Co-pilot error causes ANA plane to plunge - 29Sep2011

[tjohn6041]

Looks like that B-52 and C-17 that crashed, but at altitude.

[alruin4531]

737s are known to have un- ergonomic,cramped cockpits. Boeing should have made a hatch on that trim knob.

[Alchaeon1]

Saying sorry in the USA and most other western nations has legal repurcussions - that is a public admission of guilt.

There are also cultural and personal ego aspects to an apology given.

Have you ever heard the Royal Family apologise for anything they or their ancestors have done in the past?

The Japanese Emperor as well as Government officials and PMs have often issued public apologies for various transgressions or errors

Honour in Japan has to be practiced rather than just spoken about

[Alchaeon1]

19,000 metres in 30 seconds?

You mean 1900 metres - its only a zero but the difference is extreme

a pane travellling at 19,000 metres in 30 seconds would be speeding along at 2280 km/hr. almost Mach 2.

And of course commerical jet liners fly at their crusing altitudes of 10,000 to 12,000 metres.

So how can the plane plumet 19,000 metres in 30 seconds?

[luskentyre1984]

How come thee is subtitles here? I Can understand every word she says fine

[Bluexs79]

@luskentyre1984 Simple reason... Deaf want know what they says

[luskentyre1984]

@Bluexs79 oh yeah, my bad, never thought of them. In the UK, they have people to bottom of screen, to the side, doing sign language

[kenpalmer1965]

This looked scary indeed! But I don't care how much training a pilot or co-pilot has had, mistakes are bound to be made.

[JackDaScarecrow]

Pilots: We are sorry we have dishonored our country brought shame to our company and all the pilots of Japan we deserve death to atone for our disgrace we will now commit hara kiri....

[1ryanrs]

Part of the ATPL training and even PPL in aircraft technical states that all controls should 'Look and feel different' so as not to mistakenly operate the wrong control! It therefore cannot be entirely the fault of the 1st officer, I would say this control needs re-designing.

[khatpandwa]

Really ?

[hogerbaksteen]

are those subtitles?

[bigred312]

1:46 took him forever to say that one small sentence lol

[292675]

They're lucky that the co-pilot's mistake didn't tear the joint apart between the rudder and fuselage. Hopefully they inspected the rudder after the event.

[FLIGHTANIMATION]

19,000 meters... Whatever you say! LMAO!

[local1114]

look before you touch...

[farfetch7]

I wish I was on that flight. I would been like Red Bull.....Gives you wings.

[juddromano]

The Japanese are the most courteous and most polite people around.

[titanascar]

LOL THE TOILET!!!!

[theIDKer]

i wouldn't be standing up in the aisle

[mikel1982]

what was with the combover fashion show at the end.

[DiamondPilotDan]

holy crap the captain must have been like WTF R U DOING LET ME IN

[Chris4400]

Holy shit.

[4NICK8TER1]

Wingover in a 737....nice

[LordFabs]

There you have it, locking the cockpit door nearly caused a disaster. And it has caused a few, too. Dumbest concept ever given to the world direct from america

[localcrew]

It is a tradition in Japan to show everyone your horrible comb-overs if you've screwed up somehow. These guys deserved it. Totally.

[jrmelendres]

sorry? fuck you! u almost kill those innocent lives!

[Einhander49]

Well, that pilot is out of a job. And error of this kind from a Japanese company is beyond reproach. I wouldn't be surprised if the pilot ends up committing suicide because of the shame. But that's the Japanese train of thought - they take stuff like this extremely seriously.

[shamandgg]

It clearly shows that this particular rudder control should be redesigned. F.e. securely covered.

[321Huan]

19000 metres fall ? they must be in Mariana Trench !

[chuzzwozzer]

@321Huan Lol, they were in low earth orbit apparently!

[321Huan]

the pilots were completely drunk !

[101HeyNow]

lol 19,000 meters is about 60,000 feet.

[Randomnick123]

I think that cultural differencies make western countries think that saying sorry, is just a word. What I believe, if Japanese people say sorry and bow, it's more than words. They really take serious these kind of things.

[gcorbalan]

@Randomnick123 I really liked your comment!

