watch my testimony, just search michael oxley to find out how Jesus took me from drugs, gambling and living on the streets to being baptized into the Seventh-Day Adventist church. praise God
Imax1971 Fellow Christians, test the spirit of this pastor, thru his words!!! Research & even find fault if you like... If its necessary to satisfy yourselves... Post it here... I will be waiting for it. This pastor is also challenging you to test or compare DEEPER your belief system to his.... Matthew 13:3-17.... It's a parable from Jesus... Know where do you STAND.... Godbless. Amen
Also, IMAX, she clearly states that she did not quote the original author for the sole reason that she wanted the reader to stay focused on the content and not the author. Let me, also, draw your attention to the fact that Christ, when preaching, quoted many an Old Testament writer without giving credit to the author. Does this make Him a plagarist, too? Not at all!
@imax1971 "An SDA member comparing Ellen to Jesus Christ.."
You seem to have a penchant for twisting words around. "By their fruits you shall know them." You certainly show yours.
So as to clarify; I do not compare Ellen White, nor anyone else, for that matter, to Christ. Secondly, while Christ is soon to return, you would do well to focus on that fact and stop trying to discredit the means by which God has chosen to reveal himself, whether you believe or not. Have a good day.
Yes, she did and she did not hide this fact. She clearly, and so do the publishers of her work, state that she took information from other authors of her time and used their material to clarify or highlight what she was trying to convey. This was very common in her day and she was not the only one who did this. As stated before, copyright laws were not in effect in her day so she did not, in the legal sense plagiarize anything.
According to Ellen G White and SDA, does a person have to keep the Law and 10 Commandments to avoid getting the Mark of the Beast and to avoid getting the final plagues and to inherit eternal life and to be accepted by God and saved?
If no, then does that mean a person who breaks the Law and 10 Commandments can avoid getting the Mark of the Beast and can still be saved?
If no, then do you admit that you are lost until the day you can perfectly keep the 10 Commandments?
He said he went to military schools, Catholic schools and Jewish schools..... He also said he lived in a cave.... Wow! He has an audience! Welcome to the SDA...
@imax1971 This was done in the middle or his prophecy series. He had an audience way before he said all of that stuff. I don't find it that hard to believe his story. You'd only have trouble believing it if you had an initial bias towards the man or his denomination.
The fact that anyone believed that this man lived in a cave is sad.... What's really sad is that they also believe that this cave had a previous occupant that left a bible... This guy is a snake oil salesman....
@imax1971 You don't think he's telling the truth? If you watch the whole thing it shows pictures of him outside his cave and I think it has some of inside it...not sure but I think it does.
This is a very touching testimony. Doesn't matter if you believe what the guy teaches of not. This isn't about that. This is talking about how the grace of Jesus changed his life so why can't we all say Amen? The guy isn't a snake oil salesman, he's a spirit-filled preacher.
@GamerDude573 The SDA published "their" version of the bible called the "Clear word Bible".... It is as phony as Batchelor is... Sorry, he is a snake oil salesmen.... The SDA was founded by a Plagiarist and a lunatic, Ellen White.... The fact that you believe this man lived in a cave where he found a Bible is pretty sad.. Pathetic, actually...
@imax1971 The Clear Word isn't the SDA Bible. Sure it was written by an Adventist, but on the front cover it clearly states that it is a paraphrased version of the bible like the Living Bible or the Message Bible. We don't even use it in church at all. We use either the NIV or NKJV mainly.
@GamerDude573 I said the founder of your religion was a lunatic and plagiarist... Funny how you didn't respond to that... As far as the Clear Word Bible is concerned, you have no problem with a paraphrased version of the Holy Bible??? Are you kidding me???
@imax1971 Sorry, I forgot to address that part. All I'm going to say is that you should judge someone based on the bible not based on what other people have said about them. People can be biased, but the bible is never biased.
I rarely use The Clear Word. It's supposed to be used as a devotional bible; we never use it in church - we use the NKJV or NIV usually. Do you have a problem with using the living/message bible etc.? We never use TCW as a substitute to the other versions.
@GamerDude573 Hey listen. I apologize for being mean. I hope you accept my apology. We believe what we believe. Although our religions have differences, we both agree that Jesus is our savior. I wish you the best. Peace.
White was neither a plagiarist nor lunatic. It was customary during her time to quote other writers material without giving credit to the original author. This was common practice and is easily verified by doing a bit of historical research into what was customary during her day. Also, copyright laws were not in effect at that time. Her physical state during those visions were well recorded by many a prominent physician. Again, a bit of historical research will dispel any doubt.
White was neither a plagiarist nor lunatic. It was customary during her time to quote other writers material without giving credit to the original author. This was common practice and is easily verified by doing a bit of historical research into what was customary during her day. Also, copyright laws were not in effect at that time. Her physical state during those visions were well recorded by many a prominent physician. Again, a bit of historical research will dispel any doubt.
Claims can be made to defend or condemn Doug's words. But one thing you cannot deny is his personal encounter with the Lord. My experience was similar and like him I can attest that the Lord is real and that He pleads with us to come to Him for freedom from the sin that ensnares us. Don't over estimate the power of your mind and its rationality, remember that Lucifer was created intellectually superior to the brightest of us and his thoughts still led him astray. Trust God and His proven Word.
@BibleJesusChristian You didn't ask if he was a sinner. You asked if he 'kept' the 10 Commandments.
Quite haughty for a professed BibleJesusChristian. The 'gotchya' questions; demonizing; hatefullness, misleading, misquoting & then attempting to judge via a few pixels here & there.
I believe in the 10 ORIGINAL Commandments and ATTEMPT to keep them, however, fall short, often.
@BibleJesusChristian Please, provide a link to the video in Pastor Batchelors own words.
I've listened to majority of his videos; most of his Sabbath School classes, every week; and read many of his books. What you claim is either taken out of context &/or completely misquoted.
You remind me of a very angry Baptist minister, here, that thrives on arguing the Bible & hating any Christian of other faiths. Sad!
@BibleJesusChristian No cult -- as proven by my former Baptist Minister husband - for whom has witnessed first hand, due to his own questioning from what he was "taught" at Temple... that SDA were a cult. He has found the direct opposite. The Waco bunch were a cult... and believed opposite of most of our teachings... with additional false teachings. 2nd - In no way would I judge you... but your own words of misinformation & false accusations you seem to enjoy spreading. Why are you so angry?
@BibleJesusChristian Bottom line -- each individual is judged by God & God alone. He judges each of our hearts and by the KNOWLEDGE each has acquired. A new believer is not less a Christian, nor less likely to be saved than a biblical scholar. Why do you hate, so much?
Not everyone in the SDA church will be saved if that's what you are implying. But I believe Jesus is going to save his people and anoint them with wisdom so they come to realize sunday is the man made day, not God's weekly Sabbath day.
To answer your question further i believe Christian who are sincere and worship on Sunday may be saved if they don't know better. But I'd rather be on the safe side and worship on Saturday cause it is truly the Lord's day. Faith and Grace don't erase the Law. If your speeding on a highway and a cop stops you but doesnt give you a ticket that's what grace is like. But it doesn't mean the law has changed and you can keep going 90 miles an hour.
@BibleJesusChristian You are aware that there have been Sunday Laws in many states and countries for decades, but they have not been enforced, But recently there have been moves in Europe to mandate Sunday as an official worship day with no work or shopping. Also many right wing christian groups in America are for mandating Sunday Law. This is all fact not fiction,not 1984,or EGW gobbly gook as you might think. I've seen it on PBS news and read articles online. Our freedoms are slowly eroding.
@BibleJesusChristian EG White is a religious writer. She is not the bible. However i have never heard her contradict the bible. She is simply saying that Because Jesus dies for our sins his blood cleanses us and makes us pure from all sins. And that those sins of the saints are gong to be attributed to Satan and he will be destroyed by Christ. How is that blasphemy??? It follows the same history and archetype Jesus is the innocent lamb and Satan is the goat!
@HarlanLovestone Satan does not have to burn for every person he can get to die in sin. They will burn for those sin and satan does not have to suffer for them, but satan has to burn for every saint that repents and chooses Christ..
we should be going to church for God and nothing else. I believe saturday is the sabbath and that the original ten commandments are still in place today for God to judge people by. He will not hold it against those that did not know any better though, God looks on the heart and has people in many denominations, the bible does say that everyone will worship in end times, like cain and abel a right way and a wrong. good or bad preacher we will know the truth by testing it from the bible.
@Mr28chance God judges people based on what they know. If you know that Saturday is the sabbath but still choose to worship on Sunday that does not please God.
@HarlanLovestone depends on the extreme your asking the question, we should worship everyday. but the whole no work, go to church and focus on getting to know God better and spend the day contemplating Him and His works, it's saturday.creation week coming to a close-genesis 2:2,3- seventh day god rested from His work...3- And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made...the rest on that day made it special
@Mr28chance so God put his blessing on that day and made it a sign that he is the creator, us working six days and resting the seventh is a sign to him of the belief in that and its the only commandment that begins with remember, yet people say its ok to change or forget, I respectfully disagree with that. I am always happy to talk about God any questions you have I would love to try and answer if it is something i've studied pretty well or will study it to try and help.
@HarlanLovestone i'm sorry were you asking a question? or stating that not keeping the sabbath for someone who knows better isn't pleasing God> that Iknow, I am a sabbath keeper, I in my original comment was making it a point to tell of God's goodness and that He will not hold that against believers who do not know better, God has people in lots of churches and all do not keep the seventh day, but don't know to do so. it is the rejection of the truth that displeases God.
@Serafinos you seem to have your hands full here, God bless. i'll be praying for you and the others who have commented. don't let the accusations get to you or cause anger in you. they are just words and blessed are those who are persecuted in Jesus name. sda or not, the sabbath is the 4th comandment and should be taught as such..keep it up. I would recommend you ask those who question that to give you scripture stating that. grace doesn't allow sin, romans5:19-6:6,3:28-31,james2:10,14-26. AMEN
@Mr28chance LOL My hubby tried that route - Sunday vs Sabbath... when asked to show any scripture that proved GOD threw out the 10 Commandments, especially the 4th, but including the 1st, which was totally removed by Papacy .... he came up with the one he was taught in Theology class at Temple Univ. Where the Disciples went to visit someone on Sunday. Otherwise, he found none. Now baptized SDA... but does struggle with Daniel/Revelation... but don't we all.:) He truly enjoys Doug Batchelors
@Serafinos I began watching pastor batchelor and love his ministry. amazing facts website has a streaming channel of mostyl him as well as archives of alot of his stuff. I watch at 9:30 p.m. my time for pastor stephen bohr, if you have not heard him try it out. there are some videos here on you tube. he is on a whole different level, very in depth studies and lots of scriptures in it. he is my new favorite, thank you for sharing the story, always good to hear of the Lord drawing people closer.
