Libertarians dont want no laws, but they think someone with common sense can determine what that person can and cant do for himself. Obviously you have none of yourself :) its okay though, many people are like you. No judgement on your idiocracy here :)
I find it funny. All these libertarians rushing here to defend their idiocy. I applaud the poster in her bravery. Speak your mind. Ignore the negative responders. American Libertarianism is a twisted fallacy.
Oh and if the 19th and 18th century were your paradise, I guess that means you would own black people. Or rub shoulders with those that would and or have.
@placebonation he explained himself in the top comment that it wasnt very libertarian because the slaves didnt have liberty. im not libertarian but if ur going to make an argument against someone else, read what they said first.
I wonder if she knows how dumb she sounds...."Help me! I can't think for myself and I need government to decide how I will live out my pathetic existence!" You are an embarrassment to our species.
I think your clueless as to what libertarianism is. Libertarianism isn't having no laws, its having a small federal governemt in order to protect freedoms. Its obvious you'v been drinking the kool-aid from the mainstream media, into believe there lies about how freedom is bad, liberty is bad, ron paul is an isolationist, etc... You want thr government to make choices for you? go ahead, see how far that gets you, may god have mercy on your soul, sheep.
Iraq is not a libertarian state... at all... its lost somewhere in the zone of an anarchist theoracy crossed with American totalitarianism, and Somalia is just an a plain anarchist state... So Libertarians wouldn't fit in. Not only have you not read a history book, but you lack the knowledge of world affairs to make any sort of statement. Libertarians for the most part recognize the system and still want to do away with it because they understand its flaws and hope to see a truly equal America.
sure argue against libertarians but learn what they are first... we dont want to do everything on our oun we just want to make our own choices. i dont want to pay half of what i make every year to the government just so they can decide how i spend my money
@buzman1985 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
libertarians believe in limited government, so that freedom is maximized. government is here to protect, your life liberty and property. libertarians believe you have NO right to goods or services. because they are commodities , and they have to be created by other people, and you don't have a right to other peoples property. to say that you get you wealth , because society allows to to make it, refers to a collective society, which is the basis of socialism and communism. ASK ELISABETH WARREN!
If what you do does not harm others or put yourself in immediate danger then it should not be the concern of our government what you do and it should be put up for public debate. You clearly don't understand the idea of civil and individual liberty. Also, interventionalist, big government agendas by the left and the right will bankrupt this country and we will fall like the romans and soviets before us. Go study the Constitution then come back to us.
claims to talk want to talk about libertarian ideas
>trashes libertarians for a minute
Mam, your opinion on libertarianism and its subscribers is racist, sexist and facile. Please don't throw mud in the face of the feminist movement by abandoning understanding and replacing it with hyperbolic statements and groundless attacks in the hope that you may gain some superficial rhetorical advantage.
BULLSHIT! I'm a Libertarian, & I support the Constitution as Ron Paul does. "People" like yourself want a banker run nanny state because you're too weak, or stupid to make it on your own. Thse countries you mentioned are NOT Libertarian societies either, they are FEUDAL societies run by WARLORDS, not at all what a Libertarian society would look like. BTW, America is a Constitutional Republic, NOT a Democracy like you think it is. Rule of law, vs. mob "rule".
Somalia and Iraq are not Libertarian paradises. The closest Libertarian paradise we've had, in my opinion, is 18th and 19th century America, however, even then, it wasn't very Libertarian, as there were many people without social freedom, the slaves. Libertarianism ≠ Anarchism, the sooner people learn that, the sooner viable arguments against Libertarians will arise.
there is no substance to your arguement. all you said was that you hate the white male college student. there are more tough laws in iraq and syria you r a clueless moron
Make me your slave whore bitch, I like abuse, as a woman there is nothing I like more than spending my money and the money of some poor manslobs on useless overpriced crap I use to decorate my home. If the government wants me to pay to subsidize corn and then to pay more to inflate the price of corn syrup, fine by me. I am particularly for the right of a woman to squeeze out as many illegitimate children as she can so I can pay her to sit at home and make more. Guns 4 criminals! I'm on the rag.
You idiot lol. You are ridiculous, you display your lack of intelligence as well as your spineless fear. Fuck you and the government, dumb ass statist slave!
No you're wrong for thinking it was a good idea to post this video on the INTERNET where Ron Paul and Libertains already rule domain here. The ratings on this video proves your argument invalid...
I'm not saying you have to agree with libertarianism, but I think as far as people go libertarians are very knowledgeable about politics (more than republicans and democrats at least) and can tell you legit reasons for any belief.
So what Do you practically do to make a living form the system (food clothing shelter,social company) is the current system working for you ? what personal time do you put in and put back to a system we are unable to live outside of. its just another idea from the imagination, humans like to own them in order to cope with a lack of needs being met from a complex reality of imperfections.
Those countries do not have the constitution. We aren't against laws. Who do you think would be in a better position to decide what is best for you? What do you think of the idea of letting someone you have never met make your decisions for you?
Please understand the difference between Anarchy and Libertarian-ism. Also, please EXPLAIN TO ME, how Iraq is or ever was a Libertarian country? Or Somalia? Are you trying to make the argument that living in a Libertarian society essentially means living under a murderous, theocratic, dictator?
To give you some helpful advice for your future: You will sound a lot smarter in life when you actually understand what it is that you are trying to argue for or against...
BOO, nobody needs to explain shit to u cus obvious u have no clear grasp at what libertarian is and the demographics so u probably wont understand if Thomas Jefferson himself tried to teach you.....n by the way that is a extremely bias opionion anyways cus ur judging your opionions off of "white, male, college students" u kno, im a mexican amercian male from texas and i barely started going to college last month n i been believing in liberitarian principles for years.....
we spend more on our military then the entire world put together by a longshot, half of our entire budget is devoted to the military, the states a forced into a homogeneous form in order to recoup funds that the federal government has taken from them in the first place, our laws and regulations have gotten out of control and our politicians need to start doing whats best for the country instead of doing the statous quo,Should all laws and government bodies be removed, no, but our system is broke
Respectfully, you need to do some of your own homework from. Sounds like you are assuming your collectivist teachers and friends are not to be questioned. That is what they are hoping for/counting on.Check out Mises Institute on line. There is a wealth of information there. You seem like a nice person who cares about the truth. If so, do your own homework, think critically, examine the ends/means schemes, the underlying principles, and the history of the various philosophies. You won't regret it
Your understanding of liberterianism is very naive. It doesn't support the idea of the individual as an island unto itself. Far from it. The core of libertarianism gives power to the individual rather then an authoritarian. It limits the governments role to the protection of property. Did you know you can be a socialist libertarian? That's right! This describes Noam Chompsky's personal political view. Also, those countries you mention are authoritarian states of the most extreme kind.
Discrediting a philosophy based on those who subscribe to it is not an argument. Empirical questions of the characteristics of libertarians aside, would you really want to justify an idea based on the race and gender of those who espouse it? If I discredited an idea based on non-white females supporting it, what does that make me? Secondly, I would suggest some reading regarding race and markets, such as The State Against Blacks by Walter Williams. Thirdly, anarchy means no ruler, not no rules.
