@kimluter el soplido le da a la técnica más fuerza, velocidad y firmeza y a la vez te ayuda a mantener el físico pues las formas cansan mucho más de lo que aparentan
Execute a dodging reverse turning kick to D with the right foot while flying away from D and then land to C to form a left L-stance toward D at the same time executing a middle guarding block to D with the forearm.
Why is our dear Mr.Suska here doing it on the spot and then holding his leg in front of him at mid-section after the high kick to the 45 degree angle? It's only making him lose balance and stumble slightly. I don't see what the point in that is..
@mixed8martial9artist That is the million dollar question.If you watch the Legacy Tul the performer gets his foot back in guarding position while landing, and then goes straight to the guarding block as he supposed to. However, I had the opportunity to watch a video from the 80s from a Gen.Choi seminar in Korea and there the performer kicks in mid air, then lands with both feet simultaneously, straight into the guarding block. I think that is the most correct version and thats what I am doing.
@mixed8martial9artist The key words are ".. while flying away from D AND THEN land to form.." The words 'and then' mean they do not have to come immediately afterwards, similar to movement 24 in Choong Moo. Just my thoughts!
I live in Korea, speak Korean and was able to get a set of the original TaeKwon-Do encyclopedias. General Choi was not good at English so I'm sure he didn't personally translate them.
In General Choi's words "D방에 대해 반대돌려차기를 하자마자 C에 내려..."
The part that's translated as "and then" actually translates as "as soon as" or "without delay".
@billysue2 I have a master in TKD and forms are crucial. Initially they teach proper technique in strikes and stances. In the higher ranks, forms can be interpreted to diversify one's particular fighting style (the moves they like to use most). Not all interpretations may be relevant to pro fighters because those fights have rules. Martial Art styles were developed for war between armies or resistance fighters. Form interpretations often kill the opponent, making them relevant for self def
@billysue2 - Most people train in tai chi for its health benefits, I was fortunate enough to train with an instructor who understood and explained its fighting aspect. I trained in Yang style short form. The form has strikes, blocks, throws and joint locks. When done up to speed, very effective.
I have been training in the martial arts for almost 25yrs. There is no such thing as a superior martial art, only a superior martial artist. If you feel practicing forms is a waste of time it may be because the person who taught you doesn't understand the actual application. Check out other schools until you find someone who understands. Its just like tai chi, can be simple exercise or used for devastating self-defense.
I have been training in the martial arts for almost 25yrs. There is no such thing as a superior martial art, only a superior martial artist. If you feel practicing forms is a waste of time it may be because the person who taught you doesn't understand the actual application. Check out other schools until you find someone who understands. Its just like tai chi, can be simple exercise or used for devastating self-defense.
he didn't look happy at the end there! i think he did pretty well though considering you have to hold your kick after the jump, thats bloody difficult!
i remember watching my 5. Dan master doing this during our practise some years ago...everyone where stunned after he was finished...damn it looks hard
juche is such a bear of a form. they way my instructor had us do it we shoot from the hip like you would do a normal side kick, and swing around slow. thighmaster 2000. even gets your heart rate up when you do it slowly.
Sinewave makes the TKD patterns look more like a dance. When you watch Koreans performing the patterns (see videos by lnxkde ) , they do not use sinewave.
When it's all said and done...i don't care what style of Martial Art people practice. A person's greatness n anything is determined by the person...not where the person comes from or what style he trains n. A person has to be dedicated to his art..practice before and after class..when he or she wants to and doesn't want to etc to be great or even good. I'm a TKD practicioner and have been for 19 years! I read all the comments about TKD is useless this and that but i promise it's not like talkin.
this replaced Ko dang.... the name and meaning of the pattern are quite offensive to many... it is all about the rational behind communist Korea and how man is all powerful............... despite that it is very hard...Gen Choi felt Ko Dang was too easy hence introduced this pattern... glad I do Ko dang tho have learnt this one as well.
@h0rangi it aint called ko dang.Ko dang was removed from the syllabus by choi and juche put in to appease the commie north,its an entirely different pattern.Some itf groups still use kodang and some have ideological isues with juche as it represents communist philosophy.
@billysue2 choi jung hwa renamed it to ko-dang. and rightfully so. juche? i live in s.korea and they still call it juche (as theyre not of jung hwa's ITF) and they kihap the word juche at the end of it. isnt that unbelievable? how could any self respecting south korean give honour to kim il seong?
@h0rangi The meaning behind Juche is not to give honor to Kim Il Seong. Its meaning " is a philosophical idea that man is the master of everything and decides everything, in other words, the idea that man is the master of the world and his own destiny. It is said that this idea was rooted in Baekdu Mountain which symbolizes the spirit of the Korean people. The diagram (&) represents Baekdu Mountain. " - General Choi Hong Hi's TKD encyclopedia.
HI.....i am living in south america........(sorry for mi english)....i could see you are living in S.Korea SO i WILL be grateful if you could clarify some information about Choi Hong Hi and Taekwon-do....
Thanks a lot
if you wanna help me...you can find me at facebook.....goltito@hotmail.com
i do TAGB style taekwondo and we dont do this pattern,but i must say it looks damn hard i mean i dont think every 2nd dan could do the split kick very well or do jumping reverse side kicks and still land in bending stance for that matter
@h0rangi thats how the general wanted it performed.Patterns arent related to anything practical so just think of them as a necesary waste of time if you want to grade.
@bukkake2007 they have no application outside themselves and arent even good exercise.The sine wave has made them even more useless.Patterns are just a way to train large numbers simultaneously and to preserve techniques that have no use in the first place.
If you're learning martial arts purely for the combat side of it then patterns may seem less like something you wanna do but they do help you learn the techniques with proper form, they are aesthetically pleasing, especially when you get a good team doing patterns togethor with staggers etc, they are fun and most definately are good exercise. I'll bet you $100 that you couldn't do all the patterns up to ge baek at even 50% power without breaking a sweat.
@bukkake2007 breaking a sweat doesnt make something good exercise.Patterns arent continuous enough to be good for aerobic capacity and do nothing for strength,speed or power.I dont think gen choi developed the patterns for either fun or prettiness,he actually thought they had combat value
You do more than break a sweat, I said that to try and make a point. You can make them as continuous as you want, speed them up, slow them down etc & get a good workout. They have combat value because they teach you how to do the techniques in proper form that you would use in a fight. Of course you wouldn't fight in stances etc but you'd feel a side kick more from someone who did patterns for years rather than one who didn't.