@Mr28chance Agree! Nice meeting you. Christ has had His hands full with me thru life. Dougs abillity to bring scripture to life & understanding was none other than God sent. So grateful he serves the Lord during my lifetime. :)
@Serafinos pastor bohr is also sda and he studied theology, messages are very inspired, have your bible handy and be prepared to learn things that you didn't even expect. you won't be sorry and given his theology background your husband should enjoy also. God bless. also another theology sda pastor who you may have heard of mark finley, great also. but pastor bohr is still my favorite.
i dont go to church on sunday or saturday,their will be the day their will be no tommor sunday nor saturday...same to religion as well all i have is Christ wont live me....he know how politic like religion is...
I am a young sda member...and when people attack my denomination I don't say anything because...most of the time they are Sunday worshipers and well how. Can the blind tell me am wrong??
@bigblueunited9 you wont be blind as long you have faith....dont depend from other thoughts....who is right or wrong..it is really disappointing...religion can make you astray
@bigblueunited9 if you have faith their is hope...former SDA i still respect them...but i dont like their teaching anymore....their will be a time you will see what SDA is really is....
you know what the number one selling magazines are in north america,is not the bible...its the supermarket tabloid magazines...hahahaha dough is misleading you..
you know what the number one selling magazines are in north america,is not the bible...is the supermarket tabloid magazines...hahahaha dough is misleading you..shut up dough you even read those things..
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me,
He represented for me. I am accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son By the merits of Christ we are looked upon. If we hold to him by faith we are held as spotless as His Son
We all have fallen short of the glory of God, for there is 1 that God gave all power & authority to, 1 that is glorified
Christ died out side of us, it is reckoned! Our salvation is in Heaven. That is why we can not loose it! As long 1 keeps his eye on Christ
Our Lord, our God, our King came to serve us, died 4 us, so we could have life ALL GLORY TO OUR LORD! Christ is what love is We are not good enough to wash His feet, yet He washed ours!
Christ became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
He was treated as I deserve so I can be treated as He deserves
In my place He stood sealed me with His blood
Barabbas, ur 2nd name & mine, condemned to death, a very bad man Nothing he could do & Jesus takes his place. Friends we are Barabbas, Jesus has taken our place
He was flogged & by His stripes our wounds would be healed
@AspiringPotato My theory on cavemen is that they were mentally ill or deformed and cast out by normal society or a primitive tribe of people who lived among themselves and became extinct like the Mayans. How often over the past 2 centuries have explorers and scientist ran into strange savage tribes attempting to communicate with and/and or civilize them. I believe that's all cavemen were.
So what you are saying is that you make up your own theories without consulting anthropologists, archeologists, or any other scientists, because you are desperate to believe that the world is 6000 years old?
Ask an SDA if they are saved by grace alone and they nod their head. But ask them if they are certain that they are saved and if they can be saved if they ceased Sabbath works,and this is what you get:
1. "Hmm not sure".
2. "I don't think so, shrug"
3. "I am working on it"
4. "I need to clean myself up first"
5. "There are a few sins I need to gain victory over first".
Can you see it? Adventists give lip service about salvation by grace alone, but they really rely on works to be saved!!!
@FatTonyAU Will answer my understanding of it... if that helps.
I am not ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED! I cannot wake up one day, have a hallelujah moment, walk out the door "saved" and run down to local sin-dens and live a party life like there's no tomorrow & expect to be walking the path God planned. NO. Am I Baptised? Yes! Does that mean a free ticket to heaven? NO!
Am I striving everyday to follow Christs example? Yes! Am I forgiven for faultering along the way? YES!
@FatTonyAU... (Rev 22:14 KJV) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Pretty simple. It would mean Gods 10 Commandments & not the 10 which the first commandment was totally removed; 2nd split into 1st & 2nd; and 4th cut down from Remember the 7th day to keep it holy... etc -- downsized only to read "Remember the Lords Day". In Daniel it warns "They think they can change the times & the Laws"
The first day of the week is only mentioned 8 times in the bible and not once was it given by god the father , Jesus or even the disciples as a new day of worhship , give an example , when it says that the disciples were gathered in the upper room on the first day of the week with the windows shut , it wasnt a worship service , it says they were gathered there for fear of the jews. Thomas wasn't with them at the time and he didn't believe christ was ressureted till 3 days later when he saw him.
My questions First did god in Genesis not sanctify and hallow the Sabbath , Second through out the entire bible that Sabbath has been kept not just by the jews but by gentiles as well , and third IF the sabbath was given only to the jews then I am still obeying the Sabbath because we are told that through baptism and accepting christ we are graphted into the vine of spiritual Israel , simply because we believe what the jews did not accept , which was Jesus Christ.
And one other thing Adventist or atleast the ones that believe in the truth and live it , we don't step on and down trod on other faiths , so Why do people want to do it to us , and prophecy show that it isn' Catholic people who are the anti christ but the Hiarchy of the Catholic church , I find it funny how people make such strong comments without researching the bible with our own worlds history to come to an understanding of the truth.
@Graukna86 The Catholic Church is her people. Your Church bears false witness. It breaths fire against the body of Christ. If what the SDA church teaches is true, then there are a lot of people in danger of losing their salvation... if it is false... well, God help you. This "tradition" that the SDA church as well as other Protestant groups have of calling the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon or the Pope the AntiChrist, is a tradition of man... Made up in the mind of Martin Luther.
You don't keep the law to be saved , you keep the commandments to be saved , didn't Jesus say " If you love me keep my commandments " also he said I came not to destroy the law but to fullfill , the word fullfill surely doesn't mean the same as destroy or christ contradicts himself. Also Revelation say " The dragon was wrath with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed those that " KEPT " the commandments of god and had the faith of Jesus!
Ok if your caught speeding and the officer lets you go he turns you lose on faith that you won't do it again , but it was his defining grace that sved you from the ticket he could have wrote , does that mean when he turns you lose you can peal out and still break the traffic laws? No, of course not , saved by grace through faith works , So if this is the case , how much more important are god's laws then mens?
@PhillyCheez701 I have a few questions, don't sidestep and evade them!
1. If you stopped attending Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved by grace and faith alone in the end times and still avoid the Mark of the Beast? Y/N?
2. If you stopped tithing, can you still be saved by grace and faith alone? Y/N?
3. If you answered No to question 1. and 2., then do you admit you are not saved by grace and faith ALONE? Y/n?
@FatTonyAU Scripture teaches that we study the Bible precept upon precept & scripture upon scripture.
"Come, let us REASON together." Come before Him with humbled & contrite hearts seeking TRUTH... not to put others down.
Several posts appear to have attempted in answering your questions... but also request studying further, on your own, from the Word, in order to allow truth spoken from scripture to bear it's own Witness. It's the only way my husband & I study, including along side EGW.
2. What does a person need to do once they have been justified and saved to remain justified and saved?
3. What can happen for a person to lose their justification and salvation and how can the person be justified and saved again?
4. If you stop attending Church on Sabbath, and instead attend Church on Sundays, will you be lost, rejected by God and receive the Mark of the Beast and final plagues? Yes or No?
I have seen and heard Doug Batchelor with my own ears say that at a future date, Jesus will say the words, "IT IS FINISHED".
At that exact moment I realised I am watching and listening to a false and lying teacher who contradicts Jesus, because 2000 years ago, John 19:30, Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED", yet Doug lied and contradicted Jesus because he would rather say something that is not true so he can? support EGW and her teachings.
Doug is a liar and false teacher and contradicts Jesus!
As for the sabbath keeping, Adventists are deceived into thinking they are the only Christian denomination who attend Church on Sabbath. But that is a LIE! There are now over 550 different Christian Denominations who also keep Sabbath day Holy.
the-ten-commandments. org/sabbathkeepingchurches. html
The SDA is in Babylon, like the Pharisee's were. Praise Jesus I left this dangerous and deceptive cult. The more I studied what EGW wrote, the more horrified I became in her false teachings!
I have seen and heard Doug Batchelor with my own ears say that at a future date, Jesus will say the words, "IT IS FINISHED".
At that exact moment I realised I am watching and listening to a false and lying teacher who contradicts Jesus, because 2000 years ago, John 19:30, Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED", yet Doug lied and contradicted Jesus because he would rather say something that is not true so he can support EGW and her teachings.
Doug is a liar and false teacher and contradicts Jesus!
Too bad that the SDA's do not have the correct Gospel. This is their only hope. But so far they refuse to repent of their many false doctrines choosing instead to embrace myths and legions of false doctrines. If the SDA's proclaim the Gospel correctly, (If they ever do), the Reformed Sabbath will be a natural part of their Gospel proclamation. Why? Because the Sabbath is part of the Gospel teachings of Christ, but SDA/EGW turned it into a legalistic salvation requirement!
Ellen G White clearly taught that "SUNDAY LAWS" will be the MARK OF THE BEAST and all Sunday keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus will be rejected by God, lost, will receive the devastation of the final plagues and will receive the Mark of the Beast.
You have to make a decision NOW...follow EGW or Bible, because you cannot follow both as they contradict each other.
As for me, I resigned my SDA membership because I cannot believe and follow a false teacher like EGW.
@HighOnPaint Your last comments are just a bunch of Ellen G White rubbish,who was inspired by demons in what to write.EGW has misled you and deceived you,yet you are too proud and arrogant and ignorant and too uneducated in Scripture to see through and recognise her lies.
2 Thess 2:10 teaches us that only those who sincerely love the truth will be saved. And the lost will be those who hated the love of the truth. That applies to most Adventists, they hate the truth and hold onto their errors!
@HighOnPaint You can run but you cannot hide from the fact that you are following a false prophet, false teacher and demon inspired writer who has led you into believing that your Sabbath works will save you and that your works will help avoid the Mark of the Beast. It's all lies based on legalism and came from a woman who was not led by God.
After becoming an SDA and reading EGW books, I finally understood why Bible forbids women to teach on Bible matters. EGW has done a lot of damage!!
@FatTonyAU NO - EGW taught that WHEN christians have to choose between God and the Mark of the Beast that the Sunday Law will be one of the defining aspects. It is a choice between following God's or following Man (the devils) laws. This does not contradict the bible, the bible is clear on this point.
I get horrified about how you contradict the bible (Sorry that was using your words) ;)
@indimedia So if a Sunday keeping Christian who has faith in Jesus and yet doesn't begin to keep Sabbath in the end times and IF Sunday laws are introduced, (which they won't), then what EGW and you are teaching is that they will be LOST and that their faith in Jesus is not enough to save them, and that after the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast, people will begin to be saved by a gospel based on SABBATH WORKS!
