It wasnt offensive for PETA to compare the holocaust+slavery to animal cruelty cuz they are showing that if you dont like slavery+holocaust(where innocent people died) then why support the killing and suffering of innocent animals.The people are offended cuz PETA is telling them the truth that they are hypocrites since those people say slavery+holocaust is wrong yet they are supporting and permitting the killing of innocent animals.So then which one is it?Are you against slavery+holcaust or not?
PETA's ads cause offence because they advocate their fundamental belief that humans and animals are equals.
This doctrine is a response to the 'speciesism' that is inherent within western society- the pre-supposed belief that we are BETTER than other species.
If you take a step back and abandon any beliefs of human supremacy, it is hard to see any moral distinction between atrocities such as the holocaust and the meat industry in its modern incarnation.
@Morryme A typical response from an animal rights activist.
You take one look at what's on a person's plate and judge them solely on that. Compared to the sins PETA, the ALF, the ELF, and the ARM (Animal Rights Militia) have committed since their formations, we meat-eaters aren't so bad.
There was no work camps in Auschwitz, so no work was done there, the biggest camp,
prisoners were not well fed, -cows are usually well fed.
-killed, but not sold for meat, as cows are and dairy cows give milk, a commodity for most of their lives.The only correlation I can see is both were locked behind fences. How do you round up the cows for milking if they are all over the place?
I am just trying to understand this easy correlation for peta members to make and state over and over....
I think that for radical animal rights activists who believe that the value an animal's life is equal to a human's it's hypocritical to compare the exploitation of animals to the Holocaust. From their standpoint, it should be offensive to the animals. The animals are innocent victims, while the people killed in the Holocaust were meat-eaters, thus murderers themselves. Some murderers kill other murderers, so what? The whole affair is basically insignificant.
i don't like hwo PETA is twisting their ways about saving animals by killing htem, and using past terrors to change peoples mind emotionally to their side plus there are a bunch of thing about what they say like how no one has the right to kill o.e then that means not even animals can kill other animals. ill stick with survival of the fittist
This is stupid. We kill animals for food and have to in large quantities for mass production so everybody gets fed. The Holocaust had victims killed out of Hitler's hatred on them.
i only hate the girl throwing the puppys, at least that. but the other things about DONT EAT MEAT! fucking ass-hole fuck, i love meat... if i dont eat meat then i am a vagina... or a pussy.
Im not in favour or against this asotation but ithink this video doesnt show anything wrong about peta cause those images are a good comparation cause human had treath other races or species as inferior thinking that they were the best and its the same that human is doing with animals, thinking that they are superiors and the exclavize and kill animals as they did in germany, as they do in africa....and thousands countries the same that with thousand differents kinds of animals.
@loconchis Basically it boils down to species. We, just like every other species, prefer to put our own ahead of others, even if we don't need to.
However, the point of this video is that PeTA is likening jewish people and black people to animals, something they've been trying to avoid for years. It's insulting to them. If you want to advocate it, great, but please don't do it at other people's expense (not saying you personally, but in general)
Im not in favour or against this asotation but ithink this video doesnt show anything wrong about peta cause those images are a good comparation cause human had treath other races or species as inferior thinking that they were the best and its the same that human is doing with animals, thinking that they are superiors and the exclavize and kill animals as they did in germany, as they do in africa....and thousands countries the same that with thousand differents kinds of animals. Animal liberatA
@loconchis Shut up...and get the idea right, se it, know it, understand it, WE ARE INDEED SUPERIOR...a bunch of stupid, un-thinking cows are killed to make tasty meals for people who know how to eat.
PETA don't have any good approach on many. They send out gruesome ads to kids and they use celebrities to draw in Hollywood-loving folks which is pretty sad. I personally think using the wealthy and well known is like the companies who sell sex. PETA are the equal when it come to the companies they bash like D&G and Coach.
This was very low for PETA comparing horrific and tragic times in history to animals. It is not the same for the people who suffered through these moments.
I've always wanted to go up to a PETA member like I was interested in their cause, listen to them talk for 20 or 30 seconds, then pull a cheeseburger out and start eating it. Or, if they really equate people with animals, talk them into giving me one of their babies for one of my dogs.
Also, peta is very homophobic too. They thinks gays, lesbians and bisexuals are no different from animals lowest on the food chain as well. The GLBT community gets enough of that without Animal Rights groups butting in. As a pansexual female, I find that disgusting.
I always find this issue interesting. Some people find it offensive to compared barbaric human treatment to animal treatment but people like members of PETA are extremely anthropomorphic and to them it is a comparison as they see animals as human beings. I am an animal lover and do not condone torture of animals and believe they should have a good quality of life... but I also believe in the food chain people! What if we had evolved to be carnivores? Than we wouldn't have a choice.
You anit-peta , meat eaters are right! You've convinced me. Since Pigs are only as smart as a three year old human being, we should eat them. And since their are mentally disabled humans with lower intelligence then pigs we should eat them too! You guys make a very good point. Thanks for showing me the way!
BTW.. none of you are so special and are making any impact in the world significant enough to kill another being for your own pleasure, ie. a meal or clothing.
You anti-human people are right! You've convinced me. Since we are so different from every other animal on earth, we should deny ourselves our natural diet, even though it only means we fuck ourselves over in the long run.
Get over it, PeTard. Your bitching and whining will never stop animals from dying, and I plan on eating a natural diet for as long as I live. I believe all the cultures who eat meat don't care to hear your whining either. I guess you don't make a big enough impact.
Ah, nice. Insult me, because you can't prove any of your shit.
I can prevent all of that shit-wanna know how? Eating a properly balanced, omnivorous diet.
Maybe it's time you evolved into something that can back up their shit claims with proof. Or wait, lemme guess-you don't need it! It's common knowledge, how could I not know it! My 90 year old great grandfather, he couldn't possibly be that old because he's an omnivore, could he?
Actually, it is common knowledge that cholesterol causes heart disease and stroke. Obesity complicates heart disease and leads to type two diabetes. It's also common knowledge that poor blood circulation from clogged arteries causes impotence.
The United Nation did a report in 2006 on global warming and showed that the meat industry is produces more impact then all the cars, planes and boats in the world combined. It's also been documented for years about the rain forest been mowed down. What did you think they were using the land for, condos?? They're growing grains bitch! It takes 16 pounds of grains to produce a pound of meat. 51,000,000,000 (51 billion) animals are killed every year for human consumption. Do the math dummy.
I'm impressed you grandfather is 90. I'm more impressed by the tribe of Japanese villagers who live on a small island near Okinawa who consistently live to be 130 years old giving on grains.
Again, back your claims. I see no sources anywhere, and the UN has no business in OUR agriculture, especially when they can't get their facts right. It takes 2.5 lb of grain to produce 1 lb of beef. They're only fed grain for 5-6 months, not the 2 years they live.
Besides, I eat home-raised goat. Try to prove that's bad for the environment, especially when your precious tofu is killing rainforests.
You say you are impressed by Okinawans, yet you say hateful things about Japanese people. Guess what: Okinawa is a part of Japan. Get your facts straight.
Oh, I was talking to Luke. And he says cartoons and animation should be always cheerful and funny and not tragic and "depressing" like anime. Personally, I can't stand jolly happy all the time type cartoons. They piss me off.
You're fucking retard and a liar. I never said Cartoon should always be happy. I never said anything bad about Japanese people and Peta is not homophobic. In fact, I'm pretty sure Newkirk is a lesbian.
Why don't you go kill yourself. you're a useless piece of shit spreading lies.
@lukecarb PETA is bullshit, check it out :) they kill more animals than they save and pay for terrorist movements (you can check out their tax returns) there is loads of proof that PETA is a no good peice of shit group that do fuck all for animals oh, and you can check out the trials for animal cruelty they have been going though as well on the internet too. go ahead and check it out.
they only give a shit about animals when they serve their purpose of forcing veganism down peoples throats
a good example is that they were one of the biggest protestors of vick and applied for ownership of his dogs when they in fact support bsl which would wipe pits off the face of the earth
I'm going to have to send a message to you to actually respond to all that....
I will say this though. Thanks for commenting (all...um....yeah, I don't know how many times....), and I hope you can understand where this video is coming from in my message.
I don't think so. you must understand we are not the only creatures wo can think, pigs have the brain of a 3 year old, emotions included. I don't say you should not eat meat. I see you should think about your world an the animals who live in it, included your fellow man. It is not difficult to eat meat from animals who where treated right, we are just lazy and avaricious.