@bukkake2007 General Choi made patterns, to demonstrate technique and skill. It was not for prettiness and fun. bukkake2007 is absolutely right: it is also used to demonstrate technique that can be useful in sparring or in a life threating situation. Remember, TaeKwon-Do originated from General Choi, in the army. Im sure his troops didnt do it because it was fun.
@billysue2 it becomes very anaerobic when you put in maximum effort. absolutely exhausting.
though i agree, last night at the dojang we were practicing some extremely useless movements that appear in some tuls and i got so pissed off thinking 'why are we doing this? this is costing me 100,000 korean won per month. i will never use this in the ring or in self defence, it serves absolutely no purpose. a waste of training time.'
honestly cant think of why we even do tul. rubbish.
@AngelicPhantom no kata or pattern was ever any use,they are an exercise to preserve traditional movements that have no other application.For very unfit or older people I can see where it would be good exercise though,but still a poor choice compared to other forms of training.I was with th ITF for 17 yrs and won many patterns comps .For tul to be useful theyd have to be done just like shadowboxing which are good rehearsals for sparring.
@billysue2 I'm a karate man and a firm believer in the relevance of forms in any art that uses them.That said, unless they are done with the benefit of solid application explained by competent instructor, then forms will be meaningless. There are TKD guys who can do pretty forms, but can't fight worth spit. Then there's TKD guys who fight professionally and are good contenders, even in Muay Thai fights. Difference? The good TKD fighters were trained the right way, the other guys weren't.
@deek77 it doesnt matter the application ,techs are only useful when you practice them against resistance to develope timing and while the opponent is attacking you.Any tkd lad who fights professionally is training in the style theyre competing in,they are just using tkd as a base.It has nothing to do with the way tkd is taught.
@billysue2 You just described a way in which tkd is taught and applied, for the purpose of pro fighting, which proves my point. Training goals dictate the teaching and application. A pro fighter with a tkd background would already be familiar with tul/poomse, so now his training focus is on taking what he knows and using what applies to the ring. Same goes for an MMA fighter with a judo background. They already know judo kata, so now they work on what which tech's will apply in the cage.
@deek77 youre mistaken on both counts.Neither judo kata nor patterns have any combat value at all,they are for tradition and passing gradings.Elite judoka practically never do kata,they are irrelevant to randori.Nothing in a pattern can be applied to the ring without changing it completely.You have completely mistaken ideas about to train for combat if you think otherwise,I would have agreed with you 20 yrs ago.
@billysue2 Elite judo competitiors focus more on randori than kata because that's the training goal - applying what they're already learned. Once they become instructors, however, their focus is now teaching others, so they go back to basics and kata as well as randori. This is a similar pattern for many ex-competitiors of other arts. Clearly your former teacher did a bad job in his approach to TKD. It may have no value for you personally, and that's fine, but it works just fine for others.
@deek77 you dont learn anything through kata or patterns ,even less so in tkd since the moves in sparring are very different.My teacher taught exactly the way gen choi taught,pure rubbish
@billysue2 Can't exactly speak for how tkd is taught specifically, since I've never taken it. As far as patterns in other arts, there are plenty of pro fighters with traditional background who would disagree with you. You believe there's nothing to learn from forms, others would say they learned plenty. But as I said, that's okay, what works for one person may not work for another. Thanks for responding, much obliged.
@deek77 there are extremely few pro fighters who value trad training enough to use it,the ones who say it helped them are being respectful to their former teacher or dont know any better(fighters arent known for understanding why things work).Patterns help nobody, regardless of who they are,thats fact ,not opinion.
@billysue2 In order for that to be fact, you'd have to know the viewpoints and experiences of every single person involved in martial arts, which you don't. You can only speak for yourself, and perhaps those you've come in contact with or have heard gone on record about it. To say patterns didn't help you can be a fact, because it can be true regardless what anyone says. To say it helps no one is just your opinion.
@deek77 their viewpoints dont matter,its a fact that unresisted ,no contact ,air techs done completely differently to the way its applied cannot transfer to reality,its a principle of skill learning.Shadow sparring has some benefit because the skills are done exactly as they are used
@billysue2 Don't matter to you, perhaps. All you have stated so far is your views, not facts. You're convinced the all the techs are done completely different than how they're applied, which is not a fact. Besides, no competent teacher in TMA would train in patterns only. Supplemental training (resistance, cardio, plyometrics) is also a big part of traditional arts; they just do it differently than the modern schools....
@deek77 its a fact that for skills to transfer from training to an activity they must be specific,patterns are so different in every way from real fighting or even sparring that there is no transfer .Thats not opinion.Patterns and fundamental movements make up the majority of itf training and are in conflict with anything beneficial they do.
@billysue2 Granted, there are schools that only focus on forms and don't do any type of supplemental training, thinking that is enough. Those are the incompetent ones. You have teachers like that all over, and they give the good ones a bad name.
@billysue2 This convo can obviously go on for days, so I'll bow out there. If you feel led to respond, I'll just let you have the last word. Good talking with you.
@liam9654 tagb arent itf affiliated,they left in 1983 prior to the creation of this pattern so still do ko dang.If they couldnt do the pattern then they shouldnt be a 3rd dan.Patterns are a waste of time anyway but juche is harder than any of them..
& Master Kaiou was selected for a reason, hand picked by General Choi, people who critisize are just jealous! North Koreans are the best at ITF, founder was a North Korean! He was so proud of them demonstrating. It's a shame that there are so many disloyal people to him. The real ITF is the one who follows his Last Words. I have a firm belief his son will come back to ITF, meaning there will be the True ITF, and a breakaway to his Last Words.
The same way that Ethiopians are natural runners, Koreans are natural TKD'ists!
Mr Suska must have dedicated huge amounts of time to train and his physical abilities are astonishing.. An inspiration to me and hundreds of others i am sure!
@zambokschwammkopf Only one problem, TKD is Shotokan. It is not really korean. General Choi studied Shotokan, The Sine wave is only to deal with that fact.
