Spring Legs - TanTui

[katsura1982]

islamic long fist (教門長拳 / Jiao Men Chang Quan) is a division of long fist. it includes forms like this one and Cha Quan. it just happens to be that there are a lot of muslims in the area of China where it is widely practiced. there's no religious component to it, but even if there was, it's still an awesome style.

[kyomodo]

some people says that muslim shit, that bull shit, this is kung fu bei shaolin, i learned that, at the 12 tan tui sets,

[DeftJay]

Yeah? So you just know everything huh?

[kyomodo]

no, i know this set of techiniques since 2006, but i just heard in youtube like a week ago that muslims shit techniques

[KsyGuyVideoCo]

its muslim kung fu

[NassemAir]

thats wrong. Tan tui is muslim style , shaolin get that stuff from muslims

[6arcsn1sky]

@NassemAir That's ridiculous since Shaolin had been around before Islam came to existence.

[jwongk76]

@6arcsn1sky do your research son, anyone that has any real chinese martial arts knowledge knows that Tan tui is originally from the chinese muslims along with Cha quan and Bajiquan

[6arcsn1sky]

@jwongk76 I believe was talking about Shaolin in general, not just tantui, son.

[6arcsn1sky]

@jwongk76 Oh, and another thing about bajiquan is though Wu Zhong was the first recorded practitioner, who was a Hui, records stated he learned it from traveling Taoist priests. Liu Yun Qiao, Li Shu Wen's last student, was surprised to view some alikeness when Chen Fake demonstrated his family's line of taiji prompting some to believe bajiquan to have Taoist roots.

[PhuckYoui]

scaaaary...

[ngokfeiyuefei]

Response to an old posting.

IMO/Research I've noted that Tan Tui was acquired mainly from either the Chin Woo or the Kuoshu.(12 Road & 10 Road).

Another variant is a form called Nan Choy/Ying Chui (Hard Fist) which is a 6 road set similar in appearance to Tan Tui which was taught at te Chin Woo.

The Eagle Claw of Shum Leung has Tan Tui which is a mixture of the 12 Road TT and 6 Road NC.

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[JimiGumba]

Great stuff Mike...wish could see more forms...

[GungFuMan777]

This is a different version from what I learned, but he executed it very nicely.

[badgerman2342]

same for me they have their similarities and their difference but that might just be because I come form a different style

[flyingphoneix]

Im not sure about this demonstration. Perhaps this is a variation of the original 10 line Moslem tan tui. Its even different for the book tan tui as described in the Wushu Among Moslems and from what Wang Ziping taught. The form my teacher taught me does not resemble this one but rather the one Wang Ziping taught, which is highlighted in the Wushu Among Moslems book.

[rossik]

as far as i know, this is 12 tantui, not 10 ;)

[Islam4ever]

muslims hui made this art BRRRRAP

[Bajifan]

12 kicks of tam?

[terminater92]

i know the first form seen in that 12 Kicks of Tam School video.

[definitemaybe55]

I learned from Yu Cheng Hsiang. He teaches that these are heel kicks followed by slide heel step out. Also lower form.

[oslowutan]

I like it. This is almost exact to the tantui I was taught by my Sifu, Kurt Wong. Mike's jibengong is solid and it shows in his play.

[JobeX]

You know whats strange...I learned tan tui from Wu tan NY, and not only do we have twelve forms of tan tui, it looks very different although i can see some similarities.

[mikemartello]

Jobex, tantui as taught in taiwan wutan is 10roads from HanChingTan; 12 roads came later as an influence from other longfist people. Of course they resemble each other: my guess is NY Wutan styles has been evolved by Ma Laoshi influences from other sources, teachers, even your mantis style is a bit different from taiwan mantis, even though SuChang taught almost everyone in old Wutan. Now thats funny, best of luck in your training.

[NinjatoSama]

@JobeX

Hi. I study under John Chen in Philadelphia. I know the same Tantui or Spring Leg routine you guys do.

[megreenhulk]

wow, tantui worldwide is sooo different! the 12 sets i learned from CW were so snappy and hard and fast, like flicking a wet towel.

[yingjow]

I like your interpretation of tan tui. This is from a mantis school?

[mikemartello]

yingjow, yes I am a Mantis player not a TT player. I like to teach TT before I teach Mantis, it is great for basics it teaches that aid in Mantis foundations. So I teach all new students TT. That is why the flavor is a bit different... Its all good...

[yingjow]

Mr. Martello,

I was interested if tan tui is part of your mantis lineage or did you get it from another source? Which mantis style are you?

We have tan tui because of the ching mo influence.