[cameronwick]

@Randomnick123 Yea...sure......fukushima. cough

[lebensraummetal]

@Randomnick123 Yeah, when japs say sorry, it means losing a lot of face.

[HittokiriBatosai]

@Randomnick123 Not to mention an airline or any corporation issuing an apology is practically unheard of in western culture and one of the reasons it's avoided is because it can be used against you in court as an admission of guilt. Pretty ridiculous, I think.

[TheYawun]

@Randomnick123 ....which is why service in japan is excellent and service in the UK is appalling. We should learn from you.

[RutinaRottis]

Why japanies think that asking forgivnes is enough? Like nuclear companies repeatitly said they are sorry, but never made any changes their safety prosedures.

[plsniper]

I feel so bad for the pilots.

[psy101514]

at some point, i thought she said "an all nipple airways flight"

[210482fmj]

A test pilot once rolled a boeing 707 and said it was a 1g manouver.

[LateNightCable]

"The Captain was returning to the cockpit from the toilet" - that makes the story right there, lol.

[OsianFilm]

he said that many things and it translated to only "we are sincerely sorry"....

[averredude101]

@OsianFilm the translation is shit isn`t it, I speak Japanese and he said a lot more than sorry

[plsniper]

@averredude101 FULL TRANSLATION - I was in the toilet getting a blow job from the head flight attendant. I came so hard, that my legs became wobbly and weak. When I walked back into the cockpit, I hit the rudder control. Sorry for the mistake, but if you people can't take a joke, you can kiss all of our asses. (that's when they all bend over)

[henrycastillo]

amazing airplane but it wasn't time for those kind of flying stunts! don't you think? love those Japanese!

[Tilan123]

Pffffffffffffffffft. Those pilots were totally having fun!

[andersbuer]

Must have been 19 000 ft.

[Nassault630]

Certainly goes to show the amounts of stress a 737 can take, very impressive, Boeing, (despite the scare of the passengers.)

[qothesa]

In japan after a public speech it is mandatory that those present check the speakers for head lice immediatly afterwards.

[mrkhoros]

why does it have subtitle ?

[kiwiblinks]

@mrkhoros wt troll Q is this

[mrkhoros]

@kiwiblinks im serious dude . the woman speaks English very well in a good accent why should she have subtitle ?

[kiwiblinks]

@mrkhoros well do you take deaf people into consideration who might also be watching.lol

[mrkhoros]

@kiwiblinks that i did not . thanks

[The787guy]

@mrkhoros exactly

[innersilencedotcom]

19.000 m in 30 seconds? really? if we divide 19.000 by 30 we get 633 m/s which translates into mach 1.90. that's.. childish, to say the least. and what were they doing in the stratosphere? perhaps they were descending from flight level 1000? :)) funny

[airplanelov]

let's buy an A320 xd

[dwildkat]

Did boeing really place the cockpit door knob close to the Rudder trim on the 737....I'll have to check that out, seems like a less-than-smart design move to me

[meadowluv]

imagine if you were going to the bathroom during this...

[JUFFAIR101]

@meadowluv

ahahahahahah

[lsmith1981]

@meadowluv taking a Nice Dumb at that lol..

[leonelp51]

@meadowluv have you seen jackass 3D ? if you did ... remember the toilet steve - o scene ... something like that xD

[Randomnick123]

@leonelp51

I think ones be happy in the toilet upside down, than in passenger side with 300 persons shitting themselves.

[fraroc]

This does remind me of the China Airlines 747SP that almost crashed back in febuary of 1985...

[JUFFAIR101]

@fraroc

what happend exactly

[SEXYBEAST96GTA]

XD

[MisterSunson]

Is it quite dark inside cockpit at night?!

[RocketBird120]

@MisterSunson Typically, yeah. Most pilots turn the lights down in the cockpit at night. It helps them see outside.

