Meditation vs. Hallucinogens

[HIHIMIII56]

If you´re interesting about hearing more about this subject I strongly recommend you look here for this vid.: "Ken Wilber - Ayahuasca Part 1.wmv "

[koldblooded1]

what other things do you do to alter your conscious with naturally?

[LeapIntoMySoul]

I for myself think,it's the same mind,I'm entering with different methods.But since I prefer a clear mind,I meditate.Makes it easier to alter it.I'm not exhausted afterwards.And it's easier to adapt my experience to my daily routine.

[gope23]

I agree with you, and disagree with McKenna. Regardless, I would encourage everyone to check out more McKenna, he had a lot of insight.

[Orphen77]

does anyone know where i could find something to help me get started meditating?

[clint0nc0llier]

Always great. You're brilliant.

[achemachew]

What about binaural beats? Does anybody believe that they actually work?

[ShpinxiLotus23]

i am kind of somewhere in between the 2 polarities presented in this video about wether or not they produce the same results. meditation and yoga is like something that calms the mind and lets all thoughts settle down like dust settling on the ground after there is no wind... psychedelics is like hyper-processing every little detail of every single thought that crosses your mind and amplifying those thoughts.. both are totally wonderful, but at the same time mushrooms taught me yoga so....

[ShpinxiLotus23]

.. continued.. so its kind of a thin blurry line for me as to wether or not they produce the same results....

[ShpinxiLotus23]

ooo and also, the word "psychedelic" literally means "mind manifesting" and since the point of yoga is to calm the vittris that rise within the chitta it would make since that they are more like opposites so much that both are refreshing experiences to have

[cw200890]

I got to the point that I could change my consciousness at will. Just through a very little bit of psychedelic and dissociative drug experimentation combined with Buddhist meditation and binaural beats! People need to know how to operate that organ in our skulls that is the seat of how we behave, think, perceive, and integrate these things. Do it with caution! Many times you don't need any kind of drug. Read philosophy, study religion. Pray. Meditate. Go out of your way to be kind.

[younggkid]

you should make an instructional video on how to meditate or what to do to have the best experience with meditation and how to achieve out peak of meditation

[Orphen77]

thats a very good idea, some people need like an introduction to meditation

[cuisses0Minces]

i agree with you Krystal a 100% 'cause i think a lot of people might want to take a "druggy" short cut to altered states of consciousness. when u discover that it can be done naturaly it is a foundation like u said and combining the two together once you have that solid ground can truly be a transformative experience.

[MidnightDC696969]

inTERested

[ausfoolia1111]

MDMA promotes a more altruistic mode of consciousness than has maybe ever existed on the planet. On MDMA, one can love thy neighbour as thyself; and the lion can lie down with the lamb.. Competitiveness is replaced by love, tolerance and respect. Such social harmony seems "unnatural" if not miraculous when viewed from the poisonous miasma of mainstream society.

[cotage]

Is it true what your book says.. did you really worked as a nude dancer. You should have stick to it.

Because you don´t present a sound argument here, and plus you are not taking account of the evolutionary mind theory mcKenna is apealling to.

[cotage]

Is it true what your book says.. did you really worked as a nude dancer. You should have stick to it.

Because you don´t present a sound argument here, and plus you are not taking account of the evolutionary mind theory mcKenna is apealling to.

[ABOSOLUTEKNOWLEDGE]

owsome video

yes meditation is a great tool even without psyhedelics, and tiegrate exepericences etc

keep up the great videos u go girl:)

[spellgrounds]

Sharman - Meditation ? they like practice it for what 20 years or so and by that time will have achived the ultamite trip all natural too, not injesting anything, just the power of who we really are

[girlywhirlyclm07]

thanks for another great video!

ps you speak so eloquently :)

[kawuabonga]

Terence McKenna > Neurosoup

[clarkcolt45]

McKenna was a genius - BUT: he DID NOT HAVE enough experience of meditation.

His response was more like considering meeting "little green men" using drugs or using meditation. And from his point of view, he couldn't grasp the possibility to archive that without drugs.

Also, he was maybe thinking that meditating people were against drugs, so he couldn't see the possibility for drugs and meditation to co-exist.

But actually, most psychonauts today meditate.

[frostedsnowflakes]

Is anyone part of the peyote church of god in wilcox.