Yeah there will be priviledge, yeah their will be unequal access to resources - but guess what, THATS LIFE - it's never been fair, it never will be fair. Lets stop trying to create a perfectly fair utopia and lets get to work on a free society instead.
if im gona pull the race card which shouldnt matter under our constitution this is what i have to say
tell me what government has done for black people as well? hmmm... beat, kill, and isolate
by your logic it should be the white males that want more government since they are apparently better off with abundant government advantages in their favor.
Libertarians adhere to the non aggression principle. Government has a monopoly on the use of force. They have given themselves license to do to you or I, what you or I can not do to each other. Can I break down the door to your house, demand you give me money, and if you refuse, lock you in a cage or murder you?
What's wrong with telling people that for the most part, nobody should tell you how to live your life? Libertarians are NOT anarchists who want NO government, they just want limited constitutional government, in which the primary caretaker of your own body and the person who most determines the direction of your life is YOU!
@RustyDaleShackleford Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
Government can only accomplish its goals by using force. Libertarianism is the philosophy of limiting the government from using that force. Libertarianism is a philosophy of individual liberty, too.
Wow. You should do research before you bash libertarian ideas, which are becoming pretty popular, on youtube, where your ignorance of the topic can be sen by everyone. First of all, I know plenty of non caucuasian males who are libertarians. Secondly, any "system" that favors white males exists because our market isn't totally free, the government intereferes.Thirdly, as most people have said, they don't believe in 0 governmen and 0 laws.
lol man look at all those negative. i mean FFS i am an internet troll and SPECIFICALLY try to piss off as many people as i possibly can to get negative feed back and i dont have nearly the negatives as you got for one min worth of sexist psycho bable. im torn i dont know whether i should rip into you for your ignorant statements or salute you for being such a succesfull troll...ill err on the side of caution *crisply salutes poderosa20* you earned that sieg heil
I'm not white, wasn't born in this country, English was my second langauge, and I want a limited government. I want a government that primarily acts to protect people from Violence, and to provide a court system to settle disput, ensure contracts are carried out, property rights are respected, etc. That might seem strange, but why not attack that position on it's own merits, rather than the ad homonim, or ignoring what people mean by limited gov.
Yet, there are TONS of black libertarians, and the base of libertainism it that, as long as YOUR NOT HURTING ANYONE ELSE you can do it, look up some videos on youtube about some great black supporters of Libertanism... oh wait, you know who was a Libertarion... MARTIN LUTHER KING, so stop being a dumbass
@Lotsoffun111 MLK was a liberal. He knew that cowboy markets crush the poor since they can't afford good schools, college, etc. Go read more of his writings.
Your argument is vague and weak. Iraq and Somalia are not libertarian places, quite far from. Neither governments protect the rights that libertarians are always talking about. I might speculate that you are confusing anarchism with libertarianism, but Iraq is pretty authoritarian and is clearly neither anarchist nor libertarian.
You make it clear you don't have the slightest idea what libertarianism even is, and your argument is contradicted by the facts.
Assumptions. Show me how the system has favored me? Where was the system when I grew up fatherless? Where was the system when I left home with nothing? Tell me! Where was this favortism?
If you want to live in a libertarian country without laws Iraq and Somalia are the places for you Libertarians explain yourselves
LOL so we can be Libertrians but you the Proud Fascist Democracy will bomb us to Regulate our Resources and Seeds.. we killed people in Iraq becuase they didn't use Monsanto Seeds.. get a CLUE. omg ..how can you not be alarmed by everything going on.. Obama Bombed an American Kid. 16years old called him a Partisan and bombed him and his family. Ron Paul 2012! wake up.
In a nutshell for the peanut gallery..no pun intended. If you are speaking of libertarian griefs against laws:If you aren't using force or fraud to take life, liberty, or property from another citizen you are not committing a crime. I love government but hope for a quick death to the leviathan that consumes more capital than most of the world makes, and returns back to its role as settling disputes among its member states. KISS
I flushed more intelligence down the toilet today after my morning cigarrette and coffee than I just saw on this video. The scary thing here is that she VOTES.
@tsm767 HAHAHAHA I love you, Ron Paul 2012????!!!?? (No matter who wins the GOP nomination, because we both know Obama or Romney or Gingrich breed the same result?)
Yes, this was definitely an OPINION. It's too bad that this person will probably vote for a candidate that will, likewise, force his OPINION on others.
@tstruss912 That wasn't until the early 1900's. Well, unless you're talking about slavery. But, regardless, the media nightmare that would ensue in the modern era would be enough to dissuade the resurgence of child labor. Did you go to public school in the US? Have you not seen the quantities of busy work, poor teaching, and lack of learning? At least a job would pay. :D
Uhh... she's seriously bringing peoples' gender and race into this? What?
Also, if by 'favors us' she means 'doesn't oppress QUITE as much as the other groups', then sure. All I know is, unless you consider having to risk your life at Gettysburg to be a benefit, neither me nor my family has in any way benefited from government oppression, such as the 'Trail of Tears' and other atrocities of the sort.
And Iraq is run by a state, while Somalia is run by warlords. Not exactly 'libertarian.'
Iraq has plenty of laws, in fact the U.S. government has written and enforced them. I'd rather compare California to Texas. Which state has more regulation and higher taxes? CA. Which state has been able to accommodate huge population growth with continued economic success? TX. Google and Facebook are shipping jobs from CA to Texas. Why could that be?
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Next time you type "youtube.com" to upload your stupidity... type in "google.com" and do some research first. You, are a perfect example why democracy doesn't work... you're an idiot, and your opinion is useless.
Go back in time and live in one of the original 13 colonies under british control and then live one after the revolutionary war and tell me what you think.
Thank you.I now will always have a video to illustrate my point about how many brainwashed people there are out there who know nothing of themselves and can only regurgitate what they have been brainwashed to believe in k-12.
You are more right than you think girl. Don't listen to these bourgeoise white middle to overclass people who just want to be left alone with their wealth, which they haven't accumulated themselves in the first place. The Iraq. Somalia analogy is bad though, they aren't exactly libertarian. That said though, libertarians i'm sure, only have this opinion because they were born where they were born. They wouldn't be having these opinion if they were born in a favela in Guatemala.
Libertarians dont believe in 0 gov't.This drone is a completely ignorant in her opinion,she has done 0 research.Libertarians don't believe in violating the rights of others,Sorry Iraq & Somalia r not examples of a libertarian system.Thankfully we have the rite 2 freedom of speech & dissent,so letting drones lyk this speak bout philosophly & ideas which they have 0 knowledge bout is actually a blessing,drones reveal da weakness of their argument & general sexist, racist bias they bring 2 da table
FYI, the United States of America was founded on July 4, 1776 based on the principle of limited federal government. If you want to live in a country with a lot of laws, why don't YOU go somewhere else instead of trying to change the fundamental principles of this nation.
I am a puerto rican male with a 2 year degree from community college. I'll take liberty and freedom over "safety" and big government any day of the week
Plenty of black and brown people are libertarians, and well studied ones! In a libertarian society there would be no forced segregation, slavery, property thefts and big government that fucks with these oppressed people in the first place! There would be no token 'affirmative action' laws that create resentment and set some people up to fail.
On the other hand, these minorities are overly targeted in the war on drugs. Libertarians oppose a war on drugs on a moral and utilitarian basis.
well said...you have my vote. libertarians are simple minded idiots, their reasoning is limited to their experience, do not have a clue how the majority live and they are locking empathy. Basing everything in terms of money show you how dumb they are.