We forget, that we are just a greedy ape. With our greed we are ruin the planet. (this is not a speech for peta by the way)
we think we are soooo importand that we can ruin everything we like, beacuse we need cheap meed and eggs paying 2 dollars more is too much and we wanna eat Tuna we don''t care it is almost extinct. US US US! the only thing the planet need is us being gone. If every one the whole worl sould eat 2 times a week vegetarian we could save the planet from c02 for 20 years and water (fivemile liters of water per steak). If everyone should live lik the noord americans will need 5 more planets.
If the product where produced biological we need people who work in those industry too.
Byt it is al about profit, yhose creatures are not seen as living creatures but as products.
If the human think it is superior about someting it think is is justified to do what he like, killing the planed (what the meat industry is doing and the fish industry) there will be no tuna over about five years there wil be no eel, a lot of sharks will begone and the planet will be more ruind als because of us,
You say we use this animals for food so it's justified. It is justified to torture an animal beacause it is for food. What kind of cense makes that? I is not the same of eating a animal from the nomads in Mongolia. Who had a good life and was treated with respect because thwy need the animal too survive from his milk enz. And to say the Amricans NEED meet is stupid, they need too lose weight. And too say we eed the industry for JOBS we plase us above the other animals.
we (the european, americans are european and it's still not youre land it is from the Indians we killed) used it for lamp oil. The skin of Jews where used for Lampshades, our hairs was used for pilows..And they did experiments on us.. we where just less, not worthy to be treated rigth.WE where seen as ANIMALS. And if humans see someting as less the think it is JUSTIFIED beacause it is JUST A ANIMAL OR INDIAN or WHAT EVER. WE think we are superior.
but we are not better then a cow. And all the quotes you use say we are. This food çonsumption'is about animals, living creatures, who deserve respect/ A lot of my peole died in the hollocoust and i think you CAN compare thes pictures with each other!
The treath the Jews, The African American, the gypsies like that because they saw us as LESS in there eyes we where just not whorty .
These character limits, and "comment limit exceeded" things are getting annoying. Do you want to take this to an MSN messenger conversation or something?
I was a heavy-user of the PetaSucks forum for a few months. I already know that place.
So here's one for YOU. Search for the blog "The Abolitionist Approach" and you will see plenty of information on animal rights, abolitionism, and why PETA and other welfarist groups are hurting the movement.
Been there since January, hence why I'm animal welfare. I"ll never advocate the loss of species, no matter which ones or why. I was pissed when they ate that extinct quail, and I'll be pissed if cows go the same route.
Peta-sucks isn't a blog.
It's a forum. 12 step plan itself came from an AR activist.
I know it's not a blog... please read my posts. I was asking that you check out a blog called "The Abolitionist Approach". I asked because you were asking me to check out something too.
mail. Youtube sucks like that, which is why I tend to spam people with 50 different links.
I'm still not gonna advocate the loss of domestic animals, though. It's just not me. I'll probably always be a welfarist, and since I'm involved directly with the welfare of animals, it only makes sense. Animal rights would cost me my job.
Okay, really this should just stop altogether, because you keep taking what I say and twisting it around.
PETA is NOT animal rights. Pretending they are while supporting the meat industry does not make a group for animal rights. They are LYING. Welfare cannot "bring people to rights". Telling someone that it's okay to exploit animals as long as it's "humane" does the exact opposite. It reinforces the animals status as property & commodities. It PROMOTES animal use.
Just look at peta-sucks. Just look at their actions. Nothing is animal welfare, and I'm sorry, but animal rights advocates the extermination of domestic animals, livestock in particular.
I'm not twisting your words, either.
PeTA uses welfare like this: "Welfare is for making animals happpy!"
"OK!"
"But now, let's go further in making them happy-get rid of them!"
Welfare to PeTA is like the candy on display hiding the rotting fruit inside.
If animals have rights, then don't they have the right to their basest instincts?
While a non-existent animal may not suffer, the theory of animal rights fails in that animals, if given rights, should have the right to reproduce. Animal rights denies that, and tries to take it into their own hands, determining that they know what's best for the animals.
"If animals have rights, then don't they have the right to their basest instincts?"
Exactly, which is why they should be free. Not bred into slavery (captivity if you prefer that word) so he/she is unable to live completely naturally.
The right to reproduce isn't the same as the right to be artificially inseminated (raped). And if they reproduce naturally and have the right to that then they have the right to live, to keep their children, and for their children to live (bye bye meat industry)
Just as I leave this - I want to direct this to everyone else.
The poster of this video likes to keep repeating that I "support PETA" when I've said twice that I don't and am actually against PETA, but please note that I do not support PETA, their welfarist actions, or how they euthanize healthy adoptable animals. No matter how much he accuses me of supporting them.
PETA's agenda is to cause commotion and bring attention to their name.
They are NOT about animal rights.
This is why those in the animal rights movement hate PETA, because omnis look at PETA and think that's what animal rights is and use it against the REAL animal rights movement. We are SICK and TIRED of it. AR does not euthanize animals, AR means no-kill. AR is not about "happy" slavery, AR is to abolish it. PETA is NOT the animal rights movement.
The 'abolition' spells death for those animals, no matter how you look at it. AR activists who hate PeTA do the same thing they do. In the end, it will still spell death.
I'm sorry you believe animal rights is for saving animals. You can't save animals when they're dead.
Not breeding an animal into existance does not equal death. If not being born means death than every woman that doesn't have a child should be in jail for murder, no?
All joking aside, I'd rather continue to see the animals than watch them disappear. There's nothing wrong with humane slaughter. 98% of the population agrees with me.
Death would be enjoyable for me if it was the same as cattle slaughter. THEY DON'T FEEL IT. Cattle are hurt more by shots than the bolt gun. That's how it's humane. Inhumane would be the kosher version of slitting their throat and ripping their esophagus out-which does hurt, it stresses the animal out, and is downright cruel in my opinion.
It may not be good for their well-being, but since 98% of America needs meat, and the industry, we choose to not make them suffer. Like I said, we rely on them-for jobs, for food, and a few other things. Maybe there will come a time when they're not needed. That time is not now.
Actually we don't need flesh. There isn't a single nutrient in flesh that cannot be obtained easily in a balanced vegan diet. There are also many other job alternatives out there. If our society went vegan slowly over time there would be new job options.
We can easily digest it so long as we use our teeth to grind our food. If you have a problem with chewing food properly you will have trouble with absorption.
Also animal protein interferes with the absorption of some nutrients.
I just had a blood test to make sure I was getting all my nutrients (I'm pregnant), and everything was normal.
Can I responsibly and humanely use you as my slave?
After all you look different from me, have different behaviour, differences in anatomy, different believes and interests... I should be able to do what the heck I want with you, since you are "different" right?
Humane and slave are two words who don't mix. You cannot humanely enslave someone. When you do that, it fails to be slavery and becomes servitude.
Animals are humanely treated, and that's what matters. If they're going to be here, they are going to be treated right. They are here, and they are treated right.
Do yourself a favor and find out the real truth. Go to a farm. Talk to the farmer.
I've LIVED around farms and farmers. I WORKED at a cattle auction and got to listen to farmers talk and laugh about kicking "stupid" calves and beating cows for stupid reasons like "it kicked shit on my pop can".
Where? Not one rancher acts like that here, at least none who can stay in business. I live next to two, used to work at one, and go to college with a few more. Not one of them has ever laughed about beating animals. The only assholes who are like that are the idiot rednecks in school.
The larger/older facilities treat their animals the same as their pets.
If you can excuse enslaving someone simply because they don't have fingers or because they have a tail or fur, then you can excuse enslaving someone simply because they have darker skin, different genitals, or different nationality.
Everyone matters - no matter how "different" they are.
Sorry, I happen to follow BIOLOGY. Biology tells us we're different, from our looks to our DNA. You want real equality? Combine our DNA with theirs. Then there truly will be no difference.
The way it stands is that animals require us to live and us them.
You use black people when you USE THEM to compare to a cow killed humanely. They do not appreciate being called animals again, and you are undermining all the work they have done to bring themselves up to the human level.
There are biological differences between humans! Especially when you come from a different part of the world. Men and women are even more biologically different. Do you support sexism?
Non-humans DO NOT need to be enslaved! What a sick thing to say! Tell me why a junglefowl couldn't have been left as a junglefowl instead of being bred to be a topheavy, domesticated chicken to be confined, abused, and killed for human pleasure!
Chickens did NOT come from jungle fowl, neither did turkeys. Even game hens are plains birds. Did you know? Release a chicken, and it dies.
The DNA of men and women are the same. That won't change. But the DNA of a chicken is different. They have different adaptations. Too bad for you. Go back to high school.
Domesticated animals aren't just created by man in a lab out of chemicals. They are made through manipulation of wild species. Genetic research has suggested that the domesticated chicken likely descended from both Red and the Grey Junglefowl. (Do some research and see).