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!! You are talking with a legalistic demon tongue! SNAP OUT OF IT!
@FatTonyAU I take my theology straight from the bible, that is what the bible says,. If someone sides with the devils laws at the end of time (when the time comes to decide) they WILL be lost because they have decided to throw their lot in with the devil. Its got nothing to do with works, its got to do with which side DO you chose. My question for you is: When we are asked to choose at the end of time whom we will serve, God's laws (including sabbath) or mans laws, what will you choose?
@indimedia You were just caught out lying yet again! Lie after lie! You claim you take your theology straight out of the Bible, but that is a LIE and I can prove it with a single question:
Show me where in Scripture it teaches that a Sunday Law will be enforced upon the world and where people will receive the Mark of the Beast through Sunday Laws.
If you fail to show me that doctrine in Bible, then you have once again been exposed telling LIES!!!!
@FatTonyAU I never said anything about Sabbath works - for some reason you have that in your head. I said that when people are faced with the decision to follow God's laws or mans laws your decision will determine if you are following God or not. That is what the BIBLE says, I have no reason to snap out of it. I don't have to listen to myself because I am listening to what God says.
@indimedia You are a liar and deceiver when you claim you believe you are justified and sanctified and made righteous by faith alone, and I will prove it with a single question:
If you stopped attending Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved in the end time and still avoid the mark of the beast? Yes or No?
Your answer will PROVE that you do not rely completely on faith in Jesus to save you, you also trust in your Sabbath works to save you!
@FatTonyAU Hey, Jesus is not gonna say, "You know, even if you did not keep all my Commandments, I am still gonna save you." And I have never seen any of your comments include any Bible verses. Read Exodus 20, and after this, Matthew 5:17-20. Hope this helps!
Does not the bible say that by the law shall no flesh be justified? The bible teaches that to break one, you are guilty of all. If the sabbath plays any part in the deciding factor then so does the entire law of Moses. The deciding factor is not in what day you go to church, but in who you worship, and God can be worshiped any tiem and any day. This is proven by the disciples who gathered on the first day of the week to break bread, as well as every other day of the week.
Satan won't be happy just telling people that its okay to worship Jesus, just do it on sunday. He is going to want an out and out rejection of Jesus as their messiah. For example, there are people in other countries who are thrown in jail, and on the floor is a circle with Jesus on the cross. They are allowed to go free if they cross that picture as a means of rejecting Jesus Christ.
If they try to walk around it, they are shot. Satan hates Jesus, and hates the power of his name.
If it has anything to do with sunday, you can sure bet that part of the law will be to worship the false christ in his own name. The day of sunday in and of itself is not enough and will not cause someone to receive the mark of the beast. It does not denote rejection of Jesus, for if it did than anyone, even the disciples by gathering on the first day, and every other day of the week, would have spent more time rejecting him than accepting him.
The law will never show you obedient. The more people learn of the law, the more they realize how far they've come from the presence of God, not the other way around. If people think they are becoming more and more obedient by following the law they have moved away from the true purpose of the law, which was to show you your sin and lead you to the cross of Christ.
Ellen G White was a false prophet and false teacher who wrote and taught a false gospel based on Sabbath works.
I was a member of the SDA cult for over 10 years, the more I read her books the more I got horrified at how she contradicts Jesus and Bible.
In a nutshell, she teaches that a person must become sinless before they can invite Jesus into their heart and that Christians who have faith in Jesus, yet attend Church on Sundays, are lost, due to lack of Sabbath works! She is pure evil!
@FatTonyAU Please share a reference book/page/paragraph which you find EGW teaching that a "person must become sinless before the can invite Jesus into their hearts."
Considering the fact -- she fully teaches, as scripture teaches... come as you are... sinful, broken & down trodden. She never wrote nor believed those attending church on Sundays are lost.
Perhaps actually reading her material would help. Praying for your anger.
I believed for over 10 years as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church that Satan was my scapegoat and that Jesus would put my confessed sins on Satan’s head and he would be punished and die for them because Ellen G. White said so. I made the mistake of trusting her as my authority. The result of using her as an authority "the lesser light" to the Bible, gave me a false understanding of the work of my Savior in saving me. I have since left the SDA and now Jesus is my complete Saviour.
I have a few questions for all you members of the Seventh-day Adventist Cult, and I was a member of the SDA cult for over 10 years, but I came out of Babylon and came into Jesus' righteousness.
1. Do you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment? Y/n?
2. Do you perfectly keep the 10 Commandments? Y/n?
3. Do you perfectly obey God? Y/n?
4. Do you ever sin? Y/n? If Yes, the Bible says you DISOBEY GOD AND BREAK THE LAW, 1John 3:4. Do you agree?
(Watch 'em abuse,insult me instead of answering me.)
Once the EGW "Sunday Laws" Mark of the beast is enforced in the future, what will Sunday Keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus need to do to be saved and to avoid the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast? Will they need to perform Sabbath works to be saved?
Your answer will PROVE that you teach that Sabbath works will be essential for Christians to perform in the end times to be saved and that faith in Jesus is NOT enough to save us, we also need Sabbath works! SDA IS A CULT!
@FatTonyAU Again, Romans 3:23. You seem to be confusing prophesy with practice. Ellen G. White states that a Sunday Law will pass, but she never states who will be lost and who won't be. That is God's job, not ours (please read this before responding). Now, I have a question for you. If these Sunday Laws were to pass (not saying they will, not saying they won't), forcing all to worship on Sunday, would you accept them? YES or NO.
Ellen G White clearly taught that "SUNDAY LAWS" will be the MARK OF THE BEAST and all Sunday keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus will be rejected by God, lost, will receive the devastation of the final plagues and will receive the Mark of the Beast.
You have to make a decision NOW...follow EGW or Bible, because you cannot follow both as they contradict each other.
As for me, I resigned my SDA membership because I cannot believe and follow a false teacher like EGW.
I once asked an SDA Pastor, "You were preaching about the importance of having Rev 14:12 apply to us, so I have a question for you. Do you keep God's 10 Commandments?"
To this he answered, "Yes I do". I then proceeded to put out my right hand to shake his hand and I said, "That's amazing, you are the only human in Earth's history besides Jesus Christ to be able to always keep God's 10 Commandments perfectly. So you mean you never sin?".
To this he answered, "Of course I sin!". I shook my head!
@FatTonyAU I don't understand your point. You are condemning every Adventist (including me, and others) as being "self-righteous" and hypocritical just because one pastor misspoke? I have already explained that no one has kept the Commandments. We are saved by grace, but because of grace we follow in the footsteps of God and He makes us better. I have been saying this the whole time. Please, kindly, explain to me how this is false and I will agree. I would love to see where you are coming from.
I have a few questions for all you members of the Seventh-day Adventist Cult, and I was a member of the SDA cult for over 10 years, but I came out of Babylon and came into Jesus' righteousness.
1. Do you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment? Y/n?
2. Do you perfectly keep the 10 Commandments? Y/n?
3. Do you perfectly obey God? Y/n?
4. Do you ever sin? Y/n? If Yes, the Bible says you DISOBEY GOD AND BREAK THE LAW, 1John 3:4. Do you agree?
(Watch 'em abuse,insult me instead of answering me.)
@FatTonyAU On the contrary, this appears to be what you are doing (a rude and disrespectful attitude is not ideal for someone who calls himself a Christian). I have not seen anyone "insult" you either.
@HighOnPaint Yes I would continue to worship God on Sundays, because I worship God EVERY DAY! What kind of question is that you are asking me? Are you deluded??? Are you claiming you will STOP worshiping God on Sundays? So throughout the whole day of Sundays, you will WILLFULLY deny God and REFUSE to praise God and worship God and REFUSE to meet Christians on Sundays because you are scared you will get the silly EGW "Sunday Laws Mark"? So you will lock yourself up in a room every Sunday?
@FatTonyAU I made no such assertion (please do not put words in my mouth). Saturday in itself is a day of rest. To say "I worship God every day" is a granted statement and a separate point. (Every Christian should worship God every day.) I am referring to the issue of rest. God rested on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of remembrance. Stop dancing around the issue; you know what I mean. Would you reject the Sabbath and remember Sunday instead? YES or NO.
@HighOnPaint It's obvious you are not even reading my posts! I have told you many times I am a Sabbath keeping Christian. But unlike you and Adventist cult members, I do NOT trust in the sabbath to save me. Yet the truth is you do! You trust in your Sabbath works to save you, which means you are a false teacher, Pharisee and deceived by demons and EGW had led you straight into BABYLON (Legalism).
You are lost until the day you come out of legalism and into the gift of grace!
@HighOnPaint Why would I reject the Sabbath? The Sabbath is a beautiful Holy day, set aside by God Himself.
But unlike you, I do not view my Sabbath keeping as an act of works to keep me saved! Yet the truth is you do!!! You believe you will be lost, rejected by God, and receive the final plagues of God and the Mark of the Beast (Sunday Laws), if you stopped physically walking into an SDA building on the Sabbath! You are deceived and have rejected the grace of God, Gal 5:4
@HighOnPaint I have told you, I'm a Sabbath keeping Christian. I don't believe we should willfully violate and break any of the 10 Commandments!
HOWEVER,the Law/10 Commandments cannot save us,and NOBODY keeps them perfectly,hence, James said when you stumble in just one point,you BREAK THE WHOLE LAW! So in reality,you and I are 10 Commandment and Sabbath BREAKERS!
Our only hope now is to trust in Jesus as our 100% complete Saviour! But you don't,you trust in your Sabbath works to save you!
@HighOnPaint NO!! The Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday!There is NO NEW Sabbath! The Sabbath is the same!
Yet in 1582, Pope Gregory changed the days from sundown to sundown, to midnight to midnight.
But the true Sabbath has always been from Sunday Friday to sundown Saturday. During that time we should not work,and we should fellowship,invest quality time in relationships and worship God!
But your motive for doing this is CORRUPT,cause you trust in your Sabbath works to save you!
@FatTonyAU Congratulations, you've just proved my point. You are, by definition, an Adventist. My brother, please stop wasting time attacking fellow believers and spend more time spreading the good news of the gospel; for the end is near. Happy Sabbath and may God bless you and keep you!
Revelation 12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
@HighOnPaint You are a liar and delusional! I resigned my SDA cult membership many years ago, because EGW is a false teacher, false prophet and was a demon inspired writer.
The truth is that there are now over 500 different Christian denominations besides the Adventist Church who also keep the Sabbath fourth Commandment. You are an ostrich, head in the sand. Go to this website and see. the-ten-commandments. org/sabbathkeepingchurches.html
@HighOnPaint Firstly, I am a non-denominational Christian. There is NO WAY I would have membership in a man made religious cult like SDA or any other man made religious denomination.