So much less produced than what could have been. All parties--A, B, & C all work much less than they did before. There are 1000 jobs not created. Sure, maybe something was created from B and C spending the wealth that was given to them; however it is likely that it won't be as successful because I can't spend YOUR money on something more productive than YOU could. Buit A's wealth was taken at the barrel of a gun, if he/she didn't pay, it's jail. That is violent and IMMORAL.
Since Person A always has their property confiscated, they have found ways to not have have as much stolen--they just don't create "too much" anymore and stop production 4 months early while laying people off and letting the tax payer now pick up the tab with unemployment comp. Person B and C have decided to not work "too much" also, because they would not qualify for what they were getting for free before. Another factor in the creation of poverty. A, B, and C now work much less. Good job!
Person A has some of their property confiscated for the "betterment" of society. This is then transferred into the hands of Persons B and C. Person A was going to invest that wealth before it was stolen in another enterprise that would have created 1,000 jobs. Since B and C spent this money foolishly (cause it was given to them), society is actually poorer now because they are now with 1000 jobs lesser than what wouls have been created. Person A is now poorer as well.
Person A has been working hard and doing successful things meaning he/she has been producing something creating profit and thus wealth. A centralized entity in the name of equality says that Person A has too much and been just too successful; therefore they must share (because that's the great thing about our "capitalist system," you can make as much as you want but you are required to share that wealth, as they tell you). Person B and Person C have not had the success like Person A has, so...
Who wants to live in a so-called equal society anyhow? I am referring to equality in this sense as equality of results or outcomes, not equal treatment and oppotunity within the context of the law. Your vision of society leads to failure, immorality (as in the sense taking from one to give to another and destroying the value of the private property confiscated), and for sure-- mediocrity. Affirmative Action often requires that you not hire more qualified people for others who aren't productive.
You are absolutely mistaken. Libertarians want to live in a nation ruled by laws versus a nation ruled by men. Socialist dictatorships are nations ruled by men who coerce, compel, and control the populace/collective as THEY see fit. Libertarians aspire to live free with a government STRAPPED DOWN by the CHAINS of the CONSTITUTION. You are mistaken on what freedom means. We only want equality in the eyes of the law, period. Liberty and equality are diametrically opposed to one another.
Maybe you mouthbreathers need some remediation on iraq and somalia, both had plenty of laws, controlled by terrorist cartels in the sense of somalia and by a dictator in iraq, in fact there were so many laws by design, to make government coercion legal in almost any contradicting situation, so long as it fit the whim of the boss. That more like leftism, we won't let you hoist the state over the individual in the country.
The problem with Iraq and Somalia is not the lack of laws, it is their excessive BAD laws (kind of anti libertarian if you ask me). My light skin color did not give me money/help for college, my service in the military did (males and females of any skin color are welcome). In fact, there are more aid programs for college aimed at female and/or minority groups (as opposed to solely white males of which there are none) . Next time do a fact check :)
@staum607 This is true of Iraq. Not of Somalia. Somalia has little or no centralized government. The government they do have only has loose control and is very fractured. There are whole areas where it doesn't operate. It is a prime example of libertarianism in action. A country like Iran would be a prime example of the opposite, extreme government control. Since when did moderation and compromise become so un-trendy?
@dlewis1498 If what you are saying about somalia is true, then somalia still wouldn't be libertarian, they would be more aligned with anarchy. Libertarian vs Anarchy - It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there. Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism - not in lack of laws/gov't control in other areas (murder, stealing, rape, etc).
@staum607 The free market allows Somalian waters to be over fished by foreign nations. The less advanced Somalian boats can't compete, taking away the sole source of income for huge groups of people leaving them to turn to starvation and death or piracy (and often death or imprisonment). There are international regulations against fishing in another nations waters, but Somalia can't enforce them. Thank god they can't enforce them, because regulation is terrible. Death, not so bad.
@staum607 I want to add that I'm not at all against the ideals of libertarianism. Seems like they want to maximize the rights of individuals. That's a damn good idea. But on the flip side, more socialistic systems want to maximize the well being and potential life of individuals. Each theory tends to hope that increasing one will increase the other, and many times this is true. But there are cases, such as Somalia, where it is totally not the case. Compromise is key!
@dlewis1498 Ideologies are always extreme like everything we should look for balance, having labels is not helping anything there is Society not markets and citizens not consumers, look at the terminology and you will realize who is for you... conservative, libertarians, republicans seam to want to legislate a rural community where there is plenty of space to be left alone,In large cities there is no room for the kind of world they are referring to. your freedoms stop where the next person start
@dlewis1498 I believe at their core libertarianism and socialism are founded on two opposing ideas. Libertarianism (free-markets, capitalism) believe people are naturally evil, so it's best not to let those in charge have control over too many things. Socialism teaches people are basically good and so there is little danger in handing control over many areas to an individual (or small group) in power. Where you stand on this issue will probably determine your political viewpoint.
@staum607 uhhh...so why do you "libertarians" (I don't consider American libertarianism to be actual libertarianism) want to hand over all the power to those who own the market? We get to vote on gov; we don't get to vote on who owns the market and what they do with it, at least under your dream system. Name one thing the gov can do that the market owners can't. Thanks.
@tstruss912 LOL you're saying that you don't want "those who have the power over the market" (people) to have to control but that a government (people) should? Sounds retarded. Especially considering the market is determined by demand. You vote in the market every time you take a dollar out of you pocket. That's fraud proof. Unlike your trustworthy and benevolent politicians who game the system so that our votes don't count. How's that electoral college going? Yea.
@DoesNotApply You're saying that unelected people--who own everything--should be given control of the country. Is that it? Talk about retarded. Listen, we get to vote on issues and for/against representatives. You have a fantasy idea of the market: your religion ("free" markets) says that monopolies only exist with gov. Really? Wow. What a fucking insight. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE GOV! Get it? The elite know that and have convinced you otherwise. In fact, gov will continue
@DoesNotApply to grow as the world becomes more complex; it has to. So the only question is, who will that large gov serve. You've fallen right into the hands of the propagandists. They will deregulate everything THEY don't like, and then they'll keep taking what they do like, handouts. The biggest psychopaths and robbers get more powerful under your philosophy. That's the REAL effect of deregulation. Business Week actually, to its credit, pointed out that regulations
@DoesNotApply don't cause a net-loss of jobs: some jobs are lost, and others are gained in order to comply with the regulations. So, jobs is not an argument. Freedom is also not an argument. What about the next generations freedom to inherit an earth that's not fucked up beyond belief? So under your belief system, the elite become more powerful, there's no positive effect on jobs, and the earth our kids trust us with is destroyed. What's your argument again?
@tstruss912 Regulation "creates" jobs. Stupidest thing anyone has ever said ever. Go study economics for 10 minutes. Then realize how astoundingly idiotic you are. Next you'll be telling me "money is debt" which will fit right in with your other absurdly vague declarations that have absolutely no foundation in logic or even thought.
@DoesNotApply Hey genius, that is from Business Week. You want to go argue that point? Go argue with them. I'm sure they'll be very impressed LOL. The fact that your retarded brain can't comprehend that regulation enforcement creates jobs renders talking to you any further useless. Good riddance.
@tstruss912 BUSINESS WEEK IS OBVIOUSLY THE PINNACLE OF ECONOMIC EDUCATION AND DISCUSSION! Read Bastiat, now THAT'S legitimate. After you read that, tell me how goverment jobs are any different than breaking a window.