[TheStyxhexenhammer]

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[TheStyxhexenhammer]

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[chena3]

just had a thought

of you

as a psychedelic squirrel

storing up acorns and tabs of lsd

for the winter...

you had a big fluffy tail ..

[neutralph]

I disagree. I have done both and they are not alike.  It may be if you are religious/spiritual; but if you are not it is a different experience

[userenji]

Your background... I see birth.

[eldiagrama]

You are truly great. Where are you from? What made you get into all of this?

[mrblisterfist]

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[lpawl89]

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[smegingbastard]

well I think McKenna's problem is less with meditation itself and more with people or traditions who argue against entheogens and hallucinogens, offering meditation as a substitute.

[lxvlx]

What meditation are we talking here? .. what I practice does not aim to "alter consciousness", but merely observe the nature of consciousness as it is.

[nachodelico]

Well,as terrance makenna says: "Is only my opinion" and both points of views are very common,nothing new.The people of the jungle take the ayahuasca and see theirs gids,tha snake,the jaguar,tha water,the fire.People of the Tibet or india meditate and after years in the asram,a few,enter in the altered state an see gods,but this little numbre of people is treated like gods.2 differents ways i think ans is only my point of view

[Lorentz5]

um, could anyone recommend any books on meditation for a beginner?

[Lorentz5]

neurosoup you should write a book, i would buy it

[PsychicGirl25]

I ALWAYS meditate. It's so awesome! But, unfortunately, I don't have any way that I could have a psychedelic experience....

[terminaldeity]

I gotta side with McKenna on this one. There is nothing like the psychadelic experience. The idea that you can achieve the same experience through meditation is bull imo.

[CannabisHeals]

In my view and from my experiences, the point of meditation isn't to alter your consciousness, even though intensive, extended mediation can and will. Learning how to meditate is to learn how to maintain a frame of mind that is able to better reflect higher states of consciousness into your everyday life. It's learning how to make your mind not buzzing with thoughts all the time. It's not specifically to create an altered state, it's more to build a groundwork for the insights to take root in.

[FETTOGHETTO]

u r cute =)

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[NeuroSoup]

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[1schwererziehbar1]

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[deanneugebauer]

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[NeuroSoup]

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[xadart]

hahahaha

[lysergicaddict]

Best video yet.

I personally, dont think people who meditate should neglect psychedelics, likewise, I dont think people who use psychedelics should neglect meditation. They teach and train each other. I like to think of them as check systems for one another, the plants being the bar.

Its when meditation began to supersede the 30mg 5-MeO-DMT hits that I realized I probably never even took a drug in the first place, what the hell is dmt anyways? lol who? what? where? oh yeah, thats right...

[CasualMaggot]

I love you! <3 You are my spiritual guidance...

[fourth1000]

I tried meditation... now I can't stop waking up at the time 11:11... now I find that there is an entire society of people all over the world that have this issue.

[eb352mm]

i need to find a woman to trip with

[HisManifest]

You look nice today. (:

[MusicEjecter]

true but not the same.....! dig deep ao u can undertsand terrence....it goes deeper then u think

[rick4318]

really important question.

in my experience the distinction lies in the quality of positive versus negative experiences. meditation, yoga, and tai chi have given me a positive sensation indistinguishable from a positive LSD experience. but i've never had a negative experience with any of these practices, only with entheogens. all of it is entheogenic, you can contact entities with the practices, with the drugs, and definitely with both. however you can also become attached to a drug or practice.

[smegingbastard]

I also meditate regularly, I have experience with psychedelics and I'm very familiar with McKenna's work. I don't see him taking a negative position towards meditation at all. He just tries to point out, as you stated so well, even if you don't agree with it, the they are very different Realms of experience. But he is very understandably upset by the mindset of most organized religions that deal with meditation which is often against the use of entheogens or even against hallucinations.

[yoshihayashi]

enlightenment through drugs is never real enlightenment. only a placebo.

[shrunkensimon]

Psychedelics let you peer through the keyhole, meditation lets you unlock the door.

The best piece of advice i've heard about psychedelics, "When you've got the message, hang up the phone". Once you've understood the cosmic joke, then really the only thing left to do is perfect your character. Master the subtle body and attain balance in life, whilst preparing for a conscious transition in death.