I follow Jesus and the 66 books of Scripture, that's it, nothing else, and nobody else!
Secondly, you are a typical Adventist. You make false accusations towards me when I expose the EGW deceit and SDA legalism. You take it so personally and get so defensive that you lie about me and my character. Typical SDA!
@FatTonyAU On the contrary, I am not offended at all. I have been all ears this entire time. If you can present contextual biblical evidence that disproves Ellen G. White, I will be glad to adhere to its significance. So far, however, you have presented nothing but a barrage of insults and aggressive language (not very "Christian" if you ask me). Why are you so angry? If you have the truth in its totality, you shouldn't have to be so abusive. The only one making accusations here is you.
@HighOnPaint On the contrary, you are always offended and defensive at my comments and the reason is because your faith stands on shaky and insecure ground, so you get all upset whenever someone challenges your personal beliefs, it rattles you and frightens you!
Now stop being scared and answer me this question:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus as your Saviour and avoid the Mark of the Beast? Y/N?
@HighOnPaint Then why are you a member of the SDA/EGW Cult? Because EGW taught that anyone who doesn't keep sabbath commandment will be lost and will receive the Sunday Laws Mark of the beast, in particular Sunday keeping Christians.
It's obvious to me you are nothing more than a brainwashed, NON-thinking puppet who is a SDA member and yet you are so ignorant of what EGW and SDA actually teach!
If you really understood what EGW teaches, you would resign your SDA cult membership like I did!
@FatTonyAU More insults, then? Honestly, you are not convincing me that you are even a Christian let alone a reasonable person with the way you are talking. You accuse Adventists of having "rotten fruits" but look at your fruits. Matthew 7:3 comes to mind. Concerning Ellen G. White. I want you to give me ONE contextual quote in which she says that attending church on Sabbath is the only way to salvation. And, please, no more insults. You are just hurting your argument more and more
@FatTonyAU More insults, then? Honestly, you are not convincing me that you are even a Christian let alone a reasonable person with the way you are talking. You accuse Adventists of having "rotten fruits" but look at your fruits. Matthew 7:3 comes to mind. Concerning Ellen G. White. I want you to give me ONE contextual quote in which she says that attending church on Sabbath is the only way to salvation. And, please, no more insults. You are just hurting your argument more and more
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus as your Saviour and avoid the Mark of the Beast? Y/N?
You answered YES, which proves you called EGW a liar and proves you claim the SDA is teaching a false gospel, because the truth is that EGW/SDA teach that if anyone attends Church on Sundays, they will receive the future Mark of the Beast and be lost!
"If you stopped attending Church Service on Sabbath for the rest of your life, and instead attended on Sundays, can you still be saved by faith in Jesus and still avoid the coming Mark of the Beast, ("Sunday Laws")?"
Their answer will PROVE that they view their Sabbath works as their god and saviour, because the reality is that they believe they will be lost and get the Mark of the Beast if they stop their Sabbath works.
@HighOnPaint I have a question for you. I am hoping that you are not too frightened to answer it and don't sidestep it and try to run and hide from this question.
What did Ellen G White teach about the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast, and who will get it, and WHY will they get the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast?
If you are unable to answer that question, then go ask your SDA Pastor to answer it for you, and then come back here and tell everyone the answer.
@FatTonyAU I don't currently have an SDA pastor (as I've explained before), but what I do have is extensive knowledge of Adventist theology and a terribly useful major in the science of philosophy. I have studied everything from Buddhism to Mormonism, and I can tell you in full confidence that Ellen G. White's teachings did indeed go hand-in-hand with the Bible. Was she a prophet? I will make no such assertion; although I do hold firmly to its historical and biblical significance. (CONT'D)
@FatTonyAU (CONT'D) Regarding the Sunday Law. In 1847, Ellen G. White wrote: "I saw that the number (666) of the image beast was made up; and that it was the beast that changed the Sabbath and the image beast followed on after and kept the Pope's, and not God's Sabbath. And all we were required to do, was to give up God's Sabbath and keep the Pope's and then we should have the mark of the beast and of his image." Now, does this align with the Holy Bible? (CONT'D)
@FatTonyAU (CONT'D) You tell me. Revelation 12:17. "And the dragon [the devil] was wroth with the woman [the church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed [the sons and daughters of God], which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." The answer is absolutely. However, you are wrong in your interpretation of this concept nonetheless. Ellen G. White, in fact, implores us not to be of works and principalities. (CONT'D)
@HighOnPaint In 1888 (p. 166), Ellen G. White wrote: "I entreat you, brethren, be not like the Pharisees, who were blinded with spiritual pride, self-righteousness, and self-sufficiency, and who because of this were forsaken of God. For years I have been receiving instructions and warnings that this was the danger to our people." This is historical proof that Mrs. White indeed taught not just differently, but the exact opposite of what you were accusing her of teaching.
@HighOnPaint You claim Adventists completely trust in Jesus as their Lord, Saviour, but that is a downright LIE that I can prove with one question:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus as your Saviour and avoid the Mark of the Beast? Yes or No?
Your answer will prove that you do NOT view Jesus as your 100% sole Saviour and that you trust in your own Sabbath works to save you!
@FatTonyAU Addressing your second comment: yes. I, myself, do not currently attend church service on Saturday as I've just relocated to another state and am going through the process of moving. Does this mean I will not be saved? Absolutely not. Ellen G. White was speaking against a system (which happens to fit the description of the papacy), not the sincerity of the people. I have answered this question numerous times. Why do you keep asking? Are you trying to get me to say "no"?
@HighOnPaint You are under the LAW and LEGALISM! EGW has deceived you when she was inspired by demons to write her books! She had led you right into the same "Bewitching" and false gospel that Paul rebuked in Galatians 3.
You now trust in your Sabbath works to save you!! You have rejected Jesus as your 100% complete and sole Saviour!
Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
@FatTonyAU Ahhh here you are again, asking the same question (copy paste) in another comment stream. I see you ask for answers but when people ask you a question you refuse to answer. I have given you everything you ask and you give nothing but vile comments in return. It's obvious you are here to abuse not to have a proper conversation. ADVENTISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY WORKS. How much clearer do I have to be, Salvation is by faith (alone) through the grace of christ.
Some people can't even figure out their lives, but have the audacity to dismiss God. You don't fully understand your beginning from your end, but you are so certain there is no God..I know I won't be surprised, because there is One God. He is the creator God. He left his seal in the bible..spend sometime to find it.
I wonder why I am not convinced that many of you here are ready to go to heaven. It seems to me that most of you here are just praising your dogma. You get hot over issues that leads not unto salvation. Leave the people's husbands, leave their wives, speak the truth, be obedient to your parents, stop worshiping your countries, currencies, colors and names. Stop thinking that you can walk dirty footed into heaven either..better straighten up and fly right or keep blogging your way to hell.
@FatTonyAU (CONT'D) Am I wrong in my observation? Because, according to you, people can do whatever they want so long as they claim faith in their "Lord and Savior as a fighter", correct? So you are justifying Hitler's actions as well, then? Please realize that, so long as you claim this, you have no other choice but to admit in doing so. You cannot accept Jesus Christ if you do not accept His standards in their totality (Mark 10:28-31). These are not my words, these are the words of God.
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DA7Productions 3 weeks ago
watch my testimony, just search michael oxley to find out how Jesus took me from drugs, gambling and living on the streets to being baptized into the Seventh-Day Adventist church. praise God
michaeloxley20112010 3 weeks ago
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Imax1971 Fellow Christians, test the spirit of this pastor, thru his words!!! Research & even find fault if you like... If its necessary to satisfy yourselves... Post it here... I will be waiting for it. This pastor is also challenging you to test or compare DEEPER your belief system to his.... Matthew 13:3-17.... It's a parable from Jesus... Know where do you STAND.... Godbless. Amen
pluto15xyz 4 weeks ago
Dough keep ON for I SHALL KEEP YOU.
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 month ago
Also, IMAX, she clearly states that she did not quote the original author for the sole reason that she wanted the reader to stay focused on the content and not the author. Let me, also, draw your attention to the fact that Christ, when preaching, quoted many an Old Testament writer without giving credit to the author. Does this make Him a plagarist, too? Not at all!
MaranathaAgain 2 months ago
@MaranathaAgain , DOUGH is briliant.
LimaPeruSouthAmerica 1 month ago
@MaranathaAgain Typical... An SDA member comparing Ellen to Jesus Christ.. Quick question. Is Jesus Christ the prime focus of your faith?
imax1971 2 weeks ago
@imax1971 "An SDA member comparing Ellen to Jesus Christ.."
You seem to have a penchant for twisting words around. "By their fruits you shall know them." You certainly show yours.
So as to clarify; I do not compare Ellen White, nor anyone else, for that matter, to Christ. Secondly, while Christ is soon to return, you would do well to focus on that fact and stop trying to discredit the means by which God has chosen to reveal himself, whether you believe or not. Have a good day.
MaranathaAgain 2 weeks ago
Yes, she did and she did not hide this fact. She clearly, and so do the publishers of her work, state that she took information from other authors of her time and used their material to clarify or highlight what she was trying to convey. This was very common in her day and she was not the only one who did this. As stated before, copyright laws were not in effect in her day so she did not, in the legal sense plagiarize anything.
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NewLife1996 3 months ago
This was a very good story, my mum and daughter told me about it and I finally was able to see and hear it.
DArtiz33 3 months ago
ATTENTION SDA MEMBERS:
According to Ellen G White and SDA, does a person have to keep the Law and 10 Commandments to avoid getting the Mark of the Beast and to avoid getting the final plagues and to inherit eternal life and to be accepted by God and saved?
If no, then does that mean a person who breaks the Law and 10 Commandments can avoid getting the Mark of the Beast and can still be saved?
If no, then do you admit that you are lost until the day you can perfectly keep the 10 Commandments?
EvangelistEvan 4 months ago
He said he went to military schools, Catholic schools and Jewish schools..... He also said he lived in a cave.... Wow! He has an audience! Welcome to the SDA...
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 This was done in the middle or his prophecy series. He had an audience way before he said all of that stuff. I don't find it that hard to believe his story. You'd only have trouble believing it if you had an initial bias towards the man or his denomination.
GamerDude573 4 months ago
The fact that anyone believed that this man lived in a cave is sad.... What's really sad is that they also believe that this cave had a previous occupant that left a bible... This guy is a snake oil salesman....
imax1971 5 months ago
@imax1971 You don't think he's telling the truth? If you watch the whole thing it shows pictures of him outside his cave and I think it has some of inside it...not sure but I think it does.