@DoesNotApply The stupidest thing anyone ever said was Bernanke telling Paul in July of 2011 that gold was not money. Regulation creating jobs may very well be the second stupidest thing though, and is right in line with Keynesian thought of destroying windows to give the glass man work as a means of wealth production el oh el.
@tstruss912 we dont want to give power to a specific group. True free markets (no gov't aid, bailouts, etc) are controlled by the people. If criminal acts occue (ie stealing) than the gov't can handle that issue. Other than that, history has shown that 'bad' companies (poor business models, or those who try to take advantage of the system) will either change for the better or fail.
@staum607 That's a fantasy world. You want to go back to the 1800's and live under the "freedom" of that time? Even kids were working 14 hour days for peanuts, sometimes literally, back then. It was a hell. That's when socialism was most popular in the US. People were talking about taking over the factories. And ya, you can't blame that one the "liberal" media or secret communist influences, given that those didn't exist. People hated unregulated markets. End of story.
@tstruss912 There's a difference between complete deregulation and libertarian deregulation, which simply calls for the least amount of regulation possible so that the market can thrive. There's no way we could just eliminate OSHA, to threaten a workers life with poor working conditions violates the "life, liberty, property" thing.
@highwaytohell13 That statement puts you in the middle of libertarians, just like me. Many libertarians on the far-right think the 1800's were a paradise. Poor kids working for the rich at 2 dollars an hour for 12 hours a day? Yup, they're fine with that. Like anything, libertarianism can be a poison. Even vitamin A can kill you if you take too much. In the right quantities, though, it's very nutritious.
@tstruss912 I would consider myself a moderate libertarian, yes. I think the federal government should stay out of social issues entirely (unless acting to preserve liberties that the states may infringe on) and that there CAN be social nets, but there needs to be more of an incentive to WORK and not STAY. For example, raising unemployment benefits. If someone get $500 biweekly in UI, and gets a job working 2 days a week to make an extra $100, they only get $400. Why bother working?
So you don't like libertarian ideas but yet you can't explain one freaking libertarian idea you don't like. This is intellectually a shallow video. You are against libertarians because you think they don't think anyone has ever helped them? Really? Wow. Well I can not speak for other libertarians but my philosophy is simple. Free market of ideas, products, services, with rule of law (protection of life, liberty, and private property) are the corner stones of libertarianism because (cont.)
Libertarians dont want no laws, but they think someone with common sense can determine what that person can and cant do for himself. Obviously you have none of yourself :) its okay though, many people are like you. No judgement on your idiocracy here :)
HoldupnWatch 4 hours ago
I find it funny. All these libertarians rushing here to defend their idiocy. I applaud the poster in her bravery. Speak your mind. Ignore the negative responders. American Libertarianism is a twisted fallacy.
Oh and if the 19th and 18th century were your paradise, I guess that means you would own black people. Or rub shoulders with those that would and or have.
placebonation 9 hours ago
@placebonation he explained himself in the top comment that it wasnt very libertarian because the slaves didnt have liberty. im not libertarian but if ur going to make an argument against someone else, read what they said first.
ContradicktThis 7 minutes ago
I don't think she understands that libertarianism is primarily based on the NAP
PizzaBoxJm 11 hours ago
I'd still go down on her.
Jesucristo559 13 hours ago
I wonder if she knows how dumb she sounds...."Help me! I can't think for myself and I need government to decide how I will live out my pathetic existence!" You are an embarrassment to our species.
2wheeledfury 14 hours ago
I think your clueless as to what libertarianism is. Libertarianism isn't having no laws, its having a small federal governemt in order to protect freedoms. Its obvious you'v been drinking the kool-aid from the mainstream media, into believe there lies about how freedom is bad, liberty is bad, ron paul is an isolationist, etc... You want thr government to make choices for you? go ahead, see how far that gets you, may god have mercy on your soul, sheep.
WintersHowling 14 hours ago
Foolish child.
OZRETH 14 hours ago
Haha! Ignorant fool, willing to trade in your freedoms for protection; you deserve neither. Ron Paul 2012.
WintersHowling 14 hours ago
Iraq is not a libertarian state... at all... its lost somewhere in the zone of an anarchist theoracy crossed with American totalitarianism, and Somalia is just an a plain anarchist state... So Libertarians wouldn't fit in. Not only have you not read a history book, but you lack the knowledge of world affairs to make any sort of statement. Libertarians for the most part recognize the system and still want to do away with it because they understand its flaws and hope to see a truly equal America.
MsFagsauce 17 hours ago 2
sure argue against libertarians but learn what they are first... we dont want to do everything on our oun we just want to make our own choices. i dont want to pay half of what i make every year to the government just so they can decide how i spend my money
reducedfat11 17 hours ago 2
How exactly is Iraq considered a Libertarian country when its one of the most socially conservative places on Earth?
chicagobears22 23 hours ago 2
someone here is clueless it seems.
ForceCrystal 23 hours ago 2
The founding fathers we're idiots I suppose then.
buzman1985 1 day ago
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@buzman1985 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 23 hours ago
libertarians believe in limited government, so that freedom is maximized. government is here to protect, your life liberty and property. libertarians believe you have NO right to goods or services. because they are commodities , and they have to be created by other people, and you don't have a right to other peoples property. to say that you get you wealth , because society allows to to make it, refers to a collective society, which is the basis of socialism and communism. ASK ELISABETH WARREN!
Weaponsuser 1 day ago
Weak, simple-minded video.
All of us are white males?? What kind of ignorant shit is that?
TheLoyalOfficer 1 day ago
If what you do does not harm others or put yourself in immediate danger then it should not be the concern of our government what you do and it should be put up for public debate. You clearly don't understand the idea of civil and individual liberty. Also, interventionalist, big government agendas by the left and the right will bankrupt this country and we will fall like the romans and soviets before us. Go study the Constitution then come back to us.
AustinLampinen 1 day ago
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>trashes libertarians for a minute
Mam, your opinion on libertarianism and its subscribers is racist, sexist and facile. Please don't throw mud in the face of the feminist movement by abandoning understanding and replacing it with hyperbolic statements and groundless attacks in the hope that you may gain some superficial rhetorical advantage.
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kleshco 1 day ago
BULLSHIT! I'm a Libertarian, & I support the Constitution as Ron Paul does. "People" like yourself want a banker run nanny state because you're too weak, or stupid to make it on your own. Thse countries you mentioned are NOT Libertarian societies either, they are FEUDAL societies run by WARLORDS, not at all what a Libertarian society would look like. BTW, America is a Constitutional Republic, NOT a Democracy like you think it is. Rule of law, vs. mob "rule".
loveunderlaw 1 day ago
Libertarianism = Fascism
true story.
tammymism 1 day ago
@tammymism Care to explain your reasoning here?
SgtTripper 1 day ago
@tammymism I hope you are kidding with that comment.
Otherwise, you are a fucking moron.
TheLoyalOfficer 1 day ago
Your not to smart and no im not going to explain why.. it would be... a waste of time.
ssjwes 1 day ago
Way to be informed.
fail
mkmexicotte 1 day ago 2
Somalia and Iraq are not Libertarian paradises. The closest Libertarian paradise we've had, in my opinion, is 18th and 19th century America, however, even then, it wasn't very Libertarian, as there were many people without social freedom, the slaves. Libertarianism ≠ Anarchism, the sooner people learn that, the sooner viable arguments against Libertarians will arise.
piemonkey321 1 day ago 11
@piemonkey321 "It wasn't very Libertarian." That's all I needed to hear.