[mikemartello]

yin, I play several mantis styles, with Babu as my major style. No TT is not part of our mantis lineage, but a companion style to teach bascis, TT is from Han Ching Tan, through Adam Hsu and may others in Taipei.

mike

[ironmantis3]

...But if you train in TJPM or other internal then most likely you will have other objectives anyways. But yeah I know just what you are saying. I'd be interested to hear your ways of handling this situation in your training. You have a lot more years in than I so hopefully I could learn a thing or two.

[ironmantis3]

I know exactly what you mean. I had the same thing going on when I was training Mantis/Tai chi as well. It was fine for those styles that redirect rather than meet head on. The thing about TT though is that it is a forceful system which attacks mainly straight through. So if you are going to meet force head on then it becomes an issue and power is lost if the leg is bent(as I recently learned the hard way while training in a Hung gar kwoon)...

[ironmantis3]

Mr. Martello, the one thing I will critique on is in the stances. Review your video and take not of your rear leg in your hill climb stance. Notice that it is not fully straightened and thus is slightly prohibiting your waist to fully square off at the end of the punch. Other than that very clean technique.

[mikemartello]

IM3,

I take critiques openly, you are correct, but you must understand tantui is not my major style. Maybe +15 years ago, and now all my other practices have changed my body, look to my other vids, mantis and internal arts, and these arts keep a slightly relaxed back knee.... I use TT to teach new students, that is why I keep it apart of my teachings. Thanks for you comments.

[ironmantis3]

However tan tui in not norther, souther, eagle, long fist or anything. Tan tui is tan tui. If it was to be something it would be western. Tan tui did not originate in china at all, it was introduced by Muslim immigrants and was so valued by the shaolin monks that they absorped it and it evolved from there.

Its always interesting to see the different varied versions of the tan tui routine from different styles.

[ironmantis3]

aelabbar, tan tui has been adapted by nearly every major kung fu style in some form. In my opinion this is due to the heavy influence of Shaolin on chinese martial styles. Shaolin used it extensively as a foundation for their arts, and many of the kung fu styles now days claim lineage connected to shaolin in some way, so that would explain it.

[aelabbar]

is like tan tui for long fist different than tan tui for eagle claw or mantis, etc.. or are they all the same??

[claron2303]

HEY all Wrong!! Tan Tui is from the Northern Sect of Wushu. And also this guy SUCKs at it

[mikemartello]

Thats is right I guess we were not clear where TanTui comes from??? Although everyone above states its from Northern roots... So I suck? Please can you show how its done, take your video camera and post to the community how it done? We are all fans of CMA and would love to see some good TanTui!!!

Thanks for your informative comment... I will work harder to do better...

regards...

[claron2303]

So Sorry, so you are the one doing the styles maybe i was too harsh on my words. But i strongly feel that the kicks are abit too low as they should reach the waist n the foot should be flat n not pointing upwards or it would be seen as Deng Tui.

[mikemartello]

I appreciate the reply... It is easier just to ask than put your foot in your mouth... If you look at my other clips you will see Tantui is not my main style at all, just a foundation style...

[mikemartello]

As for the kick, you see something different, my foot is not pointing upward but outwards as in Toe kick or toe flicking, snapping as the first roads teach just this... Dend Tui is the heel... But Later used or sometimes used in second road... As for the height that is just a stylistic idea, the kick can be anywhere!!!

regards...

Please post some of your Tantui I would like to see the differences...

[claron2303]

Soon will =)

[blackjamm]

Tan tui is probably my favourite of all gongfu training. When I began shaolinquan years ago, I started only with tan tui and the gong li quan form. Then typical meihuaquan forms - mai fu and shi zi tang. Northern trumps southern, in my opinion.

[enokidake]

It would be nice to see 6-10. Why not finish it?

[mikemartello]

HEhe, when I get the moment... Thanks for the encouragement!!! :)

[lilhustler88]

YAY NORTHERN . praying mantis , long fist, 18 lohan palm if u had heard of it all has longer stances than southern and more jumping envolved

[fzeeshan]

Here is a link to another Tan Tui form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=DiKwzMg9LTk

this one is from Cha Family.

[fzeeshan]

It's Called Tan Tui AKA Spring leg. Building block of most northern systems. Nan Quan is a generic term given to Contemporary Southern Wushu that came from, Choy lay fut, Hung Gar and some Wing Chung. None of the systems that Nan Chuan drived from has Tan Tui. Again it's very northern. Notice the kicks.

[PFJT]

what style does he uses? nan quan?

[mikemartello]

This is Long Fist, a basic Northern foundation building style that can be very useful...

[PFJT]

huh... =S are you sure its long fist? it doesnt look like long fist, the movements are too stiff. @_@