SO WHAT about DNA! Do we teach our kids to be kind to others because of their DNA design? Is it wrong for me to hit someone because hitting HURTS or just because of DNA?? Come on!
Those species have been 'manipulated' for over 10,000 years. Of course, nothing on them has been manipulated. That would require us actually doing something other than selecting and breeding the best traits.
You act as though we torture animals before they're killed. We do not. You have been lied to about that. Why not find out for yourself rather than advocating the destruction of over 1.5 million species?
Wow you don't know anything about the domestication process either! Domestication requires manipulating a species through selective breeding. This was done with junglefowl to make a bird that can no longer fly, and grows so fast that her legs may collapse under her own weight when she's still a baby, and may even die of heart-attack simply because she has been bred to grow too fast.
I have found out for myself. I have done an ABUNDANCE or research. I have witnessed it firsthand & so has family
If someone doesn't appreciate being called an animal then he/she is a speciesist. WE ARE ANIMALS. It is not something to be ashamed of. You are not a plant or a mighty god. You are an ANIMAL. Human supremacy is a bias that's all in your head. You are just another species of animal among many.
Call a black man an animal. Go ahead. Call a Jew an animal. THAT'S what you are failing to grasp. They don't appreciate it. Use something else in your tactics, and maybe people will respect you more. As it stands, simply because of your beliefs, I find you to support the extermination of domestic animals, right down to goldfish. You also fail to grasp that you piss people off, thus your intelligence must not be that high.
I advocate animal welfare, the RESPONSIBLE use of animals. It's humane.
Yes a speciesist black man might get offended. Yes, a speciesist Jewish person might get offended. Yes, a speciesist white man might also get offended. SPECIESISTS get offended. Of course they do.
Racists get offended too when I try to explain to them why racism is wrong. I'm not going to stop speaking out against racism simply because some I hurt some white supremacist's feelings.
I do not support killing enslaved animals, only not breeding them into slavery. Slavery is NEVER humane.
They're not slaves. For them to be slaves, they'd have to be human. They're not. We are their guardians. So SOME people treat them as slaves. I know a rancher who treats his cattle better than his family.
You do support killing animals-you support PeTA. They kill animals. In fact, they kill for no reason.
Just as a thought-since you seem to think animals deserve equal rights, what about pit bull type dogs? Do they deserve to live? PeTA doesn't think so. But then, PeTA loves killing animals. 97% last year. So you're exploiting people AND animals by supporting PeTA.
IF those ads weren't offensive, then no one would have been offended. It's as simple as that, and that's what YOU fail to see.
PeTA is not animal welfare. They're very clear on this. They advocate animal rights, right down to a KKK demonstration at the Westminster Kennel Club dog show.
PETA IS for animal welfare, they are just liars. They work with the meat industry to get them to kill animals "more humanely" and then call them "compassionate" when they do. They work with them to increase their profits! This is completely against the animal rights movement, and most omnis don't know this but PETA has NOTHING to do with the real animal rights movement. Most activists are against PETA.
go to peta-sucks(dot)com. I think there's a few things you'll find about the 'welfarist' PeTA. As in they're for the total destruction of all domestic animals, which is animal rights.
PeTA is hypocritical in the fact that they own large parts of meat-based restaurants, but they are not animal welfare. Animal welfare wouldn't have a "Holocaust on your plate" for any reason.
I don't need to....I used to use their forums all the time.
They talk as if they are for animal rights, but they the do welfarist actions. They are liars and hypocrites. They claim to want to abolish speciesism and then act to support it.
Well the definately aren't for animal rights.
In truth they are probably animal-nothing. Just a "Hey look at me!" attention-loving group.
They advocate "happy meat". Animal rights = against "happy meat". They eutha nize healthy animals. Animal rights = against euthanizing healthy adoptable dogs.
The KKK thing had nothing to do with animal rights. PETA does these things simply to get attention. I don't know a single REAL activist who supports that campaign, just the welfarist "OmG PeTa is KeWL!!1" preteens and the animal rights posers at PETA.
PeTA has many times called happy meat a joke created by livestock ranchers to entice people to eat more meat. No, the KKK has nothing to do with animal rights, but that was PeTA's demonstration. Everyone on peta2 and peta forums is animal rights, and those who aren't quickly leave.
Seriously, go to peta-sucks. You'll find a lot of shit there about PeTA, including the true face of animal welfare. PeTA is for the blatant destruction of all domestics.
You seriously don't know what the animal rights movement really is. If you were a vegan I'd say go to Vegan Freaks Forum where all the abolitionists are and mention supporting PETA - you would get your ass chewed out for it.
Why should I go back to a site I spent a few hours a day on? I told you I used to use the forum. I already know that stuff.
Just because some anti-PETA person says PETA is animal rights that doesn't make it true. Animal rights does not mean the right to be eaten,
PetaSucks. I used to use the PETA forums further back when I was a welfarist. When I became an animal rights abolitionist I became disgusted with PETA's actions and abandoned support.
HSUS is not animal rights either. They are an INSULT to the animal rights movement. They support "humane" (gag) animal exploitation, like "free-range" eggs.
"What do they know - all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka."
Oh, yes, you're not using them, you're advocating them! How could I have been so wrong! You know, it was only the entire Jewish community and the NAACP who was pissed off at them, it was only the Jewish community and the NAACP who demanded an apology. I guess you're the only one who can determine whether or not somene's being used.
I don't care if you're vegan. I do care if you use my fellow humans for your stunts.
I'll say it again - I AM NOT USING SOMEONE BY CONDEMNING THEIR EXPLOITATION.
It is not my fault that they are angry because of their own prejudice. They have been a victim of prejudice so they should know better than to subject others to it.
I bet a lot of white racists got pissed off and demanded an apology because anti-racists compared them to black people - but isn't that THEIR fault for having a prejudice against blacks?
That's what you may want to think, but YOU ARE USING THEM. They are not happy about it. It is possible to advocate veganism (which is by no means cruelty free) WITHOUT USING PEOPLE.
It is your fault they are angry.
Comparing white people to black people is nothing like comparing hung black people to dead cows-when you skin people, we look the same. But humans have no hooves, only one stomach, and a full set of teeth. Big difference.
I only hope you find you just how pissed they are, the hard way
SPEAKING OUT AGAINST EXPLOITATION IS NOT EXPLOITATION.
It is NOT my fault if they are human supremacists. Their species bias is their own.
And now you are saying someone only matters if they LOOK like you! That is the same way of thinking as a racist who judges someone by their skin colour! Surely what matters is that someone FEELS, not their colour, shape, number of legs, IQ, skills, age, gender, sexual orientation, language, behaviour, etc.
Twisting words does not make them true. If it did, the NAACP and the Jewish community WOULD NOT CARE.
Your species bias leads you to abuse your own. As I said, it is possible to advocate for animals without exploiting people. I believe the SPCA pulls it off very well.
Show me someone who's biologically the same as a cow and I'll show you someone who's not human. BIOLOGY also tells us we're omnivores.
The SPCA doesn't pull off anything. They are welfarists trying to get people to treat their "property" nicely. They are a speciesist organization who cares about being "kind" to puppies but turns their backs on so many animals enslaved for their flesh. They are not part of the movement to abolish the slavery of non-humans.
You don't have to be the same as someone else for them to matter! You are not the same as me....should I be allowed to enslave you?
Yep. I'll take welfare over the extinction of domestic animals any day. I'd rather have my cow and eat it too, rather than just letting them disappear. That's what your precious animal rights is for. Congratulations. Seems pretty Hitler-esque to me. You're picking which animals get to stick around.
Speaking of Hitler, you're also deciding everything for the animals. I thought they were supposed to have their own rights? Why are you deciding for them? I say let them choose for themselves!
So should people stop fighting for the rights of children and infants? They don't stand up for their own rights. I guess we shouldn't care about people shaking babies to death and drowning them. Since those lazy babies aren't getting on the streets with signs and standing up for themselves.
No if anyone's closer to Hitler it's speciesists who believe that might makes right. Not those who are against that belief. Might does NOT make right.
Choose love and mercy, not domination and exploitation
As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour toward creatures, all men were Nazis.
"One day the absurdity of the almost universal human belief in the slavery of other animals will be palpable. We shall then have discovered our souls and become worthier of sharing this planet with them."
Martin Luther King, Jr
The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men.
~Alice Walker
"Ïnjustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"
"Quotes do not make anything more truthful. Truth lies in the thoughts and beliefs of the individual."