This is a very touching testimony. Doesn't matter if you believe what the guy teaches of not. This isn't about that. This is talking about how the grace of Jesus changed his life so why can't we all say Amen? The guy isn't a snake oil salesman, he's a spirit-filled preacher.
GamerDude573 4 months ago
@GamerDude573 The SDA published "their" version of the bible called the "Clear word Bible".... It is as phony as Batchelor is... Sorry, he is a snake oil salesmen.... The SDA was founded by a Plagiarist and a lunatic, Ellen White.... The fact that you believe this man lived in a cave where he found a Bible is pretty sad.. Pathetic, actually...
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 The Clear Word isn't the SDA Bible. Sure it was written by an Adventist, but on the front cover it clearly states that it is a paraphrased version of the bible like the Living Bible or the Message Bible. We don't even use it in church at all. We use either the NIV or NKJV mainly.
GamerDude573 4 months ago
@GamerDude573 I said the founder of your religion was a lunatic and plagiarist... Funny how you didn't respond to that... As far as the Clear Word Bible is concerned, you have no problem with a paraphrased version of the Holy Bible??? Are you kidding me???
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 Sorry, I forgot to address that part. All I'm going to say is that you should judge someone based on the bible not based on what other people have said about them. People can be biased, but the bible is never biased.
I rarely use The Clear Word. It's supposed to be used as a devotional bible; we never use it in church - we use the NKJV or NIV usually. Do you have a problem with using the living/message bible etc.? We never use TCW as a substitute to the other versions.
GamerDude573 4 months ago
@GamerDude573 Hey listen. I apologize for being mean. I hope you accept my apology. We believe what we believe. Although our religions have differences, we both agree that Jesus is our savior. I wish you the best. Peace.
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 Apology accepted. Thanks man. I really appreciate that. May Jesus and His Word be our highest authority!
GamerDude573 4 months ago
@imax1971
White was neither a plagiarist nor lunatic. It was customary during her time to quote other writers material without giving credit to the original author. This was common practice and is easily verified by doing a bit of historical research into what was customary during her day. Also, copyright laws were not in effect at that time. Her physical state during those visions were well recorded by many a prominent physician. Again, a bit of historical research will dispel any doubt.
MaranathaAgain 2 months ago
@MaranathaAgain Your response validates my point.. You just admitted that she quoted the writings of other authors...
imax1971 2 months ago
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White was neither a plagiarist nor lunatic. It was customary during her time to quote other writers material without giving credit to the original author. This was common practice and is easily verified by doing a bit of historical research into what was customary during her day. Also, copyright laws were not in effect at that time. Her physical state during those visions were well recorded by many a prominent physician. Again, a bit of historical research will dispel any doubt.
MaranathaAgain 2 months ago
@imax1971 sounds to me like you are the snake
heatherngreg 4 months ago
@heatherngreg How so?
imax1971 4 months ago
Beautiful story Doug. The Lord is coming soon my people, prepare your hearts and souls today!
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AWHNNOH 6 months ago
Claims can be made to defend or condemn Doug's words. But one thing you cannot deny is his personal encounter with the Lord. My experience was similar and like him I can attest that the Lord is real and that He pleads with us to come to Him for freedom from the sin that ensnares us. Don't over estimate the power of your mind and its rationality, remember that Lucifer was created intellectually superior to the brightest of us and his thoughts still led him astray. Trust God and His proven Word.
PlantiPal 7 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian You didn't ask if he was a sinner. You asked if he 'kept' the 10 Commandments.
Quite haughty for a professed BibleJesusChristian. The 'gotchya' questions; demonizing; hatefullness, misleading, misquoting & then attempting to judge via a few pixels here & there.
I believe in the 10 ORIGINAL Commandments and ATTEMPT to keep them, however, fall short, often.
Do you keep the original 10 or Constantines 10?
Serafinos 7 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian Please, provide a link to the video in Pastor Batchelors own words.
I've listened to majority of his videos; most of his Sabbath School classes, every week; and read many of his books. What you claim is either taken out of context &/or completely misquoted.
You remind me of a very angry Baptist minister, here, that thrives on arguing the Bible & hating any Christian of other faiths. Sad!
Serafinos 7 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian No cult -- as proven by my former Baptist Minister husband - for whom has witnessed first hand, due to his own questioning from what he was "taught" at Temple... that SDA were a cult. He has found the direct opposite. The Waco bunch were a cult... and believed opposite of most of our teachings... with additional false teachings. 2nd - In no way would I judge you... but your own words of misinformation & false accusations you seem to enjoy spreading. Why are you so angry?
Serafinos 7 months ago
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Serafinos 7 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian Bottom line -- each individual is judged by God & God alone. He judges each of our hearts and by the KNOWLEDGE each has acquired. A new believer is not less a Christian, nor less likely to be saved than a biblical scholar. Why do you hate, so much?
Serafinos 7 months ago
Not everyone in the SDA church will be saved if that's what you are implying. But I believe Jesus is going to save his people and anoint them with wisdom so they come to realize sunday is the man made day, not God's weekly Sabbath day.
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
To answer your question further i believe Christian who are sincere and worship on Sunday may be saved if they don't know better. But I'd rather be on the safe side and worship on Saturday cause it is truly the Lord's day. Faith and Grace don't erase the Law. If your speeding on a highway and a cop stops you but doesnt give you a ticket that's what grace is like. But it doesn't mean the law has changed and you can keep going 90 miles an hour.
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian You are aware that there have been Sunday Laws in many states and countries for decades, but they have not been enforced, But recently there have been moves in Europe to mandate Sunday as an official worship day with no work or shopping. Also many right wing christian groups in America are for mandating Sunday Law. This is all fact not fiction,not 1984,or EGW gobbly gook as you might think. I've seen it on PBS news and read articles online. Our freedoms are slowly eroding.
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian EG White is a religious writer. She is not the bible. However i have never heard her contradict the bible. She is simply saying that Because Jesus dies for our sins his blood cleanses us and makes us pure from all sins. And that those sins of the saints are gong to be attributed to Satan and he will be destroyed by Christ. How is that blasphemy??? It follows the same history and archetype Jesus is the innocent lamb and Satan is the goat!
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
@HarlanLovestone Satan does not have to burn for every person he can get to die in sin. They will burn for those sin and satan does not have to suffer for them, but satan has to burn for every saint that repents and chooses Christ..
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
how possible sunday is the mark of the beast?
maicoolfly 8 months ago
we should be going to church for God and nothing else. I believe saturday is the sabbath and that the original ten commandments are still in place today for God to judge people by. He will not hold it against those that did not know any better though, God looks on the heart and has people in many denominations, the bible does say that everyone will worship in end times, like cain and abel a right way and a wrong. good or bad preacher we will know the truth by testing it from the bible.
Mr28chance 8 months ago
@Mr28chance God judges people based on what they know. If you know that Saturday is the sabbath but still choose to worship on Sunday that does not please God.
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
@HarlanLovestone depends on the extreme your asking the question, we should worship everyday. but the whole no work, go to church and focus on getting to know God better and spend the day contemplating Him and His works, it's saturday.creation week coming to a close-genesis 2:2,3- seventh day god rested from His work...3- And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made...the rest on that day made it special
Mr28chance 8 months ago
@Mr28chance so God put his blessing on that day and made it a sign that he is the creator, us working six days and resting the seventh is a sign to him of the belief in that and its the only commandment that begins with remember, yet people say its ok to change or forget, I respectfully disagree with that. I am always happy to talk about God any questions you have I would love to try and answer if it is something i've studied pretty well or will study it to try and help.
Mr28chance 8 months ago 3
@HarlanLovestone i'm sorry were you asking a question? or stating that not keeping the sabbath for someone who knows better isn't pleasing God> that Iknow, I am a sabbath keeper, I in my original comment was making it a point to tell of God's goodness and that He will not hold that against believers who do not know better, God has people in lots of churches and all do not keep the seventh day, but don't know to do so. it is the rejection of the truth that displeases God.
Mr28chance 8 months ago 5
@Mr28chance AMEN!
Serafinos 7 months ago
@Serafinos you seem to have your hands full here, God bless. i'll be praying for you and the others who have commented. don't let the accusations get to you or cause anger in you. they are just words and blessed are those who are persecuted in Jesus name. sda or not, the sabbath is the 4th comandment and should be taught as such..keep it up. I would recommend you ask those who question that to give you scripture stating that. grace doesn't allow sin, romans5:19-6:6,3:28-31,james2:10,14-26. AMEN
Mr28chance 7 months ago
@Mr28chance LOL My hubby tried that route - Sunday vs Sabbath... when asked to show any scripture that proved GOD threw out the 10 Commandments, especially the 4th, but including the 1st, which was totally removed by Papacy .... he came up with the one he was taught in Theology class at Temple Univ. Where the Disciples went to visit someone on Sunday. Otherwise, he found none. Now baptized SDA... but does struggle with Daniel/Revelation... but don't we all.:) He truly enjoys Doug Batchelors
Serafinos 7 months ago
@Serafinos I began watching pastor batchelor and love his ministry. amazing facts website has a streaming channel of mostyl him as well as archives of alot of his stuff. I watch at 9:30 p.m. my time for pastor stephen bohr, if you have not heard him try it out. there are some videos here on you tube. he is on a whole different level, very in depth studies and lots of scriptures in it. he is my new favorite, thank you for sharing the story, always good to hear of the Lord drawing people closer.
Mr28chance 7 months ago
@Mr28chance Agree! Nice meeting you. Christ has had His hands full with me thru life. Dougs abillity to bring scripture to life & understanding was none other than God sent. So grateful he serves the Lord during my lifetime. :)
Serafinos 7 months ago
@Serafinos pastor bohr is also sda and he studied theology, messages are very inspired, have your bible handy and be prepared to learn things that you didn't even expect. you won't be sorry and given his theology background your husband should enjoy also. God bless. also another theology sda pastor who you may have heard of mark finley, great also. but pastor bohr is still my favorite.