Redgrant80 19 hours ago
nice stereotyping there!
scottishguy100 1 day ago 2
there is no substance to your arguement. all you said was that you hate the white male college student. there are more tough laws in iraq and syria you r a clueless moron
yakmixer 1 day ago 2
I saw the title of this video and then I saw the look on her face and so I says to myself - that's about right.
htiberian 1 day ago
Dripping with sarcasm, ya think.
saladfork8 2 days ago
Make me your slave whore bitch, I like abuse, as a woman there is nothing I like more than spending my money and the money of some poor manslobs on useless overpriced crap I use to decorate my home. If the government wants me to pay to subsidize corn and then to pay more to inflate the price of corn syrup, fine by me. I am particularly for the right of a woman to squeeze out as many illegitimate children as she can so I can pay her to sit at home and make more. Guns 4 criminals! I'm on the rag.
saladfork8 2 days ago 3
loose that roseanne barr haircut
Frrrrrrrrunkis 2 days ago
I see this video is dated 2009, any changes in opinion ?
cc4272 2 days ago
@cc4272 same
ssjwes 1 day ago
Dumb fucking American!!!!! Makes me laugh.
johnsmith21197 2 days ago
You idiot lol. You are ridiculous, you display your lack of intelligence as well as your spineless fear. Fuck you and the government, dumb ass statist slave!
ElectricEntertaiment 2 days ago
Read a history book and a few auto-biographies on our founding fathers - you may be surprise to learn that many of them were Libertarians.
actracts 2 days ago 13
Have you noticed that those who have access to school and the internet resources are more likely to be Libertarian?
Yup I wonder why.
soulessENERGY 2 days ago
Dumb, that's all I have to say.
soulessENERGY 2 days ago
No you're wrong for thinking it was a good idea to post this video on the INTERNET where Ron Paul and Libertains already rule domain here. The ratings on this video proves your argument invalid...
invasionB 2 days ago
Ever heard of Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams? They both have doctorates in economics and are well known libertarians.
corkskrewclubhouse93 2 days ago
I think clueless is a really bad choice of words.
I'm not saying you have to agree with libertarianism, but I think as far as people go libertarians are very knowledgeable about politics (more than republicans and democrats at least) and can tell you legit reasons for any belief.
So clueless is definitely unfair.
heatbucspies55 2 days ago
I think Poderosa20 is clueless and you don't deserve all these views om an awful video.
shirtlesslemons 2 days ago
So what Do you practically do to make a living form the system (food clothing shelter,social company) is the current system working for you ? what personal time do you put in and put back to a system we are unable to live outside of. its just another idea from the imagination, humans like to own them in order to cope with a lack of needs being met from a complex reality of imperfections.
jamesandrew62 3 days ago
You ask to explain the libertarian position to you AFTER you make your point about it????
snipershniper 3 days ago
Those countries do not have the constitution. We aren't against laws. Who do you think would be in a better position to decide what is best for you? What do you think of the idea of letting someone you have never met make your decisions for you?
slayin4free 3 days ago
Sounds like you summed up the generic rhetoric rather simply. It just has no basis in reality.
orenjiotoku 3 days ago
Wow Poderosa20, you really are ignorant of the founding principles of the very country you call home!
JaredsUploads 3 days ago
This girl is a complete moron.
Please understand the difference between Anarchy and Libertarian-ism. Also, please EXPLAIN TO ME, how Iraq is or ever was a Libertarian country? Or Somalia? Are you trying to make the argument that living in a Libertarian society essentially means living under a murderous, theocratic, dictator?
To give you some helpful advice for your future: You will sound a lot smarter in life when you actually understand what it is that you are trying to argue for or against...
1985nyg 3 days ago
btw all those likes are prolly from people who dont understand liberitarian principles nymore that this dumb bitch
W2D254210 3 days ago
BOO, nobody needs to explain shit to u cus obvious u have no clear grasp at what libertarian is and the demographics so u probably wont understand if Thomas Jefferson himself tried to teach you.....n by the way that is a extremely bias opionion anyways cus ur judging your opionions off of "white, male, college students" u kno, im a mexican amercian male from texas and i barely started going to college last month n i been believing in liberitarian principles for years.....
W2D254210 3 days ago
Please go get an education before you make youtube videos and make a mockery of yourself. I would suggest "free to choose" by Milton Freedman
mrlush123 3 days ago
we spend more on our military then the entire world put together by a longshot, half of our entire budget is devoted to the military, the states a forced into a homogeneous form in order to recoup funds that the federal government has taken from them in the first place, our laws and regulations have gotten out of control and our politicians need to start doing whats best for the country instead of doing the statous quo,Should all laws and government bodies be removed, no, but our system is broke
grazzitdvram 3 days ago
this is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my entire life
c0nfus3dk0ala 3 days ago
hilarious clueless nonsense.thanks
MrSafetymeeting 3 days ago
ur opinion means nothing. actually less than nothing. id take advice form a house cat before even listening to a word out of ur whore mouth.
lynchinjesus 3 days ago
let me see your tits
visionHddfi 3 days ago
What in the WORLD does that have to do with Libertarianism? What in the WORLD is this woman talking about?
sysopkc 3 days ago
Respectfully, you need to do some of your own homework from. Sounds like you are assuming your collectivist teachers and friends are not to be questioned. That is what they are hoping for/counting on.Check out Mises Institute on line. There is a wealth of information there. You seem like a nice person who cares about the truth. If so, do your own homework, think critically, examine the ends/means schemes, the underlying principles, and the history of the various philosophies. You won't regret it
Joe20850 3 days ago 2
Your understanding of liberterianism is very naive. It doesn't support the idea of the individual as an island unto itself. Far from it. The core of libertarianism gives power to the individual rather then an authoritarian. It limits the governments role to the protection of property. Did you know you can be a socialist libertarian? That's right! This describes Noam Chompsky's personal political view. Also, those countries you mention are authoritarian states of the most extreme kind.
beppo05 4 days ago
Discrediting a philosophy based on those who subscribe to it is not an argument. Empirical questions of the characteristics of libertarians aside, would you really want to justify an idea based on the race and gender of those who espouse it? If I discredited an idea based on non-white females supporting it, what does that make me? Secondly, I would suggest some reading regarding race and markets, such as The State Against Blacks by Walter Williams. Thirdly, anarchy means no ruler, not no rules.
dachickenman 4 days ago 2
And if YOU wanna live in a place that doesn't lack laws, why don't you go to communist China?
ZephyrJG 4 days ago 2
You are incredibly stupid.
Madcapunlimited 4 days ago
Buy a dictionary.
MisterMackeyMKay 4 days ago
go make me a sandwich.
boisestatefan41 4 days ago
Wow, ignorance is a bliss. She is a drone.
toctc 4 days ago
Yeah there will be priviledge, yeah their will be unequal access to resources - but guess what, THATS LIFE - it's never been fair, it never will be fair. Lets stop trying to create a perfectly fair utopia and lets get to work on a free society instead.
muel0341 4 days ago
if im gona pull the race card which shouldnt matter under our constitution this is what i have to say
tell me what government has done for black people as well? hmmm... beat, kill, and isolate
by your logic it should be the white males that want more government since they are apparently better off with abundant government advantages in their favor.