@thecj29 yea interesting point. I don't think many people would agree that it ISNT korean, but Korean TKD practitioners are the most outstanding for technical skill
@thecj29 I know very little about Karate, but from what I have seen and been told, TaeKwon-Do has DEVELOPED leg techniques (perhaps not invented all the kicks) more than Karate.
@billysue2 If it is different from Shotokan now, it is because of the sine wave. Which is more likely the reason General Choi implemented it. The forms are still the same. TKD is unproven.
@thecj29 well the sparring is continous and leg dominant without sweeps so its completely different to shotokan.Only the colored belt forms are similar,black belt ones were created by choi and associates.Theres a heavy emphasis on breaking wood which isnt in shotokan.All trad arts from korea and japan are sorely lacking in combat,not just tkd.
@billysue2 Are you a International TKD practitioner. My argument is really against the sine wave. Do you think ITF can handle Shotokan? ITF was fine before Gen. Choi added this sine wave. There needs to be extensive testing of the efficacy of the sine wave against other styles. The sine wave slows techniques down.
@thecj29 17 years with the itf but that was 10 years ago now.Both tkd and shotokan are poor methods of combat in 99% of schools.The sine wave is completely unuseable in reality so it hasnt affected itf fighting style at all,its as bad as it always was and so is shotokan.The sine wave seems like it was put in to make tkd more distinct from other styles but its neither scientific nor useful.
@billysue2 What you said about the Sine wave is what I said, it was implemented to distinguish it from Shotokan. I did Itf when there was no sine wave, did Goju too. You know what some people call Tae Kwon Do? Take My Do. Thank You for your time
Agreed about Sine wave . I dont favour it . I think it looks silly and has no practical application . Not to say that the ITF dont have some amazing practitioners , but I think that someone put mushrooms in General Choi`s tea when he invented that .
Ju Che was named after the philosophy of Stalinist Mass murderer and evil dictator Kim il sung . A bit like calling a pattern Adolf Hitler Tul .
@h0rangi The Kodang pattern our 2nd Dans learn has different moves to Juche .
Juche is hard . I think it was General Choi`s tribute to North Korea`s cheerful absolute ruler and child murderer Kim Il Sung who has the philosophy " I can do what the fuck I like " or something similar.................
@ilikezappa please do your homework before slating the founder of TKD for naming a pattern after someone like Kim Il Sung. That is not the meaning of the pattern, nor should it be interpreted as such.
The principle of sine wave is sound, it is merely the practitioners own interpretation that can lead them astray. If you don't like it, it just means you're doing it wrong.
@AndyTKD99 I started practising TKD before you were born Andy , so do know a little on the subject. I dont care for the Sine wave . I think it looks crap and has no practical benefit.(otherwise boxers might use it ?) Juche is a philosophical idea that man is the master of nature , embraced by murdering dictator Kim Il Sung . Choi named the pattern to try and gain favour with the North Koreans is my understanding. Whatever , if you like it then good luck , be happy and enjoy your art.
@AndyTKD99 he's right. it was called kodang but that wouldn't sit well with the north koreans and so he changed it to juche to gain favour. it's a great pattern but there's no way i'll ever kihap the word juche at the end of it and give honour to that murdering, war waging little shit. its the exact principle of juche thats the cause of korea still being separated but the 24th tul is called tong-il? ridiculous. the pattern is called kodang. not juche.
@Leml0818 they are not hyungs, they are tul. if you care about the general's terminology you will call them tul.
he renamed kodang to juche to gain favour in north korea.
as much as i respect the father of taekwondo i will never give honour to the ideology of kim il sung. they call it juche in our dojang (in korea) but...i do not kihap that upon completion of it.
@ilikezappa I do not agree with Kim Il Sung and comunism, i consider myself anti comunist, but i do not mix politics with martial arts. Juche is an incredible pattern, one of my favorites and sine wave does generate power, we use it on power breaking competition. I sugest you go to a good ITF dojang and try to learn a bit about sine wave and the fundamentals behind it. If you still do not like it, you will have stronger arguments than "it looks silly".
@aconchon I got my 4th Dan with the ITF in 2003 . I mean no disrespect to ITF practitioners , some of whom are amazing. I dont care for the Sine wave and think that the "science "behind it is crap . If it was of any practical use , you would think that someone might let pro boxers on the big secret , so that they could increase their power?? Martial arts is riven with politics , which is a shame , but inevitable.
@zambokschwammkopf koreans arent natural at tkd,its entirely due to the amount of time they put in and how important it is in their culture.Certain tribes in ethiopia and kenya are genetically suited to distance running,the same cannot be said for koreans with tkd or japanese with judo.Weasterners are far better at sparring than the koreans.
@zambokschwammkopf nearly all sparring world champs have been non asian,destruction too.In patterns the koreans are best because of the large emphasis put on those ovr there,it has nothing to do with nationality
The North Koreans are better than him at Juche! Thats nothing! If you want to be a true ITF World Champion, beat a North Korean, lets all remember that General Choi Hong Hi came from DPRK!! Without them, There is no Taekwon-Do!
fffff, Once again, there's no elite martial art, only fighters. The only one would be Fung Fu, and only because it's considered the mother of marcial arts. Even in my TKD class they've told me.
he has fantastic form but his hand techniques look weak, his body movement is loose and relaxed and excellent sinewave,leading you to think he will deliver a powerful punch or strike but they look weak.
Look at the end of the form when he said JUCHE...I guess he is disapproving with his head what he did (maybe because he didn't finish from where he started)...who may know¿?
I love eui am! It has some really cool moves in it, and it's easy to make look good, so it's a good one for tournaments. But some of my favorite forms are probably Choong-Moo, Kwang-Gae, Ge-Baek, and Hyung Sil :)
Last time I saw my friend Suska doing Juche I was teaching a seminar with him, & it was stunning to watch. Great to see him on this clip, thanks. His patterns are beautiful!
I've been looking at these videos for a while. I really appreciate the wonderful technique and the fact that you've uploaded these videos. They've helped me a lot and inspired me a lot! I'm humbly curious to know why there are no kihaps during the performance of these forms. I'm curious because I was trained to kihap on certain movements during the forms.