Mr28chance 7 months ago
each religion has been attacked by pastor dough even jews.
maicoolfly 9 months ago
i dont go to church on sunday or saturday,their will be the day their will be no tommor sunday nor saturday...same to religion as well all i have is Christ wont live me....he know how politic like religion is...
maicoolfly 9 months ago
@maicoolfly There is nothing political about it ,the bible is very clear that Saturday is the sabbath , its even a 10 commandment
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
I am a young sda member...and when people attack my denomination I don't say anything because...most of the time they are Sunday worshipers and well how. Can the blind tell me am wrong??
bigblueunited9 9 months ago
@bigblueunited9 you wont be blind as long you have faith....dont depend from other thoughts....who is right or wrong..it is really disappointing...religion can make you astray
maicoolfly 9 months ago
@bigblueunited9 if you have faith their is hope...former SDA i still respect them...but i dont like their teaching anymore....their will be a time you will see what SDA is really is....
maicoolfly 9 months ago
i need to watch david and batsheba, adultery and after....please post it,,and you will see SDA is misleading you...
maicoolfly 9 months ago
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you know what the number one selling magazines are in north america,is not the bible...its the supermarket tabloid magazines...hahahaha dough is misleading you..
maicoolfly 9 months ago
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maicoolfly 9 months ago
you know what the number one selling magazines are in north america,is not the bible...is the supermarket tabloid magazines...hahahaha dough is misleading you..shut up dough you even read those things..
maicoolfly 9 months ago
To take the cross from the Christian is like blotting the sun out of the ski We are saved by grace by faith Our Lords blood covers us like a cloud over u all ur days. Long as u keep ur eye on Him u can not be lost. He died for me,
He represented for me. I am accepted in the beloved by the grace of God. For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son By the merits of Christ we are looked upon. If we hold to him by faith we are held as spotless as His Son
game11221 9 months ago
We all have fallen short of the glory of God, for there is 1 that God gave all power & authority to, 1 that is glorified
Christ died out side of us, it is reckoned! Our salvation is in Heaven. That is why we can not loose it! As long 1 keeps his eye on Christ
Our Lord, our God, our King came to serve us, died 4 us, so we could have life ALL GLORY TO OUR LORD! Christ is what love is We are not good enough to wash His feet, yet He washed ours!
game11221 9 months ago
Christ became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
He was treated as I deserve so I can be treated as He deserves
In my place He stood sealed me with His blood
Barabbas, ur 2nd name & mine, condemned to death, a very bad man Nothing he could do & Jesus takes his place. Friends we are Barabbas, Jesus has taken our place
He was flogged & by His stripes our wounds would be healed
He was condemned so we could be justified
He was striped so we could be clothed
What a savior!
game11221 9 months ago
Who cares?
SpincterManBubba 9 months ago
THE BIBLE ISN'T EVEN A MAGAZINE ANYWAYS!!!
AspiringPotato 10 months ago
Speaking of cavemen, do they go to heaven or hell? Or did the bible authors just overlook that?
AspiringPotato 10 months ago
@AspiringPotato My theory on cavemen is that they were mentally ill or deformed and cast out by normal society or a primitive tribe of people who lived among themselves and became extinct like the Mayans. How often over the past 2 centuries have explorers and scientist ran into strange savage tribes attempting to communicate with and/and or civilize them. I believe that's all cavemen were.
HarlanLovestone 8 months ago
@HarlanLovestone
So what you are saying is that you make up your own theories without consulting anthropologists, archeologists, or any other scientists, because you are desperate to believe that the world is 6000 years old?
AspiringPotato 8 months ago
Where is the Bible that you found in the cave now? Pr. Bachelor thank you for the message I have just heard.
jing031378 10 months ago
@jing031378 Have you read the book? We read it 7 times. Still enjoy going over some of his experiences.
His story is very inspirational & encouraging for those, like us, that strayed... but were found again! :D
Serafinos 7 months ago
Deuteronomy 5:3 (King James Version)
3,The LORD made "NOT" this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
2worldsatwar 10 months ago
Ask an SDA if they are saved by grace alone and they nod their head. But ask them if they are certain that they are saved and if they can be saved if they ceased Sabbath works,and this is what you get:
1. "Hmm not sure".
2. "I don't think so, shrug"
3. "I am working on it"
4. "I need to clean myself up first"
5. "There are a few sins I need to gain victory over first".
Can you see it? Adventists give lip service about salvation by grace alone, but they really rely on works to be saved!!!
FatTonyAU 10 months ago
@FatTonyAU Will answer my understanding of it... if that helps.
I am not ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED! I cannot wake up one day, have a hallelujah moment, walk out the door "saved" and run down to local sin-dens and live a party life like there's no tomorrow & expect to be walking the path God planned. NO. Am I Baptised? Yes! Does that mean a free ticket to heaven? NO!
Am I striving everyday to follow Christs example? Yes! Am I forgiven for faultering along the way? YES!
(running out of space)
Serafinos 7 months ago
@FatTonyAU... (Rev 22:14 KJV) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Pretty simple. It would mean Gods 10 Commandments & not the 10 which the first commandment was totally removed; 2nd split into 1st & 2nd; and 4th cut down from Remember the 7th day to keep it holy... etc -- downsized only to read "Remember the Lords Day". In Daniel it warns "They think they can change the times & the Laws"
Serafinos 7 months ago
@Serafinos (continued) The Pope changed the law, as signed by another 'man' Constantine.
The Bible says that not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law until it is all fulfilled.
Much rather follow the finger of God in stone than MAN's law. No? :)
Serafinos 7 months ago
The first day of the week is only mentioned 8 times in the bible and not once was it given by god the father , Jesus or even the disciples as a new day of worhship , give an example , when it says that the disciples were gathered in the upper room on the first day of the week with the windows shut , it wasnt a worship service , it says they were gathered there for fear of the jews. Thomas wasn't with them at the time and he didn't believe christ was ressureted till 3 days later when he saw him.
Graukna86 10 months ago
My questions First did god in Genesis not sanctify and hallow the Sabbath , Second through out the entire bible that Sabbath has been kept not just by the jews but by gentiles as well , and third IF the sabbath was given only to the jews then I am still obeying the Sabbath because we are told that through baptism and accepting christ we are graphted into the vine of spiritual Israel , simply because we believe what the jews did not accept , which was Jesus Christ.
Graukna86 10 months ago
And one other thing Adventist or atleast the ones that believe in the truth and live it , we don't step on and down trod on other faiths , so Why do people want to do it to us , and prophecy show that it isn' Catholic people who are the anti christ but the Hiarchy of the Catholic church , I find it funny how people make such strong comments without researching the bible with our own worlds history to come to an understanding of the truth.
Graukna86 10 months ago 19
@Graukna86 The Catholic Church is her people. Your Church bears false witness. It breaths fire against the body of Christ. If what the SDA church teaches is true, then there are a lot of people in danger of losing their salvation... if it is false... well, God help you. This "tradition" that the SDA church as well as other Protestant groups have of calling the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon or the Pope the AntiChrist, is a tradition of man... Made up in the mind of Martin Luther.
mukurowari 6 months ago
@Graukna86 Philippians 3:18. Research the bible yourself and beware the enemies of the cross of Christ! Your not a hater of the cross, are ya?
Killswitch305 6 months ago
err typo was ment to read this You don't keep the commandments to be saved , you keep them because you are saved , thats the difference.
Graukna86 10 months ago
You don't keep the law to be saved , you keep the commandments to be saved , didn't Jesus say " If you love me keep my commandments " also he said I came not to destroy the law but to fullfill , the word fullfill surely doesn't mean the same as destroy or christ contradicts himself. Also Revelation say " The dragon was wrath with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed those that " KEPT " the commandments of god and had the faith of Jesus!
Graukna86 10 months ago
Ok if your caught speeding and the officer lets you go he turns you lose on faith that you won't do it again , but it was his defining grace that sved you from the ticket he could have wrote , does that mean when he turns you lose you can peal out and still break the traffic laws? No, of course not , saved by grace through faith works , So if this is the case , how much more important are god's laws then mens?
Graukna86 10 months ago
No se consigue subtitulado o doblado al español?????
Feelingsview 10 months ago
@PhillyCheez701 I have a few questions, don't sidestep and evade them!
1. If you stopped attending Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved by grace and faith alone in the end times and still avoid the Mark of the Beast? Y/N?
2. If you stopped tithing, can you still be saved by grace and faith alone? Y/N?
3. If you answered No to question 1. and 2., then do you admit you are not saved by grace and faith ALONE? Y/n?
Don't run and hide, answer me!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Hi there. Once again I ask you this question. Do you expect to be saved without obeying God? Obeying God included keeping the Sabbath.
yovazquez 10 months ago
@FatTonyAU Scripture teaches that we study the Bible precept upon precept & scripture upon scripture.
"Come, let us REASON together." Come before Him with humbled & contrite hearts seeking TRUTH... not to put others down.
Several posts appear to have attempted in answering your questions... but also request studying further, on your own, from the Word, in order to allow truth spoken from scripture to bear it's own Witness. It's the only way my husband & I study, including along side EGW.
Serafinos 7 months ago
Four Questions for Seventh-day Adventists:
1. How is a person justified and saved?
2. What does a person need to do once they have been justified and saved to remain justified and saved?
3. What can happen for a person to lose their justification and salvation and how can the person be justified and saved again?
4. If you stop attending Church on Sabbath, and instead attend Church on Sundays, will you be lost, rejected by God and receive the Mark of the Beast and final plagues? Yes or No?
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
I have seen and heard Doug Batchelor with my own ears say that at a future date, Jesus will say the words, "IT IS FINISHED".
At that exact moment I realised I am watching and listening to a false and lying teacher who contradicts Jesus, because 2000 years ago, John 19:30, Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED", yet Doug lied and contradicted Jesus because he would rather say something that is not true so he can? support EGW and her teachings.
Doug is a liar and false teacher and contradicts Jesus!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
As for the sabbath keeping, Adventists are deceived into thinking they are the only Christian denomination who attend Church on Sabbath. But that is a LIE! There are now over 550 different Christian Denominations who also keep Sabbath day Holy.
the-ten-commandments. org/sabbathkeepingchurches. html
The SDA is in Babylon, like the Pharisee's were. Praise Jesus I left this dangerous and deceptive cult. The more I studied what EGW wrote, the more horrified I became in her false teachings!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
I have seen and heard Doug Batchelor with my own ears say that at a future date, Jesus will say the words, "IT IS FINISHED".
At that exact moment I realised I am watching and listening to a false and lying teacher who contradicts Jesus, because 2000 years ago, John 19:30, Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED", yet Doug lied and contradicted Jesus because he would rather say something that is not true so he can support EGW and her teachings.
Doug is a liar and false teacher and contradicts Jesus!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
Too bad that the SDA's do not have the correct Gospel. This is their only hope. But so far they refuse to repent of their many false doctrines choosing instead to embrace myths and legions of false doctrines. If the SDA's proclaim the Gospel correctly, (If they ever do), the Reformed Sabbath will be a natural part of their Gospel proclamation. Why? Because the Sabbath is part of the Gospel teachings of Christ, but SDA/EGW turned it into a legalistic salvation requirement!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
Ellen G White clearly taught that "SUNDAY LAWS" will be the MARK OF THE BEAST and all Sunday keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus will be rejected by God, lost, will receive the devastation of the final plagues and will receive the Mark of the Beast.
You have to make a decision NOW...follow EGW or Bible, because you cannot follow both as they contradict each other.