What you believe to be the truth is abhorrent to those it relates to. The blacks and the Jews who were used are outraged, and PeTA has lost support because of it. They will continue to lose support until PeTA is no more. They will learn the hard way why you don't use people to further your agenda.
"The blacks and the Jews who were used are outraged"
Only the speciesist ones, and it's not PETA's fault they're speciesist. Many blacks and Jews supported it. In fact, a lot of people who worked on the campaign were victims or lost family members to racism or antisemitism, and are fighting to stop humans from putting non-humans what they went through.
It's not "using" people, it's speaking out AGAINST using people, both human and non-human, black and white, man and woman - ANYONE.
I am not "using black people" to "further my agenda". Their oppression is PART of it! I want to work to stop ALL PREJUDICE, OPPRESSION, and INJUSTICE. What was done to sentient beings simply because of the colour of their skin is disgusting and that's why it's part of this fight. That's why it's mentioned. Because racism IS wrong. JUST AS sexism, speciesism and homophobia are wrong.
It makes no sense that you think it's ok to compare the black slave trade to the livestock industry either. You are a sick individual to think that that's ok. Just because we belong to Animalia does not mean we are above them. We're homo sapien, they're not.
Insects are animals too, and you have no qualms about kililng them for your food.
What about the deer killed to keep your food safe from them? I guess they don't matter either.
Using black people to further your agenda is WRONG.
It is not sick to compare the oppression of one group of victims to another. Supporting the oppression of any sentient being is what is truly sick.
I do not support the deliberate, unnecessary, and AVOIDABLE killing of ANY sentient being. You are comparing the indirect to the direct. Car accidents kill people. Does that mean if I buy a car and drive it I might as well DELIBERATELY run over people?
Ok, if it is not sick, then why don't you tell them that? I'm sure they'd love to hear it.
Don't support it-too bad only about 2% of the population gives a rat's ass whether you do or not. Meat is not unnecessary, biology tells us we're omnivores. There's an alternative to everything, but just because it's there does not mean it's available to the common person, not when vegan food is 3 times higher than meat.
If we were on the same level as animals, we would not have civilization, which also happened to be built on the backs of animals.
A cow may be just as sentient as a human, but it still follows base instincts, which puts it lower than us, seeing as how we don't follow instinct. Call it wrong, but what PeTA has done is unforgiveable, plain and simple.
We too run on many instincts. For example, I have a maternal instinct. We have pain instincts that cause us to pull away from pain without thinking. Do you consider whether or not to pull your hand off of a hot burner? Or does the pain sensation cause your body to automatically respond?
Yes animals, have instincts. Human and non-human alike.
Who are you to criticize the oppression of a race, when you support the oppression all other species?
So, if we are animals, then I guess animal testing is relevant now?
If animals are equal to us, where are their cities? Their monuments? Why must they have someone speak for them? Surely if they could understand us they could find some way to communicate.
Why not walk into the NAACP and speak this? Go ahead. Surely you can convince them it's ok to call them cattle.
No one is equal to anyone. Everyone is unique and that's a GOOD thing. A human child does not make great inventions, but he still has value because he can FEEL. A mentally handicapped person may never build, drive, or be able to live life like most other humans but he still has value because he is still a SOMEONE with FEELINGS. Human infants are even less capable of many things than many non-human animals.
It's about equal CONSIDERATION, you don't have to be identical to matter.
If you are offended by a black human being compared to a cow, that is your own fault, because you're a speciesist. Just like a racist might get offended if you compare him to someone of another race. Cows are JUST as sentient as humans. Humans are just ONE species of animal among MANY.
Species bias is just as wrong as racial bias or gender bias. NO ONE is property.
So according to you, it's ok to compare these people to animals? Only one person has ever stated something so anti-human, and he's mental.
Definition of sentience: Being conscious or aware; being able to feel pain and pleasure.
Animals rely on instinct. We rely on THOUGHT. When a cow stops following instinct, let me know.
I am offended by people being compared to animals. They don't deserve it. They've been through enough already, and I can only hope you experience something similar.
Well, they tried to cozy up to Obama, who was smart enough to ignore them. As far as I know, the family of the guy who got killed in Manitoba sued and won, and PeTA was forced to remove these campaigns, so it looks like PeTA's losing on all fronts, which is a huge blessing for anyone who knows the true animal rights agenda.
It wasnt offensive for PETA to compare the holocaust+slavery to animal cruelty cuz they are showing that if you dont like slavery+holocaust(where innocent people died) then why support the killing and suffering of innocent animals.The people are offended cuz PETA is telling them the truth that they are hypocrites since those people say slavery+holocaust is wrong yet they are supporting and permitting the killing of innocent animals.So then which one is it?Are you against slavery+holcaust or not?
MissTeal2012 12 hours ago
PETA's ads cause offence because they advocate their fundamental belief that humans and animals are equals.
This doctrine is a response to the 'speciesism' that is inherent within western society- the pre-supposed belief that we are BETTER than other species.
If you take a step back and abandon any beliefs of human supremacy, it is hard to see any moral distinction between atrocities such as the holocaust and the meat industry in its modern incarnation.
Consider: 'why are humans 'better?'
Morryme 2 weeks ago
@Morryme A typical response from an animal rights activist.
You take one look at what's on a person's plate and judge them solely on that. Compared to the sins PETA, the ALF, the ELF, and the ARM (Animal Rights Militia) have committed since their formations, we meat-eaters aren't so bad.
TheRealThreeP 1 week ago
There was no work camps in Auschwitz, so no work was done there, the biggest camp,
prisoners were not well fed, -cows are usually well fed.
-killed, but not sold for meat, as cows are and dairy cows give milk, a commodity for most of their lives.The only correlation I can see is both were locked behind fences. How do you round up the cows for milking if they are all over the place?
I am just trying to understand this easy correlation for peta members to make and state over and over....
eranredick 1 month ago
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HawaiiKnut 4 months ago
I think that for radical animal rights activists who believe that the value an animal's life is equal to a human's it's hypocritical to compare the exploitation of animals to the Holocaust. From their standpoint, it should be offensive to the animals. The animals are innocent victims, while the people killed in the Holocaust were meat-eaters, thus murderers themselves. Some murderers kill other murderers, so what? The whole affair is basically insignificant.
Note that those aren't my views.
Aqquila89 4 months ago 4
i don't like hwo PETA is twisting their ways about saving animals by killing htem, and using past terrors to change peoples mind emotionally to their side plus there are a bunch of thing about what they say like how no one has the right to kill o.e then that means not even animals can kill other animals. ill stick with survival of the fittist
JamesFan16 7 months ago
i would bring an axe and kill the members of peta until a cop tried to kil me
mullethippie96 8 months ago
so communism is ok? it makes no sense
MrPakkomielteinen 8 months ago
Are Jews as tasty as lambs? I think I just got America out of debt and fed the poor. Saint me!
voneinemkindgefict 8 months ago
Peta are nazis!!!!
ChildofYeshua777 9 months ago
THE LIFE OF A JEW IS WORTH THE SAME AS A FUCKING CHICKEN..........ACCORDING TO PETA
stormycliffs 9 months ago
wow. if anybody sees those peta assholes on the street, you should push them down a flight of stairs.
cole3454657 1 year ago
it's true what PETA says...
MaryJolie1 1 year ago
That means... (gasp!) Everything that eats meat must die now!
claw7705 1 year ago
dude chickens are getting killed for food, Jews were killed because of Hitler, nothing else.
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Camdentown100 1 year ago
This is stupid. We kill animals for food and have to in large quantities for mass production so everybody gets fed. The Holocaust had victims killed out of Hitler's hatred on them.
JOS5190 1 year ago
Why do most celebrities support peta?
Duvmasta 1 year ago
@Duvmasta Because they're fools. Rich and stupid is a bad combination.
NinjaGhostScorpion 1 year ago
@Duvmasta publicity, and because of their stupidity.
cole3454657 1 year ago
i only hate the girl throwing the puppys, at least that. but the other things about DONT EAT MEAT! fucking ass-hole fuck, i love meat... if i dont eat meat then i am a vagina... or a pussy.
layger7 1 year ago
I just can't stand how PeTa cares about cows...i don't care about them, they're just animals, and i eat them because they're tasty.
Supermaster4567 1 year ago
i dont see it as bad as you sound it is...its is just a more extreme way to show people not everything we do to animals is in the right way
leomatosuk 1 year ago
Im not in favour or against this asotation but ithink this video doesnt show anything wrong about peta cause those images are a good comparation cause human had treath other races or species as inferior thinking that they were the best and its the same that human is doing with animals, thinking that they are superiors and the exclavize and kill animals as they did in germany, as they do in africa....and thousands countries the same that with thousand differents kinds of animals.
loconchis 1 year ago
@loconchis Basically it boils down to species. We, just like every other species, prefer to put our own ahead of others, even if we don't need to.