Thank you for your reply. The school I trained under makes no claims to be mixed with WTF. My Grandmaster is Bu Kwang Park, co-founder of Unified Tae Kwon Do. I didn't know that these patterns originally had no kihaps. Thank you!
Historically the patterns were ended with a kihap before the ITF went over to sine wave in the early '80s, then the kihap fell out of favour. Instead the name of the pattern is said at the end of the pattern. This is more likely a choice made by Gen. Choi to distinguish TKD from Shotokan which, lets all face it, is the mother root of TKD regardless of nationalistic posturing to the contrary.
his movements are all so bouncey and nothing locks out i am just greatful i had a really good instructor that had great tkd roots(his old teacher is the president of kukkiwon)
UN APREGUNTA. POR QUE SOPLA EN CADA MOVIMIENTO?
kimluter 1 week ago
@kimluter en algunas escuelas se larga el aire para dar mas fuerza a la tecnica
santij95 1 week ago
@kimluter el soplido le da a la técnica más fuerza, velocidad y firmeza y a la vez te ayuda a mantener el físico pues las formas cansan mucho más de lo que aparentan
SEPR94 6 days ago
omg looks insanely difficult :(
LazyStyIe 3 weeks ago
You just gotta love the ITF forms. Masterfully executed as well.
C2thaJ 4 weeks ago
POLLAND
RUbanepaNL 2 months ago
se equivoco de nombre?
pacotkdapat 3 months ago
@pacotkdapat No, la cara que pone antes de ir al chumbi es porque no termina el tul en el lugar.
arlekinzero7 1 week ago
1:11
Execute a dodging reverse turning kick to D with the right foot while flying away from D and then land to C to form a left L-stance toward D at the same time executing a middle guarding block to D with the forearm.
Why is our dear Mr.Suska here doing it on the spot and then holding his leg in front of him at mid-section after the high kick to the 45 degree angle? It's only making him lose balance and stumble slightly. I don't see what the point in that is..
..Anyone know? ^^;;
mixed8martial9artist 4 months ago
@mixed8martial9artist That is the million dollar question.If you watch the Legacy Tul the performer gets his foot back in guarding position while landing, and then goes straight to the guarding block as he supposed to. However, I had the opportunity to watch a video from the 80s from a Gen.Choi seminar in Korea and there the performer kicks in mid air, then lands with both feet simultaneously, straight into the guarding block. I think that is the most correct version and thats what I am doing.
irmasil3 4 months ago
@mixed8martial9artist The key words are ".. while flying away from D AND THEN land to form.." The words 'and then' mean they do not have to come immediately afterwards, similar to movement 24 in Choong Moo. Just my thoughts!
zambokschwammkopf 1 month ago
I live in Korea, speak Korean and was able to get a set of the original TaeKwon-Do encyclopedias. General Choi was not good at English so I'm sure he didn't personally translate them.
In General Choi's words "D방에 대해 반대돌려차기를 하자마자 C에 내려..."
The part that's translated as "and then" actually translates as "as soon as" or "without delay".
mixed8martial9artist 1 month ago
Beautifully Done! bravo!
kize39 6 months ago
Amazing pattern. Juche is tough
lesstalkmorerockuk 6 months ago
@billysue2 I have a master in TKD and forms are crucial. Initially they teach proper technique in strikes and stances. In the higher ranks, forms can be interpreted to diversify one's particular fighting style (the moves they like to use most). Not all interpretations may be relevant to pro fighters because those fights have rules. Martial Art styles were developed for war between armies or resistance fighters. Form interpretations often kill the opponent, making them relevant for self def
Torqe27 7 months ago
Very impressive.
ajb8487 7 months ago
best pattern imo
wobbygongman 9 months ago
@billysue2 - Most people train in tai chi for its health benefits, I was fortunate enough to train with an instructor who understood and explained its fighting aspect. I trained in Yang style short form. The form has strikes, blocks, throws and joint locks. When done up to speed, very effective.
tkdchick68 10 months ago
i'm jealous :D
stat251097 11 months ago
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I have been training in the martial arts for almost 25yrs. There is no such thing as a superior martial art, only a superior martial artist. If you feel practicing forms is a waste of time it may be because the person who taught you doesn't understand the actual application. Check out other schools until you find someone who understands. Its just like tai chi, can be simple exercise or used for devastating self-defense.
tkdchick68 11 months ago
I have been training in the martial arts for almost 25yrs. There is no such thing as a superior martial art, only a superior martial artist. If you feel practicing forms is a waste of time it may be because the person who taught you doesn't understand the actual application. Check out other schools until you find someone who understands. Its just like tai chi, can be simple exercise or used for devastating self-defense.
tkdchick68 11 months ago
@tkdchick68 if you think tai chi is a combat art ,you are dreaming,if they train like sanshou then yes but that aint tai chi.
billysue2 10 months ago
he didn't look happy at the end there! i think he did pretty well though considering you have to hold your kick after the jump, thats bloody difficult!
robinlalalalala 1 year ago
i remember watching my 5. Dan master doing this during our practise some years ago...everyone where stunned after he was finished...damn it looks hard
apina313 1 year ago
REAL MASTER
ciekawyswiata1 1 year ago
juche is such a bear of a form. they way my instructor had us do it we shoot from the hip like you would do a normal side kick, and swing around slow. thighmaster 2000. even gets your heart rate up when you do it slowly.
Raitsogen 1 year ago
you should lay your body sideways more when you scisor kick. but your form woops my form's ass.
Raitsogen 1 year ago
Sinewave makes the TKD patterns look more like a dance. When you watch Koreans performing the patterns (see videos by lnxkde ) , they do not use sinewave.
coshigould 1 year ago
Mint!
Jestery1974 1 year ago
It's amazing how Master Suska must have trained himself to the physical ability point that he has in this video. Pure artistry!
matckagape2114 1 year ago
When it's all said and done...i don't care what style of Martial Art people practice. A person's greatness n anything is determined by the person...not where the person comes from or what style he trains n. A person has to be dedicated to his art..practice before and after class..when he or she wants to and doesn't want to etc to be great or even good. I'm a TKD practicioner and have been for 19 years! I read all the comments about TKD is useless this and that but i promise it's not like talkin.
palkumchi 1 year ago 14
hahahaha idiots using the word Juche.
beyondsupreme 1 year ago
Thanks to years in tkd, i have developed a nasty knockout kick that has saved my ass in a few altercations.
xxxsssxxxsss 1 year ago
My Sabum-Nim is currently working on this form.