As for me, I resigned my SDA membership because I cannot believe and follow a false teacher like EGW.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU What is your response to my last comment? Are you going to pretend it doesn't exist?
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Your last comments are just a bunch of Ellen G White rubbish,who was inspired by demons in what to write.EGW has misled you and deceived you,yet you are too proud and arrogant and ignorant and too uneducated in Scripture to see through and recognise her lies.
2 Thess 2:10 teaches us that only those who sincerely love the truth will be saved. And the lost will be those who hated the love of the truth. That applies to most Adventists, they hate the truth and hold onto their errors!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Okay. Your comment sums everything up. I'm done here. God bless you.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint You can run but you cannot hide from the fact that you are following a false prophet, false teacher and demon inspired writer who has led you into believing that your Sabbath works will save you and that your works will help avoid the Mark of the Beast. It's all lies based on legalism and came from a woman who was not led by God.
After becoming an SDA and reading EGW books, I finally understood why Bible forbids women to teach on Bible matters. EGW has done a lot of damage!!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU I can't believe you just said that. Oh Boy!!!!!
indimedia 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU NO - EGW taught that WHEN christians have to choose between God and the Mark of the Beast that the Sunday Law will be one of the defining aspects. It is a choice between following God's or following Man (the devils) laws. This does not contradict the bible, the bible is clear on this point.
I get horrified about how you contradict the bible (Sorry that was using your words) ;)
indimedia 11 months ago
@indimedia So if a Sunday keeping Christian who has faith in Jesus and yet doesn't begin to keep Sabbath in the end times and IF Sunday laws are introduced, (which they won't), then what EGW and you are teaching is that they will be LOST and that their faith in Jesus is not enough to save them, and that after the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast, people will begin to be saved by a gospel based on SABBATH WORKS!
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!! You are talking with a legalistic demon tongue! SNAP OUT OF IT!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU I take my theology straight from the bible, that is what the bible says,. If someone sides with the devils laws at the end of time (when the time comes to decide) they WILL be lost because they have decided to throw their lot in with the devil. Its got nothing to do with works, its got to do with which side DO you chose. My question for you is: When we are asked to choose at the end of time whom we will serve, God's laws (including sabbath) or mans laws, what will you choose?
indimedia 11 months ago
@indimedia You were just caught out lying yet again! Lie after lie! You claim you take your theology straight out of the Bible, but that is a LIE and I can prove it with a single question:
Show me where in Scripture it teaches that a Sunday Law will be enforced upon the world and where people will receive the Mark of the Beast through Sunday Laws.
If you fail to show me that doctrine in Bible, then you have once again been exposed telling LIES!!!!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU I never said anything about Sabbath works - for some reason you have that in your head. I said that when people are faced with the decision to follow God's laws or mans laws your decision will determine if you are following God or not. That is what the BIBLE says, I have no reason to snap out of it. I don't have to listen to myself because I am listening to what God says.
indimedia 11 months ago
@indimedia You are a liar and deceiver when you claim you believe you are justified and sanctified and made righteous by faith alone, and I will prove it with a single question:
If you stopped attending Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved in the end time and still avoid the mark of the beast? Yes or No?
Your answer will PROVE that you do not rely completely on faith in Jesus to save you, you also trust in your Sabbath works to save you!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Hey, Jesus is not gonna say, "You know, even if you did not keep all my Commandments, I am still gonna save you." And I have never seen any of your comments include any Bible verses. Read Exodus 20, and after this, Matthew 5:17-20. Hope this helps!
yovazquez 10 months ago
@indimedia
Does not the bible say that by the law shall no flesh be justified? The bible teaches that to break one, you are guilty of all. If the sabbath plays any part in the deciding factor then so does the entire law of Moses. The deciding factor is not in what day you go to church, but in who you worship, and God can be worshiped any tiem and any day. This is proven by the disciples who gathered on the first day of the week to break bread, as well as every other day of the week.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
Satan won't be happy just telling people that its okay to worship Jesus, just do it on sunday. He is going to want an out and out rejection of Jesus as their messiah. For example, there are people in other countries who are thrown in jail, and on the floor is a circle with Jesus on the cross. They are allowed to go free if they cross that picture as a means of rejecting Jesus Christ.
If they try to walk around it, they are shot. Satan hates Jesus, and hates the power of his name.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
If it has anything to do with sunday, you can sure bet that part of the law will be to worship the false christ in his own name. The day of sunday in and of itself is not enough and will not cause someone to receive the mark of the beast. It does not denote rejection of Jesus, for if it did than anyone, even the disciples by gathering on the first day, and every other day of the week, would have spent more time rejecting him than accepting him.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
The law will never show you obedient. The more people learn of the law, the more they realize how far they've come from the presence of God, not the other way around. If people think they are becoming more and more obedient by following the law they have moved away from the true purpose of the law, which was to show you your sin and lead you to the cross of Christ.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
Ellen G White was a false prophet and false teacher who wrote and taught a false gospel based on Sabbath works.
I was a member of the SDA cult for over 10 years, the more I read her books the more I got horrified at how she contradicts Jesus and Bible.
In a nutshell, she teaches that a person must become sinless before they can invite Jesus into their heart and that Christians who have faith in Jesus, yet attend Church on Sundays, are lost, due to lack of Sabbath works! She is pure evil!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Please share a reference book/page/paragraph which you find EGW teaching that a "person must become sinless before the can invite Jesus into their hearts."
Considering the fact -- she fully teaches, as scripture teaches... come as you are... sinful, broken & down trodden. She never wrote nor believed those attending church on Sundays are lost.
Perhaps actually reading her material would help. Praying for your anger.
Serafinos 7 months ago
I believed for over 10 years as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church that Satan was my scapegoat and that Jesus would put my confessed sins on Satan’s head and he would be punished and die for them because Ellen G. White said so. I made the mistake of trusting her as my authority. The result of using her as an authority "the lesser light" to the Bible, gave me a false understanding of the work of my Savior in saving me. I have since left the SDA and now Jesus is my complete Saviour.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
I have a few questions for all you members of the Seventh-day Adventist Cult, and I was a member of the SDA cult for over 10 years, but I came out of Babylon and came into Jesus' righteousness.
1. Do you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment? Y/n?
2. Do you perfectly keep the 10 Commandments? Y/n?
3. Do you perfectly obey God? Y/n?
4. Do you ever sin? Y/n? If Yes, the Bible says you DISOBEY GOD AND BREAK THE LAW, 1John 3:4. Do you agree?
(Watch 'em abuse,insult me instead of answering me.)
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
Once the EGW "Sunday Laws" Mark of the beast is enforced in the future, what will Sunday Keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus need to do to be saved and to avoid the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast? Will they need to perform Sabbath works to be saved?
Your answer will PROVE that you teach that Sabbath works will be essential for Christians to perform in the end times to be saved and that faith in Jesus is NOT enough to save us, we also need Sabbath works! SDA IS A CULT!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
Questions for SDA:
Have you perfectly stopped sinning? Yes or No?
Do you believe you are lost until you can become perfect and completely stop sinning? Yes or No?
Have you invited Jesus into your heart? Yes or No?
If no,then do you admit you are lost?
If yes, then are you claiming EGW lied? when she said:
"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." - {ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3}
If you claim that quote is taken out of context,then put that EGW quote into context for me.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
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HighOnPaint 11 months ago
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@FatTonyAU Again, Romans 3:23. You seem to be confusing prophesy with practice. Ellen G. White states that a Sunday Law will pass, but she never states who will be lost and who won't be. That is God's job, not ours (please read this before responding). Now, I have a question for you. If these Sunday Laws were to pass (not saying they will, not saying they won't), forcing all to worship on Sunday, would you accept them? YES or NO.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
Ellen G White clearly taught that "SUNDAY LAWS" will be the MARK OF THE BEAST and all Sunday keeping Christians who love Jesus and have faith in Jesus will be rejected by God, lost, will receive the devastation of the final plagues and will receive the Mark of the Beast.
You have to make a decision NOW...follow EGW or Bible, because you cannot follow both as they contradict each other.
As for me, I resigned my SDA membership because I cannot believe and follow a false teacher like EGW.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
I once asked an SDA Pastor, "You were preaching about the importance of having Rev 14:12 apply to us, so I have a question for you. Do you keep God's 10 Commandments?"
To this he answered, "Yes I do". I then proceeded to put out my right hand to shake his hand and I said, "That's amazing, you are the only human in Earth's history besides Jesus Christ to be able to always keep God's 10 Commandments perfectly. So you mean you never sin?".
To this he answered, "Of course I sin!". I shook my head!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
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HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU I don't understand your point. You are condemning every Adventist (including me, and others) as being "self-righteous" and hypocritical just because one pastor misspoke? I have already explained that no one has kept the Commandments. We are saved by grace, but because of grace we follow in the footsteps of God and He makes us better. I have been saying this the whole time. Please, kindly, explain to me how this is false and I will agree. I would love to see where you are coming from.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
I have a few questions for all you members of the Seventh-day Adventist Cult, and I was a member of the SDA cult for over 10 years, but I came out of Babylon and came into Jesus' righteousness.
1. Do you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment? Y/n?
2. Do you perfectly keep the 10 Commandments? Y/n?
3. Do you perfectly obey God? Y/n?
4. Do you ever sin? Y/n? If Yes, the Bible says you DISOBEY GOD AND BREAK THE LAW, 1John 3:4. Do you agree?
(Watch 'em abuse,insult me instead of answering me.)
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU On the contrary, this appears to be what you are doing (a rude and disrespectful attitude is not ideal for someone who calls himself a Christian). I have not seen anyone "insult" you either.
1. Romans 3:23.
2. Romans 3:23.
3. Romans 3:23.
4. Romans 3:23. Proverbs 28:13.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Do you perfectly keep the 10 Commandments and Sabbath Commandment and never sin? YES OR NO?
If no, then do you admit you are a 10 Commandment and Sabbath BREAKER?
YES OR NO?
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
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HighOnPaint 11 months ago
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HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Yes I would continue to worship God on Sundays, because I worship God EVERY DAY! What kind of question is that you are asking me? Are you deluded??? Are you claiming you will STOP worshiping God on Sundays? So throughout the whole day of Sundays, you will WILLFULLY deny God and REFUSE to praise God and worship God and REFUSE to meet Christians on Sundays because you are scared you will get the silly EGW "Sunday Laws Mark"? So you will lock yourself up in a room every Sunday?