However, the point of this video is that PeTA is likening jewish people and black people to animals, something they've been trying to avoid for years. It's insulting to them. If you want to advocate it, great, but please don't do it at other people's expense (not saying you personally, but in general)
t3huch1h4k4pp4 1 year ago 5
Im not in favour or against this asotation but ithink this video doesnt show anything wrong about peta cause those images are a good comparation cause human had treath other races or species as inferior thinking that they were the best and its the same that human is doing with animals, thinking that they are superiors and the exclavize and kill animals as they did in germany, as they do in africa....and thousands countries the same that with thousand differents kinds of animals. Animal liberatA
loconchis 1 year ago
@loconchis Shut up...and get the idea right, se it, know it, understand it, WE ARE INDEED SUPERIOR...a bunch of stupid, un-thinking cows are killed to make tasty meals for people who know how to eat.
Supermaster4567 1 year ago
PETA don't have any good approach on many. They send out gruesome ads to kids and they use celebrities to draw in Hollywood-loving folks which is pretty sad. I personally think using the wealthy and well known is like the companies who sell sex. PETA are the equal when it come to the companies they bash like D&G and Coach.
This was very low for PETA comparing horrific and tragic times in history to animals. It is not the same for the people who suffered through these moments.
CristinaSantos1986 1 year ago
PETA are hardcore misanthropes at best and potential domestic terrorists at worst.
CKO92 1 year ago
Hitler was a vegetarian just saying
flipperboy 1 year ago
Comparing animals to humans
is like comparing dirt to gold
neyeseek 2 years ago
I've always wanted to go up to a PETA member like I was interested in their cause, listen to them talk for 20 or 30 seconds, then pull a cheeseburger out and start eating it. Or, if they really equate people with animals, talk them into giving me one of their babies for one of my dogs.
FuckItSnoopy 2 years ago
Also, peta is very homophobic too. They thinks gays, lesbians and bisexuals are no different from animals lowest on the food chain as well. The GLBT community gets enough of that without Animal Rights groups butting in. As a pansexual female, I find that disgusting.
GueiGirl 2 years ago
I always find this issue interesting. Some people find it offensive to compared barbaric human treatment to animal treatment but people like members of PETA are extremely anthropomorphic and to them it is a comparison as they see animals as human beings. I am an animal lover and do not condone torture of animals and believe they should have a good quality of life... but I also believe in the food chain people! What if we had evolved to be carnivores? Than we wouldn't have a choice.
rangerbecky 2 years ago
I wonder what any PETA member would do if they were literally starving to death, and had to choose between a celery stick or a chicken filet.
bully129 2 years ago
You anit-peta , meat eaters are right! You've convinced me. Since Pigs are only as smart as a three year old human being, we should eat them. And since their are mentally disabled humans with lower intelligence then pigs we should eat them too! You guys make a very good point. Thanks for showing me the way!
BTW.. none of you are so special and are making any impact in the world significant enough to kill another being for your own pleasure, ie. a meal or clothing.
lukecarb 2 years ago
You anti-human people are right! You've convinced me. Since we are so different from every other animal on earth, we should deny ourselves our natural diet, even though it only means we fuck ourselves over in the long run.
Get over it, PeTard. Your bitching and whining will never stop animals from dying, and I plan on eating a natural diet for as long as I live. I believe all the cultures who eat meat don't care to hear your whining either. I guess you don't make a big enough impact.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 2 years ago
Preventing cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, obesity, impotence, greatly reduced carbon footprint, eliminate destruction of the rainforest which contains medicinal plants. That doesn't sound "Anti-human" to me.
Maybe it's time you evolved from a piece of shit and became a human living in the 21st century.
BTW - Japanimation is for losers!
lukecarb 2 years ago
Ah, nice. Insult me, because you can't prove any of your shit.
I can prevent all of that shit-wanna know how? Eating a properly balanced, omnivorous diet.
Maybe it's time you evolved into something that can back up their shit claims with proof. Or wait, lemme guess-you don't need it! It's common knowledge, how could I not know it! My 90 year old great grandfather, he couldn't possibly be that old because he's an omnivore, could he?
t3huch1h4k4pp4 2 years ago
Actually, it is common knowledge that cholesterol causes heart disease and stroke. Obesity complicates heart disease and leads to type two diabetes. It's also common knowledge that poor blood circulation from clogged arteries causes impotence.
lukecarb 2 years ago
The United Nation did a report in 2006 on global warming and showed that the meat industry is produces more impact then all the cars, planes and boats in the world combined. It's also been documented for years about the rain forest been mowed down. What did you think they were using the land for, condos?? They're growing grains bitch! It takes 16 pounds of grains to produce a pound of meat. 51,000,000,000 (51 billion) animals are killed every year for human consumption. Do the math dummy.
lukecarb 2 years ago
I'm impressed you grandfather is 90. I'm more impressed by the tribe of Japanese villagers who live on a small island near Okinawa who consistently live to be 130 years old giving on grains.
lukecarb 2 years ago
Again, back your claims. I see no sources anywhere, and the UN has no business in OUR agriculture, especially when they can't get their facts right. It takes 2.5 lb of grain to produce 1 lb of beef. They're only fed grain for 5-6 months, not the 2 years they live.
Besides, I eat home-raised goat. Try to prove that's bad for the environment, especially when your precious tofu is killing rainforests.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 2 years ago
You say you are impressed by Okinawans, yet you say hateful things about Japanese people. Guess what: Okinawa is a part of Japan. Get your facts straight.
GueiGirl 2 years ago
Oh, I was talking to Luke. And he says cartoons and animation should be always cheerful and funny and not tragic and "depressing" like anime. Personally, I can't stand jolly happy all the time type cartoons. They piss me off.
GueiGirl 2 years ago
You're fucking retard and a liar. I never said Cartoon should always be happy. I never said anything bad about Japanese people and Peta is not homophobic. In fact, I'm pretty sure Newkirk is a lesbian.
Why don't you go kill yourself. you're a useless piece of shit spreading lies.
lukecarb 2 years ago
If you want to be childish and tell people to kill themselves and cuss people out, then it's not worth talking to you.
NO IMMATURE BABIES ALLOWED ON THE INTERNET. END OF DISCUSSION!
GueiGirl 2 years ago
Ha ha!!
lukecarb 2 years ago
Wow. I've read some insane bullshit on YouTube, before, but this takes the grand prize.
NinjaGhostScorpion 2 years ago
Not educated enough to identify sarcasm?
Ninja, ghost, scorpion, retard.
Make an argument against my post. Good luck.
lukecarb 2 years ago
@lukecarb PETA is bullshit, check it out :) they kill more animals than they save and pay for terrorist movements (you can check out their tax returns) there is loads of proof that PETA is a no good peice of shit group that do fuck all for animals oh, and you can check out the trials for animal cruelty they have been going though as well on the internet too. go ahead and check it out.
GemGem626 1 year ago
would peta sue a lion for tearing a cow/pig/chicken apart (that's slow, painful death) and then eating chunks of its flesh?
peta was right to bring awareness to animal cruelty but now they might have taken things a bit too far.
they can't expect to turn all humans into vegans...against their will.
to peta: we know you're talking about having animal rights and laws and protecting them: that's fine. BUT don't go breaking human rights laws too....
Rieyuu 2 years ago
they only give a shit about animals when they serve their purpose of forcing veganism down peoples throats
a good example is that they were one of the biggest protestors of vick and applied for ownership of his dogs when they in fact support bsl which would wipe pits off the face of the earth
blackeye240 2 years ago
Let's not also forget they were in discussion about making Vick a spokesperson.
PeTA turned him down, surprisingly enough. My guess is he didn't kill enough dogs for their taste.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 2 years ago
People just get upset about this because they don't like being shown the truth.
Glasya666 2 years ago
and sorry for my type mistakes, there are a lot i see
parfumess 3 years ago
I'm going to have to send a message to you to actually respond to all that....
I will say this though. Thanks for commenting (all...um....yeah, I don't know how many times....), and I hope you can understand where this video is coming from in my message.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I don't think so. you must understand we are not the only creatures wo can think, pigs have the brain of a 3 year old, emotions included. I don't say you should not eat meat. I see you should think about your world an the animals who live in it, included your fellow man. It is not difficult to eat meat from animals who where treated right, we are just lazy and avaricious.
We forget, that we are just a greedy ape. With our greed we are ruin the planet. (this is not a speech for peta by the way)
parfumess 3 years ago
Well of course were not the only ones who can think! Of course, sponges can't think, and they're animals, so what about them?