Psychedelics won't do the inner work for you. Post-biological development requires meditation.

[KaylorMade]

I like how Mckenna has said: "Yes, you ca meditate, but psychedelics FORCE you into that realm... and it's guaranteed.

[2ruthfox82]

thanks for this video, this message definatly needed to be heard... peace and love...

[gotilk]

I consider meditation like an acoustic guitar. Psychedelics are an electric guitar, with 98 effects pedals, plugged in and turned up. Your volume may vary.

[kellyaesmith]

Drugs are very crude and meditation is very subtel. But ultimatly more powerfull. When you use drugs you cannot remain grounded and the tendancy is to try to conferm your realty rather than flow with it. Meditation teaches you purity of being so you can experience your egoless self. Drugs in there very nature will only cause attatchment. Meditation is more powerfull if your system is not aggitated. Meditation is subtel but powerfull. Drugs are crude and ultimatly limiting

[2ruthfox82]

i agree with you on meditation... but have you ever tried salvia divinorum, if not, do so then re-post.... peace and love to you...

[smegingbastard]

she has done videos on salvia

[kellyaesmith]

unforotunatly my times with such substance are no more

[Clairvoyant23]

I would say they are merely a tool toward meditation. Drugs aid you in acheiving certain states of mind and have a higher experience in most cases. Like it has been described before states of consciousness, like a building, has many layers, drugs are like an elevator and meditation is like taking the stairs both have their advantages but drugs are just a tool to get you to the top. It would really come down to wether or not you wanted to take that route. Both have their benefites. Peace

[ladivadivala]

I have yet to try an entheogen other than Calea. I have been reading on them to educate myself. I read DMT The Spirit Molecule, The Cosmic Serpent and am currently reading Ayahuasca The Visionary & Healing Powers of The Vine of The Soul. From what I'm reading these entheogens from the plants are not even Drugs. Drugs is a crude name for them and carries the connection to something unnatural. These seem to be links to our nature that we have forgotten about.

[MooWithMetubes]

meditation is what helped me get off of all my evil ssri's. Powerful indeed.

[Pr4dat0r]

meditation can help you think but as to create a different reality, you need the drugs

[McPfoot]

No you don't, research into astral projection.

[fiernocht]

I also agree meditation is a very great tool and plays into psychedelic experiences. You can also have one through the induction of pain, so it isnt limited to the use of entheogens. I have found that using Yoga Nidra while on various mild doses of lsa/lsd/ and oral salvia, has really unlocked many doors of consciousness that I was previously unaware of... so I say meditation can be a tool to go along with your other entheo inducing practices.

[luckyodeler]

I don't like religious BS very much, but I do call up God and leave a voicemail on occasion. I have varying opinions which contradict each other and so does TM. He's worried about people subscribing to inane religious BS designed to control people, etc. I wouldn't take what he says so seriously. He's just talking.

[REdirectURL]

I'm jealous that you have the will to mediate, I can be very lazy! Haha. I'm still not ready to get drugs that will aid my meditation, though. I don't know if I ever will, but I'm fine with that :)

[REdirectURL]

I'm jealous that you have the will to mediate, I can be very lazy! Haha. I'm still not ready to get drugs that will aid my meditation, though. I don't know if I ever will, but I'm fine with that :)

[crabbster21]

I viewed the McKenna video, and (in this video at least) he's talking very much like someone who has little or no training or knowledge in esoteric yoga meditation, so (though he has much of value to say on other subjects) here he seems very much to be making judgements about a subject he doesn't really know.

[xadart]

Everyone decides what they want to believe anyway.

[wash0087]

Terrence McKenna doesn't speak of that which he has not given himself to entirely. He was one of the greatest thinkers of the 20th century. It seems here that YOU are making judgements about a subject you're unfamiliar with.

[wildwildwes594]

That was explained perfectly, thank you for touching on this. Many people underestimate the power of meditation.

[mrkurt13]

I'm with you on this one. I think its just a realm he never personally experienced.

[TetraXannabis]

Can you teach me some of your techniques to shift the consciousness?

[Reecekennedy1995]

y the fuck is there a drug free world ad on all of ur vids

[superASSschaf]

Great vid!

[Theelusiveinzenga]

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