122ffsdd 4 days ago
wow. what an intellectual person..
Brando19n 4 days ago
CLEARLY spontaneous opinion. Good job ! (full of sarcasm)
doubleOR1 4 days ago
WTF
manwhosayf 4 days ago
Wait..what?
iISTKIi 4 days ago
Not very bright.
panzr110 4 days ago 2
"spontaneous one minute opinion" that seems to also be about how long she took to do research...
Berelore 4 days ago 2
Libertarians adhere to the non aggression principle. Government has a monopoly on the use of force. They have given themselves license to do to you or I, what you or I can not do to each other. Can I break down the door to your house, demand you give me money, and if you refuse, lock you in a cage or murder you?
kungfujones1 4 days ago
LIbertairians are not clueless, but you certainly are! Go to Iraq and Somalia and tell you what you think? Nice strawman arguement!
br00k39 5 days ago
What's wrong with telling people that for the most part, nobody should tell you how to live your life? Libertarians are NOT anarchists who want NO government, they just want limited constitutional government, in which the primary caretaker of your own body and the person who most determines the direction of your life is YOU!
RustyDaleShackleford 5 days ago
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marionetemanJ 5 days ago
I'm not even white, but what do you have against white males?
JaimzSB 5 days ago
look after yourself hippie!
Meshuggahnaut 5 days ago
Government can only accomplish its goals by using force. Libertarianism is the philosophy of limiting the government from using that force. Libertarianism is a philosophy of individual liberty, too.
Philasaurus 5 days ago
Wow. You should do research before you bash libertarian ideas, which are becoming pretty popular, on youtube, where your ignorance of the topic can be sen by everyone. First of all, I know plenty of non caucuasian males who are libertarians. Secondly, any "system" that favors white males exists because our market isn't totally free, the government intereferes.Thirdly, as most people have said, they don't believe in 0 governmen and 0 laws.
highwaytohell13 5 days ago
so you pull the race card and thats one of key points of arguement Poderosa20 you are clueless
Mercs11gaming 5 days ago
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lol man look at all those negative. i mean FFS i am an internet troll and SPECIFICALLY try to piss off as many people as i possibly can to get negative feed back and i dont have nearly the negatives as you got for one min worth of sexist psycho bable. im torn i dont know whether i should rip into you for your ignorant statements or salute you for being such a succesfull troll...ill err on the side of caution *crisply salutes poderosa20* you earned that sieg heil
amyhuk 5 days ago
lol pulling out the race card. Good move, poderosa20. You are clueless.
oblivion582x 5 days ago
somali was doing fine undera anarcho capitalism
death9719 5 days ago
I'm not white, wasn't born in this country, English was my second langauge, and I want a limited government. I want a government that primarily acts to protect people from Violence, and to provide a court system to settle disput, ensure contracts are carried out, property rights are respected, etc. That might seem strange, but why not attack that position on it's own merits, rather than the ad homonim, or ignoring what people mean by limited gov.
Thyrdeye3000 5 days ago 2
Yet, there are TONS of black libertarians, and the base of libertainism it that, as long as YOUR NOT HURTING ANYONE ELSE you can do it, look up some videos on youtube about some great black supporters of Libertanism... oh wait, you know who was a Libertarion... MARTIN LUTHER KING, so stop being a dumbass
Lotsoffun111 6 days ago 15
@Lotsoffun111 MLK was a liberal. He knew that cowboy markets crush the poor since they can't afford good schools, college, etc. Go read more of his writings.
tstruss912 5 days ago
Your argument is vague and weak. Iraq and Somalia are not libertarian places, quite far from. Neither governments protect the rights that libertarians are always talking about. I might speculate that you are confusing anarchism with libertarianism, but Iraq is pretty authoritarian and is clearly neither anarchist nor libertarian.
You make it clear you don't have the slightest idea what libertarianism even is, and your argument is contradicted by the facts.
Jotto999 6 days ago 2
Assumptions. Show me how the system has favored me? Where was the system when I grew up fatherless? Where was the system when I left home with nothing? Tell me! Where was this favortism?
politicalmyincorrect 6 days ago
If you want to live in a libertarian country without laws Iraq and Somalia are the places for you Libertarians explain yourselves
LOL so we can be Libertrians but you the Proud Fascist Democracy will bomb us to Regulate our Resources and Seeds.. we killed people in Iraq becuase they didn't use Monsanto Seeds.. get a CLUE. omg ..how can you not be alarmed by everything going on.. Obama Bombed an American Kid. 16years old called him a Partisan and bombed him and his family. Ron Paul 2012! wake up.
TinyMcLarge1 6 days ago
In a nutshell for the peanut gallery..no pun intended. If you are speaking of libertarian griefs against laws:If you aren't using force or fraud to take life, liberty, or property from another citizen you are not committing a crime. I love government but hope for a quick death to the leviathan that consumes more capital than most of the world makes, and returns back to its role as settling disputes among its member states. KISS
TheVinoThunderbird 6 days ago
in the wise words of stewie griffin, "are you retarded?"
EliasBaase 6 days ago
Self proclaimed communist-socialists are clueless.
y0uG0tpwned1 6 days ago
I flushed more intelligence down the toilet today after my morning cigarrette and coffee than I just saw on this video. The scary thing here is that she VOTES.
nov284 6 days ago
I gave you a tumbs up for you looks
prreyreyland 6 days ago
Say Um one more time
devilish34 6 days ago
I'm black, you stupid bitch.
tsm767 6 days ago 15
@tsm767 HAHAHAHA I love you, Ron Paul 2012????!!!?? (No matter who wins the GOP nomination, because we both know Obama or Romney or Gingrich breed the same result?)
ACDCLedZeppelin93 5 days ago
@tsm767 BOOM ROASTED
highwaytohell13 5 days ago
lol jibberish. RON PAUL 2012!!!
hopeintransit 6 days ago
Yes, this was definitely an OPINION. It's too bad that this person will probably vote for a candidate that will, likewise, force his OPINION on others.
lalalu151 6 days ago
dumb duh dumb dumb!
fognog3 1 week ago
@tstruss912 That wasn't until the early 1900's. Well, unless you're talking about slavery. But, regardless, the media nightmare that would ensue in the modern era would be enough to dissuade the resurgence of child labor. Did you go to public school in the US? Have you not seen the quantities of busy work, poor teaching, and lack of learning? At least a job would pay. :D
Also, this: eh.net/encyclopedia/article/whaples.childlabor
shillelaghlaw512 1 week ago
Uhh... she's seriously bringing peoples' gender and race into this? What?
Also, if by 'favors us' she means 'doesn't oppress QUITE as much as the other groups', then sure. All I know is, unless you consider having to risk your life at Gettysburg to be a benefit, neither me nor my family has in any way benefited from government oppression, such as the 'Trail of Tears' and other atrocities of the sort.
And Iraq is run by a state, while Somalia is run by warlords. Not exactly 'libertarian.'
TuxedoClam 1 week ago 2
Werent our founders libertarians..
joeynyc321 1 week ago
@joeynyc321 Bingo
highwaytohell13 5 days ago
ROFL what a dumb bitch.
Pexterable 1 week ago
Iraq has plenty of laws, in fact the U.S. government has written and enforced them. I'd rather compare California to Texas. Which state has more regulation and higher taxes? CA. Which state has been able to accommodate huge population growth with continued economic success? TX. Google and Facebook are shipping jobs from CA to Texas. Why could that be?