1000g2g3g4g800999 2 years ago
We are throw in our own classes.
and al teh amiracans who call themself christian are not, this whole economy is based on egoism.
Me, me ,me. Not helping others en not helping the planet, the planet (if you believe in god)god made for them.
And one other thing, would you abuse a 3 year old and put it in a cage where it can't move and beat it enz?
parfumess 3 years ago
we think we are soooo importand that we can ruin everything we like, beacuse we need cheap meed and eggs paying 2 dollars more is too much and we wanna eat Tuna we don''t care it is almost extinct. US US US! the only thing the planet need is us being gone. If every one the whole worl sould eat 2 times a week vegetarian we could save the planet from c02 for 20 years and water (fivemile liters of water per steak). If everyone should live lik the noord americans will need 5 more planets.
parfumess 3 years ago
If the product where produced biological we need people who work in those industry too.
Byt it is al about profit, yhose creatures are not seen as living creatures but as products.
If the human think it is superior about someting it think is is justified to do what he like, killing the planed (what the meat industry is doing and the fish industry) there will be no tuna over about five years there wil be no eel, a lot of sharks will begone and the planet will be more ruind als because of us,
parfumess 3 years ago
We are not.
You say we use this animals for food so it's justified. It is justified to torture an animal beacause it is for food. What kind of cense makes that? I is not the same of eating a animal from the nomads in Mongolia. Who had a good life and was treated with respect because thwy need the animal too survive from his milk enz. And to say the Amricans NEED meet is stupid, they need too lose weight. And too say we eed the industry for JOBS we plase us above the other animals.
parfumess 3 years ago
we (the european, americans are european and it's still not youre land it is from the Indians we killed) used it for lamp oil. The skin of Jews where used for Lampshades, our hairs was used for pilows..And they did experiments on us.. we where just less, not worthy to be treated rigth.WE where seen as ANIMALS. And if humans see someting as less the think it is JUSTIFIED beacause it is JUST A ANIMAL OR INDIAN or WHAT EVER. WE think we are superior.
parfumess 3 years ago
don't get me wrong,
but we are not better then a cow. And all the quotes you use say we are. This food çonsumption'is about animals, living creatures, who deserve respect/ A lot of my peole died in the hollocoust and i think you CAN compare thes pictures with each other!
The treath the Jews, The African American, the gypsies like that because they saw us as LESS in there eyes we where just not whorty .
Indians where killed because of there fat,
parfumess 3 years ago
These character limits, and "comment limit exceeded" things are getting annoying. Do you want to take this to an MSN messenger conversation or something?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
I've got Yahoo open right now...
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I'd have to find my Yahoo sign in info, I havent used Yahoo messenger in ages. You could email me your contact info if you want to talk on there
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Do you have Windows Live? I realized I have one of those too.
I'll send the contact info in a sec
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I was a heavy-user of the PetaSucks forum for a few months. I already know that place.
So here's one for YOU. Search for the blog "The Abolitionist Approach" and you will see plenty of information on animal rights, abolitionism, and why PETA and other welfarist groups are hurting the movement.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Been there since January, hence why I'm animal welfare. I"ll never advocate the loss of species, no matter which ones or why. I was pissed when they ate that extinct quail, and I'll be pissed if cows go the same route.
Peta-sucks isn't a blog.
It's a forum. 12 step plan itself came from an AR activist.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I know it's not a blog... please read my posts. I was asking that you check out a blog called "The Abolitionist Approach". I asked because you were asking me to check out something too.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Ok, that clears that up. Send me the link and I will.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I can't on YouTube. Just google "Abolitionist Approach"
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
mail. Youtube sucks like that, which is why I tend to spam people with 50 different links.
I'm still not gonna advocate the loss of domestic animals, though. It's just not me. I'll probably always be a welfarist, and since I'm involved directly with the welfare of animals, it only makes sense. Animal rights would cost me my job.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Okay, really this should just stop altogether, because you keep taking what I say and twisting it around.
PETA is NOT animal rights. Pretending they are while supporting the meat industry does not make a group for animal rights. They are LYING. Welfare cannot "bring people to rights". Telling someone that it's okay to exploit animals as long as it's "humane" does the exact opposite. It reinforces the animals status as property & commodities. It PROMOTES animal use.
I DON'T support their agenda
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Just look at peta-sucks. Just look at their actions. Nothing is animal welfare, and I'm sorry, but animal rights advocates the extermination of domestic animals, livestock in particular.
I'm not twisting your words, either.
PeTA uses welfare like this: "Welfare is for making animals happpy!"
"OK!"
"But now, let's go further in making them happy-get rid of them!"
Welfare to PeTA is like the candy on display hiding the rotting fruit inside.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Show me one place where PETA has recommended killing already existing cows.
Either that or show me how a cow suffers by not being born, or how a never-been-born non-existant being is the same as a dead one.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
If animals have rights, then don't they have the right to their basest instincts?
While a non-existent animal may not suffer, the theory of animal rights fails in that animals, if given rights, should have the right to reproduce. Animal rights denies that, and tries to take it into their own hands, determining that they know what's best for the animals.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
"If animals have rights, then don't they have the right to their basest instincts?"
Exactly, which is why they should be free. Not bred into slavery (captivity if you prefer that word) so he/she is unable to live completely naturally.
The right to reproduce isn't the same as the right to be artificially inseminated (raped). And if they reproduce naturally and have the right to that then they have the right to live, to keep their children, and for their children to live (bye bye meat industry)
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Just as I leave this - I want to direct this to everyone else.
The poster of this video likes to keep repeating that I "support PETA" when I've said twice that I don't and am actually against PETA, but please note that I do not support PETA, their welfarist actions, or how they euthanize healthy adoptable animals. No matter how much he accuses me of supporting them.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Again, they're not animal welfare. Look up the definition. PeTA is animal rights. They use welfare to bring people to rights. Welfare is the SPCA.
I'm glad you don't support PeTA, but at the same time you support their agenda.
Then again, I don't think it will matter whether or not you support PeTA when you supported their actions.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
PETA's agenda is to cause commotion and bring attention to their name.
They are NOT about animal rights.
This is why those in the animal rights movement hate PETA, because omnis look at PETA and think that's what animal rights is and use it against the REAL animal rights movement. We are SICK and TIRED of it. AR does not euthanize animals, AR means no-kill. AR is not about "happy" slavery, AR is to abolish it. PETA is NOT the animal rights movement.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
The 'abolition' spells death for those animals, no matter how you look at it. AR activists who hate PeTA do the same thing they do. In the end, it will still spell death.
I'm sorry you believe animal rights is for saving animals. You can't save animals when they're dead.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Not breeding an animal into existance does not equal death. If not being born means death than every woman that doesn't have a child should be in jail for murder, no?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
In North Dakota it does!
All joking aside, I'd rather continue to see the animals than watch them disappear. There's nothing wrong with humane slaughter. 98% of the population agrees with me.
Hence why I'm animal welfare.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
"Humane slaughter"
Think about that.
Humane (well-being) SLAUGHTER (death). How is DYING good for someone? Would death be an enjoyable thing for you? Come on!
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Death would be enjoyable for me if it was the same as cattle slaughter. THEY DON'T FEEL IT. Cattle are hurt more by shots than the bolt gun. That's how it's humane. Inhumane would be the kosher version of slitting their throat and ripping their esophagus out-which does hurt, it stresses the animal out, and is downright cruel in my opinion.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Oh okay, so if I shoot a human in the back of the head so that he isn't aware he is about to die, and he feels no pain, it is "humane".
Painlessly stealing the rest of someone's life away from them is good for their well-being.....really?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
It may not be good for their well-being, but since 98% of America needs meat, and the industry, we choose to not make them suffer. Like I said, we rely on them-for jobs, for food, and a few other things. Maybe there will come a time when they're not needed. That time is not now.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Actually we don't need flesh. There isn't a single nutrient in flesh that cannot be obtained easily in a balanced vegan diet. There are also many other job alternatives out there. If our society went vegan slowly over time there would be new job options.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
The nutrients in meat are easier to digest than in plants. There are also many nutrients in plants we cannot digest.
Truth be told, there's an alternative to everything. What someone chooses is up to the individual.
Going vegan slowly over time may work, but it simply doesn't now.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
We can easily digest it so long as we use our teeth to grind our food. If you have a problem with chewing food properly you will have trouble with absorption.
Also animal protein interferes with the absorption of some nutrients.
I just had a blood test to make sure I was getting all my nutrients (I'm pregnant), and everything was normal.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Hydrochloric acid in our stomach is what enables us to digest food.