BassmanII 1 year ago
one word: PERFECT
12345TT54321 1 year ago
this replaced Ko dang.... the name and meaning of the pattern are quite offensive to many... it is all about the rational behind communist Korea and how man is all powerful............... despite that it is very hard...Gen Choi felt Ko Dang was too easy hence introduced this pattern... glad I do Ko dang tho have learnt this one as well.
stalinscat 2 years ago
this one is called Ko-Dang now
h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi it aint called ko dang.Ko dang was removed from the syllabus by choi and juche put in to appease the commie north,its an entirely different pattern.Some itf groups still use kodang and some have ideological isues with juche as it represents communist philosophy.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 choi jung hwa renamed it to ko-dang. and rightfully so. juche? i live in s.korea and they still call it juche (as theyre not of jung hwa's ITF) and they kihap the word juche at the end of it. isnt that unbelievable? how could any self respecting south korean give honour to kim il seong?
think i'll be having words soon
h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi The meaning behind Juche is not to give honor to Kim Il Seong. Its meaning " is a philosophical idea that man is the master of everything and decides everything, in other words, the idea that man is the master of the world and his own destiny. It is said that this idea was rooted in Baekdu Mountain which symbolizes the spirit of the Korean people. The diagram (&) represents Baekdu Mountain. " - General Choi Hong Hi's TKD encyclopedia.
christianpunk20 1 year ago 2
@christianpunk20
Thank you!
thepalacemaid 2 weeks ago
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HI.....i am living in south america........(sorry for mi english)....i could see you are living in S.Korea SO i WILL be grateful if you could clarify some information about Choi Hong Hi and Taekwon-do....
Thanks a lot
if you wanna help me...you can find me at facebook.....goltito@hotmail.com
RAUKI10 1 year ago
i do TAGB style taekwondo and we dont do this pattern,but i must say it looks damn hard i mean i dont think every 2nd dan could do the split kick very well or do jumping reverse side kicks and still land in bending stance for that matter
liam9654 2 years ago
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h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi this guys the best if he holds it out you probly have to hold it out
MilitantBlackGuy1 1 year ago
@h0rangi and its a jumping reverse turning kick :P
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h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi thats how the general wanted it performed.Patterns arent related to anything practical so just think of them as a necesary waste of time if you want to grade.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
How are patterns a waste of time?
bukkake2007 1 year ago
@bukkake2007 they have no application outside themselves and arent even good exercise.The sine wave has made them even more useless.Patterns are just a way to train large numbers simultaneously and to preserve techniques that have no use in the first place.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
If you're learning martial arts purely for the combat side of it then patterns may seem less like something you wanna do but they do help you learn the techniques with proper form, they are aesthetically pleasing, especially when you get a good team doing patterns togethor with staggers etc, they are fun and most definately are good exercise. I'll bet you $100 that you couldn't do all the patterns up to ge baek at even 50% power without breaking a sweat.
bukkake2007 1 year ago
@bukkake2007 breaking a sweat doesnt make something good exercise.Patterns arent continuous enough to be good for aerobic capacity and do nothing for strength,speed or power.I dont think gen choi developed the patterns for either fun or prettiness,he actually thought they had combat value
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
You do more than break a sweat, I said that to try and make a point. You can make them as continuous as you want, speed them up, slow them down etc & get a good workout. They have combat value because they teach you how to do the techniques in proper form that you would use in a fight. Of course you wouldn't fight in stances etc but you'd feel a side kick more from someone who did patterns for years rather than one who didn't.
bukkake2007 1 year ago
@bukkake2007 General Choi made patterns, to demonstrate technique and skill. It was not for prettiness and fun. bukkake2007 is absolutely right: it is also used to demonstrate technique that can be useful in sparring or in a life threating situation. Remember, TaeKwon-Do originated from General Choi, in the army. Im sure his troops didnt do it because it was fun.
MultiCocoNutz 1 year ago
@billysue2 it becomes very anaerobic when you put in maximum effort. absolutely exhausting.
though i agree, last night at the dojang we were practicing some extremely useless movements that appear in some tuls and i got so pissed off thinking 'why are we doing this? this is costing me 100,000 korean won per month. i will never use this in the ring or in self defence, it serves absolutely no purpose. a waste of training time.'
honestly cant think of why we even do tul. rubbish.
h0rangi 1 year ago
@billysue2 Do them properly and you may find them of some use.
That is the most ignorant and arrogant comment I have read today. Which is saying something on Youtube.
AngelicPhantom 11 months ago
@AngelicPhantom no kata or pattern was ever any use,they are an exercise to preserve traditional movements that have no other application.For very unfit or older people I can see where it would be good exercise though,but still a poor choice compared to other forms of training.I was with th ITF for 17 yrs and won many patterns comps .For tul to be useful theyd have to be done just like shadowboxing which are good rehearsals for sparring.
billysue2 11 months ago
@billysue2 I'm a karate man and a firm believer in the relevance of forms in any art that uses them.That said, unless they are done with the benefit of solid application explained by competent instructor, then forms will be meaningless. There are TKD guys who can do pretty forms, but can't fight worth spit. Then there's TKD guys who fight professionally and are good contenders, even in Muay Thai fights. Difference? The good TKD fighters were trained the right way, the other guys weren't.
deek77 10 months ago
@deek77 it doesnt matter the application ,techs are only useful when you practice them against resistance to develope timing and while the opponent is attacking you.Any tkd lad who fights professionally is training in the style theyre competing in,they are just using tkd as a base.It has nothing to do with the way tkd is taught.
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 You just described a way in which tkd is taught and applied, for the purpose of pro fighting, which proves my point. Training goals dictate the teaching and application. A pro fighter with a tkd background would already be familiar with tul/poomse, so now his training focus is on taking what he knows and using what applies to the ring. Same goes for an MMA fighter with a judo background. They already know judo kata, so now they work on what which tech's will apply in the cage.
deek77 10 months ago
@deek77 youre mistaken on both counts.Neither judo kata nor patterns have any combat value at all,they are for tradition and passing gradings.Elite judoka practically never do kata,they are irrelevant to randori.Nothing in a pattern can be applied to the ring without changing it completely.You have completely mistaken ideas about to train for combat if you think otherwise,I would have agreed with you 20 yrs ago.