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Barskor1 1 week ago
this was never going to go well
EdwardDiego0 1 week ago
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Next time you type "youtube.com" to upload your stupidity... type in "google.com" and do some research first. You, are a perfect example why democracy doesn't work... you're an idiot, and your opinion is useless.
Maximus19792009 1 week ago
That doesn't look like a kitchen
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
DUMB CUNT XD know what your talking about before you talk about it......
MegaJeffOwlMonster 1 week ago
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nbflounder 1 week ago
Go back in time and live in one of the original 13 colonies under british control and then live one after the revolutionary war and tell me what you think.
tigerblood1993 1 week ago
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SuperWasteBasket 1 week ago
Thank you.I now will always have a video to illustrate my point about how many brainwashed people there are out there who know nothing of themselves and can only regurgitate what they have been brainwashed to believe in k-12.
technoisgod 1 week ago 2
She's ignorant to the point that she can't tell the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist. Just wow.
Pengalor 1 week ago 3
You are more right than you think girl. Don't listen to these bourgeoise white middle to overclass people who just want to be left alone with their wealth, which they haven't accumulated themselves in the first place. The Iraq. Somalia analogy is bad though, they aren't exactly libertarian. That said though, libertarians i'm sure, only have this opinion because they were born where they were born. They wouldn't be having these opinion if they were born in a favela in Guatemala.
Faerlon123 1 week ago
2330 white college males do not want to have sex with you.
badvariance 1 week ago
oh wait, its a woman talking. shouldnt you be fixing your abusive boyfriend a sandwich right now?
partisan49 1 week ago
Libertarians dont believe in 0 gov't.This drone is a completely ignorant in her opinion,she has done 0 research.Libertarians don't believe in violating the rights of others,Sorry Iraq & Somalia r not examples of a libertarian system.Thankfully we have the rite 2 freedom of speech & dissent,so letting drones lyk this speak bout philosophly & ideas which they have 0 knowledge bout is actually a blessing,drones reveal da weakness of their argument & general sexist, racist bias they bring 2 da table
TheAnarchist808 1 week ago 39
playlist?list=PLF3FE9C5616653F10
So many things wrong with this video but..
Watch those, tell me libertarians are only white dudes who want to live in Iraq.
Reckless3057 1 week ago
UGH, totally MISeducated
bringforthtruth 1 week ago
FYI, the United States of America was founded on July 4, 1776 based on the principle of limited federal government. If you want to live in a country with a lot of laws, why don't YOU go somewhere else instead of trying to change the fundamental principles of this nation.
WinsutonSumisu 1 week ago 22
@WinsutonSumisu Coming from the country that bases a lot of it's laws on religion...
TheLeardMan 5 days ago
I am a puerto rican male with a 2 year degree from community college. I'll take liberty and freedom over "safety" and big government any day of the week
C2daORRUPT 1 week ago 4
What the fuck does this have to do with libertarianism?
ShyRobot 1 week ago
i agree.. libertarians are fucktards
matchbox555 1 week ago
Plenty of black and brown people are libertarians, and well studied ones! In a libertarian society there would be no forced segregation, slavery, property thefts and big government that fucks with these oppressed people in the first place! There would be no token 'affirmative action' laws that create resentment and set some people up to fail.
On the other hand, these minorities are overly targeted in the war on drugs. Libertarians oppose a war on drugs on a moral and utilitarian basis.
timbitsnomson 1 week ago
well said...you have my vote. libertarians are simple minded idiots, their reasoning is limited to their experience, do not have a clue how the majority live and they are locking empathy. Basing everything in terms of money show you how dumb they are.
maloso305 1 week ago
So much less produced than what could have been. All parties--A, B, & C all work much less than they did before. There are 1000 jobs not created. Sure, maybe something was created from B and C spending the wealth that was given to them; however it is likely that it won't be as successful because I can't spend YOUR money on something more productive than YOU could. Buit A's wealth was taken at the barrel of a gun, if he/she didn't pay, it's jail. That is violent and IMMORAL.
1776jeffersonian 1 week ago
Since Person A always has their property confiscated, they have found ways to not have have as much stolen--they just don't create "too much" anymore and stop production 4 months early while laying people off and letting the tax payer now pick up the tab with unemployment comp. Person B and C have decided to not work "too much" also, because they would not qualify for what they were getting for free before. Another factor in the creation of poverty. A, B, and C now work much less. Good job!
1776jeffersonian 1 week ago
Person A has some of their property confiscated for the "betterment" of society. This is then transferred into the hands of Persons B and C. Person A was going to invest that wealth before it was stolen in another enterprise that would have created 1,000 jobs. Since B and C spent this money foolishly (cause it was given to them), society is actually poorer now because they are now with 1000 jobs lesser than what wouls have been created. Person A is now poorer as well.
1776jeffersonian 1 week ago
Person A has been working hard and doing successful things meaning he/she has been producing something creating profit and thus wealth. A centralized entity in the name of equality says that Person A has too much and been just too successful; therefore they must share (because that's the great thing about our "capitalist system," you can make as much as you want but you are required to share that wealth, as they tell you). Person B and Person C have not had the success like Person A has, so...
1776jeffersonian 1 week ago
Who wants to live in a so-called equal society anyhow? I am referring to equality in this sense as equality of results or outcomes, not equal treatment and oppotunity within the context of the law. Your vision of society leads to failure, immorality (as in the sense taking from one to give to another and destroying the value of the private property confiscated), and for sure-- mediocrity. Affirmative Action often requires that you not hire more qualified people for others who aren't productive.
1776jeffersonian 1 week ago
You are absolutely mistaken. Libertarians want to live in a nation ruled by laws versus a nation ruled by men. Socialist dictatorships are nations ruled by men who coerce, compel, and control the populace/collective as THEY see fit. Libertarians aspire to live free with a government STRAPPED DOWN by the CHAINS of the CONSTITUTION. You are mistaken on what freedom means. We only want equality in the eyes of the law, period. Liberty and equality are diametrically opposed to one another.
1776jeffersonian 1 week ago
@1776jeffersonian Hey thanks for schooling that guy for me. I was too busy. Also, nice TJeff quote.
DoesNotApply 6 days ago
yeah its great as the gov't who is not their for the people keeps layering on laws to take away your freedoms, sopa, pipa, ndaa, get the picture?
Doman26 1 week ago
Maybe you mouthbreathers need some remediation on iraq and somalia, both had plenty of laws, controlled by terrorist cartels in the sense of somalia and by a dictator in iraq, in fact there were so many laws by design, to make government coercion legal in almost any contradicting situation, so long as it fit the whim of the boss. That more like leftism, we won't let you hoist the state over the individual in the country.