And the word I meant to use was absorb. We can absorb protein and B-12 from beef easier than chicken or a vegan substitute.
You can get everything from a vegan diet as easily as a traditional diet. But you're not gonna get it from McDonald's.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Can I responsibly and humanely use you as my slave?
After all you look different from me, have different behaviour, differences in anatomy, different believes and interests... I should be able to do what the heck I want with you, since you are "different" right?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Humane and slave are two words who don't mix. You cannot humanely enslave someone. When you do that, it fails to be slavery and becomes servitude.
Animals are humanely treated, and that's what matters. If they're going to be here, they are going to be treated right. They are here, and they are treated right.
Do yourself a favor and find out the real truth. Go to a farm. Talk to the farmer.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I've LIVED around farms and farmers. I WORKED at a cattle auction and got to listen to farmers talk and laugh about kicking "stupid" calves and beating cows for stupid reasons like "it kicked shit on my pop can".
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Where? Not one rancher acts like that here, at least none who can stay in business. I live next to two, used to work at one, and go to college with a few more. Not one of them has ever laughed about beating animals. The only assholes who are like that are the idiot rednecks in school.
The larger/older facilities treat their animals the same as their pets.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Ontario, Canada and Alberta, Canada.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
If you can excuse enslaving someone simply because they don't have fingers or because they have a tail or fur, then you can excuse enslaving someone simply because they have darker skin, different genitals, or different nationality.
Everyone matters - no matter how "different" they are.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Sorry, I happen to follow BIOLOGY. Biology tells us we're different, from our looks to our DNA. You want real equality? Combine our DNA with theirs. Then there truly will be no difference.
The way it stands is that animals require us to live and us them.
You use black people when you USE THEM to compare to a cow killed humanely. They do not appreciate being called animals again, and you are undermining all the work they have done to bring themselves up to the human level.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
There are biological differences between humans! Especially when you come from a different part of the world. Men and women are even more biologically different. Do you support sexism?
Non-humans DO NOT need to be enslaved! What a sick thing to say! Tell me why a junglefowl couldn't have been left as a junglefowl instead of being bred to be a topheavy, domesticated chicken to be confined, abused, and killed for human pleasure!
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Chickens did NOT come from jungle fowl, neither did turkeys. Even game hens are plains birds. Did you know? Release a chicken, and it dies.
The DNA of men and women are the same. That won't change. But the DNA of a chicken is different. They have different adaptations. Too bad for you. Go back to high school.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Domesticated animals aren't just created by man in a lab out of chemicals. They are made through manipulation of wild species. Genetic research has suggested that the domesticated chicken likely descended from both Red and the Grey Junglefowl. (Do some research and see).
SO WHAT about DNA! Do we teach our kids to be kind to others because of their DNA design? Is it wrong for me to hit someone because hitting HURTS or just because of DNA?? Come on!
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Those species have been 'manipulated' for over 10,000 years. Of course, nothing on them has been manipulated. That would require us actually doing something other than selecting and breeding the best traits.
You act as though we torture animals before they're killed. We do not. You have been lied to about that. Why not find out for yourself rather than advocating the destruction of over 1.5 million species?
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Wow you don't know anything about the domestication process either! Domestication requires manipulating a species through selective breeding. This was done with junglefowl to make a bird that can no longer fly, and grows so fast that her legs may collapse under her own weight when she's still a baby, and may even die of heart-attack simply because she has been bred to grow too fast.
I have found out for myself. I have done an ABUNDANCE or research. I have witnessed it firsthand & so has family
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
If someone doesn't appreciate being called an animal then he/she is a speciesist. WE ARE ANIMALS. It is not something to be ashamed of. You are not a plant or a mighty god. You are an ANIMAL. Human supremacy is a bias that's all in your head. You are just another species of animal among many.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Call a black man an animal. Go ahead. Call a Jew an animal. THAT'S what you are failing to grasp. They don't appreciate it. Use something else in your tactics, and maybe people will respect you more. As it stands, simply because of your beliefs, I find you to support the extermination of domestic animals, right down to goldfish. You also fail to grasp that you piss people off, thus your intelligence must not be that high.
I advocate animal welfare, the RESPONSIBLE use of animals. It's humane.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Yes a speciesist black man might get offended. Yes, a speciesist Jewish person might get offended. Yes, a speciesist white man might also get offended. SPECIESISTS get offended. Of course they do.
Racists get offended too when I try to explain to them why racism is wrong. I'm not going to stop speaking out against racism simply because some I hurt some white supremacist's feelings.
I do not support killing enslaved animals, only not breeding them into slavery. Slavery is NEVER humane.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
They're not slaves. For them to be slaves, they'd have to be human. They're not. We are their guardians. So SOME people treat them as slaves. I know a rancher who treats his cattle better than his family.
You do support killing animals-you support PeTA. They kill animals. In fact, they kill for no reason.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
We are over animals
1. The Bible placed us as their guardians.
2. We have free thought. They don't.
Are we better than animals? Yes and no. Should we abuse them? No. We have laws to remedy that.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
AGAIN I AM NOT EXPLOITING SOMEONE WHEN I CONDEMN THEIR EXPLOITATION.
So if I stand with a sign saying "Stop racism" I'm "using black people"?
If I tell an anti-sexism activist who is racist that blacks feel just as much as women do, then I'm "using women"?
Your speciesism is BLINDING you!
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Just as a thought-since you seem to think animals deserve equal rights, what about pit bull type dogs? Do they deserve to live? PeTA doesn't think so. But then, PeTA loves killing animals. 97% last year. So you're exploiting people AND animals by supporting PeTA.
IF those ads weren't offensive, then no one would have been offended. It's as simple as that, and that's what YOU fail to see.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Yes pit bulls deserve to live.
I know PETA kills animals that's why I am against them. I told you from the beginning that I don't support welfarist PETA.
I hate PETA. What I support is the abolitionist animal rights movement.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
PeTA is not animal welfare. They're very clear on this. They advocate animal rights, right down to a KKK demonstration at the Westminster Kennel Club dog show.
You did win a little respect back.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Ack, let me leave! :P lol
Okay I gotta clear this up first.
PETA IS for animal welfare, they are just liars. They work with the meat industry to get them to kill animals "more humanely" and then call them "compassionate" when they do. They work with them to increase their profits! This is completely against the animal rights movement, and most omnis don't know this but PETA has NOTHING to do with the real animal rights movement. Most activists are against PETA.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
go to peta-sucks(dot)com. I think there's a few things you'll find about the 'welfarist' PeTA. As in they're for the total destruction of all domestic animals, which is animal rights.
PeTA is hypocritical in the fact that they own large parts of meat-based restaurants, but they are not animal welfare. Animal welfare wouldn't have a "Holocaust on your plate" for any reason.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I don't need to....I used to use their forums all the time.
They talk as if they are for animal rights, but they the do welfarist actions. They are liars and hypocrites. They claim to want to abolish speciesism and then act to support it.
Well the definately aren't for animal rights.
In truth they are probably animal-nothing. Just a "Hey look at me!" attention-loving group.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
You'l also find the 12 step plan to a no animal nation-brought to you by animal rights.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
They advocate "happy meat". Animal rights = against "happy meat". They eutha nize healthy animals. Animal rights = against euthanizing healthy adoptable dogs.
The KKK thing had nothing to do with animal rights. PETA does these things simply to get attention. I don't know a single REAL activist who supports that campaign, just the welfarist "OmG PeTa is KeWL!!1" preteens and the animal rights posers at PETA.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
PeTA has many times called happy meat a joke created by livestock ranchers to entice people to eat more meat. No, the KKK has nothing to do with animal rights, but that was PeTA's demonstration. Everyone on peta2 and peta forums is animal rights, and those who aren't quickly leave.
Seriously, go to peta-sucks. You'll find a lot of shit there about PeTA, including the true face of animal welfare. PeTA is for the blatant destruction of all domestics.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
You seriously don't know what the animal rights movement really is. If you were a vegan I'd say go to Vegan Freaks Forum where all the abolitionists are and mention supporting PETA - you would get your ass chewed out for it.
Why should I go back to a site I spent a few hours a day on? I told you I used to use the forum. I already know that stuff.
Just because some anti-PETA person says PETA is animal rights that doesn't make it true. Animal rights does not mean the right to be eaten,
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Which forum? Peta-sucks, or peta?
If you want to see animal rights truly masquerading as animal welfare, try the HSUS. PeTA's younger cousin.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
PetaSucks. I used to use the PETA forums further back when I was a welfarist. When I became an animal rights abolitionist I became disgusted with PETA's actions and abandoned support.