[XxMutilatedxX]

Dear god, I woulda shit my pants if I was on that flight o_o

[Shanek320]

FMS1RNP5...The Captain vs Co-Pilot gradient was not an issue in this incident. The design of the rudder trim and door unlock rotary switches are one of the main reasons for this error by the F/O.What he did was make a mistake with regards to his instinctive selection of the incorrect switch.No-one died,the aircraft survived and 737 operators will immediately bring in some sort of SOP to prevent this occurring again. That's why flying is the safest mode of transport. Aviators learn from aviators!

[FMS1RNP]

The way it is right now: The Captain is always right, the First Officer never touches anything and only does what the captain tells him to do! Maybe they should change they crappy way of thinking, so that the First Officer gets used to the plane and to avoid such rookie mistakes...

[CHUCKYCHUCKYBOBUCY]

The Japanese are so much more respectful than Americans. Their corporations look like non-profit charities when their behavior is compared to that of American corporations.

[deltacrane]

Well well now...i always thought that the ailerons controlled the "flipping motion" of an aircraft. I didn't know that the Japanese managed to develop ground breaking flight controls which allows the rudders to "flip" the plane.

[kevrod63]

@deltacrane The secondary effect of rudder is roll. Hold rudder in one direction and the aircraft will yaw. The changing angle of attack causes a roll in the direction of the yaw. All model aircraft with rudder only (no ailerons) are turned using this principle. So sorry, no ground breaking principle involved.

[JeremyB787]

A mysterious incident, or accident I would say. Actually the co-pilot shouldn't be able to twist the wrong button if he's well trained. And it's definitely an amazing miracle that the 737 would be able to land safely.

[Pvjinflight]

@JeremyB787 Its not amazing that it landed safely, it didnt stall or anything, pilots just needed to take it back from dive.

But anyway this is one example about why I think that Airbus philosophy is better, pilots do make errors and probably thousands of people have died because of simple pilot error that have caused plane to overbank/stall, things that cant happen on Airbus when everything is working.

[darrenthe747]

@Pvjinflight Air France 447 shows the flaws in the Airbus philosophy. No matter how much you try to safeguard all these things, we are always going to be one incompetent human being away from a disaster every time an airplane takes off.

[Pvjinflight]

@darrenthe747 Not really. Airbus philosophy prevents pilots from stalling the plane AS LONG AS critical systems are working normally. Now pitot tubes ( that are on every airplane and used to get airspeed data) froze because of design error (they were not made by Airbus), so naturally stall prevention cant work when it has no speed data, and plane wents to "Boeing mode", where pilot has full control. Its called alternate mode actually.

[Pvjinflight]

@darrenthe747 The difference is that Boeing can be easily stalled when everything is working normally, Airbus only when everything is not allright. Also Airbus prevents pilot from overbanking the plane which has also resulted in crashes.

Its better to safeguard them and prevent pilots from stalling / overbanking the plane at least when plane is working normally than not to safeguard at all like Boeing does.

[poundandeliot]

ppp

[jbcamprocklover]

That must've been really scary especially you couldnt see since it was at night!

[1skullduggery]

just tape a little note on the rudder control switch that says "no", or the japanese equivalent in this case. hey, it worked in 'apollo 13'.

[GreatDespair]

Give this pilot DARWIN AWARD!!!

[yaql]

This issue must be looked at closely and the investigation should reveal what went wrong as to my understating the B737 had such un-commanded Rudder input before on several occasions on other airlines and some of which were fatal accidents , so we have to wait and see what the NTSB & Boing have to say about that. Thank you

[TalkToTheBody]

@yaql You are very right, new B737 New Gen aircraft are now sold with a standby rubber system whereas earlier models were not, they just had one actuator. I am not sure if this 737-700 has been modified or not, time will tell. I cannot for one minute believe a F/O twisting the rudder trim control instead of turning a door lock release switch. Most of the uncommanded hard roll-overs have thankfully resulted in a recovered aircraft without loss of life.

[Infenomeno]

1900 meters, not 19000

[Iamfukenripped]

Wow ... when you think about the forces going on at that moment... its amazing they managed to recover.. and that the plane held together... Accidents happen, at least everyone lived.

[jojo270003]

okay... whose the smart guy that put the barrel roll button next to the open cabin door button?

[Thediggitydoggg]

Why do I think it's so hilarious that they all bowed after their apology? Random customs are funny.