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 Elite judo competitiors focus more on randori than kata because that's the training goal - applying what they're already learned. Once they become instructors, however, their focus is now teaching others, so they go back to basics and kata as well as randori. This is a similar pattern for many ex-competitiors of other arts. Clearly your former teacher did a bad job in his approach to TKD. It may have no value for you personally, and that's fine, but it works just fine for others.
deek77 10 months ago
@deek77 you dont learn anything through kata or patterns ,even less so in tkd since the moves in sparring are very different.My teacher taught exactly the way gen choi taught,pure rubbish
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 Can't exactly speak for how tkd is taught specifically, since I've never taken it. As far as patterns in other arts, there are plenty of pro fighters with traditional background who would disagree with you. You believe there's nothing to learn from forms, others would say they learned plenty. But as I said, that's okay, what works for one person may not work for another. Thanks for responding, much obliged.
deek77 10 months ago
@deek77 there are extremely few pro fighters who value trad training enough to use it,the ones who say it helped them are being respectful to their former teacher or dont know any better(fighters arent known for understanding why things work).Patterns help nobody, regardless of who they are,thats fact ,not opinion.
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 In order for that to be fact, you'd have to know the viewpoints and experiences of every single person involved in martial arts, which you don't. You can only speak for yourself, and perhaps those you've come in contact with or have heard gone on record about it. To say patterns didn't help you can be a fact, because it can be true regardless what anyone says. To say it helps no one is just your opinion.
deek77 10 months ago
@deek77 their viewpoints dont matter,its a fact that unresisted ,no contact ,air techs done completely differently to the way its applied cannot transfer to reality,its a principle of skill learning.Shadow sparring has some benefit because the skills are done exactly as they are used
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 Don't matter to you, perhaps. All you have stated so far is your views, not facts. You're convinced the all the techs are done completely different than how they're applied, which is not a fact. Besides, no competent teacher in TMA would train in patterns only. Supplemental training (resistance, cardio, plyometrics) is also a big part of traditional arts; they just do it differently than the modern schools....
deek77 10 months ago
@deek77 its a fact that for skills to transfer from training to an activity they must be specific,patterns are so different in every way from real fighting or even sparring that there is no transfer .Thats not opinion.Patterns and fundamental movements make up the majority of itf training and are in conflict with anything beneficial they do.
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 Granted, there are schools that only focus on forms and don't do any type of supplemental training, thinking that is enough. Those are the incompetent ones. You have teachers like that all over, and they give the good ones a bad name.
deek77 10 months ago
@billysue2 This convo can obviously go on for days, so I'll bow out there. If you feel led to respond, I'll just let you have the last word. Good talking with you.
deek77 10 months ago
@billysue2 Your an idiot
Senseikevin1 10 months ago
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billysue2 10 months ago
@liam9654 tagb arent itf affiliated,they left in 1983 prior to the creation of this pattern so still do ko dang.If they couldnt do the pattern then they shouldnt be a 3rd dan.Patterns are a waste of time anyway but juche is harder than any of them..
billysue2 1 year ago
trully a champion
lagaucho12 2 years ago
thats good
lawker777 2 years ago
"sch"!
moOswe 2 years ago
@moOswe yea the new itf do that instead of kia. kinda gay if u ask me but whAtever.
jiggahippo 2 years ago
Best pattern, though it would be nice to see u doing ko-dan (don't know the exact name) but is the patter that was replaced by juche.
OxYcOd0n3 2 years ago
Got an autograph on my ID and a pic with him last sunday @ the WC =D
AsBf2 2 years ago
that must have been the experience of lifetime!
melonfist88 2 years ago
I saw him too at the WC2009.. im so impressed His performances were ...brillant!! and of course he is also a reference for me and many others...
KarminhaSoundzone 2 years ago
I saw him at the WC, he won!! Congrats! =)
AsBf2 2 years ago
Im living in luibartów too ! :D
rapolska 2 years ago
im very proud im living at lubartów:) brawo Jarek good luck and keep on:)
wojo1408 2 years ago
i'm a 2nd degree now and i've just learnt juche nd i'm tryin to learn the split kick, it's solid as lol (:
kongai186 2 years ago
I wish I could do my patterns like that, i didnt get taught two of the moves
Im going for a big testing on sunday (like 2 days ) and im going for my third degree in a year
MissyLondon101 2 years ago
i wish you good luck! i' done my third dan in last june, i spend a a lot of time learning here the forms! ciao
casafantosi 2 years ago
I passed lol yaay, omg mr instructor has just told me that he was soo pleased with me i might be going for my 3rd in march
MissyLondon101 2 years ago
& Master Kaiou was selected for a reason, hand picked by General Choi, people who critisize are just jealous! North Koreans are the best at ITF, founder was a North Korean! He was so proud of them demonstrating. It's a shame that there are so many disloyal people to him. The real ITF is the one who follows his Last Words. I have a firm belief his son will come back to ITF, meaning there will be the True ITF, and a breakaway to his Last Words.
evanswebdesignnz 2 years ago
The same way that Ethiopians are natural runners, Koreans are natural TKD'ists!
