beautiful version of this song. I've never heard this version before. Could you direct me to the source or artist?
DissidentDescendant 2 years ago
The civil war can be viewed in a variety of ways - the South was largely agrarian and used slaves in its economy for this purpose. The North was more industrialised and used wage slavery in its economy. The fight was not about slavery but which form of slavery.
johncrwarner 2 years ago
Erik, you should do a video about the Civil War.
jimbobubbadj 2 years ago 3
You guys can ponder all you want. Slaves/Negroes/humans where much better off after the civil war than they where before it. Well id also say that before the civil war that they where better off without all his shit, before they where enslaved.
evam117 2 years ago
Nice flag.
IndividualAutonomy 2 years ago 2
Well, from my understanding it IS bullshit. Lincoln did not agree that Negroes were equal to Whites but needed their support in the war against the South. From what I understand, Lincoln only agreed to free Negro slaves in those States that fought against the Union. Any State that agreed to stay in the Union could keep their slaves. I understand that Lincoln's main(only) concern was keeping the Union of States together and he couldn't really care less about slavery.
1140Cecile 2 years ago
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are you really referring to Blacks as "negroes" in the year 2010?
techjunkie92 2 years ago
Yes, when I'm talking in historical terms I use historical language. If I was talking about how European invaders of North America referred to the Inuit people I would be using the term "Eskimo" as the term that was used. But it seems that nobody who WE might call an eskimo would call themselves by that name. It's apparent that the name "Eskimo" was a term invented by others, meaning either "enemy", "raw meat eater" or "the people who speak a different language".
Just talking history.
1140Cecile 2 years ago 5
Ok, gotcha. I don't use that term to refer to a people because of its historically derogatory and offensive connotations. But if you were using it because that's how Blacks were referred to historically, I don't see a big issue with that.
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ColdFusionFury 2 years ago
I don't know what french culture is like, but in the U.S. it would be highly offensive to refer to a Black person as a negro. It has been used historically as a derogatory term and is extremely insulting to Blacks.
Right, white is no big deal, just as black is no big deal. I see no problem with calling Blacks Blacks (rather than African American). Negro is not the equivalent of White though. Black is. Negro is an offensive term.
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ColdFusionFury 2 years ago
Weren't the Irish big in New York as well, or was that later on? The Scots were largely responsible for populating our Maritime provinces in Eastern Canada and it was quite an extensive negotiation process before they agreed to join into the country of Canada. The Irish/Scots have a reputation for having some sort of uber-pride, perhaps an idea of racial superiority, perhaps not. My experience is that the're usually certain and unapologetic about their opinions.
1140Cecile 2 years ago
My family fought for the Confederacy and I'm proud of it.
I'm a proud Southern boy!
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GloomMaven78 2 years ago
The song certainly issues clarity about some Southerner's hatred for the "Yankees" of the North. As a Canadian, I've often wondered about your country's N/S divide prior to the civil war. For example, I can't find out what nations of origin were the majority in the N. and S. Were there earlier, European, rivalries that began your separation? What is the origin of what seems to be a Southern/Central conservative perspective from the Northern/Coastal liberal perspective?
1140Cecile 2 years ago
Name of the song? :)
ChristianScherwin 2 years ago
I'm a southern boy, born and bred.
AND proud of it.
gablober 2 years ago 5
I grew up on ballads of my own countries fight for freedom.. great song
FacedPalmedPlanet 2 years ago