[MachOverspeedsPlace]

"Accidentally flipped the rudder control switch"

Haha. No, First Officer (Pilot Flying) went to TURN the Cabin Door selector, and instead grasped the Rudder Trim and freakin' cranked it hard-over, far as it would go, as if her giving the Cabin Door selector a twist.

It's a thousand wonders that he didn't rip the entire vertical stabilizer off the airplane and kill everybody.

Wasn't there, so can't say for sure, but I'd bet the F.O. was one of those low-time/experience ab initio guys

[MattySP34Ks]

He was flying a fucking plane, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT BITCH?

[choclatdrop16]

Alot of planes falling out of the sky. Birds too. hmmm....

[JephyrX]

Pretty scary if you were on-board! Perhaps that door switch should be MOVED!! : )

[SharkDude1]

A japanese co-pilot.. Really? These people can't even drive a car, and yet they fly airplanes. Too Funny!!

[tabamoura]

@SharkDude1 oh ,you think they bring fat fucks from America to fly their planes in Japan? You are probably a lot safer flying with a Japanese pilot than in a real Japanese airline than with these jet connection companies branded as Delta Connection, Continental express, etc.. they are all subcontractors where the pilots and copilots make 30K per year .

[ihmen]

lol if the plane really fell 19km in 30 seconds it would be traveling at nearly twice the speed of sound.

[dustz33]

19.000metres? Did not know ANA bought the decommissioned Space Shuttles....

Correct figure is 1.900m or about 6,000ft

[shalcall]

You would never see executives at an American company apologize like that for anything.  The plane could have crashed into a hospital full of nursing babies due to cost cutting on maintenance and you'd never hear an apology out of an executive. You'd probably hear something along the lines of "stop whining."

[johnyringoz]

@shalcall

Just like American Airlines Flight 11 & United Airlines Flight 175 that flew into the World Trade Center Towers & American Airlines Flight 77 flew the plane into the Pentagon & United Airlines Flight 93 crashed the plane into the ground near Shanksville, Pennsylvania...

...for example.

[rogerlee337]

@shalcall BULLSHIT



[rdhr151]

@shalcall thats because few if any American executives know the true meaning of shame as these executives do.

[boelkstoffschlucker]

uh, I think that was 19'000 feet rather than meters :)

[projectdurden]

Disasters and accidents are very rare in Japan. Nothing to see here.

[dpcnull]

At the end I almost expected them to pull out swords and thrust them into their own stomachs.

Anyway, this was very shoddy reporting. The plane plunged 19 KILOMETERS (61k feet), you say? How fucking stupid and high must you be to realize that figure sounds a bit off? Even the most aviation-ignorant shits out should have thought that number is a little bit high.

[Sweet2Rani]

omg, if I had been a passenger in this plane, I would have been in fear of death !

[niallrogers]

Being that I currently attend the top aviation school in the world, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, pointing out an error does not make me... let's just say "stupid".

[OralMaster]

@niallrogers the SIM one?

[metdawg08]

@niallrogers No, but replying in such a manner makes you sound like a pompous arse.

[matthiashaenni]

@niallrogers You are right! Definitely a mistake! Pretty sure they meant 1'900 metres not 19'000!

[crazendisturbed]

@niallrogers if you have the money it's pretty easy to get in. If you're going to be a pilot from that school that'll take out about 150,000 in loans over 4 years is really stupid. Especially when your starting pay is minimum wage. Take my advice and switch to the maintenance program. You have a better shot in getting a job and you could tack on a pilot's license if you really want to fly.

[niallrogers]

@crazendisturbed Interestingly enough, I'm an engineering physics major (we make "money", not to mention ERAU's EP students have had a 100% job employment to a place of preference for over the past decade). Oh yeah, being that the Department of Veteran's Affairs is paying my tuition in full and the U.S. Treasury pays me a very generous stipend to live off of, I think Embry-Riddle was the right choice. Ok? I'd like to thank you and your tax money :)

[MasterAsra]

That pilot deserves a medal or something, and that copilot should be fired.

[DJTrololol]

@niallrogers Don't be stupid.