Mr Suska must have dedicated huge amounts of time to train and his physical abilities are astonishing.. An inspiration to me and hundreds of others i am sure!
zambokschwammkopf 2 years ago 14
@zambokschwammkopf Only one problem, TKD is Shotokan. It is not really korean. General Choi studied Shotokan, The Sine wave is only to deal with that fact.
thecj29 1 year ago
@thecj29 yea interesting point. I don't think many people would agree that it ISNT korean, but Korean TKD practitioners are the most outstanding for technical skill
zambokschwammkopf 1 year ago
@zambokschwammkopf What Technical skills set TKD apart? Especially now that the sine wave has been implemented.
thecj29 1 year ago
@thecj29 I know very little about Karate, but from what I have seen and been told, TaeKwon-Do has DEVELOPED leg techniques (perhaps not invented all the kicks) more than Karate.
zambokschwammkopf 1 year ago
@thecj29 the itf as it is now is very different to shotokan.Originally it was identical except for the kicks
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 If it is different from Shotokan now, it is because of the sine wave. Which is more likely the reason General Choi implemented it. The forms are still the same. TKD is unproven.
thecj29 1 year ago
@thecj29 well the sparring is continous and leg dominant without sweeps so its completely different to shotokan.Only the colored belt forms are similar,black belt ones were created by choi and associates.Theres a heavy emphasis on breaking wood which isnt in shotokan.All trad arts from korea and japan are sorely lacking in combat,not just tkd.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Are you a International TKD practitioner. My argument is really against the sine wave. Do you think ITF can handle Shotokan? ITF was fine before Gen. Choi added this sine wave. There needs to be extensive testing of the efficacy of the sine wave against other styles. The sine wave slows techniques down.
thecj29 1 year ago
@thecj29 17 years with the itf but that was 10 years ago now.Both tkd and shotokan are poor methods of combat in 99% of schools.The sine wave is completely unuseable in reality so it hasnt affected itf fighting style at all,its as bad as it always was and so is shotokan.The sine wave seems like it was put in to make tkd more distinct from other styles but its neither scientific nor useful.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 What you said about the Sine wave is what I said, it was implemented to distinguish it from Shotokan. I did Itf when there was no sine wave, did Goju too. You know what some people call Tae Kwon Do? Take My Do. Thank You for your time
thecj29 1 year ago
Agreed about Sine wave . I dont favour it . I think it looks silly and has no practical application . Not to say that the ITF dont have some amazing practitioners , but I think that someone put mushrooms in General Choi`s tea when he invented that .
Ju Che was named after the philosophy of Stalinist Mass murderer and evil dictator Kim il sung . A bit like calling a pattern Adolf Hitler Tul .
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa it was renamed kodang
h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi The Kodang pattern our 2nd Dans learn has different moves to Juche .
Juche is hard . I think it was General Choi`s tribute to North Korea`s cheerful absolute ruler and child murderer Kim Il Sung who has the philosophy " I can do what the fuck I like " or something similar.................
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa please do your homework before slating the founder of TKD for naming a pattern after someone like Kim Il Sung. That is not the meaning of the pattern, nor should it be interpreted as such.
The principle of sine wave is sound, it is merely the practitioners own interpretation that can lead them astray. If you don't like it, it just means you're doing it wrong.
AndyTKD99 1 year ago
@AndyTKD99 I started practising TKD before you were born Andy , so do know a little on the subject. I dont care for the Sine wave . I think it looks crap and has no practical benefit.(otherwise boxers might use it ?) Juche is a philosophical idea that man is the master of nature , embraced by murdering dictator Kim Il Sung . Choi named the pattern to try and gain favour with the North Koreans is my understanding. Whatever , if you like it then good luck , be happy and enjoy your art.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@AndyTKD99 he's right. it was called kodang but that wouldn't sit well with the north koreans and so he changed it to juche to gain favour. it's a great pattern but there's no way i'll ever kihap the word juche at the end of it and give honour to that murdering, war waging little shit. its the exact principle of juche thats the cause of korea still being separated but the 24th tul is called tong-il? ridiculous. the pattern is called kodang. not juche.
h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi While some schools still practice Go-Dang, General Choi removed it from the ITF Hyungs. Juche replaced the form.
Leml0818 1 year ago
@Leml0818 they are not hyungs, they are tul. if you care about the general's terminology you will call them tul.
he renamed kodang to juche to gain favour in north korea.
as much as i respect the father of taekwondo i will never give honour to the ideology of kim il sung. they call it juche in our dojang (in korea) but...i do not kihap that upon completion of it.
anyways juche and kodang are the same tul.
h0rangi 1 year ago
@h0rangi Look up Ko-dang... there is a vid from kick-t... tell me if it is the same form as Juche...
Leml0818 1 year ago
@ilikezappa I do not agree with Kim Il Sung and comunism, i consider myself anti comunist, but i do not mix politics with martial arts. Juche is an incredible pattern, one of my favorites and sine wave does generate power, we use it on power breaking competition. I sugest you go to a good ITF dojang and try to learn a bit about sine wave and the fundamentals behind it. If you still do not like it, you will have stronger arguments than "it looks silly".
aconchon 1 year ago
@aconchon I got my 4th Dan with the ITF in 2003 . I mean no disrespect to ITF practitioners , some of whom are amazing. I dont care for the Sine wave and think that the "science "behind it is crap . If it was of any practical use , you would think that someone might let pro boxers on the big secret , so that they could increase their power?? Martial arts is riven with politics , which is a shame , but inevitable.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
Have to say , in spite of that, Mr Suska is brilliant .
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@thecj29
How exactly is TKD unproven? How do you define "proven"?
bukkake2007 1 year ago
@zambokschwammkopf koreans arent natural at tkd,its entirely due to the amount of time they put in and how important it is in their culture.Certain tribes in ethiopia and kenya are genetically suited to distance running,the same cannot be said for koreans with tkd or japanese with judo.Weasterners are far better at sparring than the koreans.
billysue2 1 year ago
@zambokschwammkopf nearly all sparring world champs have been non asian,destruction too.In patterns the koreans are best because of the large emphasis put on those ovr there,it has nothing to do with nationality
billysue2 11 months ago
@zambokschwammkopf He is not korean.He is polish.
alanmisiewicz 10 months ago
@alanmisiewicz yea i know he's polish.. some people had commented saying that Koreans were better at patterns than Mr Suska, thats all :)
zambokschwammkopf 10 months ago
@zambokschwammkopf South Korea has no one anywhere near Mr Suska's standard. North Korea though...maybe...maybe..
mixed8martial9artist 4 months ago
The North Koreans are better than him at Juche! Thats nothing! If you want to be a true ITF World Champion, beat a North Korean, lets all remember that General Choi Hong Hi came from DPRK!! Without them, There is no Taekwon-Do!
evanswebdesignnz 2 years ago
IMO this is one of the hardest ones...