Averyofthemain 1 week ago
The problem with Iraq and Somalia is not the lack of laws, it is their excessive BAD laws (kind of anti libertarian if you ask me). My light skin color did not give me money/help for college, my service in the military did (males and females of any skin color are welcome). In fact, there are more aid programs for college aimed at female and/or minority groups (as opposed to solely white males of which there are none) . Next time do a fact check :)
staum607 1 week ago
@staum607 This is true of Iraq. Not of Somalia. Somalia has little or no centralized government. The government they do have only has loose control and is very fractured. There are whole areas where it doesn't operate. It is a prime example of libertarianism in action. A country like Iran would be a prime example of the opposite, extreme government control. Since when did moderation and compromise become so un-trendy?
dlewis1498 1 week ago
@dlewis1498 If what you are saying about somalia is true, then somalia still wouldn't be libertarian, they would be more aligned with anarchy. Libertarian vs Anarchy - It's like the difference between a lover and a rapist.They're both in the same place but one uses violence to get there. Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism - not in lack of laws/gov't control in other areas (murder, stealing, rape, etc).
staum607 1 week ago
@staum607 The free market allows Somalian waters to be over fished by foreign nations. The less advanced Somalian boats can't compete, taking away the sole source of income for huge groups of people leaving them to turn to starvation and death or piracy (and often death or imprisonment). There are international regulations against fishing in another nations waters, but Somalia can't enforce them. Thank god they can't enforce them, because regulation is terrible. Death, not so bad.
dlewis1498 1 week ago
@staum607 I want to add that I'm not at all against the ideals of libertarianism. Seems like they want to maximize the rights of individuals. That's a damn good idea. But on the flip side, more socialistic systems want to maximize the well being and potential life of individuals. Each theory tends to hope that increasing one will increase the other, and many times this is true. But there are cases, such as Somalia, where it is totally not the case. Compromise is key!
dlewis1498 1 week ago
@dlewis1498 Ideologies are always extreme like everything we should look for balance, having labels is not helping anything there is Society not markets and citizens not consumers, look at the terminology and you will realize who is for you... conservative, libertarians, republicans seam to want to legislate a rural community where there is plenty of space to be left alone,In large cities there is no room for the kind of world they are referring to. your freedoms stop where the next person start
maloso305 1 week ago
@dlewis1498 I believe at their core libertarianism and socialism are founded on two opposing ideas. Libertarianism (free-markets, capitalism) believe people are naturally evil, so it's best not to let those in charge have control over too many things. Socialism teaches people are basically good and so there is little danger in handing control over many areas to an individual (or small group) in power. Where you stand on this issue will probably determine your political viewpoint.
staum607 1 week ago
@staum607 uhhh...so why do you "libertarians" (I don't consider American libertarianism to be actual libertarianism) want to hand over all the power to those who own the market? We get to vote on gov; we don't get to vote on who owns the market and what they do with it, at least under your dream system. Name one thing the gov can do that the market owners can't. Thanks.
tstruss912 1 week ago
@tstruss912 LOL you're saying that you don't want "those who have the power over the market" (people) to have to control but that a government (people) should? Sounds retarded. Especially considering the market is determined by demand. You vote in the market every time you take a dollar out of you pocket. That's fraud proof. Unlike your trustworthy and benevolent politicians who game the system so that our votes don't count. How's that electoral college going? Yea.
DoesNotApply 1 week ago
@DoesNotApply You're saying that unelected people--who own everything--should be given control of the country. Is that it? Talk about retarded. Listen, we get to vote on issues and for/against representatives. You have a fantasy idea of the market: your religion ("free" markets) says that monopolies only exist with gov. Really? Wow. What a fucking insight. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE GOV! Get it? The elite know that and have convinced you otherwise. In fact, gov will continue
tstruss912 1 week ago
@DoesNotApply to grow as the world becomes more complex; it has to. So the only question is, who will that large gov serve. You've fallen right into the hands of the propagandists. They will deregulate everything THEY don't like, and then they'll keep taking what they do like, handouts. The biggest psychopaths and robbers get more powerful under your philosophy. That's the REAL effect of deregulation. Business Week actually, to its credit, pointed out that regulations
tstruss912 1 week ago
@DoesNotApply don't cause a net-loss of jobs: some jobs are lost, and others are gained in order to comply with the regulations. So, jobs is not an argument. Freedom is also not an argument. What about the next generations freedom to inherit an earth that's not fucked up beyond belief? So under your belief system, the elite become more powerful, there's no positive effect on jobs, and the earth our kids trust us with is destroyed. What's your argument again?
tstruss912 1 week ago
@tstruss912 Regulation "creates" jobs. Stupidest thing anyone has ever said ever. Go study economics for 10 minutes. Then realize how astoundingly idiotic you are. Next you'll be telling me "money is debt" which will fit right in with your other absurdly vague declarations that have absolutely no foundation in logic or even thought.
DoesNotApply 6 days ago 5
@DoesNotApply Hey genius, that is from Business Week. You want to go argue that point? Go argue with them. I'm sure they'll be very impressed LOL. The fact that your retarded brain can't comprehend that regulation enforcement creates jobs renders talking to you any further useless. Good riddance.
tstruss912 6 days ago
@tstruss912 BUSINESS WEEK IS OBVIOUSLY THE PINNACLE OF ECONOMIC EDUCATION AND DISCUSSION! Read Bastiat, now THAT'S legitimate. After you read that, tell me how goverment jobs are any different than breaking a window.
highwaytohell13 5 days ago
@DoesNotApply The stupidest thing anyone ever said was Bernanke telling Paul in July of 2011 that gold was not money. Regulation creating jobs may very well be the second stupidest thing though, and is right in line with Keynesian thought of destroying windows to give the glass man work as a means of wealth production el oh el.
MrRokaroo 1 day ago
@tstruss912 we dont want to give power to a specific group. True free markets (no gov't aid, bailouts, etc) are controlled by the people. If criminal acts occue (ie stealing) than the gov't can handle that issue. Other than that, history has shown that 'bad' companies (poor business models, or those who try to take advantage of the system) will either change for the better or fail.
staum607 1 week ago
@staum607 That's a fantasy world. You want to go back to the 1800's and live under the "freedom" of that time? Even kids were working 14 hour days for peanuts, sometimes literally, back then. It was a hell. That's when socialism was most popular in the US. People were talking about taking over the factories. And ya, you can't blame that one the "liberal" media or secret communist influences, given that those didn't exist. People hated unregulated markets. End of story.
tstruss912 1 week ago
@tstruss912 There's a difference between complete deregulation and libertarian deregulation, which simply calls for the least amount of regulation possible so that the market can thrive. There's no way we could just eliminate OSHA, to threaten a workers life with poor working conditions violates the "life, liberty, property" thing.
highwaytohell13 5 days ago
@highwaytohell13 That statement puts you in the middle of libertarians, just like me. Many libertarians on the far-right think the 1800's were a paradise. Poor kids working for the rich at 2 dollars an hour for 12 hours a day? Yup, they're fine with that. Like anything, libertarianism can be a poison. Even vitamin A can kill you if you take too much. In the right quantities, though, it's very nutritious.
tstruss912 5 days ago
@tstruss912 I would consider myself a moderate libertarian, yes. I think the federal government should stay out of social issues entirely (unless acting to preserve liberties that the states may infringe on) and that there CAN be social nets, but there needs to be more of an incentive to WORK and not STAY. For example, raising unemployment benefits. If someone get $500 biweekly in UI, and gets a job working 2 days a week to make an extra $100, they only get $400. Why bother working?
highwaytohell13 3 days ago
So you don't like libertarian ideas but yet you can't explain one freaking libertarian idea you don't like. This is intellectually a shallow video. You are against libertarians because you think they don't think anyone has ever helped them? Really? Wow. Well I can not speak for other libertarians but my philosophy is simple. Free market of ideas, products, services, with rule of law (protection of life, liberty, and private property) are the corner stones of libertarianism because (cont.)
matt4787 1 week ago