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU I made no such assertion (please do not put words in my mouth). Saturday in itself is a day of rest. To say "I worship God every day" is a granted statement and a separate point. (Every Christian should worship God every day.) I am referring to the issue of rest. God rested on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of remembrance. Stop dancing around the issue; you know what I mean. Would you reject the Sabbath and remember Sunday instead? YES or NO.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint It's obvious you are not even reading my posts! I have told you many times I am a Sabbath keeping Christian. But unlike you and Adventist cult members, I do NOT trust in the sabbath to save me. Yet the truth is you do! You trust in your Sabbath works to save you, which means you are a false teacher, Pharisee and deceived by demons and EGW had led you straight into BABYLON (Legalism).
You are lost until the day you come out of legalism and into the gift of grace!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Answer the question.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Why would I reject the Sabbath? The Sabbath is a beautiful Holy day, set aside by God Himself.
But unlike you, I do not view my Sabbath keeping as an act of works to keep me saved! Yet the truth is you do!!! You believe you will be lost, rejected by God, and receive the final plagues of God and the Mark of the Beast (Sunday Laws), if you stopped physically walking into an SDA building on the Sabbath! You are deceived and have rejected the grace of God, Gal 5:4
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU YES or NO. (Would you agree to make Sunday your new Sabbath?)
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint I have told you, I'm a Sabbath keeping Christian. I don't believe we should willfully violate and break any of the 10 Commandments!
HOWEVER,the Law/10 Commandments cannot save us,and NOBODY keeps them perfectly,hence, James said when you stumble in just one point,you BREAK THE WHOLE LAW! So in reality,you and I are 10 Commandment and Sabbath BREAKERS!
Our only hope now is to trust in Jesus as our 100% complete Saviour! But you don't,you trust in your Sabbath works to save you!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint NO!! The Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday!There is NO NEW Sabbath! The Sabbath is the same!
Yet in 1582, Pope Gregory changed the days from sundown to sundown, to midnight to midnight.
But the true Sabbath has always been from Sunday Friday to sundown Saturday. During that time we should not work,and we should fellowship,invest quality time in relationships and worship God!
But your motive for doing this is CORRUPT,cause you trust in your Sabbath works to save you!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Congratulations, you've just proved my point. You are, by definition, an Adventist. My brother, please stop wasting time attacking fellow believers and spend more time spreading the good news of the gospel; for the end is near. Happy Sabbath and may God bless you and keep you!
Revelation 12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint You are a liar and delusional! I resigned my SDA cult membership many years ago, because EGW is a false teacher, false prophet and was a demon inspired writer.
The truth is that there are now over 500 different Christian denominations besides the Adventist Church who also keep the Sabbath fourth Commandment. You are an ostrich, head in the sand. Go to this website and see. the-ten-commandments. org/sabbathkeepingchurches.html
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Has your new denomination taught you to insult and judge other Christians?
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Firstly, I am a non-denominational Christian. There is NO WAY I would have membership in a man made religious cult like SDA or any other man made religious denomination.
I follow Jesus and the 66 books of Scripture, that's it, nothing else, and nobody else!
Secondly, you are a typical Adventist. You make false accusations towards me when I expose the EGW deceit and SDA legalism. You take it so personally and get so defensive that you lie about me and my character. Typical SDA!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU On the contrary, I am not offended at all. I have been all ears this entire time. If you can present contextual biblical evidence that disproves Ellen G. White, I will be glad to adhere to its significance. So far, however, you have presented nothing but a barrage of insults and aggressive language (not very "Christian" if you ask me). Why are you so angry? If you have the truth in its totality, you shouldn't have to be so abusive. The only one making accusations here is you.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint On the contrary, you are always offended and defensive at my comments and the reason is because your faith stands on shaky and insecure ground, so you get all upset whenever someone challenges your personal beliefs, it rattles you and frightens you!
Now stop being scared and answer me this question:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus as your Saviour and avoid the Mark of the Beast? Y/N?
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Yes.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Then why are you a member of the SDA/EGW Cult? Because EGW taught that anyone who doesn't keep sabbath commandment will be lost and will receive the Sunday Laws Mark of the beast, in particular Sunday keeping Christians.
It's obvious to me you are nothing more than a brainwashed, NON-thinking puppet who is a SDA member and yet you are so ignorant of what EGW and SDA actually teach!
If you really understood what EGW teaches, you would resign your SDA cult membership like I did!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
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HighOnPaint 11 months ago
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HighOnPaint 11 months ago
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@FatTonyAU More insults, then? Honestly, you are not convincing me that you are even a Christian let alone a reasonable person with the way you are talking. You accuse Adventists of having "rotten fruits" but look at your fruits. Matthew 7:3 comes to mind. Concerning Ellen G. White. I want you to give me ONE contextual quote in which she says that attending church on Sabbath is the only way to salvation. And, please, no more insults. You are just hurting your argument more and more
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU More insults, then? Honestly, you are not convincing me that you are even a Christian let alone a reasonable person with the way you are talking. You accuse Adventists of having "rotten fruits" but look at your fruits. Matthew 7:3 comes to mind. Concerning Ellen G. White. I want you to give me ONE contextual quote in which she says that attending church on Sabbath is the only way to salvation. And, please, no more insults. You are just hurting your argument more and more
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint I asked you a question:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus as your Saviour and avoid the Mark of the Beast? Y/N?
You answered YES, which proves you called EGW a liar and proves you claim the SDA is teaching a false gospel, because the truth is that EGW/SDA teach that if anyone attends Church on Sundays, they will receive the future Mark of the Beast and be lost!
You should RESIGN NOW!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Ellen G. White does not claim that you must attend the church to avoid the mark of the beast, nor does the Seventh Day Adventist Church.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint Ask your SDA Pastor this question:
"If you stopped attending Church Service on Sabbath for the rest of your life, and instead attended on Sundays, can you still be saved by faith in Jesus and still avoid the coming Mark of the Beast, ("Sunday Laws")?"
Their answer will PROVE that they view their Sabbath works as their god and saviour, because the reality is that they believe they will be lost and get the Mark of the Beast if they stop their Sabbath works.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint I have a question for you. I am hoping that you are not too frightened to answer it and don't sidestep it and try to run and hide from this question.
What did Ellen G White teach about the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast, and who will get it, and WHY will they get the "Sunday laws" Mark of the Beast?
If you are unable to answer that question, then go ask your SDA Pastor to answer it for you, and then come back here and tell everyone the answer.
I look forward to your answer.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU I don't currently have an SDA pastor (as I've explained before), but what I do have is extensive knowledge of Adventist theology and a terribly useful major in the science of philosophy. I have studied everything from Buddhism to Mormonism, and I can tell you in full confidence that Ellen G. White's teachings did indeed go hand-in-hand with the Bible. Was she a prophet? I will make no such assertion; although I do hold firmly to its historical and biblical significance. (CONT'D)
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU (CONT'D) Regarding the Sunday Law. In 1847, Ellen G. White wrote: "I saw that the number (666) of the image beast was made up; and that it was the beast that changed the Sabbath and the image beast followed on after and kept the Pope's, and not God's Sabbath. And all we were required to do, was to give up God's Sabbath and keep the Pope's and then we should have the mark of the beast and of his image." Now, does this align with the Holy Bible? (CONT'D)
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU (CONT'D) You tell me. Revelation 12:17. "And the dragon [the devil] was wroth with the woman [the church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed [the sons and daughters of God], which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." The answer is absolutely. However, you are wrong in your interpretation of this concept nonetheless. Ellen G. White, in fact, implores us not to be of works and principalities. (CONT'D)
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint In 1888 (p. 166), Ellen G. White wrote: "I entreat you, brethren, be not like the Pharisees, who were blinded with spiritual pride, self-righteousness, and self-sufficiency, and who because of this were forsaken of God. For years I have been receiving instructions and warnings that this was the danger to our people." This is historical proof that Mrs. White indeed taught not just differently, but the exact opposite of what you were accusing her of teaching.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago 13
@HighOnPaint HOW IN FUCK WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU AND HIGH OFF PAINT
northmemphis48 10 months ago
@HighOnPaint You claim Adventists completely trust in Jesus as their Lord, Saviour, but that is a downright LIE that I can prove with one question:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus as your Saviour and avoid the Mark of the Beast? Yes or No?
Your answer will prove that you do NOT view Jesus as your 100% sole Saviour and that you trust in your own Sabbath works to save you!
Don't be scared, answer me!
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Addressing your second comment: yes. I, myself, do not currently attend church service on Saturday as I've just relocated to another state and am going through the process of moving. Does this mean I will not be saved? Absolutely not. Ellen G. White was speaking against a system (which happens to fit the description of the papacy), not the sincerity of the people. I have answered this question numerous times. Why do you keep asking? Are you trying to get me to say "no"?
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
@HighOnPaint You are under the LAW and LEGALISM! EGW has deceived you when she was inspired by demons to write her books! She had led you right into the same "Bewitching" and false gospel that Paul rebuked in Galatians 3.
You now trust in your Sabbath works to save you!! You have rejected Jesus as your 100% complete and sole Saviour!
Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU Ahhh here you are again, asking the same question (copy paste) in another comment stream. I see you ask for answers but when people ask you a question you refuse to answer. I have given you everything you ask and you give nothing but vile comments in return. It's obvious you are here to abuse not to have a proper conversation. ADVENTISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY WORKS. How much clearer do I have to be, Salvation is by faith (alone) through the grace of christ.
indimedia 11 months ago
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@indimedia You said that "ADVENTISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY WORKS", yet I can prove you wrong!
If you stopped attending Church on Sabbath and stopped tithing, can you still be saved by faith and grace alone? YES OR NO?
FatTonyAU 11 months ago
Some people can't even figure out their lives, but have the audacity to dismiss God. You don't fully understand your beginning from your end, but you are so certain there is no God..I know I won't be surprised, because there is One God. He is the creator God. He left his seal in the bible..spend sometime to find it.
Godrick34 11 months ago
I wonder why I am not convinced that many of you here are ready to go to heaven. It seems to me that most of you here are just praising your dogma. You get hot over issues that leads not unto salvation. Leave the people's husbands, leave their wives, speak the truth, be obedient to your parents, stop worshiping your countries, currencies, colors and names. Stop thinking that you can walk dirty footed into heaven either..better straighten up and fly right or keep blogging your way to hell.
Godrick34 11 months ago
@FatTonyAU (CONT'D) Am I wrong in my observation? Because, according to you, people can do whatever they want so long as they claim faith in their "Lord and Savior as a fighter", correct? So you are justifying Hitler's actions as well, then? Please realize that, so long as you claim this, you have no other choice but to admit in doing so. You cannot accept Jesus Christ if you do not accept His standards in their totality (Mark 10:28-31). These are not my words, these are the words of God.
HighOnPaint 11 months ago
Do I perfectly keep the commandments always? No, is this a serious question? What did I write that could possibly have implied this?
csc333 11 months ago