AsBf2 2 years ago 4
I love Suska but i would of expected more out of that twist jumping kick
eoinb57 2 years ago 2
Sadly he couldnt bck to his initial position... and tat's y he shake his head at the end :D
Anyway nice moves, nice leg controlling and nice balancing, still a gd one!
bibihang 2 years ago 2
i love watching this pattern... its my favorite itf tul.. to this day Murice Smith of Jamaica is best person i av seen demonstrate this pattern
gahja 2 years ago
Juche is the 15th ITF Pattern^^
SUPERritschi 2 years ago
nice
askdjajsdn 2 years ago
fffff, Once again, there's no elite martial art, only fighters. The only one would be Fung Fu, and only because it's considered the mother of marcial arts. Even in my TKD class they've told me.
RICKYFALL 2 years ago
With your skill you should be doing some real martial art. You are really good but that juche is just poor. (IMO)
DocLoony 2 years ago
@DocLoony I'd love to see you do better.
AngelicPhantom 11 months ago
It's is difficult to back to the start point.
mykenny 2 years ago
did he say choong-jang? xD
When I was little, me and a friend were in a championship and he was doing Do-san and he saied Dang- san, Horryble xD
he lost in the 5th!
agustintheone 2 years ago
awesome kicks and leg control!
Alex4124124 2 years ago
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Alex4124124 2 years ago
nice
yuenj01 2 years ago
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this is the hardest taekwondo form i've ever seen. but still not as hard as our gong fu forms or wushu. @.@
ShadowxVincent 2 years ago
he has fantastic form but his hand techniques look weak, his body movement is loose and relaxed and excellent sinewave,leading you to think he will deliver a powerful punch or strike but they look weak.
paulio113 2 years ago
Look at the end of the form when he said JUCHE...I guess he is disapproving with his head what he did (maybe because he didn't finish from where he started)...who may know¿?
callabres 2 years ago
you're probably right haha everyone does that little shake when they end up finishing off of the starting point, and wondering how that happened
h0rangi 2 years ago
q formita
agustintheone 2 years ago
i just finished learning eui am and am moving on to this. This looks like a whole new beast, and fun as hell
awesomeman88 2 years ago
I love eui am! It has some really cool moves in it, and it's easy to make look good, so it's a good one for tournaments. But some of my favorite forms are probably Choong-Moo, Kwang-Gae, Ge-Baek, and Hyung Sil :)
JohnnysPiratePrinces 2 years ago
woah woah, hyeong-sil???
what's that? ^^;;
h0rangi 2 years ago
It's one of the supplementary forms. I won Summer Nationals 2001 with it. Good times!
JohnnysPiratePrinces 2 years ago
ive never done this form before, but it
and pardon my french
but looks cool as hell
bobbaybo 2 years ago
I agree. I have a 2nd degree but they replaced Juche with Pyung Hwa. Lucky for me Pyung Hwa doesn't have that split kick in it though!
JohnnysPiratePrinces 2 years ago
yeah in my curriculum, this form would be replaced with Ko Dang
i like all the black belt forms
and ive taken a strong liking to yu sin lately
bobbaybo 2 years ago
1:13 is a beautiful land on the jump spin heel kick
ab12beasty 2 years ago
I was looking for my 3rd dan patterns, and I watched this guy do them and had to watch more
I'm jealous....he has awesome forms
buzurkur 3 years ago
Last time I saw my friend Suska doing Juche I was teaching a seminar with him, & it was stunning to watch. Great to see him on this clip, thanks. His patterns are beautiful!
mdbba 3 years ago
Suska the best!!!! ;)
dirindindin 3 years ago
1:13 was crazy! he landed that on one leg!
luckyliar1 3 years ago
Luckily this Tul is for advanced Dan belts, if this for Gup belts, I won't pass the exam...hahaha
zhugeliang007 3 years ago
I've been looking at these videos for a while. I really appreciate the wonderful technique and the fact that you've uploaded these videos. They've helped me a lot and inspired me a lot! I'm humbly curious to know why there are no kihaps during the performance of these forms. I'm curious because I was trained to kihap on certain movements during the forms.
Quinn5 3 years ago
you are learning what kind of ITF? coz some ITF are mixed with WTF like America...so they Kihap...
WTF kihap on certain pattern movements...but original ITF pattern doesnt kihap at all...only the last movements...
kookahjoon 3 years ago
Thank you for your reply. The school I trained under makes no claims to be mixed with WTF. My Grandmaster is Bu Kwang Park, co-founder of Unified Tae Kwon Do. I didn't know that these patterns originally had no kihaps. Thank you!
Quinn5 3 years ago
Historically the patterns were ended with a kihap before the ITF went over to sine wave in the early '80s, then the kihap fell out of favour. Instead the name of the pattern is said at the end of the pattern. This is more likely a choice made by Gen. Choi to distinguish TKD from Shotokan which, lets all face it, is the mother root of TKD regardless of nationalistic posturing to the contrary.
tomatito1981 3 years ago
his movements are all so bouncey and nothing locks out i am just greatful i had a really good instructor that had great tkd roots(his old teacher is the president of kukkiwon)
mws82 3 years ago
So, Juche is one of many TKD forms?
TengriAsura 3 years ago
Yeah there are very much
I have to do the black belt test in februari and i have to know 8 patterns
zaidje 3 years ago
Ès verdad! Tiene reloj... :S. Pero igual es un groso!
Dulzeternurah 3 years ago
Got my 2nd dan today am im gonna learn it now. Best TKD pattern ever.
BardicCircle 3 years ago
XD
I think I'm going to be devious, and learn all the black belt forms at 2nd dan. :P
Congratulations on the belt too. :)
I'm getting mine, I believe, on Dec. 20th.
I'm excited. :P
darken27 3 years ago 2
Good luck and thanks
BardicCircle 3 years ago
i think this is not the best,,but the hardest,,lol
ArYaKoSaSiHa 3 years ago
muy bien me gusto el giro talon hacia atras
sebatkwdo 3 years ago
Enviously excellent over all! It's only pity that he did not finish at the starting point (which I myself have found it difficult). Taekwon
coshigould 3 years ago 2
esta prohibido hacer con relojj jaja
holaadiego 3 years ago
que hace con el reloj puesto =/?
Max1TKD 3 years ago
what dan then can learn this pattern Oo
Xiaodk2 3 years ago