HSUS is not animal rights either. They are an INSULT to the animal rights movement. They support "humane" (gag) animal exploitation, like "free-range" eggs.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
"What do they know - all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka."
Isaac Bashevis Singer
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Oh, yes, you're not using them, you're advocating them! How could I have been so wrong! You know, it was only the entire Jewish community and the NAACP who was pissed off at them, it was only the Jewish community and the NAACP who demanded an apology. I guess you're the only one who can determine whether or not somene's being used.
I don't care if you're vegan. I do care if you use my fellow humans for your stunts.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
I'll say it again - I AM NOT USING SOMEONE BY CONDEMNING THEIR EXPLOITATION.
It is not my fault that they are angry because of their own prejudice. They have been a victim of prejudice so they should know better than to subject others to it.
I bet a lot of white racists got pissed off and demanded an apology because anti-racists compared them to black people - but isn't that THEIR fault for having a prejudice against blacks?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
That's what you may want to think, but YOU ARE USING THEM. They are not happy about it. It is possible to advocate veganism (which is by no means cruelty free) WITHOUT USING PEOPLE.
It is your fault they are angry.
Comparing white people to black people is nothing like comparing hung black people to dead cows-when you skin people, we look the same. But humans have no hooves, only one stomach, and a full set of teeth. Big difference.
I only hope you find you just how pissed they are, the hard way
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
AGAIN I AM NOT USING THEM.
SPEAKING OUT AGAINST EXPLOITATION IS NOT EXPLOITATION.
It is NOT my fault if they are human supremacists. Their species bias is their own.
And now you are saying someone only matters if they LOOK like you! That is the same way of thinking as a racist who judges someone by their skin colour! Surely what matters is that someone FEELS, not their colour, shape, number of legs, IQ, skills, age, gender, sexual orientation, language, behaviour, etc.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Twisting words does not make them true. If it did, the NAACP and the Jewish community WOULD NOT CARE.
Your species bias leads you to abuse your own. As I said, it is possible to advocate for animals without exploiting people. I believe the SPCA pulls it off very well.
Show me someone who's biologically the same as a cow and I'll show you someone who's not human. BIOLOGY also tells us we're omnivores.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
The SPCA doesn't pull off anything. They are welfarists trying to get people to treat their "property" nicely. They are a speciesist organization who cares about being "kind" to puppies but turns their backs on so many animals enslaved for their flesh. They are not part of the movement to abolish the slavery of non-humans.
You don't have to be the same as someone else for them to matter! You are not the same as me....should I be allowed to enslave you?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Yep. I'll take welfare over the extinction of domestic animals any day. I'd rather have my cow and eat it too, rather than just letting them disappear. That's what your precious animal rights is for. Congratulations. Seems pretty Hitler-esque to me. You're picking which animals get to stick around.
Speaking of Hitler, you're also deciding everything for the animals. I thought they were supposed to have their own rights? Why are you deciding for them? I say let them choose for themselves!
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
So should people stop fighting for the rights of children and infants? They don't stand up for their own rights. I guess we shouldn't care about people shaking babies to death and drowning them. Since those lazy babies aren't getting on the streets with signs and standing up for themselves.
No if anyone's closer to Hitler it's speciesists who believe that might makes right. Not those who are against that belief. Might does NOT make right.
Choose love and mercy, not domination and exploitation
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour toward creatures, all men were Nazis.
-- Isaac Bashevis Singer (HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR)
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
"One day the absurdity of the almost universal human belief in the slavery of other animals will be palpable. We shall then have discovered our souls and become worthier of sharing this planet with them."
Martin Luther King, Jr
The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men.
~Alice Walker
"Ïnjustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"
Martin Luther King
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
"Quotes do not make anything more truthful. Truth lies in the thoughts and beliefs of the individual."
What you believe to be the truth is abhorrent to those it relates to. The blacks and the Jews who were used are outraged, and PeTA has lost support because of it. They will continue to lose support until PeTA is no more. They will learn the hard way why you don't use people to further your agenda.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
"The blacks and the Jews who were used are outraged"
Only the speciesist ones, and it's not PETA's fault they're speciesist. Many blacks and Jews supported it. In fact, a lot of people who worked on the campaign were victims or lost family members to racism or antisemitism, and are fighting to stop humans from putting non-humans what they went through.
It's not "using" people, it's speaking out AGAINST using people, both human and non-human, black and white, man and woman - ANYONE.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
I am not "using black people" to "further my agenda". Their oppression is PART of it! I want to work to stop ALL PREJUDICE, OPPRESSION, and INJUSTICE. What was done to sentient beings simply because of the colour of their skin is disgusting and that's why it's part of this fight. That's why it's mentioned. Because racism IS wrong. JUST AS sexism, speciesism and homophobia are wrong.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
"Surely you can convince them it's ok to call them cattle."
Understanding that we are all in the Animal Kingdom is not the same as calling a group of humans "cows" (cattle).
I said humans are animals. I NEVER claimed that humans are cows.
That doesn't even make sense.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
It makes no sense that you think it's ok to compare the black slave trade to the livestock industry either. You are a sick individual to think that that's ok. Just because we belong to Animalia does not mean we are above them. We're homo sapien, they're not.
Insects are animals too, and you have no qualms about kililng them for your food.
What about the deer killed to keep your food safe from them? I guess they don't matter either.
Using black people to further your agenda is WRONG.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
It is not sick to compare the oppression of one group of victims to another. Supporting the oppression of any sentient being is what is truly sick.
I do not support the deliberate, unnecessary, and AVOIDABLE killing of ANY sentient being. You are comparing the indirect to the direct. Car accidents kill people. Does that mean if I buy a car and drive it I might as well DELIBERATELY run over people?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
Ok, if it is not sick, then why don't you tell them that? I'm sure they'd love to hear it.
Don't support it-too bad only about 2% of the population gives a rat's ass whether you do or not. Meat is not unnecessary, biology tells us we're omnivores. There's an alternative to everything, but just because it's there does not mean it's available to the common person, not when vegan food is 3 times higher than meat.
I support the humane use of animals.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Sure I already do compare speciesism to racism when speaking to the public.
And as for flesh being "necessary", tell me ONE nutrient that you think cannot be found in a vegan diet and I will tell you where to get it.
Please read "Animals Suffer a Perpetual "Holocaust"" by Stephen R. Dujack. and tell me what you think of that.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
If we were on the same level as animals, we would not have civilization, which also happened to be built on the backs of animals.
A cow may be just as sentient as a human, but it still follows base instincts, which puts it lower than us, seeing as how we don't follow instinct. Call it wrong, but what PeTA has done is unforgiveable, plain and simple.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
WE ARE ANIMALS - take a biology course!
We too run on many instincts. For example, I have a maternal instinct. We have pain instincts that cause us to pull away from pain without thinking. Do you consider whether or not to pull your hand off of a hot burner? Or does the pain sensation cause your body to automatically respond?
Yes animals, have instincts. Human and non-human alike.
Who are you to criticize the oppression of a race, when you support the oppression all other species?
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
So, if we are animals, then I guess animal testing is relevant now?
If animals are equal to us, where are their cities? Their monuments? Why must they have someone speak for them? Surely if they could understand us they could find some way to communicate.
Why not walk into the NAACP and speak this? Go ahead. Surely you can convince them it's ok to call them cattle.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
No one is equal to anyone. Everyone is unique and that's a GOOD thing. A human child does not make great inventions, but he still has value because he can FEEL. A mentally handicapped person may never build, drive, or be able to live life like most other humans but he still has value because he is still a SOMEONE with FEELINGS. Human infants are even less capable of many things than many non-human animals.
It's about equal CONSIDERATION, you don't have to be identical to matter.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
If you are offended by a black human being compared to a cow, that is your own fault, because you're a speciesist. Just like a racist might get offended if you compare him to someone of another race. Cows are JUST as sentient as humans. Humans are just ONE species of animal among MANY.
Species bias is just as wrong as racial bias or gender bias. NO ONE is property.
VeganButterfly 3 years ago
So according to you, it's ok to compare these people to animals? Only one person has ever stated something so anti-human, and he's mental.
Definition of sentience: Being conscious or aware; being able to feel pain and pleasure.
Animals rely on instinct. We rely on THOUGHT. When a cow stops following instinct, let me know.
I am offended by people being compared to animals. They don't deserve it. They've been through enough already, and I can only hope you experience something similar.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago
Well, they tried to cozy up to Obama, who was smart enough to ignore them. As far as I know, the family of the guy who got killed in Manitoba sued and won, and PeTA was forced to remove these campaigns, so it looks like PeTA's losing on all fronts, which is a huge blessing for anyone who knows the true animal rights agenda.
t3huch1h4k4pp4 3 years ago